Liberal Theologian Blames Christianity and Conservatism For Oslo Violence
- Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:39pm by
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Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite
Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, a senior fellow at the left-wing Center for American Progress and a board member for Faith in Public Life (a progressive, religious organization), believes that Christianity — and right-leaning political beliefs — are responsible for the tragic Oslo rampage.
In a Washington Post opinion piece entitled, “When Christianity Becomes Lethal,” Thistlethwaite lectures readers about the perils of “extreme Christianity” and the failure of believers to see the connections between their beliefs and associated violence.
Before continuing, it would probably be worth noting that Thistlethwaite is the former president of Chicago Theological Seminary (CTS) and a preacher ordained through the United Church of Christ (UCC). The infamous Rev. Jeremiah Wright has also taught at CTS and is, of course, ordained by UCC as well. You can read a piece in which Thistlethwaite defends Rev. Wright’s preaching style here, but providing even more of a backdrop to frame her views beyond this probably isn’t needed. Let’s get back to her controversial take on Christianity‘s involvement in the world’s latest terroristic tragedy.
In her lede, Thistlethwaite plays up the notion that the Norwegian terorist Anders Behring Breivik is a Christian. In fact, her entire piece hinges on this notion. She writes, “He has been described by police there as a ‘Christian fundamentalist.’” After attempting to firmly convince readers that Breivik was, indeed, a follow of Jesus, she explains:
Christians should not turn away from this information, but try to come to terms with the temptations to violence in the theologies of right-wing Christianity.
Breivik’s chosen targets were political in nature, emblematic of his hatred of “multiculturalism” and “left-wing political ideology.” This does not mean that the Christian element in his ultra-nationalist views is irrelevant. The religious and political views in right-wing ideologies are mutually reinforcing, and ignoring or dismissing the role played by certain kinds of Christian theology in such extremism is distorting.
She goes on to explain that Christians are all-too-reluctant to see the connections between their faith and extreme violence. Rather than delving into these issues, Thistlethwaite says that Christians often dismiss horrific violence that is perpetuated by other believers as “madness.” Christians should be more willing, in her opinion, to accept the inherent violence and then deal with its impact and roots.
It doesn‘t take long for Thistlethwaite’s true intentions to emerge. She isn’t simply saying that Christianity is to blame. She is taking the opportunity to attach conservative values to this particular maniac’s actions, blaming both his faith and political affiliation for his violent behavior:
…I believe that certain theological constructions of Christianity “tempt” individuals and groups to violence; combined with right-wing political ideologies, these views can give a divine justification to the use of lethal force…
When I consider the theological perspectives that “tempt” some Christians to justify hatred and even violence against others, such as, in this case in Norway, the following perspectives seem especially prevalent: 1) making supremacist claims that Christianity is the “only” truth; 2) holding the related view that other religions are not merely wrong, but “evil” and “of the devil”; 3) being highly selective in the use of biblical literalism, for example ignoring the justice claims of the prophets and using biblical texts that seem to justify violence…
Thistlethwaite goes on even further to list her reasoning. Yet, if these elements are universal, one wonders why it is virtually impossible for individuals to list a multitude of radical Christian murderers who have acted similarly? If these values are so widespread in Christianity, where are all of the other Breiviks? This is not to say that people who call themselves Christian are blameless and have never committed violence. Rather, it is intended to disprove the author‘s use of an anecdotal example to apply universalities that simply don’t exist.
The way in which this article is written appears to indicate that this is a widespread problem — and that those who embrace conservative values, while espousing Christianity, are at a high risk of either exploding or imploding. This, based on both anecdotal and concrete evidence simply doesn’t stand as meritorious. Thistlethwaite choses to conclude her piece with the following:
It is absolutely critical that Christians not turn away from the Christian theological elements in such religiously inspired terrorism. We must acknowledge these elements in Christianity and forthrightly reject these extremist interpretations of our religion. How can we ask Muslims to do the same with Islam, if we won’t confront extremists distorting Christianity?
Denny Burk, a Bible professor at Boyce College and a blogger, differentiates between “cultural” and “religious” Christianity, debunking the notion that Breivik is the latter (Thistlethwaite’s theories are built on the premise that he is, indeed, a religious Christian):
Contrary to early reports, Anders Behring Breivik is not a Christian. In fact in his 1,518 page manifesto, the perpetrator of the atrocities in Norway has specifically disavowed any real commitment to Christ. In his own words:
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian (p. 1307).
Fox News‘ Bill O’Reilly also took issue with the Christian label that has been applied to the mass murder. Below, watch him discuss the controversy on his show on Monday night:
It’s surprising that Thistlethwaite, a professor who is purportedly an expert in religious matters, would distort information so freely. Perhaps she failed to read Breivik’s own words, which seem to disprove her perplex theories on Christianity’s ability, when applied through political lenses she dislikes, to incite violence. What do you think — did Christianity play a role in Breivik’s actions? Take our poll:
(h/t Newsbusters)
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Comments (505)
cemerius
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:55pmYeah yeah yeah continue to attack the “safe” religions and leave the ones alone that will cut your head off for mocking them!!! These people have caused Oslo not the Christains…..pious idiot academics!!!!
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:58pmI knew the left would spin it like that… so typical and morons will believe Christianity is the core of the World’s problems.
Report Post »Natures_God
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:13pmChristianity had nothing to do with this.
Report Post »This was caused by Zions pushing for multiculturalism.
Google: Barbara Spectre
And watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5dmG5ht60A
Blackhawk1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:13pmA progressive, religious organization? I didn’t know that something like that existed! It must have been formed after Obama’s imaculation. Do they worship the Messiah Obama?
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:18pmWhat took so long for this highly intellectual, well thought out, completely bogus theory to find its way to the world media?
Report Post »Any moment now BHO and his minions will be hooking on to this bizarre chatter and suggesting it has validity!
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:19pmThere is no proof that this person even thought of himself as a Christian. For sure he wasn’t a practicing Christian. No one that belives in the teachings of Christ would behave in a manner such as this. It is one thing to defend yourself, even that is not approved by the more comitted Christians, but to commit wanton unrepentaent murder is definately not Christian behavior. On the othe hand these so-called academics from the Center for Amaerican Progress and the UCC are definately biased and agenda driven. Not withstanding the name they choose to hide behind, their agenda is nothing less than the destruction of Christian values and the changing of America to one of their vision, a vision that is decidedly skewed….Just sayin’
Report Post »They SMEAR what they FEAR
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:22pmThere’s more worth on the toilet paper I use to wipe myself than what comes out of her mouth.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:24pmLooking at this psycho’s manifesto, we know this accusation to be false. However collective blame is a liberal disorder.
Guns do not kill people, forks do not make people fat, mirrors do not make people ugly, conservatism does not make people go on shooting rampages. Oh and candy made your child hyper – not ADHD.
That is all.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:35pmI hear Jason Voorhees was a christian conservative.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:42pm@libertarian “collective blame is a liberal disorder.” Guess that makes you a liberal…
Report Post »Czar Casm
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:51pmI’m going to go out on a limb here and blame the Oslo violence on Anders Behring Breivik. I know it sounds crazy.
Report Post »PatrioticAmericanDad
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:59pmCEMERUS:
Exactly! Simple explanations for the simple minded!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:07pmThe best commentary I have seen on this subject was Bill O’Reilly last night. That was the best I‘ve felt about O’Reilly in a long time!! He was right on the money and pulled no punches when hammering the NY Post’s front page dishonest assault on Christianity over this shooting.
As O’Reilly pointed out, the shooter did not attend any church, or speak of anything to do with Christianity. Not to mention that what he did, does not follow any of the teachings or commandments of the Jesus Christ or the Bible.
So did this so called “theologian” give any thought about all that Muslims have done around the world to evoke such reactions from an unstable person like the shooter?….NO!
What the shooter did is monsterous!……INSANE!!….. But I understand why he did it and to some degree I agree with him about the Muslim problem in the world and muticulturalism. But what he did was worse than just wrong……..It was evil!!…And as a Christian, I don’t agree with mass murder and I am apauled by what he did!!
This woman is just another cheap progressive shill who sees Christianity and conservatives as road blocks to their agenda of secularizing America and the world!…..Shame on her!!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:13pmOh ya!….I‘m fed up with people like this refering to Timothy McVeigh as a ’Christian terrorist’ too!!
Report Post »How can these lies continue to be told in the media?
godlovinmom
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:13pmI am hearing this all over libral news…just like the arizona shooting …I call myself a believer, even though I strive to be christlike…christians today are kind of wierd…but this dude was definetly no christian.
Report Post »chazman
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:16pm… and I blame this dog ugly carpet muncher for the abject stupidity of Liberal Marxism! And I also blame her for muslim morons who fly airplanes into large buildings! And I blame her for Obama and how stupid he is! Gee, I could go on and on …
Report Post »Mrtoohappy
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:26pmIf he wasn‘t white they wouldn’t be saying it.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:29pmWhere is her complaints about the be-headings by Muslims or the bombing of civilians? Here is an example of Muslims loving Muslims:: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd3_1310954791
Report Post »We got the message the Communists are allied with Radical Islam to destroy both America and Europe. They will lie in bed with anyone to further their New World Order.
rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:03pmFinally what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.And their IS a multitude of cultural christian murderers-they sign up to join the US military to go drop bombs on men women and children in iraq,afghanistan pakistan aand yemen or to go torture them in concentration camps outside of any laws!Of course these are christians in name only[cultural christians] because they are the antithesis of a=any thing remotely christ like in their genocidal hatred of muslims and in their willingness to murder and torture them [for their real religion which of course is americanism].Finally though someone articulates the connection between rabid professed fundamentalist christianity and political anti muslim genocidal hatred.and this guy though not a fundamentalist christian is a cultural christian-which amounts to the same thing practically speaking vis a vis a genocidal hatred of musims and a staunch pro zionist and anti-socialist secular european style democracy[a tea party equivelent ,he is].
Report Post »beket
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:04pmAs expected, the Christophobes are out in force.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:33pmNatures_God:
“Zions” pushing for multiculturalism?
Hard to see how this can be so!
Hasn’t the general thrust of Zionism been that all Jews and only Jews should inhabit a Jewish state to be built in Palestine?
Fulfillment of this goal would surely solve Europe’s perennial “Jewish question.”
I note that the Norway bomber/shooter in his warped way was “standing by Israel,” and also hated multiculturalism, which he felt was ruining his country.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:22pmUh, except one problem here….You can’t be a MURDERER and a CHRISTIAN. The guy was out of control, consumed with hatred. HE needed to learn to love the MUSLIMS and hate ISLAM. THEN he needed to work to show the Muslims there was a much better belief available for them..if he REALLY wanted to make a difference.
IF anyone aside from this EVIL man is to blame…it’s the bloody, gutless, liberal P C attitudes which have 0 to do with CHRISTIANITY. YOU help no one when you don’t have rules/goals/levels of behavior required to be accepted into society. Just like YOU HELP NO ONE when you just feed them but don’t allow them to learn to feed themselves. YOU may get enslaved people who will vote the way you want them to vote (or starve them) …but you won’t get productive human beings.
This is why GOD does not FORCE us to believe in and follow Him.
Report Post »discardofevil
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:57pmThese liberals and this witch is unbelievable! Really ? Yea Christians are really violent?
Report Post »This broad needs to pull her headnout of her ass before I will ever listen to whatever she has to say again. What a classy lady!
Natures_God
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:06pm@ Lloyd Drako
Have you ever noticed that there is NO push for multiculturalism in Israel but you do see jewish groups all around the world pushing for multiculturalism everywhere else.
Just look at the video I posted at the top.
Answer this for me please…….please.
How many troops did Israel send to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan to help fight along side American forces?
How much money did Israel send to the USA to help fund these military actions?
How many aircraft did Israel send to Libya to help with the “kinetic military action” there?
How much money did Israel send to the USA to help fund that military action?
How much aid and support did Israel send to the USA to help the tornado and flood victims in the Mid-West?
Now just look at the ‘US Military Wall’ we are building around Israel to protect that country.
Report Post »The funny part about all of it is that people like you think Israel is your ally when in fact they are playing you.
boomboom
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:12pmShe’s a Witch………………..Can we burn her?
Report Post »“How do you know she is a witch?”
“She looks like one!”
“She’s got a wart.”
AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:35pmOh, LOOK! – It’s and embalmed GLORIA STEINEM!
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:49pmRev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite “.believes that Christianity — and right-leaning political beliefs — are responsible for the tragic Oslo rampage.” Oh sure, just like she’s responsible for being so ugly.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:52pmJust look at her eyes. The same as Reid and Pelosi. There is something about liberal eyes that aint right
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:06pm@ ROSE_ELLEN…………..To not allow muslims to claim terrorists are not true muslims exposes your hatred and dehumanization of not just terrorists but of islam and all muslims.that is your agenda[the foxs'media campaign and all you fundamentalist right wing christians as well[tea partyers and republicans [aside from ron paul who sees through the scam].Kudos for this christian for finally saying it.And Jeramiah Wright is a great american !
—————————————————— Rosie please stop with the bloviating …..
Jeremiah Wright is a great american racist and like you he really seems to love the country. You seem to go on and on about how wonderful the muslims are. While most muslims are not terrorists most terrorists are muslims. You use the term cultural christians, I would just use Christendom. It’s all false teaching including your own Catholic church. “Babylon the Great” the empire of false religion
I think very few religions follow what the bible really teaches. It’s more like the doctrines and traditions of men.
Colossians 2: 8 Look out : perhaps there my be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men,
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:42pmRose-Ellen I am assuming you live in the US. Can you please migrate to “Pah-ki-Sthan”
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:17pm@Rose-Ellen
I expect the Bible Thumpers to not know their own history, but good grief, REALLY? You do know that within even the first three hundred years of the Church, we had devout Christians serving in the Roman military who were then martyred for their profession of faith in Christ. I seriously don‘t think that they’re all rotting in Hell because they weren’t proto hippy flower children.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:32pmHow about just blaming the guy(s) that did the act,,,they’re to blame. Who knows why, but they did it.
This so called theologian, Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, is also a nutjob. She’s the type to cast blame on everyone but the guilty. I hold no stock in her stupid revelations.
Report Post »Three Ducks in a Human Costume
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:54pmSo when a guy who openly called himself a “Conservative Christian” goes on a shooting spree, by heavens no, he isn’t a TRUE Christian.
Astounding logic right there. Nice to see “Liberal” being equated to that of a smear word.
Report Post »James Capps
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:54pmThe UCC is extreme left wing. I think most of our problems have come from the Left, not Christians,and not people who also identify themselves with the Tea Party Movement. So far It’s the left wing thugs beating up black men who come out to the Tea Party and who disrupt economic meetings with violence.
Report Post »goku17
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:53amhow is it spin that they mention that Christian Fundamentalism/radicalism motivated this crime against humanity? All of you are quick to mention the role of Islam in motivating these kinds of crime but you can’t accept such designation when a Christian does it? How hypocritical can you get? I‘m an atheist so I don’t believe in such things but I recognize that neither Christianity nor Islam as a whole calls for the murder of non believers. And, of course, people will respond to me saying that Islam calls for the killing of all infidels. But Mohammed didn’t consider Christians or Jews as infidels. Only atheists like myself. Of course I disagree with that but that’s no different that God commanding Joshua to slaughter all of the inhabitants of Jericho. All women, children, old people etc are to be killed according to god (according to the writer of Joshua). So why don’t you Christians recognize that you share some blame, especially if you are a follower of Pam Geller.
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:37amShe smell like a Hippie!!! Lets hope she doesn’t go nude.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:44am@Exrepublisheep
Ohhh zing… What is that supposed to mean? Libertarianism is not liberalism. They are spelled differently and mean different things. Libertarianism today is Jefferson’s classic liberalism of yesterday. Liberals don’t believe in economic freedom, libertarians do.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:45amIf she EVER read the Bible she would know that Christianity FORBIDS this kind of behavior while Islam COMMANDS IT!
Report Post »The difference is stark but she has her own agenda and will do as the “rev” Jackson and “rev” Wright and use their title, (witch is meaningless to Jesus and his family) to push this kind of madness.
Not every one who says they are Cristian are just as not all Muslims are good Muslims and kill as the Koran commands!
Favored93
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:53amAs always ROSE you statements are not based on ANY facts. You are once again displaying your ignorance and stupidity.
Report Post »BTW ROSE did you see the report that Islam OPENLY approves of “marrying” girls at ANY age but that sex with them before 6 should not be done unless the GIRL can bear the weight of her “husband”?
So what do you think of the “peaceful” poor Muslims now you tard?!
gotta light
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:35amlooking at her from behind i bet you see the puppet master hand going up her behind to operate the puppet.
hey bud gotta light?
Report Post »TotallyBelievableGuy
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:45am>man says he’s fighting a crusade for jesus and kills 91 people in the process
>to avoid blame, conservatives throw reality out the window and say not only is he not christian, but blame muslims.
Seriously, how out of touch with reality ARE you people?
Accept that he is christian, and say that violence is not the answer. Reject Breivik’s INSANE, PARANOID doctrines!
But you won’t, because you actually agree with this madman.
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:33amZionist Media trying to destroy Christianity using their God Saul Alinsky! If you even mention anything Jewish your anti semitic! Buy Christian!
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 5:33amHard to find evidence of the Spirit’s influence in this woman. Whatever knowledge she had has been so obviously taken away.
Report Post »Breivik claims some version of Christianity and some version of European-style right wing nationalism (= protectionism, especially against Muslim influence) and what is the result? Conservatives and Christians UNIVERSALLY condemn his actions, disassociate themselves from his beliefs, educate people on the true nature of conservatism and Christianity.
Hijackers from the Middle East fly planes into the twin towers claiming Allah made them do it and what is the result? Some Muslims dance in the streets, Bin-Laden becomes a hero in Pakistan, and 1/3 of Muslims living in Britain think killing in the name of Allah is justified.
Of course, to be fair, there WERE also Muslims who condemned the 9-11 attackers, disassociated themselves from the beliefs that produce terrorism, and tried to educate people on their idea of the truly peaceful nature of Islam. But there ARE enough who didn’t to warrant distrust of the entire belief system.
Dr. Thistlethwaite, you are a highly educated idiot. It’s not even close.
jkendal
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:03amThe hardcore leftists have become completely unhinged!
Yet again!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:14ammy one line comment after this happened is now valid.
Report Post »48
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 8:34amAAH nothing like a good opportunity for the liberals.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:16amThis lady is preaching for the other side. Christians are about Love, Joy and Peace!!! My God is Love not hate.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:48amSo this Liberal “theologian” says Christianity and right wing politics made this man do this horrible act when there are no mentions in any Christian bible that call for killing muslims or your precieved enemies. And I have never heard any right wing politician call for killing children.
And this same liberal “theologian” doesn’t say a word about the people killed everyday by Islambecause the KORAN says to their ISLAMIC CLERICS tell them to and their POLITICAL LEADERS inspire them to that makes sense….not.
Never in my life have a seen people so intent on demonsizing a religion that practices peace(christianity) and sanctifying a Religion the practices and preaches hate.
And all for what political gain or the destruction of good.
compatriotshonor
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:21amGlenn beck has said that the far reaching left will attack conservative christians long ago. Gee, you think that maybe he was right all along.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:02pmGo Cemerius! And can you be a liberal theologian Christian? Hey you can’t even be a freaking democrat and a Christian – so if any of you attend this crazy womans church – I’d get the heck on up out of there.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:03pmBlackhawk 1 google Christianity – there are people that truly believe they are Christians – but don’t believe in God – now how can you do that? People really are on the stupid pill. lol
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:06pmBigJayin PA – love your comment also! :)
The man worshipped Darwin – know didn’t that mean come out with the “Theory of Evolution” and hm, let me think Evolution isn’t something we as Christians believe- yeah so like we would claim the man. Also remember, and the media has been pushing this – Norway is one of Europes most “liberal” countries – and they hated Israel also – right, I don’t think these “liberals” are going to believe in God and I have known people from Sweden that are atheist – so chances are blondie was one also. He also worshipped Obama by the way – just like all the nuts that have committed crimes here in the US – Loughner, the man who flew his plane into the IRS building in Texas, and the “big teddy bear” that shot people in the townhall meeting in FL I believe.
Report Post »mrnils
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:07pmThis line ! We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian (p. 1307). Is Not True ! . This is why everyone and his brother thinks they are Christian. A true belief in Jesus Christ as your savior, Messiah, King, and Maker is absolutely essential to be a Christian. Don’t Be Fooled ! Jesus is a loving God, but also a very just God that is jealous and Just. He does get angry at sin. Don’t forget he turned over the tables in the Temple.
Report Post »gramma dee
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:22pmOK….. she claims to have NO personal relationship with Jesus Christ or God, and yet still considers herself a “cultural Christian”????
Her moronic theories carry as much weight as her NO BELIEF IN JESUS Christianity. roflmao
Report Post »Susan Harkins
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:29pm“Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, a senior fellow at the left-wing Center for American Progress and a board member for Faith in Public Life (a progressive, religious organization), believes that…
OK, TIMEOUT, right here!
When you get this far into, who this ‘ThistleDitch’ is, who cares about reading what she ‘believes’? She is undoubtidly a ******* fanatic activist. Let’s just move on.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 2:04pmCan the world not see this thing is driven by Satan? Not only is he working against the true Chrisitan religion through the false teachings of islam…. he’s now entered “into” so called theologians teaching everything anitbiblical.
Report Post »jasdoe2u2
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:14pmI agree….this also is only a ploy to make the strong hold of Christians weaken. They (the governments) know that they can’t succeed in their quests to bring this world to a ONE WORLD ORDER if the Christians still have a voice…by destroying the faith, denying Jesus, and making us seem insane, or worse yet…violent…they will build a strong resistance within this world on Believers creating a violence, and a hunting–hushing of the Christians and the Jews. It is happening all over the world…the silencing…they want that right here in America….once they feel this happens….they can fulfill their plans of the Reich. We as the “Bride of Christ” should be rejoicing and watching, and know… that these are the signs in which Jesus is drawing near. I get frustrated and upset too….but once I pray…and the Lord fills me with peace he reminds me daily…..”And when these things come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws near”. We as caring people…instead of worrying, being angry and disgusted, being believers in Christ…knowing these days were coming….need to LOOK UP! Study the WORD of God, the LOVE of God, and his complete forgiveness of our Sins. For we are NOT of this world. For if ones gives time for anger…then less time is given in love. We are to be examples to the world like Jesus, not a log that just stokes a fire, creates smoke that blinds! We are acting angrily..exactly what they want..Taking our eyes off of the Lo
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:16pmNatures_God:
Yes, I watched the video and I see what you mean. Thought-provoking.
Israelis and in general Jews worldwide, given what happened to their people in the 20th century in Europe, would naturally like Europeans especially to lighten up on the Jew-hating.
The leftists among them, such as Barbara Spectre, see no reason not to extend toleration to Muslims as well, and they call it “multiculturalism.” They abhor all forms of territorial nationalism. and wish for a mash of cultures from the Atlantic to the Urals, and beyond, under some EU-UN consortium. I suspect they believe that the perennial “Jewish question” will never go away until all nationalisms go away.
Many of the rightists among them, on the other hand, support programs of national purification such as Breivik’s, which (since most of them are polite enough to rule Hitler’s solution out) must necessarily require Jews either to assimilate fully or to emigrate. Where else but to Israel?
I have a better solution: let them come to the United States. All Israeli Jews should be welcomed as well, if and when Israel falls to military assault, uprising or sheer demographic weight. We’re much better at digesting minorities, as our whole history shows. Muslims should be welcomed here as well, provided they learn English, follow our laws and get down to business making money.
We’ve forgotten what American exceptionalism has really been: the willingness and the ability to take anybody and turn hi
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 12:34pmquotes from his manifesto/his own words(¶phrasing from article,link below)..-”while McVeigh rejected God altogether, Breivik writes in his manifesto that he is not religious, has doubts about God’s existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe’s “Christian culture” as well as his own pagan Nordic culture”…-Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin”As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic”…-Likewise, media reports frequently characterized McVeigh as a “Christian,” though he adamantly denied any religious beliefs or convictions – placing his faith in science….-”‘Logic’ and rationalist thought (a certain degree of national Darwinism) should be the fundament [sic] of our societies. “I went from moderately agnostic to moderately religious.”…-”‘Logic’ and rationalist thought (a certain degree of national Darwinism) should be the fundament [sic] of our societies.”..-Breivik also points out that his association with Christian cultural values is one of political expedience rather than religious commitment or faith..-”I‘m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person, as that would be a lie,”.DOES THAT MAKE IT CLEAR<SPREAD THIS LINK from @auda
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 1:07pmlet me sum up for you libs/haters-1-Christian defined by ACTIONS..“you will know them by their fruit”.”why do you call me LORD,LORD,&do not do what I say”..”Faith w/o works is DEAD”-2Christians being silenced globally,Indonesia churches burned by Muslims,China gov’t arrest WHOLE churches for “illegal church activity”-Iran/Egypt Christians mugged/killed by Muslims,&Norway/ Sweden top5 secular countries w/Russia/China,so Christianity there much more liberal than U.S,&abortion rate higher than birth rate(secular society destined for extinction,hows Darwin workin out 4ya there)-3HE WAS NOT CHRISTIAN,BY HIS ACTIONS as Bible states,I can call myself purple,but not true,& even if you believed his words,you can’t,HIS FACEBOOK page was changed to Christian/RightWing by someone other than him,so Norway gov’t/media WANT him to appear thus-4Muslim defined by action,they prove of Islam by killing themslelves along w/innocent ppl on trains/planes/cafes/Spain/London/NY,you name it Muslim blew himself up there,lets not forget Hassan JOINING U.S.ARMY&KILLING HIS COLLEAGUES SHOUTING ALLAH AKBAR@Ft.Hood Nidal Hassan(&underwear bomber etc,could go all day).-5@Rose,stop w/the U.S.servicemen are all Christian murderers,we only went there cuz Muslims flew plane into building,&corp‘s don’t instruct religion,where Madrassa’s teach/raise killing infidels&armies together blend dogma.6 liberal Jews who preach multi-culti(cult) ARE NOT same as Zionists-,who’s the stereotyping anti-semite?
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:55pmHe doesn‘t really claim to be a Christian and his point isn’t so much pro-Christian. His issue is with his countries’ slow creep to Sharia law. His actions are those of an unhinged individual. Does the left indentify with Ted Kaczynski because he was against corporations?? Same thing here.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:19pmJust as you can ask what provoked him you should ask what provoked 9-11.but you in america and throughout your media have prohibited that question from being discussed. Typical hypocritical dishonorable americans again posing as rational and balanced when in reality you are genocidal and hateful anti-semites[against muslims this time cause they gave you a taste of your own medicine and upset your ability to forever act with impunity in the world].Typical to allow christians to say he‘s not a christian even as he is a self proclaimed cultural christian crusader who says he’s part of a movement with other cells,but not to allow muslims to disavow alqquada or other terrorists and claim they’re not true muslims because of their actions.To not allow muslims to claim terrorists are not true muslims exposes your hatred and dehumanization of not just terrorists but of islam and all muslims.that is your agenda[the foxs'media campaign and all you fundamentalist right wing christians as well[tea partyers and republicans [aside from ron paul who sees through the scam].Kudos for this christian for finally saying it.And Jeramiah Wright is a great american !
Report Post »Audacity of The Infidel
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:37pmTerrorist proclaimed himself ‘Darwinian,‘ not ’Christian’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=325765
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:56pm@rose-ellen
Report Post »Not once did I mention Muslims. You inferred and assumed. But okay figures are about 3 billion muslims in the world of which (by muslim polling) 10% believe in Jihad and terrrorism to meet that goal. That make the number about 300 million or roughly the equivalent of the entire USA (the greatest nation on earth where we do not kill or advocate killing of religions or ethnicity not our own). I have yet to see an Islamic leader castigate the actions of Islamic terrorists and you yourself do not seem too. Yet all posts related to this topic uniformly condemn the actions of this man. You go on to denigrate the sacrifices of our soldiers. Yes there is collateral damage in Iraq and Afghanistan but not by the intent of the US, this is a direct result of Al-Qaeda or Taliban harboring and shooting from buildings in which THEIR women and children are present. I am sorry this happens and more sorry that their own people put them in this jeopardy. I’m sure the 9/11 martyrs were also looking to avoid collateral damage. In fact the only reason that they were successful is that the US is tolerant of others. That was our mistake let us hope that we do not make it again. Thank you so much for demonstrating your incredible adherence to dogma. You might consider signing off with Allah Akbar.
DetritusScreener
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:34pm@Rose-Ellen
You are percisely the reason why Anders Breivik became a monster. I really wish you had been there to stop him.
Sincerely,
Report Post »Disabled Vet
wesleyapril
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:09pmI saw Rose Ellens post and all I saw was blah blah blah blah blah blah – Imperalist Americans suck blah blah blah blah blah blah. :)
Report Post »gramma dee
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:42pmNo such thing as a “cultural Christian.”
Ya gotta believe in Jesus CHRIST (as in CHRISTian) to be a Christian. This sh*t for brains theologian admits she has absolutely NO relationship with Jesus or God.
And rosie, you need some sleep as your brain is quite mushy.
Report Post »nukethewhales
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:54pmRev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite looks like the north end of a south-bound horse. Her theo-political agenda is about as Christian as her credentials imply. Liberal politics = progressivism = communism = murder of the middle class and intellectuals, and slavery for all others. What is Christian about this? Who is Joan Galt?
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:21pmNUKETHEWHALES, Totally agree with your comment the only thing I would change is substituting jackass for horse.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 11:55amWhen you invade with shock and awe a country it is not collatteral damage it is murder.your standard american narrative is false and self serving. The way you war is to drop bombs on homes,villages and whole cities!.We messed with them first via colonialism, and post colonial proxy dictators who through torture and murder kept their population from riisong up against these american backed dictators[all leftists ansd fundamentalists-the only open space available under our dictators was the mosque hence religion became their only outlet against colonial and post colonial dictatorship[american backed].We invaded them after alquada brought us to the knowledge for the first time that there were consequences for US for our policies toward Them.They are freedom fighters and could care less that you’re not muslim.They are independence fighters for their homelands as osama who supported the arab spring uprisings reveals.your narrative of them wanting to take over the west and impose islam is genocidal anti-muslim propaganda.if they choose a pan arab caliphate in their indigenous homelands after they topple these western backed regimes,that is their right and their business.and prior to western colonialism the 3 faiths lived there in harmony[a christian and a jew are not considered infidels because they believe in one God[Allah is the arabic word for God].One day there should be trials for you american terrorists[military].You have that one coming too like you had blowback on 9-11!
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 1:49pm@rose ellen
“Shock and Awe” is nothing compared to a good old fashion Rolling Thunder Arc Light carpet bombing mission. Imagine B-52′s dropping thousands of dumb bombs. Don’t care who is underneath.
Now the US Military is very conscious of minimizing non-combatant deaths and injuries.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:18pmi don’t think that so far christianity was the driving force in breiviks rampage, but was a christian and he certainatly was a right winger, and admirer of pam geller. yes democrats and liberals can be and ARE chreitians.
Report Post »enemy of the statist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:54pmI know who she is. She abuses religion (Christianity) to push her Chicago-born political and social agenda.
Report Post »RIGHTHOOK
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:25pmI suspect she and Rev. Jeremiah Wright are seeing one another on the sly……
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:51pmNo one abuses christianity more then you american terrorists signing up to go murder men women and children in muslim lands.no one abuses christianity more then right wing tea partyers dehumanizing and demonizing a billion people with lies, slander ,insults and bullying taunts hiding behind your professed belief in Jesus Christ to rationalize and justify your hatred. You take His name in vain everytime you speak and you bear false witness against your neighbor every chance you get , in the hope as this terrorist apparently had to incite a civil war or a war with a billion people to eradicate,convert or murder them all in the name of the Lord! It back fired the other day and that should be a wake up call to examine your conscience and stop using Christ as a sledge hammer against your neighbor!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:53pmRose-Ellen, you need a gag in your burka.
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:55pm@Rose-Ellen
I don’t believe in that entire bible thumping that you keep blabbering about. I do believe that if someone attacks me, my family or my country that I am going to kick their ass and even kill them if I need to. Its not all that complicated and I won’t apologize for it. I don‘t even care what religion they are because I’m not a bigot like you. I will kill all my enemies without discriminating. You see, if you don’t defend yourself, your family and your property, you cease to exist. That is not an option for most Americans I know. That should clear up for you how most Americans think.
Report Post »Red-Blooded American Disabled Vet Patriot
FactOrFiction
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 4:23amShe should move to North Korea, the communist paradise. In fact, ALL liberals should move there. It might just give them a dose of reality. Liberals are quick to jump on Christianity at every chance, but how do our “extremists” compare to Mr.Kim? What about Mao? Hitler? Stalin? That’s not even including the Middle-East’s death toll. Between athiesm and Islam, they are the two biggest killers of all time.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:54pmAny religious doctrine can be used to “justify” horrendous actions. The person’s mind just has to be warped enough. There’s no doubt this guy was crazy, but you can’t pin it on his religion. If Christianity hadn’t influenced him, something else would have (or did, such as his racism, hatred of Muslims, etc).
I think it‘s enough to accept that people will do crazy things and justify it however they want but in the end it’s the individual, not their justification, that is to blame.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:12pmLocked: there’s on one problem with your theory. His manifesto clearly states he is not Christian, so Christianity had nothing to do with his actions.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:14pmLocked: Did you read the article? This excerpt says “Contrary to early reports, Anders Behring Breivik is not a Christian. In fact in his 1,518 page manifesto, the perpetrator of the atrocities in Norway has specifically disavowed any real commitment to Christ.”
Report Post »Locked
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 9:07am@Chigger
“His manifesto clearly states he is not Christian, so Christianity had nothing to do with his actions.”
Except you’re 100% wrong. He says he doesn’t have a personal relationship with Christ (which is most commonly a Baptist view, I’ve found), but that his efforts are to support Christendom in Europe. He states he is a Christian, completely.
“At the age of 15 I chose to be baptized and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I consider myself to be 100% Christian.” Page 1403 of his manifesto.
We can go into the No True Scotsman idea of what makes a Christian, but that he considered himself one, and felt his actions were for the establishment of Christendom in Europe, is pretty obvious. Doesn’t make him any less nuts, which was my point.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:53pmYou know, for the first time I think I can agree with a left wing nut job. For 700 years Muslims have been torturing, raping, enslaving, robbing and murdering Christians across Europe and now around the world. I find it amazing that people can’t see how this might cause some to loose their minds and fight fire with fire. I understand these kids were not perhaps Muslim, but they were being groomed to support the overthrow of Norway. I don’t condone murder on either side of this struggle, but I can see where many think their country is in danger and it can make them crazy.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:22pmSo in your history book Christians didn’t have any blood on their hands any time in the past?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:27pmThat’s how osama thought and his followers and those who resist israeli occupation and those who resist american invasions.When violence is done by one of your own even that word terrorism is hard to be found and virtually disappears from the narrative.the rational man comes to the fore- looking for reasons and explanations; That this is not done when muslims commit violent acts exposes your irrational genocidal hatred of muslims [where no human consideration is given to their acts of violence].Your problem is not violence but rabid anti-semitism[against muslims this time].
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:52pmOxymoron: progressive, religious organization
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:57pmTo the writer:
I love how you Soros lefties spout off BS without facts:
Fact: More Christians have been KILLED in the last century than the previous 19 centuries combined.
Fact: Muslims still trade slaves, stone gays, women and children. They kill anyone that Worships different than they do. Deny women’s rights….
Fact:BIG Government has KILLED over 250,000,000 innocent men, women and children in less than 100 years.
Fact: So called “christians” have killed 5 people in the last 100 years in what you elude to as “Christian abortion bombings”.
Fact: Christians give more than all other groups combined… yes, those evil Christians.
Clearly Christians ain’t the problem that you make them out to be. Your problem is Christians telling the TRUTH and that hurts your agenda!
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:15pmThank you @Cessna!
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:17pmModel: Thats about the stupidest bunch of rhetoric I’ve heard all day. How can you be so stupid?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:39pmChristian have killed or displaced millions in iraq and afghanistan since our mass murdering invasion there.These americans kill as cultural christians in the name of american nationalism-.So christians are indeed mass murderers and always have been [in viet nam and before murdering civilians in the homes,carpet bombing of villages and whole populated cites] .you lying hypocrites.[of course there is nothing Christian about you whether cultural or even fundamentalist christians.right now cultural christianity is a shell for anti muslim genocidal hatred and the norweggian tapped into it and brought it into the open[albeit laterally -it seaped where you genocidisl mulim anti-semites never intended it to seap-out into your own-your vulnerable innocent children!Such the workings of evil-you play with fire[the evil anti muslim genocidal media propaganda] and it doesn’t work as you intended it toThe devil gives you what you want[your media platform to spread the hate] but lo and behold something unexpected happened].Come back to Christ and get away from you anti-semitism directed ar a billion people.
Report Post »So
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:52pmWhat does Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite have to say about jihad? What about that construct?
The guy is a lunatic.
You can’t make a “construct” of a whole religion from the actions of one lone guy.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:51pm“I believe that certain theological constructions of Christianity “tempt” individuals and groups to violence; combined with right-wing political ideologies, these views can give a divine justification to the use of lethal force…”
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Yeah, that is why SO MANY Christans are out there committing lethal crimes. Dumba$$
Vicodumb
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:51pmRight on time with the political finger pointing. Sooooo predictable from the left. The “right wing” label bestowed on the moron who committed these heinous acts is dubious at best.
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:56pmUbfortunately this jerk just helps Obama’s treasonous ways.
Report Post »Obama and his administration’s warnings of domestic terrorism by white men with a military background is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you stick a trained tiger in a cage, call it names, attack it’s livelihood and poke it with sticks, is it going to get pissed off. Obama and his administration are purposefully aggravating a specific class of people to create a perceived enemy. They are being agitators for their specific cause.
AllAmericanG
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:50pmOf COURSE they are blaming Christianity for the acts of a mad man. This guy has given them exactly what they have wanted for ages – someone to point to to say – “Dangerous, Violent, Radical Christian”. I‘m surprised Sheila Jackson Lee hasn’t called a press conference yet to say “told ya so”.
Much like the guy in AZ, this is a crazy person motivated by his own insanity nothing more. He doesn’t even make sense. Not true Christian believes in whole sale slaughter as a means of marketing their manifesto. In fact how many Christians have a “manifesto”? That’s something usually reserved for CRAZY megalomaniacs.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:20pmThe article clearly states he did not consider himself a Christian. Christianity had nothing to do with this.
Report Post »From the article: “Contrary to early reports, Anders Behring Breivik is not a Christian. In fact in his 1,518 page manifesto, the perpetrator of the atrocities in Norway has specifically disavowed any real commitment to Christ.”
AllAmericanG
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:57pmI am aware… but since when does the truth matter to the left?
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:49pm“Who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing”
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/tea-party-group-offers-summer-camp/1175119
Report Post »SnapTie
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:58pmThere is no reason to view Breivik as any kind of Christian, independently of what the madman may have written on the internet. Similarly why should we consider bin Laden to be a Muslim? Breivik is a terrorist, originating from a Christian cultural background, as bin Laden was a terrorist with an Islamic cultural background, but that is the entire extent of their connections with their respective religions.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:04pmHow are the founding principles “all about politics”?
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:07pm@FoxholeAtheist
Report Post »That’s not about politics, it’s about history and the Constitution. Any kid 8-12 is welcome, not just conservative or liberal kids. Did you not read the article?
UBETHECHANGE
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:20pmTeaching kids economics 101 and the founding fathers principles is not extreme.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:23pmSnaptie: The article clearly states he didn not identify himself as a Christian. He spoke against it!
“Contrary to early reports, Anders Behring Breivik is not a Christian. In fact in his 1,518 page manifesto, the perpetrator of the atrocities in Norway has specifically disavowed any real commitment to Christ.”
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:25pmIt’s a conservative camp with conservative ideologies.
Report Post »So, when it’s a more liberal camp, it‘s spreading ideology but when it’s a conservative camp, it’s all about history. You’re very hypocritical.
eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:25pm@FOXHOLEATHEIST
Your not understanding…. And I think I know why…
When liberals have ‘camps’ or ‘lessons’ they generally only teach ideology or theory, and not history. This is because history proves how terrible progressivism works out…..
Teaching economics and the founding principles is teaching history and fact. Economics is a politically neutral topic, as if you inject politics or ideology it’s no longer economics. And the founding principles are definitely teaching history. Just because the principles are based on conservatism is a problem for liberals, not the kids or what they are learning.
So since you hate everything religious and conservative, you only view it through the propaganda prism your use to learning and teaching through. Which boils down to lies, deciet, and ‘feelings’. So just because your whole world is based on the imaginary, don’t assume the rest of us are usefull idiots such as urself.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:44pm“liberals have ‘camps’ or ‘lessons’ they generally only teach ideology or theory, and not history.”
Eagle, this is an ideological camp aimed at right-wing Xtian fundamentalist indoctrination. This is not a history camp. Well, not real history, anyway. Only a warped opinion of a handful of ignorant evangelicals. Call it what it is; a vacation Bible camp for the historically illiterate.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:52pmAgain with the personal attacks and derogatory statements. That’s one thing you weak-minded people will never understand. The more you insult the more your argument is ignored. You progressives have a lack of self control. You let your rage get the better of you.
How this stuff is evangelical I’m not sure. Can you explain without insulting? I bet a ****** you can’t…..
“We definitely teach the Constitution, especially during Constitution Week,”
Report Post »“Red-white-and-blue confetti will be thrown. But afterward the kids will have to clean up the confetti, learning that with freedom comes responsibility. “
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:52pmIt is a right-wing politically conservative evangelical political camp for the purpose of religious indoctrination aimed at children. The difference between this political camp and the camp in Norway is that the children from this camp are more likely to grow up and bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:55pmEagle, I know you read the entire article, I just don‘t think you posses the reading comprehension skills necessary in understanding either the article or what I’m saying. Let me direct you to a single sentence. It might be easier for you to understand a little at a time rather than an entire article all at once:
“Tampa Liberty is modeled after vacation Bible schools, which use fun, hands-on activities to deliver Christian messages.”
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:00pmSnaptie, so you‘re saying that it’s just a fringe Muslim group and most Muslims are, in fact, good decent people just wanting to live their own lives and not bother anyone else or be bothered?
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:15pm“this is an ideological camp aimed at right-wing Xtian fundamentalist indoctrination. This is not a history camp. Well, not real history, anyway. Only a warped opinion of a handful of ignorant evangelicals. Call it what it is; a vacation Bible camp for the historically illiterate.”
This is not equivalent to:
“Tampa Liberty is modeled after vacation Bible schools, which use fun, hands-on activities to deliver Christian messages.”
“I just don‘t think you posses the reading comprehension skills necessary in understanding either the article or what I’m saying.”
Your partially right, I don’t what your saying, I’ve never understood progresives, and I never will.
And my reading comprehension is fine (again with the insults). I just don’t draw the magic red line connecting a bible based youth camp and indoctrination. By those standards any kind of education is indoctrination….
Your more like Glenn then you let on, drawing causation from coorilation out of sometimes delusional fear….Or atleast thats what you all acuse him of. Some kind of Freudian thing maybe?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:28pmWhen has a Christian ever bombed a planned parenthood, that dude back in the 70′s that bombed the 3 clinics turned out to be some nutcase that had been kicked out of every church he had ever visited because he was crazy, and Christians did what Christians do, they offered him help, when he refused, they showed him the door and said please don’t come back unless you want help.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:42amJustin Carl Moose was 26 when they arrested him in 2010 for providing information to create explosives that would be used to blow up a North Carolina Planned Parenthood clinic.
In 1998 Eric Robert Rudolph is identified when an off-duty police officer is killed and a nurse terribly maimed when a nail-packed, remote-control bomb explodes outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility, the New Woman All Women clinic. Letters to media outlets and officials claim responsibility in the name of the “Army of God,” the same entity that took credit for the bombings of a clinic and a gay bar in the Atlanta area.
Again in 1998, Abortion Doctor Barnett Slepian is assassinated by a sniper James Charles Kopp who flees to Mexico, driven and disguised by friend Jennifer Rock, and goes on to hide out in Ireland and France. Two fellow anti-abortion extremists, Loretta Marra and Dennis Malvasi, make plans to help Kopp secretly return. Kopp, also suspected in the earlier sniper woundings of four physicians in Canada and upstate New York.
In 1999, anti-abortion extremist Clayton Lee Wagner was stopped driving a stolen camper in Illinois and told police he was headed to Seattle to murder an abortion provider. He escaped in February 2001 and, while on the lam, mailed more than 550 hoax anthrax letters to abortion clinics and posted an Internet threat warning abortion clinic workers that “if you work for the murderous abortionist, I’m going to kill you.”
I could go on about Xtian mi
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 6:36pmAnd not a one of those events were sanctioned, organized, praised, or funded by a Church….
Thats the main difference you sophomoric jack ass….
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 12:14pmfoxhole sums up neatly how libs/atheists demagogue & stereotype w/little to no facts,& read half articles/listen (barely,cuz stoned at college) to their professor,almost,& PARROT what they heard cuz it fits their agenda…obviously he didn’t read the whole article,or he lacks logic/common sense(not common at all amongst libs)…the “other camp” in Norway was specifically for indoctrinating very young kids about the future of their political party,and how to counteract the conservative parties there..even more disturbing,they focus mainly on EDUCATION for grade schoolers & how to make the Hitler youth style programming nationalized in the textbooks,if you saw the Kitty Werthmann vid of how Hitler took over the schools/brainwashed kids,you can plainly see this is exactly whats going on at that camp..EU leaders-very heftily leaning left,purposely destroying Western European culture/art/music/authors-speak at these camps to model them into ultra left future EU leaders,..not my words,theirs…NOW to the Tea party camp…all thats happening there is teaching kids stuff about American history that they SHOULD have learned in school,&liberal professors will NOT TEACH…The Constitution/Founding Fathers…if U.S schools have been doing their job right,teaching kids about how their textbooks have revisionist history due to progressives/ALL about genius Founding Fathers-not “Johnny had 2 fathers”-& teaching real American history,Teaprty camp wouldn’t be necessary
Report Post »jason06
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:49pmthere is no evidence to suggest this man was a christian, other than the new york times madeup headline. he even states he has no persoanl spiritual relationship with christ. That is the very thing one needs to be a christian.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:00pmNone of you do. Jesus is imaginary.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:05pm…and so is your education…
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:09pmHole – One of these days you’ll find out how real he is. Take this opportunity to repent and ask him to save you. You might not get another.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:28pmThe irony here is that Atheists believe in everything, the earth, the sky, the universe, and Xtians believe in magic.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:49pmFoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:00pm
None of you do. Jesus is imaginary.
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Just to you, which is fine
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:16pmBooger: Well, I suppose if you have a difficult time convincing a schizophrenic his delusions aren‘t real then I would guess you’d have an equally difficult time convincing a Xtian that his aren’t real either.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:23pmThere are two kinds of people;
Report Post »Those who say to God, “Thy will be done”,
and those to whom God says, “All right then, have it your way”.
eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:28pm@FOXHOLEATHIEST
Just like the church tried to convince Galileo he was wrong? Or how about Obama trying to convince everyone the Iraq surge was a bad idea?
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:57pmHe says cultural christian-no christian would be like you hateful anti muslim right wing genocidists and mass murdering terrorists joining the military to murder and torture men women and children cause someone tells you or cause you want to out of hatred or even in the name of Christ or your real religion americanism.nothing Christ like about you“cultural christians” [nationalism masquerading as christianity]..
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 8:26pmYou figured me out Rose Ellen….I joined the Marines to drop napalm on schools and hospitals, eat babies, drown puppies, and drink the blood of virgins….
And that’s before lunch….
All because Jesus told me too…
My God your stupid….
Report Post »ChristianLayman
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 11:34pm@FoxHoleAtheist
Heathen, as a fellow believer, your faith humbles even mine, for you profess that the Apostles and disciples were martyred by refusing to recant belief in a man that you aptly point out “is imaginary”. And what’s more is that the later disciples who were schooled in Greek philosophy that still acts in many ways as the primary influence in Western intellectual development STILL believed in this imaginary man to the point where in the 4th century pagan emperors began to embrace TRUE Religion and then have is spread like wildfire to the point where approximately 1/3 of the planet’s population professes this imaginary man to have existed to this Day.
I must say if all that transpired and Jesus didn’t exist, well, why then Heathen, our faith’s existence is an even bigger miracle than I gave it credit for. Thank You!
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 10:53amXtian layman, uneducated people are more easy to control and scare, coupled with the promise of wealth in the afterlife make those in extreme poverty more susceptible to dogma.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:48pmUCC = Satan’s Tool To Discredit Christ.
Report Post »Rev. Dr. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite = Hell-Bound Hellhound
MODEL82A1
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:48pmIt’s not that the alleged Perp is a Christian, it’s that he had eaten carrots within 24 hours of allegedly committing the crimes. It’s the Carrots that need to go!
Report Post »ApokTheGreat
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:48pmWhat part of the Sermon on the Mount didn’t she understand?
Report Post »What part of “Thou Shalt Not Murder” didn’t she understand?
If this “expert” has any questions…oh well she wouldn’t listen anyway.
ApokTheGreat
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:55pmMatt. 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Report Post »Matt. 5:21 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matt. 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt. 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Matt. 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matt. 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
ApokTheGreat
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:25pmOn a different thought train:
Report Post »This is another sign of the times written of in the Bible.
References:
Matt 24 Jesus giving the disciples the signs of the End Times
Rev. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev. 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Dan. 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan. 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan. 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into
Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:47pmTimothy 3: 1 – 5 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to it’s power; and from these turn away.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:51pm2 Timothy 3: 1-5
Report Post »victoryblaze
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:47pmMaybe cancer cures, cause cancer
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:47pmGod bless her. With a name like Thistlethwaite I find it hard to criticize her for any wacky idea. I mean, she’s suffered enough. :-)
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:46pmIf your Christianity isn’t extreme, you’re doing it wrong.
Report Post »ApokTheGreat
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:30pmGonzo….Love it
Report Post »Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion
God bless
riverdog1
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 3:21pmyou are right gonzo and breivik just proved it for you.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:46pm& global warming & poverty & starvation & …
Report Post »DetritusScreener
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:46pmObama and his administration’s warnings of domestic terrorism by white men with a military background is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you stick a trained tiger in a cage, call it names, attack it’s livelihood and poke it with sticks, is it going to get pissed off. Obama and his administration are purposefully aggravating a specific class of people to create a perceived enemy. They are being agitators for their specific cause.
Report Post »Lost Highway
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:45pmOh ya, that Mother Teresa was quite the terrorist.
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:48pmmother teresa lost her faith and became a athiest. smart lady
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:44pmHe may call himself a christian, but his actions do not confirm it.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:50pmHe really doesn’t.
Report Post »chigger
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:26pmBearfoot: Read the article. It clearly states he wasnt a Christian.
“Contrary to early reports, Anders Behring Breivik is not a Christian. In fact in his 1,518 page manifesto, the perpetrator of the atrocities in Norway has specifically disavowed any real commitment to Christ.”
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 6:33pmChigger,
Of course he is not a Christian, his actions prove that.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 7:41pmHe didn’t exactly behave in a Christ-like manner, did he?
But he did call himself a Christian and call for the restoration of a Christian identity to Norway and Europe, he did deck himself out in full Templar array, and he did speak of his “Crusade,” which has been a Christian concept for 1000 years.
I suspect he stands not so much for Christ or Christianity, as for “Christendom.”
People who deny that he is right wing would probably also deny that the sun rises, but he is right wing of a very distinctive kind.
Might this sort of movement displace traditional fascism (Hitler is so 1930s) to become the new alternative to both liberal democracy and stale Marxism?
Report Post »cromag11b
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 9:07pmYou mean like the Teutonic Knights in Poland, or the Crusades, the Holy Roman Empire, Northern Ireland, the Balkans, the Reformation Wars, the 100 Year War, the entire colonization of the New World and Africa?
Report Post »Or how about Gatlin made square bullets for non Christians so they would hurt more? How’s that for acting Christian?
TikeSissy
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:44pmNothing new here.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:44pmThe left is responsible, the left wing push will get an equal right wing push back over time. All things even out eventually, even the weather.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 4:51pmSo, following that logic, the left is responsible for all the Muslim killings and other terrorist attacks.
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:07pmHKS,
Report Post »Re-think that, please.
HKS
Posted on July 26, 2011 at 5:49pmSimple logic my friend, it’s not rocket science.
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