Life-Threatening and in Some Cases Illegal: Why Do Snake-Handling Churches Still Do It?
- Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:11am by
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Back in the remote section of the hills southeast of Manchester, Kentucky, Holiness Church meeting was held. James Estep demonstrates his faith by handling four rattle snakes without fear, July 5, 1959. The meeting was held in the home of Forester Asher at a community called Blue Hole on the Clay and Leslie County line. (AP Photo/H.B. Littell)
Snake handling churches have long been a fascination for the public, the majority of whom consider the practice rash and dangerous. The media has also been shedding light on this form of worship by some Christian churches for many years as well.
After the death of the well-known snake-handling pastor Mack Wolford from West Virginia in late May though, the controversial practice is being spotlighted again.
With the risks of snake-handling and some states even making the tradition illegal by banning ownership of venomous snakes, Anderson Cooper’s 360 went inside some of these churches to find out why they still do it. Watch the clip:
In this report, CNN’s Gary Tuchman speaks with 20-year-old Andrew Hamblin, a pastor in an East Tennessee snake-handling Christian church. Snake handling is illegal within the state, so why does Hamblin and others within his church still do it? In the interview, Hamblin acknowledges that if someone were to get bitten and die, “the authorities would probably come in on us and shut us down, but that’s why I stress so much to my people to make sure.” By this he means, make sure they truly believe they’re appointed by God to take up the snakes.
Pastor Andrew Hambling handling snakes during a service. (Image: CNN screenshot)
“If it’s their point in time to die, there’s nothing I can do to prevent it,” Hamblin said though.
Some Christian churches use venomous snakes as part of their worship drawing from the the gospel of Mark 16:18, which states “They shall take up serpents…”
When asked how he feels about the life-threatening situation he himself faces when he handles snakes — already being bitten four times in two years — Hamblin said that he thought about it and this is why “it pays to be ready — spiritually.”
Earlier this month, WMBF News, an ABC affiliate, also featured Hamblin and his church, the Tabernacle Church of God. Here’s more on what he had to say:
“We’re not up here throwing snakes across the church house and things like that,” explained Pastor Hamblin. “I know the world thinks we’re crazy. That’s not what I want to share with the world, we’re Christian people, we are part of the Pentecostal movement.”
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Pastor Hamblin said you do not pick up a snake unless the spirit moves you.
“You don’t set at home and say, ‘When I go to church, I’m gonna sing one song, I’m gonna pray for brother so-and-so. When I get finished praying for brother so-and-so, I’m gonna handle two rattlesnakes and a copperhead. I‘m gonna put them up then I’m gonna shout a while and go home.‘ You don’t do that. We’re led by the spirit of God,” explained Hamblin.
WMBF reports owning venomous snakes within the state is illegal, but Hamblin said that if Bible reading someday became illegal, it doesn’t mean people would stop doing it. Hamblin does point out that those under the age of 18 are not allowed to handle the snakes.
Watch WMBF’s report:
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jopmur
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:15amDriving a car is surely ‘life threatening”, many things in life are. Ban parachuting, racing, football, baseball, boating, sex, breathing and a million other things. Go on, just ban…that’s the answer to everything.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:43amI live in rattlesnake country..rattlesnakes are deadly..I mean deadly..and there are ones now that will strike without warning..They blend in with the environment and are difficult to spot. An childhood acquaintance of mine was bitten by a baby rattler and spent 80 thousand dollars in hospital fees..The anti-venom is as I understand 10 thousand a vile..Most of the time..whenever bitten..if you survive..there will be a deformity. So please don’t think that they are harmless..These snakes den up by the thousands..machinery has haphazardly unearthed them in construction..I heard a story of someone blowing up a den with explosives..It didn’t kill the snakes..there were just a lot of very serverely ticked off snakes..One lady let her 2 llittle boys stopped at a rest stop..go behind a bush to use the restroom..ages 3 and 5..the three year old was bitten it the jugular..he died. most are approx 2 ft long..big ones six ft and up. Please be careful and know your environment.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:08pmThese People have the GOD Given Right to enjoy their First Amendment, and NO Government can prohibit the free exercise thereof!!.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:22pmAshes, I live in New York where a mining company did just that and unearthed a den in the winter! No one was hurt, but rattlers are nothing to mess with! My brother came across one the other day while hiking just a few miles from home here in Upstate New York!
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:42pmHas it ever occured to any of you that Jesus was speaking to the Apostles when he made that statement in Mark? The Apostles and some of the other early Church leaders had powers and gifts which we don’t posess… Want to argue? Let the arguer raise someone from the dead and I’ll listen.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:04pm@JHAYDENG..New York is a beautiful place..never been there..but I have seen the photos. I love the mountains and the fall colors there..As far as the rattlesnakes..didn’t realize you guys had them too..You know I said that they blew up that den? Can you imagine like a thousand of those things alive and angry hurling through the air.?
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:09pmashestoashes
“I live in rattlesnake country..rattlesnakes are deadly..I mean deadly..and there are ones now that will strike without warning..They blend in with the environment and are difficult to spot.”
My wife, son and I live on a large tract of land in Florida where rattlesnakes, alligators and cotton mouths live in abundance in the surrounding areas.
We have a chain link fence around the house encompassing altogether about 800 feet, with hardware cloth (tight mesh wire) in front of the chain link. It acts as a snake fence.
Just two weeks ago I was outside the snake-fenced area looking for our cat, Rocky.
When I spotted him I walked over to where he was near the yard fence and noticed he was moving very carefully and slowly with his gaze fixated on the ground to his front. Since that told me he perceived a serious threat in his immediate area, I froze in place and looked around for a snake, but didn’t see anything.
Then I noticed a slight movement. Right at my feet not six inches away was a big fat rattler, ( It meaasured 5 feet.) far larger than any in this video, and it was stretched out in front of my right toe. It was camouflaged so well with natural coloring I couldn’t see it until it moved its head.
I ran into the house, got my 38 loaded with snake shot, ran back out and blasted its head with four shots.
It never coild up; it never rattled, and it didn’t feel threatened by a large cat or a person.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:47pm@INDEPENDENT..Wow..that’s a story…In 2008..I believe in October..I was going to my mailbox and I heard a loud buzzing..I thought it was those kady dids or whatever they are..then as I stepped over the bridge near my mailbox..out of the corner of my eye..a coiled rattler had sprung and struck almost to my hip..I turned around immediately and went to my vehicle to get a shovel..when I returned to him..he was coiled by my mailbox..I struck at him with my shovel and he struck at me full length with me jumping back..I did it twice because I was trying to cut off his head..that’s what most folks do and bury it to keep animals from chewing on it and dying..but when I failed both times.(it was my first snake killing attempt) I stepped back and prayed.then turned the shovel around and beat it to death.. I swore off ever trying to kill one again with a shovel. the next one was beside my house…I did a much better job that time. If I were to fix my yard like yours..animals would dig a hole big enough for a snake to crawl through..you have a double problem with your alligators and such.. I think Florida would be a nice place to live..but I would never go swimming and I would probably try to secure my animals like you have. My cousin is a rattlesnake handler and used to keep one in his glass coffee table alive. Thanks for sharing.
Report Post »HeyLanny
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:43pmI think you hit the nail on the head about the banning part. This is an area I do not condone as a Christian myself, but passing laws are never the answer to societies problems or control. That is what the Apostle Paul wanted us to understand about Law (old testament) and Grace (new testament). What law cannot do, Grace (LOVE for Christ and man) will do much more abundantly.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:28pmI, too, line in rattler country. One of my outside “working” cats (semi-feral) took out a large one – over 6 ft long. By the time I got to the scene, Goodness had snipped off the rattle as a souvenir for me and eaten half the snake. I tossed the rest of it aside only to find she moved it back. I ran over it w/the mower and tossed it aside. This time, she dragged it under the porch to finish what she had started.
The snake had killed her firstborn who was standing guard over her litter of little ones. She took it so personally, she even found and tore up the eggs of her enemy. I found the mess of nest and broken eggs in another part of the yard.
That said, she really has not left the porch’s safety since then! She’ll go roam the yard then hi-tail it back to the porch for the day. And, yes, I was able to get her “fixed” shortly afterward since she was then amenable to being brought in.
Don’t mess w/mammalian Moms!
The promise of protection applied to those whose witness to God’s grace was center stage. It was also meant as protection ag accidental (as in Paul’s case) contact w/poisonous snakes. It was NOT meant as a blanket for those who tempt the LORD God as these people are doing.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:17pmYou folks against banning snake handling are missing an important point–what they do affects all of us.
When someone at one of these places gets bitten by a snake, police, ambulances and probably even the fire department respond. Now, these emergency services cost public funds, not to mention that they tie up emergency personnel.
Now, would you want to be a paramedic trying to drag an unconscious guy out of a church full of poisonous snakes? It puts them at unnecessary risk.
When someone goes to the hospital with a snake bite, they need to be treated. If they have insurance, then their expensive treatment will contribute to higher premiums for everyone else. If they don’t have insurance, then the hospital and the public pays for their medical care.
So, for those of you who want to wave around “free exercise” as an excuse to be able to do whatever you want, remember that you are never just acting for yourself–your actions affect others.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:24pm“Driving a car is surely ‘life threatening”, many things in life are. Ban parachuting, racing, football, baseball, boating, sex, breathing and a million other things.”
Oh please… are you really so stupid as to think that these are analogous situations? Lets see…
Now, if you actually think breathing, sex, and sports are as dangerous as playing with a venomous wild animal, then you are just not terribly smart (or extremely fearful!).
In the case of other examples like parachuting and racing, the people that do these things and who teach others to do them are professionals. No one is saying that zoo personnel can’t handle snakes, just these folks who are not trained professionals. Racecar drivers are professionals, and the FAA has all kinds of regulations to prevent accidents in skydiving.
So, as you can see, your examples are pure silliness.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:16pmI want to preface what I am about to say with this … until we truly become the United Socialist States of America we still have to right to worship whoever and whatever we choose in ANY manor we choose. The only exception I am aware of is human sacrifice. Leave these people ALONE!!!
Report Post »That now being said God has NEVER asked us or ordered us to burn our selves or to drink or expose ourselves to POISON! In fact the Bible says in red letters that we are NOT to test the Lord our God!
The statement in Matthew in CONTEXT was to say that if we are bitten (like Paul was) we can just shake it off because our God is bigger then a snake!!!
God does not want us to run the wrong way on the highway just to try and show that God can protect us! Can God keep us from death? …. yes … Will He …. lol probably NOT! Why? Because we know better then to take on a truck head on. Do people know better then to anger a snake? …..
Would I ask my sons to burn themselves to prove to me that they love me? No! Why not? Because I love them and I don’t want to see them get hurt! God’s heart toward us is the same … he LOVES his kids and has NEVER asked them to put themselves in harms way just to show him they love him.
If you are in one of those churches I beg you to re-read your bible your pastor is DEAD WRONG on this one!
scrudge
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:20pmBAN oBOZO
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:31pmWhile ever they‘re handling snakes they’re not handling young children so go for it serpent kings, may you and your rattler live happily ever after. BTW, if its gods choice for you to receive a life threatening bite, so be it, no need to call the ambulance.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:44pmASHESTOASHES
“………I struck at him with my shovel and he struck at me full length with me jumping back..I did it twice because I was trying to cut off his head..that’s what most folks do and bury it to keep animals from chewing on it and dying..but when I failed both times.(it was my first snake killing attempt) I stepped back and prayed.then turned the shovel around and beat it to death..”
Yes, I know what you mean about them seeming to jump at you. At least that’s what it seems like to me.
I guess when they strike sometimes the force of their strike is so great it propels their whole body forward.
Report Post »jwt
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:23pmman can do as he wishes in most cases. However when Jesus was tempted, he gave an anwser a wise man might follow. matthew 4,7
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 5:47amPubli—
Banning it would be more costly, not only because you’d need to enforce the ban (cops to arrest/impose fines on violators, animal control to take the snakes), but also because they won’t stop (didn’t you read that part?), so all the costs you mention would still apply.
It would basically be another “War on Drugs”.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 10:10amWhat ever your opinion do not call them a cult.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 10:15am@ PUBLIUS…I frind your assertion in your first post to be based on a “collective” mentality. When we begin down the slippery slope you have to justify banning something because of infered dangers to others then we open up a very dangerous door. Let me explain first, I think these people are putting God to the test and actually sinning by doing this, not to mention that the portion of Mark they derive this practice from was probably not in the original scripture. However, I could make the same argument you made about drinking alcohol and driving. There is inherent expense to treat victims, many have been killed or harmed by someone else who chooses to drink and drive. Therefore we should make drinking illegal. I could make the same argument for many things using your line of reasoning so to me that is a logically weak assertion. I also think you committed the logical fallacy of over exaggeration when you stated the danger to EMTs going into a church filled with poisonous snakes. They are easily brushed aside with a stick or broom. Really not much danger in it all.
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:40pm[These People have the GOD Given Right to enjoy their First Amendment, and NO Government can prohibit the free exercise thereof!!]
[United Socialist States of America we still have to right to worship whoever and whatever we choose in ANY manor we choose.]
No… No they don’t have the “right” to practice religion however they please. The supreme court has already ruled on this. Practices can be regulated. Toying around with venomous snakes like a damn idiot is no different than Russian Roulette. These people belong in a psych ward or padded cell. Their pea sized brains are warped by endorphin & dopamine highs.
Report Post »Oldbutnotsenile
Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:38amI grew up just about 20 miles from Jolo and they have been handling snakes even when I was young and believe me that was more than 70+ years ago. I remember asking my daddy about those people who would do that and his answer was girl, it takes all kinds. Each his own I guess. I can honestly say I have been touched by the Holy Spirit, but it never instructed me to handle snakes to prove my faith.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:56amIf they want to follow the LITERAL translation of the passage “They shall take up serpents…” why don’t they take it LITERALLY? Nowhere does the passage say “They shall take up POISONOUS serpents…”!
Report Post »God made non-venomous snakes too! Duh!
hayesstephen
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:10amWell Duh oh sorry I thought that was your screen name. Hey its none of your business what, or how these people worship. People around the world use snakes poison and non poison. Its none of my business and its all their business. Religious BIGOT.
Report Post »Come to thing of it I wonder if your parents every time they look at you do they think, why didn’t we us condoms!!!!!!
ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:29amLUKE4:12 ” Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”. yes..it is those people’s business if they want to handle poisonous snakes.. God does not force anyone to obey Him..He gives us free will..if we want to be idiots..then we can be idiots..but that is not obedience to God..These people have conveniently forgotten those words spoken by Jesus Himself..
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:29am@Hayestephen, It is none of our business, but since the conversation is open here on The Blaze, we are free to express our opinions. I just happen to think it is stupid. God gave (most of us) common sense too, and I think he expects us to use it. God gave each of us opinions as well – for a reason. That’s what I happen to believe religiously. Should I say that if you disagree with me that YOU are a religious bigot?
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:47am@Hayesstephen, correction. God gave us the FREEDOM to form our own opinions. He didn’t give us the opinions. Also, if you feel so strongly that it is none of our business, then why did YOU even read the story and then all the comments? Pure nosiness?
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:49pmThis is freedom of religion…protected by our constitution…I respect their right to practice their beliefs
Report Post »HeyLanny
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:02pmI would also point out that interpretations of scriptures must be understood both physically and spiritually with spiritual emphasis as the major contributor. Even in the catholic Church where they call the priest father, the Bible tells us to call no man upon the earth Father. MT 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.So our Catholic Brothers and sisters must see the difference in our interpretation. One thing that is not a problem in interpretation is St John 3:16 which every man and woman should embrace for their own positive life giving joy that no government or science can offer.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:37pm“This is freedom of religion…protected by our constitution…I respect their right to practice their beliefs”
And yet freedom of speech does not cover the right to yell “fire” in a crowded theater or to send bomb threats to public places.
A non-professional owning, transporting and handling venomous snakes poses a quite obvious threat to the public, not just the guy handling the snake. The snakes also pose a threat to emergency workers who will inevitably have to respond to the church when someone gets bitten.
Report Post »thibx
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:14pmi think Jesus was saying they shall fight against evil and it will by no means hurt you.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:04pm@PUBLIUPENCILMAN…Congress shall enact no legislation restricting freedom of religion,,They have a RIGHT to practice their faith..They do no harm to others,and the people who participate understand the risks associated with this practice…This is called freedom…May be that you would like to add, No Snake Handling law to the long list of legislation that already takes are freedom..but I for One am sick of the Nanny state.. I also don’t care how many big gulps Americans Drink
Report Post »Pontiac
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 3:08pmYou people are very ignorant of the law and naive of the world around you. Free exercise of religion does not prevent the government from passing neutral laws that incidentally impact certain religious practices. Otherwise drug users would form a religion to shield their illegal activities… You’re not protecting your rights defending these fools.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 4:55pm@MCDAVE They have a right to practice it if it doesn‘t infringe upon anyone else’s safety or liberty. Was 9/11 a legal expression of religion too!? Publican is absolutely right when he says that the consequences of our actions effect more than just us. I’m fine with it if they do it with a safe animal, but not with a dangerous animal, at least not without professional training.
Report Post »bo1921
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:55amI don’t care what these people do. It’s none of my business, and as far as I can tell, not one of these snake handlers has EVER impinged on my right to do what I want. So be it.
Report Post »RDawkins
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:03amExcept these morons add to the cost of health care by their need for medical attention, not to mention their need for mental health drugs!
Report Post »RDawkins
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:08amThese people increase health insurance cost for all of us because of their stupidity!
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:41pm@Rdawkins
If that’s the argument lets start by banning promiscuity. Still want to regulate behavior based on its health costs? Didn’t think so.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:32pmA ban on promiscuity? You are suggesting that having sex with people is the same as handling a venomous wild animal? Wow Warpspeedpetey–you must have had some traumatic experiences in the past…
Not only do they abuse medical services, but these snakehandlers also cost the public money in the form of police, ambulance and firefighter responses.
People can practice safe sex and avoid diseases, but there is no way for this fella to “safely” play with a poisonous snake. This seems like a fairly obvious point, so I’m not sure it slipped by you.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:36pm@RDAWKINS you just hit on the hit the heart of the problem..But I say. get the government completely out of health care..The very essence of obamacare is to take individual freedom away from us,they will always use the excuse that it costs the collective to much money..Obamacare is the new constitution for obama’s Marxist Amerika, hiding in his heath care bill..If everyone pays their own costs, what do we care what they do.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 9:38pm@Pub
It’s not an obvious point at all. Despite the widespread availability of prophylactics people still get venereal diseases that have associated medical costs. While snake handlers are so rare as to be a pittance in comparison. The fact is that promiscuity has medical costs associated with it. If the argument is that legality should be associated with medical costs, then you can hardly complain about a tiny number of snakebites compared to the billions spent because of promiscuous behavior. You make my point because you clearly do not want your freedom regulated that way. So don’t be a hypocrite about it.
Report Post »Tigress1
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:51amWhy do they do it?
Report Post »Because they are stupid!
Cesium
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:49pmThey do it because they really do believe in God more than other christians. It is the same as the correct saying: “there are ONLY atheists in fox holes”
Report Post »David in OKC
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:48amAnd Jesus replied to Satan after Satan told him that he could jump off the cliff and not get harmed because God would send his angels to protect him. “It is written. Thou shall not put the Lord thy God to a foolish test”
Report Post »chasbronson
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:53pmWell discerned,These fools are nothing more than a show.
Report Post »Dawn_30
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:06pmHow about this one,
Report Post »Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
zaches
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:51pmWhat chapter and verse would that be in? Would like to read it.
Report Post »lakwttwuy
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:57pmThat’s right, don’t tempt God. That is why “Mark” 16:9-20 was not originally in the gospel of Mark. Eusebius and Jerome tell us that that section was not in many, maybe even the best, copies of Mark of their day.
Report Post »Dandylyon
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:32amIts a fetish, what these perves do has nothing to do with GOD.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:15amFinally Yahweh has sent someone to explain everything to us!!! Its about time someone like you showed up!!!
Report Post »overthecliff
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:32amWhy do we criminalize a form of worship that harms noone but the participants and legalize a religion that seeks to impose Sharia Law on the dhimmi.
Report Post »teddie888
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:05pmExactly
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:45pmFirst of all–no one “legalized” Islam. Muslims have always by default had the right to practice their religion in this country. Now, in terms of the Dhimmi, I’m curious as to where you see this applied anywhere in the U.S. In the case of Sharia, religious law does not trump U.S. law in the same way that Jewish religious law neither replaces or can overrule U.S. law. Already your analogy makes no sense.
But in terms of these people hurting no one–non-professionals owning, transporting and handling venomous snakes is a hazard to the public, plain and simple. In addition, when one of these folks are bitten, they tax emergency response resources, hospital resources, and potentially contribute to higher insurance rates. So they affect people other than themselves.
Report Post »michael from Ga.
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:28amTree of Knoweledge, Scorpion, Dragon, Serpent, and many others are names of Satan. Serpents-plural, is usually Satan’s seed; Christ Jesus did an excellent job in identifying them for Us.
Report Post »castuslonginus
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:20amWho are they showing their faith to. If its GOD ,well, doesn’t He already know your heart and by knowing that,your faith in Him also? If you’re showing other men how much faith you have, then it’s pride,and nothing good can come of it. Much like the publican praying in public,”thank you Lord for not letting me be like other men.” Well, he was actually worse. GOD knows our hearts and minds,live for Him And His son Jesus. Keep his precepts,He will know.
Report Post »karen162
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:17amAnother headline in you will never see in the Media:
Breaking Laws by allowing Terrorists in the White House and National Security leaded. Definitely Illegal and life threatening. So why does Obama still do it?
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:43amYeah, I’d rather see more and more on El Presidente.
Snake handler Christians have been around for a very long time. GB has too much time on his hands. LMAO
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:57am@KAREN If you watch this video..you will see why terrorists are allowed in the Whitehouse..This reared its ugly head in 2001..and remember..700Billion in TARP went to Sharia Compliant Banks like Goldman Sachs and Citi Bank (the Banking Cartels are run by the un Federal Reserve) I didn’t believe or know what was going on until I watched this video..you should research the history of the Rothschilds and the History of the Rothschilds in the United States..People just put too much faith of goodness in the uber wealthy who run the world..who have murdered millions for greed power and world domination.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
Tunesmith
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:53amThose verses in Mark which all this heresy is based are NOT in the earliest manuscripts, and were most likely added later. Pick up any recent translation, and while they all have the verses in there, they also note that they are not part of the original text. So basing a dangerous practice like this on a suspect passage is not wise.
As to Peter being the rock of the Catholic church, a simple understanding of the original Greek shows the clever intent of the verse. The name Peter (Petros) means ‘small stone’ and the word PETRA (translated here Rock) means large foundation boulder. Jesus was merely using a simple play on words.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:16amWhen Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness and tempted ..this was his response..
Report Post »” And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” Luke 4:12
OperationNorthwoods
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:14pmSo Jesus spoke Greek?
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:10pm@Ops — quite likely as a third language. His first language was Aramaic w/liturgical and Biblical Hebrew as a second language.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:52am.
WHY DO SNAKE-HANDLING CHURCHES STILL DO IT?
Stupid people go to church too…..
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:51amHeadline you’ll never see in the MSM:
Sodomy: Life-Threatening and in Some Cases Illegal; Why do Liberals Still Do it?”
Report Post »David in OKC
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:51amGood one!
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:10amAmen
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:42pmRofl
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:25am…
Report Post »These snake handling cult churches give Christians and churches a bad name.
This type of behavior is why so many people think religious folks are fanatics and nuts.
sWampy
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:24amShows people are very stupid. What is is 1 tenth of 1% at most of Christians that do this, and they make fun of all Christians for it. What 30% of all liberals that molest their kids, 25% of liberal women abort their own babies, 70% think homosexuality is normal and good, they are the ones everyone should make fun of.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:54amSWAMPY:
In no way a liberal here… but where are you getting this 30% figure from?
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:50pmHa. Yeah, Swampy–where are those statistics coming from? I‘d hate to find out that you were just outright lying in order to cast aspersions on people’s character. That would be quite unchristian.
Report Post »Melika
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:36amWho cares what these people do to themselves in the name of religion. There are far worse things they could be doing. What a non-story.
jcldwl
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:33amWhy do they still do it? Because it is their faith and belief and they hurt no one but themselves if they get bit. Why do Muslims keep killing others is much more important than worrying about an extremely low number of snake handling believers who are simply trying to worship in their perverted manner and not hurt anyone or take over the world. Oh of course maybe we should look deeper. Perhaps they are planning on placing snakes on planes and bringing down hundreds of planes at once. Then taking over the world and forcing everyone to worship snakes or die a painful death in a pit of venomous snakes. Yeah that must be it and the reason for this article.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:59amI have no need to defend my allegiance to the Catholic Church. If anyone doesn’t agree, I really don’t care. There won’t any threats of violence from me. I will go on believing what I believe, without any thought of those who disagree with me. This is my religion, also called faith. I don‘t need anyone’s approval.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:18amThe problem comes when you think that no one else has faith or biblical grounds for their own theology. When you fire a shot at someone then you should expect them to fire back. Don’t then proceed to make yourself the victim! If you want to discuss theology then expect people to disagree with you. Maybe you can even learn something! You are more than welcome to your faith.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:33amJust for the record, I do not comprehend the snakes thing either, and I believe the sign gifts from the Holy Spirit ended in the earliest days of the church. I believe talking in tongues is psychologically motivated and if someone were a true faith healer then what are they doing working in churches? Why would they not visit hospital after hospital really healing people? If someone claims to be a prophet on what grounds would anyone else believe? Prophets are crawling out of the woodwork, all with different messages. They are like the messiahs of Christ’s day.
But…If this is how people choose to demonstrate their faith then God bless them. Who am I to say they are wrong? I have my opinion, but it is just that…an opinion. I think God set it up this way to keep things interesting. There is a small core of doctrine you must believe to be saved. What you do with the rest is up to you. That is all I am trying to get you to see Diane.
Report Post »muddpuddle
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:30amTrollerTrainer….. In Jesus day, He healed all those who came to Him. You can’t force people to believe, they have got to home to Him with hearing ears. But its the same with tongues and the other gifts as well. Without ears that hear, and understand, its all nonsense.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:13pm@DIANE You are a cowgirl and a Catholic? ….I recently attended a “Walk to Emaus.” everyone loved it I think but me..I did not realize that it was a “Christian and Catholics together” kind of thing..In place of teaching the truth..they told us that God speaks to us all differently ..and that whatever our respective churches taught..was just how God was speaking to us..Diane..do you have a NKJ study bible? THe John McArthur one is very good.. In 1Cor.6:9..it tells us who will not enter the kingdom of heaven..it’s homosexuals, adulterers.fornicators, drunkards, thieves, idolaters etc.. When one of the people asked at what idolatry was..a preist posing as a nondenominationa preacher answered.like a lying DA..Oh…uh …it’s love of yourself..it’s love of yourself..that’s what idolatry is..Diane I would encourage you to look up idolatry on the internet..The “priest” conveniently skips the 10 commandments..the first 2 especially. He also gave himself away by saying that the church was founded on Peter..It was not founded upon Peter..but the fact that Jesus Himself is the Son of God..we are the temple..the church.. There seems to be a lot of uproar over “sheep stealing” with which I vehmently disagree .Those “sheep are supposed to belong to Jesus..not man’s church..protestant or Catholic..I would encourage you to step outside your religion and into God’s word..the bible. Jesus said..Let no man teach you..I will teach you.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:58amDiane TX
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:44am
I don’t know if Peter visited Rome or not. What I do know, is that Jesus Christ said: That Peter was the Rock that he built his Church on.
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That is actually a matter of interpretation, but let’s say that what you interpret this verse to mean is exactly what Jesus meant. What would lead you to believe Peter was set apart from any other human? What if Jesus meant that upon Peter…and John, Paul, John-Mark, Timothy, Barnabas…That He would build His church? You are basing the major portion of your theology on a single verse that cannot be dogmatically proven to mean what you want. Think on it!
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“Martian Luther was a heretic that refused to accept the infallibility of the Pope on religious matters”
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Darn straight! Especially when it does not take even a bit of effort to show where Pope after Pope has not only been wrong, but corrupt and petty. Heck, just look at the Great Schism. Talk about a killer comedy routine!
The Bible is my authority, Stop. And before you say sola scriptura is not mentioned in the Bible…Either is the Trinity. But both are blatantly and obviously implied.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:14amSorry I missed the reply button. Something further to think on: There are many portions of Scripture that point to man’s depravity. Versus such as “ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” We are taught in Scripture that Jesus is our Priest. He is Prophet, Priest, and King. Why would you try and put a depraved, sinning human in His place? You do not need a priest to talk to God! Did Jesus not die for ALL sin on the cross? Catholic theology claims only original sin. But that goes against what Scripture teaches, read Romans! Why are you paying penance for what Christ already died for? I mean, if you want to do this great, but it is not biblical. Just accept Christ and be born again. It is a personal choice and a personal relationship. The church you go to is meaningless.
Ah well…I am just spinning my wheels, I know this. My good friend By Faith is bound to show up swinging his Catholic sword…You guys are sincere, I know that. I am not Catholic bashing, I was raised Catholic and my own parents remain Catholic. The Catholic Church does many good things…I just wish you guys would quit trying to defend an institution and open your hearts to Scripture. Was Martin Luther wrong about many things? Heck yes! As is my own pastor, as am I, as is your Pope. We are ALL just human sinners. The name over the door of your church is meaningless, the question is what YOU do with Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:12pmSola Scriptura violates the Principle of Non Contradiction in practice. Think about it. There are thousands of different denominations preaching contradictory doctrines. As always contradictions indicate that at least one doctrine must be wrong. Sola Scriptura thus leads to false doctrines being taught to unsuspecting Christians. I was raised as a protestant for a number of years and know that there are a great many solid Christians among them, but Sola Scriptura is an impediment to the faithful transmission of Christs message. Come home.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:32pmWSP,
That argument makes no logical sense! Granted we interpret the Bible in many different ways, most of them wrong. But there is only 1 inspired truth and that is what Scripture says. We try our best to discern that truth from a known source. In fact, very few Bible believing evangelicals would argue on the core doctrines we need for salvation. We argue over things like millennial views and ordinances. These are non-consequential. The Bible is the known, trustworthy revelation from God.
Adding church tradition only makes matters infinitely worse! Now you are relying on the feelings and logic of man to try and discern God’s will. Personal revelation is all well and fine, but what happens when the Holy Spirit tells me one thing and you another? How do you know it is of the Spirit and not a demon? If it contradicts Scripture then how can you trust it? No man is infallible. There has to be a standard. The Bible is that standard.
Catholics always argue against Martin Luther, as if he were the big boogie man. Martin Luther only wanted to reform the Catholic church, weed out the obvious corruption of the day that totally flew in the face of Scripture. He did not go far enough!
You can keep your religion! I have Christ!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:44pmYo Warpspeed:
Well if sola scriptura was adhered to maybe this issue would not be an issue.
Report Post »Different denominations preaching different/ contradictory teachings … would that not lead one to reason that if everyone adhered to 3 outs sides change … the game gets played without hinderence. When someone tries to change the rules whether it be from lack of understanding or bad teaching or just simply wolfs in sheep’s clothing doing the teaching ( animals do talk) , arguements ensue … and men behaving like children the outcome.
4truth2all
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:00pmScripture ITSELF tells us to be sola scriptura … do not add, do not take ( this is the entire 66 books that some like to ignore and explain away). Stay on the path, do not swerve to the right or the left …another… BE UNIFIED of ONE mind …man, there are probably hundreds of verses that would defend sola scripture … deception does not agree.
Yo Trolltrainer:
Good to “see” your words as always …peace
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:11pmYo 4truth,
How about 2 Timothy 3:16 for a positive application of sola scriptura?
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”
So all Scripture is given by God and is inspired so it, by definition, is truth. What else is given by God that is truth?
…(crickets)…General revelation! And what does that tell us?…hmmm….
If WSP or anyone else wants to make the case for church tradition, an infallible Pope, prophecy (at least in the church age)…You better start digging because it is going to take a lot of convincing for me!
Thanks, but no thanks…I will stick with the Bible and trust the Holy Spirit to lead me where He would have me go.
God bless y’all
Report Post »Jezreel
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:53pmPeter was and is NOT THE ROCK. The revelation that Peter had that Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD is the rock that the church is built upon.
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 9:54pm@Y’all
One G-d. One Truth. Someone among us must be wrong. It can be no other way.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:36amThe media digs into snake handling whenever there is a death associated with the practice. Soon the media will move on to something else (until there is another death ). No one is forcing these people to handle snakes and they know the risks involved. If they’re not hurting anyone, leave them alone. They have a first amendment right to practice their religion just like the rest of us.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:44amGreat Libertarian response (kinda’ like the Libertarian position regarding drugs), live and let live… it‘s okay if it doesn’t harm me, or if a person wants to be a dumb@ss, who am I to judge… yada, yada, yada..
But….
[…] a man, not having the power of his own life, cannot, by compact, or his own consent, enslave himself to any one, nor put himself under the absolute, arbitrary power of another, to take away his life, when he pleases. No body can give more power than he has himself; and he that cannot take away his own life, cannot give another power over it […] But though this be a state of liberty, yet it is not a state of licence: though man in that state have an uncontroulable liberty to dispose of his person or possessions, yet he has not liberty to destroy himself […]
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:14amYou copy and paste very well. I can also copy and paste. For instance:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
Now, go ahead and ramble on and on about things that are irrelevant to this story; things like Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard, how big your hands are ( like catchers mitts! ), Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, racism, Murray Rothbard, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, people who support Ron Paul, libertarianism, your glare that sends people fleeing to their own libertarian island, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, people who support Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, how great you are, how great you are, how great you are, how big your hands are, how tough you are, how great your military career was, how great you are, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul Ron Paul, Ron Paul……..
Your shtick is getting old. Come up with some new material.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:32amDISSENT. So I guess by your interpretations, “Russian Roulette” like “Snake Roulette”, or sipping some toxic poision while other excited “voyeurs” look on is okay as long as the only one getting hurt or killed is the person holding the weapon of pain or death… be it snake, pistolla or poisoned grog eh? Yeah, yeah, I know… if cigarettes, alcohol, driving a car, jumping from a plane, bungee jumping, volunteering to fight a war etc are okay…. why not other types of roulette… ??
The “Libertarian schtick” is what is truly getting old IMO…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:39amExactly how big are your hands again?
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:35amDISSENT. You never did have a good argument to back up your mantra.
Ohhhh, the hands again? These hands are BIG working man hands. Not like IT geek, nerdy, sniveling, whiney, tiny, uncalloused hands that play on the computer whether at work and home. (skewing polls, insulting everybody and everyone that isn’t for Dr Liberty, not earning their keep).. posing as the ultimate woodsmen, survivalists, living off the land types… defenders of freedom and liberty, lol.
MY hands are definately NOT the hands of a Paul acolyte that constantly plays the worlds smallest violins…..
I think you’ve got it now…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:57amI don’t need to back myself up. You know where i stand. I take the libertarian position that the government should stay out of our personal lives. You, however, take the position that its the job of the government to keep us safe from ourselves. If you need the nanny-state to tell you not to play Russian roulette, that’s fine. For me, however, i just use common sense. In other words, i don’t need the government or federal laws to tell me that playing Russian roulette is probably not a good idea.
ooooohhhhhh, tell me more about your hands……or how your glare sends libertarians fleeing for their own libertarian islands……..or how tough you are………………or how the military still calls on you for help……..or how you’re a big Irish lug…………..
Report Post »Nothing says “tough guy” like someone bragging about how tough they are over the internet.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:34pmDISSENT. Your Ron Paul strain of Libertarian ideology just ain’t cutting the mustard, but you continue to beat the drum and can’t quite figure out why people (Conservatives) won’t listen. The reason I chose THIS particular topic and YOU is to emphasize that there is some behavior (and yes, I certainly believe in freedom to worship how you choose) that is just a wee bit over the edge. Going to Church to die is not IMO the best way to profess your love and trust in God, his wisdom, grace and “increase the size” of your flock. Seems to me to have the opposite effect and that is why most Pentacostals choose to stay away from the deadly serpent ritual. Not to mention that these folks who do handle snakes (and their fellow members) always act SHOCKED when they are bitten death and death occurs regardless of how it’s spun to the media. It‘s a damn poisonous snake you idgits and should be frowned upon wouldn’t you say? Nope you would say… GO FOR IT… as long as it feels good. Well, until you swell up, stop breathing and die…
I wouldn’t expect a guy like you to understand how a Senior member of the Military (who is Retired) still has a connection to the Military for various reasons. You wouldn’t quite understand that along with BIG working hands… lol.
Reagan cast it aside, and Republicans and Conservatives have cast it aside.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:38pmSorry DISSENT. My thought farther down which I didn’t finish was that Reagan cast aside Libertarianism and so should all Conservatives who consider themselves more of a Reagan Republican than anything else…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:59pmI don’t understand why its YOUR business or the business of the government how these people choose to worship god. They’re not hurting you or anyone else. If they were forcing children to handle snakes, that would be a different story. These people aren’t hurting anyone, except maybe themselves.
Do you really support laws aimed at protecting us from ourselves? I guess you support the Bloomberg 32oz soda ban, right? If people drink too much soda they might get fat and sick and die, right? We have to protect ourselves from ourselves,right?
I also don’t understand how a senior member of the Military (who is Retired) and who still has a connection to the Military feels the need to constantly brag about it on the internet. I also don’t understand how a senior member of the military ( who is retired ) uses the term “lol” in every single internet post. Please leave “lol” with the 13 year olds with whom it belongs. Thank you.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:09pm@DISSENTNOW Rock on!!
Report Post »@TIME2 Hey Time..How’s it going? Did you know that Henry Kissinger..you do know who Henry Kissinger is right? Said some very interesting things Time..like “Military men are dumb stupid animals used as pawns for military policy.“ and ”Yes many people will die when the NWO is established.but it will be a much better world for those who survive.” and It is not a matter of what is true that counts..but what is perceived to be true.”
Time..did you know that 700 billion in TARP went to Sharia Compliant Banks like Goldman Sachs..one of Romney’s biggest contributors..Obama and Romney are funded by banking cartels..backed by the Un Federal Reserve..Those Sharia Compliant banks have funds set up in them to fund organizaitons funding terrorism..so that would make terrorists mercenaries would it not? Think 9/11.. you don’t think that back room deals are made? you should watch “Criminal Rothschilds” us history.. and you should definitely watch this TIME..It’s in real time..maybe you could take off the blinders..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:46pmDISSENT. You are bothered by someone on the internet who likes to laugh and expresses that with “lol” and “lmao” but isn’t bothered by someone who would handle a snake as a means of expressing themselves, get’s bitten and dies? You sure have your priorities skewed AND your panties in a bunch… LMAO! LOL! And ROTFLMAO!
ASHES. I don‘t agree with Kissinger’s statement… do you?
Do you agree with Mises (you DO know who Mises is?) that the newborn child is born a savage and this is why Libertarians only accept the legitimacy of voluntary relationships… which plays into the desire to repeal the Civil Rights Act, so that you may kick out ethnic minorities from your restaurant without serving them…and plays into the desire of Rothbard (you DO know who Rothbard is) to voluntarily separate from Blacks in a nation and in public activity… and both Ron and Rand Paul’s (you DO know who they are) reactions when questioned about the Civil Rights Act, poor old Rosa Parks and her Medal… etc, etc, etc….
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:19pm@TIME I see little relevance to your Civil Rights post and the fact that the powers that be are using you guys against yourselves and against the people of the United States of America.. Time..the Rothschilds have had their hands in evil for a very long time..all for greed. power and world domination..All of our presidents have been murdered except for Andrew Jackson for wanting to print our own money instead of going through them..John F Kennedy had just issued an executive order to do that,,then upon his “murder” lyndon B Johnson rescinded it. Bobbly Kennedy was murdered as well. They have started wars and funded both sides Time.. I know that you are a good man..and I thank you for your service..I know your heart is in the right place..but you need to wake up to the truth..This was them in Germany Time.
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As for Civil Rights..I would like to choose the type of people that I would let rent a house from me..there are good people and then there are criminal elements that I feel would ruin my property for decent folks to stay..it is not a matter of color.but a matter of decency..and I would not want to be forced to serve or rent a home to someone who would run off my business.. I would prefer to be able to choose.I would not want to be forced just on premise of color to deal with them..I believe that should be the right of every person.
dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:19pm“lol” bothers me in the same way that people wearing baggy jeans around their ankles bothers me and the same way that people chewing gum bothers me. What can i say, it annoys me. That being said, i don’t want to pass laws preventing you from using “lol” or from wearing bagging jeans or from chewing gum. You are right, however. It doesn‘t bother me when someone that i don’t know handles a venomous snake and is bitten and dies and i certainly wouldn’t want to pass laws preventing people from handling snakes or worshipping god.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:49pmAll I got to say is a big
LOL
to all y’all…
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:19pmDISSENT. I know what else bothers you. How one guy pretty much single-handedly rides your GOP/Republican and Conservative hating insurgent @sses from dawn ’till dusk (when I get the opportunity) because I believe as strongly as you do in your almost cultish defense of Ron Paul… and that my opinions and sources of like opinion are just as right in that opposition.
I know it actually infuriates you that one person on The Blaze takes the time to counter the Ron Paul idiocy/ideology that you subscribe to.
Turn-about is fair play dontcha’ think? I sure do. Where you find Ron’s St. Pauly girls, sneaking in the Paul/Libertarian message or coming right out and insulting the GOP/Republicans and those of us who will vote for Romney (or those we supported before him)… well… you will find me. Deal with it ladies. I‘ve seen most of Paul’s support here melt into the country-side like Saddam’s dead-enders, but there are still a few of you around planting IED’s which keeps me around…
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:07pmActually that doesn’t bother me at all. You have your opinions and i have mine. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion because i can voice mine just as loud as you can. I prefer, however, to be civil but i can scrap with the best of them. So, no, you don’t bother me at all. In fact, i could care less about you. What does bother me, however, is that you go out of your way to annoy and pick fights with people, you post irrelevant/off topic comments all of the time, you’re rude, juvenile, and you make sweeping generalizations about people that you don’t know. You’re just as bad as the most fanatical Ron Paul supporters, of which i am NOT one. I support the man and his policies but i am not like his more fanatical supporters. It bothers me that you assume that i am, when i have made it a point to condemn, on this very site no doubt, the Ron Paul supporters who troll messageboards with their nonsense. You know nothing about me, pal. I have an amazing wife, two great kids, a good job ( and, yes, my hands are pretty calloused up ) and i don’t do drugs. Don’t make assumptions about me. Unlike you, i don’t feel the need to brag about how tough i am. In fact, its been my experience that people who brag about being tough, usually aren’t very tough at all. On top of all of that, you’re boring. You post the same nonsense over and over and over and over and over again. You’re like an attention-starved teenager crying out for help by acting like a snot-nosed little punk
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:51pm@TIME I do like you Time..and I would most like you to be on the side of the American people..That’s whose side we are on TIME..For a long time..I have kept up with the events..It just perplexed me that there are Sharia Compliant Banks..Why is that TIME? I didn’t understand until I saw FABLED ENEMIES..Here is another video in where SIBEL EDMONDS ..a former FBI agent tells the truth..and you can link up everything that she says with news events..check it out TIME..We need you!!
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:07pmDISSENT. The only way you can prove to me that you‘re not a fanatical Paul supporter is that you publically accept the fact than Ron Paul’s campaign is dead (whether I helped or not… big LOL on that one huh?)… and you’ve decided to do what is in the best interests of your, ahem, country, your fellow citizens (even the cluless left), and the Party of Paul (GOP)… and state that you will vote for Romney (the only game in town) and help put an end to the Obama madness?
Short of that…. you are a Ron Paul fanatic and an Obama enabler. Orrrr, are you going to drift over to Johnson? That might be even worse and proves that you don’t really give a hoot.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:39pmASHES wrote… “@TIME I do like you Time..and I would most like you to be on the side of the American people..That’s whose side we are on TIME..”
Then ASHES… I make the same appeal to you as I stated above for a guy who likes to DISSENT.
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:58pmI don’t have to prove anything to you. You’re the one that seems to have something to prove, Mr. tough guy. They should make a movie about your life. I mean, not only do you have big hands but you’re also a hero, a tough guy, and you helped end the Ron Paul campaign…..and you did it all while sitting behind a computer and posting anonymous comments on a website. You, sir, are a national treasure!
I’m a libertarian. Asking me to vote for Romney is like asking you to vote for Obama. I am not a republican so why would i vote for Romney ( who is actually a liberal masquaerading as a republican )?
Report Post »I‘m pretty sure that we’ve already had this conversation. I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson, who is the candidate that best fits my views. End of story. Get over it.
And if you don’t like it, please feel free to continue acting like the obnoxious 14 year old brat that you are.
P.S. aren’t you about due for another poorly worded rant about Murray Rothbard?
ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:08pm@TIME.I believe that you have a heart as big as Dallas Time..but you really should watch the vids I provided.. I have a feeling that that they used idealogical subversion on you in the military.. Time..you should research for yourself the religion of Mormon..They got their religion from Joseph Smith who was a Free Mason..The Free Masons are of the secret societies..being secret because they are Communist/Zionists with the Rothschilds at the helm..That is where they got there religion Time..They believe blasphemous things about God..no doubt taken from old Bablyonian texts..I have seen some of those texts..and when I showed them to my Messianic Jewish friends..they said to burn them. I don’t fault the people of the church..how could they know? But I do know that the Mormons and the JW’s got funded by the Rothschilds in the early 19th century.. TIME..this is one of the most critical crossroads in our history..You really need to watch the vids I provided..the last was a former FBI translater..the one on Germany will blow you away. Please Time..Both Romney and Obama are liberals and run by the same men. What Henry Kissinger said is not true in that Miltary are dumb stupid animals..they have lied to you and you have trusted them. I believe Kissinger in that once the NWO is established..many will die..TIME..He knows what he is talking about..George H Bush mentioned it and Kissinger said the American people would not like it but it would be what was best for them..
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:27pmDISSENT. I tried to get you to man up and help your country and instead you insist on being a kid with thoughts of dancing in fields of poppies with Johnson (guess you decided Paul was a dead-end too).
On that note… we’re done here. Now go handle your snake… lol.
ASHES. Okay man… you wore me down. I’ll check out the stuff you provided. You didn’t say whether you were actually voting for Romney after all that… did I miss it? Anyways, I’m done here. DISSENT is way to insulting for my tender eyes… LMAO!
Report Post »dissentnow
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:54pmWhat part of “i’m a libertarian” don’t you understand? As a libertarian, i vote for libertarian candidates. If Mitt Romney was a libertarian i would vote for him. He doesn’t share my values so i wont be voting for him. Its that simple. Of course Ron Paul would be my first choice, but since he is out of the race my vote is going to Gary Johnson. In the 2008 election cycle, i supported Ron Paul but he didn’t get the nomination so i ended up voting for Chuck Baldwin (constitution party) because the libertarian candidate, Bob Barr, was NOT a real libertarian.
Its not that Paul is a dead end, its just that he is out of the running. You, yourself, admitted that Romney wasn’t your first choice. What is your point?
I don’t understand why this is so hard for you to understand.
Maybe i should word it in a way that would make sense to you:
“Ron Paul……………Ron Paul……………Ron Paul………Murray Rothbard………Ron Paul……..Ron Paul………..military hero………Ron Paul………..big hands…………libertarian……….racist………..Ron Paul…….Ron Paul………Murray Rothbard………newsletters……..big hands………dissentnow…….racist……..Ron Paul…….big Irish lug…….Ron Paul……Ron Paul”
P.S. you never did tell me exactly how big your hands are?
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Posted on July 23, 2012 at 5:16amSo, you insult us and then apologize? Strange. You shouldn’t apologize if that is how you really feel. Trust me, i wont be losing any sleep over it and i’m sure that “Time” feels the same way. So, it is what it is. No hard feelings.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:24amBecause they’re nuts?
JohnLarson
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:14amThey still do it because regular church is boring as hell.
Report Post »scrudge
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:13amAh Yes…. dancing with the DEVIL he he he…..oh well you see what you get
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:57amSnakes and Christians? Sorry, but I do not comprehend. I only believe in the Roman Catholic Church which began with Jesus Christ. I have “zero” power to make anyone believe what I believe. Of course I’m not actually asking anyone to embrace my beliefs. What someone believes or doesn’t believe, is not a concern of mine. My only hope is that each person is “allowed” to believe as they choose.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:19amThe Catholic church began with Constantine. There is no Biblical record that Peter ever even visited Rome and the bible clearly states that he was the apostle to the Jews. Galatians 2:8
Report Post »muddpuddle
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:21amDon’t you know it was the Catholics that were the cause of the dark ages. The took the Word away from the people when they translated it into Latin, and gave it in Latin only. It wasn’t until Martin Luther protested that the people began to receive what the Catholic church had bottled up. The Catholic church is all about power and money. The ultimate cult.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:44amI don’t know if Peter visited Rome or not. What I do know, is that Jesus Christ said: That Peter was the Rock that he built his Church on. Martian Luther was a heretic that refused to accept the infallibility of the Pope on religious matters.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:47amDiane TX
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:57am
I only believe in the Roman Catholic Church which began with Jesus Christ.
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I do not believe in a church. I believe in Jesus Christ!
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:01am@Diane TX
Report Post »I believe the rock was the principles of which Peter had just spoken. Not the man himself.
Melika
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:34amMuddPuddle: Speaking as a non-Catholic with a big interest in history, the answer is: No, Catholics did NOT create the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages was brought about by a combination of climate change (gasp! BEFORE the SUV!), warfare, political upheaval, and diseases (the last three being influenced by climate change). Latin was the language of ROME, and adopted by Catholics and anyone else living under Roman influence. Latin was the chosen language to unify all the disparate provinces of the Roman Empire. Much like today in America, we see the schism that is created when you subvert the primary language of a culture to make things more “accessible”. The educated could read both their native language and Latin, the typical peasant could do neither.
Report Post »As for knowledge, it was the Catholics (principally the Irish Catholics) who rushed to preserve the texts of the day, both scientific and religious, from the rampaging wars of the time. We owe much of our present day knowledge to these efforts, as our sciences were built upon these earlier texts. Catholics participated in scientific endeavors and helped to create the foundations upon which the Renaissance flourished (in which they also participated). Catholics are humans, which is why they make mistakes and have some bad leaders (Great Schism). Protestants were like the OWS crowd today – they destroyed to “create” rather than change from within and were used by politicians to shift power, for good or bad.
qpwillie
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:45am@Melika
Report Post »There is only one “protestant” church and that’s the one started by Luther. The others weren’t/aren’t protesting anything.
trolltrainer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:47amMelika
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:34am
…Protestants were like the OWS crowd today – they destroyed to “create” rather than change from within and were used by politicians to shift power, for good or bad.
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You had me till this line. There is some truth in what you say about Catholics, though I could argue that they did as much bad as good. But don’t we all…But now you do to protestants what you are defending Catholics against? Really? I think the biggest problem with Catholics AND Protestants in this time period was the mix of religion and politics. There were good men of faith in both camps and there were power-hungry evil men also. Such is the way of the world.
qpwillie
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:52am@Melika
Report Post »The Catholics came up with the term “protestant” to imply that they are THE ONE and everybody else is in protest of the “only real church”.
jcldwl
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:53amThe Catholic church was started by the Romans who then perverted the faith with paganism to encourage others who were pagans at the time to come into their church. They needed to get everyone to agree to follow that faith so they, The Romans could control them. If the Catholic faith would get rid of the false gods they worship and teach the bible and follow the teachings of Christ then they would be a true Christian faith. But as long as they continue to worship and pray to false gods then they continue to violate God’s Commandment of not having any god before Him and not worshiping false idols. For those of you who are Catholic please read the Holy Bible for your self so you know the truth.
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Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:52am@Melika:
Good post. I’ll stand with you any day of the week.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:45pmDiane..Matthew16:15 :-17 Jesus asks Peter.. who do you say that I am? Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus said, And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome You see Diane..the Catholic teaching is that Peter denied Jesus 3 times yet turned around and built his chuch upon him..Jesus didn’t come to earth to build his church on Peter..He said that the body of believers..your body..my body is the temple..the church. not some manmade religion. Believers are the temple of God in which the Holy Spirit resides. Because my other post to you had not posted..I will repeat myself.Please read 1 Cor 6:9 It relays who will not enter the kingdom of heaven..idolaters are listed among them..they withhold the truth from you saying that idolatry is love of self..look up the definition on the internet..and check out the first 2 of the 10 commandments..
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:08pmDiane, being a catholic for most of my life, these folks he are only telling you the truth. I spent 46 years as a practicing catholic, and finally found the Truth in Jesus Christ becoming born again 7 years ago. I was schooled for 12 years including being an altar boy. Catholic are not taught the Bible at all. I have never seen a Bible in a catholic church. You are being duped by your priests. The pope is infalliable. Only Jesus is. The pope is not the holy father. Only God is. The pope is not the vicar of the church. The Holy Spirit is. Worshipping idols like Mary and the saints breaks the 1st & 2nd commandment. It is idol worship. There is no purgatory and no where in the Bible is there a purgatory. Praying your family and friends in to heaven after they are dead is not biblical. More gross is the catholic church saying you can give money and indulgences to get your family into heaven. It is a hoax. Why would you ask a priest for forgiveness of your sins? What if he is a gay molester? Why would you ask a man to forgive your sins? That makes no sense. Why would a married couple go to an unmarried priest or man for counseling? It is ludicrous. The roman catholic church is full of homosexuality and all about money.
Here is your answer: Repent and trust in Jesus alone. Roman Catholicism believes in Jesus plus works. The Bible says trust in Jesus alone and you will be saved. Ephesians 2:8-10.
These folks live you here so listen up.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:51amComrades, why do I choose to start a comment with that word? You mean you haven’t learned your proper Communist salutations yet! Shocking!
Report Post »Remember the Newsweek headline right after Dear Leader was anointed “We are All Socialist’s Now”.
I figured we might as well get started!
progressiveslayer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:04amYou know what they say better dead than red.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:05amComrade, really? Certainly not for me, I throughly detest what is going on in this country right now and hope that Americans really aren’t sheep. Once you lose your liberty getting it back will be impossible! Not difficult, impossible!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:39amI share your sentiments as well,I knew what Barry was before he was installed,what I‘m saying is it’s better to die fighting for what you believe in rather than to live as a slave.Our candyass Marxist POS president never worked a day in his life and affirmative action paid for his communist indoctrination.Of Course president Bush was no small government guy either,he added trillions to the debt as well.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:52amI’m beginning to believe El Presidente father is Malcolm X…it would explain a lot of how and why he rose to the top. And it was the African Americans community (silly way to differentiate ain’t it) that brought attention to that thought.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:48amComrades in a perfect classless, godless, communist society, don’t do things like this, unless they want a prolonged stay in a gulag!
Report Post »My question is simple; Are we there yet? Like guns, there is not a “but” in the Constitution, only the one inserted there by Progressive Communists!