Limbaugh Blasts Ron Paul for ‘Running to the Left of President Obama’ on Iran
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Conservative firebrand Rush Limbaugh blasted Ron Paul during his radio broadcast Friday over Paul‘s statements at Thursday evening’s presidential debate. The Texas congressman said he would not sanction Iran even if the U.S. was privy to intelligence that Iran had a nuclear weapon.
“We never talk that way about the Russians, the only reason they want nuclear weapons is because we’re making them do it. It’s our fault! If you were in Iran and you had to face these evil Americans, you’d want to bomb too!” Limbaugh blazed.
Mediaite adds:
“Solid evidence!” Limbaugh exclaimed. “And yet you still would hold back US sanctions? And as a GOP nominee you’d run to the left of Obama on this issue?!”
“We don’t need another war!” Limbaugh ridiculed, lampooning Paul’s nasally voice.
“This was the highlight of the night for Congressman Paul, (there’s) memorable moments in each debate, that little exchange was his.”
Listen to the fiery segment below:
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jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:46pmRon Paul = Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/limbaugh-blasts-ron-paul-for-%E2%80%98running-to-the-left-of-president-obama%E2%80%99-on-iran/#comment-2468096
Report Post »marion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:16pmDo unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Think about it for a second. Muslims see Jesus as an Apostle level individual, no man can be the son of God himself, so they don’t believe this. Why do you think we had to learn the Muslim mindset in order to get Iraq straightened out?
The Muslims also think that they own all the land once controlled by them, so right now the Califate is simply loaned to everyone else until they take it back at their leisure. If you want to know whether a supposed moderate Muslim is moderate or not, bring up the topic of the Crusades and what the end result was. You want to talk about a grudge, be prepared to fight this one through, quite the surprise first time you do it.
And how and what is moderate in the eye of a Muslim? Our definition of moderate and a Muslim’s definition may surprise you a whole lot.
Isolationism on our part is telling the Muslims we surrender, and that’s their definition, not mine.
Report Post »spankadonkey
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmI have changed my position on Paul after his contributions in the debate last night. I had been opposing him based on his lack of accomplishments (other than talking) in all his years in public life. But last night he convinced me (and almost everyone I heard comment today) that his foreign policy stand is completely out of touch with any real appreciation of how the world works. I wonder if he isn’t perhaps becoming senile. How can someone who is not completely nuts possibly think the way he does?
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:24pmYes they hate me, but the only chance I have is to turn their hearts to the truth by loving them, even when they hate and curse me. I hope that the love I show will slowly reveal the truth of their religion of hate. Returning their hate will get us nowhere.
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:27pmLast time around I listened to rush about Dr. Paul. Then after the election and my vote for the lesser of two evils. I thought who is this Nutty Paul guy that everyone was talking about? So I looked into it myself on the internet. The more I read and watched, the more I thought………… I must be nutty too. I agree with 90% of what the man says. And he is always saying the same thing. Does not matter who is speaking too, blacks, whites, old , young, hispanics, etc. So rush you got away with it 4 years ago, but not this time. “We Will Hold Our Nose No More”
Money Bomb Tonignt
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:48pmlook at EVERYONE we are fighting right now. they are all direct results of our foreign policy since the 50′s.
but i guess repeating past mistakes and expecting different results is the portrait of sanity right?
Report Post »oh, wait….
paperpushermj
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:49pmThat presupposes you have no impact, no say or influence on what others do unto you. You become like a leaf in the wind….. with reaction you’re only option.
Report Post ».Ron Paul = Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
C. Schwehr
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:50pmWhen it comes to Iran, the saying should be “do unto others and they would do unto you”
Report Post »If that was really the case, Tehran would be a glass lined parking lot tomorrow.
And a note to Dr. Paul: I do respect your points on the economy. But on foreign policy you are dangerously naive. Stick to economics…..
rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:53pm“Ron Paul = Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
yeah the iranians are itching to do it to us….
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:55pmObama does believe in interventionism, so Ron Paul is NOT to the Left of Obama; And while the Left are opposed to American wars, it’s only because they are seen as pro-Capitalist, and they think that Capitalism necessarily leads to Imperialism.
But the fact is that our Founders were anti-interventionist, and the Republican party used to be, as well.
Also consider that we have been lied to in the past by our government about our wars.
See here.
Will Holder Fold?
http ://lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski277.html
And here.
The Gunwalker Scandal: Overview and Timeline
http ://rinosandrats.com/2011/09/the-gunwalker-scandal-overview-timeline/
And here.
Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?
http ://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan198.html
Also understand that the Marxist in Chief is working with former members of the Weather Underground, who said this:
Weather Underground Manifesto
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/43223/
“The goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism. Winning state power in the US will occur as a result of the military forces of the US overextending themselves around the world and being defeated piecemeal; struggle within the US will be a vital part of this process, but when the revolution triumphs in the US it will have been made by the people of the whole world.”
(Continued on next post)
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:58pmLet’s drop the big one now, carpet bomb the Islamic countries with tactical nukes. Let’s give John McCain a going away present for his last term in the Senate.
Report Post »Randy Newman needs to update his song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3WhHrrNgs
Wdawg
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:59pmI’m voting for Ron Paul, either as the Republican Nominee or Independent Candidate!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:12pm(Continued from prior post)
Our country BECAME interventionist because of Progressivism. They believe that “democracy” needs to be spread around the world – and by democracy I mean collectivism; Remember, we are NOT a democracy, but a constitutional republic.
Obama NEEDS to create chaos so he can increasingly clamp down on our liberties. He WANTS to force America into war with Iran. Please see this.
And please understand that the Republican Party has adopted the interventionist beliefs of Progressives – this was not part of their original platform.
When Ron Paul says he is to the Left of Obama on Iran, it is because he can answer either way, depending on the paradigm of the questioner: It is perceived that the to be a non-interventionist is a Leftist belief, but this is absolutely false; But to the extent that you believe this is true, then for brevity’s sake, it can be said that Ron Paul is to the Left of Obama (but only in this sense).
Report Post »Look for the truth
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:23pmThink Santorum
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:27pmSatan has temporary control over the earth, that’s who environmentalist are working for while Leftist and Muslims despise western civilization.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:32pmLMAO @ Rush. Hey Rush, read the frigging Constitution and the Federalist/Anti-Federalist Papers. Original intent is to NOT intervene, NOT act as the worlds police force, and NOT have the friigging US Government put American lives at risk with re tar ded warmongering Nation building and sovereign Nation leadership assassinations.
Grow a frigging brain Limbaugh. I suspect over the last year or 2 you’ve become a radical idiot.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:36pmHow do you reconcile the Golden rule with someone whose philosphy (I sometimes read the Golden rule as do unto others as they want to be done unto – a paraphrasing of Stephen Covey – none-the-less insightful since the original accepted precept of the Golden Rule still has “my” wants in the prominant position – i.e rather than determining what Ihe other guy really wants – any way I digress and can’t really come up with a way to expplain what I mean) contains so similar concept?
This is not meant to be a theological question so much as a practical one and still I realize it is difficult to separate the two – my human frailites struggle with the temporal and divine -
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:38pmInsane Zionist have hijacked the Republican Party! They‘ve never seen a War which they didn’t drool over even it means bankrupting the Nation and our children! They want more War for their Masters. It’s sick and disgusting! Treason!
KTsayz
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:49pmIraq was a made up war and Iran will be another made up war. The ‘Cold War’ menality persists and neocons don’t just need, but see an enemy on every corner.
“The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), an influential neoconservative think tank, publishes a letter to President Clinton urging war against Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein because he is a “hazard” to “a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil.” In a foretaste of what eventually happens, the letter calls for the US to go to war alone, attacks the UN, and says the US should not be “crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.” The letter is signed by many who will later lead the 2003 Iraq war. 10 of the 18 signatories later join the Bush Administration… The PNAC neoconservatives do not seriously expect Clinton to attack Iraq in any meaningful sense, author Craig Unger will observe in 2007. Instead, they are positioning themselves for the future. “This was a key moment,” one State Department official will recall. “The neocons were maneuvering to put this issue in play and box Clinton in. Now, they could draw a dichotomy. They could argue to their next candidate, ‘Clinton was weak. You must be strong.’”
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_482#complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_482
It’s history repeating itself and Americans refusing to do their homework.
Report Post »Presid
blue_sky
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:49pm.
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ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:53pm@SPANK.ADONKEY “But last night he convinced me (and almost everyone I heard comment today) that his foreign policy stand is completely out of touch with any real appreciation of how the world works. I wonder if he isn’t perhaps becoming senile. How can someone who is not completely nuts possibly think the way he does” Really? You think that man is senile when he corrected Michelle Bachman on her assessment that Iran was just a few months away on getting a nuke..Blaze even found that Paul was spot on. She’s what 30 yrs or so younger and an attorney? Paul was the sharpest one up there. This nation has been brainwashed into war..one we cannot afford..As of today..we are16 trillion in the hole..Who do you think is going to keep funding these wars. Paul was right..Sweden doesn‘t get attacked because they don’t occupy..Sure..that is how the world had been working because we do.. And why is that do you think..Heard of AGENDA 21? George H Bush signed into it in the 80′s..There was just a World Summit reported by YA Hoo ..see what they are up to. http://www.infowars.com/un-calls-for-eco-fascist-world-government-at-durban-summit/ Paul said he wanted war to be a Congressional decision..not because Hilary and Obama say so. He said get in a get out..or do you prefer Viet Nam..where The first Lady made money off medical supplies while Rockefellers got wealthier selling weapons to enemies….We are losing our freedom of speech SOPA and the indefinite detention just passed
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:05pmHow can Blaze posters NOT SEE what is right in front of their eyes?
Report Post »Our government has been preparing for the takeover and destruction of our Republic for over 100 years. These last 10 years has seen a dramatic uptic of our impending collapse.
They now have all the necessary legislation in place – the unPatriot Act, Military Commisions Act, NDAA – to build FEMA camps and kidnap and indefinitely detain American Patriots who speak out against their scheme.
They have the Ministry of War – aka the Dept of Homeland Security – with its SS – the TSA – to subjugate the ‘terrorists’ – including American Patriots, at will. No one will be safe from the wrath of the warmongering neocons and Marxists in the DC swamp.
They are legislating our Constitutional Rights away from us and no one seems to care; especially those who support warmongerers such as Santorum, Bachmann, and Gingrich. We have already lost our 4th, 5th, 5th and 8th Amendment rights. They are working on taking over the internet, they have funds put aside for a Natl ID card which includes DNA samples, they are working on nullifying the 2nd Amendment. And Newt has said we may have to end our 1st Amendment right of Free Speech because we have to stop the ‘terrorists’ from having any. As Beck noted, don’t you want to know what they are saying? If you shut down their communication we’ll NEVER know what they are up to.
And we are BROKE!
WAKE UP AMERICA!! The Republic is just about DEAD!
ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:07pmcontinued…that means that you can be walking down the street and dissappear..never to be heard from again..why do you think they have built FEMA camps? Does it remind you of anywhere else…Germany say? This has been the plan all along..you are playing right into good ole George Soro’s hands..I am sure that he has your best interests at heart. lol You know if Iran had a nuke ..the only place she would ever try to send it would be Israel.. and Iran would cease to exist. Paul wants to build our miltary here at home..he wants us to become a soveriegn nation once more. Other nations like China aren’t war mnoger and look how wealthy she is. We need God..our Constitution and a small government that we the people rule..right now they are in total control..but we are a failing nation…this could be the last time in history that we have such an opportunity to take our country back.. WAKE UP!!!!
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:09pmIf you care about the troops, please watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I8NhRPo0WAo
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:09pm@Ashes It seems to me many WANT to live under the thumb of a dictatorial regime. How else could the want a Santorum or Bachmann or Newt?
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:25pmIran, Iran, Iran, we are more concerned about Iran than our own borders that have allowed millions of foreign invaders to enter our country and cause serious damage not just economically, physically, and socially. What do people not get about the fact that we are over $15 Trillion in debt? You want to talk about going to war with Iran? Iran is not some little country like Libya. What about the fact that the Chinese and the Russians have both said they would aid Iran in the event of an attack? What would happen to oil if we went to war with Iran? Could Americans afford $8 a gallon oil? We are complete fools walking a path to destruction to be talking about war with Iran in our current situation and Dr. Ron Paul is a realist and realizes our situation. We need to step back, regroup, and refresh our country and deal with some of our own problems internally before we try to be the savior of the world which has turned out to be a disaster even in the best of times in this country.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:35pmI read somewhere that the litmus test for war should be:
1. Send your child to fight the war
or
2. You fight the war yourself
otherwise
Report Post »Don’t be telling others what they should do.
ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:36pm@KATSAYS They are probably comfortable with the business as usual..their eyes are just closed and they buy into the fear mongering while not seeing the imminent danger just ahead..They will be wishing that they had lilstened..but by then it will be too late.
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:51pmI find it hypocritical when Rush complains for 3 years about Obama spending us into disaster, but wants war? I am confused.. Don’t people realize war cost money… that we do not have!
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:55pmDarnit Rush, left of “Leader O”, really? Since when does Ron Paul want to dismantle our Nuclear arsenal? Forget this Iran issue people, the real reason everyone is after Paul is because he wants to dismantle the Federal Reserve, which will upset one hell of a lot of Apple carts (on both sides of the aisle by the way), so its easier to attack Paul’s stance on foreign policy by claiming Boggymen, Fire and brimstone, of course nobody wants that, but its not so easy to defend the Federal Reserve now is it? Rush, I’ve listened since 1992, and I don’t wear a Tin Hat, but I’m frustrated with all these people waving the Constitution, except for either this or that. Not Ron Paul, he’s real, and if I have to fall on the sword, for the Founders ideals with my vote, then so be it! We have been voting for the less of two evils for a long time, and look where its gotten this country!
Report Post »Anarcho Capitalist
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:05pmI’m voting Ron Paul because I have done my homework on FP and he is 100% correct. Time to come home. Time to stop sticking our collective fat nose up everyone’s butt. Time to stop acting like that nosy old bat that lives in your neighborhood and start acting like men. Be the change you want to see in the world. Stop letting fear and war propaganda rule your life and ruin the republican party and this country. Please you people, Time to wake up.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:06pmHey Spank, The world as it is today, is heading toward nuclear war faster than it ever has. You and people like you will be the cause of all of us dying or suffering from a nuclear holocaust! Yes, I said it, nuclear holocaust!! If the world continues to go down this path of, “I am bigger that you and I will crush you if you do not come toward my opinion on the way things should be, if you do not then I will come over with all my might and crush you! America is strong enough to lead the world. We are the only society that has experienced Individual Liberty, where the people have the say on what we do or do not do. That philosophy is almost gone. We as a whole have not had any real say in what we do as a Nation. It is controlled by the super rich, guiding our leaders to do their bidding in order to make them the most amount of money, while the majority has a hard time making ends meet. We need to lead with wisdom and Constitutional principles. We need to be the “Shining Star” again, but we cannot get back to that until we get back to what made that happen, the Constitution.
Report Post »Don’t any of you realize this? Rush is a Cronicapitalist that has a gift for speaking to people. If Paul is elected, they will lose their standing. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by putting down the only candidate that seems to believe in the principles that made our country great. Quit being fooled by the esrtablishment, they are not telling you the whole truth.
West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:28pmI challenge anyone to respond to my last post, anyone, chicken?
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:30pmBr@dley, When you lump every foreign policy together you make a mistake. Ask the South Koreans if they‘re happy about our foreign policy of stopping the NK’s from wiping them out in 1950. Ask the former East Germans, the Poles, the Czecks, and so many other eastern Europeans about how they are glad for our foreign policies that helped keep pressure on the Soviet sponsored regimes, and now they have freedom to determine their own fate.
Has everything we’ve done been good? No. Has some of it come back to bite us? Yes. But doing Nothing would also have had bad consequences. Some things work, some don’t, but to not try and help people around the world be free when and where you can is like slapping the French and the Spanish for helping us win our revolution; I’m damned glad They stepped in and helped us out, interferring with England’s foreign policies and their war against our independence. If Ron Paul had been king of France rather than Louis, we‘d probably have the queen’s protrait on our currency today.
We’ve had one-too-many Chamberlains in the world already, and 50Million died in that war. Imagine Iran with nukes in the middle east…/shudder
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:41pmOne thing that I see from this website. It is agains Ron Paul, it is against Gingrich. Every topic is one that casts those two in a bad light. You haven‘t and won’t see anything negative about Bachmann, although she doesn’t have a chance. But the door is being left open for Romney.
All you need do is scroll down the topics to see where this website stands.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:42pm@ keystone actually the only thing all of us agree with Paul on is his dismantling of the Fed.. epic argumental fail…..(most of us actually agree on his domestic policies)
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:46pm@ Emerys – yep
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:04pm@ Ashes… I understand your point. On one hand we need to do the “right” thing and on the other hand – the “end” is already determined and on the other hand (this is an octopus analogy) we have free will and a choice and on the other hand are we doing our will or His and on the other hand do I trust “mu gut” feeling, is it my “gut” leading me in the path of righteousness or is it my own path …hope you get the dilemma I find myself in…
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:46pm@KAYDEEBEAU Yes Kay…I do believe I know what you are talking about..I have had the same delemma myself..It is like Paul said..For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; but the Holy Spirit always gives us a way out..remember that.. When I realized what I was supposed to do..I still fell because I wasn’t wholly convinced in my mind..then when I was…Satan appeared to me to convince me to fall..still weak..I fell..but in falling it made me stronger because I haven’t fallen since..Because when we accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, it doesn’t mean that we have a license to sin..and just as the body without the spirit is dead so is faith without works. I have asked Jesus to live through through me and to let His will be done through me..I hope this is helpful..you are on your walk..you are honest and searching..you will make it… Just ask forgiveness.. repent turn awayfrom that sin..
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:55pmWdawg
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:59pm
I’m voting for Ron Paul, either as the Republican Nominee or Independent Candidate!
=============================
I pray that what you said does NOT catch-on. Having Ron Paul as our POTUS would put this country in extreme danger and could lead to the one of the worlds most deadliest wars ever.
Report Post »If you vote for Pual you are voting for DEATH!
Ogotstogo
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:09amLimbaugh is no different than Beck..they must bash those they disagree with even if they are supposedly on the same team, to protect their own universe sized ego’s
Why does Glenn Beck hate “birthers”?
http://www.reveresride.net/2011/12/06/why-does-glenn-beck-continue-to-bash-birthers/
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:40am@ WEST COAST
Report Post »I will respond to your post,
It is absolutely 100% the TRUTH!
KeystoneState
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:07amOk Kaydee, ya got me, sorry I wasn’t more specific. Be everyone, I mean the GOP establishment, and not your average Blazer. If they regain the White House, and Senate, you can bet they want to be able to pull those money strings.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 2:02amI know Rush isn’t stupid. I know he understands what Ron Paul is saying. But Rush is pushing an agenda and you’re eating it up. Talk about sheep.
Report Post »thetreyman
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 3:30ami see the neo confederates are out in full force.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 4:05amI’ll vote for Ron Paul, but I’m also able to say the guy made a mistake in the debate when Bachmann pitched him a perfect lob over home plate. Ron Paul could have crushed it, knocked it out of the park; shown her for the neo-con she is. The man should have been calm and collected, but instead he got flustered and didn’t give a clutch answer. Nonetheless, I still agree with his argument but he didn‘t get behind the principle’s of WHY non-interventionism is American.
Ron Paul should have stated:
Report Post »“Look Michelle, as much as you’d love to be able to have the power to go to war with Iran the instant you became President, I on the other hand would follow the constitution and let Congress alone have the power to declare war. Michelle, I want a respectable, responsible and truly accountable Congress and will get us there by not only by giving the people back the power of controlling the printing of money, but the power to declare war. My personal opinions on Iran aside, if the people of the US and their representatives want us to go to war with Iran, I’ll be behind it whole heatedly. It is up to the American people and their representatives, in the end, when the United States goes to war, not a President. Your view is not conservative, Michelle, it’s not constitutional; we’ve never advocated Presidents declaring their own personal wars, that’s only a power Congress has as you should know. Oh, and by the way you were incorrect about the IAEA report you cited as well.
GETLIFE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 5:12am“Ron Paul should have stated:….” (A CONSERVATARIAN)
Problem is, he didn’t say that. Brave and smart guy, but very culturo-centric and totally idealistic thinking everybody is going to play the “ok, let’s just be nice now” game. Sounds exactly like Obama, the Great Bringer of Peace. Trouble is, so many of us desperately want to believe in that dream world. These guys need to live overseas for a couple years–just about ANYWHERE overseas (where mindless American-style PC rules are not in use). Many people, whole cultures even, don’t necessarily view peace in the world, or even value life as Obama and Paul think surely they must.
Dangerously naive, or just plain dangerous.
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 7:52amThe only thing that will satisfy the leaders of Iran is martyrdom, so let’s give it to them.
Report Post »bhohater
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 8:15amDr.Ron Paul reminds me of Dr. Strangelove. Stop worrying and love the bomb.
Report Post »AZindependent
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 8:39amA Conservatarian That was a great answer, and I wish RP had said that in a calm, cool manner. This will come up again and again, perhaps you should send a copy of that to the RP campaign in an email. I know RP would agree with that, and it would be impossible for the talking heads (like rush and glenn) to criticize that answer.
Report Post »HumbleMan
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 9:02amMarion is right. Said another way: The golden rule only works when all of the players have the same value system and “thought process”. This is where Islam and the west collide. For them the very definition of peace is the total defeat of Western Civilization, and nothing less. This definition of peace should not be acceptable to Americans.
Dr. Paul mistakenly thinks the Arab world “thinks like us”. It’s not bigotry to state the present and historical truth. We cannot deal with the threat of Islamist jihad as though it has a rational basis.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 9:06amIf Paul were president we would still have a USSR and a Berlin wall
Report Post »Ron Paul
“I want to totally disassociate myself from the policies that have given us unprecedented deficits, massive monetary inflation, indiscriminate military spending, an irrational and unconstitutional foreign policy, zooming foreign aid, the exaltation of international banking, and the attack on our personal liberties and privacy,” he wrote in a letter offering advice to the Republican party: not a letter about the Obama administration — a letter about the Reagan administration
techengineer11
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 9:50amjzs: Once again a very astute observation. Very calculated.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:16amI have a hypothetical scenario that can be put to those who don’t like Paul’s foreign policy with Iran.
Report Post »REMEMBER this is HYPOTHETICAL so anything goes.
We have an extremist group in America that doesn’t like the trade deficits with China. It is ruining our economy and our country. These extremists decide to take matter into their own hands and hit China with something akin to 9/11. Their plans succeed.
Now. What would be the proper response from China? To send in their military? Come into the US and set up camps and road blocks and send out troops to search for these people?
After all, that’s what WE’RE doing.
TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:28am@AZINDEPENDENT Do us a favor then. Make sure you encourage your children and grandchildren to join the armed forces so they can die for YOUR beliefs.
Report Post »Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:46amAll the Blaze Monkies are hopping around screeching about a comment Ron Paul made and they don’t even know Ron Paul was QUOTING EHUD BARAK, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AND FORMER CHIEF OF DEFENSE.
Keep it up idiots. The country is getting looted and ya’ll are in-fighting.
SgtB
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 11:06amTo everyone saying that Iran is itching to turn us to glass and kill us, all I have to ask is why aren’t we a glass parking lot yet then? And also, why do you turn what a small minority of Iranians want to do into an excuse to take our nation to war again with another middle eastern country. I’ve been to Iraq and I was driven to serve after watching 9/11 happen live in my junior year of high school. But you all sound like you have some sort of blood lust. Why do you keep saying that we should turn Iran to glass without first suffering a direct military attack?
Are all of you really that zealous to go to war? My guess is that most of you saying such nonsense don’t understand the reality of war. It is death and destruction. That is it. Such activity should be a last resort, even after isolation. Don’t get me wrong now. If we are ever attacked by a hostile foreign military, we have every right to go to war (if Congress approves) and destroy their nation. But to wish for such a thing is simply delusional and insane. It is a child’s opinion that war is good and “fun” or that it can improve our economy and way of life. Nothing is further from the truth.
And remember, it is a similar group to you in Iran that says all Americans should die. I hope it doesn’t take the average citizen of this nation to have to endure a true war experience to gain an appreciation and fear of war that those who serve have innately.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 4:55pmRush is an oxycontin-head neocon moron. Pharmaceutical heroin has rotted his brain from the inside out.
He will transform into that pile of excrement from the 80s movie Weird Science and start making Jabba the Hut sounds into his mike if Ron Paul gets elected and we’re not thrown into a world war.
He needs to get rid of that overly expensive golden mike, because the garbage he spews is not worth that type of bling.
Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 7:09pmThank you for helping to pierce the wonderful facade Bachmann puts up. This lady is clearly lacking in the kind of even temperment a president would need. She also suffers from debilitating migraines, a symptom of a stressful personality. Bachmann has been hospitalized for her inability to manage stress which is a precursor to Alzheimer’s disease. The last thing America needs is a hair trigger personality in the White House.
AfricanWarrior
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 10:38amMarion, you clearly have no clue as to what defines isolationism, Perhaps if you were to have put forth the effort, you might not come off sounding as ignorant as a criminal drug addict like Limbaugh sounds.
Ron Paul has always stated clearly that we should develop our foreign policy around the constructive relationship of mutual trade, not acts of aggression or war.
Isolationism: The policy or doctrine of isolating one’s country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one’s country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.
If we truly believe no other nation is responsible enough to possess such a deterrent, then we along with the other participating countries bound by the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) must first abide by that treaty.
As long as we refuse to abide by the NPT we have no right to enforce upon any other nation that which we lack the integrity to do ourselves.
Article VI of the treaty holds that each state-party is to “pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament.” In 2000, the five NWS committed themselves to an “unequivocal undertaking…to accomplish the total elimination of their nuclear arsenals.” The five continue to retain the bulk of the
Report Post »Clara88
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 8:04pmWow…Ron Paul’s tea party money bomb is about to hit $4 million
http://www.dailypaul.com/192852/friday-ron-paul-tea-party-moneybomb-december-16-2011
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:21pmRon Paul is a racist, is out of touch with reality (he called Mark Levin a ‘statist’) and is supported by a cult so offensive I’d rather spend five minutes talking to Watchtower representatives than to any of his supporters.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:44pmOk this is not said as an insult but, what is the diffrences between an lib and libertarian?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:49pmThe main difference is that Libertarians like to say “neocon” a lot. Other than that – not much.
Report Post »OldMexican
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:50pmRe: Scout N Ambush,
Libertarians embrace the political goal of maximum liberty for all individuals. Liberalism is Fascism with a smiley face. Neo-conservatism is Fascism with a war face.
Do you now understant the difference?
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:51pmA Libertarian believes in limited government. A good example of Libertarians are our forefathers such as Jefferson and Washington. A liberal believes in a much broader role of government. They tend to support various forms of socialism, which is on the opposite side of the spectrum when compared to libertarians.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:51pmLiberals want government to control every aspect of our lives,libertarians want government out of their lives as much as possible.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:54pmlibertarians believe in less government involvement in all situations, domestic and foreign. Liberals believe in more government involvement in all situations.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:56pmQPWILLIE is way off. NeoCon was a term created due to the fact that a group who called themselves conservatives started acting more like liberal or democrats in that they began supporting big government programs which is contrary to the typical definition of conservative. George Bush was a NeoCon in that under his presidency the size and scope of government grew exponentially. Libertarians were the ones most greatly opposed to programs like “no child left behind” the bail outs of the banks and auto industry, and other such things that NeoCons seemed to have no problem with.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:59pmthe new republicans, or neocons, believe in less government involvement here at home, but want to rule the world and dominate all the other countries by force. They are in bed with the military contractors who are making a killing off of these wars. They send foreign aid and weapons to both sides. The old school republicans fell in line with libertarian views.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:59pmBig goverment – Liberal
Limited goverment-Paul
Report Post »bastone
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:04pma libertarian wants personal freedoms and responsabilities. a liberal wants gov programs for everything, and conservatives want to be tax free. they want a free ride.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:11pmThanks ,I agree with some of what i hear from libertarians here on the Blaze.So some of the social issues and military / foreign policy of libertarians lines more with liberalisim and atheisim?
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:15pmBastone
Libertarians want to be free of taxes probably more than regular conservatives. They don’t want anyone to have to pay taxes. The difference is libertarians can actually achieve this because they would actually cut entitlements unlike the lip service most neocons give like Bush did.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:16pmBASTONE if thats it i am a libertarian
Report Post »darkimagesoflight
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:18pmFirstly, Libertarian plays off the word “Liberty” not liberal.
Report Post »As for what the difference is, the biggest deal is Libertarian champions very small federal government and strong state governments. You can be conservative, or liberal, and go along with this philosophy. It would basically empower the states to make individual decisions regarding all the various hot-button issues. This is more in line with what the founding fathers intended, and allows states to make intelligent decisions regarding the specific needs of their citizens. This is particularly important when it comes to matters such as education.
I am personally socially conservative and would want my state of Ohio to reflect those values, but I don’t tend to agree that these decisions should be made on the federal level.
jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:21pmHow would Libertarians foreign policy line up with atheism!?!
Jesus said
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Turn the other cheek
Love those who persecute you
Pray for your enemies
It is the atheist view to be paranoid and make sure to look out for good old #1.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmWe have migrated from a two-party system into a one-party system, the big-government party. There‘s a democratic wing that likes taxes and wealth transfers and assaults on commercial liberties and there’s a republican wing that likes war and deficits and assaults on civil liberties. Neither of them is interested in true freedom. The separation of civil liberties from commercial liberties is what as enabled this to happen.Judge Andrew Napolitano
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:28pm@jmiller – that turn the other cheek argument works only if I am the one being harmed. If you hit me or disparage me, I am to tuen the other cheek, on the other hand if witness someone hittin or disparagin you, I am supposed to defend you – read this – http://www.maxlucado.com/articles/topical/why_does_god_allow_war
Report Post »provides a very interesting perspective. I will be curios to know your thoughts
jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:33pmI skimmed that long article, but I agree that someone can be justified in war, but Jesus taught us to go above what is justified and give grace where it is not deserved. I believe the spirit can give you wisdom when or if it is right to act in defense, but seriously doubt He would want us to attack others preemptively considering Jesus’ teachings.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:41pmAlso consider Iraq,
We were told that if we go in and give the Iraqis “freedom” that Christianity would be able to spread freely across their country. Look at where Christianity is today in Iraq. The numbers are way down and the remaining ones are openly persecuted and are fleeing because of how the Iraqis view Christians due to the war that killed off their family members. It is a losing battle.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:41pmMy Ron Paul friends we need to be correct on one point-NEO-Con
Liberal=Government intervention in social policy
Libertarian=Least amount of Government possible
Conservative=use to equal small social intervention and small war intervention. Very similar to Libertarian and is why Ronald Reagan said Libertarianism was heart and soul of being a conservative.
NEO-Con (New Conservative) was used for Liberals who sided with Republicans to intervene in Vietnam. Democrats began the term for their own Democrats.
NEO-Cons are for Government intervening in Social policy and intervening with the military around the world. NEO Cons are the full blown progressives, not just social or just military intervention.
This is how Progressives hijacked both parties. Conservatives use to be the last to react, last to intervene, thus ‘conserve’. Progressives hijacked the Dems thru Social side while Reps were hijacked thru military.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:46pmOk abortion, drugs,war, and seperation of church and state is what i was refering to lined with atheists I was trying to figure out why so many libertarians are saying they are atheists just trying to understand how these issues would be played out under a libertarian POTUS.I guess the bright side would be he wouldn’t be making a bunch of un constitutional executive orders.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:57pmThe difference between a progressive (old name being “liberal”) and a libertarian is quite obvious. A progressive believes in the state over the individual (top down control on EVERYTHING) and a libertarian believes in the individual rights over the power of the state. The libertarian believes wholeheartedly in the saying, “That government rules best that rules least”. They are at opposite ends of the government spectrum.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:03pm@ J-Miller – I basically agree with you. It is a “sticky wicket” dscerning when to act – some cases are more clear cut – I will admit that I struggle with determining where the line is between the camps of God helps those who help themselves and those who wait on the Lord. The article is well worth the long read – as are many of the other writings and insights on the site http://www.maxlucado.com/articles/category/topical/ another of my favorites is http://www.maxlucado.com/pdf/upwords.fellow-ship.pdf
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:21pmlibertarians pretend to be conservatives……but they are small government libs
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4DRZP9JgBA
scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:25pmDARKIMAGESOFLIGHT, Thank you for that explanation that is what i was trying to find out i guess i am a social conservative and can understand states rights importance along with limited govt is the cure for a large sickness that has spread like the plague thru DC.I understand why some of what RP and other libertarians say is near to my thinking THANK YOU.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:48pm@scout n ambush,
“Ok this is not said as an insult but, what is the diffrences between an lib and libertarian?”
These two resources will help you a lot.
See here.
War, Ron Paul, and Conservatism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUoWhWsOWk
And here.
Defining and Understanding the Left
Report Post »http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/definingandunderstandingleftmay2010.html
blue_sky
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:51pm.
Want to drain the swamp? Ron Paul!
Want your liberties back? Donate at RonPaul2012. DO IT!
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
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Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:01pm@RepubliCorp,
“libertarians pretend to be conservatives……but they are small government libs”
If by “small government libs” you mean “old liberals”.
See here.
Defining and Understanding the Left
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/definingandunderstandingleftmay2010.html
“As the perennial Socialist presidential candidate Norman Thomas once said: “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
(Continued on next post)
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:03pm(Continued from prior post)
“Toward this deceitful end, the left co-opted the name of “liberalism,” long honored in the West as the movement that had brought freedom, dignity, economic opportunity, and legal protections to millions of people who had been denied those advantages everywhere on the globe since the very dawn of history. Draping their programs and objectives in the glittering vestments of so-called “liberalism,” leftists embarked on the revolutionary enterprise of redefining, subtly and incrementally, what most Americans understood liberal policies to be. Over the course of years and decades, the leaders of the left championed crusades and ideals that bore ever-decreasing resemblance to the liberal causes of a prior era, yet they invariably identified both themselves and their evolving causes as “liberal.” Most significantly, they were largely successful in getting the media and academic elites to parrot their redefinition of that designation at every stage along the way. Thus, programs that were in fact leftist and socialist were enacted by legislators and social reformers in the name of “liberalism,” whose reputation for noble intentions served not only to shield those programs from public criticism, but in fact to win wide public approval of them.”
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:03pmKaydee
I commend your search for Truth, I am searching as well.
I don’t find God helps those who helps themselves in scripture, but I can partially understand the concept. God put us here to live in freedom and serve him, not just be droids who have no choice.
I like Lucado in a lot of things, he is a very good story teller.
The one thing that I feel is very beneficial in searching this out is to understand that God’s theocracy of Israel transitions to a spiritual people in the new testament so we must look at the old testament wars through the lens of Jesus. Jesus said that we no longer fight against flesh and blood but against principalities of darkness and the like.
The first Christians had plenty of reason to attack Saul (later Paul) but chose not to. This was a man that was coming after their people and murdering them. Love prevailed.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:12pm@scout n ambush,
Here is how you can reach the Left.
See here.
How to Reach the Left | Roderick T. Long
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hjO1ak4_M
Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:25pmWOW! I’ve never heard it stated like this — but you really nailed those descriptions in a few words! YES
“OldMexican
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:50pm
Re: Scout N Ambush,
Libertarians embrace the political goal of maximum liberty for all individuals. Liberalism is Fascism with a smiley face. Neo-conservatism is Fascism with a war face.
Do you now understant the difference?”
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:28pm@ Jmiller – I have found additonal insight watching on the cable channel Daystar a show called – The Jewish Jesus – it is a messianic Jewish Rabbi that shows how the Old Testament and the New Testament fit togetherr – hand in glove – I have learned many things as to how our Hebrew roots have so much more meaning looking at Jesus through the prism of the Old Testament Prophecy, Torah and the law. Very enlightening. I struggle with my will and being able to determine where mine separates from His. I know mine is the sin of pride and the idea that somehow God needs my help rather than the other way around. It is really hard to do and know what is His desire. I am so reminded of Paul’s own struggle (paraphrasing) I know the right thing to do and yet I still do the wrong thing We are in such trying times. I pray for the coming together of the Church (the whole body of Christ not a denomination)
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:40pmSomehow those of us “neo-cons: who can supprot Paul on all but his foreign policy and those “aPaulogists” who find no fault with him have to find that common ground to stem the tide that is Obama. I am 100% behind Paul’s domestic policies and in the ideal world, full of ideal people who just want to get along, I “get” Paul’s foreign policy. The sad fact is – we do not inhabit the world with leaders (Iran) who even begin to start from the same reasoned postition. Paul espouses the right utopian ideals that are just as far out of reality as the left’s utopian ideals. It will take several generations for the “masses”to again be the moral and virtuous people that the founders envisioned. Until then, we have got to stop – or at least slow down so we can catch up – the direction we are going. We got to this point by degrees. While I would like to just turn around 180 degrees, that is not practical
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:50pmDicover the Networks i had went there before researching george soros and his ngo’s but had forgotten the site thanks there is a lot to get my mind wrapped around.At least now i could vote for a ron paul type if that is what we get but i think it’s to late for elections to matter.I hope libertarians and conservatives are brothers and will fight for the country itself and the old liberty lovin conservative values that the grand old party used to believe in before pc ran rabid and people said we needed a mushy middle like lindsy grahm and john mc cain or the dem version leaning right still mushy middle joe manchin .
Report Post »PoliticiansRCrooks
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:54pmWhy are we worried about Iran. We have a muslim as president.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:37pm@KAYDEEBEAU “We got to this point by degrees. While I would like to just turn around 180 degrees, that is not practical” It is hard to make that turn in your mind..I found it hard.. At first I kept Paul in the back of my mind as a safety valve..I thought he might be the key to do the 180 degrees…then I realized we need that 180 degree turn..I study the Bible often..Read ZECH 12..13 and 14.. God himself will gather the nations to go against Israel..then Jesus steps in to save her and they will realize that they have pierced their own God..but only one third of them hold to their newly found faith and two thirds will be destroyed..then the third will go into the millenial kingdom counted with the elect.. Everything is in God’s hands..I pray His will be done even if Obama or one of these neo cons gets in.. because our demise will most likely be immenent.. I believe it will be a short time to the tribulation or A R M E G E.D D O N.. Paul is just someone who could bring us peace and prosperity and he is a doctor..he sees life and death..he’s been in a war and and is a man of God…hope you can see to do that turn..
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 4:08amQPWillie stop being ridiculous. Scout, lots of good answers you got here already… check these links out for little tests to take:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi
Report Post »All Pro
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 9:36amLibertarian = classic liberal. That’s what the founders were. That’s what Ron Paul is.
Report Post »Today’s liberal = progressive communist.
Today’s conservative = progressive fascist
None of them can argue about what I just said. Their owns words prove I’m right.
TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:23amLibertarians were the original Liberals. But the word Liberal has changed meaning much as the word ‘gay’ which USE to mean ‘happy and light hearted.’
Liberals today now call themselves ‘progressives.’ They change the name when the stigma attached becomes to controversial.
Liberals are socialists.
Libertarians are social liberals (true meaning) meaning that they do not want to push their beliefs on others through laws. It’ a live and let live attitude. As long as what YOU do doesn‘t go against someone else’s rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You make laws for murder, theft, etc because that takes away and harms someone else. If there is no victim, then there should be no crime.
Liberals on the other hand (todays meaning) want to make laws on everything and control every aspect of a person’s life to fit their beliefs.
Report Post »Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:48amRon Paul was QUOTING EHUD BARAK, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AND FORMER CHIEF OF DEFENSE.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 11:22amA classical Liberal and Libertarian are basically the same. At least, that is the opinion of minds like F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman. In today’s sense however, the Liberal and Libertarian have little in common. The Libertarian believes in a specific set of human rights that govern all human interaction. If you do not violate these natural and inalienable rights of others then you are living inside the law. As soon as you violate the rights of others, you are living outside the law and others have the right to defend themselves. In anarchy, this would mean basically that you can just kill people for violating your rights. In a Libertarian gov’t however, there are courts because they better preserve everyone’s right to life which is the epitome of human rights. Of course, in a Libertarian society, the individual never loses the right to defend himself by deadly force when needed.
Liberals on the other hand, do not hold a strict view of human rights. To them, these rights are changing and fluid and depend upon who is in gov’t control. To them, it is just fine to say that every person has a right to life and they take this to mean that everyone has a right to be fed, clothed, and housed. This of course means that those who do not keep themselves, must be kept by the rest in society. This creates the welfare class that in effect is a mortgage on those who do work. This means that one class loses its freedom to another. That is a strictly NON-Libertarian thing.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on December 19, 2011 at 4:27pmLiberals are brainwashed by Marxists, Liberatarians are brainwashed by Ron Paul.
Report Post »Goodgriefgeezlouise
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:44pmI wish someone would have followed up with the Adolph Hitler question..Would Ron Paul have sit by and watched Hitler in the same manner as Iran..Same hate filled rhetoric coming from a madman..The isolationist view can only go so far..It appears to me that his views on the way wars are fought and won have been tweeked a bit by his experience in vietnam..That was a difficult time for those who served..But the answer is not isolationism..Jmho
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:48pmhey, didn’t prescott bush help fund hitler?
Report Post »OldMexican
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:54pmRe: Goodgriefjeezlouise,
I wish someone would have followed up with the Adolph Hitler question..Would Ron Paul have sit by and watched Hitler in the same manner as Iran.
The US actually did. If you REMEMBER, the US went after Germany only after Hitler declared war on the US. Paul would’ve done the same.
Same hate filled rhetoric coming from a madman.
Report Post »MANY madmen have come and go, yet the US did not go after them. Pol Pot was actually encouraged by the US to fight the Vietnamese, later becoming one of the worst mass murderers of all time by proportion of the population he wiped out. You seem to possess the history that your 3rd grade tacher taught you.
Captain77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:58pmYour bringing up Adolf Hitler is Ironic in that much of the war he caused was brought on as preemptive war. Perhaps thats why they didn’t bring up Hitler because they knew Ron Paul would school them once again, like he has time and time before.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:59pmAh yes Bradley how right u are. but republicans would call that a conspicary theroy. lol Rush just like Newt is a draft dodger. and talking heads are more than happy to send the sons and daughters of america to die in some hell hole but when it comes to them nope. newt says what diffrence can one man make? lol rush is a bought and paid for tool who pops oxys like peez
Report Post »4321
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:01pmHow can you bring Hitler up into this? So let me ask you this How many US young men and women should die in a country like Iran for the US to get it’s point across.Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy (1821) Maybe befor sending us into war we should see what our founders would have done
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:07pmWe sat back and watched Lenin and Stalin slaughter 50 million didn’t we? lol Why didn’t we try to stop them? Instead we ally with them in order to destroy a Nation which had done far less evil than our ally Russia. Why? Glad you asked. Because Jews were in charge in Russia up until the very end of Stalin’s reign. That’s why we sat back and watched this most diabolical regime ever on the face of the earth slaughter all of its people.
Yet when the Jew was mistreated in Germany all hell broke loose right? It was evil. Wicked. The Nationalists had to be stopped. They had no right to a Germany without Jewish rule did they? How dare Germans think that they could run their own Nation right? lol
You people have so much to learn.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:09pmI hear what you are saying – It pretty much started in Korea – the idea of a “nice polite” war – where we no longer fight to win but to contain. You cannot fight that way – you either go in with the notion to annihilate the enemy (and the civilian sympathizer supporters) or dont’ bother. If we had fought WWII the same way we have approached every subsequent war – we would all be speaking German or Japanese. Want to see the rules of engagement in stark action? Watch a show on the cable channel G4 called Bomb Patrol – it follows a group of our military around Afghanistan as they go around the same places over and over diffusing IEDs- all the while trying to accomodate the Obama doctrine of appeasement – knowing full well that the Afghani citizens our soldiers try to keep out of the line of fire are aiding the bomb builders . Untie their hands . Lincoln through General Sherman had the right idea about the way to defeat the enemy – leave no quarter. Wars aren’t supposed to be polite – we should have been done iwith what needed to be done in the middle east in 6 – 8 months,
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:06pm>>>“Would Ron Paul have sit by and watched Hitler in the same manner as Iran”
Adolf Hitler’s ally Japan ATTACKED the U.S. and then Hitler declared war concurrent with that attack & started sinking our ships. So the war against Japan and the Germans was a case of *self defense*.
Iran has never attacked us. It is not a case of self-defense and we have no more right to go over there and kill ~100,000 innocent men, women, and children than I have to take my gun and shoot my neighbor.
Killing is only justified in cases of self-defense when you’ve been attacked. No other time. (Do you want to see more scenes of the youtube video where a girl’s jaw was blown off, and dozens of dead children were lined up in a row, because of OUR bombs.)
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:24pm@theaveng.. a repost to another comment …that turn the other cheek argument works only if I am the one being harmed. If you hit me or disparage me, I am to turn the other cheek, on the other hand if I witness someone hitting or disparaging you, I am supposed to defend you – read this – http://www.maxlucado.com/articles/topical/why_does_god_allow_war
Report Post »provides a very interesting perspective. I will be curious to know your thoughts
RepubliCorp
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:29pmTHEAVENG so we should want until a few cites have been vaporized…even if the writing is on the wall?
Report Post »Paul is a kook………
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2011/09/30/ron-paul-cair-and-the-aclu-agree-killing-al-awlaki-was-wrong-2/
techengineer11
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:36pmtheaveng: Did Japan have any provacation which would warrant an attack upon America?
What would you consider a provacation? Such as Sadaam killing Kurds in his country? A food blocade? Oil embargo? Money or arms to your enemy? Anyway, was Japan provoked in any manner?
I‘m sure you’ve read the new information which has come to light about FDR and Pearl Harbor right?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:46pmtypo wait
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:29pmHitler reacts to Ron Paul’s rise in Polls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScPXDRcIfc
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:26amKaytee, That article and the versus from the bible are more like Ron Paul than I am thinking you give credit for. Paul is not a pacifist like many would like to label him. He talks all the time about treating others as you would have them treat you, but he is not opposed to war if the situation is right as the good book says. He has said that war is the last option you should consider after all negotiations fail. However, he also makes it very clear that we need to follow Constitutional principles, which I and many others believe was the work of the divine, and put that test to the people through the Congress. Once Congress gives the declaration of war, then we go in with all our might, which the article states, is given by God, annihilate the evil force and then get out as quickly as we went in. That is Pauls idea of Natl defense. If a friend and ally needs our help and asks for it, Paul would ask Congress who work for the people from every state. Stop listening to the media. The philosophy of Liberty clearly states that you have the right to defend yourself and the right to ask others to help you. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:42pm1977 was t he last year we didnt have any kind of foreign opperation going abroad. 35 years of war, bombings, death. What do we have to show for it? We are hated abroad. Our allies dont even like us. We are broke.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
Does this seem like the plan we should continue. As Ron Paul stated before Iran has not capability of sending a nuke towards us. They dont have the tech, the fuel, or even the bomb at the moment. A more likely target is Israel as their target if they do happen to get a bomb. Trust me the Israelies have no issue turning Iran into a big sheet of glass to protect themselves.
Remember our “intel” said Iraq had WMDs. This same crappy intel is saying we need to do something to Iran before they get a bomb.
Wake up sheeple.
Report Post »Warrior4Zion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:56pmLimbaugh like Hannity Beck Levine and many others are lovers are Israel. They support Israel because God says Israel is chosen people. So we must bless Israel if we are to survive in America.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:13pmThese sheeple have ingested too much fluoridated water and GMOs to wake up.
Report Post »Their pineal gland is gone. It’s Withered away.
They don’t understand what the Military / Industrail Complex is.
Nor, do they grasp the concept of what they are; Neo-Cons.
Since we are the “Superpower” it is our duty to Spread Democracy.
Let us just be glad that China is the “Superpower” otherwise they would be obligated to spread communism.
Ron Paul knows we went into Iraq to finish “Daddy’s” war.
Anyone with half a brain knows we didn’t need to invade and occupy a Nation with a “Superpower’s” Military because 19 pissed-off middle-easterners attacked 2 buildings in NYC.
We should have done covert, special-ops missions to get Al Queda, just like we did with Osama.
Rush is either uneducated about politics and history or is one of the global elite minions, used to keep people confused, and to instigate blaming the other political party.
So Rush Thinks that the 44 REPUBLICAN senators that signed the Unconstitutional H.D.A.A.
#1867, are NOT Progressive RINOs that work for the ‘Corporation of the United States’ ?
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:38pm* Let us just be glad that China is NOT the “Superpower”.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:23pmHere is the what the front-page headline of my global elite owned, socialist, liberal hometown paper reads:
IRAQ: 8 years, 8 Months, 25 days
~~~~~~ WAR ENDS ~~~~~~~~
170,000+ troops in Iraq at the Height of the war.
505 Bases.
More than 1,000,000 troops served in Iraq.
4,487 American soldiers Killed.
32,226 American soldiers Wounded.
110,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS !!!!!!!!!!!! killed in the war.
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NOW, can you tell me that what we have done, was NOT overkill ??????
NOW, can you tell me that we haven’t caused a deep-seeded hatred of America and Americans
because of the innocent Iraqi civilians we killed ?
You don’t think their will be factions of Middle-Easterners that want to carry out a future attack on us because of This 8 year occupation ?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:00pmAnd any of those actions were directed at the radical islamsists who attacked us in 1993 (the first trade center attack) 2000 (USS Cole) 09/11/2001 how? We haven’t been in Iran since 1980 (Reagan’s inauration day). Look it up yourself as to where we had a military presence – none of our military bases justifies the radical islamist actions – In the arena of real history – the aPaulogist argument fails miserably. As another poster posited, Lebanon – again was it the Lebanese behind any of the afore mentiioned incidents? No, it was not.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:05pm* The Bill was NDAA. S.1867
This bill gives the president and the administration the authority to detain “belligerent’ Americans indefinately, with no trial.
Detainees can also be tortured and in some cases executed.
This was passed on the Senate floor with 93 yeas and 7 nays.
There are only 3 Republicans, 3 Democrats and 1 Independent that should remain in the Senate.
(R) Paul Rand – Kentucky
(R) Thomas Coburn – Oklahoma
(R) Mike Lee – Utah
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(D) Jeff Markley – Oregon
(D) Ron Wyden – Oregon
(D) Thomas Harkin – Iowa
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( I ) Bernard Sanders – Vermont
I will be listing and posting the real patriotic, anti-global elite and anti-establishment
Report Post »Representatives of the House also.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:41pm@kaydeebeau
So, are you are saying we are justifyed in Invading and occupying a nation with FULL MILITARY FORCE because a handful of guys on motorized rafts with some C-4 ran into a navy ship, or a handful of guys attempted to take down the towers?
This was no ‘WAR’ in IRAQ !!!!
Want a REAL WAR !!!!!!
Declare on CHINA or RUSSIA !!!!!!
THAT IS A WAR !!!!!!
This was the Military / Industrial Complex Doing what it does best.
Report Post »Taking Tax payer money to give to finance the MICs “war games”.
These “wars” are just R & D of their products.
They are also chipping away at the earths population. This is also one of the Global elite’s nefarious and clandestine agendas.
The Global Elite care about the Earth’s Population because of the limited natural resources; ( Not food and Water, or carbon emissions ) Natural Gas and Oil.
Thats is why they want solar, wind, and electric vehicles. the elite want to save gas and oil for specific purposes. They don’t want us lowlifes using it all up.
They could give a crap about the weather or earth. They know that man could not be a threat to the earth no matter how hard they tried. They are just laughing at what fools most of the public are.
They also call for a global “green” agenda, to tax us, and redistribute our money offshore, to poverty-stricken Nations, as reperations for “polluting” the planet.
This is one “paulbot” whose argument ( I prefer to call an intellectually stimulating debate ) does NOT Fail.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:05pm@KAYDEEBEAU
To answer your question more directly, We invaded Iran in 1952 and overthrew their shaw.
Also our Government has been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs since then ( Affecting different people, some directly and indirectly ) in ways you are not aware of.
We are also Allies to Isreal, and they are hated over there. That does not make us more palatable
in the eyes of the radical jihadists.
When I said Iraq was no war, I specifically meant, we dominated them.
Report Post »A REAL WAR is 2 strong MILITARY forces going at it.
A WAR is NOT a “Superpower” vs. a bunch of unorganized Islamic mis-fits, over the course of 8 YEARS !!!!!
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:13pm*(R) Rand Paul – Kentucky
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:19pm@ problem oh please. We didn’t go to war over natural resouces – we have more than enough of our own the info wars Alex Jones blah blha.. I am glad you are broadening your horizons by looking for other info here
Context is everything,,,my comments were in response to the aPaulgists who seem to opine that (in the same vein as Obama) the woes of the world are somehow our fault. Rather than go though it all again I leave it to you to search through the posts to find the full context of my comments (you will learn more that way) Any way , thanks for playing
Report Post »neoconenemy
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:28pmWarrior4zion….America existed just fine without the lunatic state of Israel and it will exist after it is dismantled.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:15amLet’s put all the semantics and historical irrelevence to rest, and get straight to the substantive, ultimate fact.
I just showed in my previous post how 93 Senators of 100, voted in favor of NDAA.
44 of those, were “Republicans”
Only 7% are anti-establishment ( anti-global Elite ) and RON PAUL is ONE of the 7% that can save America.
Ron Paul advocates know that all the other Candidates are the 93%.
The progressives and the global bankers have been attacking America for over 200 years.
I know the truth.
1845 – Common law abrogated by corporate law
1861 – Declaration of Emergency and Martial law allowing presidential executive orders.
( Presidents have been issuing E.O.s since then… nothing to see here, move along. )
1871 – D.C. is formed and the United States becomes a corporation.
1913 – The federal reserve act was passed.
1933 – The Emergency banking Act. The United States is officially bankrupt, and pledges America’s government, land and PEOPLE as collateral on the DEBT !!!!
1933 – Birth certificates become law in all states.
1936 – Social Security becomes law in all states.
These are Bonds, held by the receivers of the bankruptcy.
The receivers of the bankruptcy are the UN, IMF and the World Bank.
1944 – Bretton Woods Treaty. The UN gets official deed to “Corp U.S.” and have been running our Country ever since.
They are careful to disguise their secret, due to the obvious repercussions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:48am@KAYDEEBEAU
I never said They went to war to depopulate. I said I believe that is one of the benefits of these “exercise campaigns”. That aspect is debatable.
The Primary reason for the wars, as I stated previously, is to finance the global elite-owned, military and/or related, manufacturing corporations.
They have lucrative contracts with governments abroad, in addition to the “Federal government of the United States”.
No Wars? That means no more tax-payer money for Lockheed, Halliburton, General Dynamics, GE, and hundreds of other MIC corporations.
I have told you that the Islamic jihadists did NOT attack us because of their worldwide caliphate ideology. They attacked because of our Neo-Con foreign policy, and our Military / Industrial invasions.
Report Post »You are seriously promulgating your nescience and the degree to which you are bereft ratiocination.
Read my transcripts, and do a little bit of research into America’s history and Law.
You will learn something.
http://teamlaw.net/
Go to historical outline and American history at this site.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:22amkaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:19pm
“I am glad you are broadening your horizons by looking for other info here”
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That is laughable. This site is slowly becoming, not only a biased MSM outlet, but something resembling the ‘the national enquirer’.
Yes, I get some useful information here, but 90% of the stories are trivial, irrelevent, useless information.
I get more information from the posters here. My main objective is to try and edify people here.
I don’t come to the blaze to see videos of the mentos and soda car, or see the tiny feet of a stillborn.
If I want to see that crap, I can go to any of the MSM outlets.
They love to keep the masses distracted and Dumbed-down with insignificant garbage like that.
I am seriously disappointed with Beck, he still has a lot of learning to do about our government.
Report Post »He resembles a Neo-Con. I wonder if he even knows what that means.
techengineer11
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:07amProbIemSoIver: You are obviously an analytical person that is willing to bring facts and logic to the table; however, you far over estimate the intellectual abilities of your opponents. I’ve said many times on the Blaze that one of my greatest dissapointments over the past year or two was learning just how succeptable Republicans/Conservatives are to suggestion and propaganda and the degree to which they are deceived. I sitll believe the average Conservative gives much more thought to the issues than the average liberal but the bottom line is that as a Nation we have not been taught how to engage in critical thinking.
Anyway, I just hate to see someone as yourself looking for a debate in order to prove your arugments yet unfortunately you will not find any of these Neo-Cons that are capable of reason and debate. Even Hannity, Beck, Oreilly, Limbaugh, Levine, Bortz, etc will not debate you on the facts or merits.. They always use an emotional approach to garner support for their Wars never factual or logical.
Report Post »veruca salt
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 1:11amTechengineer,
Excellent post, sir
Report Post »Carpavel
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:42pmIsrael has a right to retaliate against Hamas when they Lob bombs at the jews … Just as any nation has the right to retaliate against those who drop bombs on them … RUSH ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID ? Or have the drugs just burned you out … former fan here who now thinks you are Passe’
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 8:37amfake conservative
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An Alex Jones talking point
KidCharlemagne
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:41pmRush Limbaugh is also another Vietnam draft dodger!:
“Draft Deferment: Vietnam”
Report Post »http://www.nndb.com/event/806/000140386/
Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:45pmrush is a complete tool. “running to the left of obama”?
Report Post »bret baier’s question was a glaring illustration of how afraid the establishment is of ron paul. they’re grasping at straws to their own discredit.
kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:54pmI am in no way shape form or fashion establishment – Paul’s foreign policy scares the heck out of me
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:00pmRon Paul is another Chamberlin “Peace in our Time”
BTW: How many years did you serve?
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:04pmi served active duty almost 9 years.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:08pmbtw, i was a mineman. i served on minesweepers, in the central arabian gulf. i have a little first-hand knowledge of how LITTLE A THREAT TO THE USA IRAN POSES.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:09pmLimbaugh like practically everyone else you will find on talk radio along with Media in general are rabid Zionist. The receive pay checks for their service you know?
Report Post »TeaParty_RonPaul_R3VOLUTION
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:11pmRon Paul served his country in Vietnam and has defended the constitution.
Rush Limbaugh is a draft dodger and never stood up to fight and when confronted with this question on his own show could not give a straight answer.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:13pm@Brad@ley
Almost 9 yrs? So what were you tossed out for? BTW 20 yrs, 1980 – 2000.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:20pm@Br@dley
BTW I served as a OPS NCO for the Pershing II (NUC’s) and aslo in the MI field, and still work in the MI field with a TS. I know what threat Iran really is.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:22pmi have a family, deployments are tough on families. anyone in the military will tell you that “the military isn’t for everyone”. you would probably know that had you the fortitude to serve yourself.
5 year initial enlistment, 2 2-year extensions, 2 month terminal leave. like i said, almost 9 years.
and i thought you fake conservatives supported the military and veterans, you belie your talking points sir…
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:48pm@Br@dley
Cry me a river. I did 20 yrs and you what to whine to me about how hard it was. We real consevatives support the military, because we were part of the military. What we don’t like are whiners.
PS Being on a minesweeper does give you “first hand knowledge” of Iran
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:10pmno, but giving area threat briefs to the commanding officer does.
i bet you never served. i’m calling you out sir.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:13pm(1) The guy above me is a big-mouthed ass.
(2) REAL conservatives support George Washington‘s policy to avoid entangling alliances and Madison’s warning that nonstop war is the greatest threat to deomestic liberty (individual freedoms/rights).
(3) REAL men don’t have to kill Iraqi, Afghani, Libyan, or Iranian children and then brag about it. Real men PROTECT life and avoid killing except as last resort.
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Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:14pmbtw, since you’re not really a veteran, that firsthand knowledge comes in the form of intel. you need a security clearance for that. this is information not disseminated to the public.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:03pm> THE AVENGERS.I
have to point out, that Washington never used the words “foreign entanglements” in his farewell address. That has been a decades long misconstruction of his last letter to the nation. He did ask why we should “entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition,” but he never used the exact words “foreign entanglements.”
That dispensed with AVENGER, you can move on to the assumed isolationism of George Washington’s address. What did he mean and did he mean it to be a permanent principle from which the U.S. should never stray? Do some research and you’ll find out we were a key player on the international stage before, during and right after we became a nation and then some.
Washington’s idea of neutrality was based in part on the complete inability of the U.S. to back up its foreign policy. But even in that case he did not say in his address that we should forever stay away from any foreign involvement.
Washington went on to say that sometimes we must form alliances. “Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture,” he wrote, “we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.”
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:23pmWOW. so washington didn’t mean what he said? instead he meant: “when we can afford to we should police the world”?
jesus, you are not very bright huh?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:32pmActually BR@DLEY, Jesus was pretty bright. Not a fan of Jesus BR@DLEY? Lol.
The rest of what you wrote is a circle jerk. Give yourself a reach-around and a pat on the back, lmao.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:20pmyour wit is piercing.
not worth an intellgent response as that would prove beyond your grasp.
good evening sir.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 5:52am@Br@dley
I’ll match my 214 with yours any day. I guess you can’t read, I said I have a TS clearacne (since 1984). When was the last time you saw anything classified? When did I, yesterday.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 6:22am@ The fake conservative,
Report Post »I don’t doubt you do have ts clearence, our corrupt government has been paying you SPOOKS to disseminate false info and talking points to keep the people confused and in fear, the average person doesnt realize our government has these ts programs in place, 30,000 employees in NSA alone, you giys are the real sleeper cells, you flood the blaze and anyother place REAL PATRIOTS gather to discuss the truth, than you start the disinfo propaganda on unsuspecting Americans…But I know it’s just conpiracy theory…just like patriot act, fema camps, indefinite detainment bill, building #7, etc etc
therealconservative
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 9:40am@ the_truth_shall_set_you -free
And you know all the “Truth” because you saw it on youtube or read it on some blog? Who’s speading disinformation.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:13amYepImaConservative: Trust me, theres not one fiber of virtue in this individual. I seriously doubt that he’s even an American.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:12pmTRUTH Obviously lives in a basement somewhere near Ruby Ridge with Timothy McVeigh tribute pics tacked on 1 x 4′s 16 in o.c. that was the beiginning of a finished basement with a bathroom built in but never quite got done. He decided he liked the darkness of the gray walls, and has an old coffee can to use when nature comes a calling. He gloms onto another militia member’s signal to get on The Blaze, lol.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:40pmRush is really saying that Rush and Obama hold the same foreign policy, Intervention. Rush agrees with Obama.
Rush is either stupid or lying about where Intervention aligns on the left/right scale. Intervention is MORE government.
Will Rush and the interventionists say the same about Saudi Arabia once they begin their 13 reactors next year just announced?
Total==============================================Anarchy
Gov ^
Constitution
^ ^
Intervention Non-Intervention
The one question an Interventionist cannot ever answer is this one: if Iran and Russia hate us and are working together to topple us, why does Iran not buy a nuke from Iran and nuke us?
Interventionists are irresponsible and arrogant people.
Report Post »NewAmericanist
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:15pmNice art work.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:30pm> Lmao @OPIE. Russia might help Iran under the table with a lot off different weaponry because they like the money and the poking in the eyes that Iran gives the U.S. on a regular basis.
BUT, Russia knows deep down inside that Iran is a rogue terrorist nation and would probably help Chechen rebels against them. Just imagine if Chechen Rebels got their hands on a nuke supplied by Iran… originally supplied by Russia…
Iran and Russia are close… but not THAT close.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:20pmPerhaps because the Russians are playing both sides agaisnt the middle? Perhaps because the Russians still have an agenda that sees an advantage to playing to the same old power struggle they have had since 1917 – hoping they can seize more power? Perhaps the Russians don’t trust the Iranians all that much but see them as a means to an end – i.e access to energy? Perhaps…the list is endless
Nice to see you again on a Friday nite Okie…
Report Post »Turin
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:38pmYeah, that crazy Ron Paul. Non-intervention is such a silly idea. It‘s much better to be sticking your nose in other sovereign countries’ business. Oh yea, who needs a declaration of war to attack anyhow? Silly old, outdated constitution. ;-)
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:43pmRush has it right. And this is the fundamental problem with every GOP candidate in the race. Every one of them has a ‘progressive’ skeleton some where in their closet which makes it difficult for ‘conservatives’ to weigh their support for any specific candidate, IMHBLO.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:50pmso NOT invading a sovereign nation based on congecture is a progressive trait? gotcha…
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:05pmconjecture. i am a horrible typist.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:38pmi am with Paul on this one.. if we need a war…. present the evidence to congress and DECLARE IT… then kick some ass.
throwing out the constitution and ruling/policing the world with an iron fist, just to keep the progressive (on both the left and right) war machine pumping for the military industrial complex, at the tax payers and freedoms expense is beyond foolish…. its suicidal…. and it will destroy our country, finish off the economy and kill a lot of honorable solders….
Rush is a water-boy for the establishment, don’t expect the truth or the Constitution to be respected when it goes against their agenda…
NO RINOS NO NEOCONS 2012
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:48pmOH yes .. let’s let the U.N. decide. Ron Paul is wrong wrong wrong.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:00pmwhere did anyone say let the UN decide ? as far as i know Ron Paul is against the UN, and considers their laws unconstitutional and a violation of our sovereignty.. what part of “the constitution requires congress to declare wars” do you not understand? if we need a war… present the evidence… and let the people we elected to make these decisions make them…
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:05pmNEOCON = LIBERAL speak for a conservative.
Report Post »american1st
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:18pm“NEOCON = LIBERAL speak for a conservative.”
not true at all!! NEOCON = “TRUE CONSERVATIVE/LIBERTARIAN“ speak for the ”big government world police progressive side of the republican conservative establishment..
Report Post »PatriotNAmerica
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmAll these so called conservative talk radio hosts are rabid Zionist. It’s so obvious where their loyalties lie by just listening to each of them for a mere 10 minutes. It’s truly disgusting! But they are on the dime. This is what they get paid the big bucks for.
Have you ever heard a talk radio pundit challenge Israel or Jewish interests on any topic? Any topic? lol
Stop this War now before it gets started!
http://youtu.be/6UXH84LE8Js
Report Post »Warrior4Zion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:36pmPatriotNAmerica: Duke is a bigger anti-semite than Ron Paul. You can’t believe anything DD says. All lies.
Report Post »therealconservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:53pm@american1st
Like I said LIBERAL SPEAK for a LIB
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:34pm@American1st
Excellent logical and factual points, articulated succinctly. Well done !!!
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:47pmI’ve had the unpleasant experience of coming to the realization over the year or so that many of the so called Conservatives on the Blaze are not that conservative and really not that smart. FOX, Beck or some other talkin head pundit makes a suggestion which sounds good to them at first and they run with it… Boy do they run with it.
I use to think that the Conservatives/Republicans were very logical deep thinking analytical people but I’ve had to throw that notion out after spending a year or so on the Blaze… lol
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:56pmCatb does not know what he is talking about
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 6:45am@ TECH ENGINEER,
Report Post »You are correct, some of them are very brite, so brite they are employed by our corrupt gov to keep the MIC machine going, the reason they never change their positions after facts and truth is because as gov spooks they are here to create fear and confusion in their posts..it’s really clear when you step back and look at it, here is my short list for a few of them here on the blaze…yepimaconservative, a real conservative, barber2, and garym, there are more and they usually give themselves patriotic names to blend in and hi Just like our gov does with things for instance calling the central for profit private bank “ the Federal Reserve ” or the unconstitutional “ Patriot Act ” but you get my point, just realize you are dealg with gov paid and sponsered trolls in the NSA. P.s my keep your eyes open they are actually easy to spot after a little while.
Naps
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:37pmIran…Iran…WMD’s……Let’s go in and find nothing….War propaganda…as usual. Sounds a little bit like Iraq
Report Post »Americans will not be satisfied until our Military is weakened to nothing,God people are so gullible it’s pathetic. Iran doesn’t even have an air force to attack us,and if they go after Israel,Israel will wipe em off the map. Yes…FEAR,the biggest manipulator,the biggest money maker,the biggest reason why our country will fall apart. Let’s start worrying about America,and leave the rest of the world alone.
and kudo’s to the blaze for putting out yet another Anti-Ron Paul article.
Wake Up America…before it is too late
kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:52pmLet’s just look at this “no WMD found scenario from a realistic perspective. Let’s suppose that you see a truckload of drugs being unloaded at your neigjhbors house. You call the DEA. The DEA calls your neighbor to say we got a report that you have a lot of drugs at your place and we are going to come on Friday to check. The neighbor says Friday doesn’t work for me, how about Wednesday. When the DEA shows up on Wednesday what do you suppose they will find? All of you who keep throwing up the old illogically tired argument that there were no WMDs seem to forget that the Iraqi gov’t stalled for a couple of YEARS – we know they had wmds that were used on the Kurds – what do you suppose Sadaam was doing in those years that we were stalled from investigating? – here’s a hint – disposing of / hiding the wmds
Report Post »ramses69
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:02pmkaydeebeau
Report Post »Your ignorance really terrifies me, seriously.
kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:17pm@ ramwhatever – so what is your counter to my questions / scenario? Please – that is the best you can do? Enlighten me, debate the point. Tell me your deep thoughts and logical progression of ideas – don’ t just do a hit and run
Report Post »CulperGang
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:37pmOh, puleeze Rush, you know we pizzed off Iran for telling“ a sovereign nation” what they can have what they can’t. Really who do the Western powers think they are? push around “nations” at will, or invade them and raze them to the ground for no other reason that land grab/rescources for the Oligarchs/Plutocrats. Rush your neo-con rah rah America doesn’t work anymore. Your neo-con politicians and their democrat counterparts DO NOT REPRESENT the real feelings of the American people or what they want their money to be spent on. YOU ARE ALL GLOBALIST dismembering sovereign nations for your bloodlust greed. You fools gave Pakistan the B…so who the hell are you to tell Iran “no not you!” IT SHOUL HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN TO ANYONE!!!
Report Post »Paul is right. We need to get the hell out of the ME and let Israel alone for her to sort out her back yard as she sees fit. The State Dept. is used as a stooge for globalists sending Americas youth to die while dismembering nations killing its civilians. THIS IS NOT WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR. You ghouls. Rush your day has come and gone. People are educated(politically/history) now to buy into your neocon dribble. Ron Paul is a WISE man and an expert at his trade. Your just a hot air pundit.
ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:59pm@YEP AND KAYDEEBEAU “Quit propogating that damn fairy tale that Ron Paul acolytes like to bandy about The Blaze and elsewhere regarding Paul and his “Military” donations”
Report Post »You want proof that the military supports RON PAUL…HERE YA GO!! FROM CNN no less!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Aue2yZAOs
kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:19pmcnn is hardly the bastion of reliability. Show me the financials….
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:18pmKAYDEEBEAU It’ on youtube…the site I provided..it gives the financials..It’s CNN on youtube. and as for 1011..I believe Paul was either 32 or 34,000 and Obama was in the low 20 thousand… Bachman Gingrich and Santorum I think were like 200 dollars
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:23pmKAY..Here’s the 2011 THe military supports Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfjdkPWw5mg
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:52pmthe youtbue is a report from cnn – again I say – cnn is hardly the bastion of truth. When I say show me the financials – I really mean show me the financials as in the financial reports filed with the IRS regarding financial contributions. I am assuming since I have to state my name and job position and the company I work for that there is some report (that can be obtained by an foia and no I don’t have to search for it – you have to convince me) that all candidates have to file so there should be a corresponding report re: Paul donors to confirm the assertion promoted ad nauseum. Repeating over and over without concrete proof is not evidence to support a claim
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:28am@KAYDEEBEAU The 2011 report wasn’t from CNN..As far I have known…CNN does not report everything and is why I quit watching them…but I had no idea that they did false reporting..I tried to find IRS fact sheets but was unable to find anything but how to report donations..here is one from USA today.
Report Post »Sorry I couldn’t accommodate you further..
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1
YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:36pmGotta’ love Rush! Lmao. I finally figured it out… the more a hysterical Ron Paul sticks his foot in his yap, the more press, radio, newsprint and internet (Blaze and others) coverage he gets. Not a good way for a Thrifty-Liberal-Quasi-(little-c)-Conservative to win the nomination of the Repulican Party, but at least he and his followers can‘t whine like Liberals that he doesn’t get any attention. LOL.
Obama/Paul
Report Post »2012, lol.
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:38pmlol
Report Post »martinez012577
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:46pm@yepimadumbass
Your posts are amazingly getting worse.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:47pmeverything i have seen you post is completely obtuse and myopic. your grasp on reality seems as firm as that of a nursing home occupant.
Report Post »My Faith
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:56pmYou actually listen to listen to Rush, a drug addict, boozer, racist, and adulterous and call yourself conservative? Bahahahahahahaha! What an idiot!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:59pm> BR@DLEY, your Mom help you with those big words? Lmao.
This what the Republican candidates heard at the debate last night……
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This what the Republican carpet Bag’gng Libertarian heard at the debate last night……
Obama/Paul
Report Post »2012, lol.
YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:02pmSorry, lol.
The Republicans heard
The Libertarian heard
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:02pmahh leave yep alone guys. hes a old man who hates everyone who isnt ready to bomb the middle east. he also hates the constution.
Report Post »Br@dley
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:06pmyeah, my mom helped me. grow up sir.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:06pm> WAKEUP. Go back to sleep. You boocoo dinkey dau.
Seems that someone has taken offense to me writing that the Republican candidates all heard applause, and the Libertarian heard… booes…
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmur argument is flawed from the get go.
Liberals want BIG goverment
Libertarian small goverment personal liberty.
there nothing u can say. weather im asleep or awake im smarter than u
You type some cute smart ass remarks but cant back anthing up. your a hater. you almost never post unless its to bash Paul. lol bitter old man
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:48pmThanks for playing ladies… Lol.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:58pmRush is clueless it seems about the NWO and AGENDA 21 They just met at the World Summit which was reported on Ya Hoo but most media did not report it http://www.infowars.com/un-calls-for-eco-fascist-world-government-at-durban-summit/
Report Post »Ron Paul did not say that we would never go to war..he said he wanted it to be a Congressional decision. Not like Hilary and Obama just deciding on their own.
Ron Paul said that Sweden and countries as such are not attacked..we are because we occupy.
Paul wants to build our military here at home and close our country..being that we are 16 trillion as of today broke..we could keep the competition and the jobs here.
We will be guaranteed our Constitutional Rights..our right to bear arms and freedom of speech which they are now trying to impede wiht SOPA and Indefinite Detention.
Paul will illicit the help of Peter Schiff..his Austrian Economics advisor to help this country be enriched again.
As for Iran and nukes..just a week or two ago there was a photo on the Blaze where their facility got destroyed..
Israel has said that she is fully capable of defending herself..Iran will go after her if anybody…she won’t survive.This constant war is being used to bring in the NWO..our government governing all of the world that she can conquer..you may think this to be a good thing..if you check out Agenda 21 which was discussed at the World Summit…they have big plans for us…and they don’t have our best interests in mind..
We need the Co
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:04pmlol not so smart and mighty now. when facts are in play. we are the furthes thing from liberals. hell its republicans and dems that have teamed up. we are what most of the founding fathers were.
Libertarians!
(which is word play on Liberty not liberal)
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:21pmLol. WAKEUP. I didn’t see you put any facts into play, boredom set in, I took a nap, had dinner, watched some TV, came back and still didn’t see any facts by you put into play.
Call me when you have some facts to put into play… as you say. Lol.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:52pmFact you think Libertarians are about as close as you can get to being a Liberal. thats why u say Obama/Paul 2012. But your wrong. In fact that is rather foolish. Because Libertarians are the closet thing to our founding fathers and are for PERSONAL LIBERTY. SMALL GOVERMENT. Liberals are for BIG GOVERMENT. And telling people how to live their lives. And as I said the word Libertarians is a word play on Liberty. So your constant calling and comparing of Libertarians to Liberals is almost a oxy moron. Those are the facts, And I have read ONE post of yours (that was from tonight) where you didnt BASH Ron Paul the champion of liberty. So you are a 99% hater. IE bitter old man. Who does not know the diffrence between a Libertarians and a Liberal.
Good Night!
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:36pmburntout
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/limbaugh-blasts-ron-paul-for-%E2%80%98running-to-the-left-of-president-obama%E2%80%99-on-iran/#comment-2468096
please watch and realize that Ron Paul recieves more money and individual support from our military than all the others combined. Trust our troops or some guy that is part of the media, you decide
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:42pmthey dont care that our military supports Paul. they only care about our military when they are off getting killed. what they should realize is that our military is sick of fighting these wars. but most of the main line republicans are just like newt. newt got called to sign up for the war in vietnam and said no. what diffrence is one person going to make he said. there are punks when they have to do something but more than willing to send the sons and daughters off to fight and die.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:17pmSheesh. As I posted above and dozens of other times…
Quit propogating that damn fairy tale that Ron Paul acolytes like to bandy about The Blaze and elsewhere regarding Paul and his “Military” donations.
What any person with common sense knows about Paul zealots is that they seem to have a lot of time and money on their hands it seems, not to mention they are the geekiest of geeks when it comes to the internet. Take that with dubious intentions that Paulestinians always display with skewing this and that on-line and more… and it’s game on for the Paulies.
Ron Paul supposed “Military” donations is an on-line ruse. You can go on-line and make a donation to Paul under $200.00 and state whatever the hell you want as an occupation (like Military). Now don’t tell me that little self serving Paul supporters could never DO SUCH A THING… IT’S ALL ABOVE BOARD!!! Lol. disingenous Paulies have been playing this game for quite awhile and it‘s actually pretty slick until it’s looked at just a bit closer. I’m going to figure you are pretty smart there guys, so you go with this and put two and two together, then add a teaspoon of BS, then you will have your real answer. eh? But I believe you know the answer, but just like to propogate the BS.
Obama/Paul
Report Post »2012, lol
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:02pmAgain YEP you couldnt be more wrong. I know you dont click on links but go to youtube and type in military vets support Ron Paul.
And to let you know how wrong you are http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-receive-most-military-donations
That right there says the FEC (the federal election commision) reported that Paul got the most money from military donation. than the rest of the candidates combined. It also says that you YEP are a constant liar and anti-constution.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:38pm@ WAKEUPUSA2012 – funny thing is I do click on the links – I only find references to other references to Paul’ss own comments that he get more military donations than any other… so again show me the actual financials (as in those pesky little financial reports that are required by the so instrusive gov’t regarding campaign contributions) rather than a citation from the Digital Journal – what is that – your uncles blog?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:55pm> WAKEUP. Go back to sleep. You can post whatever horse shiite you want… to include links ’till the cows come home, but like I wrote… it’s all about the money (military occupation ghost donations, lol) and what is or isn’t, does or doesn’t have to be verified by the FEC… under $200.00… occupation as an example. The Devil is in the details (or not) so to speak… under $200.00.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:07amlol yall cant stand it can u? he gets over 6 million from the military alone. you just wanna glass parking lot the whole world. God help us.
Report Post »Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:44amHere we are at Stupid Central where all the Blaze Monkies are hopping around screeching about a comment Ron Paul made and they don’t even know Ron Paul was QUOTING EHUD BARAK, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AND FORMER CHIEF OF DEFENSE.
The Blaze Monkies get all fired up when “Can-I-get-a-Rush” druggie calls them to court.
Keep it up idiots. The country is getting looted and ya’ll are in-fighting.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 11:51amYepImaNeo – you’re starting to look a little frazzled in your posting :) Too many Ron Paul fans to tell what for? Haha, ah well, one of these days, you too will see the light. You still have too many brain cells left and I doubt you’re being paid to think one way or another.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:35pmyes yes we should kill em all. we should have more wars. maybe that will help our economy. maybe we should send more of our sons and daughters to die in some horriable hell hole. rush go pop some oxys.
Report Post »PatriotNAmerica
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:25pmWe must stop the War drums now!
http://youtu.be/6UXH84LE8Js
Report Post »Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:54am2012 Is About Abolishing Slavery In America
We’re on the verge of abolishing slavery in America.
Ron Paul’s aim is to abolish the debt slavery & tax bondage of the FED/IRS Complex.
Over the last 100 years of slavery we have gradually lost most of what America set out to be, do and have.
We are not free. We are slaves.
Force people to put aside all of the non-essential issues and focus on abolishing slavery.
Let’s start there.
Our first priority is to regain our liberty, peace and prosperity.
This is the narrative, the context for all of my campaign communications with others. It shuts down all of the nattering and competitiveness over the flavor-of-the-month candidates.
No other candidate is cognizant of, or focused on abolishing the crushing debt slavery and tax bondage as a social issue.
Without our liberty, nothing else matters.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
Report Post »- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
SUMTHINSTINKS
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:34pmRush is Right! He also did an Excellent impersonation of Ron Paul….
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:12pmOur military veterans, of which I am one, disagree with Rush, and wouldn’t their opinion really be the one that matters? More active duty military contribute to Ron Paul than any other republican candidate combined. Doesn’t that tell you anything? So who do you respect and listen to more? A man who has never served in any branch of the military, or those who have stand or are still standing on the line for you? Everyone is so damn anxious to go to war, yet are so blind to the cost, thanks to our media. When was the last time you saw a casket of dead soldiers coming home? When was the last time you saw the image of a widow or child being handed that flag from their casket? When was the last time you saw images of those who didn’t die, but are permanently scarred and disfigured? How many families have been torn apart due to a fathers or mothers absent, or due to them dealing with PTSD. And what of the Iranian people? What of their children? Do you really think our bombs can tell the difference between soldier and citizen? Are not the pictures of Iraqi children missing limbs not enough for you? What, you need to add Iranian children to that mix also. All of you war hungry, get them first people sicken me. You speak big but risk nothing, ignoring the voice of those who ultimately pay the price: Our men and women in uniform. I know the price. I’m a veteran, as is my brother, father, grandfathers, father in law and three brother in laws. Our voice is greater than
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmfunny except for the claims of the aPaulogists, I find no evidence to support the claims of “more military support Paul / donate whatever than any other candidate. Proof please & by proof I don’t mean links to blogs or opinion pieces with the same cyclical mentions…
Report Post »brntout
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:08pm@CAPTION77 really? Answer my rebuttle idiot.
Report Post »libertarian8586
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:33pmEVIDENCE OF PAUL’S MILITARY DONATIONS:
Report Post »http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/jul/23/ron-paul/ron-paul-says-members-military-have-given-him-far-/
kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:11pm@ libertarian8586 I could almost fall for your “proof”except for the “headline” in the title of the link you provided…. “ron paul says… failure to provide proof….same as me providing “proof” of my own assertions by providing links to any of my previous posts
Report Post »nationalcalvin
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:56pmJust because he gets more donations from the military, that doesn’t mean that a majority of them support him. I like Ron Paul, but I disagree with his foreign policy. It’s not unreasonable to think that the Iranian Government is unreasonable. I do agree that we should close alot of our foreign bases. Out of the three frontrunners I do believe that Paul is the best candidate, but that’s not saying alot.
Some of the supporters here make it more difficult to support the man though, especially the anti-semetic ones.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:33pmWell now I know why I can not support this man.Given a direct scenario he still says it’s our fault?Are you kidding me? They have a nuke and you know they will use it to further their stated objective to Islamize the entire world by taking out the Jewish nation first. You said Israel has three hundred of them ,based on what? They have denied for years they don’t have nukes,so where did you get that number from? They sure as hell wouldn’t make you privy to that even if they did have any,again they deny posessing any.Fruit bat is too kind a description for the danger you would be in foreign policy. My biggest fear is this guy goes third party and his devout Paulies vote in his general direction and hand Obama another four years to finish destroyin what he says he wants to save.Oh the irony.
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:23pmHave you served in the military? If we were to go to war with Iran, would you join our troops on the ground? Do you give a damn about what our troops think about all these wars going on? By immense measure, our troops support Ron Paul over every other candidate combined, and yet hear you are saying Rush Limbaugh, a man who has risked nothing for this country, is more right that those who have fought, bled and died for it. Stop listening to the chicken hawk and give a listen to our veterans who are still in the service. You know, the ones who will have to pay the price for your pro war attitude.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:59pmYes,yes I have.That‘s why I’m one up on you more than your inquisitive mind can handle.You think that is a logical response ,so be it.If your a Paulie don’t even go there .I’ve been to Spain,Italy ,Turkey,Germany and a host of American tours where we weren’t considered condusive to the local economy.That aside,what the hell do you know that I don’t?Just asking.You seem to have the answer so give it to me.
Report Post »Jude 4
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:30pmTypical straw-man and prevarication by Rush.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:30pmDo you like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I8NhRPo0WAo
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:28pmJust wait until the Chinese own us because our overspending, and they think, “I bet you anything those Americans will attack us first chance they get. Why are they so upset at us, it was just a drone flying over their country? We better tell them what weapons they can and can’t have, they hate us because we are communists, not because we have been messing with them since way back.”
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:25pm…..Bless those who curse you…. somebody said that. Oh well, I’ll just listen to what Rush says, that’s much better.
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:23pmRon Paul is right!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:37pmso exactly how is you use a dimplomatic course on a person such as the Pres of Iran (can’t spell his name) ? You can only negotiate with somone who values at least soemthing that you do. I for one a pretty darned tired of the idea that what we do or did in anyway shape or form contributes to what Iran and the radical islamists do or have done.
I want just one aPulogist to explain to me how, if our presence in islamic lands is reason to attack us can explain what were we doing or where were we “occupying” in 1993 that justifies the first bombing of the trade centers, I want to know where we were and what we were ddoing that was so offensive to the islamists in 2000 for the USS Cole attack, where were we and what were we doing in 2001 that justifies 9/11? WE had no bases (except Bahrain and the UAE by permission from their governments to use their ports etc). Are you aPaulogists somehow saying that the radical islamists have a claim on Guam, the Phillipines, Great Britain, France, Kosovo (I’ll let you look up the location of the rest of our military bases in 1993).
They do not hate us because of what we do or where we are – they us us becase we breath – period. Listen to their own imams and the words of Pres of Iran for crying out loud – they mean what they say and will do what they say if given 1/2 a chance
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:45pmkaydeebeau we were in Lebannon some years before 93 bombings. so there u go
Report Post »Warrior4Zion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:01pmRon Paul is an anti-Semite! America must stand with Israel or the West will fall. The Bible says Israel was Chosen by God to rule the earth and that people that bless Israel will be blessed but those that don’t bless Israel will be cursed. America has got to get back to following the Bible and standing with God’s chosen people.
Rush, Sean, Glenn, Mark, Oreilly, and the other pundits are right. We must protect our ally Israel.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:08pmanti-semit>? lol cause he wont send our money to a wealthy country when we are broke? lol its one of the main points of zionism to realy on no one but yourself. to take care of youself. Ben N has said many times they do not need our help. but u worship the state of israel like a tard. I stand with the people of israel not the goverment.
Report Post »Warrior4Zion
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:33pmWAKEUPUSA2012: Have you not seen the commercials on FOX News with the Rabbi? The Jews in Israel are starving to death because the Gov’t has to spend all of its money on the military in order to stop the terrorism. Israel needs us more now than ever. It’s time for sacrifice for the chosen people not a time to turn our backs on our number one ally like Obama does. The Bible says stand with the Chosen people and I believe in the Bible! All Ron Paul ever talks about is the old out dated constitution.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:48pm& was it the Lebanses who carried out the 1st trade center attacks, or the USS Cole or 9/11? The answer would be NO – by your own admission, if any group was “justified” – it would be the Lebanese. Yet it wasn’ the Lebanese who attacjed on those occasions. So then I ask, where does Al Quesda, bin Lden et al, get the justification from the aPaulogists? so again, I ask, what were we doing and where were we that justifies anything the radical islamists? – even your “counter” doesn’t support the original premise that the aPaulogists claim. Could it be that the aPaulogist “counter argument” actually highlights and perefctly illustrates the idea that the radical islamists need no justification and cannot be reasoned with? Can it be that the aPaulogist “counter argument” (reminder – was it the Lebanese who attacked…) only further adds credence to the islamists desire for a caliphate? After all, if the Lebanese were justified due to our actions yet the Lebanese did not instigate any of the attacks against us, yet non-directly interested parties did attack us – perhaps there is no real justification and us “neo-cons” are on to something?
If you cannot come up with any other “arguement” than …you are wrong, stupid, ignorant blah blah insert the same old talking points…- Answer the questions please. aPaulogists – convince me – answer the questions
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:58pm@Warrior4Zion said
“All Ron Paul ever talks about is the old out dated constitution.”
you sir are a idiot.
The constution is the youngest freshest idea us humans have ever come up with. You worship a state. I stand with the people of israel not the goverment. You either have the constution and follow it. or u have tyranny. the old out-dated constution? its people like u why this country is in trouble. and know I dont watch fox news all day. so I havent seen ur commercials. but im sure they are a lie. to get more money so some greedy rabbi can fill his pockets. just like they sold out Jesus they will sell us out and use our money and charity for their own fufilment
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:03pm“pockets. just like they sold out Jesus they will sell us out ”
oh you’re an anti-semite too…gee what a surprise.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:13pmyou idiot rush is right wanna read the top of my paragaph?
“I stand with the people of israel not the goverment”
Lol when they cant beat you anywhere else they call u a racist.
Report Post »Cuthalu
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:38pm@Warrior4Zion, That is very telling by suggesting: “All Ron Paul ever talks about is the old out dated constitution.” Let me guess, you are another Israeli-Firster?
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 8:50amkaydeebeau we were in Lebannon some years before 93 bombings.
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You mean when Lebanon was a predominately a Christian Nation? LOL
mattsanz
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:23pmRush, You are upset that our politicians are destroying this country and they dont follow the Constitution. But you believe that they know best how to run the rest of the world and not follow the Constitution.
Report Post »http://www.constitutioncards.com
rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:22pmas always…RUSH IS RIGHT….
paul just doesn’t seem to understand that iran is not like the soviet union or china…they’re going to use that nuke on us first chance they get. the only thing that might be hard for iran to decide is whether to use it on us or israel first……
Report Post »GOVT_ABOVE_THE_LAW
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:35pmAnd when Iran threatens us with a nuclear weapon or commits some other act of war against the U.S. the President gets authorization (called a declaration of war) from congress. The war is fought and won quickly, and then we either take posession (victor gets the spoils) or leave and go back to minding our own business.
Report Post »Naps
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:45pmHow are they going to use a nuke on us? They have a pathetic excuse of an Air Force.
My words are useless to a typical brainwashed scared American like you.Go back to being Rush’s personal fluffer. It’s folks like you who are going to be the reason this country falls apart.
Spend..Bomb…Spend….Bomb…Gargle Rush’s mayonnaise….Spend Bomb
Ron Paul or none at all
RaidersImperium
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:13pmrush is stoned.
Report Post »Paul is right–
KISS keep it simple stupid: cause and affect. put a Jesus fish on your minivan then expect a darwin fish on the prius.
rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:50pm“rush is stoned.
Paul is right–
KISS keep it simple stupid: cause and affect. put a Jesus fish on your minivan then expect a darwin fish on the prius.”
take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds…I’d vote against paul just because of his wacko cultish followers…talk about pathetic exucses for humanity…wow
Report Post »brkdamatrx
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:52pmNewt said we need terrorism so we can appreciate the police state they ( the establishment) is building for us who do not go along their New World Order utopia.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:56pmAnd when Iran threatens us with a nuclear weapon or commits some other act of war against the U.S. ”
they’ve been at war with us for 30 years….get a clue. from sponsoring terrorism to building IEDs to kill our troops.
“How are they going to use a nuke on us? They have a pathetic excuse of an Air Force.”
they couldn’t smuggle one in now could they with our great border security?? huh?? right
“My words are useless to a typical brainwashed scared American like you”
you‘re the gutless coward that doesn’t want to stand up to the iranians…put on a burkha…you’ll look better in it.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:57pm“And when Iran threatens us with a nuclear weapon or commits some other act of war against the U.S. the President gets authorization (”
they’ve been at war with us for 30 years….get a clue.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 11:39pm@Naps ever heard of a ship…..
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:35amHey Rushiswrong, You cannot really threaten someone with something you do not have. Iran cannot even refine their own gasoline from their own oil. We, the strongest nation in the world need to worry about a nation that is just barely out of the stone age? Isreal could decimate them in one day if they wanted to. Get real.
Report Post »Trading_barracuda
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 10:50amRon Paul was QUOTING EHUD BARAK, FORMER ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER AND FORMER CHIEF OF DEFENSE.
Keep it up idiots. The country is getting looted and ya’ll are in-fighting.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:21pmIt really is a shame, that Ron Paul is totally clueless and dangerous, when it comes to foreign policy. As far as his views on everything else, I think he is spot on, and would love to see him turned loose on the corruption and waste in Washington.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:58pmI totally agree, except for his foreign policy, I would have no problem voting for him. And not all of his foreign is bad. I agree with the idea of eliminating foreign aid, but not all of it. That is the problem with Ron, no middle ground. As it is, I can not vote for him.
Report Post »OldMexican
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:00pmRe: TXPILOT,
It really is a shame, that Ron Paul is totally clueless and dangerous, when it comes to foreign policy.
Saying that Iran is a “few months from having a nuclear weapon” is beign clueless and dangerous. Sending bombers to kill Lybians and have them be governed by radical Islamists is clueless and dangerous. Sending Mujahideen to Kosovo to supposedly “protect” the Kosovese people, and then not leaving, is clueless and dangerous (Clinton did this). Bombing a country that was already prostrated, for years, killing half a million children and then saying “It was worth it” is clueless and dangerous.
Saying that we should OBEY THE CONSTITUTION FOR A CHANGE is showing wisdom and prudence. YOU are clueless and dangerous, TXPILOT.
Report Post »Naps
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:01pmHow in the hell is he clueless on foreign policy? Because last time I checked,he received more donations from our active duty military combined.And I think our military might know a little bit more about our actual foreign policy then you and I.
Report Post »TeaParty_RonPaul_R3VOLUTION
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:16pmI guess Americans will get what they want. Either a president who does not want to start a war so carelessly, or a president like newt who is willing to send troops and “spread democracy”
btw, you aren’t gonna win the general election having a pro-war rhetoric.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:17pm@OLDMEXICAN…..LOL!!!……I love it how drones like you take one snippet from a post, and use it as justification to attack someone. Why do you even think you have a right to an opinion, if you are indeed an “OLDMEXICAN”, and not an OLDAMERICAN??? As for being “clueless”, sorry, but I am usually the clue master, and as for me being “dangerous”, that is true…..I’m dangerously cute!!…..Merry Christmas…..sorry….Feliz Navidad!!
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:45pm>NAPS. Quit propogating that damn fairy tale that Ron Paul acolytes like to bandy about The Blaze and elsewhere regarding Paul and his “Military” donations.
What any person with common sense knows about Paul zealots is that they seem to have a lot of time and money on their hands, not to mention they are the geekiest of geeks when it comes to the internet. Take that with dubious intentions that Paulestinians always display with skewing this and that on-line… and it’s game on for the Paulies.
Ron Paul supposed “Military” donations is an on-line ruse. You can go on-line and make a donation to Paul under $200.00 and state whatever the hell you want as an occupation (like Military). Now don’t tell me that little self serving Paul supporters could never DO SUCH A THING… IT’S ALL ABOVE BOARD!!! Lol. disingenous Paulies have been playing this game for quite awhile and it‘s actually pretty slick until it’s looked at just a bit closer. I’m going to figure you are pretty smart there NAPS, so you go with this and put two and two together, then add a teaspoon of BS, then you will have your real answer. eh?
Report Post »Naps
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:25pm@Yepimaconservative….Yes you sure are,Ron Paul’s military donations are a fairy tale?
Report Post »Then why is it that I when I go on youtube,and type in vets for Gingrich,Romney or Half a pound of make up on Bachmann,there is virtually nothing.
Or not even,how about when I talk to vets coming home from Afghanistan they love Paul?
Do yourself a favor and type in Vets for Ron Paul and see for yourself.
Vechorik
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:38pmI sleep well at night. I know terrorists aren’t gonna grab me out of bed.
Report Post »I know America is failing financially.
I’m voting Ron Paul (and think his foreign policy is wonderful — wish the US had it before my loved ones were slaughtered overseas)
YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 9:40pmTake a NAP NAPS. You believe what you’re told to believe, I’ll go with what I know to be true. Doesn‘t matter if any other candidate did or didn’t recieve one thin dime… that’s not my point. You go ahead and keep looking foolish spreading that nonsense. When it comes to Paul, it’s all a shell game, wishful thinking and supporter BS. Paul never seems to refute the idiocy of his supporters.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:10pmhttp://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-receive-most-military-donations
How many times can I prove YEP wrong?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 10:57pm> WAKEUP. Go back to sleep. You can post whatever horse shiite you want… to include links ’till the cows come home, but like I wrote… it’s all about the money (military occupation ghost donations, lol) and what is or isn’t, does or doesn’t have to be verified by the FEC… under $200.00… occupation as an example. The Devil is in the details (or not) so to speak… under $200.00.
Report Post »arndl9933
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:08amI was just curios, are you going to fight in Iran? Or do you just want to send others to their death for something that doesn’t affect American security?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:16am@ Naps et al with that lame argument that pretty much reads like the lame argument you gave to your mom when you wanted to do something…”everybody else is doing / going …..Susie‘s mom doesn’t care if she goes / does whatever” and your Mom’s reply would be what? Let’s say it together – “if everyone jumped off a bridge would you jump too”? or my personal favorite – ” you are right Susie‘s mom doesn’t care what she does, I as you mother, care very deeply about what you do and where you go so no you can’t”
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:29amHey Yep, You really are getting worse at this. You just say the same things that have already been disproven but you are just too slow to realize. We Paul supporters all have the ability to go to Fox and skew their polls?
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/happening-now/index.html#/v/1331815974001/debates-done-whats-next-in-iowa/?playlist_id=159319
I don’t believe so. Your kind will say anything to try and sway people from the truth, but more people are waking up to the facts that have been going on for quite sometime. You are losing my friend and I can tell it is getting to you.
Say hi to your family for me.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 1:39amIt‘s amazing to me how so many people don’t trust the government or the media to tell the truth on domestic issues and so they agree with Ron Paul whole heartedly when he gives domestic solutions that make sense, but then when it comes to foreign policy, that same government and media that are so crooked and dishonest on domestic issues suddenly becomes the voice of truth and reason, and Ron Paul suddenly becomes naive.
Report Post »What makes you think that if the government and the media would deceive us on domestic issues, that they would be completely honest on foreign policy issues? That makes no sense at all. If Ron Paul is honest and brilliant on domestic issues, don’t you think he would be honest and informed on foreign policy issues as well?
Personally I don’t trust the federal government or the media to tell the truth without agenda on any issue foreign or domestic.
West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 3:10amCous, Do not worry my friend, the people are waking up in droves. Look at this link from facebook:
http://www.insidefacebook.com/2011/12/16/ron-paul-sees-big-fan-growth-after-last-debate-this-week-on-inside-facebooks-elections-tracker/
Paul is gaining fast and is the true frontrunner at this point in my opinion. These Progressives will still continue to spread the establishments lies trying to persuade people, but their efforts to do so have been diminishing every day.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 3:22amCous, Go here and see Paul on The Tonight Show with Joe Rogan. http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/12/ron-paul-with-jay-leno-dec-16-2011/
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 5:52am> ARNLD. I did my fun in the sun for God and Country for as many total years as maybe you‘ve been alive if you’re 30 years old or younger. I don’t have the power to send anyone to war, but if you’d like to volunteer, I know a few Army Recruiters that would gladly sign you up. I know some Army Drill Sergeants that would happily drill you in the basics, and I know some Advanced Individual Training Cadre that will artfully teach you the job skill of your choice (if you qualify that is).
My hunch is that like the Obama left, the Ron Paul left are a bunch of snively whiners who are anti-war and anti-Military because that gives them an excuse not to serve their Country. I personally believe dope is more important to the newest crop of Paul supporters and they know they couldn’t pass a physical anyways. If it‘s not dope as an excuse maybe it’s the inward caving bird chests, knock knees and flat-headedness, sorry, flat-footedness or maybe even curvature of the yellow spine disease that keeps them from volunteering. Or maybe just plain fear. of actually having to walk the walk instead of all the internet talk.. who knows the reason.
What I do know is I’ve seen tons of Paul supporters at anti-war and anti-Military rallies for many, many years. They are at OWS events and La Raza rallies too. I’ve seen them speak and whine. I can see and smell them a mile away. What I see are snively cowards.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 6:51am@ YEPIMATROLL,
Report Post »I’ve got you pegged SPOOK.
booger71
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 8:53amarndl9933
Posted on December 17, 2011 at 12:08am
I was just curios,
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So if Congress declares war, then you have no problem to send in others to die, right?
Scottsman
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 1:20pm@YepImaConservative, Most Ron Paul supporters are pro-military, and alot of them are in the military. You can quit posting you lies and go back to being a Romneybot, Newtbot war monger.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:21pmThat settles it. We need to hit Iran and hit’em hard because the fat blowhard who stuck pain killers up his butt said so.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:28pmyou should change your monikor to just-a-moron
GOVT_ABOVE_THE_LAW
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 6:43pmI like Rush and think he is right most of the time. In this case, however, I think he needs to re-examine the facts. But for a moment, let’s assume Rush is right. Who is the small government, constitution-loving “conservative” in the running that will lead this country back in the right direction? Gingrich? Romney? Bachmann? Santorum? Gingrich and Romney are Obama light. I have not heard Bachmann or Santorum talk much, if at all, about adhering to the constitution. That’s the basis of everything Ron Paul talks about.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:46pmhope you clowns live in NY…which is probably the first place Iran will strike once they get the nuke….so you can live with the results of your idiotic beliefs.
rush_is_right
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 7:52pmoh wakeup..aka henryclay..aka my faith…I reported your posts…you piece of trash.
justangry
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:06pmIt’s moniker (not monikor) the next time you want to call someone a moron…
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:08pmhahah ur the one who lies. report to ur maker and dont be a punk. u worship a person who is a draft dodger and pill popper. lol loser
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:10pmand I only have one name WAKEUPUSA2012
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:12pmI live in Texas dip ****
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:45pmRush isn’t a bad guy, I‘ll bet before it’s all said & done, Rush will be endorsing Ron Paul…Good videoJ MILLER42
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on December 16, 2011 at 8:54pm.
Ron Paul is the most conservative among the candidates. He stands by the Constitution and things we have lost – peace, individual liberty, sound money, prosperity.
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