Local Government Tries to Regulate Businesses Out of Existence So They Won’t Have to Compensate the Owners
- Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:55pm by
Mytheos Holt
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The practice by local governments of using the power of eminent domain has a long and storied history in America. Indeed, it’s written into the constitution that governments can seize private property, provided they use it for a public good and pay the owners “just compensation.”
The first of these requirements has been eroded down to nothingness since the case of Kelo v. City of New London. However, the second one has remained in force, and been an effective deterrent against governments taking away property willy nilly, since all the costs would add up in theory.
Unfortunately, Ventura County in California has found a way around this limit by using zoning regulations to make it so prohibitively difficult for businesses to exist that the owners just pack up and leave of their own volition. This video from Reason Magazine explains the extremely sleazy approach involved:
The video centers on two local businesses – one of which, the Pine Mountain Inn, has been around since the 1930s, and hosted the likes of the Hell’s Angels.
The inn was forced to close down in 2002 when the owner, Tom Wolf, had a heart attack. Yet now it’s being stopped from reopening because, according to the county, this building has numerous zoning violations, including an unauthorized chicken coop.
A deadly threat to public health in the wrong hands
There’s just one problem – not only is the idea of an unauthorized chicken coop natively ridiculous, but according to the business’s owner, there is no chicken coop on the premises at all. That’s right, the authorities have resorted to accusing the Inn of violations for buildings that don’t exist on the property.
Why? According to the video, because the local government doesn’t like the fact that there are human beings living out in the rural parts of Ventura County and spoiling it for the wildlife.
“They wanted a complete open space with nothing but deer and frogs and no people,” says Tom Wolf, the owner of the Pine Mountain Inn.
Tom Wolf
And no, this isn’t just the railing of a bitter business owner. There is an actual policy on the books in Ventura County that prevents any economic development of the rural areas in Ventura County. Fair enough, but what about the businesses that already exist in those areas? Apparently, the county’s proposed solution is to basically force all the rural residents into the urban center so as to get rid of all these messy, environmentally unfriendly humans.
And this, too, they could probably do, if they just used eminent domain to take over the land that the Pine Mountain Inn is on, and paid Wolf for his property. But Ventura County is too cheap to do that, and so they’re trying to use bureaucratic red tape to force Wolf to close his business rather than just seize it and pay him up front.
Wolf sued Ventura County back in 2010 over this behavior, and it’s unclear whether there has been any movement on the case since the suit was filed. Unfortunately, he‘s not the only one who’s been targeted using this underhanded, sleazy approach to land management. Another restuarant that has suffered similar treatment is a Bed and Breakfast called “The Wheel,” whose owners say they’ve been hit with every conceivable safety violation under the sun in an effort to get them to close down.
Fortunately, there is a group that is trying to help – namely, the Ventura County Coalition of Labor and Business, whose executive director has a very good question about these kinds of cases, according to Reason’s article on the same subject:
“If there isn’t someone complaining, and there isn’t really a serious public health and safety issue, why do they spend so much of their time pursuing these kinds of cases?”
Why, indeed?
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Comments (213)
Matt
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:30amThis is why I no longer live in California.
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:06amYou and several million others!!
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:18amThere is an easy fix to these sort of things: (1) everyone should fully support businesses whom city officials are trying to use eminant domain on in order to steal their land, (2) make each person who votes in favor of stealing land via eminant domain personally liable and able to be sued in a court of law by the home/business owner.
Report Post »schroeder123
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:56amI left in 70. went back once… Never again !
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:32amMore of the UN Agenda 21 happening all around the states. Keep fighting back and contact your Senators and Representetives and tell them NOT to impliment Agenda 21. The UN has no business telling America how to run our country. The UN wants us all in apartment complexes in city clusters so the land can be used for their benefit. Land is more important to the UN than people.
Townhall.com Staff:
Alabama Fights a UN Land Grab
Put the above in your browser and read about Alabama’s fight against the UN
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:17amLeft in 97
Report Post »Grapeknutz
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:35amwe left in 04
Report Post »1kingforall
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:50pmRIGHT ON
Report Post »I left in 1992 and would rather swing from a tree than live that LIE anymore they killed CA back in the early 80′s !!
2012hey
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:53pmThat is the best way to deal with this – LEAVE! Starve off any state that allows this kind of treatment – take your tax money and go to a more property-friendly state – while you still can! Support the states and cities WHO SUPPORT YOU. Don’t keep giving your tax money to states like California who encourage the invasion of illegal aliens and run their states into the ground and use regulations like weapons. California is a HOLE and the “big one” can’t come soon enough for me so I can enjoy watching that state slide off into the ocean complete with all the illegal alien Mexicans who have invaded it.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:10pmHousing for the Poor: make Ghost Towns!
Report Post »CJohnsonMarine
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:50pmI lived in the Bardsdale area of Fillmore, under Ventura County jurisdiction.
Report Post »I lost my home after the 1994 earthquake, not because of the damage, my home was hit hard, I called county inspectors to inspect the home, I was yellow tagged.
At the time of the inspection, it was noted that my brother was living in the granny cottage behind the garage.
I was notified by Ventura County Building and Safety that my power was going to be shut off because of the natural disaster.
I hired a structural engineer to review the property, he stated in writing that the home was safe to occupy while repairs were made.
I took a copy of the letter and met with Bill Windroth, I believe he was head of building and safety.
He looked at the letter, then asked if my brother was still living in the granny cottage, evidently the previous owner had an issue with Building and Safety regarding the granny cottage.
He demanded I have my brother vacate the granny cottage and gave me 30 days, an extension of cutting my power which he only has the right to do under an emergency.
After the earthquake there were few homes to rent, it took just over 30 days, I met with Mr. Windroth once my brother was out, he stated I was too late and cut my power.
I fought back for a year trying to restore my property and power, I failed, I eventually lost the home.
I hope Bill Windroth rots in hell along with all his spawn.
PaxInVeritate
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:48pmSo this is the situation… give up and abandon the State to the illegal aliens/“Mexicans”, refuse to pay Federal taxes, and wait for ‘the “big one”’ to slough off the State into the ocean thereby losing vast number of human lives, which God cherishes even though you do not. That’s so patriotic and valorous of you all. Yes indeedie, that’s the recipe for success in America. That’s the stuff that made this county great. Yup, we (USA) are toast! Prepare for the end of these United States.
Report Post »Freedom.Fighter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:55pmIt;s not just California. This is a federal (actually global) push. Please bing (or google, whatever..) “Agenda 21”.
Here’s some info on it from Wikipedia :
Agenda 21 is an action plan of the United Nations (UN) related to sustainable development and was an outcome of the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is a comprehensive blueprint of action to be taken globally, nationally, and locally by organizations of the UN, governments, and major groups in every area in which humans directly affect the environment.
This is not even a conspiracy. The EPA tried enforcing this recently against that couple in Idaho.
This is something we all need to actively fight back against and communicate our outrage over to our congressman. Unless you like the idea of global government. Even so called “conservatives’ are pushing this agenda too..
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:19pmBurn down any public officals house that supports and enforces these measures. Our “civil” society is broken, its time for a more basic approach.
Report Post »Robertsrealm1958
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:27pmA lot of people saying they left California because of the government abusive regulations? What are you going to do when there is no place left to run? The first thing you should have done is bought a shotgun. Then become a vocal second amendment supporter. When you behave like ******* you will get picked on, of people know they will need to fight they think twice. This ideology that you should not be there is the brainchild of probably a handful of people. Why do you think take Mexican and black communities are united and get better results than their white counterparts? It is because the government fears the. White people packing up and running doesn’t really put the fear of God into people.
Report Post »amdoktor
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:00pmI suggest everyone not familiar with Agenda 21, do a quick search and read one of the many sites on this U.N, mandate signed and delivered by Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama. Its one scary plan.
Report Post »It encompasses all the Federal, State and most local governments. Sustainable growth, reclaim the wild areas, stack and pack everyone into cities and population control. Not a peep out of our Main Stream Media.
starman70
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:54pmNo business owner, in his or her right mind, would locate in California.
Report Post »KingGhidora
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 12:27amApparently the solution is not easy as some have suggested. When the government ignores basic principles of private property it’s time to take serious steps.
Report Post »jowettusmc
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:42amI have seen this same tactic used in Connecticut. A local cider mill-petting zoo-large animal vet was regulated and taxed out of business because the town wanted his land for “better usage” meaning they wanted his property to build McMansions on so they could collect more revenue for the town.
Report Post »nelsonknew
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:29amYep, that’s Ventura County…. where the Sheriff refuses to process Concealed Carry Applications, even though a judge has ordered him to do so….. Ventura County is also trying to close shooting ranges on FEDERAL Land, even though the county has NO jurisdiction…. where left-wingers can make death threats on the internet and in the Ventura County Star, kill your pets and paint swastikas on your property and the Prosecuting Attorney will REFUSE to file charges. Where illegal aliens rent garages and NO ONE cares. We‘re moving to Arizona to escape this Nazi Hell but we’ll be back when it’s finally time to pull the Nazi Hell down around their ears!
Report Post »ken john
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:59amI am a conservative. We need to stay here. Someone has to have common sense. Don’t bother coming back, you won’t be welcome back. Coward…
Report Post »bw00ds
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:54amKen John, what’s your problem? Do you really think that nelsonknew is the problem? Isn’t the rogue bureaucrats the problem? Why does his remarks offend you if you are truly “conservative?“ Why is someone who is totally disgusted with the way his government is governing and wants to move out a ”coward?” You make no sense. You should apologize.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:35amThe Global Elite want us divided.
Divided we fall.
Report Post »TexasTall
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:28amNelsonknew, I don’t blame you for moving, and anybody criticizing you for it is not a true conservative. Voting with one’s feet is a hard-to-miss message, and they might “get it” when the state is taken over with illegal aliens and other miscreants. Ventura County, just TRY to get tax monies out of that class of vermin. Oh, wait! I forgot about drug cartels. They might keep your head above water.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:32am@Ken John
Report Post »I know how you feel to a degree.Stop and consider though.He may have been at the fight alot longer than you.He may see where he isn’t effective at the fight by living in the jurisdiction.Too many reprecussions.He may just be exhausted.Its one of the tactics sleazeballs use.Wearing you down is part of it.Unless he has left the fight all together don’t necessarily count him out.Please don’t turn your back on him either.You will need all the help you can get dealing with these people.I use the term people here very loosely.
Wolf
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:56amWhen someone prefaces a coment with ‘I’m a conservative’, it‘s time to get the hips waders out ’cuz the BS is getting deep. Another observation… those who call others ‘cowards’ are projecting their own character onto others.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:34amken john – do a web search on UN Agenda 21. You will be shocked at what they are trying to do.
Report Post »Pogue
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:45amI escaped CA 3 years ago. It took many years of planning to make the escape, and 2 weeks to execute the plan.
I got tired of high costs, low wages, the need to know 4 different languages, and the gang violence.
My sister and her husband live in Ventura County. They are socialists / borderline Communists, receiving their indoctrination at Cal Poly SLO.
Report Post »They demonstrate hypocritical communism: take and share everybody’s wealth, but don’t touch mine.
hidden_lion
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:25pmKen John-
Report Post »yeah, you are really making a dent. Kalifornia is a lost cause. It is going to fall into the Ocean anyway.
hidden_lion
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:26pmProblem solver-
Report Post »We are divided, absolutely nothing United about the United states.
Redwood Elf
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:54pmMinor Touche’ on that HiddenLion, but a better educated person is better equipped to think up a product or service he or she can provide to become self-employed, thus increasing the size of the pie.
Liberals would have us believe there is only so much pie to go around, but as Glenn Beck tells us, America is a Pie Factory.
I like Pie, as does (obviously) Glenn. Don’t you like Pie?
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:24pmI agree with KEN. Why run? Fight fire, with fire. Burn the sheriff out, burn the county commisioners out. A war on your rights, is war.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:22amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GykzQWlXJs
Report Post »\
Full Agenda 21 vid. You will find this the most informative on the net. He did his homework.
broker0101
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:38amHere’s the fundamental problem with that line of “logic”; that you’ve been taught by Glenn Beck: Extrapolation.
Report Post »For example: Isolated, alleged cases of Eminent Domain abuse DOES NOT logically extrapolate to the fulfillment of the “Agenda 21” conspiracy. This is true in exactly the same way that the flooding of our monetary system with printed dollars DOES lead to inflation but DOES NOT lead to the imminent collapse of the currency and Hyper-Inflation. Sadly, your Messiah has you by the panicked short-hairs. Sucks to be you.
Fubared
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:27amBroker dude
Report Post »So you are saying Agenda 21 is not an issue that the lefties here have embraced and tried to implement whenever possible?
bigdaddyt46
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:26amjust finished watching the video CG. took alot longer because i had to stop and rewind because alot of it was not making sense to me. things like if people are more educated they’ll make more money and will consume more then will the poorly educated, with lower incomes that threatens our sustainability. WTF??? had to replay that one 3 times. throughout all of it i was sitting there shaking my head.
Report Post »nofearmongeringhere
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:07amI would suggest to all of you to read the book “Eco-Tyranny – How the Left’s Green Agenda will Dismantle America” by Brian Sussman. Everything that is happening in our country and how America has reached this point will all make absolute sense. And if we don’t get on top of all of this government bureacracy and stand our ground, we will lose. Period.
Report Post »Redwood Elf
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:34amBigDaddy: Let me simplify it into short words, then maybe you’ll understand:
A ) If you get an education, you are more qualified for higher paying work.
Report Post »B ) If you are more qualified for higher paying work, you have a better chance of finding a better job, even in the disastrous Obama economy.
C ) If you have a better job, earning more money, you will spend more money and buy better things than if you had less money. This results in increased consumption, more money moving around the economy.
D) Therefore, the more people who qualify for higher pay, the more sustainable we are.
hidden_lion
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:31pmRedwood elf-
Report Post »Except when the majority qualify for better work, there will be less better work to be had and the highly educated and qualified populace will be still work crap jobs at McDonalds for little pay. That is why Colleges used to have a selection process, not everybody should be admitted.
PaxInVeritate
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:04pmEveryone thinks this world is going to continue as it has in the past. Stop. Read the Book of Daniel, Revelations and 1Enoch. The time is upon the world for all the prophesies to be fulfilled. Repent, fast and pray that you can live a life worthy of the Lord.
Report Post »bigdaddyt46
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 3:58am@ redwolf. that’s not what she was advocating. maybe i didn’t say it 100% correctly. the lecturer said after showing the quote that what she was advocating was for people to have less education than more. she wanted limited education, specifical only agenda 21 type education for our your to make them more accomodating to the ideas put forward by the UN to re-do America. watch the videa to see why i had a hard time with it, and sat smh. things like they want to take the right of private property and force all of us into tiny multi housing units and return the rest to nature. if you do have a sizable lot they want 65% of that lot THAT YOU OWN can not be developed by you, and the remaining 35% only 10% of that can have a building on it. through posters here that are by far and away smarter then me tried posting info on agenda 21 but if was only half grasping the magnitude of it. the video posted link by CG cleared it all up for me. what i can‘t understand is and why i had to replay sections of it is i couldn’t believe(i was shocked) that so many are actually trying and succeeding on getting this BS through an beginning to implement it here in the USA. mindboggling. this was in no way trying to make a dig at Chiefgeorge if he took it that way hi most humbley apologize, and thank him immensley for providing that link so i could better educate myself on this desaterous(sp?) propesition.
Report Post »TheCoffinMaker
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:18amThe only solution to this growing problem is to physically throw government employees out from their cement and glass structures right into the gutter.
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:48amTake them up a few floors first, THEN throw them out.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:24pmThe technical term for what you suggest is ‘Defenstration’. Gets messy after a while.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:13amMichelle should declare it a “Food Desert” and put a grocery store there.Commiefornians would love that!
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:12amThe federalists’ (progressives) swore up and down that the opposition (conservatives) were wrong to assume that a federal government, if ratified (radically) and implemented (incrementally) would most assuredly attempt to usurp power over the states and in turn, the people. They were wrong!!! In that particular era and moment in time, perhaps the people needed a singular entity to oversee the republic. I submit that in the tradition of progressivism, it is time for we the people to accept the irrefutable fact that we no longer need a federal government to oversee our republic!
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:48pmI bought a small home in Bremerton (Bremergad) in Washinton State.
I am a veteran, a retired Federal employee living on a small pension.
My greatest fear of all is not criminals, or terrorists, or even the constant influx of illegal Mexicans, although this is a major concern.
No, my greatest fear is the very Government I worked for and served for 4 years active duty in the Navy.
I fly the Tea Party flag (The Gadsden Flag), and not the stars and stripes at my home. Why/
Because the “Republic for which it stands” no longer exists. It died a death in November, 2008 of suicide.
Please, God, let that Republic be resurrected. I will then be pleased to fly the Stars and Stripes, Until then, only the yellow flag with the rattlesnake and Don’t Tread On Me will fly.
If you want to jump all over me, go for it. I took the oath, served the watch and did my time in the military myself. What we have today is NOT what I swore to protect and defend!
PS- I swore to protect and defend agains all enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC!
Report Post »mom4times
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:57pmGod Bless You…..I’ll stand with you !
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:59pmFly what you like. You got a point, as long as it is not a foreign flag. If you do decide to fly the stars and stripes, put it higher. We will get it all back. It took time to get here and it will take time to go back. If we cannot, look up for thy Lord draweth nigh.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:00amUnless you are a liar, the “small pension” on which you live is government largess. I suggest you vote with your pocketbook. That is, again, unless you’re a liar.
Report Post »mharry860
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:01amBeautiful town, my cousin lives outside of Port Orchard, I’m in Spokane. You are living among the enemy, sorry.
Report Post »marhee9
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:05amThat’s cool, love the post. I served on a Trident Sub on subase Bangor, so I know exactly where you are talking about. If the recall election in Wisconsin works out for the union, you might have just summed it all up. Check out this video on why Wisconsin matters.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5kwKTxxEy4
objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:24amThank You from the bottom of my heart.For your lifetime of service.Yes that is what it is.Its too long and complicated to explain just how much that means in a post.
Report Post »@Broker0101
You sir are a certified idiot.You claim to know so much about financial matters.Then you would know that former military and govt workers have two types of retirement One that they paid into with aftertax dollars [you know after they got paid,not before as in pretax.Do I need to explain to you what that means too?]called civil service.The other as in social security paid for with pretax dollars.You know before being paid out..Do you know which he recieves?I‘m sure you don’t.But please blabber away.If anyone had a doubt about your ability to reason and put two brain cells together.You have thankfully erased that doubt.
I’d explain to you that civil service was always solvent.Since it was paid for with aftertax dollars the advisors planners and institutions could be held responsible.Unlike ss.That it was cry babies like you that compalined about what the civil service workers got.The fact that they paid for it and invested didn’t enter your small little brains.Instead you hollered unfairness and discrimination and got it switched to ss.[Prior to that the only reason to consider the switch was for streamlining and tax purposes.They decided that wasn't a good enough reason].
contractorniu
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:57amThank you brother:(screwed retiree) My sentiments exactly – My service both military(USMC) and civil as a contractor in Iraq and Afghanistan was not to let these bureaucrats take away everything we have.
Report Post »I live on the other side of this state (WA) and being regulated for all types of agricultural BS plus taxes that is attempting to close my small cherry orchard.
readytostand
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:22am@Screwedretiree – The turmoil this country is in is quite heartbreaking and disgusting ! i hear your pain loud and clear ! I also cannot stand this overpowering regime over us ! The only reason I personally still fly OLD GLORY is to show my respect to all who served, and those fallen WARRIORS who gave there lives for our freedoms ! Thank you for your service !
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:42pmI went to high school and college in Tacoma. Loved it. I left in 1978. Back a couple of times and glad I live in Nebraska.
Report Post »my2centswrth
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:46amYou and many others, and the numbers are growing.
Report Post »howardroark1165
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:44pmIn Washington State there is a similar situation around Lake Crescent. The lake has several houses on it and is a very nice, glacier fed lake. From what I understand it was only in the last several years (under ten) that it became park (National) land. Now the convoluted policy is that you can only sell your property to a family member or to the Park……… and if to the Park, the Park will remove “hazardous” materials (and pray they don’t send YOU a bill) and let the structure go back to nature. It is their goal to rid the lake of all inhabitants as soon as possible.
To me this is a disgusting policy. We need an administration that can be bothered to understand and reverse policies such as this and the one in this story.
It is possible to benefit from as well as preserve nature.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:00amI hear you loud and clear! Also note that in order to just drive into Public Lands or Public Utility Lands,
including FEDERAL LANDS, we are required to purchase a permit called the Discover Pass in the People’s Soviet Utopia of Washington State.
The pass is issued to the license of ONE vehicle only, and if you want to go in a pickup instead of a passenger car, you will have to have a license for that vehicle as well!
GET THIS: It also applies to OUT OF STATE VISITORS!
Failure to comply or have the license displayed earns the violator a $99 ($100?) fine.
Don’t take my word for it. Read it yourself. Look up Washington Discover Pass and see for yourself.
Report Post »acovenantinblood
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:17amThey got rid of jet skis too. And I think that you can’t even sell the house to family. I think you have to will it to them. I heard also that they are paying the owners and exorbitant amount of money to basically live int he houses until they die and then the park gets it. I love to hike the trails around there. They will shut those down too soon…wouldn’t want to step on some moss and kill it now would we.
Report Post »mom4times
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:43pm@ SKREWEDRETIREE: Yes I will know what to do in november…..because I WILL NOT COMPLY! ; )
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:39pmThey should plant “Michele Obama White House Gardens” and seek her protection. The hotels should also carry hey Garden Book in the Gift Shop.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:49pmThen they can get the White House to promote foreign tourism, using some of that $20M in foreign tourist advertizing, to show foreigners how we Americans grow really great veggies. The foreign Children can have “Gardening Vacations” that MO would just love.
Report Post »MrObvious
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:39pmIt’s high time we added a constitutional amendment granting private property protections to citizens.
Report Post »Something like: The government shall not take private property from living American Citizens without their consent, except in cases of felony convictions for acts of terrorism, organized crime or violence, and even then, only as specifically prescribed by law.
SandyfromChesterfield
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:35pmIt is called Agenda 21.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:17amI was looking for the first person to note “Agenda 21” and you win!
Look up Agenda 21 and you will see how the scheme works. The most thoughtful on the topic of explaining it, is a power point presentation I discovered on the entire matter given almost Beck style, with their own words, books etc. just youtube it. He speaks from a hotel type of setting.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:32pmYou Blazers are (Agenda 21) ROBOTS! When Glenn finally snaps and invites you all to his new compound in Guyana, or wherever, (for a reasonable price, of course) I hope you ALL take him up on it.
Report Post »thejackal
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:37amHey broke101 moron, go to the UN website and read Agenda 21 for yourself. The leftist whacktards have fully embraced it, and attempt to do everything in their power to push policies in that direction. Many here don’t watch GB, I personaly find him hysterical and grandoise, however he has some legitimate concerns and points. You really are brain dead if you don‘t think the progressive filths goals are in tune with the UN’s long term Agenda. In fact your stance is laughable and a glaring example of your sub-par intellect.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:40amWe see how and what you really are.Agenda 21 bot.How much money are you going to make oops I meant steal?What crimes will you commit to do so?How many more people will you screw over?Oh I forgot you really think your skills will be worth something and that they don’t kill you after they have used you up.Silly you.How many families have had there lives ripped apart by you?
Report Post »readytostand
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:36am@broker – Whose the robot ? I don’t watch Glenn that often , but most of what he speaks of he backs with hard facts ! Unlike your your commie leaders , lies and spin ! If this country does continue to spiral into communism , the only upside to that would be ,that you also will lose your freedoms ! Maybe than you will think back in regret of what you helped to create ! Brainwashed ,IDIOT !!
Report Post »2012hey
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:07pmUm Broker101 TROLL – Glenn was late to the battle against Agenda 21 – that battle to stop the UN encroachment into our country has been going on for years before Glenn discovered it. Glenn publicized it more but he is not the first to fight it and he won’t be the last. One of the early warriors, Henry Lamb, just passed away. We will miss having this warrior in our camp while continuing to eradicate Agenda 21 threats to our individual and national sovereignty.
Report Post »Sue Dohnim
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:29pmThis is NEOMARXISM, the Gov taking private property, not by a gun but through coercion using legislation, regulation and the law.
The State instead of protecting the individual from plunder, it has engaged in plunder.
“The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish!”
Bastiat
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
Report Post »g.prunty
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:29pmresistance is futile
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:37pmI disagree.
Resistance is everything. Standing by and submitting is futile.
Remember in November/Lock and Load
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:57pmI have a cottage in Michigan …a small area of homes in the woods surrounded by state land .. I can tell you right now that if the government tries any of this .. they will have real trouble .. not by me .. except I WILL SUE .. but there are a lot of people around the area .. that let‘s just say don’t cotton to government.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:22amI will not comply. I will defend the Constitution from enemies…foriegn and DOMESTIC.
Report Post »Its high time for Revolution to begin. If 2012 is not a wave of reversal the fight will begin. Rest assured, the enemy will run in shame….They are gutless.
CatB
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:29amThe reason I would not “stand my ground” is that I don’t live in the cottage .. it is a summer home .. and I don’t go to it (moved over 1,000 miles away but when the housing market tanked I was stuck with it) .. plan on selling in the future .. but I do not want to lose my investment. Those who live in the area full time .. back in the woods .. I really don’t think the government would want to mess with. Most of their families came in the 30′s – 50′s to work in the factories from the south — Kentucky and Tennessee .. when those closed they moved full time to their cabins in the woods and for the most part live off the land and do odd jobs. These are proud people who can take care of themselves .. and don‘t want the gov’t messing with them.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:27pmNow now . you know we are all crazy .. Agenda 21 …. just something else that will be shown to be all too true.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:12amCATB, Give me a specific time frame when this Agenda 21 conspiracy theory “will be shown to be all too true”. Because on a long enough timeline, everything that is possible is eventual. And to be clear, this story DOES NOT PROVE the theory that Glenn convinced you of.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:38pmBroker-
Report Post »It is not a theory but a fact that be be verified by the UN itself. Some states are just ahead of the power curve in implementing this plan. The UN small arms treaty is another step towards making this happen.
funwithguitars
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:26pmNo doubt this is agenda 21. If I remember correctly, they want all new construction to be 21 family dwellings per acre. No more single family dwellings at all.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:35pmYup, and here in Bremergrad, in the Socialist Utopia of Kitsap County in the Peoples Soviet Socialist State of Washington, they passed a law requiring Multi Family Housing in the city.
If my house burns, built in WW2, I will be required to re-build it as a DUPLEX at least. Of course, my homeowners insurance does NOT cover that.
Remember in November/Lock and Load
Report Post »911Patriot
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:16pmThis is Agenda 21. Their plan is to eliminate all rural private property rights and get everyone into vertical urban developments (think China housing the workers)
Report Post »If you are on this website you already get it we need to open the eyes of the blind.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979563156
Bryan B
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:30pmIt certainly would make it easier to control people, and the government wouldn’t need FEMA camps….
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:32pmMy thoughts exactly. I was going to post the same sentence from the article but you beat me to it.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:49pmthey also plan to reduce world populations to 1 billion …by starvation and warfare…this is the New World Order…these people are for real and they are working hard at there agenda.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:56pmWow, the post I was replying to is gone and my reply ended up here. Weird…
Report Post »Bryan B
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:15amA National Emergency like a complete Financial Collapse, would nagate the necessity for any Government Force on the population. Government Centers would be set-up in Metropolitan Areas to assist citizens with Food and Medical Care. People would go willing to big citys thinking they are going to get help. And when you got there, you wouldn’t be allowed to leave, and any weapons or firearms you have, would be taken for public safety. And the Government wouldn’t need a large military force, to watch over the people, because they would be the only ones armed…….
What I have writen here is not anything that I know to be fact or truth, it’s just a scenario of a possibility.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:13pmEveryone thinks there little corner of the armpit of the world is worth much more that it actually is. Just as I’m sure you Beck-Bots think your “bomb shelters” (aka fruit cellar with reinforced plywood door) adds $100k to your property value.
Report Post »obrien871
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:48amWhat are you talking about cut back on the Xanax and go back the Ed Schultz Show. LOL
Report Post »Full Throttle
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:52pmWow, dude, you’re so angry, nasty and confused. Your postings are automatically contrary, no matter what anyone says. Some of your posts don’t make any sense either, like this one. That brands you a bit of a wingnut, you realize? No, of course you don’t realize – you’re lost in your own little angry hell. Good luck with that.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:11pmSue the hades out of them and demand that they pay damages for the disruption of a business and any legal fees from the trial. This madness has to stop and be stopped soon or all of us will be in the end, taken over by state and Federal tyranny.
Report Post »JohnHW
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:29pmThe problem with sueing these “governments” is that it is the citizens that have to pay the bills. The decision-makers can just keep on going and use the government teat to pay the court costs and suits that they lose.
What we need is to allow the individuals to be brought into the suit as a party AND PAY THESE COSTS when they exceed the authority of the office OR the law that set up the law. This goes for U.S. Congress, the executive, the state and local government officials as well as the non-elected people who are usually the ones which cause the problems.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:51am@John
Report Post »You are so right,We can’t do that until we remove the immunity clause.We need to remove it from most govt workers.Its only by carrying personal responsibility that they can be brought into line.The idea of immunity was first and foremost given to police due too certain cases where the perp was shot .Right or wrong the officer was sued.Unfortunately it began to proliferate to other govt workers.Most of which shouldn’t have been employed in the first place, let alone given immunity.
Psychosis
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:09pmwelcome to AGENDA 21
YOU WILL COMPLY
Report Post »toto
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:25pmI live in Ventura Co. and you are absolutely correct. Once you are familiar with Agenda 21, you see it all over the place promoted as something good and couched in all kinds of feel good language, but it is the Anti-Freedom Agenda.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:28pmRemember the line from the Untouchables?
What are you prepared to do?
Remember in November/Lock and Load
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:08pmWho died fighting for this? My folks bled, died, and mostly killed so this would not happen.
Report Post »broker0101
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:17pmThen your folks raised a candy-a$$. They would be ashamed of you wasting your time posting your whiny complaints on The Blaze. Unless, of course, you lied about their heroic feats in life. I suspect the latter.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:25pmYup..and I swore the oath and wore the uniform myself. I have done Living History for years, but no more. I am now shunned because I dared to speak out against the “heroes” of WW2, Korea and Viet Nam because I mentioned that they won the War (WW2) and when they came home, they voted DEMOCRAT and voted in the Great Society (The Welfare State), supported Gun Control, Affirmative Action (giving a leg up on Black veterans over the whites- been there, SEEN that!) and got us where we are today.
Who voted for this? Take a look at the demography of the last 40 years at least, and if it fits, take a look in the mirror!
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:29pmSRETIREE, You damnsho be right.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:06amI think you all have lost your mind.I don’t know of any ww2 vet that voted democrat.They didn’t vote in the great new society.Most of them including my family members were grousing about the state of our country and the diasters the democrats and the great new society would and did bring.Want to know how we got here look at the demographics of how civilians and urban dwellers voted.
Report Post »Richalu
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:08amHey broker0101… You getting paid by the progressive party to post all these insults? You should be. You’re following their strategy to a T.
Report Post »Full Throttle
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:04pmWow, Broker, you’re a real douchebag.
Report Post »mom4times
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:06pmSeriously????? this REAKS of agenda 21
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:29pmYes, seriously. As serious as a heart attack.
Remember in November/Lock and Load
Report Post »guntotinsquaw
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:05pmAgenda 21
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:31pmAgenda 21…well, remember the 2nd amendment.
Remember in November/Lock and Load
Report Post »johnnycatt
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:03pmI no longer want my state and the State of California to be in the same :union.” we have nothing in common except that teh federal govt forces us to live together…
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:41pmI’ll agree with that. Historically, we don’t like states to leave the union, but can we kick them out?
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50pmIt’s not lost on me that there is a RED STAR on the California flag.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:19amIts called secession.Yes it can be done.It was done in the civil war.That is what the civil war was truly all about.Federal law versus state law.Not slavery like you may have been misread to believe.The north used that as a tag line.They wanted to free the slaves alright.They wanted to ship them back to africa.Most of them got to the north and wern’t allowed to work or make a living.Many of them caught on to the norths tricks and obsfucation and went back south.Another thing many don’t know is that many blacks fought on the souths side.It was done by choice not force.
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