Macy’s Allegedly Fires Employee for Refusing Cross-Dressing Male Access to Women’s Fitting Room
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Tiffany Gabbay
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According to a recent post by Liberty Counsel, a former department store employee was allegedly terminated from her job at a San Antonio Macy’s after refusing to allow a cross-dressing male to change in the women’s fitting room.
While Macy’s does have an LGBT-friendly policy that allows transgender customers to use either the men‘s or women’s fitting rooms as the individual deems most appropriate, the former employee, Natalie Johnson, argued that Macy’s also has a policy in place that protects her religious rights — and that those rights would have been violated had she been forced to admit that the cross-dresser was a female.
Liberty Counsel explains in further detail:
Natalie Johnson claims she saw the young man walk out of the women’s fitting room and politely told him that he could not go back in because it was for women only. The cross-dressing young man claimed that he is a “female.” Johnson said that he was wearing make-up and girl’s clothing, but clearly he was a male. The cross-dresser was accompanied by five other individuals. The group argued with expletives that Macy’s is LGBT-friendly, to which Johnson replied that Macy’s is also non-discriminatory toward religion, and that it would go against her religious beliefs to lie that he was a woman or compromise with homosexuality. The group then demanded to speak with a manager.
When Johnson was confronted by her employer, she explained that she could not allow a male to change in a female’s fitting room. Johnson’s boss referred her to Macy’s LGBT policy which allows “transgender” people to change in any dressing room they want. However, Johnson pointed out that the same policy also protects against religious discrimination and, in this case, it protects her right to her beliefs that were being violated. The manager demanded that she comply with the LGBT policies or lose her job. Johnson refused to go against her sincerely held religious beliefs and was terminated from her job.
Perhaps a way around the problem would have been for Johnson to ask a coworker to fill in for her in this instance. Another employee could have taken over her fitting room duties for the duration of time that the transgender or cross-dressing customer was present. By doing so, Johnson would not have been placed in a position where she felt her beliefs were being compromised, while still upholding the company’s policy as it concerns transgender customers.
On the other hand, Macy’s is operating two distinct policies — one regarding religious rights, the other regarding gay and lesbian rights — that will often prove incompatible with one another. The company faces serious challenges ahead as it runs the risk of creating both disgruntled employees and customers alike, leaving the department store chain open to public relations issues and worse still, potential legal action.
What say you?
Editors Note: LGBT is an acronym for “Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual and Transgender.” It is used to refer to the entire community as a whole, and in place of terms like “gay community.”
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Comments (409)
Realist4U
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:00pmMacy’s obviously wanna make their mark on rape statistics. I’m willing to bet the only statistics that will be affected is sales “going down”.
Report Post »meamerican
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:32pmSomething good has come of this – Mens dresses are now 50% OFF!
Report Post »maumau
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:38pmif macys was really lgbt friendly they would build them their own separate changing room
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:55pmVery good point MAUMAU.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:04pmI actually agree with MAUMAU.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:05pmTo a certain degree, anyway. It would be a third changing room for people who identify outside the gender binary or who simply don’t wish to choose.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:14pmit should have went to Wallmart there’s are marked
Report Post »Men
Women
Not sure
Don’t care
zman173rd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:17pmYou got that right Pa PA oooohMAUMAU !!
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:23pmWhere’s the fitting room for animalistic junta gender unspecific narcoleptic betwetters? HUH? Excuse my ridiculous hyperbolic example, but how many fitting rooms should Macy’s provide? This is an open invitation for heterosexual males to cross dress to get into women’s fitting rooms. What’s next, male cross dressers (who say they’re female) must be permitted in women’s showers? Just another attempt to blur the lines between males and females. Oh, that’s right, men and women are all the same. It’s nurture, not nature. It’s a world gone mad I tell you.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:26pmNice little non-sequitur there.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:35pmI get it… you don’t agree with an idea (or understand it) so you attempt to diminish it.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:44pmNo, your argument literally is not a good analogy. It doesn’t make sense.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:54pmWho really needs anything Macy’s sells anyway?
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:03amNot to you, because you think Macy‘s and other corporations have an infinite amount of money to placate every psycholigical manifestation of one’s gender preference. The more the Left “educates” the weak minded, the more confused they are and the less capable they are dealing with reality. The cross dresser, and “HIS” entourage, are just spoiled children who want their way, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit just like the OWS kooks. What you neglect to understand Discord, is that your side is no longer original. You are caricatures of yourselves. To be original now, is to be against political correctness. Too many people are incapable of standing up to the Left and their irrational name calling. All we hear (and I‘m glad you don’t resort to that… thank you) is how someone is racist, homophobic, intolerant, xenophobic, etc. You should stand up against that hate mongering as well. I dare you.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:07amI don‘t care about what’s ~original~ as if philosophies were a fashion trend, I care about what is best for everyone.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:09amAnd I do agree that Macy’s is tacky and overpriced, but that’s irrelevant.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:36amdiscord, if you cannot be respectful at least be honest…. you dont “care about what is best for everyone”…. you only care about what is best for you trannys. you dont any idea what is BEST for everyone. allowing a tranny into woman‘s change locker is not BEST for anyone’s daughter / mother / grandmother.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:45amSo all a guy has to do to ogle half dressed girls is walk into a Macy’s wearing a dress? Cool, wonder if my kilt is good enough.
Report Post »jchrzo109
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:54ami can”t believe the controversy….if you are born a man then you use the mens dressing room if you were born a woman you use the womans dressing room if you dont fell like you are really of a certain gender you visit a doctor not a fitting room
Report Post »srjim2000
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:42amIs this why Glenn wants to move to Texas?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 2:44amsirhan- “Christian countries” (This tends to be your terminology when refering to America)have many more freedoms than in your country.
Ill try and make this easy k?
Your jihad or whatever compells you to lash out at everything not matching your idology. We are a republic, not a religion. You know, how you guys mix church and state and stuff? It tends to REALLY effect womens rights in your country, Im pretty sure.
The woman working at the store may not be a christian and the crossdressing freak is definitly not a christian.
So:
Only in a Mulslin country like yours would a man dressed like a woman think he could get away with using a ladies fitting room without being stoned to death. and stuff
Only in a Muslim country would your women telling a man dressed like a woman that he could not use your ladies fitting room get stoned to death for it. boyee
Only in a Muslim country could you be having a conversation and be stone to death for it….fun
WTF?
In America many people guilty of true crimes are freed after a trial of their peers, SO THAT NO INNOCENT MAN OR WOMAN NO BE PUNISHED FOR A CRIME THEY DID NOT COMMIT.
Report Post »This is one of the basic reasons why this “Christian country” will never submit to your arcane society, culture or religion EVER. :) have a nice day.
Walkabout
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 5:26amWow, all the trolls & demented people came out on this article.
The Red Deer Paradox explains transgender wannabees quite well.
What so funny is the transgender even has gays confused. They just don’t get it. The uniformly support the transgendered, but they have no clue why they way they are. They have not even posited a theory as to why they are that way, not clue. To boot they are at such a loss for an explanation that they don’t care anymore to come up with one.
Transgendered is like the rest of LGBT. It is a mental disorder. Islam is gaining ground demographically so I hope the LGBT posse has fun in the NWO.
Report Post »mean_conservative_teacher
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 6:00amTransgendereds do not want their own dressing room: they want to sashay into the opposite sex dressing room and force everyone there to suspend reality and accept them as something they are not. They want to be just as provocative as they can so that they can get a rise out of someone, employees, other customers, whomever; so that when that happens, they can play the victim game and guilt an even larger audience into pc irrationalism. “help! The nasty bigot is huwting mah feewings”.
Report Post »Choctaw25
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 7:11amAs a senior citizen (aka Dirty Old Man), I was not aware that Macy’s had this policy. I have been wondering what I was going to do with all my spare time now that I am retired.
Report Post »Macy’s has answered my prayers. I will be spending all my time in the Womens dressing room at my local Macy’s store. They have admitted that they can’t stop me, if I just act a little wussie and swish a little.
Who said dreams can’t come true in America??????
dmforman
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 8:38amThanks for letting me know about this policy. My policy will be not to shop at Macy’s any longer. I don’t want to be changing with any men for any reason. Macy’s has a right to have their policy, but I also have a right to my own policy of not shopping at Macy’s.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 9:39amOh God how I wish it were 1955 all over again… Those were the days when women were women and men were men, the rest hid in the closet..
Report Post »Leader1776
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:57am@justanother
Report Post »Great post. I would suggest though that it is not the world as a whole that is mad, but specific segments. Energies should be directed towards those segments to overcome the wrong-headed thinking. Yes, many ill-directed factions, but they still represent a small (and boisterous) part of the populous.
This_Individual
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:25amDEMINT, you wish it was 1955 again? When national socialism still had a good representation in our country?
http://rexcurry.net/
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:37amThis_Individual
Report Post »The neo_nazi parties were an insignificant portion of the 1950s population as they are today. Don’t know WTH you are talking about.
Ruler4You
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:18pmI guess the real question here is: “why have gender based dressing rooms at all, then”? I mean, if a boy is a dog is a horse is a flower is a tree, then it also stands to reason that a boy is also a girl.
This insane logic doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. (http://www.ourcivilisation.com/moral2/test.htm)
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:29pmWALKABOUT “neo-nazi’s”? I’m talking about the Bellamy national socialists who began their drivel by using the Baptist Church to spread their totalitarianist ideology. There is nothing “neo” about this. Please understand that national socialist ideology is not confined to the National Socialist German Workers Party or NAZI. In fact, it might surprise you that the swastica was used in the soviet union as well.
Report Post »Please check this link out, it might give you more information on our true enemy.
This_Individual
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:30pmSorry, here’s the link.
http://www.rexcurry.net
Report Post »freedomsareus
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:19pmToo bad that every class of pervert doesn’t have their own dressing room. Hermaphrodites, homosexuals, pedophiles, sodomites, exhibitionists, sadists, masochists, coprophiliacs, necrophiliacs, rapists, and all that I forgot to mention. Their dressing room should be out the doors, behind the dumpster.
Report Post »mtnhimike
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 6:15pmI stopped shopping at Macy’s years ago. the Red Star reminds me of the Communist Soviet Union and China. I just think there is something wrong with a company that has a Red Star representing Communism as their symbol. They should change it if they ever want my family to darken their doors. I send back their sales material, return to sender, I just hate that company.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 8:26pmWe need a 3rd public restroom choice: “Others”
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 8:52pmThe majority of women would not like to share a dressing room or bathroom with a male even if he wore dresses.
Report Post »toto
Posted on December 7, 2011 at 12:10amJust because a man wants to be a woman doesn’t make him one. Idiots are taking over everything and common sense is no more,
Report Post »Onlybev
Posted on December 7, 2011 at 8:17amI have shopped at Macy’s for years. Usually over the internet. No longer. I do not want a man coming into my dressing room (womens). I would be very uncomfortable and I don’t think my husband would like it either. I believe this policy will lose them business.
Report Post »Mustangrider
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 3:52pmMarried men should accompany their wives into the fitting rooms to protect them, if Macy’s personnel object they need to be reminded of their own company policy.
Report Post »RossPoldark
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:57pmIf I were a woman and and IT wanted to come into the women’s dressing room, I would have wanted to be notified there was a man room. If I were a woman, and I was dressed as a man, would you men here mind if I walked into the man’s bathroom you were taking a piss in the wall urinals!?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:04pmNot in the slightest, why would that bother us?
Report Post »NYHuguenot
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:07pmNot me. Nothing to be ashamed of here.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:09pmSettle down folks. I dont see what the problem is
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:11pmMore sick sh.t
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:13pmSo what? Putting on a dress makes you a woman. Must not be much to be a woman. Women are you not deeply offended that you are considered no more than a dress.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:22pmMacy’s is so stupid. Women with money will not shop there for this stupidity and will certainly not be so ignorant as to ever try clothes on again in their dressing rooms. And straight men don‘t shop at Macy’s so they don‘t care who is in the men’s dressing rooms. Well done, Fools!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:37pmIt never bothered me in Korea, in most bars there was just one bathroom, you could be standing at the urinal, and in walked a woman to use the stall. You got used to it.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:37pmWell i’d wanna see proof that you were a woman before you were welcome
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:40pmYou mean like an ID?
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:50pm@discord, Not exactly like that
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:59pmCrocodile Dundee type package check.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:03pmThat’s just invasive.
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:16pmWhere is the TSA when you need them?
Report Post »zman173rd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:25pmDon’t see what the problem is? nudge… nudge a little bit more… nudge some more… Who me worry? What problem? I see no problem….nudge… Make a separate bathroom.. nudge… The sales girl could should have asked someone else to take her place for a while nudge… Animals in the changing room nudge..? Glass doors for those who are Claustro“CLOSET”phobic” nudge… LGBT garment racks for those who “tastes” vary slightly from the “abnormal” people…nudge… Ya”ll don’t get it and never will until you get it “in the end”. nudge nudge, wink wink.
Report Post »IdeasHaveConsequences
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:40pmNo joke. I’m not shopping at a store where all a creeper has to do is dress up as a woman to enter the fitting rooms. No thanks. I’ll play it safe and shop online, thank you very much.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:52pmROSSPOLDARK. Though I agree with the first part of your statement somehow I think that allot of men would get a cheap thrill out of a woman going into their restroom. I can hear allot of “Yeah baby.” if the woman was attractive. If she was not they would most likely insult her until she left. Sorry guys, but I think that I might be right on this one. I think the employee made the right decision, Macey’s was wrong and I think it will hurt their business. That is if any media reports it.
Report Post »TEXASGRANNY73
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 2:14amTag. You’re IT.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 5:59amI do not want men – however “confused” they are, in a fitting room, locker room or bathroom with me, my mother, daughter or nieces
Report Post »MirabellaDesign
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 8:53amLOL…Really bad analogy… real men are dogs… too bad my local Macy’s is almost 2 hours away… i have a coconut bra and grass skirt around here somewhere…
Report Post »TeaPartyGoth97
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:02amThat’s the point, discord.
Report Post »TeaPartyGoth97
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:02amThat’s the point, discord.
Report Post »loveliberty83
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:49pmLol I did this in a McDonalds in Paris
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:53pmOnce the word gets out that Macy’s allows men inside the womens dressing rooms they are going to be flooded with all kinds of weirdos. I really think they are going to regret this dumb decision. The first woman that is sexually assaulted in the dressing room is going to win millions. If you have Macy’s stock SELL IT NOW.
Report Post »RossPoldark
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:00pmI ain’t shopping at Macys.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:06pmSo Macy stores are welcoming occupy wall streeters into their womens fitting rooms now
Report Post »digitalist
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:28pmAny women wanna make a million?!
Report Post »I’ll be your perp – you can pay me after you settle!
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:53pmNo Barney Frank, you can’t use the ladies room, most the women just ate.
They are in New York, the person running the dressing room must be related to the soup Nazi,
“No Cross Dressing for you, you come back, two weeks”
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:46pmIf I was in the ladies dressing room with my daughter and a man came in to try on a dress, I would raise holy … Complain to management that infringed upon my rights as a women and never visit the store again.
If a woman is dressed in jeans, picks out a mans shirt and goes into the men’s dressing room this is considered fine and dandy?
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:50pmIf they identify as male then yes, it should be ‘fine and dandy’.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:55pmBEVERLLE, “If a woman is dressed in jeans, picks out a mans shirt and goes into the men’s dressing room this is considered fine and dandy?”
Not that I use dressing rooms but, I wouldn’t mind at all. You can’t see the other persons happy parts anyway, can you?
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:42am@DISCORD
Report Post »Are you sowing discord? Trolling, trolling, trolling Discord!
sirdevloin
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:16pmI agree! What about the women in the dressing rooms? They don’t want a man in there, no matter his preferences or orientation. He has a penis. He needs to be in the men’s dressing room. Or Macy‘s should offer a unisex changing room option for those that don’t care. Oh wait, then people would probably start having sex in the changing room. Great. Launder everything before you put it on.
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:24pmNo matter what ‘they’ ‘think’ they are, they have no RIGHT to infringe upon others rights. They are males or females by DNA and physical characteristics that they were BORN with, not what they think they are. It is just stupid and infantile. This is a black and white issue if ever there was one. But since Macy’s seem determined to bend to the will of the minute minority, which is fine, it’s their company, then I see fit not to shop there. I could care less what kind of rules a company chooses to make. I do however want to know so I can make an informed decision whether I choose to spend my money there. I am offended that they put the majority of their customers in this position, but unlike the libs, I don’t want a law change or to shut down what offends me, but the choice of whether I will patron said business. Macy’s may have an issue with both policies in place if this woman should choose to go after them…looks like they will have to make a moral decision of their own in the near future…
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:41pmNext they will have the right to exchange BJ’s in churches.
Report Post »shagstar
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:40pmand now their allowed in our military! just don’t drop the soap!
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:18amIt hasn’t gotten to that point…yet.
Report Post »Survivor101
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:37pmWhy bash Macys….just dress in drag – and go in and ogle every woman you see in the dressing room area…heck – get a bunch of buddies together, get your special glow ( a beer or two) and have a BLAST!!!!! Use their own PC idiocy against them.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:48pmI think assuming anyone with a penis is automatically a pervert is just a wee bit sexist, myself.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:45pmWhere did you get the assumption from that post that all men are perverts? I don’t understand how you came to that conclusion.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:54pmThis and other posts make it seem like people are assuming that this and any trans person who wants to use a dressing room is somehow a pervert.
Report Post »Survivor101
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:53amNot at all…I am simply stating….it has been traditionally off limits to men. Overwhelm the area with men and see how long it will be tolerated. They have really opened themselves up on this and created a precedent that would be very difficult to defend if they allowed any man not to use the female dressing rooms at this point. That being said…you could really add to the invasive acts by being a wee bit rude in eyeing women back there to enhance the probability of an uncomfortable environment and complaints about men being in the female changing areas…use their own PC against them.
Report Post »I would advise women to do the same on the male side…believe it or not…to the libs that want to make this about a “penis” or assumptions on my part, it is all about the PC of it regardless of all else. There really is no tolerance where they claim tolerance…just try!
crabbyoldman
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:33pmLets all boycott macys and spread this item all roung the net!!!!!!
Report Post »majorsco
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:47pmMacy’s is now the preferred store for sorts of freaks! Good people need not patronize a store like this.
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:19pmLet`s see, perverted men in the women changing rooms.SOUNDS INVITING
Report Post »4meitsT
Posted on December 7, 2011 at 4:01pmI find it interesting that we are all having fun with the “sex” side of this. BTW, if women went into the man’s side, there probably wouldn’t be that much backlash; we’d just enjoy it ; ). I am foursquare with boycotting/not shopping @ Macy’s secondary to their idiotic bending to every PC asininity that comes down the pike; somone said it’s their right to make policy, and my right not to patronize them. That was well said indeed! I think the “test” if you will, can be found in how the Corporation handles the religious issue stated by the ex-employee. Perhaps they will re-instate her, thus gaining a small amount of respect (which I seriously doubt), but more likely they will continue to kowtow to the PC crowd. Really, it’s quite simple-If you have a penis, you are a MALE. Use the appropriate dressing area, and vice versa. If you are confused, LOOK.
Report Post »namkrow
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:33pmCrossdressing is not “transgendered”. Transgendered takes a knife.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:46pmNot necessarily.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:22pmA person who is psycologically diagnosed as transgendered has to live as the sex they identify as for years before they can get surgery. It’s not easy for them in the early stages of their transformation when it is still obvious from their appearance that they are transgendered. It is just common human decency to not deliberately make it harder on them by pointing out that their appearance is not yet convincing as if they didn’t already know that. The bottom line is no retail store is going to keep on some nasty goon who claims her religion requires her to insult customers.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:40pmExactly Chet :D
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:49pmWhat happens when it is a pervert though? How will you be able to tell the difference? Maybe a special compass like device or radar? Will it beep when it’s not a tranny ,but a pervert? Ultimately it doesn’t matter what they feel or look like, as long as they are XX or XY they are what they were born until science can do something more than just a fancy face/body lift and change an XX into an XY and vice versa.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:55pmA biological male in a mens dressing room or a biological female in a womens dressing room pose just as much of a potential threat to others in the room with them as anyone else. Women hurt women, men hurt men. They don’t have to have different genitalia.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:32pmAll of this stuff is more of the same: the militant left riding rough-shod over the rest of U.S. Remember, leftists are fascists at heart. In that I mean, they will use any ruse, any outrage to get their way. PC stores like Macy’s plays right into their hands, either unknowingly or by being complicit.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:47pmI don’t understand why you people take such offense to the way other people live their lives.
Armyof One
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:10pmDiscord, We don’t care what you want to do with, or to your own life. Just as long as it doesn’t impact mine in any way.
Which is the problem here at Macy’s.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:17pmBut this woman only wanted to try on clothes. It would not have impacted anyone; she would have been in her little stall and everyone else would be in theirs. No infringement.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:23pmDiscord…..
Report Post »everyone is entitled to seek life, liberty and pursue happines… until it infringes on another’s same rights. I used to be more tolerant, until after 44 years, my older brother told me he wants to be my sister, then he took my daughter’s name. then he told me my feelings/opinions on the issue dont matter because HIS phD in psychology hold more value than my 20 years experience as a parent. everyone is entitled to seek happiness as long as they dont get in the way of other’s. born a man, choose to become a woman, have surgery and at the end, my brother will still be a man, in a dress with a mutilated peepee
8jrts
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:29pm@Discord
Report Post »“Us people” don’t take such offense to the way other people live their lives…..that is until it adversely affects OUR lives. Having a man in the woman’s dressing room, when most of the time privacy is not there because curtains don’t cover the doors, or the doors don‘t close properly would affect a woman’s feeling of safety and privacy when she is stripping down to try on clothes. She won’t care if he is wearing high heels or not. If you can’t understand that you have crossed into the PC swamp of no return. Macy’s policy is just plain wrong. As another had posted…..it will be a huge law suit when some poor women gets assaulted.
JohnnyRaiden
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:42pmDIscord, do you know what that Macy’s dressing room looked like? Yes? No? I’ve seen dressing rooms that are rooms with stalls and no doors, so in fact other’s could very well see you IMPACTING YOU. Or how about if it was the employee working in the stall who was a crossdresser pervert? Your child could easily be taken advantage off if you were not allowed in the dressing room. I don’t think they were just stall like most walmarts etc have ,but rooms with stalls which is a big difference.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:42pmIf the PC swamp of no return means respect for others, so be it.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:13pmBelieve it or not, people are all different and they tend to enjoy going out in public as part of living their lives. You will see things that you don’t understand or agree with, but that does not mean that they should be seen as a threat. That is a very barbaric way of looking at things.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:29amDiscord, you keep referring to the MALE cross-dresser as “she”, did you not read the story…or the headline?
Report Post »I will say this, if I had a daughter and she comes out of a dressing room telling me about a guy wearing womens clothing that was stalking around….I’d probably get arrested for beating the sicko quite severely.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 6:00amLatter-Day-Soldier
Report Post »It is simple common courtesy to refer to any transgendered person by the pronoun of the gender they feel themselves to be and intend to become, no matter what stage of transformation they may be in. you may be a soldier, but you are no gentleman.
BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:11pm@Discord
“I don’t understand why you people take such offense to the way other people live their lives.”
You are attacking the wrong side. Non-gay/lesbian/transgendered people have been complying with the view point of accepting alternative lifestyles. Look how far this group has come just in the last 15-20 years. The reason people get outraged is because it has moved beyond mere acceptance- the gay/lesbian/transgendered lifestyle MUST be celebrated now.
“But this woman only wanted to try on clothes. It would not have impacted anyone; she would have been in her little stall and everyone else would be in theirs. No infringement.”
But, she isn’t a woman and that IS the issue. Regardless of if the transvestite was in his own individual stall, I would not feel comfortable changing clothes in the same dressing room, nor would I feel comfortable allowing my daughters to do so.
And- unfortunately, I think that if retail stores did provide- say, a unisex dressing room they would still be attacked by the gay/lesbian/transgendered community because it segregates them into a different category. They want to be the same as everyone else, but they are not and that is the issue. And the progressive agenda is to obscure all sense of modesty and inhibitions so that people can be free to do what ever they wish without any sense of guilt or negative consequence. If you drive out one’s conscious (if it were possible) you ultimately achieve, peace- utopia.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:31pmI would’ve fired her too if she continually went against company policy. Especially when you are supposed to tell your employer if there is anything that might hinder your adherence to company policy. Your persoal religious beliefs should not have anything to do with company policy.
Report Post »Objective_Reasonableness
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:03pmHowever, according to the article Macy’s does have a policy which is “also non-discriminatory toward religion” in place regarding their employees. This is a catch-22 for Macy’s. But since Macy’s did decide to enforce one policy and not the other~ place me in the category of no longer shopping there. I think it is totally inappropriate for an individual who is clearly one gender seeking to use the dressing facilites of the opposite gender. Even IF this persons intentions were clearly innocent it is not appropriate. When will people realize when your “rights” infringe on my rights it is no longer acceptable.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:48pmWhether or not a company should accomodate an individual’s religious beliefs us up to the company, right? If I were Christian and knew of this company’s policy regarding the issue in question, I would unfortunately have to turn the job down.
Report Post »” When will people realize when your “rights” infringe on my rights it is no longer acceptable.”
When it’s an issue with company policy, your options are limited. I completely understand what you mean, but we can’t have companies conforming to our respective religious beliefs. Besides, would she have turned down a pregnant, unmarried teen because of her religious beleifs?
Collbuzz
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:08pmUnless you are a Muslim
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:42amTEXASGRANNY- Just because the folks who penned our constitution were Christian/Catholic does not mean that we are a theocracy. I respect everyone’s freedom to practice the religion of their choice (which was the intention of our founding fathers), free from government censorship. But this young lady went against company policy and used her religion as a shield. I doubt that she had the ingegrity that this story is attempting to portray.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:37pm@Individual-
The company had TWO policies!!! One supporting gay/lesbians/transgenders and one supporting freedom of religion. The employee did not go against company policy. From the article, it sounds like she was uninformed of the other policy. Had she realized that Macy’s did have a policy supporting the rights of transgenders she could have brought the conflict to her superiors attention via a hypothetical situation and asked them what should be done if she were ever faced with it. If her employers said that a transgenders’ rights trumps her religious rights, she could determine whether or not she could work for them. I believe that company’s should have the right to make their own policies, free from government intervention. Ultimately it is the consumer who will influence such policies now and in the future as long as we remain a capitalistic economy. However, we can not allow ourselves to get to such a point that Christians have to compromise their beliefs just to earn an income. We can not allow social mores to move us in that direction- which is at the heart of this very debate.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:29pmSay Bye Bye to my business Macy’s….Never again.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:34pmSay bye-bye to Christian religious rights at Macy’s! As for me and my family, we‘re sayin’ buh-bye to Macy’s period!
This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:41pmDAG- Does this really have to do with Christian religious rights? She wasn’t practicing her religion, she was defying company policy. Should Macy’s change company policy to appease her religious beliefs? That would be more like Shariah than anything else.
Report Post »JohnnyRaiden
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:51pmIndividual~ Did you read all the article? Macy’s also has a policy not to discriminate against religious choice. Was the worker stupid in how she executed it? Little bit yes, but in no way is your hyperbole correct.
Report Post »ThisIndividual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:42pmJohnny, The policy on religion is to insure that the customer is served regardless of religion. Also, it’s there to show there will be no discrimination against potential employees during the hiring process.
Report Post »She was not “allegedly” fired because of her religion, it was because of failure to abide by company policy. But this has nothing with a guy walkin into a women’s dressing room, does it? It has everything to do with this person’s sexuality (or a perceived perversion), & that’s not accepted in my religion (thankfully).
martyhittle
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:00pmI suspect neither one of you did much shopping at Macys to begin with.
Report Post »The giveaway: Neither one of you can spell Macys.
Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:29pmShe was rightfully fired.
Report Post »This person was clearly actually transgender, and there is nothing wrong with that. She was a woman and should thus be granted access to the fitting room that is designated to her gender.
It is often extremely scary and uncomfortable for a trans person to have to use a bathroom or fitting room that does not match their identified gender.
namkrow
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:36pmDid you read the article? It clearly says, “The cross-dressing young man claimed that he is a “female.” Johnson said that he was wearing make-up and girl’s clothing, but clearly he was a male.”, which flies in the face of what you just wrote. Keep it real.
If you’re truly transgendered, you would at least look “somewhat” like a woman and this wouldn’t be an issue.
This guy might look like Momar Khadafi in a dress for all we know.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:40pmJust because it was easy to see her biological sex does not mean that she was not trans. Some people don’t pass as well as others.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:40pmPerhaps she was also just beginning her transition and had not yet started hormones or had any kind of surgery.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:41pmRofl…… Sorry, I just can not react to that. It is just too bizarre. Seek help. Wait…, “She WAS a woman”? Uh, shouldn’t that be “She WAS a man?” See? Even you are confused by it all.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:44pmI said was in reference to the article.
Report Post »She is a woman, excuse me.
Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:45pmWell, things are changing and people are learning and beginning to understand themselves and others.
Report Post »you’d best educate yourself too and become a little kinder.
beverlee
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:54pmSo, basically you say to hey with the women who would object to a man being in their dressing room. Nice. Just because HE thinks HE is a she does not make it so. You are quite the nutter.
Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:19pmHer brain is female, therefore she is. Gender and sex are not as black and white as people make them out to be anyway.
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:20pm@DISCORD you’re whats wrong with this country….. you and people like you make me sick.
Psychosis
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:22pmya um no, your incorrect
if the he / she/ it has the y chromosome it/she/ he is a her
if the thing has an x chromosome, its a him ( i may have that backwards, dont really give a shyt to look it up )
the he/ she / it thinking hoping praying, or cutting to make oneself look like the opposite sex doesnt change the FACT that they ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE
if you think it does, please imagine your superman and take a jump off a tall structure………..when reality hits you, let me know if your imagination has changed anything
Report Post »UrbanCombatSurvivor
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:23pmSo it is your belief that the whole of society should no longer have the right to their own comfort so that this minute percentage of the fringe can feel comfortable? It is not yours, or theirs, or mine to decide what someone else is comfortable with. People are sick of this extremist fringe trying to force their morals and values down the throats of the rest of society.
Society should not indulge the mentally ill at the cost of everyone else. Indulging weak minded activists does nothing but degrade and subvert our society as a whole.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:26pmNot a woman… he/she see’s him/herself as woman, but society has norms and REAL women have the absolute right to dress without the discomfort of dealing with someone else’s delusion
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:44pmIf other people have a problem with it, they are ignorant and can simply educate themselves.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:02pmNO — other people that have a problem with this are certainly not ignorant. Any woman or any parent of daughers would rightfully have a problem with a man-in-drag in the woman’s changing stall. Pity for the tranny that today there is not separate changing stall for their special needs, but calling foul when a woman’s privacy rights are compromised is far far from ignorant.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:07pmI’m sorry for children whose parents think trans people are something to be feared.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:21pmtoss around words like ignorance and fear, and wonder why society in general doesnt accept your position. someone in opposition can try to be fair and respectful but the victim / entitlement mentality cannot be rationalized with. good luck Discord, but just as society has to deal with you trannys, you trannys will have to deal with intolerance and discomfort.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:27pmIntolerance is a result of fear, and fear is a result of ignorance. Don’t try to tell me that they are irrelevant.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:29pmNot my fault people are far too lazy and stupid to learn.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:48pmGee Discord, where’s your sympathy for her beliefs? I guess inclusion only means including your beliefs and not hers. If you really mean what you say, do you believe that it‘s okay that a white person can’t join the Black Caucus? Or do you think there should be a white or brown or yellow caucus. Would I be right to say that you don’t believe in a melting pot, but rather multiculturalism is your ideology of choice? E. Pluribus Unum baby. Would love to know where you got your “degree”.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:54pmIf a ‘belief’ means denying another person the ability to live their day to day life and use their rights, it should not be acceptable. People should be allowed to do what it wants as long as it does not infringe on others, and not allowing this woman to try on clothes is infringement. The christian woman would still have been allowed to be a christian, no problem. No one was stepping on her toes.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:04amI dont agree with the forced acceptance and i am lazy, stupid, ignorant and fearful. compelling argument
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:06amYes. Yes you are. :)
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:07amSo do you believe that children should have the right to pray in school? How about the right to open a business without undue regulations? And you never answered my question about the Black Caucus. Is it okay to “exclude” another race? Please help me understand.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:10ampot, meet kettle
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:11amWell said Psychosis.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:13amI guess you did finally resort to insults Discord. Takes a mighty intellect to call someone lazy and stupid. Breathtaking I must admit.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:17amI’m pretty sure that a melting pot and multiculturalism are one in the same.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:34amIf you think a melting pot and multiculturalism is one and the same, I‘m very sure you’re not as smart as you think you are. A melting pot means people of separate beliefs, religions, ethnicities, etc. who come together into a homogenous union called America. Multiculturalism maintains a separation of cultures, religions, ideas, etc. To give you an example, my grandparents came here and wanted to become American. They wanted to speak English and didn‘t want to keep their native country’s culture because if they did, they wouldn’t “melt” into the pot of indistinguishable Americans. Many imigrants now believe that they don‘t need to speak or read English because they would giving up their national origin’s identity. Talk about lazy. But, as long as there are Democrats to foster immigrant’s multiculturalistic tendencies, the weaker our country will get and the more violent demonstrations will become. Pretty soon, we won’t know who we are because every culture will want their own country, not America.
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:43amAww jeez discord (eyes rolling, head shaking), even European leaders are saying that multiculturalism doesn’t work….the leaders of Germany and France among them!
Report Post »The gay community has gone waaaay beyond wanting “acceptance” of their “lifestyle” and are becoming more fascist in persecuting anyone who doesn’t embrace their views.
lightfollowsdarkness
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 11:01amIT IS NOT A WOMAN, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! It is REALLY annoying me that you keep regarding this individual as SHE.
Report Post »ZomBrad
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:37amAnd that is why you fail, Discord. You’re selfish. You’re on here saying the same thing to those who want their reality the way THEY would have it…..but they’re somehow wrong. Yet you’re not, concerning heaven…..interesting ;)
Report Post »BowHuntingTexas
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:27pmFTA – “Johnson’s boss referred her to Macy’s LGBT policy which allows “transgender” people to change in any dressing room they want.”
So, who’s getting special treatment and additional rights here?
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:41pmAnd yet trans people are assaulted and harassed all the time for using the bathroom or dressing room they feel they should be able to use.
Report Post »Depressing.
4truth2all
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:07pmIf I don‘t pretend to be a horse I won’t get stomped in the stable.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:31pmI can paint my house white, but that dont make it the White House. born a man… hormones and surgery cannot change God’s will.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:39pmThere is no God.
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:52pmpoor poor Discord! There absolutely is a God! … have faith; believe and here you may find peace and balance. may no person force their faith/beliefs on you Discord, and may no person force their sexual delusion on the rest of us that are content to live within society’s norms
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:59pmI believed once. I almost committed suicide.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:10pmRacial segregation used to be a societal norm. Would you be comfortable if it still was?
Report Post »lurking_in_sd
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:29pmracial discrimination was absolutely wrong, just as privacy based on genetic gender is absolutely right. if you once had an outie, you have no business dressing with the rest of the innie’s
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:33pmIt is discrimination and it is wrong.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:22amDiscord. If you’re not serious about almost committing suicide, then you’re more perverse than I thought. If you did almost commit suicide, your argument is weak. I had a friend who almost went through a sex change operation, but instead committed suicide. Suicide stretches across all areas of society, but I’d be willing to guess that there are less religious suicides than non-religious ones (excluding radical Islamist terrorists, of course). Oh, come to think of it, they’re different too. I bet there’s a place in your heart for those wacky Islamo-Nazis, huh?
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:26amI am completely serious.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:27amAnyway, I am happier without religion than I ever was with.
Report Post »I used to be very focused on the idea of hell; now I enjoy the beauty and complexity of nature with a light heart and a lot of optimism.
RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:29am“I almost committed suicide.” You must have a very poor understanding of Christianity if you think that suicide gets you to Heaven.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:36amI didn’t, but I wanted to end my obsessive thoughts.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:36amI‘m seriously glad that you’re happy. That’s a good thing. Let me ask you Discord. If you had the choice to have a Heaven after life, would you want it? If not, why not?
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 4:52amAssuming it made any sense for an afterlife to exist to begin with, I’d be interested in heaven only if heaven would be what I wanted it to be, but nothing I’ve heard sounds terribly appealing. Boring, really.
Report Post »ZomBrad
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:38amTHIS BELONGS HERE…
And that is why you fail, Discord. You’re selfish. You’re on here saying the same thing to those who want their reality the way THEY would have it…..but they’re somehow wrong. Yet you’re not, concerning heaven…..interesting ;)
Report Post »koibaby
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:27pmEwwwwww!
Report Post »InversionTheory
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:27pmMacy’s as a company is very supportive of the homosexual and transgender communities. I’ve known several regional managers who were gay. I say let the market decide. If you don’t want this, don’t shop there.
I love my transgender brothers and sisters….even if I do not understand.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:35pmI respect your bravery for posting here. This young lady was wrong for imposing her religious views on company policy. If she had any tact, she might have asked another employee to cover her while this was taking place. I‘m sure Macy’s might have respected that.
Report Post »ZAP
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:25pmI say leave the store to the q u e e r s
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:52pmwe’re here, get used to it. ;)
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:23pm@Discord,
Report Post »Chaz…, is that you? Sorry that dancing thing didn’t work out. At any rate, I really don‘t think that one can ’get used’ to something unnatural. In fact I would say that to regard the unnatural as natural is well…, the definition of ‘unbalanced’.
Anyway, I hope it somehow works out for you, though I’m rather doubtful.
Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:36pmToo bad it’s natural.
Report Post »RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:53pmIt’s not natural, it’s perverted and wrong.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:54pmAccording to whom?
Report Post »RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:59pmIt’s wrong according to the bible.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:00amThen it’s wrong according to people who believe in the bible. Which is not everyone, and certainly not nature itself.
Report Post »RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:19am“Then it’s wrong according to people who believe in the bible. Which is . . . certainly not nature itself.” Nature was created by God and is therefore not in conflict with the bible.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:31amOnly if you believe the bible.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:39amWhat do you believe Discord?
Report Post »uzeguize
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:48pmMacy’s should provide two fitting areas. If their policy is truly non-discriminatory, then they must know that regardless of belief, creed or their ability to understand, someone is going to be either confused or threatened and physical harm could unintentionally ensue to either. Therefore, if the being upsetting the norm has the right to choose their preference. No problem, just vacate that set of rooms, post a presence to secure the area until they are done and the issue is solved. Or you must announce that some being dressed in traditional female gender garments but may actually appear to be a male in the historical anatomical basis with
Report Post »ll be entering the area. Oh, and of course this will need to be done in every language known to man. If it is then cleared have at it. Absurd, yes, but I dare Discord or Chet Hemphead to find the flaw in the argument. No discrimination and it puts the choice in he hands of the individuals, right? Yes. We shall see how tolerant folks really are I would imagine and it will have zero to do with religion or belief.
txn4justice
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:26pmMaybe they need to install one of those uni-sex toilets so employees don’t have to get fired for enforcing social norms and commonly followed public standards the USA has been following for the last 100 plus years.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 2:22amI would say some “private” dressing rooms are in order for the “trans” clientel .. unless they want to lose all of there straight lady clientel .. I would NEVER try anything on in Macy’s after hearing about their “policy” ..
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:40am@CATB
Report Post »You make a great point. The pervs will use that to their advantage. Macy’s is just worried about a lawsuit.
Tort reform is the answer.
martyhittle
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:24pm1) ALL dressing rooms in ALL Macys are of the cubicle type with a latching door.
Report Post »2) I‘m sure you’ve already been around transexual people around you, but were unaware of it.
3) Dear, no one is asking you to get into a cubicle with ANYONE…..
4) A lot of stores, including Macys, has had this policy for a long time now. Are you just
becoming aware of it?
5) Women, and transexual women should change in the women’s dressing room, don’t you
agree? Even if you don‘t agree with women and transexual women in the women’s dressing room
too bad: that’s the new norm. This is the appropriate place for TS women to change.
momrules
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:22pmI had no idea Macy’s allowed men in the ladies fitting rooms. I never shopped there often to begin with but now I surely won’t be going back.
Report Post »It is a shame that this lady has to compromise her principles or lose her job but that is America today.
crabbyoldman
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:36pmAre woman allowed in the mens rooms??????
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:43pmTrans men are/should be. MEaning men who happen to have been born female.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:11pmHope you and yours can replace the money that those of us with unconfused gender specific beliefs will purchase at Macy’s, DISCORD. Good luck with that.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:53pmEmphasis on beliefs.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:32pmDiscord, do you mean beliefs like “men who happen to have been born female.”? Or is that “scientifically proven like the big bang”?
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:37pmYep….my beliefs. And where my beliefs are, so my money goes these days! Again, hope Macy’s stays in business so you find acceptance in your perversion.
Report Post »RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:45pm“men who happen to have been born female.” Men are born male by definition.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:48pmActually, it is proven and makes sense scientifically. Have ou heard of intersex people? They are born with chromosomal abnormalities or different sex characteristics. Did you know that people are prone to simply being different? Neurologically, we are not all the same. Gasp! Some people with XY chromosomes have more female brains, and some with XX have more masculine brains. Some are even androgynous! http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
Report Post »RestoreFederalism
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:11amGenetically speaking, everyone is either male (has a Y chromosome) or female (doesn’t have a Y chromosome). Abnormalities in the X and Y chromosomes causes sexual abnormalities but not intersexuality. Physical intersexuality is the result of physical deformation, not genetics.
Report Post »justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:15amDiscord, you prove your own point about being different. Love the banter though. Without you this forum may just be boring. Let’s give it up for Discord. Hip hip, hooray.
Report Post »SpitFU
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 2:39am@Discord
“Trans men are/should be. Meaning men who happen to have been born female.”
You don’t happen to be born female. You are born male or female and then your mental and spiritual being makes a conscience choice to act and behave male or female. It is not biological, that Crossdressing, Transsexual, or Transgendered person seeks to become the opposite sex.
Lets get your facts straight as well about the differences between the above categories in plain english….
Crossdresser – A person who enjoys dressing in the opposites sexes clothing. I’ve meet and counseled many like this some married or single men and women. Most of which I have to say are married men.
Transsexual – A person not only feels comfortable crossdressing but also feels they need to additional female or male outward characteristics to complete the picture but aren’t comfortable losing existing male genitalia. They will go as far as pharmaceuticals and even go to great lengths to hide their true identity.
Transgendered – This simply a person who has gone over the threshold of past tense and have completed the outward and irrevocable physical change on their appearance and gentalia.
I see your heart is in the right place with your kindness, but spiritually I sense you are very lost. It takes almost no effort to deny the existence of God, it takes an immense amount of effort to seek Him. I love everyone, even you, and will pray because it is still not too late.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 4:53amWhat I believe or don’t believe is none of your business.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:06pm@Discord,
Report Post »“They are born with chromosomal abnormalities ”. You said it, not me.
martyhittle
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:33pmNo, you completely misunderstand. She, Ms. Johnson, is the one wanting to force her religous views upon others. If Macys belonged to her she would have the right to make her own rules dressing room/restroom polices; however, she doesn’t. She has absolutely no right to dictate to Macys what
Report Post »their policy should be. Likewise, she has absolutely no right to tell this other TS woman which dressing room she should use. How would Ms. Johnson feel if she walked into a store in which I was
only a clerk, and told her she had to follow my personal religous rules regardless of what the owners of the store said??
3monkeysmomma
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:22pmLook, I don’t “hate” anyone or seek to make already troubled peoples lives more difficult, but has anyone stopped to think, any clever rapist now only has to dress as a woman to enter a ladies restroom or store dressing room to find and unsuspecting, vulnerable victim to assault in a private place?
Report Post »katiefrankie
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:34pmFrankly, if I caught a man in the women’s dressing room, I would scream my head off for help. If I was then informed by the manager that, “It’s okay, he identifies as a woman, so he can go in there with you ladies,” I would kick off a campaign letting all shoppers in the surrounding areas know that to appease the PC crowd, I and my fellow female shopping companions are now expected to undress within reach of men, unprotected. And see what that does to the retail business foolish enough to espouse such a policy.
Report Post »Komponist-ZAH
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:51pmYep. Just because he wears a dress, doesn‘t mean he’s gay…
Report Post »martyhittle
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:27pmWOW! Have you ever been in a Macys store? Have you ever heard of a man dressing as a woman, hiding in the dressing room, and raping women? I think you have a very wild imagination. This wouldn’t be something a “clever rapist” would do. By the way, this is NOT a new policy at Macys nor is it an uncommon policy. Most store, restaurants, casinos, etc. already have this policy. It’s just so strange to learn so many people here are completely unaware of it. Women and TS women change in the women’s rooms, and men and TS men change in the men’s. That’s the appropriate arrangements of today, and not just at Macys. Sorry you’ve been asleep while the world has moved on….
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:22pmI would not have let the freak go in the dressing room.What is the world turning into ?????????
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:46pmShe is not a freak.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:24pmyes it is was it you ????? stay away from my kids freak
Report Post »ohyaok
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:35pmDiscord: Why are you trying to force your beliefs on us, I thought that was supposed to be intolerant.
Report Post »Discord
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 11:00pmAll I said was that she is not a freak.
Report Post »Is pretty much saying ‘hey, be nice’ forcing my beliefs on people? No.
justanother
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 12:44amDiscord, isn‘t it your belief that he’s a she? After all, he is a “cross dresser”. Transgender is a self applied role, not a scientifically identified gender. You “believe” he’s a she. That’s okay, but don‘t think that you’re not trying to force your beliefs on us. You are.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 5:53amA customer of the women’s department shouldn’t have to take the clothes they try on across the store to the men’s department and back every time they want to try on a different outfit. Anyone who sells women’s clothing knows that the transgendered are good customers, but they’ll be somebody else’s customers if you treat them with that kind of disrespect. Just call them “customer fitting rooms” and Polly Puritan will be able to serve all the customers of her department without feeling like she’s actively validating anyone’s belief that they are a different gender than the one they were born as.
Report Post »uzeguize
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:07pmNo one is a freak. No one is right or wrong. We just need to have everyone happy with who they are. If yor beliefs interfere with the collective happy indicator of the tribunal you will be subjected to correction at a designated facility. Should you resist, our patience is not without end. Be reasonable do it our way. You will be happier than if you had not.
Report Post »BenFranklinLivesHere
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:22pmSo if I understand this correctly, any man can simply say he‘s a female to have access to the women’s dressing room at Macy’s?
Report Post »God help us!
Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:54amSo how long do you think it will be before couples who get a kick out of cross dressing and exhibitionism get caught while engaging in “lewd acts” in a stores dressing room?
Report Post »uzeguize
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 10:00pmMaumau, a separate dressing room for the“who knows or whatevers” is not good enough. You fail to s see its the separate but equal thing. It comes down to equivalency. We want know one to be sure of who they are. (Yes, if you have to see a psychiatrist you are confused.) That way we can mold them so much better. Please don’t interfere we know better than you.
Report Post »Seriously, if we are this confused about individual liberty and responsibility our days as free and self-regulating people are at their end.
PJL
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:16pmWell if Beck is right and things are going to fall apart and we will have to reboot it, maybe then a man can be a man again and a woman a woman. This is too wrong, Macy’s please!
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:24pmWhen things fall apart soon, sissie boy is gonna have a very difficult time, trying to run away from the zombie horde while wearing heels.
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:25pmDon‘t be assuaged by the photo in red with the Macy’s star in white. The Macy’s Star is and has always been RED! Don’t believe me? Come to Silverdale, Washington and see for yourself. The star on their building is a RED STAR. The Communists and Liberal Democrats always and I mean ALWAYS come to the aid of the Progressive, avant-guard LEFT! This employee should sue, claiming social discrimination. Put the ball back in the Liberal court to defend. Demand a jury!
Report Post »katiefrankie
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:29pmTXPilot, the imagery is priceless. Maybe he can beat them off with his handbag???
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:14pmand at what point can we STOP jumping through hoops to please everyone?
Report Post »Skrewedretiree
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:40pmAshestoashes is right. I have boycotted Macy’s for years. Not hard to do- their prices are high! The only ones I see shopping there are the rich, liberal Democrats from the rich neighborhoods of central Kitsap County, Wa.
Those of us who actually worked for a living and a retirement have to shop at Walmart, Dollar Tree and Costco!
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:46pmMacy’s took a stand here Kanga. They obviously didn’t change their policy to please this young lady.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on December 6, 2011 at 1:29pmI dont shop at macy’s but seriously? do we need to have seperate dressing rooms now for the genetically challenged? if a person cannot look at themselves and figure out what gender they are they need to be in counseling not macys
Report Post »Bill from NJ
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:12pmThank you Macy’s for helping me with my decision…
Report Post »Never will you see another red cent from me again…
You are a bunch of PC cowards!!!
waggie
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 9:22pmI agree with you Bill. I just bought my very expensive Christmas party outfit from Macy’s and it is going back. I will purchase elsewhere. I think most of these cross dressers want to use the opposite sex’s dressing/bath/locker rooms because they are also pervs that want to see what they can see. Where has our sense of decency gone? This is what happens when you push God out of the way just so you can do whatever you want.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on December 5, 2011 at 10:04pmMe too…….and I was just about to start Christmas shopping. Will never again shop at Macy’s. Heck, I’d be afraid to try clothes on in their dressing rooms! Although I will be in a Macy’s tomorrow to have lunch with my niece who works at the makeup counter. Will be fun to explain to her how I can’t support her employer any longer. Lunch will be at Christian-grounded Chik-Fil-A. I am craving Panera but am going to have to research their views a little further. It is going to crush me if I have to give up Panera.
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