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Major Fracking Concerns Lack Scientific Backing: ‘Basically Not Using Science’

Science Doesnt Support Opponents Arguments Against Fracking for Natural Gas

According to science and available data, some concerns about fracking are unfounded. (Photo: AP//Mike Groll)

PITTSBURGH (The Blaze/AP) — Some, including “Gasland” filmmaker Josh Fox, would have you believe natural gas drilling using a method called hydraulic fracturing resulted in increased cancer rates. But, science and even members of a national cancer society would say otherwise.

In the debate over “fracking,” opponents are now being accused of distorting some of the facts.

Critics of fracking often raise alarms about groundwater pollution, air pollution, and cancer risks, and there are still many uncertainties. But some of the claims have little – or nothing- to back them.

(Related: Influential Father of the ‘Gaia Theory’ Endorses Fracking After His Energy Costs Sky Rocket in the U.K.)

For example, reports that breast cancer rates rose in a region with heavy gas drilling are false, researchers told The Associated Press.

Fears that natural radioactivity in drilling waste could contaminate drinking water aren’t being confirmed by monitoring, either.

And concerns about air pollution from the industry often don’t acknowledge that natural gas is a far cleaner burning fuel than coal.

“The debate is becoming very emotional. And basically not using science” on either side, said Avner Vengosh, a Duke University professor studying groundwater contamination who has been praised and criticized by both sides.

Science Doesnt Support Opponents Arguments Against Fracking for Natural Gas

Anti-fracking signs expressing its negative effects that some experts say are untrue. (Photo: AP/Mike Groll)

Shale gas drilling has attracted national attention because advances in technology have unlocked billions of dollars of gas reserves, leading to a boom in production, jobs, and profits, as well as concerns about pollution and public health. Shale is a gas-rich rock formation thousands of feet underground, and the gas is freed through a process called hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, in which large volumes of water, plus sand and chemicals, are injected to break the rock apart.

(Related: ‘Oh My Gosh. I Pushed Green’: NC Lawmaker Accidentally Legalizes Fracking by Pressing Wrong Button)

The Marcellus Shale covers large parts of Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and West Virginia, while the Barnett Shale is in north Texas. Many other shale deposits have been discovered.

One of the clearest examples of a misleading claim comes from north Texas, where gas drilling began in the Barnett Shale about 10 years ago.

Opponents of fracking say breast cancer rates have spiked exactly where intensive drilling is taking place – and nowhere else in the state. The claim is used in a letter that was sent to New York’s Gov. Andrew Cuomo by environmental groups and by Fox, the Oscar-nominated director of “Gasland,” a film that criticizes the industry. Fox, who lives in Brooklyn, has a new short film called “The Sky is Pink.”

But researchers haven’t seen a spike in breast cancer rates in the area, said Simon Craddock Lee, a professor of medical anthropology at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.

David Risser, an epidemiologist with the Texas Cancer Registry, said in an email that researchers checked state health data and found no evidence of an increase in the counties where the spike supposedly occurred.

And Susan G. Komen for the Cure, a major cancer advocacy group based in Dallas, said it sees no evidence of a spike, either.

“We don’t,” said Chandini Portteus, Komen’s vice president of research, adding that they sympathize with people’s fears and concerns, but “what we do know is a little bit, and what we don’t know is a lot” about breast cancer and the environment.

Yet Fox tells viewers in an ominous voice that “In Texas, as throughout the United States, cancer rates fell – except in one place- in the Barnett Shale.”

Lee called the claims of an increase “a classic case of the ecological fallacy” because they falsely suggest that breast cancer is linked to just one factor. In fact, diet, lifestyle and access to health care also play key roles.

Fox responded to questions by citing a press release from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that doesn’t support his claim, and a newspaper story that Risser said is “not based on a careful statistical analysis of the data.”

When Fox was told that Texas cancer researchers said rates didn’t increase, he replied in an email that the claim of unusually high breast cancer rates was “widely reported” and said there is “more than enough evidence to warrant much deeper study.”

The makers of "FrackNation" posted this billboard in New York near Pennsylvania correcting what it believes are some of the untruths spoken by anti-fracking activists. (Photo: AP/Adam Hunger)

The makers of "FrackNation" posted this billboard in New York near Pennsylvania correcting what it believes are some of the untruths spoken by anti-fracking activists. (Photo: AP/Adam Hunger)

A group of documentary filmmakers are actually creating a response to “Gasland” that shares some of these scientific untruths. The film is called FrackNation, which The Blaze reported on with an interview from the filmmakers back in March. Learn more about the film from its makers:

Another instance where fears haven’t been confirmed by science is the concern that radioactivity in drilling fluids could threaten drinking water supplies.

Critics of fracking note the deep underground water that comes up along with gas has high levels of natural radioactivity. Since much of that water, called flowback, was once being discharged into municipal sewage treatment plants and then rivers in Pennsylvania, there was concern about public water supplies.

But in western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh Water and Sewer Authority did extensive tests and didn’t find a problem in area rivers. State environmental officials said monitoring at public water supply intakes across the state showed non-detectable levels of radiation, and the two cases that showed anything were at background levels.

Concerns about the potential problem also led to regulatory changes. An analysis by The Associated Press of data from Pennsylvania found that of the 10.1 million barrels of shale wastewater generated in the last half of 2011, about 97 percent was either recycled, sent to deep-injection wells, or sent to a treatment plant that doesn’t discharge into waterways.

Critics of fracking also repeat claims of extreme air pollution threats, even as evidence mounts that the natural gas boom is in some ways contributing to cleaner air.

Marcellus air pollution “will cause a massive public health crisis,” claims a section of the Marcellus Shale Protest website.

Yet data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration show that the shale gas boom is helping to turn many large power plants away from coal, which emits far more pollution. And the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency passed new rules to force drillers to limit releases of methane from wells and pumping stations.

Some environmental groups now say that natural gas is having a positive effect on air quality.

Earlier this year, the group PennFuture said gas is a much cleaner burning fuel, and it called gas-fired power plants “orders of magnitude cleaner” than coal plants.

Marcellus Shale Protest said in response to a question about its claims that “any possible benefit in electric generation must be weighed against the direct harm from the industrial processes of gas extraction.”

One expert said there’s an actual psychological process at work that sometimes blinds people to science, on the fracking debate and many others.

“You can literally put facts in front of people, and they will just ignore them,” said Mark Lubell, the director of the Center for Environmental Policy and Behavior at the University of California, Davis.

Lubell said the situation, which happens on both sides of a debate, is called “motivated reasoning.” Rational people insist on believing things that aren’t true, in part because of feedback from other people who share their views, he said.

Vengosh noted the problem of spinning science isn’t new, or limited to one side in the gas drilling controversy. For example, industry supporters have claimed that drilling never pollutes water wells, when state regulators have confirmed cases where it has. He says the key point is that science is slow, and research into gas drilling’s many possible effects are in the early stages, and much more work remains to be done.

“Everyone takes what they want to see,” Vengosh said, adding that he hopes that the fracking debate will become more civilized as scientists obtain more hard data.

 

Comments (78)

  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:31pm

    progressives are fracking idiots….they are anti american….just as global warming is a hoax so is fracking…..

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    • myway
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:08pm

      They are FRACKED! They don’t need proof they can just say it causes a pimple and then is is up to the FRACKERS to prove it is a lie!

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    • JQuentinEvermann
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:16pm

      All they’re asking us to do is replace the discovery of fire with some mythical invention…is that so much to ask? You love oil because you hate the earth and you want to destroy the environment and because you’re a racist. I‘m a better person than you because I love Mother Gaia and I drive a Smart Car and because I don’t fully understand any subject that I have been “educated” on and I also voted for Black…er…Barack!

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    • turkey13
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 2:35pm

      These are the same people that told Couubbus he would sail right off the world. Old Josh Fox and most Liberals make big bucks on their oil co stock and they pay good dividends. Here in Oklahoma the EPA has stopped drilling and with enough pressure from the kids that is being sold this bill of goods the EPA will stop Fracking.

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    • FlamingFartSyndrome
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 2:38pm

      Please, oh please, do not take this article as the only research you have done on tracking. There are soooo many people who have had their land and lives ruined by tracking. I was at my friends farm a month ago, and oil company was fracking 15 miles away from his property. You can’t swim in his small lake anymore, as it smells like fuel and bubbles constantly are coming up. It got so bad that one day he couldn’t drink water from his facet. There are actual videos of people who moved because tracking destroyed their land, and in some cases they prove it by lighting the water that comes out of their facet on fire. Don’t believe me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

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    • Dragonfire
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 5:20pm

      FlamingFartSyndrome can’t even spell it right and we are to believe what is written? Typical!!!

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    • Snidely
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:08pm

      FFS. I gottta call BS on that one. Face it, you don’t have a friend that had fracturing done 15 miles from their farm. There were no bubbles. The water did not smell like fuel. You just have an over active imagination. All you know about fracturing, you got from liberal websites. I have been on many fracturing jobs several decades ago. None of my friends ever had problems on their own farm, let alone half a county away. The formation that is being fractured is separated from the fresh water zone by thousands of feet of solid rock.

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    • Constantine Ivanov
      Posted on July 24, 2012 at 11:29am

      It’s not enough just to exclaim “they are idiots!” (which they are): those idiots are methodically destroying our country (and the entire world, for this matter), while we are only whining and calling them what they are. It’s not enough. It’s not enough.
      Wherever they put their signs, our divestitive revealing signs should appear.
      Whenever they open their stinky chewing hole, our revealing pickets should appear.
      Whining is not enough…To prosper, the evil needs only our inactivity.

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  • team1blazer
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:28pm

    The problem with liberals is not what they don’t know….it’s the facts that they “know for certain”…that just aren’t so.

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  • SILAS
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:25pm

    The woman holding the sign looks like she’s been fracked…

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    • Texas Chris
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Maybe she wouldn’t look so uptight if she got a good fracking…?

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  • VRW Conspirator
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:23pm

    Just another example of “scientific experts” coming to conclusions to suit their financial benefactors. Obey the “scientific community” they always tell the truth. Yeah just like the global warming frauds! Oh but we aren’t part of the “community” so we don’t know any better..my ARSE!!

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    • historyguy48
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:01pm

      Comrade don’t you think Dear Leader is telling the truth? Don’t you know that Dear Leader has invested in the Chicago Carbon Exchange? So, why would Dear Leader lie about this?

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  • LeaveMeBe
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:12pm

    Being in the marcellous shale play currently and the haynesville shale play previously I can definitely say that both sides have taken it upon themselves to screw PA residents out of millions. The left has their side so hyped up over the environmental risks that actually believe that force pooling would take power away from the mineral owners. The left has convinced themselves that it is a form of eminent domain. The lack of educated constituents and oversight of their representatives will stifle any barnet/haynesville like boom in the PA economy. Boths sides of the political spectrum have started working together here, hand in hand, to enrich themselves and leave the common idiot out of sharing in the wealth, unlike the haynesville where it spread rapidly. Some commonwealth, more like a common-ignorance.

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  • MiCurmudgeon
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:54am

    My parent‘s well had small amounts of natural gas in it as well as smelling badly in the 1960’s. The well was drilled into an area where these things occured naturally. Since that time, I got an engineering degree and actually worked in the oil and gas industry and have supervised frac jobs. There are thousands of fracced wells in Michigan and NO PROOF of any problems. These objectors will never take facts. They must be ignored.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:02pm

      Hey MIC……do you happen to know if this is true…..

      I had a mining graduate tell me if a well was dug at 400+ feet that it was likely rainfall from at least a 100 years ago.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:05pm

      tell the lie enough and it becomes the truth………………….

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    • MiCurmudgeon
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:16pm

      Copatriots….There are too many variables. Say the soil was very sandy and the water table at the well location was at 400 feet. the well could produce water that fell recently. If there were a layer or layers of thick rock , like shale, then the water produced from a 400′ welll could be thousands of years old.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Thanks much! I should have given you more data about the soil and rocks. I’m in the Rockies so very little topsoil and lots of limestone and dolomite. Sounds like I received correct information. Appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:34pm

      copatriots
      ============
      Not in a karst area

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  • rightwingheroes
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:48am

    Global warming or fracking, it doesn’t matter what the new “crisis” is to the left wing kool-aid drinkers. They will believe anything that is told to them…..anything. This just further proves how gullible and dumb the left wing base is. Glenn Beck said it best, “Don’t take my word for it, do your own homework.” Well we all know who hates homework, don’t we…

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    • copatriots
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:58am

      I love how it is okay for us to buy oil drilled or fracked somewhere else, anywhere else, in the world so long as it’s not done in the U.S.

      Reminds me of seeing the oil floating on the ocean directly off the coast of Santa Barbara but no one is allowed to collect the oil. Calicrazies get their gas to create traffic congestion at the gas station, by golly. It just magically arrives there.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:01pm

      The next question is: Does Leftism make people dumb and gullible or does it attract people who bring that baggage with them?

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  • Mike Benton
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:46am

    Theses people need to get a life. Not all that is “oil” is evil

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 2:56pm

      I think many of them truly mean well… they just want what’s best for the people. Certainly there are some who are just plain nutjobs and it’s about control or some Mother Earth god-thing, but that’s not the majority.

      I, too, was mistaken in my belief on how fracking could certainly be a possible issue until another Blaze user who is involved in oil and gas exploration explained how things are done in a decent, educational manner instead of ridiculing, taunting and name-calling. Education is a good thing and we all have something to learn about some things. Now, that person also did state “IF” the fracking is done correctly it’s safe, thus that “IF” is a scary word as there are idiots out there who will do anything to save money and not necessarily do the properly, i.e. the BP Oil Spill in the Gulf. Those types need to be weeded out by those in the know — those involved in the same industries, because they know best whom is doing things safe and proper and whom is not.

      Clean water is a pretty important resource, as is our atmosphere. We need to be careful of pollutants and ensure we are not making mistakes that may harm/destroy/kill people and other species in the future. I am a firm believer in clean energy, and nat. gas is certainly better than oil, but ultimately solar seems like the best. Instead of dishing out millions to companies like Solyndra, we need to focus that monetary assistance on good, solid research to make it more viable.

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  • justasurvivor
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:43am

    Forget the science. Forget the environment and all of that argument.
    These are bait and switch arguments.
    Somebody please look into what exactly happens and what is used during the actual fracking process.
    It’s beyond me why no one is telling you what they use and how much of it they use in the process. If you knew, you’d go ballistic and either this process would immediately be stopped, or the public would absolutely FORCE them to use something different in the process.
    I won’t tell you for very personal reasons. But you can find out very easily what the real problem is, and it has nothing to do with everything you’ve heard. (BTW, there’s an easy fix – not cheap, but easy).

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    • bcskulker
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:06pm

      Forget the science, the truth or the environment.
      That’s all bait and switch anyway; but someone PLEASE look into exactly what drugs ‘survivor’ is taking. It’s beyond me why no one is telling you what drugs and how much. I‘m sure if you all knew you’d all go ballistic or maybe even want some for yourself. There’s a rumour they cause those taking the drugs to go off their rockers.
      Someone PLEASE force ‘survivor’ into therapy for everyone’s sake! It’s a cookbook.
      I can’t tell you for very personal reasons how I know all of this. But if you find out, you’ll know why or maybe not. Maybe you’re on the same drugs. Was that a pink or red elephant that just flew by?

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    • justasurvivor
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:13pm

      Study first. Then you would not need to waste your time attacking me. You’d join my voice.
      There are always reasons (some legal) one cannot tell everything they know.
      But they can lead you to the water…………….

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    • 762x51
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 2:31pm

      justasurvivor
      Study first. Then you would not need to waste your time attacking me.

      I don’t have to study, unlike you I have actually been there. My real world experience trumps ALL of the reading and imagining you have done or will ever do. I worked in the oilfield in my younger days and as a young man just starting out had the disagreeable job of cleaning out frack tanks. These are large, 400bbl steel tanks used to hold water, chemicals and sand used in or resulting from fracking a well.

      To clean the tank you remove about 80 bolts securing a hatch that weighs a couple hundred pounds then climb inside. The remaining contents are shoveled out and sprayed with steam and a pressure washer. The only safety equipment we had was a hard hat and gloves. You come out soaking wet, covered in the grime from the walls of the tank, replace the hatch and move on to the next tank. We did several tanks per day, six days a week for 10 months until I was able to move up into a better job. The steam vapor inside the tank was thick with the fracking chemicals in far greater concentration than you would get in ground water if ground water contamination were even possible. But fracking occurs about 10,000 feet below ground water levels.

      The point being, that was 35 years ago and after being exposed to the chemicals used in fracking inside and out, 10 hours a day six days a week for nearly a year, I have never had a health related problem from that exposure in all the decades

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    • justasurvivor
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 6:13pm

      There is none so blind as he who will not see.
      I laid the answer on your plate, and you obviously have no idea what they’re doing in the modern fracking process that is the problem. It has nothing to do with chemicals – those only affect the ones in the field. Or – you’re part of the coverup.
      What I’m talking about affects every one, moreso every day.
      One of these days, someone who is much braver than I, will come forth and either break open the truth of this story, or somehow have enough power to get them to change this part of the process. So easy. Just a little more expensive.

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  • smores
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:42am

    What I think is more concerning than anything is the link between fracking and the higher frequency of earthquakes in these areas. For instance right now at a fracking operation in Oklahoma we are seeing a SWARM of earthquakes occurring in an area that is not a known fault zone. The science behind it is simple: the gas within the earth’s crust is creating a constant pressure in the space that contains it. When you remove the gas, the pressure that it provided that held the crust in place is also removed, thus causing the crust to buckly under this pressure = EARTHQUAKE. While many of the earthquakes taking place near fracking operations are relatively small (4.0 and under) it should still be taken into condiseration. There is much we don’t understand about the North American Craton (google it), and many fracking operation are taking place along this ancient tectonic plate. The US Geological Survey has even acknowledged this link and I think it is something we should all be made aware of. Forget the “environmental” issues. The real issue is that we need the earth under our feet, and we are removing what it is that keeps it there.

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    • smores
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:44am

      please excuse my spelling errors….I was in a hurry.

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    • toiletclogga
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:09pm

      Could the same argument be made for oil? Has there been an increase in siesmological activity in the Middle East?

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    • Coded-Dude
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:22pm

      Great point, but Oklahoma has been fracking for a lot longer than most of us even knew what the term meant: “The typical energy released in tremors triggered by fracking, “is the equivalent to a gallon of milk falling off the kitchen counter,” said Stanford University geophysicist Mark Zoback.

      In Oklahoma, home to 185,000 drilling wells and hundreds of injection wells, the question of man-made seismic activity comes up quickly. But so far, federal, state and academic experts say readings show that the Oklahoma quakes were natural, following the lines of a long-known fault.”

      I am certain they will continue to study this, and the increase in fracking overall in OK may play a role in some of the seismic activity, but I doubt it is a leading factor. Time and more studies will tell. One thing to note OK energy is run by Oklahomans, They don’t want to destroy their own land for the sake of profit. Unlike the nazi-esque EPA, OK officials look at ecological and economical impacts. Federal oversight is more of am all-encompassing blanket that shouldn’t be universal. Energy plans should be tailored to fit their respective geographic location(i.e. let the states handle it).

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    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:56pm

      I have a well for water in my yard. I use it to water my lawn, when is my house going to fall in the hole ?

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  • pap pap
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:38am

    These people are so fracked up who believe that anything that causes domestic energy is harmful and anything new is bad. If we believed in them we wouldn’t even have flush toilets.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:36am

    Lets look at this logically. Fracking has been done for decades, if it contaminated water we ALL WOULD BE DEAD. End of story.

    These left wing nut jobs aka LWNJ believe anything anyone says without doing their own research. They are sheeple and have no credibility.

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  • randy
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:34am

    In the debate over “fracking,” opponents are now being accused of distorting some of the facts.?
    WHAT?
    I’m shocked these people would distort facts!

    Sarcasm off….

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  • Dde13
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:34am

    Don’t give the LEFT the FACTS….you will just confuse them and they will get mad and YELL and call you a RACIST!!!!

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:39am

      The scientific formula to combat facts are 2/3 emotion and 1/2 insanity. You also can’t have any functional knowledge of fractions, then all this green sceince makes sense.

      Remember, 3/2 of Americans can’t understand fractions.

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    • 762x51
      Posted on July 24, 2012 at 12:40pm

      Darmok – The numbers are actually worse than you think. New NBC/NPR polling data indicates that 1246/632 actually think Comrade Dictator is doing a good job holding down his green house gas emissions by converting his personal fund raising chariot, Air Force Juan, to ethanol. It now gets 27 corn fields to the mile.

      When asked how he was able to accomplish this magnificent feat he replied that all he had to do was order the Air Force to . . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . . Make It So.

      I couldn’t resist.

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  • hi
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:30am

    At this point energy independence is more important than environmental issues anywY. I love the environment t but it is going to become polluted like China when the commies or jihadists take us over!

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  • ozchambers
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:29am

    I’ve got some major fracking concerns with this current administration, as well as with the EPA eco-nazis.

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  • GoodCook
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:29am

    These people are the light bulb loonies. They supported getting rid of the harmless made in America incandescent bulb for the made in China flourscent ones filled with mercury. Now we find that the squiggly bulbs emit UV radiation as the phosphorus coating wears down and causes skin cancer. These people are the obvious product of a unionized education.

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  • Buddynoel
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:28am

    It’s not the truth until one side hires a hot Hollywood actor. Who are you going to believe? Some scientist or a member of the Jersey Shore wearing a thong bikini? C’mon folks!

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  • copatriots
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:27am

    It is tough to live among such idiocy holding university degrees. I wonder at what point they wake up and realize they actually spout nonsense and lies.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:24am

    The environmental movement has never been about truth or facts, it’s about defeating America from within, along with the poverty industry, the green industry, the race card industry, and the illegal immigration industry……….wake up folks, communism hides in many forms…….it’s all about shutting us up and bringing us to our knees……..

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:22am

    What the frack?

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  • Coded-Dude
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:21am

    I heard this during the House Oversight Committee meeting in Oklahoma on Energy. Its about an hour and a half, but definitely worth the watch. Go find it on Youtube at the Oversight & Reform channel. The government(mainly the EPA) is making rules that are hurting businesses which have no bases on science or factual findings. The initial reports on the research should be released later this year, but inside sources(as denoted in the YT video I mentioned) are leaning towards better results than expected(and the expected results were already believed to be positive – i.e. not unhealthy to the environment).

    I wish I could make stuff up and use it to force the government to do my bidding….oh wait, that’s called fraud – bravo EPA bravo.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:20am

    What else is new?

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  • HKS
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:18am

    Liberals don’t need no stink-en facts.

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  • sWampy
    Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:16am

    The left never uses science, they make up bs theories and falsify data to back them up.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 12:51pm

      “The debate is becoming very emotional. And basically not using science”
      “You can literally put facts in front of people, and they will just ignore them,”
      ————————————————————–
      Typical reaction and tactics of the left, don’t let facts get in the way of your argument, get emotional, and lie, lie, lie, and lie.

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