‘Makes Very Little Sense’: Why Are Army Tanks Rolling Down Residential Roads for Training in St. Louis?
- Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:26pm by
Liz Klimas
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Late last week and through the weekend, citizens of St. Louis, Mo., were told not to be alarmed should they see military vehicles roll by their home. Even with this warning, though, some wondered why the U.S. Army was taking the vehicles off the base and to the streets in the first place.
According to KSDK-TV, Army specialists from Fort Meade came into town for a training exercise for members of the 354 MP company. As the reporter states, this “drivers’ ed.” for armored vehicles will take place on city streets and the highway.
Watch the KSDK report:
As noted in the video, the military is warning onlookers to steer clear of the tanks should they be seen on the road. Still, this caused Brandon Smith from Alt-Market in a guest post for Zero Hedge to wonder why the military is really conducting this training in public at all, saying it “makes very little sense to me.” He poses these questions:
U.S. Army troops all the way from Maryland running open exercises in armored personnel carriers on the busy streets of St. Louis? I know Maryland is a small state, but is there really not enough room at Ft. Detrick to accommodate a tank column and some troops? Are there not entire fake neighborhood and town complexes built with taxpayer dollars on military bases across the country meant to facilitate a realistic urban environment for troops to train in? And why travel hundreds of miles to Missouri?
He also points out that some local reports did mention some citizens being worried about the purpose of the training exercise but those featured in the report were all supporters. The local Fox affiliate has a couple examples of the supporters in its report:
In the video, two locals explain that they think the presence of troops or law enforcement that looks like the military could help cut down on crime in the area.
Smith wonders this as well writing in response to his above questions that it “makes perfect sense if the goal is to acclimate citizens to the idea of seeing tanks and armed military acting in a policing capacity.”
“One of the interviewees even points out that in some countries they don’t use police at all; only military. This is true,” he writes. “We call those countries ‘tyrannies.’”
The training is expected to continue through June 28.
Update: A Blaze reader has informed us that the vehicles being used in the training are not tanks but heavily armored vehicles. The Army Reserve company’s name was also the 354th MP company, not NP as we originally reported.
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Comments (427)
ronin_6
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:58pm@HEYJIM55
The Guard always moves its tracks to Yakima Training Center from Ft. Lewis this time of year. Why? Because its time for the National Guard‘s annual training or ’summer camp’. You will see small units or parts of units moving all over the country this time of year as units consolidate from remote armories and reserve centers and move to their summer training areas.
Honestly people…You have got to lay off the dillusion juice.
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:11pmRonin, you are a moron!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:23pmJUNIOR1971, Actually RONIN is correct.
Report Post »docgreen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:44pmRonin, I believe you about the training, I have heard that this was happening a couple of months ago. I sent the Blaze a link about 2 months ago and people were see large amounts of equipment being moved to the East Coast! It wasn’t just a few tanks and equipment. The story stated that train cars and Semis were moving large amounts to the East Coast. Any Idea? Some people were saying this is way more than what they normally see! Would they load ships on the East Coast? Or is there something else happening that maybe were not supposed to know?
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:50pmVehicles moving from Fort Lewis to a federally selected training area are one thing, actually training in a city/ district with these types of vehicles is another.
Has it been done before yes, I’ve taken part in many low vis urban and suburban training events, the key is to reduce the footprint and impact on the public, this does not do that.
Report Post »Seth Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:03pmIt is true that you see convoys on the roads during the summer season, but they don’t commonly go through residential areas. This is more like practice for martial law.
Report Post »Defender
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:12pmRoin_6:
I was stationed at Fort Lewis and this totally different from convoy operations en route to Yakima in which convoys are only limited to the route to Yakistan. Army units do not train in actual towns (at least none that I’ve ever been in). To me this does not seem like a drivers training class en mass. Where are the “Student Driver” placards? In my 8+ years is the Army I have never seen this. EVER!
ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:13pmAnd these routine moves would be a good cover story for something else wouldn’t you agree?
This is what I would do! Fuse in a little more socalled training with a massive in flux of equipment to the area. Don’t be alarmed because its training excercise only.
Russia, China, Syria, Iran are conducting their own training exercises right along side our massive never before type of training excercise in the Jordan and Israel areas.
Makes one go…Ummmm? Just a little bit! Need no juice for this deduction sir!
Report Post »Unix
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:13pmWhile I support our armed forces, I don‘t like them running down our streets for ’training’. They have plenty of open spaces to do that in the desert. This does not bode well for us my friends, I care not what the defenders of this action say. I sure hope there are a lot of Oathkeepers in our military, or may God help us, when the house of cards comes down, and it will, just a bit more time is left now!
Report Post »usedCZARsalesman
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:18pmThank you SETH…I was in the army, in several different places in several different types of units. I have NEVER seen 1 or 2 military vehicles go down residential side streets OFF BASE for “training”. Every base I’ve every been too has had places to do that training in out in the middle of nowhere, ON BASE, or in a long convoy on the highway. I don’t know if this is some cover-up for planning martial law, but I do know this training was meant NOT ONLY as a “drivers ed” but also to measure response and draw a reaction from the citizens as well as acclimate the community…that much is GUARANTEED, this doesn’t make ANY sense otherwise.
Report Post »1592
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:27pmI live close to St. Louis. If you have never seen North St. Louis, it looks like bombs have already been dropped. Good place to train.
Report Post »Waterlylys
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:32pmNo…re-read the article. This isn’t about moving the military to a different training ground, this is about making St. Louis the training ground. We see military vehicles in our area all the time, but there are specific areas where they are more prevalent. If there were a squad, a company, or a battalion in a different area there would be legitimate concern.
Again, Ronin_6 read the article…not what you want it to say but what it actually says.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:36pmMILITARY EXERCISEs… this year and last year… are Focused upon CIVILIAN CONTROL… by Presidential Order. Check with the Government!
Report Post »Ron_WA
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:56pmRonin is correct … most Army National Guard & Reserve units may be headquartered in one city or base in one state but subordinate units are often dispersed over multiple cities in several states – that’s how our citizen Soldiers are organized.
Army MP units are primarily used for route recon & route security so this wuld be the optimum training environment – it’s nothing nefarious (MAYBEEE … HA!, joke son, joke …)
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:33pmMartial law on the way. I have no problem with the Army moving tanks around in the US. But when tanks are rolling down residential street…well thats a problem. They are getting the public use to seeing the military operating IN THE US. We are screwed. Soon you neocons will see that the “war on terror” is a hoax and was to prepare for the real enemy. The white conservative Amerikan male. The john dear hat wearing country boy. Thats the rel enemy. And I will laugh when all of you who WORSHIPED the military and begged for war in the middle east, find out that its all for you. You reap what you sew. And WE have hell to pay. Pray people. Pray.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:43pmThe government is counting on the military to be used against Americans when they rise up and demand an end to the Washington madness. This is all part of the plan. Hope the military takes their oath seriously and stands with the people when the government throws away all our constitutional rights
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:48pmyou left out most important part of the conspiracy; the military enlisted involved. They are your friends and neighbors. If there is a conspiracy to inact martial law, they left out the troops. Tune into alex jones, leave the blaze alone
Report Post »Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 10:42pmPlease read the article. These are not equipment moves. These are exercises in patroling American streets. Maybe you would care to read about your new home being built by Halliburton for FEMA. Enough space across the country to house 56 million of you. Maybe you care to read how 26,000 pastors across the country have pledged to silence their members when the false flag or real attack comes so FEMA can put US ciizens into FEMA interrment camps. Maybe you should read the history of Hitler. Hitler said most people are absolutely stupid and believe complete lies. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Report Post »thejimmyzshow
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 10:47pmRonin, you will find that many people want to believe the “scary” stuff. They are the same folks who listen to Coast to Coast.
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 10:52pmMaybe they‘re trying to get our hero’s to a point that they feel comfortable pushing civilians around.
Report Post »Hussain is going to do it! Every indication is there!
Mary Just
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:03pmHey Jim 55 If what you say is true what would it hurt to keep them on the defense when it comes to citizens rights
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:47pmSt Louis is were election results are altered; So is Chicago. You will see this happening in Chicago soon if not already. Watch your back. He will not peacably leave office. Voting while being white may be dangerous.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:48amthejimmyzshow
I would rather listen to coast to coast and learn about the coming new world order than listen to thejimmyzshow. Get with it man. The lock down is coming. The police state is here. TSA feeling up babies and hiring prisoners on work release. How blind are you? Will it take one of those tanks firing into your house for you to see? WE ARE IN TROUBLE.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:55am@DOCGREEN
Report Post »Without getting to deep into operational details let me just say that there are lots of reasons to move equipment around. Units are on different statuses throughout the training year. Sometimes they are in a wait and see mode, sometimes they are stood down and refit and sometimes they are sent overseas to replace other units in different theaters. Sometimes vehicle and equipment stocks are rotated on and off fast deployment ships.
Without knowing exactly when the vehicles were moving, what type of vehicles were moving or where they came from or are going to anything is just speculation. Even if I did know I wouldn’t say in a public forum like this.
The armed forces aren’t just a bunch of spear holders standing on a wall. We move all over the place. Units from Ft. Drum NY will transport their vehicles by rail to places lie Ft. Irwin in CA or JRTC in LA. Units from Washington state will send people to the Mountain warfare school in Vermont. The Hawaii National Guard will send its units to AK for arctic training Its just part and parcel of the modern American army. It might look nefarious to see Armored vehicles moving down the highway especially if you haven’t seen it before but that’s just one of the blessings we have living in this fine country.
Nothing insidious. Truly.
ronin_6
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:06amThose who say they have never seen this type of training only prove that they have never seen this type of training, not that it doesn’t occur. When I was in the Guard back in the 80‘s we conducted driver’s training through residential neighborhoods all the time. Everything from M151 1/4 ton jeeps up to M35A2 Deuce and halfs and 50 passenger buses. We even drove M113 APC’s and M2 Bradleys around (boy did the city hate that. Tore up all the little bumps in the road). Our armory was on an old Nike site right in the middle of a residential neighborhood not far from Microsoft headquarters. It was about the size of a small school circa 1950. Not much room to train so when we had home station drills we drove when and where we could. Once the local high school was having a car wash so I brought the whole units jeeps down and had the cheer leaders give them the once over. They loved it.
Report Post »Someone else posted here that it’s a Guard unit garrisoned in St. Louis and they just transitioned to the ASV. This is just training folks. Thats all.
OldWhiteguyWithaGun
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:35amLook “If” this was common, they would have never had to put out the statement. No this is not buisness as usual. Think about it. Yes, some units do travel by road, wheeled vehicles, not tanks, and usually to a rail head. This is different.
Report Post »johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:12amFor two months, I have been trying to verify two pieces of information that originated on “Oathkeepers” web site chat rooms and circulated here in VA and NC:
1. The first report was about 100 white buses with UN insignia painted on the sides parked in a remote section of Fort Eustis, VA.
2. The second report involved a project at Camp Lejeune, NC, that was using contractors to convert ambulances to paddy wagons with bunks and shackles. Curiously, the final step in the conversion process was to paint them flat black.
Anybody with “Oathkeepers” could do us all a great service by summarizing what the “Oathkeepers” membership is saying in their chat rooms about these goings-on.
Report Post »Bitter_Klinger
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:35amtaken as an isolated incident, and ronin is right, it seems like simply a routine training maneuver. but come on, this aint the 1st time we heard of the army being employed in cities. i mean, recently, and i aint recording this, i can recall similar ‘urban training’ occurring in florida, LA, NJ- all un announced of course. and then throw in 30000 planned drones flying overhead. i am sorry, but combine this info with wth is happening i our world, how class war is being promoted, economies here and abroad crumbling, global war threatening us to start at any moment… you DO have to be a moron to try and just brush this crap off
Report Post »zorro
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:00amComments on this topic are laughable. Clearly most of you have very little experience with the military. We often train ouside the base and it’s not uncommon to drive along city streets – even residential ones. The only reason why the military even bothers to put out a notice to let people know not to be alarmed is because there are sites like these who scare people into thinking our military is about to take over our cities LOL…
Report Post »Kisses6350
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:32amJunior, Please………………… No name calling necessasry.
Report Post »SocialistSlayer
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:33amI have seen military trucks in Convoys every summer for my whole life. But don’t rule out Obama trying to use the Military if he loses the election. Hopefully our military will realize it is the people that they are here for.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:40amAfter active duty, I joined waned the Washington State Army National Guard. Our annual training was at Yakima Firing Center. We were not an armor unit but the armor units moved their tanks by train and/or semi. I was told that the tracks would chew up the paved road surface. I was also told that US units in Germany had to pay for road repairs.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:44am“…two locals explain that they think the presence of troops or law enforcement that looks like the military could help cut down on crime in the area…”
Report Post »In direct violation of the Constitution. People who think like this have no business calling themselves Americans. Posse Comitatus is there for a reason: to protect the people from miltary being used to police. Only a fool would think military presence will cut down on crime. There’s only one reason for military to train in our cities. Just because the NG members are our neighbors and friends is no indication they will ‘defend’ our rights, especially in view of the current political climate in this country.
turkey13
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:00am“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we drstroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
Now you know why Obama loves Abraham Lincoln so much. To control the country come Novemmber if Obama is defeated there will probably be fighting in the streets. If the milatary is spread all over the country it might be controlled if soldiers follow orders. The conservative population have over 200 million guns and they will have to be taken from those citizens. A civil war must be avoided. Hanging chads and voters punching the wrong canidate won’t fly this time around and Acron had best not show up, the American public is fed up with our votes being cancelled out by fraud.
Report Post »MikeD
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:15amThis happened in Raleigh, North Carolina last week.
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:19amIf this happens yearly then why is it such a shock to long time residences?
Report Post »ed209
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:26amYou people are buffoons. OldWhiteGuy, what statement are you referring to? The standard press release that is issued every single time the military will be performing convoy operations or other training in a civilian area? The same one I, as an Army public affairs sergeant, has had to write several times? This is out of the ordinary? Because we have to write these each and every time there is any sort of off-post convoy. Most of the time, you just don’t read them because nobody notices the trucks were there in the first place.
Report Post »I’m also confused because everybody seems to be concerned that “tanks” are rolling down the streets. Where exactly are these tanks? They certainly aren’t in any of the videos of this supposed incident. Oh, are you fools talking about those little security vehicles the MP’s drive around in. Folks, just cause it‘s got a turret doesn’t make it a tank. I believe this would be the M1117, not even as big as a Bradley.
As for why they would be driving through neighborhoods, not everything in Iraq or Afghanistan is a 4 lane highway. Train as you fight, people. You should have seen the looks on the German’s faces every time we went convoying through one of their towns to get to a field site with PATRIOT missile launchers that were over 20 feet long mounted on the back of a HEMMT. Lots of stop signs were liberated during some of those tight turns. That was a missile launcher. These are trucks.
There is literally nothing to see here people.
Prosoldier
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:39amSorry, but no. The military does do training here and there that requires them to move vehicles and equipment to different places, BUT routes are NOT routinely taken through residential neighborhoods in urban and suburban areas. In fact, due to road closures or whatever, the military will generally travel miles out of its way to stay on main roads and out of residential neighborhoods. Tactical vehicles don’t even drive through the housing areas on a military installation for any reason, let alone residential areas in the city or suburbs. Additionally, commercial transport is generally used to move vehicles and equipment that have any real distance to travel to get to their training areas.
One other thing I’d like to throw out there is, for now at least, whatever reasons are being fed to Joe Shmoe army guy (including ranks up to smaller unit Sergeants’ Majors and smaller unit commanders, for receiving orders to “train” like this or train extensively on civilian personnel handling is coming from much higher in the chain (like Washington level). Most Soldiers are just following orders and if there ARE nefarious intentions behind it all, the lower echelon leaders and Soldiers most likely don’t know about them and few would formally question them.
Report Post »ed209
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:45amYawn.
Report Post »lawrench
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:07amWhile I understand that troop training does occur in this country. The Interstate Highway system was designed for the movement of troops and equipment. What concerns me is the movement using smaller roads and neighborhoods roads. While I did serve in the US Army, and did participate in movements and exercises that took our division off base and on the roads. I think that in general this is not much to worry about, however, I am concerned when these convoys are moved off of the Interstate Highway system.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:07amSheesh…Some of you folks are nuckin’ futs! On both sides…
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:09amPeople do not forget, If our military troops balk at attacking our own citizens they have foreign troops to do the job who will not think twice….. The UN is what this is about….. There are not 800 FEMA prisons for nothing!!! We are in big trouble, the bible backs this up!
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:17amronin, though you are correct about the yearly training, their convoys usually stick to main roads for transportation, not small towns. This is practice of a different kind, this is setting up to get people used to seeing them on their streets every day. The military base I have worked at fr 8 years now has up until yesterday never tested its base wide emergency system. They did yesterday and today. All the bases are gearing up for something BIG. To all our MILITARY, REMEMBER YOUR OATH TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY FROM ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. THE DOMESTIC ENEMIES ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:51amWhen Obama suspends the US Constitution and imposes Marshal Law on the nation he will need troops to occupy towns and villages. He will also ask for UN troops to maintain order. People should go to watch the armor and wave flags at the troops. I am not worried, the Vietnamese, Cubans, Iraqis and Afghanistanee armed forces were able to easily defeat our army. The Smoke Free, Greens Eating, Atheistic, Homosexual, Foreign Recruited US Army seems to be a push over.
Its time people to begin collecting glass wine bottles. Whenever there is an uprising anywhere in the world, the first thing people do is sake the liquor stores, not for the liquor but for the glass bottles. Guess why?
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:59amThe Army should not get nervous when we start taking close up pictures, record serial numbers and use a tape measure to measure dimensions of these unarmed trucks. These vehicles look just like the kind that Russian troop used when they went into the Ukraine two years ago. Is that why our troops need to lean how to drive them because they are from Russia?
Report Post »snufy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:00pmI think you’re drinking your own juice, Ronnie. Miltary vehicles are transported on trucks, rail cars or in convoys. They do not take down residential streets. You’re obviously a shill in here, as no one can be that stupid. Well, some can….This is a training exercise for city warfare. I am in a position to know what I’m talking about.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:06pmNotice how the US Army provides white soldiers driving these vehicles when in fact most of the US Army is staffed by South Americans and Mexicans. All of our real troops are surrounded by enemy nations and pinned down in Afghanistan at the mercy of the Russian military with no way to escape.
Report Post »rawmilker
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:25pmAlex Jones is freaking people out over this….they’re coming to get you, they’re coming…….Actually they are practicing to roll into DC and take barry soetoro/obama into custody along with his nasty fat ass anti american old lady Moose.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:42pm@MUFFYTHETUFFY
Report Post »These are M1117 Armored Security Vehicles. They have been in service with the US military in one form or another on and off since Vietnam. They replaced the M8 Greyhound Scout car of WWII vintage. They are not Russian.
If you read RJJINGADSDEN’s posts below he can explains a lot of this
This is a National Guard unit. It draws its membership from the neighborhood around its armory. If the neighborhood is predominantly Hispanic then the unit winds up being predominantly Hispanic.
But it won’t matter. No matter what one says you will believe what you want.
All I am saying is this is not unusual and not train up for martial law.
These are National Guardsman. They are your 1st and best defense against an overreaching federal govt. They are plumbers and electricians and truck drivers and butchers and bakers and maybe even Indian Chiefs. They are not some unholy army grown in a beaker somewhere ready to pop out and take your guns and your land. They are your neighbors. Your friends. Your preachers. Your little league coaches. In other words they are you and me. Just folks who want to serve for whatever reason.
QuallaCherokee
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:52pmI ran out of delusion juice decades ago, it happened right after I pick up a book NOT “approved” by the school board, An American History Book NOT written for school children, this book then lead me to buy and read a copy of the US Constitution, The Delusion Fog quickly went away and I sobered up to reality. I promise you being diluted is a FAR easier life, Drinking the government kool-aide is FAR easier than the bitter juice of Reality. One thing I learned right off is, those in delusion and denial are the ones continually trying to “read between the lines” as they KNOW somethings wrong but the drug of government is just too powerful from them to beat. Those of us that have kicked the habit know not to read between the lines, The government will TELL you EXACTLY what their plans are. and Ronin, Allowing personal Freedom and Individual Liberty is NOT in their plans Thomas Jefferson told us this 200 years ago GWB told us this 10 years ago and Barry told us YESTERDAY
Report Post »rawmilker
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:16pmHere is something else to consider, as we may not ever be taken down from an outside force, whats not to say that an outside force could try to strike. One nuke to one of our cities would create chaos and panic like we have never seen. The average american is a panzey, a coward when it comes to facing danger and disaster.
I have been in about 12 to 15 different nations give or take a few during my time in the Marine Corps and from what I have seen and experienced, the american people as a whole take too much for granted, living the easy life with no violence, struggle for life or strife to speak of. We are ripe for an attack, even if its not going to put us under complete seige from an enemy force. Barry and Hilery has our situation so messed up, Putin, the Chicomms, & Iran are licking their chops to deliver a serious blow to the homeland.
A small tactical nuke hitting one city will have most trendy americans cowering in the corner shouting for mommy to come save them and no clue how to fight or survive. People like ENCEINOM, JZS, STEELBRAIN, & their ilk will be in deep doo doo, the weasels that they are.
Like a few other stated, the troop movement on the streets are nothing more than units heading to their assigned summer drill area of operations. Yes there has to be a plan in place to mobilze if and when we may be hit or when barry is tossed out on his scrawney little ass and the ignorant supporters of his may riot. It will be a good excuse to cleanse america of th
Report Post »davidshockey
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:20pmRonin, National Guard are state troops and are often used by states to help police in their own state when needed. This is entirely different from federal troops being used in the place of police.
Report Post »ed209
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:49pmThis reserve unit is only doing what many other units will do this year and every year: they are having their annual AT, that two weeks a year you always here about. It is perfectly legitimate to do driver’s training in relatively small vehicles down normal roads. Where else would they do it? At the reserve center? Ha! Good luck with that. Reserve centers are not large posts like a Ft. Benning or Bragg. They are often just a single building with a tiny motor pool and an overcrowded parking lot. Main roads and highways? Why not put the 15-year-olds in driver‘s training out onto the interstate on crotch rockets from day one while you’re at it. Most civilians couldn’t even start a military vehicle, let alone drive the thing. These people are weekend warriors, meeting up two days a month to do paperwork, participate in ceremonies, and do PT. For most of them, the only chance they get to fire weapons, complete driver’s training, or practice at their jobs is during their AT.
Report Post »Which brings me to the point of why people from Ft. Meade would be in St. Louis. Reserve and Guard units are generally spread across broad ranges of the U.S. This particularly MP Company is based in St. Louis. The folks from Maryland could be anybody from division HQ coming to supervise, to a PA unit (based out of Ft. Meade) which is who gives you those handy press releases, or a cook detachment.
Stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories, guys. Don‘t give the lefties any more ammo to claim we’re all
ed209
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:56pmNuts!
Report Post »Sorry, my last word got cut off.
SamIamTwo
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:30pmTrue that…I recall, in OK, driving ahead of the Army helicopter unit with my JP4 tractor trailer back in the free love period and ahhh never mind…
Report Post »TexasSon
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:32pmWith Holder (pun intended) and Barry in trouble with Congress, my question is IF and when Barry gets impeached, can he still evoke martial law?
Report Post »David Hudson
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:09pmI‘ll be generous and just say you’re clueless. When units move with their organic vehicles, they convoy. They do not patrol, practice formations or anything else. They travel no faster than 40 mph and cause some congestion, but they are not patrolling. Armor is transported on lowboys, not on public highways and streets. Tracked armor is extremely destructive to pavement.
You call it “delusion juice”, I call it Jenga. Pull out one brick at a time, and the Constitution remains standing. Eventually, the wrong brick is removed and the Constitution is is a crumpled heap. Then what? I won’t give you a history lesson, but you should read up on it. Discover for yourself what a difference an all volunteer force and regular assignment rotations make. Those two seemingly innocuous areas of our armed forces play a big part in the stability of our country.
US Army, Retired
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:50pmThere is nothing strange in this at all.I’ve seen similar most of my life.It actually is quite normal folks..It isn’t the military in its normal posture I worry about,its everything else that could affect it.Has been for decades[infiltration govt abuse }
Report Post »As to fema camps.What on earth makes any of youthink you will ever see them alive?The real puppet masters learned a lesson from the days of old[nazi germany].They will be used as the crematoriums.
To the other poster about the converted ambulances.If this is true it doesn’t bode well.This is the same tactic used in Germany.Better known as rolling death.Portable death squads.Gassed in the back compartment.Delivered all nice and neat to the crematorium this time.In Germany they just usually dumped the bodies.
Walkabout
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:35pmWhat is the distance form Ft Lewis south of Tacoma, Washington to Yakima, Washington compared to the Maryland to saint Louis Missouri distance?
You mention that near Yakima was a training ground. Saint Louis is not a training ground. It is many time larger than Yakima.
Could be completely innocent. But as Zero Hedge pointed out there are already mock towns built for training.
Report Post »Well the Democrat governor of Missouri just came out against mandatory health mandate part of Obama care. Missouri is a swing state & the governor can read polls. Saint Louis is a place that the regularly petition judges to keep polls open after 10 PM so that people can vote. This after all the early voting & everything else. I guess if the vote tally is not adding up right you have to send buses out to round people up to vote. It give you more time tom finagle a vote too. Chicago is not the only place where the dead vote. I bet they do in every major city.
Walkabout
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:48pmThese are not truck that are pictured nor tanks. They may be wheeled & not tracked but depending on what they are mounting they are dangerous to personnel or tanks.
Just because a vehicle is not a tank or doesn’t have a track does not mean it is no big deal. The vehicle is nothing more than a weapons platform or an APC.
Report Post »sophillyjimmy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:54pmJunior, why call Ronin a moron when this happens often, especially after Desert Storm since we mobilized our National Guards to go into Iraq and we have been using them ever since. If you realize that much of the fighting occurs in urban settings in the middle east what is a better place for our soldiers to learn to maneuver these armored vehicles then in sections of our cities?
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:13pmI do not believe this is a prelude to a Govt. vs. We the people war… at least not yet…. however I also no longer trust our Govt.
Report Post »I believe this is going to become more frequent to acclimate people to the sight of armed military in our streets.
I do not know about regular troop movements so I can’t speak to your post.
I mistrust them (our govt not the troops) to the extent that I jump to the “crazy” conclusions now instead of the “normal” no biggie give a salute as they go by kinda attitude.
They do not teach our military what is in our constitution just to follow orders and so do we really think that an 18 year old kid is going to tell his co off if ordered to invade an American home?…..
I still love our military I truly do but …. absolutely do NOT trust those who now wield them.
I welcome any thoughts about this…..
Wes inTexas
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:40pmWhen planning a new building on our property at work, we often have to look at street diagrams at the Planing and Development Board at City Hall here in Houston, most all residential roads aren’t rated and are off limits to many heavy equipment vehicles. Most residential roads are not rated for 62 ton armoured troop carriers, much of what I saw were even heavier, they will tear up asphalt roads, or cement not thick enough and more layers of reinforcing bars (“rebar”), such as on highways.
Report Post »personhoodCO
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:50pmTroops from Fort Carson CO, convoy through town enroute to their training facility. But everything is loaded on trucks. This is BS. It is what politicians call floating a trial balloon to see how the drones react to a loss of freedom. Apparently the frogs are about ready for BHO to start turning up the heat.
Report Post »CharlesMartel
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:52pmAnd you will also see more activity around National Guard Armories on the first weekend of the month, because unless it is a holiday weekend (like Labor Day weekend) National Guard units almost always schedule monthly training the first weekend of the month to (1) make it predictable for members (2) to get it done (3) allow make up training to get done in the same month.
Report Post »Bonnieblue2A
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:50pmhttp://www.examiner.com/article/obama-declares-national-emergency-and-issues-e-o-against-russian-assets
Report Post »beebacksoon
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:26amronin_6
Report Post »I wonder, too, if this is BHOs “Ready Reserve” that has been funded since 2010 (included in Obamacare). The Ready Reserve is BHOs National Militia (although he and his admin deny it). If he is re-elected there will no doubt be an uprising.
MizuNo
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:44amWhat I find MOST telling about this article is that they say “Tanks” yet show “APCs”. As an old Tanker I find that irritating. and it makes me skeptical about everything else in the article.
Report Post »THE MAD TACO
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:57amWhy is Ronan a moron? In Fl we encounter Navy SWCC and SEALs training all the time. It is uncommon for you to see the guys from Eglin Jumping and 3 nights a week you can hear the c-130s conducting rubber duck ops where SF forward Air controllers and SEALs parachute in and drive their Zodiacs inon the beaches~!
If Martial law ever is authorized we will fight back! No worries lol. Also some info for those of you in non coastal areas,anytime we have Hurricanes Martial law is implimented for good reason. Stay out of Obamas Koolaid~
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:49amI suggest that you buy ANOTHER gun and plenty of bullets. BURY ONE GUN securely and be sure it will be dry and clean when you bury it. Then have the other one handy IN CASE officials want to confiscate it when martial law is declared AND IT WILL BE DECLARED. Please don’t ask me how I know this, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN and always does when everyone is watching the right hand – THE LEFT HAND IS PREPARING.
Please stop acting as if this could never happen in America. IT WILL. As the election draws closer and as the leftists look like they are losing, they will do desperate things. If Romney wins, I do not believe Obama will go out quietly. OR, he may do something this summer that will give him a reason to declare Martial Law. Don’t forget, OBAMA TRULY BELIEVES IN HIS HEART THAT CONGRESS IS OBSOLETE.
Purchase another gun or buy whatever you can and READY YOURSELVES FOR THE WORST AND HOPE AND PRAY FOR THE BEST.
IT WILL HAPPEN.
Report Post »Scari
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:50pmThis isn’t just simple convoys or what have you somethings fishy here. I know someone in the reserves who‘s going through some sort of training right now for something that’s supposed to take place in D.C. in late november, not sure what that would be? Knowing the administration has already signed exec. orders about using military as police there’s no wonder people are edgy about this, and it is NOT normal for armored vehicles to go through city streets. Could be nothing, could be something.
Report Post »Cmonrookie
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 10:26pmNow trust me. This weekend there won’t be anymore trucks. It’s called AT for reserve units. The reason they are driving is to stop causing accidents. It’s a ton of money going out the window fixing those things.
Report Post »jmresler
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:58pmYes, if you really hate those night sticks wait till you get a wiff of crowd control gas…. :-)
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:29pmIf u think these new kids won’t fire on us , think again.
Report Post »ChuckJ
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:18pmGood point. Ever wonder why joining the military is a path to citizenship? Maybe it is easier to use the military on citizens if the soldier is not a US citizen. I still support our troops always have always will. This was just a random thought to JMRESLER’s post
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:55pmI’ll never forget the Time that Beck said: The Military will never fire upon their own people.
Just look around the World… and at our actual, own, history. Ignorance is Bliss!
A Vet…
Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:22pmsound frequencies…
no escape…no mask, no shield , no wall will protect you.
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:26amCHUCKJ you make a very valid point. Also, and this is just an observation, I have noticed such a change in the youth of today. The lack of respect for school, parents, country…you name it. These kids may go into the service for a paycheck someday and thats a little disturbing because the loyalty isn’t their.
Report Post »kent grotz
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:30amIt’s hard to get a reply in here. I have to wonder WHO is going to pay for damaged streets?
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:38pmYep especially since quite a few of them are illegal mexicans & gangbangers. These troops should be down on the border as a show of force to those stinking mexicans trying to slip in illegally.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:52pmIt clears the nasal passages up really good! But I worry about those who have tear ducks that don’t quack!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:57pmOkay, just did some research and it seems that the 354th MP Co is either a National Guard, or Army Reserve unit actually located in St Louis. Apparently the unit is just now being issued the M1117 ASV, or Armored Security Vehicle adopted by the Military Police in the late ’90s. They are being trained to operated the vehicles in and around traffic by Regular Army MPs. Once the training is over the vehicles will be returned to their armory. And, these are armored cars and by no means are they tanks.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:06pmThanks for the info and doing the research. : )
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:22pmHey Monk, Am somewhat familiar with the vehicle. When I first arrived at Ft Bragg in the ’70s, our BN had 6 V100 armored cars. I crewed one until the vehicles were eventually washed out of the active Army. In the mid ’90s while I was a combat doctrine writer for USAMPS the R&D section within our directorate worked hand in hand with Cadillac-Gauge to develop an upgraded version of the V150 that had followed the V100 but only in use with other nations at that time. I was at Ft McClellan when the prototype ASV was delivered for some tests. I thought it was funny. Of the troops there I was the only one who had experience driving a similar vehicle, but was not allowed to do any more than look through that one. Now, it is in use by other MOSes as well.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:38pmThanks RJJ, first hand facts beats conjecture every time.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:53pmHi RJJ, hope all is well.
Hi Monk, has it stopped raining on you yet?
Report Post »Lyda
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:56pmCONTINGENCY OPERATING BASE BASRA, Iraq – The soldiers of 354th Military Police Company, attached to the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, are going strong on their mission to help Iraqi police operate their police stations more effectively. The MP squads visit police stations in the Basra province and provide training courses for Iraqi police officers and the Iraqi Army. The training consists of crime scene management, room entry procedures, officer safety, and riot control. Soldiers from the 354th MP Company instruct these courses both at COB Basra and Iraqi Police training centers.
“Our police team’s mission is critical to the support and stability of Iraq during this transition. We are teaching them critical skills and compounding the basic skills they possess already, helping them to achieve a more effective and efficient police force in Basra,” said 1st Lt. Angela Smith, commander, 354th MP Company. Based out of St. Louis, Mo., the 354th MP Company is a reserve unit where many of the soldiers are civilian police officers back home and can share first-hand experiences and knowledge with the Iraqi Police. Having both the skills of a military police officer and a civilian police officer is unique to the Army Reserves.
Thus far, the Iraqi police officers are very impressed with the knowledge and skills these Soldiers have and can relate to their experiences as civilian police officers, said Smith.
Read more: http://www.dvidshub.net/news/5602
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:16pmThey are perfect for the job because no one has a tank to counter them as in tank vs tank! No need! This might just as well be considered a tank as it will be more than enough armor to deal with Johnny Patriot and his deer rifle.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:31pmHi Billy,
No rain today just complete cloud cover and lots of strong wind. My yard is a mess but I’m up high enough not to be flooded. Many are not and about 100,000 lost power today due to falling trees. My power went out 6 times today for about a minute each.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:59pmOstrich; Nothing to see here… just move along!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:24pmHi Billy, Yep doing well this evening. Hope all is well with you and yours. Can‘t believe all of the paranoia in tonight’s post on this story. This is nothing more than a handful of armored cars where the Army Reserve crews are being trained to operate them. Most of these guys are the local cops, deputies, and state troopers anyway. And, know their way around. Having crewed an old V100 back in the ’70s, the armored cars take a little time and effort to get used to operating them safely.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:34pmHey Monk, send some of that rain about 675 NW. Its been in the high 90s to about 101 the last few days. We could use the cool down. Whew! Guess I really shouldn’t complain since it normally gets into the 70s here in late February, but we actually had a mild spring and first days of summer up until now. The nights got cool enough to turn off the air.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:02pmHi Monk,
Glad to hear that you came through it OK and did not get flooded out.
Saw all your other posts and am looking forward to see what happens.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:07pmHi RJJ,
I know what you mean. I don’t get it either.
I live very close to a base, and I don’t think twice when I see military vehicles on the streets.
It’s a common occurrence, and I actually like having them around.
Have a good night.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:07amHi RJJ and Billy,
RJJ, I looked up 675 NW and it’s too vague. Not in my “Monk” prime anymore but I’ll try with a better geographic location.
Billy, I grew up with my backyard being two things; George Washington’s boyhood backyard and the training grounds for Ft. Belvoir during the Vietnam war. Our windows would shake during most training exercises. Military convoys were very common back then.
Have either of you been to Ft. Belvoir in Va. or Ft. Jackson in Columbia, SC?
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:17am@rjjingadsden
Report Post »Good intel. Thanks for the clear eyed report. Makes a lot more sense then some of the other posts on here.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:40amRONIN_6, Well, with 0bama yesterday refusing to cooperate with the State Of Arizona regarding illegal alien intel, and refusing to take prisoners off their hands in the future. This, with everything else he and his admin has done certainly has most people rather spooked. I can almost understand some of the paranoia. But, some have gone overboard. LOL, makes me think back to when “Red Dawn” was being filmed. The director John Milius, a super stickler for details had a number of tanks and other rented vehilces mocked up to look like then Soviet equipment. When these were being trucked to the filming locations the populations in the area freaked out to the point that cops started pulling the trucks over and notifying the feds. We are living that old Chinese curse. “May you live in interesting times.”
Report Post »You nailed the remainder of the details regarding that this is the time frame for Guard and Reserve movements to their assigned AT locations. As for the remainder of the military convoys, we are at war and units move to their jump off points. Some people are going to have to understand that these units either have to move to airheads large enough to handle unit sized elements, or to shipping ports. Regardless of where these units are located, they just can’t jump into the air and deploy. Thanks for your cool head too.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:47amMonk, sorry for the headaches I must have mistakenly caused you. That should have been 675 “miles” NW. Used to drive out of Tampa north on 75 to the Atlanta bypass then head west into Alabama to visit my family a lot. Set the trip meter on my ‘67 Sunbeam Alpine each time and always came up with 675 miles when I pulled into my family’s drive. Again, my most sincere apologies. I guess it was getting late when I was here last night.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:56pmFunny you should mention Red Dawn. During the filming of the opening scenes when the Spetnaz drop into the high school one of the actors drifted way off course and landed in a farmer’s tree. Guess the farmer took after him with a shotgun and kept him covered until the local leo showed up and cut him down. Actor said he kept telling the guy he was an American involved in a film but the farmer just wouldn’t believe it.
Report Post »I believe that it is our responsibility to keep an open mind and open eyes with regards to over reaching over zealous governments. I also believe however that accurate information is worth far more than paranoid delusion. How does it go; the price of freedom is eternal vigilance?
Thanks again for the back up and the good S2.
DoomsdayProphet
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:53pmGet to the booth early, go with a friend or 2. It’s going to get ugly.
Report Post »Seth Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:05pmTake your deceased relatives too. That is what the progressives will do.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:22pmLOL, vote early and vote often Patriots!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:55pmseth you sir are correct who knows maybe even our pets are registered dems. you just don’t know anymore
Report Post »EJ1979
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:52pmDefinitely puts things in perspective, in regards to what some of us have under our beds, pea shooters against an APC with a 50 cal turret.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:19pmThat 50cal would obliterate a modest home into tatters. You can’t hide, you must run because they’re not that accurate.
Report Post »Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:54pmTanks still have vulnerable spots, the terrorists exploit those often. It is still possible to bind the ****** in their armor (anyone who thinks that is a racist insult has neither brains nor a grasp of history). Break a track and they have to get out and fix it. Crack the periscope and the driver cannot see. Clog the ventilation system and they will have to come out. For every weapon system developed, there later came an anti-weapon to counter it. Now, take away the weapons of the people and then we are really in peril.
As for the training in this article, I have read where the military has been training to combat riots in urban environment. Obama planning for the coming riots when countries stop buying our debt and we become the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe when QE3 trashes the Dollar and throws us over the edge? Thinking I am a conspiracy nut? Go right ahead, I have no problem with that. But if it happens one day, I won’t be giving you quarter.
Report Post »RetiredAmericanNavyTaxpayer
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 10:45pmIf it comes down to martial law and the US military actually does move on US citizens then, sadly, they have become the enemy (may it NEVER happen). We may have pea-shooters in comparison but we’re not helpless.
In a urban setting they are playing on our turf where we know the streets, alleys, short-cuts, man-hole cover hiding spots etc. Remember that during the American Revolution the mighty British army, standing in ranks, was sitting ducks for the Patriots hiding behind rocks and trees. Hit and run. Think Red Dawn.
Wolfgang has some excellent points. The more sophisticated the equipment is the more vulnerable spots it has. A sharpshooter could take out the ‘scope and then head out the back door and cross-lots through the yards, a home-made mix of Chlorox and Drano poured in the vent intake generates phosgene gas ( ? if I remember my HS chemistry). Don‘t know about IED’s but there are enough vets around that would. Like a wolf pack take out the last in line or the isolated loner.
Don’t forget psychological warfare. Plaster the area with posters like”WE’RE AMERICANS TOO !” or pictures of small children, hot babes or grandmother-type ladies with the caption “PLEASE DON’T SHOOT ME”.
It’s a terrible thing to have to even consider worst-case scenarios like this but we appear to be in the prelude to the crazy years. Thank you SO much, Dewey Progressive education.
BTW, forget impeachment. The Democrat controlled Senate won’t do it.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:51pmOne of the first things I did as a young private assigned to the 9th ID(Old Reliables) was to drive an M113 through the streets of Lakewood Washington. That was in 1985. Gubment ain’t took over yet!
Report Post »More recently the Stryker Brigades from the 25th ID out of Ft. Lewis Wa take their Strykers out and drive them around the Puget Sound. Why? Because its the very best training for overseas deployment driving there is.
ASVs(the vehicles in the story) and Strykers are not like your average pickup. Its takes practice to maneuver them effectively around urban areas. Now days the types of warfare we are involved in you are more likely to be moving through tight urban terrain rather than over open field tank country. That’s all this is. Practice. Not for taking over here but possibly for some fun in Tehran.
Rayblue
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:05pmThanks for the clearheadedness in a sea of incomprehension.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:06pmYou’re correct about the need for drivers training, most people would be shocked at the number driver related deaths that have occurred in theater, but last time I checked the other day Ft Lewis still has roads, urban environment and a MOUT site.
Report Post »Like anything if you see it enough you’ll get used to it, I’d rather not get used to our Military in the streets.
Gaius Gracchus
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:06pmThanks for the intelligent comments. Ronin_6. People do not seem to realize that there is a cost for depending so heavily on reserve forces. For those forces to be credible they must have a much higher level of training than we in CONUS are used to. Back in the bad old Cold War days we used to drive all over Germany Korea and other players countries (and not just on the roads). Well now we do not have even have half the active duty forces we had in 1988 most of them either in CONUS or in combat. So just where do you want these guys to do maintenance training like drivers ED?
Report Post »By the way these guys are your neighbors. Do you actually think that they would be part of some government take over? Please put down the Kool-Aid and sit down in a shady place for a while. Your imagination is overloading your rear end and you are subject to an anal-cranial inversion.
“Toujours Prêt”.
lukerw
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:52pmIn 1967, in Detroit… I drove down Express Ways lined with Military Vehicles… passed Check Points… passed a Tank at an Intersection… I walked though a Computer Room filled with 50 cal Holes.
Report Post »Ralleo
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:05amin 1985 we were still at a stalemate with Russia and the idea of being invaded on our own soil was a very real danger.
We haven‘t been in danger of a regular army on our own soil since 88’… Are you saying that the world is just as unstable now and we are being threatened by some unknown invading army and that requires training on actual US streets?
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:05amRein in the paranoia. There is not a giant conspiracy. Think this through a little bit. First, do you know any young man or woman who is currently in the military? If so, can you imagine that person kicking in your door? Do you think that most of the men and women in the military are so brainwashed and conditioned that they would be willing to kill other Americans?
I am 3rd generation Army. My son is on active duty now. Neither of us has been conditioned to take over the US.
Read the postings concerning the 354 MP Company. They are learning to drive a new vehicle. I suspect that the Army notified the local government, to include law enforcement, about the training. Guess what. The troops do need to train for urban warfare.
Report Post »outrider
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:04pmRonin, do you think this training cannot be used against us? Ever heard that the best place to hide something is in plain sight? That goes for un-American agendas too. This is not our daddy’s military anymore, for lots of reasons. And in charge of it is the first anti-American ever to be elected to the WH. I don’t see how you can assess the purpose of these maneuvers with the same certainty you could have even 4 years ago.
You seem confident that you know that these maneuvers have nothing to do with potential plans to control Americans. You base that opinion on what you observed in the past, when a training exercise was just that and nothing more. With due respect, you display the exact complacency that others on this blog are warning about. They say the true purpose of these maneuvers may be to desensitize us to the presence/threat of military patrols in our streets. You discount their concerns even as you fail to see that you are already so desensitized that your assessment of the potential threat is not reliable
Obama is the commander in chief of the military and you are sworn to follow his orders. Most of you WILL follow unlawful orders when your CO stands before you and threatens to shoot you for treason if you don’t.
The suspicion with which people view these training exercises is not paranoia. Given Obama’s disdain of America and his rationalization for deploying his planned “civilian army,” increased vigilance is entirely rational.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:48pmI live in small town East Texas and at least a hundred mile from the nearest military base and that one is Air Force.
Not long ago I saw military trucks on the highway outside of town. Only two vehicles, Army I am pretty sure, one a squashed looking Humvee and one large truck with a canvas cover. Both were painted in sand and tan camo.
I still don‘t know why they were here but there are a lot of reports about the military being in places they aren’t usually in recently.
Report Post »concho
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:54pmDoes the phrase “Fema camps” come to mind at all?
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:13pmCONCHO,
Report Post »Geez, it’s only a portion of an MP Co. Likely a Combat Support MP Co that would be by TOE when I was in the service with a full compliment of troops no more than 176 personnel. Then a portion of them will be cooks, mechanics, clerks, supply, and probably one NBC NCO. If they are still made up of four platoons, there would also be five officers. At the most, there will be one to maybe two of these vehicles assigned to each platoon. The remainder of the MPs will still be in HMMWVs. This is not enough troops, vehicles, or equipment to even get anything started regarding a FEMA camp.
RLTW
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:55pmMP’s one of the only career fields growing during the cutback / draw down, funny how that works.
Report Post »Oldphoto678
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:16pm“Does the phrase “Fema camps” come to mind at all”
Yes it does, and please feel free to report to the nearest one you can find.That way we won’t have to go through all the trouble of rounding you up. And….We will be coming for you sooner than you think.
Yes, I’m just kidding. If we were to lock you up we would have to feed you, and I don’t want to feed your ilk with my tax money.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:26pmA prisoner can be Deprived & Tortured; A Brave Man dies only Once!
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:47pmPracticing for Nov 2012?
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:13pmMonk, Your getting warmer!
Report Post »chips1
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:40pmWe haven’t gotten to November. If we do, we have to beat the illegal Obama voters.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:41pmI’m going to go with what RJJ and Ronin__6 said.
Report Post »randy
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:47pmBeen seeing a lot of Black Chinook’s and other attack helicopters, at sunset, 3 or 4 times a week flying overhead and hovering near our small local airport….. Closest base is Fort Drum, 70 miles away…… I’ve lived here for 35 years and this only started about 3 months ago….
Report Post »Weaver
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:51pmI am on the east coast of Florida and also saw a few sand colored tanks being flat bedded going south on 95. There is no military bases close to where this happened or where they were headed. Looks like they are getting ready for civil unrest. What are they going to do when the verdict comes down on Obamacare? or when the dollar finally tanks? or worse yet if the Muslim Brotherhood decides that Obama isn’t moving fast enough for them?
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:48pmWEAVER, You do have National Guard and Reserve armored units in that area, correct? If headed south on I-95 they are likely being returned to their units from repairs that occurred either at Picatinny Arsenal, or Anniston Army Depot. If they looked super clean with new paint, I would say that is exactly what happened.
Report Post »I live less than thirty miles from Anniston Army Depot, and was even stationed within a few miles back before I retired sixteen years ago. We see all sorts of truck convoys with tanks, bare tank hulls, turrets, tracks, and even stripped M88s, along with all sorts of military vehicles or parts of vehicles coming into the area. As well, convoys of rebuilt tanks, M88s, and other vehicles in fresh paint being returned to their units. These vehicles have a certain lifetime to them, and are rebuilt every so often by Army guidelines. So, you will see all sorts of convoys at various times.
Now, with Nat’l Guard and Reserve Summer AT going on, you will see all sorts of convoy coming and going to and from various military installation set up to handle this type of training. When I was at Ft Drum in ‘84-’85, the summers where filled with these units all summer long.
TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:44pmFunny, I said the same thing when they tested the EBS last year. Why now?
Report Post »showmerancher
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:44pmPeople think this might be a good thing to fight crime????? There’s a little thing called the Posse Comitatus Act… it’s there for a reason. Apparently this administration believes that little things like the Constitution and Federal Laws are there to be violated.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:56pmPure propaganda. If the excercise is legit to practice overseas, it means they plan more nation building, if not it‘s perhaps the scariest thing I’ve seen in my life. No one here trusts the Commander in Chief and most reasonable people no longer trust the media either, so when they say don’t be afraid, I’m not buying it one bit.
Report Post »de31372
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:43pmTanks rolling down the streets? It certainly puts people on notice that the storm troopers aren’t too far away. The affect this may have psychologically can’t be fully known, but it is interesting to note that when Washington wants to send a message to a belligerent nation, they do so by staging military exercises in close proximity to its borders. Could this same tactic be at work against U.S. Citizens?
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MonkeyBeagle
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:42pm.. But But, thats why we have to vote him out in Novmeber as Glenn says, having him impeached or charged with treason is just a distraction, thats what Glenn tells us. So put your nose to the grind and Work on Mittens campaign… after all he supports many of the same policies as Obama.. NDAA, he supports Obama’s over use of executive orders.. But remember Mitt isnt a communist though, If Glenn really knows the nature of Obama as we do, and he continues to marginalize those that cause for impeachment then Glenn is a fraud. I fear as most of you do, that no matter what the citizens vote for come November.. Obama will find a way to stay in power, it is the only cause he truly cares for.
Report Post »Kisses6350
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:02amSmh! Wow! You really beilieve that, don’t you?
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:22amHe truly cares for….. HIMSELF AND POWER
Report Post »Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:39pmFools is the best one can say about the two interviewed.
Report Post »Wes inTexas
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:55pmYou should read the book “America-Lite” by David Gelerneter, he is a Professor of Political Science at Harvard (yes-he is a Conservative). He writes just about what you are talking about, one piece of the book says: “Harvard, Yale, and other Ivy League schools no longer teach anything of substance…ie History, what it took to build this country from its beginning, what they ‘are’ being taught is that what we stand for is wrong and bad. That somehow we have become the bad guys, they are smarter at learning how to use their iPhones and argue points wrongly, but believe it to their core. They have lost the ability to learn the truth, this has been going on for decades.
“Airhead Liberal: Accepts Liberal-Anit American political ideas religiously, but never questions them.”
In most of today’s Universities, you cannot question what you have been taught, they no longer have the ability to think for themselves when it comes to common sense ideals, or political ideals. These so-called Airhead’s turn their minds off to anything or anyone else’s opinion and keep it off, the intention is to keep them from thinking on their own, about anything other than what they have been told, this is not exclusive to just college students. The Hitler/Marxist effect.”
This is what he has seen happen over the decades he has been teaching, being 68 and being a professor, they cannot get rid of him…Tenure!
Report Post »Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:38pmBoth people interviewed were public school educated. Both know zip about our constitution and the Posse Comitatus Act. One reason our Country is going down is people like this are wilfully uneducated “sounds good to me” fools.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:51pmThe ones that I can’t stand are the *Well if it keeps us safer* crowd, you know the ones that think the TSA is keeping us safe for example.
Report Post »sprouter.q
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:31pmOnce again a school blammer! What have YOU done to educate people about our government?? BLAME BLAH! BLAH ! I am sure you KNOW evrything about government and its inner workings! THIS stuff is common in the midwest and in my town they have driven through for 30 years. There is no reason to get worked up……….OR IS THERE!!!! BOOGY BOOGY!!!!
Report Post »Wayn007
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:52pmActually, they probably are college educated…that’s the problem. Have you seen the state of our colleges and universities lately? The best education is a self-directed education. Read books, associate with other people who are pursuing an education in history and literature, and educate yourself financially as well. The best weapon against tyranny is an informed, well-read, and armed populace.
Report Post »doomytram
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:38pmRemember that the law says that He (disastrous Obama) can, could, would and probably should (in his eyes) detain YOU. Just because, he deems YOU a terrorist. He could say that people who think the government is ridiculous are terrorists.
Report Post »Indymaverick
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:33pmThey already said that they can kill americans at will.Also check out the fema camp they have set up in Beechgrove Indiana. Its the old Amtrak repair depot the goverment just converted. The barb wire is on the inside to keep people in with a guard tower.
Report Post »possom
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:38pmIt’s all in north St Louis and that gust happens to be a predominantly black neighborhood, what’s that tell ya?
Report Post »Jive Mickey
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:27pmObama is going to lose and they expect riots?
Report Post »TROLLMONGER
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:37pmJust more fodder for the already paranoid Beckbots that a bible in one hand and a shotgun in the other. Keep up that fear mongering blaze.
Report Post »vanman4446
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:51pmHey troll go find a rock and crawl under it.
Report Post »chips1
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:32pmIt seems like you respond to each story as an individual. Americans on the Blaze take the whole of the information and put them together. The object is to paint a picture. The military will NOT take arms against Americans. Obama doesn’t know anything about us.
Report Post »Scari
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:57pmawww an internet tough guy why don’t you come make us put them down tough guy?
Report Post »MonkeyBeagle
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:36pmIts like this site, runs the same exact stories as another site I visit, only prob is this site is a few days behind… For as much fun as Beck and crew made of Babies wrapped in Gold, they sure use alot of the other material provided by that source.. you guys should be like drudge and start crediting the people who break these stories.
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:36pmAny City that has that much crime, should runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !!!!
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:36pmBut of course, a dictator (like Obama) would insist on a Federal force to trample on American Citizen’s rights.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:35pmthis is not looking good for us folks.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:31pmThis is nothing but the government‘s attempt to ’desensitize’ the citizenry to seeing armored vehicles on our city streets. This is a VERY dangerous time in history we are now entering.
Report Post »Link8on
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 7:28amThe armored vehicles reminds me of Port Au Prince, Haiti, when my wife and I volunteered down there.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:30pmHomeland Security has stated in the past they are preparing for the coming rebellion and uprisings against Obama; and now we have seen a continuous series of military exercises in cities and such, one more being this one, probably to condition us to their presence, and when Obama gives the order for a ‘wag the dog’ moment, to unleash all chaos and blood on his opponents.
I honestly feel the time is all but here for him to make his takeover of the nation final.
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:34pmI agree. Scary times for our Republic, the tyrant has continued to grab power and we the people are powerless.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:34pmThe question is .. will the military in the end … move against the citizens .. I still have faith in our militrary (most — not those who are Muslims or gang members)
OMG 2012 WE SURROUND THEM!
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:40pmI’ve seen these actions around my area Snow. But the horrendous traffic sensibilities of the redneck residents wouldn’t even allow them to get on the road from a side street. I wouldn’t worry too much. If they can‘t defeat the cowgirls in trucks they don’t have much chance in this rodeo.
Report Post »heyjim55
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:45pmThis is correct in my own part of the country there is a build up of personel carriers and offensive weapons at National Guard post in a small fishing town in Washington State. This post is a Construction Battalion normally the arrival of this equipment is concerning with no comment from the local National Guard. There also has been a increase in activity on a state highway in the same county except this equipment is being moved from a unknown location ( I think Ft Lewis) to Eastern Washington , no war games or training exercises are being reported so where are they going? and why.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:48pmHitler took hostages of the families of key police and military…
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:59pm@CatB: At this point I have to say, based on the conversations I have had with some key personel of the armed forces, most will not stand for unlawful orders coming from Obama. The matter is, that when a crisis comes, how many will understand when their orders are based on truth or outright fabrications until his hold on power is complete?
Report Post »Whirled Peas
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:04pmDeclaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey
Report Post »Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects — such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
Whirled Peas
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:08pmCont.
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
The biggest problem I have witht his organization is that they support Ron Paul. Being a retired vet and completely in concert with these declarations, I can’t find it in myself to join this organization due to this fact. Ron Paul is a deal killer for me in this case.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:28pm@Whirled Peas: Thanks.
@CatB: Something I just thought of; could these vehicles be part of regular maneuvers, but those troops who are solidly loyal to the nation and Constitution be preparing for a move on DC, in support of the lawful successor of Obama if/when he declares his seizure of power?
It is a possibility; the preparation for when the call comes from whoever in the chain of succession lawfully gives the order to oust the dictator to be after his declaration of tyranny comes?
Report Post »jerryod1627
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:03pmAs scary as it is I have to totally agree with you. He will make his move sometime between now and election day 2012! Armed Americans outnumber the military greatly but the military has the fire power. The people can win if they have the will to die for their country, but there wil be lot’s of blood in the streets before it is over!
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:37pmSnow, can you provide any information on this alleged claim? I’d like to see it. Thanks.
“Homeland Security has stated in the past they are preparing for the coming rebellion and uprisings against Obama”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:31amjhrusky I found this on a google search:
In a riveting interview on TruNews Radio, Wednesday, private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America. “We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.” http://www.infowars.com/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant/
Report Post »lketchum
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:39am@CATB,
Report Post »Trust no one. Police and military WILL obey their orders and they will slaughter anyone who even thinks for a second to challenge them. Prepare accordingly. I figure we each have about one decent fight in us, before we’re decimated by heavier weapons.They have all the advantages and we have none. If we’re lucky and I mean LUCKY, we may be able to shake a fist at them for a few seconds before incoming fore from stand off platforms vaporizes us. Remember, there is no “fair” with these guys. They rarely do as they seem to demand – fight force on force. They contain, stand off and pound the frak out of combatants and their kids without batting so much as one eye among them. They are that cowardly.
old white guy
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:37amhorsecrazy, the people are not powerless they are courageless(not a word) as in lacking courage .
Report Post »mike1127
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:07pmThere is no way that American soldiers will fire on American citizens. When they disobey, that’s when Obama will call in the UN. That is when the SHTF. Too many people are entirely too trusting of a government that has repeatedly shown contempt for its citizens and Constitution. If you do not think something is up, please grab your shoulders firmly and pull your head out.
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:30pmI’d like to roll down the strip with my platoon of launchers, but unfortunately our road laws don’t permit such actvities :)… :) ba-BOOM!
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