Man Punches Boy on Flight for Refusing to Turn Off iPhone
- Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:27pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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BOISE, Idaho (The Blaze/AP) — Police say an Idaho man on a Southwest Airlines flight from Las Vegas punched a teenage passenger who refused to turn off his iPhone as the plane approached the Boise airport.
Officers arrested 68-year-old Russell E. Miller, of Boise, late Tuesday on suspicion of misdemeanor battery. KBOI reports the boy was punched hard enough to leave a mark.
Witnesses told police the 15-year-old was playing games and listening to music on his cell phone when flight attendants instructed passengers to turn off their electronic devices because the plane was landing.
Witnesses told police that when the teen didn’t respond, Miller got angry and punched the boy in the arm.
Jail records show Miller has been released from police custody, but he couldn’t be reached for comment. The two phone listings for Russell Miller in the Boise area were disconnected.
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Comments (210)
PatriotDaze
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:30pmNOW mandatory…and has been since before this administration….and yet, oddly no reports of people sentenced to death by Mama Griz’s panels.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:27pmRight! Why don‘t every single one of you ’small government, personal freedoms’ folk just punch the next random jaywalker you see. ’cause you know….their supposed to follow the rules!!!
Report Post »TrueToTheCoreAmerican
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:40pmHas NOTHING to do with government or the size of government. Has EVERYTHING to do with rules, laws and the expectation of respect and consideration. So, you need to reread the article and understand what it’s all about. Long live the CONSERVATIVE movement!
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:45pmUsually the scare of a car nearly hitting them serves as the ‘punch’.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:31pmToTheCore, YOUR expectation of respect and consideration is exactly that: YOURS Your expectation, however, is neither codified or universal. You imply that if I reread the article I would appreciate that it has everything to do with rules and law. Well, here’s a rule for you: you don’t get to hit people because they are annoying you. It is referred to as assault and battery. Yet, most of the posts here today are in support of exactly that. Because…..someone didn’t show the proper amount of respect and consideration? That sounds downright…..totalitarian.
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 6:23amTrue that Patriot dave:
I bet everyone of you are all about the rule of law. You apply it to the illegal immigrants so then apply it to yourselves. . . the law says u dont so much as poke someone and get away with it should they decide to file a complaint. . . And to touch a minor, thats just stupid, this a-hole likely did not even try to get the kid’s attention to tell him of the announcement but likely used his elbow (Perhaps the hardest bone in the human body) and smashes it into the soft flesh of this little 15 year old boy’s arm giving him a bruise most likely. When all that was needed was some simple words, and if they fail then you hit the call button and have the flight attendent take care of the situation.
Report Post »TrueToTheCoreAmerican
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:23pmAwe shucks. It was just a love tap. Wimpy kids today are so frail they can’t even take a tap. Heck you can leave a little red mark on someone simply by bumping into them. The kid was probably being ignorant of the order to turn off all electronic devices and therefore breaking policy and possibly putting all passengers in jeopardy. I vote to throw the scallywag off the plane before it lands. Stupid kids that think their above the rules. Typical of most kids today.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:23pmIt’s NOW manadatory ONCE A YEAR on Medicare.. hmmm Wrong place to post this anyway. It won’t matter once OBAMMYCARE is dismantled. Thank God. :)
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:20pmThe kid shoulda been knocked cold. Even then, he‘d wake up incredulously and wonder why he’d been worked over.
Report Post »DeannaRae
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:18pmHillary tells us that it takes a village. Mr. Miller was just helping to raise one of the village idiots.
Report Post »zagfan
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:15pmI had a teen aged girl in very short shorts bent over at the waist talking to her buddies across the isle from me. I asked her to get her rear out of my face, she just looked at me and kept up. I poked her rear with a ball point pen…I guess I needed to ask two more times? Some of us have just had enough and aren’t going to take it!
Some of you might think I was wrong..tough!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:26pmROFLMAO
Wrong? lol, Naw…Just damn lucky you did not get sued for sexual harassment!
Report Post »BeckFan1964
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:08pmShould have boxed his ears like in the old days.
Report Post »irritated1
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:04pmHaving flown this past week, I felt the same way a couple of times. It seems that SOME young people have just lost all respect for others. It would have been nice to have something sharp to cut the cord to his headphones and watch him cry.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:02pmHave to side with the kid on this one…It was none of the guy’s business to start with, but even if the kid was somehow putting the plane in danger you do not slug him!!! You ask him if he heard the announcement and if he still refused to comply you bring it to the attention of the airline employees. None of your business. If this had happened on the street in the right state that kid would have had every right to shoot that old man dead! People better stop and think a little more often, especially as this society declines and more people are carrying weapons and are becoming jumpy at all these outside threats.
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:18pmIt wasn’t on the street and if the kid was in the middle or aisle seat, he could be blocking the rapid escape of this man in an emergency. Maybe he did try to tell him but the kid had headphones on and didn’t hear? Maybe it was the only way he could get his attention? We were not there. He should have followed the rules and if the flight attendant was sitting already, he had every right to tell him to turn it off. It endangered HIS life if anything had happened on landing. IMO
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:23pmCome on now, that is all BS and you know it! I am always surprised at the number of seemingly good, patriotic conservatives who lose sight of reality in an online forum. You do not hit someone for no reason. A punk kid playing on an iphone is no reason. Never. Now if the plane had gone down, if the kid was actually blocking the guy’s egress, then yeah, the dude could bodily move him…And hopefully drag the dumb kid off the plane too…But that was not the case. The dude just got irritated that for whatever reason the kid did not listen. I understand that. But that does not give you the right to hit the kid! Maybe 100 years ago…Not today!
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:33pmNo, it is NOT BS. Why should the guy wait until something happens? That’s WHY THEY HAVE THE RULE? I hope someday it’s YOU in that situation. I doubt he HIT the kid. I bet you he reached out and caught his arm to get his attention. Maybe there’s a frivolous LAWSUIT on his otherwise EMPTY mind? Please. I would have done the same thing. This is not about HITTING a kid. Come on. It’s about disrespect for rules and laws in this country. You may now have the LAST word, since there seems to be no talking to someone who just doesn’t get it. PEACE! :)
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:09pmaahhh, dont get your panties all in a wad! It is nothing personal.
You are right about one thing, neither of us was there. The fact that the kid was able to press charges however warrants that there is some merit to the kid’s story. The article says the kid was punched hard enough to leave a mark. That is pretty hard! Why do you feel the need to defend the old guy? Could it be you are automatically profiling this kid as some punk ass teenage gangster? Maybe the kid simply did not hear the command…Or maybe he is kind of dull and figured the game and the music was not the same as having the phone on? Maybe he didn’t feel that was the same as “an electronic device.” Who knows…But it certainly did not call for a punch in the arm!
But beyond that, your hostility towards me is also telling! Why are you so upset because I disagree? I suppose next I am going to be a liberal and an Obama supporter because I think it was wrong of the dude to hit the kid. You simply cannot go through life threatening and beating on others! Had it been my kid I would not have pressed charges. I would have had a talk with this old guy in a nice, quiet, private place! Would I have hit him? That would depend on what he had to say, unlike many in here I am a fair minded person and if the kid truly deserved the punch I would have thanked the man and carried on. But the cards just do not read that way here.
Anyway, that is the way I see it and I am just as entitled to my opinion as you are. I am sorry if that upsets you.
Report Post »Disabledvet
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:02pmShould have punched the little bastar& in the face and told him to listen, if the parents are not going to teach the kid someone has too, I agree the kid should be fined for violating FAA Regulations, give that to the parents and watch how fast he turns it off next time.
Report Post »Oahujack
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:55pmI flew from Boston to Chicago yesterday. There were 2 American Airlines pilots in uniform, seated next to us. As soon as the plane was on the ground, both pilots pulled phones out of their pockets and started texting. Neither of these phones were shut off during the flight. The order to shut off these devices during flight has nothing to do with the navigational aids on the aircraft.
Report Post »C.C.D.
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:07pmNO! The big pictures is to have their undivided attention in case there is a mishap and morons are able to follow instructions. And when people have ear phones stuck in their heads, and are text messaging it typically uses up the one brain cell that they do have, and are not conscious to the rest of the world around them…
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:13pmThat’s not true.. and how do you know their phones were NOT off? It’s a rule, just like the seatback and table being UPRIGHT. There’s a reason for those rules, as well. The SEATBACK LOCKS when upright so as not to collapse on the passenger BEHIND you! (remember that when the guy in front of you decides to put his seat back again after the flight attendant leaves) The tray table can also become a weapon in a hard landing, knocking you out! The rules are to PROTECT you, not harass you! :)
Report Post »C.C.D.
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:13pmYeah, so when the plane skids off the run way and the kid dies to do the lack of oxygen, the parents can sue the airline, because it is some how their responsibility to protect Stupid from the wrath’s of the universe.
Report Post »pcrews1120
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:54pmEveryone else has to follow the rules, why not this kid, too. Maybe the flight attendant should have taken charge, but the man was dumber than dirt for taking that kind of action on someone elses kid.
Report Post »C.C.D.
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:54pmNothing in life is free. It may have been worth it to Mr. Miller, a small price to pay that may even save that kids life some day. Kids today are hard headed because the progressives government has taken your right of having your ass whooped away when needed. When I was a kid it was called tough love. Everyone needs to be taken out behind the barn every now and then, so later in life when their commanding officer orders them to hit the deck because a incoming grenade is coming in, the little smart ass don’t say “no I don’t have to”…
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:48pmCome on people….the guy could have called the flight attendent over or even taking the phone away, turn it off himself and gave it back… but a grown man puching a kid no matter how obnoxious is just ridiculous. Given I‘ve been in his same position and I understand how he felt but I wouldn’t have hit the kid. It would have been more fun to embarass him in front of the other passengers.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:14pmI think a 15 year old is a little beyond spanking! Had anyone tried that to me when i was a drugged out, hopped up 15 year old he would have got his azz kicked! Or…If he was too big for me then I would have followed him and slashed his tires or burned his car or something!
The problem with all you folks who think the kid is guilty of a lack of respect is that you are failing to take into account that you need to give respect back! Was the kid wrong to not turn off the device? Sure…But it did not warrant a punch from a stranger!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:45pmMaybe if you had been properly disciplined, rather than coddled, as a child you wouldn’t have been a drugged up 15 year old.
It used to be that a kid acting up in public could be expected to be brought up short by any elder in the vacinity. That was when we still had a thing called society that wasn’t imposed by a government bureacracy. All old people were you elders and you behaved yourself around them or you might get smacked. Teachers could smack you. The Principle would smack you, and when you got home you could expect a second helping. You learned to behave yourself.
Now, of course, only the TSA can manhandle you, and we have rotten youths assaulting Marines and their wives outside theaters.
Lovely world the liberal pukes have created
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:16pmActually, I had what appears to be the same problem as Bullcop34′s kid! I was over-disciplined. Everything I did was wrong and I was beat for it. I can also blame my environment, growing up in the sixties and cutting loose in the early seventies…It was just the thing to do, ya’know? But I can not blame anyone else but myself. I take full responsibility for who I was and what I have done. My parents did the best they could, as I am sure bullcop is doing too. It is easy to judge others but much harder to take responsibility yourself.
I cannot argue that today’s kids are coddled. Most of them anyway…Public schools are a disaster. I agree fully with your post. But the pendulum swings both ways and over-disciplining a child will only drive that child away, make him hate, make him seek respect in his peers by doing ever more dangerous and unlawful things. Beating animals and kids never worked either.
Something to think about though; Just like you assumed the reasons for my condition, my parent’s disciplining methods and even my generation, you likewise are assuming this is a bad kid who deserved to be hit for not “listening.” Things may not be as you think. Just sayin’
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 9:27pmYou’re right that abusive discipline is as bad as coddling. I know people who have been through that. The Bible speaks against it as well.
I wasn’t assuming that the kid was that bad, but I was giving the benefit of the doubt to the old man, because I see this generation as being less trustworthy that his, and because a punch in the arm seems to me to be a very small thing. It’s not like he slapped him in the face. We live in truly wimpy times when a 68 year old man punching a 15 year old in the arm is “assault”. It’s like slapping him up the back of the head. It gets his attention without harm.
But heaven forfend that we discomfort the young.
Report Post »The Bees
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:44pmiPhone idiots – they are everywhere. So why didn’t the Captain of the plane take this kid down for FAA violations? This guys is a hero for trying to protect other passengers from this obviously clueless iPhone idoit kid!
Report Post »rfycom
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:51pmlaughing out load more about your mustache than anything else.
Report Post »zagfan
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:40pmMaybe this kid will realize now that when they say turn electronic devices off..It means HIM!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:15pmMaybe the kid was so involved in whatever he was doing, he simply didn’t realize or hear the announcement.
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:40pmWhere were the kids parents and why didn’t they knock some sense into him?
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:58pmKid was flying alone. Says in the original story.
Report Post »clipper
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:47pmRemember what Moochelle said,”We can’t just leave it up to the parents”.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 10:49amYet I‘m sure that if anyone touched one of your little ’darlings‘ you’d be all up in arms about it.
Report Post »knotaclu
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:39pmhe punched the boy in the arm? Next thing ya know he”ll throw a 2″ candy cane at the kid and really hurt him…..
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:38pmI just read this from the local news. Part of me says ‘good job man!‘ other other part says ’it was a little extreme’ – certainly a good swift slap upside the head would have been just as effective.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:13pmNo, we need to break the “If I don’t like what you do, I have the right to hit (slap, kick, stab or murder) you” syndrome. It would have been a simple matter to get the flight crew to deal with it.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:15pmOr you could just reach over and and gently remind the boy to turn it off. On the other hand maybe the boy indicated disrespect to the man. In that case he got what he deserved.
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:40pm@Taquoshi – you were not there. You don’t know what the heck happened. Personally, I‘ve come across little punks like this while on the airplane who think it’s their God-given right to their technology toys whenever they darn well please. I’ve seen people insist on keeping their laptops on the entire trip. Every airplane I’ve been on has insisted you keep things like that OFF – the ENTIRE time.
Again, you were not there. We live in a time where spanking your child the proper way (single swat, calmly to the rear with the purpose of correcting behavior) is considered ‘child abuse’ (my def: multiple hits under blind rage which leaves discolored marks with purpose of causing harm). Who‘s to say the man didn’t just knock his shoulder hard because the first attempts to get the kid’s attention failed? Or that the kid was being rude to others who were also telling him to put it up?
So chill out Taquoshi, most of what I said was in jest. But still, it’s one of those things where a quick slap upside the head would certainly fix – especially if the kid was blatantly disregarding warnings.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:43pmSo, people are allowed to punch others if they feel they have been “disrespected”?
I’m with you to the point of just asking the kid to turn it off, but if he was disrespectful, just summon the airline steward/stewardess. That’s his/her job.
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:10pmNot disrespected. If warned and the kid refuses to put it away – it then becomes a matter of your own safety. Sure, he could have called the stewards, but again, I can’t blame him for taking the matter in his own hand. Again – we don’t know the whole story, I‘m going off what I’m picturing in my own mind of what may have happened. I‘m not about to give the kid a free pass and going off of how I’ve felt in similar situations, I can’t blame the man either – but I sort of highly doubt it‘s as bad of a ’punch’ as many of you are making it out to be. Think about it, how much room does a person have to ‘punch’ someone else in the shoulder in airline seats? And considering it was from Vegas to BOI airport? It’s going to be one of those 3 or 4 seat across tiny planes, not exactly the greatest expanse for the kung-fu, bone-jarring, action flick, knock-out-drag-down fighting punches people seem to be acting like it was.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 5:35pmPoint 1 – You’re right. I wasn’t there. Were you?
Point 2 – No, I won’t chill. Like you, I have EVERY right to express my thoughts, just like you do.
Point 3 – You’re the one advocating violence, not me. I was taught at a very young age to keep my hands to myself.
Point 4 – The kid could very well have been mouthy. Some teens are. Please tell me when it is right for an ADULT to strike a child (admittedly a teen, but still a minor).
Point 4 – If you were “joking” as you claim to be, but I question, maybe you need to include some kind of marker like “Ha!” so we know.
Point 5 – If this “gentleman” (and I use the term loosely) had hit another adult family member in his home hard enough to leave a mark, the police in our state would put him in jail for domestic violence. Having said that, I would like to point out that this “gentleman” was taken to the police station, which kind of indicates to me, that there was reason to haul him in to the station.
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 9:48pmTaquoshi – Chill doesn‘t mean I’m telling you to shut up. You’re just taking this way too seriously. Advocating violence? Hardly. You’re still blowing this out of proportion. Hence: chill out, take a breath, and calm down. When you get to the point of listing points, yes, you’re taking it way to darn seriously.
It’s Vegas to Boise – that’s a 1 hour flight in a tiny air craft. I know. I’m from Boise. They don’t have big aircrafts coming and going from BOI because the flights are normally on hour flights to Seattle, Denver, SLC, and Vegas for the most part. If you need to use your phone – which use of is a well-known no-no of the sky – to keep yourself entertained for that brief hour… well, do I need to go on? Again, I highly doubt this ‘punch’ was anything like the huge drag-out-knock-down punch people are blowing this up to be.
No, I wasn’t on the flight either, I was pretty sure that was obvious from my previous comments, but I guess some people don’t pick that sort of thing up. Hmm? And I‘m sorry you didn’t catch my reference with the ‘slap upside the head’ – typically that‘s a comedy shtick and I’m sorry you don’t catch the nuances of dark humor. Seriously, how many people do you see slapping people upside the head? Good grief! Sorry, but my keyboard doesn’t come equipped with a sarc mark, but I‘m still standing by my ’half and half’ comment because, as I said, I’m not about to give the kid a free pass but I also cannot condemn what the man did without knowing the entire story.
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:51amHere: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/12/29/1469875/man-punches-teen-on-plane-in-phone.html – Draw your own conclusion, at least that‘s the man’s side of the story. Guess time will tell in January. I’m still left scratching my head though – Channel 7 says at take off, Statesman says at take off, KBOI says on decent. Which was it? No clue. Don’t know about you, but I’m able to quickly pinch and rub my arm and produce a pretty large red-mark. I’d also like to know what kind of “mark” was on the kid’s arm – bruise? or just a red mark?
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 6:13amvie:
Report Post »I have never been on a plane that prohibits the use of laptops the entire time that sounds like bull to me.
Taquoshi
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:37pmApparently, Miller was not an employee of the airline and had no business touching the boy. That should have been left up to the flight crew, not a passenger. I hope he gets a stiff fine and some jail time for assault.
It sadden me to see how increasingly violent our society is becoming. People are calling for Michael Vick’s blood again because the President thanked the NFL team that hired him, and others are quick to strike out at people when they don’t get what they want. It’s time to suck it up and start working on self control again. We’ve “let it all hang out” far too long and look where it has gotten us as a society.
Report Post »Hoosier Daddy
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:47pmYes, it creates gutless, Obama-sucking manginas who whine about “self-control”.
Report Post »Exodus78
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:39pmSelf-control is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and shows one has maturity and wisdom.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:10pmExodus78,
Ayup! And it sure shows as lacking in many in here!
Report Post »Carl1
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:35pmShould have hit his parents for not teaching the brat any morals.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:53pmMorals? How does morals even really play into the picture? As far as any of us know, the kid couldn’t hear the announcement. It does say he was listening to music and could have had his music turned up to high to hear anything. The guy may have just nudged the arm in order to get his attention, maybe a bit too hard, maybe not at all, but someone somewhere is blowing the story up too much one way or another.
Either that or this kid is some 80lbs weakling and has some thin skin and couldn’t handle a nudge to the arm.
J.C. McGlynn
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:31pmShould have hit him in the head and knocked some sense into that kid and the parents too.
Report Post »Vie_En_Ras
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:36pmHe was flying alone.
Report Post »Skinny Mike
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:05pmJ.C., … WRONG!! … Where the hell have you been, idiot? …..You just don’t physically assault kids these days. That is, unless you want to be arrested, fined and then sued. Besides, who’s right is it anyway to take matters in to ones own hands? …..File a complaint with the proper authorities! …THOU FOOL !!!
AmericanWarrior
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:43pmI agree..!!.. I am all for returning to the time when the neighbors downthe street would whip your but if you did something wrong… then your parents wouldn’t sue them… they would whip you too! I turned out just fine… no repression issues here… I would have punched that punk every 5 seconds until he complied with FFA regulations! I think Obama should give that guy a medal & dismiss all charges against him for protecting air travel!
Report Post »jb1972
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:47pmI fly all the time and see this on almost every flight. Its usually kids that have no respect for authority but adults do it too. The rules are there for a reason. To get your attention and not be distracted, a lot can go wrong on landings. I have seen people actually hide their devices as the flight crews pass through and then go right back to doing whatever as soon as they pass. It really ****** me off when I witness this and have wanted so bad to punch these idiots. They are not following instructions and risking the safety of others for purely selfish reasons.
Report Post »RobertCA
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:24pmThe teen should be fined too .
Report Post »Gun_Slinger
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 12:22pm@JC MCGLYNN
Report Post »Sorry you hit my child, and I’ll show you how the cow eats cabbage. 65 year old man has no right to hit a 15 year old. If it were me we wouldn’t need to go to court, well unless he wanted to press charges on me.
mark t
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:30pmI think that was me?
Report Post »LSX
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:29pmA sign of the times!
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Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:39pmI know the answer..To All the libs and progressives on here. Lawsuit…lawsuit…..Most common sense folks would choose discipline of little johnny. But that might be construed as damaging his self-esteem. I guess us common sense folks are not as enlightened as you are.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:41pmIs there actually any recent evidence that shows electronics being on during take off and landing is unsafe? For years we’ve been given this announcement, turn off electronics devices, but do we really do? I know the last time i flew in I didn‘t have my iPhone turned off nor was it on airplane mode but somehow that plane didn’t crash.
I know it‘s the airline’s policy but should it be reviewed? Is it a safety issue or just a “Do what I tell you or else” issue?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:54pm@AmericanSoldier
It’s a matter of “do what I say” more than anything else. Studies have been done but have turned up nothing but correlation. In other words, they can’t technically prove causation, but they cite nevertheless correlation and state that any risk is too great a risk when dealing with human lives on an aircraft.
I suspect that an unshielded cell phone could do *something*, possibly, under an extreme set of circumstances. Reality though, I doubt it at the distances we’re talking about between a cockpit and the passenger area.
Just speculation of course.
CatB
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 1:59pmSounds to me like he was just getting the “little punks” attention.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:18pmShould have slapped a knot on the little bitches head. Then cushed the fool pod.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:30pmOne wonders if the response would have been different had the child been an NFL linebacker.
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BSdetector
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 2:31pmThe Mythbusters ran with this one and basically found that unshielded avionics definitely were effected by some frequencies of cellphones.
Report Post »Planes now have highly shielded wires but who knows if theres a nick somewhere or something, so the FAA says better safe than sorry.
snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:00pmThis guy was dead wrong in the way he handled it; the flight attendants are the ones who need to be handling the matter.
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Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:14pm@Americansoldier.
Report Post »Would you risk your life or the lives of your family so you can listen to music, play a game, or watch a movie? I work with electronics and there is a risk, my life is worth more than the few moments someone just has to listen to Snoop Dog, or play a game before landing, Maybe you don’t value yours as much, but I am sure if your family was on a plane that crashed on landing, you would be first in line to sue and findout “Why”.
mossbrain
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:30pmAnother case showing the common sense of allowing passengers to carry firearms onboard planes. Mr. Miller could have put a bullet through that whippersnappers brain, the common sense thing to do, and become an instant hero.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:33pmThere is absolutely causation between electronic devices and the malfunction of avionics equipment. With modern shielding it takes an already existing malfunction, corner cut or poor design to make the avionics vulnerable to interference from electronic devices, but it’s a very real risk.
Sorry but I’m not willing to let you risk the lives of a plane full of passengers so you can listen to that one more lady gaga tune.
Report Post »Caniac Steve
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 3:46pmIt is too bad the we, the people not only can’t remember our manners at any age,but that no one seems to respect other people today as in : “I don’t have to,and you can’t make me” attitude seems to have run amuck accross all classes and age groups as well.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:01pmThe poor boy. How dare that bad man request you follow the law and shut off your electronic device. Maybe what they should have done was circle the airport, open the door, and toss the “electronic device” out. They probably could have tossed the kid out, since most rude people seem to be lib’s. One less idiot doesn’t matter.
Report Post »The guy really shouldn’t have punched him, he should have let the flight attendent know.
White Devil
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:12pmTeenagers don’t need to follow rules. They have been taught well at the liberal schools that they are special and rules don’t apply to them. It‘s like so many of the cell phone users in Washington state who can’t seem to follow the state law banning cell phone use while driving. Their game or texting or phone call is much more important than the safety of the other people on the road. Look at Snowleopard…he can’t follow the rules on the Blaze to not promote his website. Even adults can’t seem to follow the rules.
Report Post »Major Infidel
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:22pmOH NO! Little Johnny got punched in the arm, hard enought to leave a mark! Heaven forbid.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:40pmmaybe the kid was using the patriot app ?
Launched in September, the PatriotApp allows people to report criminal or suspicious activity to several federal agencies, including the FBI, EPA, CDC and GAO (Government Accountability Office), the office responsible for investigating public funds. It also includes RSS feeds for the FBI’s Most Wanted list and the Department of Homeland Security’s threat level, and allows people to report workplace harassment and discrimination.
The app doesn’t grant a user privileged access to these agencies; rather, it bundles each group’s Internet tip line (ITL) – the website feature used to report incidents – and makes them mobile-phone friendly, and even enables users to send pictures. While it offers users a direct portal to each site’s ITL, the user must still go through the same process – and obey the same policies and warnings – as they would if accessing the site on a computer.
Playing off the Patriot Act name, “the app was founded on the belief that citizens can provide the most sophisticated and broad network of eyes and ears necessary to prevent terrorism, crime, environmental negligence, or other malicious behavior,” according to Patriotapps.com.
Before delving into a discussion about the PatriotApp, Dr. Roy Swiger, one of the app’s co-creators, acknowledged the inherent controversy in an app that models its mission on the Patriot Act.
http://www.livescience.com/technology/patriot-app-iphone-101214.html
http://www.i4u.com/28588/mobile-spy-iphone-ilife-gets-creepy
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 4:41pmthe Patriot App
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F15Cheese
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 6:34pmI agree with BSdetector. As an airline pilot, there are some sensitive instruments in the cockpit that have a remote chance of being interfered with at a critical time especially in bad weather. However, the FAA doesn’t want you to be distracted on landing in case of an emergency. How long do you think the passengers had to brace when the American Airline’s 757 ran off the end of the runway in Jackson, WY? Seconds. You don’t want someone playing games on their I-Phone with headphones on in a crisis. The “Brace, Brace, Brace” needs to complied with immediately for your own safety.
Report Post »Independent Tess
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 6:43pmHey, when I was in school we use to punch each other in the arms all the time – hard! You mean I could have gotten them arrested and (probably) started a lawsuit?
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thepatriotdave
Posted on December 29, 2010 at 11:53pmIf I was that kids father I would have done more than punch him in the arm. First I would thank the stranger for punching my dumbazz 15 yr old kid, then I would have stomped on all of his headphones, ipods, cell-phone, or any other electronic devices, and then locked him in his room for a week. After his week was up, his punishment would begin.
Report Post »JayJay2888
Posted on December 30, 2010 at 5:11pm@AmericanSoldier
I’m an aircraft mechanic for the U.S. Air Force now, used to be in the Navy while I was on active duty, and there is a reason why they have you turn off electronics during takeoffs and landings. I’ll also add that while on active duty, I was also an aircrew member on the military version of the MD-80 and the 737. First, the cell phones; Though the chances of this are slim, there is still a risk that someones cell phone frequency could interfere with aircrafts communication and navigation systems. Like I said, the chances are small, but they exist. Now the reason why they want all electronics off during takeoff and landing; The reason for this, has nothing to do with possible interference with the airplane, it’s so that all passengers can quickly hear the directions of the air crew on board in the event of an emergency. If someone in an isle seat is listening to their head phones and doesn’t hear the air crew telling them to prepare for a crash landing, the chances of that individual being injured does increase. Now if they are injured, not only can they not get out of the aircraft quickly, they are also hendering the other people sitting next to them in their attempt to escape.
Report Post »jmparrish
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 6:01amPeople that have never owned an I-Phone:
They have an airplane mode. . .which makes it so they cant send or recieve a signal.
Report Post »On the flights I have been on recently they always say “if you phone has an airplane mode turn it on” otherwise all electronic devices must be turned off. . . perhaps this particular airline did not make that stipulation.
jmparrish
Posted on January 1, 2011 at 6:07amOdviously most of you dont fly much and or dont have a nice phone equipped with airplane mode like the apple i phone. . .i bet the boy had it on airplane mode (rendering the phone safe for use on airplanes) and the old geizer next to him had no conscept of this. . .now if he was sending or recieving a signal (phone call or text msg.) that would be a different story.
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