Did You Know? Marco Rubio Was a Devout Mormon During a Portion of His Childhood
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GOP Florida Senator Marco Rubio
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who now calls himself a Catholic, apparently spent a portion of his childhood as a practicing Mormon. According to a report from BuzzFeed, Rubio was baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when he was eight years old. After years of practicing and participating in the faith, his family returned to Catholicism.
While this may seem unlikely to some, Rubio spokesperson Alex Conant confirmed the story during a phone call with BuzzFeed. According to Conant, Rubio and his family did, indeed, become Mormons, then returned to Catholicism years later. BuzzFeed explains why this element of Rubio’s religious past is relevant to the currently political schema:
The revelation adds a new dimension to Rubio’s already-nuanced religious history—and could complicate his political future at a time when many Republicans see him as the odds-on favorite for the 2012 vice presidential nod. Vice presidential candidates are traditionally chosen to provide ethnic and religious balance to a ticket. Mitt Romney‘s Mormonism and Rubio’s Catholic faith would already mean the first two members of minority traditions on a Republican ticket in American history. Rubio’s Mormon roots could further complicate that calculation.
Mo and Michelle Denis, two of Rubio’s first cousins, were the individuals who initially shared this information with the outlet. Apparently, the Denises were responsible for sharing their faith with the Rubios, which subsequently led to the family’s conversion in the late 1970s. Once the Rubios became Mormons, the families worshipped together.
While Marco, his sister and his mother purportedly were baptized into the faith, his father — Mario – abstained. Mo and Michelle contend that the bartender enjoyed drinking and smoking and that the strict moral codes the church embraced simply didn’t fit in with his lifestyle.
His son, however, fully embraced the conversion. In fact, Marco’s cousins say he was extremely enthusiastic about his new-found faith.
“He was totally into it,” Michelle explained. “He’s always been into religion. Football and religion. Those were his things.”
BuzzFeed continues:
Over the years, he and his cousins frequented LDS youth groups, attended church most Sundays—often walking to the chapel because his mother didn’t know how to drive—and latched on to the mainstream Mormon culture that was easily accessible in LDS-heavy Nevada.
For example, when they were in elementary school, Rubio formed a singing group with Michelle and his sister that would put on performances for extended family. Their inspiration? The Osmonds, of course.
The Rubio family’s adherence to the Mormon faith, though, apparently waned when they decided to move from Las Vegas, Nevada, back to Miami, Florida. His cousins speculate that a lack of Mormon influence in their new home at the time led them to leave the faith (Rubio was about to enter high school at the time).
“When they went to Miami, they basically stopped going to church,” Mo said (Mo is currently in lay Mormon leadership in Las Vegas, Nevada). “I think they probably didn’t have the [LDS] church around them there.”
And it seems it was Marco who pushed the family’s conversion back to Catholicism.
“He really convinced the whole family to switch religions,” Michelle alleges. “He’s very vocal so he convinced them all to become Catholic.”
So it seems Rubio, who calls himself a Roman Catholic but who attends a non-denominational Baptist church, apparently also has a past with Mormonism. While this may seem confusing to some, it’s not uncommon for people to experience religious conversions. Among Blaze readers who took part in our recent faith survey, 26 percent claim that they, at some point, have converted from one faith to another or from non-belief to religious adherence (74 percent have not experienced a conversion).
Read the rest of the BuzzFeed report here.
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Comments (236)
CFL Tea Party
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:55pmI’ll take devout Mormon during childhood over devout Muslim during childhood.
Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:05pmExcellent observation.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:11pmDitto!
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:12pmAMEN! Marco should keep searcjing though. Sola Scriptura. He needs to ask himself where Maryology comes from. Please show me where the BIBLE says we should pray to her, or that she was sinless as Catholic Catechism teaches? Please show me in Scripture, where it says Mary is a Co-redemptrix with Christ? Please show me in Scripture, where it tells us to confess our sins,against God, to Men? Many more Traditions of Men taught in the RC religion. Don’t even get me started on Mormonism, Book of Mormaon,Pearl of Great price etc.AGAIN;SOLA SCRIPTURA!
Report Post »Maranatha
mils
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:45pmYes!!..
Report Post ».At least Mormons don’t teach their young to kill others
AND Rubio didn‘t attend Rev Wright’s church, along with his children, for 20 years, and say he doesn’t remember the hate rhetoric vomited from that dais/pulpit…
You can‘t walk away clean after all those years being at Rev Wright’s house of hate on a voluntary basis….
kfalcon22000
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:45pmHow could someone at the age of 8 be called devout anything? He was just a kid being led by his parents.
Report Post »genennene
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:51pmHollywood, it is always good to search, but he has found the Fullness of Truth in the Catholic Faith. Solo Sciptura exists only in the minds of Protestants. Where is that in the Bible? He is following the Church that Christ founded. I pray to you, and other Christians to pray for me. And I pray for the saints, including Mary, to pray for me as well. The saints are likely to be heard by Jesus, just as you are. The Church hasn’t actually said that Mary was a co-Redemptrix, but her Yes made it possible for all of us to be Redeemed. As to Scripture concerning confession, how about John 20:23: “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” If it weren’t for the Catholic faith, you would have no faith. Maranatha.
Report Post »Arminianism
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:54pmKFalcon,
You beat me to it. I don’t know if any 8 year old is devout to anything other than farting and picking on his sisters……
Report Post »Paydert33
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:54pmVery Good!!! Well said. I will take that too…..any day. msm, pelosi, boxer, reid, and the biggest marxist and failure of all…o-loser….can say and do and practice any religion on a false pretense, especially pelosi, who is Catholic and believes in abortion on all terms? And o-loser saying he is Christian when we all know that isn’t true…especially not from his lying lips. Going to a muslim school and studying the koran is embedded in one who does just that…. like o-loser did. Look how he is running around the Country lying about the economy, gas prices…saying a few years ago that he expected gas prices to go up but he didn’t expect they would go up that fast? What? Oh…..o-loser, can you say…..Keystone Pipeline? His “green vision” and other marxist, communist policies are taking us straight to…….
Report Post »Machtyn
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:00pmHollywood. One simple phrase from your sola scriptura rant… From the New Testament, even. Jesus made reference to scriptures that are currently not found in either the Old or New Testaments nor in the Apocrypha. John wrote that all the books in the world could not contain the works of Jesus. So, we are to believe that our all powerful Father in Heaven will put us on the Earth with a single body of work to guide us through an ever changing time period, even when He declared through his prophets that He surely does nothing unless He reveals it unto His servants, the prophets; even when He declares that the Word will be given in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
Your criticisms for things unknown have just as many holes as you claim to find in other people’s beliefs. mote in eye, meet beam.
Report Post »Hobbs57
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:26pmMust be the friendliest bigots I have seen on here yet. God bless you all !!. I had a very similar experience to Rubio’s, nearly identical. This makes a great deal of sense to me, as I have had the ability to connect to a great many people and speak passionately from the heart. Well, it is never me exactly, half the time I don’t remember to much of what I said. I never know before hand, trying to think only invites the adversary. The flesh always thinks it knows what to say, sadly, half you never come to know the spirit in such a way, you can call out a fraud when you see one. I have seen many in my life, sadly, these are the men who do the most harm, but if it wasn’t for those so full of ego and pride who surround them and cheer them, well, I suspect they wouldn’t have a place in this world then would they. Yep, you boys just keep picking those winners, makes it easier for me to know who stay away from.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:42pmHollywood
I know you won’t agree with me but, in a nut shell, this is the Catholic belief concerning Mary. As you know Catholics and some Protestant faiths know Mary as The Virgin.
It is found in the prayer “Hail Mary”. The prayer begins
“Hail Mary, full of grace.” (What this means is the cell that was to become Mary was created by the God, the Father to be free of original sin. Mary was full of God’s grace. There was no room for sin unlike all other humans.)
“The Lord is with you.” (This means that God was ever present in Mary and with Mary and she lived without sin. Again, God’s grace fills her completely.)
“Blessed you are among women.” (This means Mary was uniquely chosen and blessed by God unlike all other women. She was selected to be the Mother of God)
“Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus”. (This is the recognition that Mary is the Mother of God is Blessed and is literally full of God’s Grace, His Son)
“Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death”. (This is the fourth affirmation of Mary being full of God’s Grace. It also speaks to the Catholic belief of the Assumption of Mary. This means that Mary, her incorruptible soul and physical body, rose to Heaven and can pray on our behalf even unto death.)
As I wrote earlier, I don’t expect you to accept this. I hope that I have provided some understanding of Mary in the eyes of at least one Catholic.
May God be with all the da
Report Post »UNBOTHERED
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:42pmThat’s because you are a racist. MUSLIM does not equal TERRORIST. There are terrorists who are Muslims and there are terrorists who are law abiding citizens. Just like there are Americans who are mass murderers as well as law abiding citizens. Conservatives make it hard for anyone to believe they are not all racists.
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:07pmSo! May God send us about a million more Rubio’s and even more angles to go in front of and behind them all.
Report Post »Cat Ballou
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:35pmLoose translation of a Muslim saying……”Give me a child’s mind to the age of 6 & I will have his mind forever” Where was Obama’s mind to the age of 10?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:44pmAs long as you are Christian… doing Christian Deeds… I TRUST You!
Report Post »Patrick Henry II
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:01pmCFL Tea Party
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:55pm
I’ll take devout Mormon during childhood over devout Muslim during childhood.
Excellent point!!! Lets help them make it a single standard.
However, it looks like Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are working out a deal and have been helping each other. Rand will be the VP choice. Makes since that Paul will not attack Romney like he does the conservatives in the race.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:09pmBingo!
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:16pm@KFalcon22000 @Arminianism
Dude. This is a website owned by a Mormon, (judging from the comments section) frequented by Mormons, that often targets news at Mormons over other religions.
Of *course* they’re going to headline Rubio as a devout Mormon because it makes the Mormons here feel better about him and their religion.
This whole article should have ended, “…and then they all realized that large swaths of the LDS doctrine doesn’t mesh with Christianity, so they quit and went back to a Christian denomination.”
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:17pm@UNBOTHERED
Law abiding terrorists?
Really?
What, or who’s laws are they abiding?
MORON
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:42pmbaptised into the faith = going in a dry sinner, and coming out a wet sinner.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:50pmOk Blaze and Jewish mainstream Media, we all understand that Rubio is your next choice as shill after Romney, Rick, or Newt..
Enough sunshine up his rear for one decade besides he’s not a Natural born citizen just like Obama… Learn your Constitution dipsticks!
Report Post »Gates
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:39pmgenennene
Roman Catholocism is as much a cult as the Mormon faith. Praying to saints and venerating Mary as much as Christ are just two examples. Add the works doctrine for salvation and you have a full blown cult. Unfortunately I have no hope that society will revert to the true Christian faith and that we are truly now in the end times. Straigt is the way and narrow is the gate. Those words are both good news and bad.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 7:50pmGates
Wow! nothing like throwing the truth out there.
Report Post »justin.blake
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:36pm@Gates-
Report Post »Here comes the ‘cult’ references again. You folks pull that out anytime you want to marginalize and demonize a religious group. Catholics a cult? Gimme a break. David Koresh….yeah, but your local padre…no way. You and others just pull up that word which is associated with utter wacko’s in order to cast a less than favorable light on another group. People have thrown that cult thing against mormons (who in all reality called themselves ‘Saints’ or ‘Latter Day Saints” while their detractors were the ones who nicknamed them Mormons), Adventists, or other non-orthodox christians in an effort to separate them from their version of Christ’s teachings. Old, tired, and useless argument!!
Darren
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:27pmLeftLover;
“Of *course* they’re going to headline Rubio as a devout Mormon because it makes the Mormons here feel better about him and their religion.”
I guess I too can use some conjecture techniques as well and say that it’s refreshing to read adolescent analysis on this site.
“This whole article should have ended, “…and then they all realized that large swaths of the LDS doctrine doesn’t mesh with Christianity, so they quit and went back to a Christian denomination.””
But…it doesn’, does it? I highly doubt Rubio would conclude anytything of the sort but to each his own I guess.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:29pmRangerP;
“baptised into the faith = going in a dry sinner, and coming out a wet sinner.”
And I thought you believed in the king James Versin of the Bible. Silly me.
Report Post »rachany
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:33pmAnd also over not devout at all
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:33pmWow! According to Gates, Mormons and Catholics are sending society to Hell. But, let me guess, Gates is a self-proclaimed “true Christian”.
/Oh, the Christian love.
Report Post »TerryDo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 11:45pmI would say 80% of the population would concur!
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:09amAnother FAKE republicorp. I get renounce everything you where or are to get a nomination or get elected.
FAKE FAKE FAKE
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:45am@DARRIN
Read Acts 8:26-40.
Baptism comes after the salvation, it is not the salvation.
There is nothing about a tank full of city water that saves a person. Once a person is saved, they make the decision to get baptised, showing or depicting their salvation. It represents the death, burrial, and resurection.
read the new testament, and find a case of baptising a baby.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Notice the Jesus told him that he needed to be born again, he did not tell him that he needed to be baptised.
All from the KJV, but fear not, the NIV, NKJV, and others read the same way.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:08am@UNBOTHERED
I can understand you being “unbothered,” but also see that you are either UNINFORMED or UNTHINKING!
You jump on this story, but have you reviewed any of the stories on the BLAZE concerning recent behavior of “loving” Muslims? The beheading of a 70 year old man, the REAL STORY Franklin Graham was trying to bring concerning the KILLING OF CHRISTIANS in muslim countries, or many other stories at your disposale here and elsewhere about muslim “kindnesses” that result in another death!
I can’t fight that SOME muslims are “good,” and I will balance that with SOME so-called Christians are “bad.” But, from my study of Islam, the Koran and the results of Islamic belief around the world, Islam is NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE, infact, I will go so far as to state that I don’t believe that Islam is REALLY A RELIGION, rather it is an ideology of death and control and is far different from the Loving God on which Judism and Christianity is based. Yes, in the OT tribal Israel were told by God to “kill some,” but it was to keep wrong teaching, health issues and morals for God’s people pure.
Jesus’ COMPLETING of the Laws in the NT is about LOVE not the culture of DEATH, so we pray for those you don’t understand, including you. Come to Life!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 8:19am@UNBOTHERED:
Report Post »Please skip this election cycle and convince at least a dozen like-minded friends to do the same. Law abiding terrorists? Simply…amazing.
Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 12:46pmRangerP;
I do not believe in infant baptism so no need to argue that point any further than to point to the Book of Mormon saying “little children are alive in Christ” and thus do not need baptism. In fact, declaring that they do only denies the mercies of God.
From Acts 8 I read the word beingpreached, people accepting the word, and then being baptized. That’s true baptism and tthe true path to salvation. I agree that baptism in and of itself is not salvation but only the outward expressin that one is willing to to take upon him/her the name of Christ anf follow Him. Thisi s required though for salvation:
“29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” (Luke 7). Here the righteous are baptized and those who are not “reject[ed] the counsel of God”. Also, here’s something more explicit: “5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” ( John 3). That conditions salvation upon baptism. As previously agreed, baptism is not salvation but it is required for salvation. More to your original point of baing baptized “into the faith” as coming out a “wet sinner”: 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” (Acts 22)
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:00pmDarrin
Acts 22:16, “And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.“ The first question that must be answered is ”when was Paul saved?” 1. Paul tells that he did not receive or hear the Gospel from Ananias, but rather he heard it directly from Christ. Galatians 1:11-12 says, “For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.” So, Paul heard and believed in Christ on the road to Damascus. Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17).
It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he also received the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)–this was before he was baptized (Acts 9:18). Acts presents a transition period where God’s focus turns from Israel to the Church. The events recorded in Acts are not always normative. With regard to receiving the Holy Spirit, the norm is that a person receives and is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:01pmDarrin
The Greek aorist participle, epikalesamenos, translated “calling on His name” refers either to action that is simultaneous with or before that of the main verb, “be baptized.” Here Paul’s calling on Christ’s name for salvation preceded his water baptism. The participle may be translated “having called on His name” which makes more sense, as it would clearly indicate the order of the events.
Concerning the words, “be baptized, and wash away your sins,” because Paul was already cleansed spiritually at the time Christ appeared to him, these words must refer to the symbolism of baptism. Baptism is a picture of God’s inner work of washing away sin (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Peter 3:21).
. It is also interesting that when Paul recounted this event again later in Acts (Acts 26:12-18), he did not mention Ananias or what Ananias said to him at all. Verse 18 again would confirm the idea that Paul received Christ as Savior on the road to Damascus since here Christ is telling Paul he will be a messenger for Him concerning forgiveness of sins for Gentiles as they have faith in Him. It would seem unlikely that Christ would commission Paul if Paul had not yet believed in Him.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:04pmdarrin
Salvation is by Grace, not works. Baptism is a work of sort, it does not save. You have to look at the whole passage, and study.
How about the thief on the cross. Jesus told him that they would see each other in paradise. Did he get saved? he was never baptised.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 4:22pmRangerP;
My main point is that the manner to “wash away sin” is through baptism. We know that Paul saw Christ but wa he “saved” by seeing and accepting Jesus? Here’s verse 10 in Acts 22: ‘10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.” What did Paul *do* in Damascus? He was baptized, no? He was appointed by Jesus in a vision to *do* something in Damascus and after arriving there he was baptized. Why so if he was saved? The pattern is as follows, hear the word, accept Christ, be baptized. Acts 9:17 says the following: “And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” I read that Paul is to receive his sight and the holy Ghost. It did not sa that he received it at that moment. But even if he did I distinguish being “filled” with the Holy Ghost and recieving what is called the “Gift” ofthe Holy Ghost. Anyone can be filled withthe hoyl Ghost but the gift is given in the manner perscribed back in Acts 8:17, ” 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.” It is by hands being laid upon the recipient.
(con’t)
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:00pm@Gates
I get it. I belong to a cult. Evangelicas and fundamentalist Protestants have told me that enough on the Blaze. But my cult is the very first organized cult. My cult decided what went into the Bible and what stayed out. I bet your Bible has 4 less books than mine. I bet your Bible was also written by man directed to do so by a king. King James if I recall correctly. Main stream Protestant churchs are second generation cults. You sound like a 3rd or 4th generation Protestant cult to me.
There is this kind of common Catholic/Protestant belief that St Peter will meet each of us at the Gate to Heaven. I wish you good luck with ole Pete. He is the rock after all.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:02pm(con’t)
“the norm is that a person receives and is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.”
I agree that one feels the holy Spirit when accepting Christ, in fact, I do not think one can truly accept Christ but by the guidance and confirmation of the Holy Spirit. However, I fail to recall thwhat part ofthe bible says one is saved at the moment of accepting Jesus. The bible does, however, advocate accepting Jesus and enduring afterwards.
“The Greek aorist participle, epikalesamenos, translated “calling on His name” refers either to action that is simultaneous with or before that of the main verb, “be baptized.”
That’s fine, even in the past partticiple form ofthe verb for do we not call upon the name of Jesus when we are baptized? In fact, the baptism in and of itself cannot be completed or even performed with caling upon Jesus’ name.
“because Paul was already cleansed spiritually at the time Christ appeared to him, these words must refer to the symbolism of baptism.”
That’s a pretty subjective interpretaton, no? I do not recall when he was cleansed spiritually before baptism but as pointed out, a plain andsimple reading of Acts 9 & 22, Paul’s baptism was done in order to “wash away” his sins.
“Salvation is by Grace, not works.”
I emphatically agree but being saved by grace does not mean you need to do certain things to receive that grace. I also agree that baptism does not save but it is required.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 5:09pmangerP;
“How about the thief on the cross. Jesus told him that they would see each other in paradise. Did he get saved? he was never baptised.”
First off, how do we know he was “never baptized”? All we know is tha he was on the cross for a crime he was [apparently] found guilty of. Also, he was told that he would be “in paradise” wit the Savior, not “saved”. There is a time for the dead to remain dead before the final judgement, no? Aparently this man on the cross was good enough to rest peacefuly until that time. While I’d say that this isa very good indication of his salvation, it is not salvation in and of itself. Especially if we are referring to eternal salvation as oppose ot a temporary one waiting for judgement.
Report Post »LogicalMetaphysician
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:59pm1. Pretty obvious UNBOTHERED was dropped on his head as an infant.
Report Post »2. Mormonism is attractive but does not stand up to rational scrutiny.
3. I expect Beck to be liberated from the LDS falsehood soon, as his critical and inquiring mind is not suited to such an easily-debunked belief system.
Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:16pmRangerP;
Just so you know, I did not type “angerP” intentionally. It’s a result of my loose fingers while typing and not proof reading before posting. You can see this amply evident in my post. My apologies. I did enjoy our dialogue.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 11:50pmCorrect my, “I emphatically agree but being saved by grace does not mean you need to do certain things to receive that grace. I also agree that baptism does not save but it is required.” to…
I emphatically agree but being saved by grace does not mean you [do not] need to do certain things to receive that grace. I also agree that baptism does not save but it is required.
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:38am@kfalcon22000
“How could someone at the age of 8 be called devout anything? He was just a kid being led by his parents.”
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Yeah, because the billions of catholics who were baptised as infants is a better way to go, huh? :P
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:52pmdid he poop his diapers and pick his nose when he was a child too????? bwarney fwank still does as an adult
not quite sure what the point of the story is ……………..he was a kid , you dont get much exposure to other religions other than your parents as a child so calling him devout to the only religion he was aware of is kinda lame as an article
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:26pm…he also, now, “calls himself a catholic”…but a s a child he “was” a devout mormon…anyway who cares?
Report Post »mrnoparty
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:51pmThe fact that The Blaze would publish a story like this is just another pathetic attempt by Glen Beck to slow his rapid acceleration into irrelevance.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:00pmMaybe Beck is considering a move back to Catholicism and this story will support that move? Just speculating, I initially thought about this after reading about his Vatican visit.
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:40pmyes…and TROLL, at the vatican they thought he was a catholic…surprised he was mormoni. he would have to drag pat kicking and screaming with him back to the catholic church.
Report Post »cindy g
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:48pmThis was first published by Politico. I read the article this morning on their site.
I think the administration set this up to take Rubio down a few notches. Liberals know Rubio is the #1 choice for VP.
Why is Rubio being “vetted” this heavily, if not for the fear it puts in the minds of progressives?
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:57pmI don’t see Rubio running on the VP ticket with any of the current candidates. I think he would refuse them all…
Report Post »PJL
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:40pmNot going to happen.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:51pmRand Paul will be Romey’s VP pick if he makes it that far. COUNT ON IT!
Report Post »CFL Tea Party
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:59pmI think you’re on to something. A lot of the buzz is about Ron being his VP because of the softballs they throw at each other but Rand is a more logical possibility.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:12pmYes .. I think so also …
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:13pmI’ll take any of the four (R)’s over O. Romney’s not my first choice but I could live with Romeny/Rand if Romney gets the nod. I know it‘s premature but I wouldn’t mind knowing who each of them are considering on the short list for potential VP’s.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:23pmThey don’t even throw softballs at each other, it’s obvious and sickening. I don’t agree with R.P. on Iran but, I respected him. Not anymore, he is a backroom dealer like every other career politician in Washington. Don‘t try and tell me he’s not a career politician either, 20 years is a career, his second career , but a career none the less. He sat back last night and criticized Congress like he hadn’t been apart of Congress for the last 20 years. Exactly the same way Obama likes to pretend he hovers above all the partisan politics when he’s right in the middle of it calling the plays.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:40pmI think RAND Paul would be a good choice
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:46pmI do too, but then I wonder if KY can elect another Conservative to the Senate.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:07pmNancyBee
Report Post »I like Rand too but, it’s beside the point. If R.P. is running for VP for Rand instead of POTUS for himself, he shouldn’t be up on that stage! Let Romney stand on his own, this wing man stuff is B.S.!
Machtyn
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:11pmAnon T Irr…
I think it can. Lexington and Louisville are probably the most Democratic, but the state is more conservative Democrat than anything. State and local politics are D, federal politics are R. (in most cases).
I would hate to lose my Senator Paul, but I wouldn’t mind it for a Romney/RandPaul ticket.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:53pmI can assure you the Republican nominee doesn’t have a chance in hell without Rand Paul on the ticket.. No way Paul supporters will back them. No way I will for certain.
Regardless Dr. Paul is leading a Revolution and we are going to take this Party over one way or the other simply because we are on the side of TRUTH and the US Constitution. FOX, Beck, hannity, and the remainder of the Jewish Media can’t distort the message forever.
Report Post »NWWADD
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 12:57amIts called respect!!! Alot of you on here should learn what that means. Especially ALL you SELF RIGHTEOUS SO CALLED CHRISTENS.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:50pmUm, I already have a pastor. I’m voting for President! I decent working knowledge of Jesus Christ is good enough. These people are politicians. How godly do we expect them to be? George Washington was an extroardinary man raised up by God for an extraordinary time. There will not be another!
Do you realize that George Washington couldn’t make it past Iowa before our own party (if you’re a Republican) would throw him out? The Democrats would lock him up. Ron Paul would complain about how he doesn’t stick to the Constitution because only Ron Paul knows what the Constitution says apparently (sacrasm HEAVILY inserted).
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:48pmToo bad Rubio is not a native born citizen and can’t serve is president or vice president.
Report Post »nocalifornia
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:58pmRobbert please get your facts straight before posting, Mr. Rubio was born in the United States jack wagon!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:04pmDidn’t stop Obama.
Report Post »aaott
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:04pmHe was born in Miami, FL and I think he is amazing!
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:27pmhis parents were illegals, Rubio is an anchor baby. lol
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:39pm@BRAINDEAD SHEAD
You Obama supporters really want to go there? I think not.
Report Post »Robert999
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:29pmRubio’s parents were not citizens when he was born in the US, so he is not a natural (which is the word I should have used) born citizen as required by the US Constitution. The same goes for Jindal. Because Obama and the Commie/Democrats violate the Constitution doesn’t mean we should do the same.
Report Post »howiem
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:56amBecause Rubio is not a natural born citizen by any stretch of the imagination, as neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth, he is not qualified for either President of Vice-President. There are plenty of important jobs that Rubio could do, but he had better start reading bills before he votes Yea on them. For example, he voted Yea on the National Defense Authorization Act it had the clause repealing the ban on bestiality, and the indefinite detention of citizens. The two houses of Congress nees a new vote, IDRI – I Didn’t Read It. Obamacare would not have gotten a single Yea vote that was not a lie.
Report Post »Rick in Iowa
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:48pmSome of the kindest, most genuine, and generous people I have ever met are Mormon. As far as I’m concerned it is a compliment to be associated with one, and a bigger compliment to be “accused” of being one.
Report Post »ashtongramp
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:43pmThat is very nice… Thank you for saying that.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:47pmAs long as our next president has the fear of God in him, he has my vote! Islamists and atheists need not apply, here that Hussein!
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:47pmSad! Enough said!
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:51pmYour ignorance and intolerance is the sad part, troll.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:58pm@ Ubethechange: “Your ignorance and intolerance is the sad part, troll.” I know from reading her posts before that Abbygirl1994 is Mormon. The story tells that Rubio left the Chuch of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is sad to a Mormon. If you consider it “intolerant”, then you stretch the meaning of that word into nothingness.
Report Post »americanfoodblister
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:46pmToo funny, one flavor of fantasy for another…When your a child you will believe anything. If you are an educated adult ?????
Report Post »Oh yea votes or money..
red_white_blue2
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:44pmDID YOU KNOW that I couldn’t care a fly F@@@%%#@ that he was a Mormon? Mormon’s love and look to God–anyone who does that..is GOOD! Get it people??!!
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:04pmJesus said: “No one is good.”
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:54pm“Jesus said no one is good.”
Yes, he did say it. What exactly he meant was not that clear. Especially since he seemed to be saying that even he himself, Jesus, was not considered good in that context. He then referred the person he was talking to with the idea that only his Father in heaven should be considered good. Perhaps he was referring to the grace of God.
In any case, Jesus also stated that the “good” people will inherit eternal life and that the “evil” people will not. So obviously there are different meanins to what “good” might mean in different usages.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:52pmLet’s have a little Sunday School lesson.. Jesus didn‘t say that ’no one was good’. He (the one without sin) said ‘all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God’. Since sin can not approach/come near or even lean in His direction.. well, we’re all screwed.. No, for the sacrifice of His son Jesus Christ (the one without sin) who took on Himself, while on the cross, the sins of ALL mankind (i’m speaking to my Muslim and Mormon friends as well) so that for a sinner (like you and me), when he believes in his heart that Jesus did this (died, was buried, conquered death and the penalty of sin, then raised to Glory), he will see God and forever be with Him. There is no other way. Only Jesus can offer forgiveness of sins and eternal life. Good and moral people are pleasant to be around but there will be good and moral people that will regrettably miss the mark by rejecting God’s Son, Jesus.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:44pmOh please, he was a child, for goodness sakes. It sounds like his Mom was converted and took the family to a LDS church. As an adult, Marco appears to be making his own faith decisions. Seems a little strange to be Roman Catholic going to a Baptist church….but what difference does it make.
I really don’t understand the Christian church breaking into denominations. When Jesus walked the earth, there were Jews and Gentiles. That’s it. I’m not a Jew so……. It makes me sad to see so much division among Christ’s church because of disagreements over how man thought Jesus wanted us to set up His church. When in doubt read His word. And, for His sake, get along with your brothers and sister in Christ! I don’t want to see anyone lose rewards over disputing/judging one another’s faith! The more important part is to share our testimony and love for Him!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:43pmAnd the point of this story is? Okay Glenn was Catholic and went Mormon. Rubio was Mormon and went Catholic. It all balances out in the wash. Nothing to read into this story.
I was Presbyterian, but went to an Episcopal school for Kindergarten through 2nd grade. So what? I wanted to marry Father Russell when I grew up; not realizing at the time he would be dead or in his 90′s.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:49pmI was a liberal and finally woke up thanks to Glenn and my questioning with boldness!
Report Post »Joe Schmuck
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:20pmMaybe while Glenn was studying American history Marco was studying his Religious (Eternal) history and made the necessary adjustment.
Report Post »MBA
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:43pmAt least he has a Christian religion and not muslim. More than can be said for the atheist in chief,
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:23pmChristianity is a cult of human sacrifice. Accept it.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:44pmOnce again, here is MOD to espouse his hatred for Christianity in anonymity because he is too cowardly to speak such hatred and mocking to his Christian friends that he loves and loves him. Seriously, MOD, if your goal is to rid the world of all things of God, why don’t you first convert your friends to your beliefs instead of coming here daily to advance it to strangers to whom you will have zero impact? Do you find comfort among the few other, extremely vocal atheists posting here who just can’t wait for a Christian-themed article to pop up so they can deride one’s faith? Do you not think every poster here hasn’t done their very own research, like you have, to decide in their beliefs as an adult? Or are you so arrogant to think your beliefs are the only absolute right and perfect ones? Tell me again how that makes you moderate and tolerant.
Cult of human sacrifice, please! Your hatred knows no bounds, does it? You no more understand the culture from 3,000+ years ago than you do 250 years ago. It must be nice to live in such a vacuum. I know you’re merely preaching your agenda points since MANY have discussed with you Jesus fulfilling the New Testament covenant. Where exactly do you find any blood sacrifices in the NT after Jesus paid the ultimate and final sacrifice?
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:18pm@ModerationIsBest:
I’d have to disagree slightly, Christianity is not “a cult of human sacrifice”. It is a religion( or cult) with “A” human sacrifice, singular. Without the “A” you imply that it is plural and endorsed more than one human sacrifice which it didn’t.
Christianity in a simplified analogy is “someone”(Jesus) loving “someone else”(Us) enough to go to court and and take the punishment for the “someone else” even though he didn’t deserve it.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:22pm@COPATRIOTS
Was Jesus man? Yes. I know your rebuttal is likely, “but he was also God(which is irrelevant).”
Was he sacrificed? Yes. I know your rebuttal is likely, “Jesus willingly gave his life for our sins, so that anybody who believes in him will not die but have eternal life(which again is irrelevant).”
Your WHOLE faith is based around this human sacrifice, without it Christianity would be………JUDAISM.
I’m sorry that honest words about your faith offend you so much. While you may deem it as “harsh” or “mean” or “Anti-Christian” it doesn’t take away from the truthfulness of my claims.
It is no different then when people(usually religious) say things like, “Word it anyway you want it, Abortion is murder.” People KNOW they are being harsh and offending people when they word things like that but they view it as TRUTHFUL, and the harshness of the wording doesn’t take away from the truthfulness of the claims made.
The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers. Ergo, Christianity, and any other religion are just very big cults.
Jesus(according to Christians) say Jesus is both God and Man, and he was crucified(by other men).
You honor this sacrifice and deem it moral to believe it’s necessary to save the souls of mankind from an eternity of torture.
Therefore.
Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice. If Jesus was never crucified, for the reasons he was crucified, Christianity would have NO mean
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:26pm@MR._PROUD_CONSERVATIVE
Without the sacrifice of Jesus, Christianity would be Judaism. Their whole faith is based around a human sacrifice. The number of human sacrifices is irrelevant. The fact is, the whole Christian faith is founded on that sacrifice.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:57pm@ModertionIsBest:
I was simply pointing out the error in your previous statement just as you were pointing out a fact in Christianity. You may think the amount of sacrifices the Bible calls for is irrelevant, but I don’t. Now if you can actually find anything false in my statement please point it out.
You use words like “based” and “founded” when you refer to the connection between Jesus being sacrificed and Christianity, but the fact is that Christianity is not “based” nor “founded” on Jesus’ sacrifice. It’s based on His love for us and Him(God) wanting to have a relationship with us. The fact that we screwed it up by sinning and Christ had to come down die for us is simply a part Christianity, it is not the base or foundation.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:40pm@Mr Proud
I was simply pointing out the error in your previous statement just as you were pointing out a fact in Christianity. You may think the amount of sacrifices the Bible calls for is irrelevant, but I don’t. Now if you can actually find anything false in my statement please point it out.
You use words like “based” and “founded” when you refer to the connection between Jesus being sacrificed and Christianity, but the fact is that Christianity is not “based” nor “founded” on Jesus’ sacrifice. It’s based on His love for us and Him(God) wanting to have a relationship with us. The fact that we screwed it up by sinning and Christ had to come down die for us is simply a part Christianity, it is not the base or foundation.”
False.
Jews have a relationship with God(ironically the same God Christians say they worship), and they obviously don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God….and God so your last statement is illogical.
Without Jesus, Christianity would be, as I said…..Judaism.
Let’s say this.
Let’s say I believe in God, and I think Jesus had some great teachings, a great moral leader and I follow his “teachings” etc, but didn’t buy into the nonsense that he was the son of God, that he died for our “sins” and that on the 3rd day he rose up, blah blah blah.
Am I a Christian? Please answer me that. If Christianity is not based and founded on believing what you have to believe about Jesus, then your answer should be “yes
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:44pm@MR._PROUD_CONSERVATIVE
You didn’t point out an “error” in my statement, you pointed out a “slight” disagreement. So you agree with me that Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice, only “slightly.”
The fact is, in order to be a Christian you have to admit that you believe Jesus HAD to die, that we NEEDED him to die to save us from our “sins.” That if given the chance to go back and save Jesus, you would choose NOT to.
That is not being moral.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:34pmHey MOD,
So you claim that just talking about GOD on TV is the equivalent of “not leaving you alone?”
Are your friends and family still continually harassing you about your lack of faith?
And still, I would like to know……..How much evil does one need to accept, before he or she reaches the state of moderation that is best?
You can direct your answers to one of the other posters here if you like. I’m pretty sure one of them will accept on my behalf.
Report Post »Mr._Proud_Conservative
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:38pm@ModertionIsBest:
Based is defined as being the “foundation of” or the “fundamental principle of”. Just because someone wouldn‘t be seen as a Christian if they didn’t believe in Jesus being the Son of God, doesn’t equal Christianity being based on Him being the Son of God.
What your saying is ” If your a law abiding citizen then you must have never robbed a bank, therefore being a law abiding citizen is based on never having robbed a bank”. What I’m trying to say is, while it is true that if you have robbed a bank you are no longer a law abiding citizen, that doesn’t mean that being a law abiding citizen is based upon never having robbed a bank it is based on a bigger whole.
So just like being a law abiding citizen is based on the bigger whole of never committing a crime, so is Christianity based on the bigger whole of God’s love which led to creating us, which led to us turning our back on Him, which led to him having to send His Son to die for us. You have to believe all those things to be Christian, but that does not mean Christianity is based on all those things, if that was true I could say Christianity is based on Jesus never having told a lie, since if you don’t believe Jesus was perfect your not a Christian.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:14pmAh MOD……you are such an expert in redemptive theology. Interesting how you only answered the one question and not the others as to why you feel so compelled to come here to spew your hatred. And look at you growing in your hatred and attempting to bring new approaches to your “argument”. Hmmmm…….I’m starting to think you are part of a discussion group of atheists or potentially an direct agent for satan himself. I can’t think of anyone that hates Christianity with as much passion as you do.
Now then, since you have no sincere or genuine concept of Christ’s purpose, you entire argument is summarily dismissed. It’s a new twist for you to call it a cult of human sacrifice since Jesus Himself is the only one who was sacrificed on the cross, of His own choice, but at the hands of evil. But since you don‘t believe in God you surely can’t grasp the concept of satan much less the evil of your very own sin (as well as mine) who Christ gave Himself for. I, for one, am eternally grateful regardless of the twisting of words you like to spew.
Must go now. BILLY, feel free to take over. You are far better at holding MOD accountable for his words than I am. And I know when to back off when I‘m sensing satan’s involvement. :-)
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:43pm@COPATRIOTS
Billy is the most idiotic of your kind and does a disservice to you people here. He(assuming) is so eager for an argument, that he doesn’t actually read what I am saying and just tries to find counter arguments to statements I never even made.
If you‘ve followed anything I’ve said on here you would realize that:
Billy accused me of playing a “game” and that my whole “purpose” here was just to get you guys in long drawn out discussions that serve no purpose(conversations that I don’t care about) and that I just sit back and “laugh” at your continual responses to my posts.
To be kind to Billy, I “released” him from my “game” and that I would no longer respond to any posts that he directed at me. Despite me continually not responding to his nonsensical posts to me(except one where I actually APOLOGIZED about a statement I made), he continues to respond to my posts, specifically asking me questions when he knows I won’t respond to them.
Instead of using this new found time to his advantage, billy continues to take time to respond to what I say. It is ILLOGICAL, but I’m not surprised by that.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:43pmOh…..and MR_PROUD_CONSERVATIVE, I just went back and read your posts. Exceedingly well said! Many thanks for joining the discussion!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:03pmHi MOD
As I have previously mentioned, I could give a rat’s behind if you respond to me to me or not.
But I find it interesting that you think yourself important enough to tell me I should not respond to your comments.
Since you broke off our relationship and quit talking to me, I have considered my replies to be more of a rhetorical nature, being posted more to expose your inconsistencies than to elicit an actual response.
And getting back to the original point of contention, you are playing a game MOD, an evil, insidious little game. And as you can tell from some other posters comments, they think so as well.
I find your choice of words rather telling when you stated above…….. “and that my whole “purpose” here was just to get you guys in long drawn out discussions that serve no purpose”
Why did you choose those words MOD? I don’t recall ever having made that accusation.
It’s almost like you know deep down inside that that is your little game. Kind of a “Freudian Slip” of sorts. Now to be fair, I did say that you were probably sitting back and laughing, but that’s all.
So rather than pose this as a question that will get no response, I will just say that I hope someday I will be learned enough to know just how much evil a person must allow in to his or her life, to get to that elusive level of MODERATION THAT IS BEST.
P.S.
Copatriots is correct when stating that you only answer the questions that you feel you can argue well.
You sk
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:04pmThat last sentence was:
You skate on the tough ones.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:24pmInteresting MOD….what is my “kind”? I guess…..if you view BILLY as the most idiotic of my kind you view me as an idiot also. So why exactly again are you here and engage in conversations with people you view as idiots? Again, your pride and arrogance is astounding. Interesting that you think BILLY’s comments that you are playing games are less offensive than me suggesting you are demonic. I don’t think you are playing games so much as you are using this as a forum to advance your viewpoints which is to pose as a conservative to bash anything Christian and/or attempt to use your argumentative skills to get “lukewarm” Christians to abandon their faith.
P.S. I also know your response to me was really directed to BILLY.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:38pm@COPATRIOTS
Thanks for bringing that point up again. I was going to mention it and forgot.
Being called an Idiot by MOD…………hmmmmmmmmmm.
I don’t know if I should go hang my head in shame, or award myself a “participation trophy”
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:38pmAnd BILLY, keep fighting the good fight! I’m proud to count you as a brother in the faith!
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 8:47pmHehehe…..I think a jewel to your crown is due! That’s my vote anyway!
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 9:12pmBTW MOD, your response above about BILLY is an example of why you seem effeminate and/or childish. Pick your poison. Your entire argument sounds like a woman scorned or a spoiled child not getting his way.
Whatever you have been through that cause your life struggle, I really do empathize. You really are your own barrier to freedom from the pit and truth. I truly wish you well.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 10:22pmHey BILLY, I was just thinking…..it is CHILLING that MOD would denounce you as “playing games” but have no response for me considering him evil. YIKES! Start quoting Scripture, my friend. I just remembered….. a few weeks ago when MOD was asking for explanation for a Christian’s position of PRO-LIFE when MOD didn’t want Scripture involved. Tread carefully!
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:11am@COPATRIOTS
Yes, I did find that a little strange to say the least. Was hoping that maybe he didn’t notice what you said.
Thanks for the kind thoughts and words. As always, the same to you.
@MOD
If you are reading this. If you are as young as I believe you to be, I hope you find some sort of peace in your life soon, because allowing that kind of anger to fester for the amount of years you have left will break you down.
But unfortunately, from what we read from you, it seems like the one thing you desire is to live in a world free from “any evidence of religion”. (I worded it that way specifically not to offend).
But MOD, that world will never, ever exist. So if you cannot stand to hear about it, or see it, then the only advice any one could possibly give you is to stay as far away as possible from places and people that are likely to offend you.
Peace
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:40pmExactly-to both…
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:37pmSarah and Rubio 2012!!!!!
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:37pmthrow him under the bus why don’t you, he just lost the evangelical vote
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:46pmPINHEAD I see your still trolling – Isn’t life fun for liberals
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:46pmAh, NO. not with this Christian. As long as he was not a Muslim, he still would have my vote.
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:01pmyou guys always side with the ‘anchor babies’ like Rubio
Report Post »Steelhead
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:06pmajax-you are like trolling pc police of the lazeB,go eat some more donuts
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:51pm@LeadBrain
Report Post »I guess that makes you a birther.
Sophie47
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:37pmRubio can’t lose; he’d appeal to Catholics, Mormons, and evangelicals.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:46pmConservatives, Independents, Aglos and Hispanics as well…too bad he’s not running.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:14pmHe is my Senator .. have supported him since he announced — have seen him speak in person a number of times … he is the real deal .. his time WILL come and until then he scares the heck out of the left. ;-)
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:32pmCatB
Report Post »Will there be anything left to govern when he does get his chance? Not looking like it.
CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:41pm@GONZO
If we can get the White House back .. then yes we can START! It will take more than a few election cycles .. these Marxists have been at it for DECADES!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:11pmBig if CatB, big if.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:34pmWe do not convert from on church to another. We are God,s children. He forgives and provides a way to our Lord in Haven. A church on earth is a place where believers come togather to worship and serve God and through God’s blessings, our fellow man. If a church presents itself as the way, the truth and the light, you are in the wrong Church.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:45pmWe are not all children of God. Only born again Christians are children of God. Why would folks like hitler , pol pot, Stalin be children of God? You need to obey God by repenting and putting your trust in Jesus who is God. Your Mormon theology sticks out like a sore thumb.
Anyway Rubio went from one cult to another which is catholicism.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:27pm@son of thunder…..We are all sons and daughters of god. Some are rebelious like satan some are faithful and obedient like Jesus. We arrive on this earth in a fallen state and can be reborn through repentance,baptism and a commitment to follow Christ’s teachings forever.
Report Post »marvel
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:44pm@SonOfThunder
Are you saying God did not create Hitler? We are all children of God, just as the Bible teaches, created in his image with freewill to choose between good and evil. Through Christ, we can become more than just mere children, we can become children of Christ, heirs and joint-heirs with him to all the Father has.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:22pmNo we are all not children of God. You might want to read the Bible. There is no where that it says everyone is child Of God. You are only a child of God if you are born again. Galatians 3:26 is clear “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,” you are probably a Mormon or catholic where they don’t teach the Bible. Repent and put your trust in Jesus.
Report Post »SonOfThunder
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 6:31pmHey mr bull, this is too easy. Read John 1 12-13. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
You need to read the Bible for all it is worth. Catholics and Mormons don’t know thier Bible because they are in a cult. They have other books they hold over the Bible.
Report Post »NWWADD
Posted on February 24, 2012 at 1:36am@SONOFTHUNDER …. YOU are a judgmental, self righteous MUSLIM in a born again so called Christen cloak. You born-agains show so much hate toward others if they don’t fit in your BOX….
Every time I read what you BORN-AGAINS spew out (Hatred) towards other Christens you seem to be a version of Muslim Extremism. If they are not with you (IN YOUR BOX) then they are of the devil.. RIGHT? LOL
How can that have anything to do with God the FATHER OF US ALL.
Report Post »TriforcePlayer
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:33pmI don’t care.
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:37pmdoesn’t matter……..do you remember when arizona came out with its immigration law…………marco actually went on tv and said we did not need that kind of law in florida………………i guess he doesnt mind going to walmart and hearing spanish from the illegals that don’t speak much english
Report Post »Female
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:31pmSounds like a well rounded Christian to me!
Report Post »JPDevuyst
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:31pmI can see the conspiracy theorists now – chanting how Romney and Rubio will establish some kind of theocracy…
Report Post »EastofEdenFarms
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:29pmNothing to see here.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:28pmSo what? I guess it would have been better if he had gone to Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years?
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:35pmGood point! And as I read it — as a child Rubio followed his parents (honor thy father and mother) and attended the church that they did…. later as a young person he helped them chose another path .. .big deal .. sounds like he cares about his faith.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:27pmDon’t you just love stupid cousins
Report Post »Unfortunately we all have them- they are like cold sores
they come and they go
Female
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:33pmThese cousins aren’t being nice! Yep, I would agree more like an infection.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 23, 2012 at 12:37pmSounds like someone got PAID!
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