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Marine Sent to Psych Ward Over Facebook Posts Now Released… But Who Could Be Next?

Judge Orders Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts Brandon Raub Released, Could You Be Next?

Brandon Raub (Source: Facebook)

(UPDATE: Attorney of Former Marine Detained for Facebook Posts to Beck: Psychiatrist Threatened to ‘Brainwash’ My Client With Meds)

The Marine veteran who was detained over anti-government Facebook posts is headed home after a circuit court judge ordered he be released from a psychiatric facility on Thursday, WWBT in Richmond reports.

The judge ruled that the government had no legal grounds to detain Brandon J. Raub, a 26-year-old former U.S. Marine, and Virginia resident.

On August 20, Raub was sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility after he was detained by federal law enforcement on August 16 over some Facebook posts that criticized the U.S. government and questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also referred to “starting a revolution.”

John Whitehead, Raub’s lead attorney, will appear on Glenn Beck’s show tonight on GBTV, soon-to-become TheBlazeTV — watch it LIVE tonight at 5:15 ET or stream it later here.

Whitehead told Business Insider that the August 20 detention order was “rubber-stamped” and represents the corrupt system in Virginia.

“The special justice is very old,” Whitehead said. “He had trouble hearing Brandon. He brought into the courtroom a personal cassette player – we tried to listen to it and you can hardly hear what’s being said. This is the so-called judge – he’s a lawyer, not a real judge – it’s like what you would see in a bad movie.”

So, as many of you are probably wondering, under what grounds could you be detained by the federal government without a warrant or probable cause?

Well, according to Whitehead, more than 20,000 people are “committed” under similar circumstances each year — in Virginia alone. “That means a lot of people are disappearing,” accused of having a so-called mental illness.

“I’m friends with the local police; I could call them right now and probably get you committed if you were in Virginia,” Whitehead added. “They can arrive at your door based on somebody’s testimony or your Facebook page and take you away to a mental hospital… There’s a system here that is corrupt. And this guy is caught in it.”

In his defense motion, Raub’s lawyers argued that the initial detention orders did not follow Virginia state law that the Chesterfield Police Department cited, making Raub’s indefinite detention illegal.

Chesterfield police claimed they “took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody.”

But as Business Insider points out, “Va. Code § 37.2-808 states that a person in emergency custody may only be held for four hours unless a magistrate enters a temporary detention order (TDO).” Raub was held for days.

From Raub’s defense motion:

“The government’s power to involuntarily admit an individual for evaluation of a mental illness is a creation of statute. Because an order providing for such admission deprives a citizen of his liberty, to protect citizens from an overreaching government the Virginia legislature has created a specific, detailed procedure, set forth in Virginia Code  § 37.2-800, that must be followed before an individual can be involuntarily admitted. In the present case, that procedure was not followed. As such, the District Court’s August 20, 2012 order is void.”

“The best thing they can do now is say ‘We’re not going to charge this guy, we’re going away.‘ But we’re not going to let this go away,” Whitehead said.

This is from Raub’s Facebook page:

America has lost itself.  We have lost who we truly are.  This is the land of the free and the home of the brave.  This is the land of Thomas Jefferson.  This is the land of Benjamin Franklin.  This is the land of Fredrick Douglas.  This is the land of Smedley Butler.  This is the land John F. Kennedy.  This is the land of Martin Luther King.  This is the land where the cowboy wins.  This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top.  This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family.  This is the land where every race coexists peacefully.  This is the land where justice wins.  This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns.  This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother.  This is land where people beat racism.

The incident raises the possibility that the government may be monitoring what you say via social media. It is already compiling your tweets and this shows it could be monitoring your Facebook posts as well.

FBI spokeswoman Dee Rybiski argues federal agents did not monitor Raub’s Facebook page, but were sent “a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts.” But Whitehead argues the Facebook page in question was recently created and set to private and that he doubts the FBI’s official story. What may be more alarming is that “a few complaints” could result in an American citizen being placed in a psych ward.

Judge Orders Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts Brandon Raub Released, Could You Be Next?

Brandon Raub's profile (Image: Facebook screenshot)

 

That brings us to the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, signed into law by President Obama on New Years Eve, which civil rights activists argue allows the federal government to “indefinitely detain” American citizens considered to be “terrorists.”

The Washington Times provides commentary from a Dallas lawyer who explains his concerns with the case and the new powers granted to the federal government under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012:

“In May, a U.S. Judge Forrest suspended the federal government’s new unconstitutional power to indefinitely detain United States citizens based on mere suspicion of being ‘terror-linked.’ Last week, Obama’s attorneys refused to define any terms, including what constituted as ‘linked’ to a ‘terrorist.’”

“They also refused to testify they were not in contempt of court for denying due process for Americans even after the judge’s restriction. This is a reckless abandonment of the American system and a violation of every American principle.”

“Arresting dissidents without calling it ‘arrest,’ which is in complete violation of Raub’s civil liberties, combined with the insistence that the federal government has a right to imprison anyone based on suspicion, should scare every American. We are losing this republic and fast.”

To be sure, President Obama has promised he will not use the indefinite detention power on U.S. citizens, but he can‘t speak for all of America’s future presidents.

As the Washington Times explains, “the language of the NDAA is so vague that Raub’s entire family, friends or anyone who ‘substantially supported’ him or ‘associated forces’ could also be indefinitely detained without trial. According to Obama’s lawyers, it is possible.”

TheBlaze reached out to Whitehead for additional comment but did not hear back in time for this report.

While more details are likely to come out, so far it seems the FBI, Secret Service, and local law enforcement used a controversial state statute to detained a military veteran with no warrant and ordered he be committed to an insane asylum.

If a Facebook post, titled “The Truth,” can land Raub in a psych ward and likely on the government’s “watch list” for years to come, it may be reasonable to ask: What stops federal agents from busting down your door if you happen to be a 9/11 “truther” or an anti-government liberty activist?

Also keep in mind, people who are “reverent of individual liberty“ are already potential ”right-wing terrorists,” according to the Department of Homeland Security.

Raub’s case was discussed on “Real News From The Blaze” Wednesday. Watch a clip from the show where the panel was joined by John Whitehead of The Rutherford Institute, who is representing Raub.

Comments (209)

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:34pm

    Oh snap! I just posted that Joe Biden is a genius on my FB page. Wait, there’s a knock at the door…..

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:33pm

    Those who are being detained should sue the people for false accusations. See how long it takes them to quit messing up people lives.

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    • QuincySmith
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:43pm

      Unfortunately, only one bad judge.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:59pm

      Where does Ken Cuccinelli come in on this?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:29pm

      Remember…. Robert Gibbs is at Facebook.

      This means that Obama has complete access to everything on Facebook.

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    • ThoreauHD
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:34pm

      “Where does Ken Cuccinelli come in on this?”

      Good question.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:35pm

      Anyone notice the World of Warcraft style sword in the picture?

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:16pm

      I used to train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under Romero “Jacare” Cavacalanti in Atlanta. He had a saying I liked, “Be careful who you train, in that you don’t raise up a snake”.

      I think that can also be applied to who you defend, or claim to be on the same side as you.

      Not bad mouthing this marine, or trying to jump to conclusions, but something smells bad on this one. He may be a great American. I just get vibes from his picture, the funky sword, and using the word “revolution”.

      What I don’t want to do, is hold someone up as a hero, and they turn out to be a real loon that makes the rest of us conservatives look bad. You have to be very careful when you start condoning violence against the gov. The far left socialist want to paint us that way. Don’t give them legit ammo to use against us.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:24pm

      @rangerp

      I get your point. His attorney has said that Brandon, his sister and someone else (I forget the person) were role playing on Facebook.

      The orange hair and the sword could mean that he is a World of Warcraft or some other online game player and “some” of these people do have problems with the difference between reality and fantasy.

      I know this because I used to supervise a few of these “online game playing” people. Remember all the problems with Everquest back in 1999 and 2000?

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    • yiska8
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:49pm

      @ RangerP.
      I thought the same. The left wants to portray the average traditional American as a potential militia rebel against the government. But, if this guy and others are being detained illegally for their free speech rights who are servicemen or women, or just regular people, it has the opposite effect rather than the fear the government wants us to feel.. It creates even more distrust from goverment. Facebook is owned and reeks of Obama pestilence in the form of former staffers. I never used it, but no doubt they are watching the posts here and elsewhere.

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    • Daddy Hawg
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:59pm

      Let me get this straight, Nidal Hasan evidenced signs before the Fort Hood shooting and nothing was said because of the PC environment. Gifford’s shooter showed signs of instability before his shooting. The Colorado “joker” was turned in by his doc and nothing happened. At what point do we stop the BS lawsuits and the worrying about hurting someone’s feelings. I would rather see someone detained for a short duration than have another attack. Better yet I would like to see concealed carry permitting excepted by more so that we can defend ourselves when the cops are only minutes away.

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    • Wango
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:15pm

      I used to train in El Juego del Garrote under a Maestro Jugador named Yakadapesh Dimakidasayenov – Eastern bloc transplant to Peoria via Caracas. He used to tell me, “Never blow your nose in your hand with a hanky in your pocket.” Wise man. Retired to Kashmir. Saw him there last month.

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    • ITGuy
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:31pm

      I believe that is a Conan The Barbarian replica sword from the schwarzenegger movies. So he likes fantasy swords. I have the replica sword from the Highlader tv show. I don’t display it, but i have it. Who cares.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:37pm

      @Wango, OK that was funny.

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    • Lucy Larue
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:39pm

      @RANGERP,
      Wise post RANGERP. Merci and HOOAH!
      Still….,our mental health system is in such disarray! Parents cannot have their schizophrenic adult children committed for observation and care if the adult child does not sign himself in. If they do get admitted they’re out when the insurance company says they should be out.

      It just seems so wrong what happened to this guy. They could have surreptitiously monitered him. Why the big bust? With HANDCUFFS?

      I have a Tee Shirt from Uzbekistan. I cannot print the Russian words here because my keyboard is not set up for it. The shirt was printed in celebration of the fall of the Soviet Union.
      English translation….,”DON’T TELL ANYTHING ANYWHERE. EVEN WALLS CAN HEAR. AND YOU CAN DIE FOR CHEATING YOUR FATHERLAND”.
      Who would think it could happen here?
      If you actually think about it…, it’s not a stretch. Our mainstream media has been operating like TASS and PRAVDA for how long now? And we as Americans let it happen.

      This is the life cycle of Democracy stated by Scottish Historian Alexander Tyler in 1887.

      “A Democracy is always tempoary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It will continue up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
      The majority votes for the candidate who promises the most benefits from the treasury,with the result that every democracy will collapse over loose fiscal policy. Followed by a dictatorship.

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    • woebegone
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:08pm

      Here is the problem–psychiatrically ill patients have more rights than you ever will, and waste more court time and public money than you can imagine. Cases like this, promoted by the legal system who already financially rape the public on “behalf” of the of psychiatrically ill, further the grounds for litigation which is already shameful, wasteful, ignorant and anti-therapeautic. So congrats to the Obama administration for creating the sickest, and most expensive misuse of psychiatric services and time since the USSR gulag system. Sickening.

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    • yiddishlion
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:40pm

      Hey people I took the time to check out his writings, and videos thoroughly. He definitely needed to be checked out. The guy is an unhinged moron. From what I read it isn’t a stretch to think he might go on a shooting spree. And I am not one to EVER side with the government.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 9:46pm

      yiddishlion

      A unhenged moron for speaking out against the government? And writing lycs on a FB page? Well you just did side with the government and you sound like a SS officer in training. Good day to you, you unamerican…

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:11am

      YOU ARE ASSUMING: That the Courts & Government will support the Law… that you believe Exists!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 8:57am

      yiddishlion

      I am with you on this one. This kid is not in the same camp as me. I think he is more in line to hang out with Wango.

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    • Wango
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:49am

      RANGERPEE . . .How gratuitous of you! It was the El Juego del Garrote, right? Yes, it was. You’re too easy. Toughen up, son. One day you WILL pee straight. Until then, I suggest you go back and obsess on some homostatistics for a while. It seems to calm “the tingle” that haunts you.

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    • Amarilloan
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:33pm

      RangerP, you are absolutely correct. However, two wrongs never make a right. This guy may deserve investigating, but do it legally. This law which makes it possible for people to “disappear” is more in tune with the Gestapo or the KGB.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:55pm

      “go back and obsess on some homostatistics”

      Looks like Wango Tango is out of the closet.

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    • AmericanGrl
      Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:20pm

      rangerp I was sure fooled by it, go look at the support page on facebook, it’s crazy. Thankfully many who’s went on there thinking there was an atrocity of our Constitution are getting the real picture. I can‘t believe I was fooled into believing this was something it’s definitely not.

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  • OneTermPresident
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:32pm

    So lets send a million complaints to the FBI concerning Obama’s mental state and that we feel threatened by his words and policies and demand they detain him.

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    • SocialistSlayer
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:28pm

      The FBI and Justice Department are so far up obama’s butt they would have to arrest themselves!

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:33pm

      What are the odds Mitt Romney will use this same power against American citizens?

      Imagine a scenario where inflation is 20% per year, unemployment doubles, deficit doubles, and interest rates skyrocket. Will Mitt Romney use the same silencing force against his libertarian critics when they criticize price controls, stimulus, and new deal programs???

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:02pm

      @OneTermPresident

      Was it the orange hair that got him locked up in a mental ward?

      Maybe if Obama dyes his hair orange they will also think he’s crazy like James Holmes…

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    • hifi74
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:09pm

      THE-MONK

      And here I was going to say Dennis Rodman.

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    • The Him
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:21pm

      “People have a great misconception in this way, they think way they solve things by electing the right people. Its nice to elect the right people, but that isn’t the way you solve them. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things.”

      -MIlton Friedman

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:04am

      Oneterm – Your suggestion makes good sense. Now we have to get Sweet Old Barack and his cabinet into Virginia. Then the FBI could get rid of most of the threat to our way of life in one big raid.

      OMG Nov 6, 2012

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  • daveposh
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:31pm

    Or a small-government liberty activist?

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:28pm

    It’s a first amendment issue and it protects all of us from the government,you may not like what he said but that’s too bad,you might not like the sick %^&* that comes from the cult members of WBC,I detest what they say but it’s protected speech.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:01pm

      he was locked up 2 hours from my house. Another week, and a bunch of us would have set out to set him free….

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:28pm

      Hi soybomb315_II,

      Seriously? That would take some guts or gumption.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:35pm

      i will cannot stand by while the government takes people away who have committed no crime.

      I didnt say anything about violence but at some point, the government must understand that there are limits to their power

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Hi soybomb315_II,

      You are aware of the “Baker Act” from 1971? NDAA might not have been needed to lock Brandon up. I don’t know which States have this or if it is a Federal law now. But, I do agree with you. Due process is needed and that‘s why I don’t like the Baker Act.

      http://www.namigainesville.org/images/CIT%20Baker%20Act%20Essentials.pdf

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Act

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  • floridareader
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm

    Pure intimidation

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    • RLTW
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:56pm

      And character assassination, I call it an NDAA test run allowing the alphabets a look at how far they can push the American people.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:19pm

      more than just intimidation….This was meant to chill free speech by small-government activitis around the country. This is how it goes with out-of-control governments – first they silence their critics and WOULD BE critics. After that, their is no restraint to their power grab

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm

    So it continues, and do not forget the ‘unlimited detention of American citizens’ that Obama had signed not long ago. This is only a small taste of what will happen when the god-king of the Democrats unleashes his madness on us all.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:33pm

      Dont skip by who created and supported that bill either. Obama and friends own this. Give credit where credit is due. McCain, Paul Ryan, West, Rubio, and even Romney share this one with Obama.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:42pm

      Mutiny-
      I was very disappointed in West for this vote. Up until then I liked. Only 3 Republicans voted against it. Sad state of affairs.

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    • MAULEMALL
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Mutiny is shorthand for MuTard…

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:54pm

      House passed bill with out sections 1031 and 1032, the controversial sections that allow Americans to be indefinitely detained. (I didn’t look this up so I might be wrong on numbers.) Senate put them in at Obama’s personal request. Republicans went along to avoid military cuts, that ended up happening anyway. Romney didn’t have anything to do with this bill and Paul voted on a different bill. McCain does hold some responsibility. But that’s because he was in the military it has a way of brain washing people.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:08pm

      Mutiny is right on about this. Why call him names? Do you disagree that the people he mentioned aren’t supporters of this? I looked at the Republican voting records a few weeks ago and there are VERY few Republicans that aren’t in favor of the police state.

      GOP that have a clean record on the police state:

      Justin Amash, MI
      Timothy Johnson, IL
      Tom McClintock CA

      GOP that have a mistake or two on the police state:

      Walter Beaman Jones Jr., NC (drones)
      Scott Tipton, CO (cyber security)
      Raul Labrador, ID (cyber security)
      Jeffrey Duncan, SC (cyber security)
      H. Morgan Griffith, VA (cyber security, drones)

      In the Senate, you have Rand Paul and Jim Demint.

      If you believe in the Bill of Rights, then every Republican not on this list must be voted out. And note, the only 2010 Tea Party members on the list is Rand Paul.

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:08pm

      MAULEMALL wow good one! huhuhu huhuhuh duh!

      It’s hard for me to sit here and read some of these comments. Most people here are adamant about voting for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and talk about how these things are going to stop when we get Obama out of office. Yet; Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan supported this bill. Paul Ryan voted yes for this bill that robs ALL Americans of their liberty.

      Here is what they write in response to people who post the truth in their comments:
      You’rs so STUPID. Stupid Paulbots huh hu huh huh. You’re voting for Obama if you WASTE your vote on RP. Paulites are a bunch a liberal neocons huh uhu huh huh. Go back to your parents basement huh duh uhu huhu. Go smoke some pot duh huh uhu huhuhhu.

      Go back to sleep now it’s nap nap time.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:11pm

      Freedomofear, After the bill was signed into law, Ron Paul introduced legislation removing only the indefinite detention portion from the 2012 defense bill. That excuse that they went along with it just to keep the military going, is crap.

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    • IsThereADifference
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:12pm

      Republicans went along to avoid military cuts,

      Oh; well then it’s all ok then. They were just trying to keep their unconstituional wars funded while they were stripping us of our rights. Phew! Back to sleep now it’s nap nap time.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:13pm

      @maul

      Yes call me names. It proves my point 90% of this country are clueless.

      @freedom

      The House knew what was coming. They even commented on it. Yes, their excuse was they wanted to fund the troops, that is a lame excuse. The troops fight for our freedom, to fund them with the very same bill that takes our freedom away is absurd. Romney during a debate said he supported the bill as it was worded. So yes, the possible future commander in chief agrees with this and that is a problem for me.

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    • country_hick
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:17pm

      Hey Snow…

      FOIA the procedures that the Service uses to ‘investigate’ a referral.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:54pm

      You fox fed gulls brought this on yourselves[ with your;there's a [muslim]boogey man terrorist around every bend and if you oppose our war on terror you’re unamerican -mentality].Now you’re surprised your war mongering totalizing fascist good vs. evil mentality has come back to bite you.

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    • FREEDOMoverFEAR
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:00pm

      Throughout American history people have been condemned by the American Government for mental health issues. It was far more frequent even up into the 1930′s than it is today, and the condemned were often housed in jails in horrible conditions. Some were forced to have parts of their brains cut out (lobodamy) and some were even euthanized. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/diseases/early.html

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:14pm

      Hi Justangry,

      You should retype that first post. It looks like you put “In the Senate, you have Rand Paul and Jim Demint“ under the ”GOP that have a mistake or two on the police state” category.

      Hope all is well with you and yours. : )

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:44pm

      Rose-Ellen, They’re all the same, but yeah Fox is horrible with their boogyman scare tactics. If you haven’t notice the Constitutionalists and Libertarians are on here speaking out against it. Of course, we’re the boogymen to the Lefties and commies.

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  • momrules
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:22pm

    How can anyone still believe that we are still living in Old America? Only in New America could this happen and it could happen to anyone of us.

    I HATE being afraid of my own government and I am. I hate being called a terrorist because I believe in the Old America and proudly say so to any and all.

    Brandon Raub was a test case, many many more of us may disappear before long and only the government will know where we are.

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    • resme
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Totally agree, Mom. We have to remember when we send these politicians to washington they do not magically become perfect and sinless along the way. It’s what we have the constitution for to restrain these imperfect humans. The constitution is nothing but words on a piece of paper to the politician. ITS UP TO THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:34pm

      Very well said and yes they are testing,probing, looking to see how far we’ll allow them to go and trample the constitution. “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:55pm

      MomRules – I hate being afraid of our government too and it has come to that now. Even at the local level where they are trying to sneak in UN Agenda 21 without the public’s knowledge. This Marine deserves compensation for what they did to him. Its like a story out of a movie about Hitler. I pray the elections are actually held in Nov. and that Romney wins.

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:15pm

      Welcome to the Liberty Movement, Momrules! Once you embrace it, the fear goes away.

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  • RNR2012
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:20pm

    Wow! The silence (lack of comments) is deafening. We do need to stand against this over-reaching government – peacefully stand. Here’s a suggestion: Detain the leaders of the New Black Panther Party and have them committed for a psych evaluation. Fair is fair.

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    • Cherbear
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:39pm

      @RNR2012. Give it time, but believe me, more people realize this for what it is and don’t have to post. All I can say is, we are Americans and we’ll only tolerate so much; don’t push us into a corner. I pray for this nation, we need it.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Interesting that Holder never notices their craziness ! The NBPP were the force behind the Zimmerman media circus/ witch hunt . And it was a black dude who killed Malcolm X. Odd that justice may be blind but certainly not COLOR blind ! Useful tools for the Far Left Democrats now in power…

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    • resme
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:02pm

      “Useful tools for the Far Left Democrats now in power”

      @barber, Only if the republicans didn’t give them the “tools”.

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  • resme
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:20pm

    “To be sure, President Obama has promised he will not use the indefinite detention power on U.S. citizens, but he can‘t speak for all of America’s future presidents.”

    Why does he need the power then?

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:51pm

      And it only took him 7 months for him to break that promise.

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    • resme
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:59pm

      “And it only took him 7 months for him to break that promise.”

      That’s what we think. I wonder how many have been secretly black bagged and whisked away.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:12pm

      dont forget the kill list. that has been around for awhile

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:53pm

      Oh I haven’t forgot about the kill list. Killing someone without due process is murder. Obama, by definition, is a murderer.

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  • Common Sense 24
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

    So you can indefinitely detain someone for being linked to a terrorist? Even somebody like Bill Ayers. Hmmm……….

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    • vanman4446
      Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:26pm

      You have to remember this is by order of the head bull **** Napolitano.

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  • PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

    This is scary stuff.
    OMG

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  • Cuthalu
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:18pm

    I love that statement near the end, that the government “may be” monitoring social media. Hello, they have for a LONG time. They watch, monitor and record any and ALL electronics, all without our knowledge, permission and of course withOUT a search warrant. Land of the free? Hasn’t been for my lifetime.

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:18pm

    You guys need to do something about this frightening statute. It’s like something from Soviet Russia.

    What is Mr Romney’s view on this?

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:40pm

      Romney supports it as do 97% of the republican party. Republicans sponsored it and voted for it. Only 3 republicans voted against it. Thank God my representative was one of them.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:15pm

      @Lion,

      Clearly he wasted his vote then.

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:17pm

    Thanks too Obama, Rubio, McCain, Graham, Ryan, West, and (supported by Romney) it could be anyone next. The FBI already thinks using cash, storing food, buying ammo, buying guns, or buying farm land is considered terrorist activity.

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  • WAKEUPUSA2012
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:17pm

    According to “therealconservative”(the DHS goon) and “Time2End” anyone who dares to question the government is next. Neconservatives love the quasi-police state USSR model that we are falling into. Remember we have been hijacked by bankers and globalist. The Texas judge gets it, hell anyone who has an IQ above 100 gets it. Now maybe Beck is a flip floping swine when it comes to 911 truthers, but atleast he has enough sense to see this was wrong. But when therealconservative and time think we are all crazy, you can be assured, we are anything but.

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  • stopspendingourmoney
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:16pm

    Now he needs to sue the FBI and secret service for arresting him for no crime being committed. I would bet he will have the lawyers lining up at his door.

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    • RNR2012
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:29pm

      Yeah… good luck suing the government. Obama will just sick the IRS dogs on you. R&R 2012!

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  • barber2
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:16pm

    Interesting. The old USSR Communist regime used this tactic to send political opponents to the gulags. Is this another “ flexible” example of the international Left school of government to which America’s Far Left Democrats seem to be active members ?

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Interesting you bring that up, since your boy Romney supports it. Of course so does Obama, Paul Ryan, Rubio, West, great former nominee McCain and his buddy Graham all believe in indefinite detention.

      Oh but remember the Alex Jones/Ron Paul supporters are the crazy people. You wont get it until there is martial law, our guns are gone, and people are being shot by firing squads in alleys.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:41pm

      Mutiny: We have our wonderful sneaky terrorists to thank for all of this added security. They are truly the “gift that keeps on giving” to those who want to “change ” America – for the worse . Fits so nicely with that open border mess. ( while we have tax payers have to be groped at airports ?! our federal government refuses to seal our borders ?! Make sense ?! )

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    • resme
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:45pm

      @barber, Watch this short 5 minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkgDl6mmO0

      It’s on your favorite network FOX!

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Good thing no Republicans voted for it. Oh, wait. Good thing the GOP VPOTUS didn’t vote for it. Ooops. Well good thing Romney opposes it. Uh…nevermind.

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    • stopspendingourmoney
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:02pm

      Amen Mutiny!!!
      its amazing to me that most people don’t know this and or ignore it all together. Including Beck, I like him, but I don’t understand this part about about him.
      Got Ron Paul?

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:48pm

      As this government continues to take over every aspect of our lives, from healthcare to the food we eat, to predetermined activities, to indoctrination to curfews, we will have less and less liberties till finally we all become a nation of unrelenting servitude. Why have we as Americans looked the other way? And we dismissed what we heard as idle chattering. Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of us for our lack of concern over these many, many years that .gov has chipped away at our rights. Obama only has taken advantage of our own negligence. Vote for America while we still can!!

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  • grayhaired vet
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:15pm

    Everyday that passes, it seems more and more like 1936 in Da Fatherland.

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  • eCharleen
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:15pm

    You know Big Brother‘s tollin’ this site.

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:14pm

    …
    We folks here at The Blaze are next.

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    • Mutiny
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:34pm

      No, there is only a few on their list here. Most of them are freedom and Constitution followers. The Romney people are safe and will be just part of the herd.

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  • Platonician
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:13pm

    “That means a lot of people are disappearing,”
    Of course, and one of the first Executive Orders Obama will enact after November is the creation of “reeducation camps”, after Bill Ayers’ plan. They will be managed by the most brutal and sadistic elements of the militia Obama will form with all the black male convicts he will pardon. There were 820,000 black criminals serving time in 2008.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:13pm

    I am glad he is out…, he never should have been picked up to begin with. He should now sue them all including the person(s) that passed and promoted this unconstitutional law. Someone needs to pay. This government and some state governments are completely out of control and need to be slapped down.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

      Where’s the ACLU when you need them ? Wouldn’t that be a switch hit for them ?

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    • jungle J
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:37pm

      send him a check now.

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  • McNamara
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:11pm

    Time to get off of Fartbook. I hope he sues the tar out of Virginia..

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:08pm

    I don’t agree with his posts, but then again, I don’t agree with ANY liberals who post, either. Maybe they will take all the LIBERALS to the psych ward.

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    • thegreatcarnac
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm

      Good idea. Send libs to asylums. God knows they are all twisted.

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    • RLTW
      Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:56pm

      Liberals by virtue of ideology live in a perpetual asylum already.

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

    But what if they come for you next?

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  • WAKEUPUSA2012
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

    Can you expand on your comment? What was he lying about? Did none of this even happen? Are we all delusional? Or did a VET get picked up by the secrect service for his negative post about the government?

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  • justangry
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

    Actually the Blaze and MSM were late to pick up on this story. People were hammering the message boards at least two days before Drudge picked it up. When did you Huffpo pick up on it?

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:23pm

    Maybe some future right-wing president has been noting your idiotic posts and decides to send you to a mental hospital until you change your ways?

    What is your view of NDAA likely to be then?

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:25pm

    That was meant for Trollmonger. I was being a bit lazy.

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  • Not Giving Up
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm

    Troll, you should change up your approach every now and then. Keep it interesting. Your posts are so predictable. You are not living up to your name.

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  • RLTW
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:37pm

    What’s really sad is I read about this a week ago on multiple sites, as to Beck and this site posting a national story of injustice with facts and quoted State law it’s warranted.

    The idea that you think/believe this true event should go unreported only shows you to be the communist you are.

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  • hidden_lion
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:46pm

    How is it paranoia when this case is an example it is a fact? The article mentions 20,000 such cases.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:31pm

    Hi Justangry,

    At least Beck had the attorney on GBTV tonight.

    I haven’t seen anyone else do an interview with him yet.

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  • Lucy Larue
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:58pm

    TROLLMONGER,
    I so doubt that you would be familiar with the abiding truisms of Aesop’s fables. I do.
    You will probably not understanfd the following. YOU are the Grasshopper.
    GOOGLE it TROLLMASTER. You need to.

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  • justangry
    Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:56pm

    @The_Monk, I still think GB is better than the rest of the media, but that’s not saying much. I like the alternative media more, but it has it’s own set of problems. At least they aren’t owned by a few men with CFR membership.

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:10am

    How come Troll’s comment was pulled?

    It was silly, but he should still b e allowed to say it.

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