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Marines Discharge Sgt. for Anti-Obama Facebook Postings

Marines Discharge Sgt. Gary Stein for Anti Obama Facebook Postings

AP

The Marine sergeant who posted comments critical of President Barack Obama on Facebook will be discharged, the Marine Corps announced Wednesday.

Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members, the Associated Press reported.

The government said Stein posted anti-Obama comments and images on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, including an image of the president on the “Jackass” movie poster. Among the comments was one that stated: “Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him.” The page had more than 29,000 “likes” as of Wednesday afternoon.

Stein has maintained he was exercising his right to freedom of speech and that he put a disclaimer on the page saying his views did not represent the Marine Corps.

Stein, a San Diego-area Marine, served for nearly 10 years, according to the AP. The discharge means he will lose all his benefits.

The discharge comes after a military board recommended earlier this month that Stein be dismissed.

According to a posting on the Armed Forces Tea Party page, Stein’s actual discharge has been postponed pending test results for a medical condition Stein was diagnosed with Monday.

Marines Discharge Sgt. Gary Stein for Anti Obama Facebook Postings

Image source: Armed Forces Tea Party

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  • Nevermind
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:36pm

    VanceUppercut
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:25pm
    @Nevermind

    Damn, every time I see your name I feel like putting on a Nirvana CD. Yeah, I still listen to CD’s, I’m old and everything scares me!!!
    ***********

    I never thought about that wiht the name nevermind, but that is funny. I’m only 37 but with the music that is out nowadays i feel old myself. Give me some old Stones and I am fine, let the kids listen to the rest

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    • rangerp
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:44pm

      do not let your alligator mouth over ride your tadpole butt.

      After initially seeing this article, I went to facebook, delted all my friends, my family, all posts, pictures and comments. One can never be to carefull. Facebook got in the way of my reloading anyhow.

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    • barfield2256
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:07pm

      I’m 37 too. Nirvana takes me back to a much better time – well before 9/11 and all of it’s fallout in the decade since (Patriot Act, NDAA, etc.). I can’t tell you how many times I just drove around listening to Nevermind.

      Nirvana playlist:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9Dy3_XI2VMcxjpqCX9l2shz

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    • Uranium Wedge
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:54pm

      I believe the Military will eventually have to remove Obama from office.
      Their first priority is to protect the Constitution.

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    • jzs
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:38pm

      I read some good comments on this thread and some that were not so good. Forget the armed services for a moment. Suppose you work for IBM and you post remarks, public remarks, about how sorry IBM is and how unethical your boss is. Freedom of speech right? Sorry, you can speak freely for sure, but IBM is free to fire you too. The military has far more restrictive views, but you can’t even do what this guy did civilian life.

      Which brings me to my point. This guy is just stupid.

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:06pm

      @ jzs
      The difference is:
      IBM is a private corporation.
      The military is not. If we pay for the military, the Constitution MUST be followed. It’s really that simple. I suggest you read the Federalist (often mistaken for The Federalist’s Papers). If you have, then there is little hope for you.
      Peace

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    • jzs
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:46am

      JediPatriot, first, you’d better read the Constitution, which says the government can’t limit your freedom of speech. You‘ll note it doesn’t say IBM can’t, or any other company or group can’t.

      Regardless, in the army your freedom of speech is restricted. You can’t publicly criticize the chain of command, a regulation that’s been in place since the Civil War.

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 10:11am

      @ jzs
      And perhaps you need to read my post. I never said that IBM can’t limit freedom of speech. Although, technically, they cannot. However, they can fire you for saying anything, and that is legal because it is privately owned. However, because the military is paid for by the public, the people in the military are protected by the Constitution.
      As for the Civil War regulation, from what I understand, that regulation comes from the North side of that conflict. The South had no such regulation, that I’m aware of.
      Question. Have you ever changed anyone’s point of view by coming to this site?
      Peace

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:38pm

      It always bothered me that the new military was allowing it’s officers to spout, well, treasonous sounding epithets about the duly elected President of the United States. Some of the alligators who (I thought) claimed to be active duty were also openly claiming they would never serve the Commander in Chief simply because they disagreed with his or her legitimacy.

      In earlier days our US military knew how to lawfully serve our commissions with honor. You do not get asked to agree with your lawful orders.

      So I am glad the USMC has acted in this case and hope the discipline will spread.

      Nobody is telling sworn service members what to believe, they are just saying you cannot serve as a traitor. You can apply as a conscientious objector, or petition for administrative separation with an honorable or less than honorable discharge. Or you can go to Courts Martial like our foolish young Sergeant, and rest your fate there.

      Still, it sometimes saddens me to read the words of supposed active duty military officers who come across as if they are actually just some lonely divorced guy dealing with midlife crisis taking pain pills with beer and lashing out on the web. Or stuff like that.

      TEA

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  • Dave In Arizona
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:35pm

    The Marines or the Obama Administration?

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:49pm

      This is what they will do to all the “oath Keepers” on active duty. They will push them all out until they have a properly compliant military force that will not question orders and then they will move on the citizens.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:19pm

      “Oath Keepers” have a few good men–will they recruit him? Something Wrong when the USMC says a photograph of two homosexuals kissing is posted -one in Marine Corps uniform –but can’t have somebody telling the truth on their Facebook page-why that is detrimental to good order but a queered down Corps is not?

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    • momprayn
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:09pm

      All I know is I hope we do have military people who are informed about the Communist traitor we have as President — we have never had this “problem” before. What to do???? Our Reps. don’t do a thing. He has shown his disregard for the Constitution, “traditional” America, etc. — yes, don’t doubt he WILL come up with unlawful orders….then what will they do when they have been told they are not to obey those? How many will be left that will not obey??? This is a very serious problem we need to face. Too many still don’t know or want to know the “real Obama”. Many are saying they won’t vote or will vote for Obama b/c they don’t approve of our nominee. Unless they are Coimmunists, they clearly don’t know the truth.

      http://www.commieblaster.com

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    • taxwarrior
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:22pm

      You must not criticize your Leader>

      Thought control must be maintained. We have to get rid of Obama.

      We need a new Contract With America. 10 simple things. We all get to vote. “The Tea Party Plank”

      One of the 10 simple things should be:

      “Voter ID Laws”.

      You’re either with us or against us.

      Write your own we’ve got almost 200 days until the election.

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    • greatgrandma
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:35pm

      @hidden-lion…..I totally agree with you on that one….

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:48am

      @ hidden_lion

      This is what they will do to all the “oath Keepers” on active duty. They will push them all out until they have a properly compliant military force that will not question orders and then they will move on the citizens.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      This scenario works in the Oath Keepers favor. Think about it; when they come to disarm you, you’ll have the peace of mind knowing that you blasted the ones executing the illegal order and not the non-compliant ones that betrayed the Constitution.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:04am

      …meant to say DIDN’T betray the Constitution.

      The Oath Keepers are the good guys…and the good guys always win.

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  • moreteaplease
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:31pm

    Easy. All he has to do is convert to Islam. Then they’ll have to take him back…and give him a promotion.

    But, MAMMALON is right, as a member of the armed forces your speech concerning the president had to always be kept in check. This may seem new to some but then again, we have never a president like the one we currently do.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:41pm

      He will make a good Battalion Commander in the new Second US Continental Army to restore the US Constitution. We need the likes of Franks and Schwortscroft to lead us back to Liberty and Freedom.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:57pm

      Wrongo pal. Even the members of the US military are Citizens and have inalienable rights as such. Many people agree with that statement and then say that a service member coming out with derogatory or factual remarks about the President is tantamount to doing the same to your employer. Well, that is also a wrong statement because the President is not our employer, the People are. It is the People who the power is derived from and whose rights we swore to protect. That is what makes us different from communists or facists. We do not take an oath to defend a gov’t or pledge allegience to an individual. BTW, the pledge of allegience is a communist invention to get you used to the idea of being a loyal subject of a communist government.

      Sergeant Stein is being harassed and his civil RIGHTS are being taken away from him by force. Anyone else here know what happens when you piss off military members by denying citizens their rights?

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    • grimmy
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:23pm

      If i am not mistaken, and i may be,the limitation to speech is for officers only, in a case like this.

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    • zorro
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:25pm

      SGTB, you need to read up on this. No one is talking about swearing allegiance to Obama but respecting the office he holds. He is the Commander in Chief whether you like it or not. We all hate the bum but you’re wrong, brother. If you’re a service member and think you have these rights, you better watch your step because you don’t. And it’s just a matter of time before you step out of line and they discharge you. The Pentagon is doing the right thing here. I have no sympathy for this marine. He should have known better.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:52pm

      Grimmy-
      the limitations on speech applies to all service members. There are all kinds of rights that are put on hold for military members. I am sure glad I am no longer a part of the service.

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    • kevinbogard
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:59pm

      If you don‘t know you can’t talk sh*t about those who are appointed above you, keep it up, you’ll find out
      In the old Military we kept our mouths shut performed our duties and upheld the UCMJ

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:11pm

      @ Hidden Lion, Look up the UCMJ and you will find that only commissioned officers are held to that standard. It does not apply to enlisted men. Furthermore, ALL service members should be allowed to openly say that they would not follow unlawful orders. Hell, they teach us not to follow such orders in the first place. Do some research before you try to tell others what the “facts” are.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:14pm

      @ KevinBogard, and that is why the “old” Marine Corps was the center of scandal after scandal. Also, the “old” Corps was made up of conscripted washouts whose soul thought was to survive their tours of duty. Every Marine today is a volunteer and a Citizen. I am glad the old Corps has changed and we no longer have Officers beating men for airing the least bit of contention to a questionable order.

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:06am

      @ hidden_lion
      There can be no law that “limits” your rights. ALL rights are protected by the Constitution. You cannot sign nor give away your rights. The Constitution tells us exactly how we can temporarily lose our rights.
      Peace

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    • BrokenArrow1327
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 1:48am

      Well Since people keep claiming that Ex/Service members need to understand the the UCMJ and the directives involved in this. Here they are for those that speak without that knowledge first. And as far as I can tell on this Issue as it is presented in this article, the Marine in question committed no violation.

      Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
      ART. 88 – CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

      Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

      A link for the full text of DOD directive 1344.10 is below for your leisurely reading pleasure.

      http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

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    • sonnetswan
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 9:45am

      @Zorro, I‘m sure Hitler’s army felt the same pressure NOT to do the right thing.

      If this is what we’ve become, why defend it?

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    • sonnetswan
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 10:10am

      @Zorro, I’m not arguing the legal code of the military. I just didn’t know that you forfeit your right to political speech when you joined the military.

      This actually changes my opinion of our military institution. If this guy gets punished for such a small matter, what would happen if he failed to follow an order that was unconstitutional and just wrong? The pressue would be quite unsurmountable.

      A ruthless president could use our military to accomplish all sorts of autrocities.

      And so I ask, why defend this?

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 11:35am

      King O’ has never dropped Islam…the Koran states that any mooslim can lie 24/7 to all infidells without problems. He has lied to moo-chelle, his kid, his dog(only honest one in whole adm.) all the U.S.A….and has bowed-&-kissed-booties of all islamists and commies-abroad.

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 11:42am

      …at least seven:…Teddy and Theo Rosevelts, L.Johnson, J.Carter, B.Clinton, BHO.

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  • awakeandwatching
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:31pm

    Being a former Marine Sgt. I know how it is trying to serve while really not liking our current POTUS. That is why when my enlistement was up at the end of 2009 I simply did not re-enlist. He knew very well that it was against regulations to publicly speak out against the POTUS. I will give him credit for standing his ground and doing what he believed is right!

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    • 4thGenerationWarrior
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:44pm

      The Corps will out last this President, but will it be unscathed

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:45pm

      Or… do not ask for Brave Men to Serve… if you do not want them to act Bravely!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:03pm

      I too got out at the end of 2009 with a major factor in my decision to not re-enlist being the state of our Presidency. However, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL and PROTECTED to disagree with the President or even call him out on things that you think are illegal and unconstitutional. How many times were you told that you have an obligation to NOT follow an unlawful or illegal order? How many WWII, Vietnam, etc. war trials were held wherein the defendant used the fact that he was ordered to commit an act as his defense only to be told that following such an order was a breach of his oath and/or a breach of a human rights treaty and subsequently sentenced to death?

      Make no mistake, Obama will give, and has given unlawful orders. If he is re-elected, he will give even more and they will grow ever more blatent offenses. When this time comes and the prosecution starts, active duty Marines, Sailors, Airmen, and Soldiers; will not be able to claim ignorace for committing their acts of treason against the American Citizenry.

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    • zorro
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:31pm

      SGTB, in the other post, you’re talking about allegiance to Obama. Here you’re talking about unlawful orders. What exactly do you think this marine did? Did you read the charges against him? He was openly disrespecting the office of the President. He didn‘t say he wouldn’t follow “unlawful” orders. He said he wouldn’t “follow all orders.” There is a difference. What about the “Jackas” poster he had on the Facebook page? Do you not consider that disrespect? C’mon, man. You know he did something wrong. If the President were conservative and some liberal service member had this stuff on his page, you wouldn’t be defending his freedom of speech. You don’t have “freedom of speech” in the military. You have very limited freedom of speech. If you’re really a veteran, you know this.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:35pm

      How much of it is public speaking? I cannot agree that Facebook constitutes public speech. It is is a one sided conversation. While stationed in Panama I put a pencil image a friend drew of the guy that sang Peace Train -cause I liked the song and I knew the long hair would p –off some who came through.also posted copy of every letter of accommodation and or promotion -and opposite them every letter of reprimand /Article 15– I wanted it all up front.A few wanted me tossed out for it -Others saw it as I did. I can’t see much difference here. I enlisted when LBJ was President -was happy to see him go–I was honorably discharged when Ford was President – He was a good man but didn’t seem to do much. Nixon was hatred by the Democrats and they betrayed our efforts in the Republic Of —Within the ranks we talked about all of ‘em/ when it came to the attention of the Command it was a crap shoot. With the current Command structure I can understand why he was discharged. But I disagree with the reasoning ALL good men are better off accepting a discharge than if called to compromise their strongly held personal beliefs. I could NOT –would NOT serve the FRAUD Barak Hussein Obama II He is UNFIT.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:06pm

      I also left the service in ‘09, the USA seems to have lost a LOT of patriots that year…wonder what happened the year prior that spawned all this…

      Zorro, you are right that most of us wouldn’t think twice about this happening to a conservative. In fact, I wouldn’t care at all about him being discharged for saying these things about any POTUS…EXCEPT!!! Obama is a traitor and is actively trying to bring down the America we have known and loved. The true crime that could be levied against ALL service members is that they have not openly called for the removal of this communist from office and then removed him by force if needed. THAT would be true defense of this country from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC

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    • momprayn
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:59pm

      USEDCZAR — Amen and Amen !!!!!!!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:39pm

      @ Zorro, There is no law that can abridge free speech. In fact, the often cited case of yelling fire in a crowed theatre did not come about in a way you would expect. I’ll let you look into that. Furthermore, the only “law” that says a military service member can be charged with disrespecting the Commander in Chief is in the UCMJ and it applies only to COMMISSIONED Officers. A Sergeant is a NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER. There is a difference and either way, as an individual and a member of the voting citizenry, ANYONE is guaranteed their right to free political speech. Remember, it is the Soldier, not the Supreme Court that guarantees your right to burn the flag.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:46pm

      @ Zorro, you cannot simply assume that I, a Marine and Libertarian would try to silence dissent from other service members over their dislike of a Republican President. For starters, I’ve worked with plenty of Democrat Marines and we have had open debates and we all grew from them. Never have I told a Marine that he did not have the right to free speech or political dissent. You assume too much you feeble minded rat.

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  • wildturkeywatcher
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:29pm

    Suppose the commander-in-chief gave an illegal order. Would the military member be able to use that as protection for his/her actions? I don’t think so. I believe military members must NOT obey illegal orders. AND, a “less-than-honorable” discharge will limit this man’s life in many ways for the rest of his life. I do not believe it is fair by any stretch of the imagination. Obama has done worse with our tax dollars and received a whole lot less “punishment” for it. Obama should be “punished” for his refusal to honor his oath to uphold the constitution of the USA, IMO.

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    • mils
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:34pm

      he knew going in what the rules of the corps are..
      they amount to no derogatory remarks or actions against country, C/C,
      you may not like the president, but he is the CC and he has NOT asked you to do somehting illegal..
      i would never blindly follw obama, but i would also not post comments while still in the marines..

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:06pm

      @ MIls, you don’t deserve the freedom that the rest of us took an oath to defend if you are so willing to give up your right to free speech in a political forum. I’m willing to bet that you are not an Oathkeeper.

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    • zorro
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:45pm

      wildturkeywatcher, I’m not sure why the issue of “unlawful orders” keeps coming up. Yes, you are correct. A service member has an obligation to NOT follow unlawful orders. However, this has nothing to do with this particuar marine. The marine did not say he would not follow unlawful orders. He said he wouldn’t “follow all orders.” Even if you could somehow ignore this, and I’m sure a case can be made to ignore it, you can’t ignore the countless instances of disrespect to his CiC. This is not allowed, Period.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:56pm

      MILS-
      He attacked Libya, that was an unlawful order as it was not sanctioned by congress and didn’t meet the requirement of immediate defense of America. Obama’s election is not even legal, I a m sure the proof will magically appear once he is ousted. His own lawyer admitted in court that the birth certificate that was posted is fraudulent.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:24pm

      SGTB

      It is difficult to believe the USMC didn’t do a better job explaining the UCMJ to you.

      A lawful order is any order given by a superior officer except an order that would violate the UCMJ or ROE. If a subordinate believes they are given an unlawful order, the proper procedure is to formally complain up the chain of command.

      DOD has provided regulations on how uniformed members of the military service may properly exercise their civil right to vote and support a political party.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 12:49pm

      @Dismayed Veteran, You do realize that the UCMJ was created in 1950 and enacted in 1951 right. It is not the end all be all of what orders are legal. In fact, it has little to say about what orders are legal or the legal basis for such a judgement. It relies heavily on the Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and the American Judicial system for that. You might be dismayed, but you are more ignorant.

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  • crazyoz
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:29pm

    As an Army Vet, I always new the Marines were WIMPS!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:40pm

      Officers are Officers… the Marine was/is Brave!

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    • LongRange
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:46pm

      new? or knew?

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:20pm

      Not so fast. The Army just canceled an appearance by Ted Nugent because he criticized the President at the NRA convention.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:24pm

    should read, WITHOUT rules there is anarchy.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:32pm

      Without Thinking… there are Zombies & Robots!

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:22pm

      At what point do the rules become oppression?

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:09pm

      @ My Two Cents

      I would say… Too late.

      A police state is one in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
      The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement. Political control may be exerted by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:23pm

    the rules are the rules,like them are not, i want to sympathize with sgt.stein, because the same people who discharged him and themselves not abiding by the rules, they have incaged in several wars without congress approval, but yet they went on and killed innocent people ,so who is the ones who should be discharged and hung for treason, the same people who discharged the sgt.stein, sgt stein knew the rules and should follow them, even though his leaders don’t,also the same bunch of liberals who are behind his discharge are being used to further the lefts agenda of teaching young kids that they don’t have to listen to their parents are follow the rules, but yet they discharge sgt,stein for speaking his mind,again ,i want to sympathize,but with rules there is anarchy.

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  • Stryker
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:22pm

    You take an oath in the military to defend the Constitution of the United States from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. Just sayin’

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    • SgtB
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:07pm

      I struggle with that one everyday. Man it was tough when Obama came to my state. No one here wants to volunteer to be a martyr to start the offensive though.

      SgtB  
    • Grannie4news
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:17pm

      As far as I am concerned he is a Patriot and very honorable. May God Bless him.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:21pm

    I challenge the Honor of the Courts Martial Board… to Support & Honor the Constitution! Rather, their Loyalty is to an Individual who serves as President! Boo; Hiss!

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:17pm

      He wasn’t put before a Courts Martial, he was given the discharge by an Administrative board.

      Big difference. If a Courts Martial finds you guilty, it would be a Federal Conviction. He is being discharged.

      I really wish people would learn about their Military before trying to make any quasi-educated comments.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:40pm

      @PPM…
      Six of one… Half a Dozen of Another: They Judged his Actions… rendered a verdict of Guilty… and Discharged him… under the same Military Authority. You must… be/were… an Administrative Officer.

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    • PatientPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 6:03pm

      It’s called the UCMJ. Google it since you talk of laws and the Constitution. I am always amazed the over 80% whom talk about the service and have never served. Until you have pulled a line, manned a post, and reported to watch captain, then sit done and be quiet (US Navy vet 86-90)

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:09pm

      No dipwad, I worked for a living….

      So far, you’ve been 100% wrong on everything related to the Military. Good job!

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  • Master.Debater
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:13pm

    Obama deserves to be criticized and ridiculed. However, the President IS the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and there exists a direct Chain of Command between him and the Sgt. Take your feelings about the Great Leader out of the equation for a moment and consider whether you still think it’s a good idea to have subordinates criticizing their commanders on Facebook or any other social media?

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:23pm

      And… Adolph Hitler was the Leader of Germany!

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    • jcizarter
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 9:51pm

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Zelaya
      the TOTUS was furious when the Hondurans removed their President from office in the middle of the night, he was wearing his Pajamas when the military knocked on his door and escorted him across the border into Costa Rica and left him there. Obama went insane. Zelaya was trying to change the Constitution and the people would not stand for it. Obama withdrew our their diplomats from the US and he stopped sending Honduras millions of dollars. I watched this story when it was unfolding and watched what Obama had to say. It was very telling.

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  • kk10288n
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:10pm

    This is probably one of the stupidest things I have heard of…If the soldier put a disclaimer on it, then he was acting as a citizen, not a marine…Why is our country hurting respected the men who protect and serve in now?

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:15pm

      So if a cop posts in the Internet “I think it‘s okay to plant evidence on blacks because they’re all up to something anyway”, but with the disclaimer that he is saying this as a citizen and not as a cop, you would be fine with that? What am I saying, you’re a Blaze poster, of course you’d be fine with it.

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:26pm

      Not a Soldier; A Marine!!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:36pm

      @PPM…
      Six of one… Half a Dozen of Another!

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:09pm

      Really? Call a Soldier a Marine or better yet, bow up to a Jar Head and call him a Soldier or a Sailor, or an Airman.

      Bit of advise, DUCK quickly!!

      I love it when people comment on the Military Services and don’t really know anything about them…

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:34pm

      @PPM….
      A Navy Officer called the Marine Corps… M.C… Malicious Children! In history… the Navy required Soldiers to fight on Ships… and the British started calling these Soldiers as Marines… but all the back to Ancient Greece, they were just Soldiers!

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:42pm

      @LUKERW

      Um, we’re Americans! It’s great that you learned all that ancient history. Really it is. Learn ours!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:07pm

      @PPM…
      The Founders were Citizens of England… George Washington a British Major… and the Founders simply translated the British Military System into the America System… in the American Revolution.

      What is your Problem? No one holds a patent upon knowledge!

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:09pm

    while I am no obama fan, rules are rules in the military, they just have no purpose and sanity anymore. you are violating moral codes by cheating on a spouse but sodomy is now ok but speaking out against it or the one creating the new insanity in america? nope not ok either.

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:13pm

      amen

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    • commonsenseguy
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:15pm

      true that..

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:18pm

      Just curious, why do you care about other people’s sexual behaviors? We don’t need to expand government any more, let alone to people’s bedrooms.

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:28pm

      @ THEMACHINIST239

      Yep, “keep the Democrats out of my wallet and keep the Republicans out of my bedroom”

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:30pm

      @themachinist239

      It’s called hypocrisy. “The government shouldn’t tell people what to do, but they should be able to tell gays they can’t get married!“ ”The government shouldn’t get between the patient and the doctor, but they should be able to MANDATE that doctors LIE to patients and tell them that abortion causes cancer!”

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:40pm

      Yes Bill Clinton was prosecuting soldiers for extramarital affairs all the while he was boinking a intern.

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    • Maxim Crux
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:47pm

      No soldier, marine, airman or sailor has to follow an unlawful order. In fact, they have sworn to oppose any and all unlawful orders. Unlawful meaning against the constitution. A soldier in the US military does not have to follow orders from NATO commanders acting in that role. They do not have to wear that stupid blue helmet that makes a perfect target, and they are permitted to free speech under the same law that they have sworn to protect. More military need to take the time to read and fully engage the constitution and make sure they understand it before they decide to stand in front of a hail of bullets because some jackass president who does not believe in it sends you to their grave.

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    • yougottabekidding
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:48pm

      themachinist239

      But making it compulsory for elementry school is ok.
      What an idiot!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:55pm

      Check the… Nuremberg War Crimes Trials: Illegal Orders and Commands are not to be obeyed! He was… within his Constitutional Rights… or Not! The Military is not an Independant Nation!

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:22pm

      @ MAXIM CRUX Where do you get your information? Here’s the oath:

      I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:01pm

      Machinist-
      UCMJ has been around a long time, sodomy has always been punishable under that law, the same as adultry. No expansion of government, just more rules the military are required to follow, but ignore, while busting this guy for speech.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:06pm

      Crux-
      “A soldier in the US military does not have to follow orders from NATO commanders acting in that role. They do not have to wear that stupid blue helmet that makes a perfect target,”
      BS- My friend was discharged for refusing to wear that stupid blue helmet in Bosnia. You are required to follow lawful orders of anybody appointed above you, which include NATO officers and NCO’s. I know several who were discharged for refusing the Anthrax immunization.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:53pm

      Vance – Since when is not allowing same sex marriage butting into the bedroom? If that’s the case, then the government is butting in when it comes to polygamy and incest marriage being forbidden, LOL.

      If anybody is a hypocrite, it’s you. You claim you don’t want the government to legislate morality yet you support anti-discrimination laws, hate crime laws, hate speech laws, etc.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:59pm

      Themachinist – Why is it any of your business who other people choose to be tolerant of? I live in a free country where I’m not FORCED to be tolerant and accepting of everyone and I want to keep it that way.

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  • catholicschoolmom
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:09pm

    The freedom of speech is only a right for the leftists, perverts, and athiests under this evil dictator president.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:18pm

      How many priests have been caught molesting children where you live? Just curious.

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    • PPMStudios
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:38pm

      @ VanceUppercut

      What an ignorant thing to say…

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:06pm

      catholic mom you got that right. it’s only ok to have free speech if the lefties like what is being said

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    • zorro
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:41pm

      A priest must have touched you funny for you to be so pissed off at the church, VanceUppercut. Either that or Mommy and Daddy were Catholics and beat your a## on a regular basis. Either way, you grew up to be an ignorant a##hole.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:50pm

      Vanceuppercut – There have been more public school teachers per capita molesting children than Catholic priests, you anti-Christian bigot.

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    • catholicschoolmom
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 3:00pm

      none ever

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  • themachinist239
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:09pm

    There’s nothing illegal about his discharge. Agreeing or disagreeing with what he said is irrelevant. Expressing political views is something made very clear to service members that it’s against the rules while in uniform or while representing yourself as a soldier/marine. This is part of our military’s heritage and traditions. You‘re all so quick to forget this in order to get a shot in at Obama as if these rules weren’t effective (and enforced) under every previous administration. Crawl out from your partisan rocks.

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    • Nevermind
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:15pm

      Problem seems to be alot of Nugent like couch rambo’s on this site that have never served. I am a “ lib” that served and know the rules of the UCMJ. If you odnt know anything about the military and havent served keep your stupid opinion to yourself. Not everything is Obamas fault but since you are all partisan hacks you cant understand that.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:41pm

      NEVERMIND your turd in white house is still blaming Bush. Tell me, when does he become the president?

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 4:26pm

      “Your turd in the whitehouse” wow…

      This is how a high strung conservative comments on The Blaze:
      1. See comment that challenges or refutes view of the site/article.
      2. Assume that because they disagree with said topic, they must be an evil slimy liberal who encompasses everything you hate.
      3. Start rapidly typing assumptions based on their one comment.

      Seriously, when you don‘t refute what I’m saying, you just look angry. And dumb.

      btw I’m not a dem nor have I ever voted for Obama. U mad bro?

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  • nysteve
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:08pm

    Unfortunately our leaders in the military are becoming the sheep. Where have all the shepherds gone?

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    • shimauma
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:58pm

      they all got scared when the General at West Point got canned for calling clinton a pot smoking draft dodger. Leftwing leaders seem to have a knack for getting rid of principled leadership.

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  • Nevermind
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:07pm

    HKS
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:54pm
    Looks like a patriot to me, is that illegal? I guess it is in Obama’s (da Fuhrer’s) administration..

    ******************

    Anyone who has served knows that you dont have freedom of speech in the military and that speaking ill of your commander in chief is a violation. Go post that your boss is an ******* and you want to punch him in the face on facebook and see if you dont get canned.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:25pm

      @Nevermind

      Damn, every time I see your name I feel like putting on a Nirvana CD. Yeah, I still listen to CD’s, I’m old and everything scares me!!!

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:54pm

      Vance – Yet I‘ll bet you’re paranoid that your precious entitlement programs will be cut and you‘ll be out on the streets if they’re cut.

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  • Lloyd Drako
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:06pm

    What is his “medical condition?” Acute stupidity? He is a Marine and ought to know better than publicly to insult the C-in-C.

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    • PatientPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 5:59pm

      I agree. As a veteran (US Navy 86-90), he knew when he posted, said, wrote, or any way communicated his beliefs especially negative, then he violated the oath he took. The Law and the rights in the US Constitution are not the same the ones in the Military are to follow. It’s called the UCMJ and “google” it for those that don’t know what that means.

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 10:58pm

      @ Lloyd Drako & PatientPatriot
      Sorry, you two. The UCMJ does not trump the Constitution. A person cannot “sign” or “give” away their rights. Although, we as Soldiers, or Marines, or Sailors, or Airmen, must follow a certain code of conduct, we are in no way obligated, or forced to surrender our rights LEGALLY. The Constitution clearly states how the rights of a citizen of this country can have their rights SUSPENDED.
      Peace

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    • zorro
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 10:04am

      Jedi, you clearly have never served in the military.

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    • JediPatriot
      Posted on April 26, 2012 at 10:17am

      @ zorro
      I served in the 4th Brigade Combat team, 2nd Infantry Division. I was deployed overseas twice. I was discharged honorably. So… Clearly I HAVE served in the military.
      Peace

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  • GatorSkin
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:05pm

    At least Oblamer is not your boss anymore, something good did come from this!!!

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  • hauschild
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:04pm

    And, this would be the first wave of the modern-day Brown Shirts.

    Congrats, guys. You’re really made our country safer by deep-sixing one of the few men in this country that has a set.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:20pm

      They deep-sixed a Marine who openly said that he would refuse orders given by his Commander-in-Chief.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:14pm

      Yes, but what about the “type” of order that would potentially be refused? And, did this Marine explicitly refuse a particular order? If so, which?

      Soldiers have the right to refuse any order if it violates the very essence of their being. If you want a bunch of candy asses protecting you with no ability to reason and think independently, then you probably swing left of center.

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  • catholicschoolmom
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:02pm

    The freedom of speech is only a right for the leftists, perverts, and athiests.

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  • Daniel
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:01pm

    War is coming, unfortunately it is coming from within. How sad. O’Bama: YOU LIE!

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  • NoMarxist
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:59pm

    Marines who fight and die for our right to free speech aren’t allowed to exercise that right in Obamunist America.

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:06pm

      Um, they’ve never been able to criticize the president. It’s in their contract and has been WAY before Obama. Anyone who’s been in the military will tell you that.

      Not everything is Obamas fault, people.

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    • SERE22
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:20pm

      His original post was that he would not follow any UNlawful orders given to him. He also stated that he wouldn’t do anything he believed would take away the constitutional rights of citizens. I don’t feel so bad for him. I’m sure there are many people lining up to give this man a job.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:27pm

      @SERE22
      “I’m sure there are many people lining up to give this man a job.”

      I‘ll give him a job cleaning up my dog’s crap.

       
    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 7:55pm

      Vance – Since when do you Marxists have any money to begin with? LOL

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:59pm

    From the looks of what is going on at the supreme court in recent days, this administration is totally illegal in everything they do, we need someone in jail here.

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    • shimauma
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:54pm

      preferably Levinworth, I could totally see barry hussien obama getting perpwalked to a police cruiser and his subsequent trial for fraud putting him in Levinworth for 15-20, clipping the grass with a pair of safety scissors and folding his t-shirt into 6 inch squares. And when they release him, he ends up in a dirty alleyway on the bad end of Chicago(as if there was a ‘good’ end) pushing a grocery cart that has a bad wheel full of aluminum cans, asking passerby’s for “tree fiddy” because he has to feed his paint huffing addiction.

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    • taxwarrior
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 8:27pm

      Shimauma

      And how do you think your glorious prose was received by those that read it. And how many do you imagine did find this gem amongst the dross.

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 25, 2012 at 2:54pm

    Looks like a patriot to me, is that illegal? I guess it is in Obama’s (da Fuhrer’s) administration..

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:18pm

      A patriot is someone who brags that they will not follow orders from their Commander-in-Chief?

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    • MetalPatriot
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 3:39pm

      @Vance

      Yes…sometimes. Declaration of Independance. The king was essentially Commander in Chief. That’s just my take on the subject. Could be wrong.

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    • alivelyundertaker
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:01pm

      @Vanceupperjerk….dude….at what freaking point tell me please, when your so called commander in chief is a marxist/socialist trying hell-bent to shred our beloved Constitution of the United States and fundamentally transform everything our Founding Fathers set forth for freedom do you/are you able to stand up a decry FOUL??!!! You are an idiot. At some point, ALL our military will have to take a stand if this crap keeps going as it is…everybody knows that.

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    • HKS
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 4:27pm

      @ Vance, Yes I think the founders did just that. Thank you very much.

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on April 25, 2012 at 11:45pm

      I would call this a “Honorable discharge”.

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