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Marines Get Training on Accepting Gay Recruits

SAN DIEGO (AP) — If a Marine spots two men in his battalion kissing off-duty at a shopping mall, he should react as if he were seeing a man and woman. If he turns on the television news to see a fellow Marine dressed as a civilian and marching in a parade with a banner that reads, “Support Gays and Lesbians in the Military!” he should accept it as a free right of expression.

Prescriptions for those possible scenarios are being played out at Marine bases as the military prepares to allow gays to openly serve, ending a 17-year-old policy commonly known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Training for the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines began early this year and is expected to finish by summer’s end. The repeal goes into effect 60 days after the president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that lifting the ban won‘t hurt the military’s ability to fight.

“These changes are about policy,” states briefing material for Marine instructors. “The policy is about adherence to orders and behavior, and not about beliefs.”

The latest round of training material asks Marines to consider their reactions to a wide range of scenarios, from seeing a member “hanging around” a gay bar to hearing locker-room jokes from others who refuse to shower in front of gays. Members of the 1st Marine Logistics Group report to class Thursday at Camp Pendleton.

There is nothing wrong with “hanging around” a gay bar, the materials state. The officer who witnesses the loud locker-room banter aimed at gays and lesbians should remind the Marines any discrimination or harassment is inappropriate.

For those who oppose the new policy, the Marine Corps says it doesn’t expect anyone to change their personal beliefs. Still, everyone must follow orders.

“You remain obligated to follow orders that involve interaction with others who are gay or lesbian, even if an unwillingness to do so is based on strong, sincerely held moral or religious beliefs,” the training material states.

A top-notch recruiter who opposes the new policy cannot refuse a promising applicant on grounds of sexual orientation but might be considered for another assignment and, at the discretion of the Navy secretary, may be granted early discharge.

Chaplains who preach at base chapels that homosexuality is a sin are entitled to express their religious beliefs during worship.

The Marines expect to finish training on the new policy by June 1, Gen. James Amos, the Marine Corps commandant, testified in Congress earlier this month.

Amos testified last year that permitting gays to openly serve could disrupt smaller combat units and distract leaders from preparing for battle. When he appeared this month before the House Armed Services Committee, he said he had been looking for problems that might arise under the new policy and hadn’t found any “recalcitrant pushback.”

“There has not been the anxiety over it from the forces in the field,” he said.

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  • JEANNIEMAC
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:27am

    This is why the leftist radicals have eliminated God in our schools. They are intent on downgrading our nation into a hedonistic, immoral country. Persons of the same sex cannot mate or reproduce. They implies they are not intended to exist as such. To force people to accept what they know is evil, is evil in itself.

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    • caitthegreat
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:43pm

      yeah, that’s why when they desegregated the army the apocalypse descended upon our country. don’t wanna risk being “unequally yoked,” am i right?

      also, my sister cannot have children. yet, she’s still married to my brother-in-law. but they cannot reproduce. are they not intended to exist as man and wife?

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    • DYNA
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 12:59am

      Caitthegreat,
      Liberals promote and believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution, and at the same time accept homosexuality as being normal. In the natural, wouldn’t the genetic propensity for someone being a **** have diminished and ceased with time as it could not propagate itself?

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    • DYNA
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 1:05am

      Caitthegreat,
      Liberals promote and believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution, and at the same time accept homosexuality as being normal. In the natural, wouldn’t the genetic propensity for someone being a homosexual have diminished and ceased with time as it could not propagate itself?

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  • Islesfordian
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:24am

    The destruction of the greatest armed forces on earth ramps up to the final phase.

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    • JoeyBagaDonuts
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:41am

      Replace the word “training with BRAIN-WASHING. It‘s not even about gay rights it’s about destroying our military then follows the final destruction of America from an outside force.

      Our dumb-ass fellow citizens elected the enemy.

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  • POIPNE
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:23am

    I find the mental image of someone wearing combat boots with a skirt totally repulsive!

    USAF (Ret)

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:22am

    They should keep their filthy, vial and immoral life style in the closet where it belongs and not rub it in our faces.

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  • ZAP
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:21am

    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:26pm

      The day is coming soon when that will be considered “hate speech”. If I would have said that 20 years ago, it would have been unthinkable. Now? You can see it coming.

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:20am

    If I was a Marine, I’d say “Give me my honorable discharge. I quit.” Who could put their life on the line for any of these nut jobs? It’s not worth it.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:28am

      Says a person who has never served. If you would QUIT over something like this, you have no heart and don’t deserve to be a solder or marine. Or an airman or seaman. I’d give you a less than honorable discharge because you did not complete your obligation. Homosexuals are people to and there are some that have more heart, more guts and more patriotism then you will ever have.

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  • Leperus
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:19am

    I think the keyword here is “off-duty”. The sexy time of others is NOYB. *none of your business
    Also, to those that are all “UGG GAY KISSES IN PUBLIC”. As long as you are equally “UGG STRAIGHT KISSES IN PUBLIC”, just go on about your business.

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  • StrinaM
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:19am

    Navy got the same training… It was fun to watch my CO try and stop himself from cringing at some of these scenarios. It was also an hour of my life I cannot get back.

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  • ChiefGeorge
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:17am

    You will now feel compelled to squelch any dissent or harse talk about these people or find yourself tossed in with them at the court martial because he did nothing.

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  • trooper
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:17am

    Gay’s openly serving in the Marines, that should go over well, next we’ll have openly gay politicians and a closet homosexual in the white house, were doomed as a society when that day comes.

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    • Baikonur
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:35pm

      @trooper
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:17am
      ‘…next we’ll have openly gay politicians’
      *******
      We already do. BTW, an openly gay man is running for President, I believe. A Libertarian.

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    • semihardrock
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:02pm

      too late for that

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    • Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 3:04pm

      That gay presidential candidate is a Republican! Fred Karger actually made history by being the first 2012 GOP candidate to announce, or, “come out” as an opponent to our duly elected President Obama.
      It is claimed that Mr. Karger is the first openly gay Republican ever to run for president.

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  • stopthespending
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:13am

    When are we going to start standing up for the truth, and doing what is RIGHT.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:12am

    Military personnel decisions should be made based on what strengthens the military, not what makes liberals feel good about themselves.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 5:56pm

      Allowing more men to be in the military increases the manpower, and strengthens it.

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  • Malcom0983
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:11am

    Gross. If the military wasn’t becoming so sissified, I would stay in. In 10 or 15 years, there will be a handful of trained killers and the rest will be a bunch of lady-boys wearing half shirts, braiding each others hair and and turds on skateboards in skinny jeans with ipods on. THAT will be the end of America.

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  • Bum thrower
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:10am

    Since recruiting will suffer, are will the draft come back? If so, I’d be a CO and refuse to serve with perverts; against my religious beliefs; Or, put them in separtate units…..

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:21am

      So gays are automatically perverts now?

      Have you ever been around a group of heterosexuals? Have you ever went out with a bunch of buddies for some drinks?

      Everyone is capable of being a pervert, including you. So why don’t you get off that high horse of yours buddy. If you were to make that order of not accepting perverts into your company (as a company commander) you’d have NO ONE in under your command.

      I can tell you stories all day on how perverted some of the guys in my unit was. How’s this, gang banging girls in the barracks every night of the week. That‘s heterosexual fun in all it’s glory. Everheard of the company tshirt rules? Give a girl a company T shirt if they’ve had sex with three people from that company. A sweater if they bang six. At 10 they get a barret.

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    • Bullcop34
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:25pm

      @soldier. Did you mean barret? WTF is that? You mean beret possibly? You being in the Army and all disciplined and warrior like, serving in battles etc. but forgot how to spell beret? Makes me wonder about what you really are. I knew how to spell that word ever since watching John Wayne, and I doubt he liked queers. Sounds like you held on to it until the swelling went down.

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    • Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 2:58pm

      Separated sounds authentic, and has not lowered himself to call names.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 5:55pm

      Well said, soldier

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  • GoingBeck
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:09am

    Make Soap on a Rope standard issue for all heteros.

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  • riseandshine
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:03am

    The left…everything the left advocates is rotten to the core

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  • CloudNine
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:00am

    Looking forward to how this all plays out. I don’t think it will be pretty!

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  • MYoungblood85
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:55am

    Totally disgusting and makes me want to puke. May God have mercy on this nation when Sodomites write the laws of the land and try to make us accept their wicked ways….

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  • bandi9
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:51am

    so does that mean “dont vomit where anyone can see you”?

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  • nosycophant
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:49am

    Coming soon.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI

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  • Vickie Dhaene
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:48am

    Just wait!! Transgenders are next to be “Accepted”. I personally will never accept this perversion. It is against the Laws of Nature and The Bible. Rome fell with the likes of Caligula and His sister.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:14am

      Rome fell 400 years after Caligula,and the emperors who presided over its fall were Christians.

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:35am

      You can get around this by not enlisting. It’s that easy.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:40pm

      Actually, whether you say it’s causation or correlation, every major civilization that embraced or practiced homosexuality from Greek city states, to Rome, to the Maya (who started out very anti-homosexual), to the Ottomans pretty much were or went into decline. The question is whether it’s a symptom such decline or a cause.

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:46pm

      Every single country ever? Really? That just seems like huge overstatement.

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:57pm

      Oh, well, there you go then. Mystery solved.

      Huh whaaaaaaaat?????????????

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    • foobear
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 4:11pm

      @Mandors, As noted above, Rome fell after becoming Christian. In fact, a lot of the pagans at the time blamed the “decline of values” on the Christians! St. Augustine answered these claims in his great City of God.

      But people like Gibbons (who was anti-Catholic) agreed with the ancient pagans in his Rise and Fall.

      Also, it’s important to note that the Vandals and several other barbarian groups that sacked Rome were actually Christians.

      I think the problem didn’t have much to do with the Christianity of the Romans, per se, but rather the changes in population, society and class that made the Roman system self-destruct.

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  • neverending
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:47am

    What a better way to destroy the military then this. This is just downright sickening.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:14am

      So this whole time up until now, not a single gay or lesbian person has ever fought in this war on terror? Not a single gay man has ever put on the uniform, loaded up his gear and weapon, marched out into cowboy country and risk his life?

      In my last unit, there was this guy. He was a cheerleader in college. Did it not for the girls but because he loved cheerleading.He also loved Twilight. We made fun of him a lot. He never admitted to being gay, but it was obvious. No matter how much crap we gave him, he still put on that uniform and he still had my back outside the wire. He was the gunner for my truck for several months on my last deployment and he saved our asses more than once during a handful of TICs. As gay as he may have acted or could have been, he never hit on me or anyone else. He conducted himself professionally and served his country with pride and honor.

      He had my back when TSHTF and I’m damn proud to call him a brother. More than I could ever say to the petty commenters on this website.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:54am

      @neverending

      You really think this will destroy the US military? When Clinton was signing DADT, Canada was stopped worrying about it and gays and lesbians serve openly. Didn’t have a negative impact on the Canadian forces, why would it on the US forces?

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:08pm

      I don’t care what you do on your time. Makes no difference to me. But, when you start to make special training for things like this where does it end? Do we now have to do it for every religious viewpoint? How about Wiccan awareness training?

      The point isn’t about gays serving. I think they should if they want to. The issue is the slippery slope we head down when we start accomodating, specializing and focusing on differences rather than similarities…like us all being green.

      When the military goes PC, I question the future decision making ability for the very difficult decisions that will need to be made to win conflicts.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:31pm

      Destroying the current military culture is the goal. You cannot have a successful overthrow of the government with a blood and guts voluntary military to stop it. There is a big difference between serving silently and openly. Silently is like AS’ situation. Openly is an agenda, and you can’t have cohesion with an agenda.

      I’m sure that SOME homosexuals wish to serve their country, but I’m just as sure that many of them like being surrounded by young, fit men with whom they get naked with on a regular basis. Have some common sense.

      If and when I get that towel boy job at the Playboy mansion, it’s not going to be because I like terry cloth.

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    • rose-ellen
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 5:20pm

      As long as we’re in these unjust wars against the people of Iraq,Afghanistan .Pakistan[we're committing mass murder and torture againt the people of the countries] I hope the whole openly gay in the military thing causes nothing but problems.My solidarity is with the victim [I don't care how primitive their culture or religious beliefs are] of American agression.

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  • TexasCommonSense
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:44am

    Glad to have served, but glad to be out.

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  • LARR
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:40am

    I’d sure hate to be in the sensitivity class and have to take part in the role-playing..

    CTRC USN (Ret)

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:48am

      The few, the proud, the PC

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:03pm

      Can you imagine this kind of “training” going on during WW2?

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 3:20pm

      PFC Retired. I know the cook was gay when I was in, all others hid it. They were brothers at arms against the perceived enemy. Germany 1964-5-6, we were at war with the civilians, you know Bar Fights, only action I saw!!!

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  • texasfarmer
    Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:39am

    Yea, right. How about if they are buying a skirt?

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    • LARR
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:44am

      Depends on if it is a uniform skirt or not….

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    • Ironmaan
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:46am

      I guess this means they’ll be wearing that pink camo.
      http://guerillatics.com

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    • Revere1
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:47am

      Didn‘t the libs say that changing the rules wouldn’t have any effect on anyone else? That anyone who disagreed just hated gays? Hmmm… http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/04/gay-marriage-explained.html

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    • Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:51am

      Grow Up!

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:52am

      It’s going to be a disaster

      CPL USMC

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    • Gold Coin & Economic News
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:56am

      Nice to know our great social experiment that is an utter FAILURE is being foisted on our military. Heaven help us.

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:57am

      “There has not been the anxiety over it from the forces in the field,” he said.

      As a former Marine, I find this statement total bull. I’m glad to have served when I did. I don’t believe this will do the military any good, just my personal opinions.

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    • Ironmaan
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:59am

      My gun barrel is longer than your gun barell.
      http://guerillatics.com

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    • chirodoc007
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:59am

      How much is this costing?

      Could this be why Superman is renouncing his citizenship?

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:00am

      I can’t get past putting two sexes in the same dorm under military conditions with common bathrooms and showers. It never worked with men and women, and it won’t work with men and gays. How can that lonely wife at home with the kids that is waiting for her hubby to come home, feel about all this?

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:01am

      Pink Camo? Military regulations for wear of uniform will remain the same, so why not act like a grown adult rather than an eight grader gossiping on the playground.

      My buddies who are still in the 101st ABN just went through similar classes about two weeks back.

      Remember, there’s always prejudices in society and in the Military. Racist still join and have to fight along side of, and rely on, blacks. They have to suck it up and follow orders. This isn’t any different. Gay or not, if the man is willing to put his life on the line and fight along side a fellow American, who cares what their sexual preference is?

      The homosexual who is willing to risk his life for a country who mostly despises his existence is one hell of an American. I would be proud to call him a brother (or sister) at arms. They’ve done more than the majority of Blaze commenter.

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    • Creestof
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:09am

      Will “cover me” take on a whole new meaning?

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    • jeffyfreezone
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:09am

      Any training that doesn’t improve their ability to fight or survive is a waste of time and money.

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    • hauschild
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:20am

      Can’t wait to discover the “unintended consequences” that always arise out of foolish, progressive policies.

      Tinker….tinker…tinker…..liberals just can’t leave well enough alone.

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    • theonefromabove
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:24am

      What a waste of the military budget.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:26am

      Sickening, welcome to modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, time to take a stand. Semper Fidelis.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:30am

      I still find it astonishing that a group of individuals that hammer on and on about individual freedoms and “keeping government out of our lives!” put on their hypocrite hats when it comes to homosexuality.

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    • Ken
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:32am

      @American Soldier: So why aren’t you still serving, if you think that gays turning the military into a “Bird Cage” movie is soooo amusing??? If you’ve ever read the Bible, read Romans 1:20-32, and tell me if you still think that good order and discipline will prevail? Still amused? Then you don’t deserve to be called a soldier in my book!!!

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:34am

      I’m a Marine as well, but I honestly have no problem with Gays and Lesbians in the Military. Most of the problems come from the higher ups more than the younger service members. Same with parents having most of the problems with school changes… but I digress.

      If I were to be put with a gay roommate, then I let him know that I am not that way, and since sex isn’t allowed in the barracks anyways there is nothing to discuss there. It’s people being close-minded to these people that is the real problem. Allowing women to serve with the men was going to be the downfall of the military. As well as desegregating the military. This is just the next step. And if you say “I don’t want them watching my back because they might be staring at my butt” or anything like that you are too stupid to serve.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:43am

      Here‘s an idea all those in the military who are opposed to gays just don’t resign and start a militia designed to protect the nations borders and protect the constitution from the enemy that has been allowed to fostered under Constitutional protection . Let‘s see how long the military stands and how well they’ll defend the nation with 100% gay soldiers. Start a militia which does what the Constitution intented defend the nation not fight other countries wars.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 11:43am

      forced to take 12hrs of flower arranging classes

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    • Showtime
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:01pm

      @Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 10:51am
      Grow Up!
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~
      The dogs? Or the Farmer?
      I can’t wait to see what the rest of the world is going to have to say about our “gay military!” Personally, I think it is an in-your-face policy, just like Obama told the union people to be in their protests against conservatives.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:01pm

      @KEN Because I’m tired of war. I was tired of disappearing from my family’s life for a year at a time. I was tired of seeing friends being killed, friends being hurt. I was tired of having to risk my life for a war I no longer believed in. I was tired of going outside the wire, wondering if I’ll make it back to base so i can see a photo of my little girl who was growing up without me. I was tired of coming home to have my little girl not even know who I was, to hide behind her mother as I approached her to give her a big hug and kiss to see terror in her eyes as though some random stranger was trying to kidnap her. I’m tired of all the money we spend on the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and now Lybia and who knows what other countries we participate on some level. I’m tired of going to funerals of 20 something year olds and fathers, whose young children I see crying because even they know they’ll never see their father again. I was tired of everything the war has become. I’m tired of standing there at remembrance ceremonies, pretending to be strong and in control of my feelings but wanting to just open the flood gates of tears for my fallen brothers. I’m sick and tired of it all. Some days I wish I could regain my innocents of war and death. Some days I envy those that don’t have these memories.

      So I really don’t need you to make assumptions or judgement calls on why I decided not to re-enlist.

      There are so many more reasons I got out. Homosexuals serving openly is the last thing on my mind.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:02pm

      @American Soldier (Separated)

      Personally, I find it amazing that you apparently made it all the way through you military career and didn’t understand that service men & women are at all times held at a different, higher standards than the civilian population at large.

      Hello, PFT’s, height & weight standards, hair length requirements, uniform and civilian dress codes, “off limits” areas off base, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum!

      This BS “open service” policy is no difference, whatsoever.

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:04pm

      Will the gay troops receive training on accepting straight recruits?

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:10pm

      If I were in the military and a gay person made a pass at me he would have his lights knocked out. This type of behavor is just wrong. GOD did not make gay BULLS!!!

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    • conversationcanwork
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:19pm

      Oh BANJARMON, always the one to bring a healthy dose of reason to any argument. I like how a lot of the assumptions about gays involve them wanting to have sex with you or groping you in some way. I’m going to be blunt, they probably don’t. Get over yourself.

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    • sooner12
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:31pm

      My son is a Marine and he has said that there has already been instances of backlashes by those being “trained.” This is not good for the military services. Just wait, there will be an increase in “hate” crimes once this stupidity is implemented. I was a Navy corpsman attached to the Marines 40 years ago and I’ve seen things that boggle the mind. When payday comes and these guys go out drinking and see two guys kissing all hell will break loose. If in combat watch what happens. I can see that some airman, soldier, sailor or Marine will complain that he or she was given a mission or duty because he or she is gay. I see no good coming from this.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:31pm

      @LEFTFIGHTER What does that matter when it comes to homosexuals openly serving? They will be expected to serve as any other would serve. With courage and professionalism. Sexual assault and sexual misconduct can happen with heterosexual, in fact I think it’s rampant. Everyone talks about wasting time on so many briefs and training events, I lost count of how many safety briefs, safety days, drinking and driving, suicide awareness, sexual assault, don’t use spice/k2, don’t do this, don’t do that…..

      What someone’s sexual preference in their off time is their business. If they act unprofessionally while on the clock, wearing the uniform, there’s a problem. The same problem that would happen if it were a heterosexual man making unwanted advances to a heterosexual woman. New policy in regard to this behavior isn’t needed, it already exist.

      Act appropriately during work, i don’t care who you have sex with afterwards.

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    • six6six
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:31pm

      I suppose the dead solders who happen to be gay didn’t die for their country. Nice sentiment people.

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    • caitthegreat
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:36pm

      @americansoldier

      i was so very impressed by your words. a brave american is a brave american, no matter what their sexual orientation. i think it’s despicable that anyone should feel it is their right to be protected by a military where only straight soldiers can admit who they love. i surely hope more military and ex-military take a similar perspective as you. our world would be a better place.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:39pm

      @ american soldier

      you’re tired of war??? Tired of it??

      how about my buddies who are in eternal rest. you piece of s@#$. I would gladly go back over and over if it meant i could help. I served back to back tours in 04 and 05. Now i’m a family man who works for the DAV. you should have just gone to college with all the other draft dodgers cause you got tired of war. a warrior thirives from battle, but apparently it makes you sleepy and homesick.

      RIP Jim Miller, amazing person and great friend. Killed in 05

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    • dwh320
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:42pm

      Four words Marines hate to hear “We’re out of ammo“ will be replaced in the fox holes with ”We’re out of condoms”

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 12:42pm

      I know of no one who has not had a gay make a pass at them. A gay making a pass in a military common shower is tantamount to asking for a real fight. I guess they will just have to make up the next day when they are facing the enemy with live ammo.

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    • Bullcop34
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:04pm

      So are they going to reeducate gays about how to handle the jeers and tell them that it is just free expression? Are they going to allow men and women to bunk in the same building or shower together? What about my rights as a straight guy to shower with women? Gays to to stare at my junk so why in the hell am I being discriminated against by not being allowed to stare at females? When does that get the attention of the ACLU?

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    • gramma b
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:04pm

      This is just sick and wrong. The inmates have truly taken over the asylum.

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    • Bullcop34
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:06pm

      One of my beloved Corps’ saying is “God, Corps, Country” I guess that will have to change because God does not believe in gays. I personally have lost faith in the country and I held out hope for the Marines but after this……God help us now.

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    • jds7171
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:18pm

      Don‘t worry this new training won’t take hold. When I was in the marines I had to go through at least 10 drunk driving classes during the year because people would still drink and drive. The same with “Don’t do Drug” classes. It won’t hold. Marines will be marines.

      We even had a lot of classes on not making sexist jokes. Just another class that the marines will enjoy. Heck it will beat going out in the field and running the stupid ranges (range 400 still gives me bad flashbacks).

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:19pm

      Some of you act like homosexuals will be, somehow, except from sexual misconduct guidelines……

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    • Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:21pm

      @SHOWTIME
      You commented; “I can’t wait to see what the rest of the world is going to have to say about our “gay military!”
      With all due respect, our most important (and most effective military) allies wonder what has taken us so long to catch up!
      The Israeli armed forces are fully integrated with openly gay men and women who serve with honor and are regarded by the US Pentagon as among the world’s best professional soldiers. The British are Gay & Lesbian-integrated and have openly gay soldiers, sailors and marines in their version of special operations forces, also regarded by American war fighters as elite professionals.
      That’s what I meant. There is no such thing as a “gay military,” no country has that. But Seattle has ferry boats.
      Thank You Sir

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    • jds7171
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:23pm

      I also wonder that when the libs talk about slashing the defense budget in half if they will leave these classes (which cost a lot) and sacrifice the new armor underwear that the marines need. I can just hear it now when the officer tells his troops

      “since we have to cut the defense budget and still keep the classes so we can learn to accept gays, the POWERS TO BE have reached a consensous that you don’t need the armor underwear….Also we have to ration ammo because of the budget cuts too.”

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Is a cork standard equipment now?

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 1:36pm

      OK .. BUT isn’t it that a FEMALE get a higher rank than a man immediately?? and isn’t that they are NOT allowed to date enlisted men?? so ONE of them is in serious trouble if you look at them like a man and a women.. one of them is in trouble.. but WHICH???

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 2:08pm

      @JDS7171 Armor underwear? I hope that’s a joke. I have never heard of it. Even if they were seriously considering this, I never wore underwear when in uniform. It’s uncomfortable. There’s a reason the term is called “Going Commando.” Not many people I know from my former unit wore underwear as far as I knew. I can’t imagine how uncomfortable this Kevlar weave underwear would feel like. Hell, most of the time, we don’t wear any of the extra armor (shoulder, groin, kidney, etc) so I don’t see why anyone would wear underwear armor.

      Even if they did, the funding for a one hour instructional video to demonstrate how to not discriminate against homosexual soldiers is a decimal number compared to the cost to develop, manufacture and distribute multiple pairs of underwear to the two million service members. The you have to consider the costs to DX them and reissue them, etc.

      @INDEPENDENTVOTERIL I’ve never heard of a female getting higher rank quicker. Sure, there might be favorites being played, maybe even some sexual favors exchanged. As far as fraternizing goes, if it’s on the enlisted side, it’s more of the difference in rank. I‘ve seen E5’s dating E3′s, or married to each other. Now if that E5 is the E3′s direct line supervisor, there would be problems. If they aren’t even in the same company, not even an issue. Now Officers aren’t suppose to date enlisted, but I think there‘s a similar bypass if they aren’t in the same unit. This is just based on observations not actual UCMJ guidelines.

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    • Professional Infidel
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 3:16pm

      again are they oblligated to look up, you know being politically correct!! “you go girl”

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    • US_SOLDIER
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 3:55pm

      It’s happening in the Army too lol. I just had my briefing the other day. Honestly tho, I really don’t care what someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom as long as they can fulfill their duties as a soldier I see no issues

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    • Code_Orange
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 4:17pm

      GOP now stands for Gay Officers and Privates

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    • avenger
      Posted on April 28, 2011 at 4:18pm

      this fkng disgusting… macv-sog

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    • rappini
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 9:11am

      The only way to destroy our Military is from within buy allowing this Gay crap. You can see it happening with our Gov’t with Barry Soetoro as POTUS and his socalist agenda. My Uncle who was a 1st Marine Raider during WW2 and he has to be rolling around in his grave looking for someone to punch.

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    • militiaman
      Posted on April 29, 2011 at 5:07pm

      To a normal person homosexuality is disgusting, and the reason it is is because in each of us we have imbeded natural instincts that are programmed into our DNA to react in various ways that are beneficial to our continued existence.

      For example, where would we be if the natural instinct at self survival were gone? We react in certain ways to those things that send out danger signals to our subconscious minds telling us that certain things and situations are a threat to our survival, both immediate and long term. Regarding long term survival instincts, without male/female pairings we know instinctlively we would die off as a species. To prevent that, Nature has inculcated into most every one of us a revulsion toward same sex couplings.

      Most of us feel deep feelings of distast and revulsion at same sex unions, and it’s perfectly natural to feel that way. Without it we would die off as a species. It has nothing to do with religion.

      To say that such feelings are “homophobic” or the product of those who “hate,” in an effort to create an artificial condition whaich is completely against human nature, is just plain stupidity.

      The wackos who influence culture now are holding knives to our throats forcing us to go along with their many anti-human nature agendas, and, while they are proving to be effective in the short run, they will ultimately fail. This failure will eventually result in the same kind of backlash every forced agenda has come to throughout history, and that is violence and mayhem when the point of critical mass is reached.

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