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Marines Jailed & Fined for Entering Into Fraudulent Marriages With Lesbians

Marines Fined and Jailed After Fraudulent Marriage With Lesbians

This photo, provided by KGTV, shows U.S. Marine Cpl. Ashley Vice, left, and Jaime Murphy during an interview near Camp Pendleton, Calif.

Three California-based Marines have been given bad-conduct discharges after they pled guilty to entering into fake marriages so that a lesbian couple could receive extra housing funds each month.

What started as a ploy to ensure that Cpl. Ashley Vice and her partner Jaime Murphy — a civilian — would be able to afford living with one another in an off-base apartment, has concluded with major legal drama.

The Los Angeles Times frames the issues surrounding same-sex regulations that may have played a role in the flagrant decision to evade the law:

Even with the end of the ”don’t ask/don’t tell” policy banning gays and lesbians from serving openly, same-sex couples will not be eligible for married housing allowances because federal law defines marriage as between a man and woman.

Unmarried couples — gay or straight — are not allowed to live together in base housing.

See, the women needed more money to be able to afford the housing, so they sought out male Marines who would be willing to marry them. The two found Cpl. Jeremiah Griffin and Cpl. Joseph Garner who were both willing to jump into matrimony with the women so that the couples could reap the benefits of a $1,200 per month housing allowance meant only for wedded Marines.

Aside from the bad-conduct charges, Vice, Griffin and Garner ended up getting fined $5,000 each and they were sentenced to confinement for between three and six months. The three were a part of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing and were based at Camp Pendleton.

This same punishment could not be applied to Murphy, who is not in the military and is, thus, not subject to such regulations.

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  • TheSitRep
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:07pm

    Military pay should be the same for married and single.
    It used to really piss me off when I was an NCO in the USMC and I had to live in a squad bay with my platoon and married privates got to live out in town and not have to field day the barracks plus they got paid more.

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    • crackerone
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:09pm

      Yes, I think everyone dreams of having a nice place with new carpet. Leave them alone!

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:05pm

      Regardless of the issue of gay marriage, there pay should be based on the job & performance of the job & there should not be any extra allowance for a family. I agree with the NCO.

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    • Blackhawk1
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:17pm

      So would you also like to have all the married military members family eating at the mess hall and living in the barracks? If they get the same pay then they will be afforded the same living conditions. If you ever paid attention to your LES you would know that all military members get paid BAS and BAH. The difference is the government takes it back from the single members who live in the barracks and eat in the mess hall and the married members keep it to pay for their own food and pay rent. Your statement must not have any forethought put into it.

      Blackhawk1
      U.S. Army (Ret)

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:24pm

      Housing allowance is based on a certain square footage per occupant. Two people require more space than 1, so of course the allowance would be higher for married couples.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:47pm

      @ blackhawk 1, I used to make the same speech that you just gave to my Marines all the time when they would complain. But the truth of the matter is that there is a pay gap between married and single service members. Ask yourself if there is any other job in the world where an employer pays you based on whether you are married or not. I’ll help you out, there is not.

      Also, forcing a service member to live in a cinder block barracks with 300 square foot rooms and shared heads is a far cry from an 800 square foot apartment out in town that a person can call their own and doesn’t have limitations on who they can invite into their own home and when or what kind of posters they can put on their walls. Not to mention that they don’t have to worry about an officer doing a suprise inspection on their room while they are in the shower.

      The facts are that forcing our service members to live in squad bays or barracks outside of training and combat while witholding all of their BAH is an unfair practice and it should not exist in today’s all volunteer force. I don’t know how many Marines committ suicide every year in their barracks rooms, but I’ve seen it happen about once a year or more at my base alone. And that is not counting the ones who go out and get so drunk to try and drink away their problems that they OD on alcohol and drown in a pool of their own vommit. In fact, more Marines die every year stateside than do in combat situations.

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    • Wixom35
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:26pm

      Back in 1966 in San Diego – I can remember a USMC NCO telling a private who wanted to get permission to marry a girl from Mexico – that if the Marines thought he needed a wife they would have issued him one. I can also remember a guy that I really liked hitting the bars with – being sent to the bring for a year. What happend was his enlistment time owed to the UCMS stopped the minute he entered the Brig and stated the minute he was dicharges from the Brig. Resulting in an additional year wearing the uniform!

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    • apollo18
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:28pm

      Get over it, yah cry baby! It’s none of your business what ANYBODY else takes home.

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    • ArizonaMom3
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:45pm

      Unlike single military members, married military members bring with them a military family who share the sacrifice and service to us all therefore they do contribute more and should be renumerated accordingly. If the single military members want the benefits afforded married members they ought to get married and have children like the married military members have done. It is not the same job.

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  • Nations
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:05pm

    Gays are somewhat sick and we should take this with a grain of salt. I must say, I am so tired of the Gay community putting their agenda before the good of our nation. They should know they are sick and leave the rest of us to our own problems. Get out of our faces, and go on about your sick ways and wallow in your demise. Being gay is like pedophilia or an adjoining condition. Look at yourself and try to think of others. We are not enamored with your condition but you do not have to shout about it. Just leave us alone and carry your life on as you will. Simple.

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    • KingDawg
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:07pm

      Well said!!

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:17pm

      Now that the liberals made their gay beds, enjoy the consequences idiots.

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    • Chuck Stein
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:27pm

      @ Nations
      Your comments will be deemed “homophobia” by some — odd that a natural discomfort (with something that is profoundly unnatural) would be considered to be a psycological affliction. Interestingly, the term “homophobia” has (just like the term “gay”) been usurped by the homosexuals — a few of decades ago, “homophobia” was a fear or hatred of humanity.

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    • Deep_Thoughts
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:50pm

      Very insightful, Chuck

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  • prd2banamerican
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:02pm

    Every one envolved should be charged and punished for trying to defraud our Government whether or not they are gay or not. Allowing gays into the military will always bring problems because of the very nature of living in close proximity to each other. I wish they would just crawl back into their ratholes and keep their dirty little secrets to themselves.

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    • riverdog1
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:29pm

      got news for ya, gays have always been in the military. faught and died for your freedom. thanks would be nice.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:50pm

      Ok thanks. Now…why aren’t you condemning these lesbians and their enablers for robbing from the taxpayer and insulting the corps? Is it because homosexuals are beyond criticism as far as the left is concerned? We have to treat the poor darlings with kid gloves so as not harm their fragile sensibilities?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:16pm

      riverdog1

      I believe you. Some have fought & died for the right reasons. Others joined in the 80s to figure out how to pay for AIDS if they ever caught it. I heard that from gay acquaintances. Don’t know the percentages, but it contributes to a bad image for said community. I also have no doubt that some joined for the wrong reasons & found out they like the military.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:28pm

      They gays serving in the military before don’t as, don’t tell were violating the contract they signed when joining the service, which asked if they were gay. That is fraudulent enlistment, so they don’t deserve the same respect as the ones who were honest. After don‘t ask don’t tell is another matter, they never signed anything stating they were not gay, so they are good to go.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:37pm

      @riverdog1

      you or the gays will not get any thanks from me, and I have been serving for 24 years now. Just because you serve, does not mean you serve honorably. There have been rapists, child molesters, thieves, and murderers in the military also, but they do not get my thanks.

      Homosexuality is an abomination, is is not natural, and they are a sick and diseased people. It is a result of choices and bad environment. There is a reason they have 80% of the AIDS, 64% of the syphilis, gay bowel syndrome, commit 1/3 or child molestations……

      and yes, I have served with some. All that I have served wtih have been sub par performers, and they put being homosexual over duty. The rate in which they assault their fellow soldiers in unreal/.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:58pm

      By the way RIVERDOG…should we thank homosexual PFC Brad Manning for leaking national secrets to Julian Assange and wikileaks? Does that urchin deserve our thanks simply because he put on a uniform? As RANGERP said…many put on the uniform, not all serve honorably, and being homosexual doesn’t get you lighter treatment..contrary to your lefty desire to coddle them.

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    • KenInIL
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:49pm

      Makes you wonder why they couldn’t have just resigned and be off the hook for everything like we expect Eric Holder and the DOJ, ATF, FBI, CIA staffs that participated in Fast and Furious will be allowed to do. OR the DOE Secty Chu and his staff with the Solyndra scandal. Really I think they should all get time in the graybar hotel and have to pay back all the losses and costs just like the Marines.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:01pm

    What a ridiculous post!

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  • HuskerDave
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:00pm

    Don’t get distracted by the gay issue here. It’s not all that uncommon for soldiers to engage in fraudulent marriages in order to gain housing benefits. If caught, they get prosecuted, just the same as if you fraudulently claimed food stamps.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:08pm

      During the years of DADT thousands of military members were seperated for being homosexual. the number one way their homosexuality was discovered is through assault. When they assault others, they get found out.

      Homosexuality is a perversion and is evil. there is nothing “gay” about it. They are a sick people.

      Endind DADT was just one way Obama can destroy our military. he wants to destroy the nation, and this is just one simple step towards that goal.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:10pm

      Maybe it would by nice for our armed forces to be paid the same as senators, then this problem would go away. In turn, lets pay senators what the armed forces get paid. Sounds good to me.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:20pm

      Yup. Except back in the day it was contract marriages with foreign citizens for American citizen status.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 6:07pm

      rangerp
      I remember at one command a soldier assaulted his best friend & he was kicked out. He was damn good at his job too.

      But do you have a link as to percentage kicked out due to assault?

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  • kralspaces
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:00pm

    Nothing new here. This has been going on for years. Marriage of convenience, unlike friends with benefits.

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  • airportengineer
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:59pm

    This is the same problem that I have as an employer that has been fighting gay/lesbian marriage in our state! I could care less if they get married, my problem is that the government will then force us to offer the same benefits to their partner and I could easily see this sort of scam going on throughout the U.S.! I could see this sort of crime going on easily, and it would be hard for a small business employer to find out their marriage is a scam to defraud our company and our generous benefits.

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    • SoiledDove
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:19pm

      Ok, sure, this kind of thing could happen. But what is special about gay couples? Couldn’t straight couples perpetrate the exact same fraud? Doesn’t it happen relatively routinely already (answer: it does).

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  • Obama_Sham
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:59pm

    From my service days, I knew a guy once that “married” a woman to claim the extra pay for married couples… He then would give her 1/3 of the monthly pay… This went on for about a year… That is, until he let the cat out of the bag… He was discharged as well…

    This is nothing new…

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    • nonamesleft
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:13pm

      Why did you let the fraud go on for a year? Where was your moral compass to report the scam?
      To see evil and do nothing is also evil.

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  • garyM
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:59pm

    Hey this is just starters! You talk about opening a can of worms! Why do you think this gay thing was never allowed before in the military prior toDADT? The only thing that has actually changed is people have become soooo stupid by allowing a rule changes after over 200 years of a regulation that was needed to keep our military strong. Bill Clinton knew that DADT was just a stepping stone when he done it. That’s the way the dems have worked for years. Get people comfortable with a stupid idea and then wait until you get the right crackerheads in places of power to take it to where they can do damage. Hey, before the change, the gays had rights, they could live together, shackup whatever. The rule change they lobbied for was a right to rip off the government and ruin the country plain and simple! I thinks gays have constitutional rights and I think they were afforded those constitutitonal rights prior to DADT! I know God looks at it different but that between them and God!

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    • Champ
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:05pm

      ” … when he done it.” Its hard to take anybody who writes a comment this way seriously. Anybody can defraud the government by faking a marriage, not just gays. This is a stupid as people bringing up gay people in strait marriages who cheat on their spouse with someone of the same sex. Then, they go on to blame homosexuality as the reason why the marriage was destroyed. How about blaming the person who entered in to marriage with someone of the opposite sex when they knew they were gay? How about simply saying that infidelity is wrong, and leave it at that? It doesn’t matter who the cheater cheats with, it matters that they cheated!

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  • The Bushmaster
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:57pm

    Always knew Soldiers were smarter than Marines… LOL

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  • LiberalMarine
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:54pm

    This has nothing to do with the repeal of DADT, it’s all timing. This kind of thing has been going on for A LONG time. Out of the units I have been in I knew of three contract marriages to get benefits. It’s unfair for people to get paid so much more (Sometimes double pay) because they are married, so sometimes people play the system.

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    • BSdetector
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:55pm

      Well that’s what liberalism is all about; fraud, lies, and half-truths.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:10pm

      Yeah, liberal servicemembers are THE ONLY ones who have done contract marriages. Don’t be ridiculous.

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  • thegreatcarnac
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:53pm

    This is only the beginning of the problems with gays in the military

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  • TheValley
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:51pm

    The three service members will be dealt with but saying the civilian is off the hook is bad reporting by the paper, she knowingly defrauded the government, she should be punished to the max allowable.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:49pm

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    As a red blooded American Male, I was shocked to find out that I was part lesbian, I love Women……..

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  • USMCGator
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:47pm

    Didn’t see this kind of BS a mile a way. If gays want to serve for honorable reasons, allow them to form their own fruity rainbow branch and EARN some respect. Rather the damn liberals are content with having them polluting our ranks. The one thing we are still top dog with, and we are losing that too.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:52pm

      three decades of MTV indoctrination, Hillary’s village of idiots in charge of the public schools, and a community organizer elected as president…… and we wonder why America is crumbling around us. The military will fall apart quickly under this nonsence.

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    • OneofMany
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:53pm

      I’m with you USMCGator!

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    • rockmanlinux
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:56pm

      @RANGERP: Cant agree more.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:56pm

      I have absolutely no sympathy for them. They sought to wrought the system to get illegal funding for themselves. I’m thrilled they got fined $5000.00 for their deception. They knew the rules, they chose to ignore them. The military is not a social experiment, it‘s a professional institution that’s meant to keep us safe and protect the nation’s interests.

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  • rightwingheroes
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:47pm

    lol…owned

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  • jnobfan
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:44pm

    How stupid are those guys?
    Pretty fing stupid -

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    • sWampy
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:50pm

      These ass bites really piss me off, marriage was created to encourage 2 parent stable environments to raise kids. Gays/lesbians/transsexuals no matter how much they pretend and lie about it will never be a loving, holesome place to raise kids, and shouldn’t ever be given the benefits of being married.

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  • 762x51
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:44pm

    Looks like Cpl. Vice was looking for a mommy, not a spouse. Murphy must be 20 years older.

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  • banjarmon
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:43pm

    Cpl. Jeremiah Griffin, Cpl. Joseph Garner AND Cpl. Ashley Vice…Where is your HONOR as a MARINE???? The THREE of you should be kicked out with a DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE!!!!!

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:49pm

      The Corps forced this issue by letting out-dated, religious values define relationships between consenting adults. The goverment has no place in handing out benefits based on religious backed values.

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  • Retired_from_SPOnaj
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:40pm

    The deadliest weapon in the world is the United States Marine and his ability to exploit loopholes. Semper Fidelis!

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  • lukerw
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:36pm

    GIGO… fubar!

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:41pm

      FUBAR does not do this kind of disgrace and crime justice at all.

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    • foobear
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:59pm

      Foobear certainly does not support Lavender Marriages.

      But if these guys were going to do it, they should have simply kept their mouths shut rather than admit they were scamming the federal government.

      Or to put it another way, there‘s no reason why anyone’s sexuality should be someone else‘s business unless they’re doing something to harm other people.

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  • American Soldier (Separated)
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:35pm

    It’s blatant discrimination. Why does a straight cOuple get the MAJOR benefit of BAH, BAH and family sep pay when deployed but not a gay couPle? Either give them the opportunity to reap the same benefits or remove these benefits for being married.

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    • Mtremblay
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:43pm

      I have been active duty for 18 years. What is discriminatory is any married couple getting more money than a single soldier based on personnel choice. It is called military welfare and fake marriages between straight happen all the time because of this unfair policy. This one makes the news only because they are gay but there have been lots of discharges over this. The military should be encouraging people to stay single which costs the government a lot less in the end

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:49pm

      @Disgraced American Soldier (kicked out for being a flaming queer)

      Easy answer, gays can not marry. Marriage is the union between a man and woman. a pair of lesbians or a pair of queers is a evil partnership that destroys society. they are degenerates

      Gays = 2% of the population
      they have 80% of the AIDS
      they have 65% of the syphilis
      they commit 1/3 of child molestations
      they have the highest suicide rates and way higher than average alcohol and drug abuse
      lesbians are twice as likely to have an STD, and generally have four times the male partners in their past

      Any more brilliant questions?

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:51pm

      @Ranger

      Look, you can disagree with another person without being a total douchebag.

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    • Mtremblay
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:51pm

      I am Navy but I should also note Marines have a higher tendency to get married really young to get out of the nasty barracks. Other services will let you live out in town around the rank of E-3 but Marines want all of their E-5 and in some cases E-6 that are single to live in the barracks. Have you seen Marine barracks? There is a certain point where one needs to own a couch and not shower with shower shoes. It is not easy for a 25-28 year old to live like this when not deployed..so they often marry whatever grows outside the gate!

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    • sWampy
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:52pm

      The benefits were put in place to encourage stable 2 parent homes, there is zero benefit to society to have 2 mentally ill people living in the same home abusing each other without supervision.

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    • 762x51
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:56pm

      Gays represent 2% of the population, why should EVERYONE change their rules to accommodate such a miniscule percentage? Gays are pushing an agenda that says” we don’t want to play by the rules of society”, but we want society to give us the benefits of playing by those rules. Gays are NOT discriminated against as there is no rule of law preventing them from marrying within the established rules the rest of us play by. Just as there is no rule of law requiring them to be in the military. Marriage, like military service is a CHOICE, whether being gay is or not, many people go through their entire lives without ever being married OR being in the military, shall we grant them special dispensaation from the rules as well? In fact, if being gay is not a choice, then I can make the argument that nature has selected those people, and their bloodline, for extinction. So why change the rules for the rest of humanity to accommodate a soon to be extinct person?

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    • OneofMany
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:57pm

      I’m with you RangerP …. I won’t let me son join the military now. God cannot possibly be with any Military that allows gays. The wise thing is for us to get on God’s side, he is NOT with homosexuality, no matter what the Apostate churches say.

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    • justin.blake
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:57pm

      @mtremblay – FYI..a lot of the times, when people get married, they have now 2 people living together. Sounds like you just want single soldiers to have as much ‘room’ as married folks. What happens when they have kids? You want a bigger place too just to make it ‘fair’? The money that comes in BAH allows them to get the larger place needed for 2 people to live in. When I was on base, I did not get BAH because I lived in base housing. You think a single soldier should be given a 3 bedroom house because he or she makes a decision to remain single? Cuts both ways buddy…

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:01pm

      Ranger is dead on.Liberal marine, keep you coward a$$ head buried in the sand.

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    • Jumper
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:05pm

      I’ll tell you why. It says it right in the story, federal law describes marriage as between a man and a woman, one of the few things the federal government got right. A straight couple gets those benefits because they’re NOT GAY!!! Oh, yea, not criminls either. Take your social experiements elsewhere, we’ve got work to do.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:06pm

      @Gunner
      Umm… no.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:07pm

      @LiberalPoleSmokingMarine

      If I could take you, the rest of the queers and pack you on a giant boat, drag you a mile out to sea, and sink it, I would.

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    • OneofMany
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:11pm

      @762×51 that was a fantastic argument… wow… nicely done. especially using their own evolutionary model…. IF evolution is true and the evolved so as not to have a choice, then it is logical that they are selected for extermination…. I plan on using that one when dealing with evolutionary gays. Creationist gays are just plain insane..the bible cannot ever be twisted enough to extract homosexuality as anything but sin.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:12pm

      @Ranger
      That’s tough speak, man you are hard core.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:17pm

      @Liberalmarine you and your kind are the reason our nation has become weak and passive.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:23pm

      @Gunner
      You and Ranger, shining examples of the douchebaggery that is, sadly, a common occurrence in the military.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:34pm

      libmarine …..douchebaggery ????? Kiss your mother with that mouth? BTW, I never said I was in the Military but do respect those who have. Do your homework before you make a feeble minded attempt at categorizing folks. But don’t worry, I‘m sure ranger wouldn’t mind helping me protect you and the other women of the village from harms way.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:38pm

      Then maybe you should serve before you call someone who did a coward.

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Ranger Dan and the Bigot patrol is out in force. Of course, this case above is a perfect example of why DOMA has to be over turned. This policiy is a clear violation of equal protection and needs to be overturned. With more and more states reconizing that the right of consent adults to marry teh Federal govermnet needs to realize that it can not limit rights of others to make christian bigots like Ranger Dan happy.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 4:44pm

      It’s very telling ENDIDIOT that your reflexive action is to defend homosexuals no matter what. These individuals conspired with others to defraud the Federal government and the Corps, actually costing the taxpayer (I know..I lost you right there because “tax money” to you means “government money”) money. Rather than condemn their dishonesty, you choose to defend their homosexuality. Once the critics of the repeal of DADT are proven right by idiots like you.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 5:23pm

      @encinom

      most likely, DOMA will get overturned. We have a president that is hell bent on the destructin of America.

      You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own truth. World History proves that nations that turn to homosexuality fail and crumble soon after.

      The writing is on the wall. As a nation, we are falling. The libs sit back and smile. You will not be smiling for long. When the dominos start to fall, you will experience hellishness beyond your imagination.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:26pm

      Thanks for the warm welcome Ranger, nothing short of what I expected from you. Don’t worry, I’ve been desensitized from it since I get just as warm of a welcome from your counterparts on news sources like HuffPo. Congrats for lowering yourself to a level far below then anything they’ve ever gone!| You should be proud of that!

      And I’ve been trying to get you to post your sources for all your data. They better be from highly respected scientific journals and not a phone survey of your town.

      You apparently never seen the barrack rats that run around, guarantee they’ve had more sexual partners in one drunken night at the barracks with some young infantry grunts then any average lesbian had in their lifetime (thus far).

      You seem to like to put these talking point that you pulled from your rear end on homosexuals but ignore that it’s no different in heterosexuals either. Are their no sluts in the heterosexual world?

      As you can tell, I have plenty of questions and I wouldn’t mind a respectful answer. I thought rangers had a bit more integrity and ability to be professional? Apparently, I held the tab too high on the pedestal.

      @SWAMPY So equal protection only applies to you and who you believe it should apply to? Freedom is not selective. Either freedom for all or freedom for now, you can’t have both. A republic was created by out founders to protect the minority from the whims of the majority. Had they not carried, they would have just given us a direct democ

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:35pm

      @762X51 It’s easy to feel that way when you are in the majority. Imagine if it were reversed and homosexual couples were given $3000 a month for being married while you, married to your wife, are in the minority and they don’t recognize you as being married. So you have to survive off of $1800 a month for doing the exact same job. Is that fair? Why or why not? The reason we have a republic is to protect the minority from the majority. You may be in a majority now, but will you always be? Would you like to have the protection of a republic when you are in the minority? I would think you would…..

      @ONEOFMANY I guarantee you homosexuals have served in every military that has ever existed. I guarantee you we’ve had homosexuals serving our nations military since the revolutionary war. Just because we don‘t know about it doesn’t mean it has never happened.

      @JUMPER Would you accept this decision if the roles were reversed? Do you think you will always be in the majority for all of eternity? Equal protection. Easy to want government to keep this kind of ruling while your in the majority but don’t go crying when you become part of the minority. Remember, you gave the Federal government the power to do this!

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  • pap pap
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:34pm

    Gay or straight Marriage is not a joke. Who is the joke on now ?

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  • JLGunner
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:34pm

    …and so the expense of repealing DADT begins. Wait til you see the next garabage gay and lesbians start to pull.

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    • encinom
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:47pm

      And yet this case make it clear, that like the court found in Brown v. Bd of Ed, you can not claim equal protection under the law treating others differently. Time to end DOMA and realize that all consenting adults have the right to define what a marraige is for themselves, it is a human right.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:34pm

      encinom
      There are people who are not Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or Muslim & they think that marriage is one man & one woman. They find gays pretty stupid & grotesque. So opposition to gay marriage is not solely rooted in religion. So get over it.

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  • American Soldier (Separated)
    Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:34pm

    It’s blatant discrimination. Why does a straight cOuple get the MAJOR benefit of BAH, BAH and family sep pay when deployed but not a gay cou

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 2:40pm

      Because being gay doesn’t grant you rights. Get over it.

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    • JakeEllis
      Posted on October 18, 2011 at 3:12pm

      Were you a tail gunner, disgraced American soldier? Soldiers don’t cry, you flaming idiot. This is just the beginning of the end I envisioned when I was honorably discharged Sept ‘93 after 10 years to a career. I KNEW homos in the US military would destroy our national defense. Next, he-shes showing up in female uniforms because the issued uni “just doesnt feel right”, and demands for sex changes and openly gay sodomy. We are done as a nation.

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