Mark Steyn: Witness the ‘Unraveling of the American Middle East’

Steyn Online:

This is not a happy ending but the beginning of something potentially very dark. The end of the Mubarak regime is the biggest shift in the region in 60 years, since Nasser overthrew King Farouk‘s dissolute monarchy and diminished London’s influence in Cairo. We are witnessing the unraveling of the American Middle East – that’s to say, of the regimes supported by Washington in the waning of British and French imperial power after the Second World War. The American Middle East was an unlovely place, and perhaps the most obviously repellent illustration of the limitations of “He may be an SOB but he’s our SOB” thinking. It’s “our” SOBs who are in trouble: After the fall of Mubarak, what remains to hold up the Hashemites in Amman? Jordan‘s Muslim Brotherhood is more radical than Egypt’s, the regime is less ruthless, King Abullah’s Arabic is worse than his English, and pretty westernized Queen Rania, who seems so cute when CNN interviewers are fawning all over her, is openly despised outside the palace gates.

Iran is nuclearizing, Turkey is Islamizing, Egypt is …what exactly? Well, we’ll find out. But, given that only the army and/or the Muslim Brotherhood are sufficiently organized to govern the nation, the notion that we’re witnessing the youthful buds of any meaningful democracy is deluded.

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  • UpstateNYConservative
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:17pm

    When liberals scream about ‘democracy’, they think it‘s what we have here and that it’s always a good thing. They’re wrong on both counts, as usual. What we have is a representative republic.

    If libs think what happened in Egypt will result in a free country like ours, they’re wrong again. (no surprise) The government we formed here is based on English traditions and common law going back centuries before our own Revolution, concepts on which our Founders were raised and later expanded to make Americans more free than British subjects of the time. The countries of the Third World have no such historical connections to their own pasts.

    That’s why the sudden de-colonization of Africa and Asia in the 1960s resulted in the creation of tin-plated dictators in all those former colonies: The Europeans never had chance to instill a sense of basic rights and self-rule by the people over their governments, so they might prosper. With the exception of Israel, the Middle East also has no history of Western ideas about freedom. Israel was formed with such Western traditions because many of her original founders were European.

    The liberal concept of ‘democracy’ can easily mean a one-party state where people have a ‘choice’ between three different candidates all of the same state-approved political affiliation. That’s not true liberty.

    Time, of course, will tell where Egypt finally lands. I hope I’m wrong, but the way things worked out and have potential of going, no good can come from this.

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    • Puddle Duck
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 10:33pm

      Excellent post……….deocracy is often misused, misunderstood term. The democratic process is how WE select our representatives….the Canadian model is almost a carbon copy of the British Parliamentary system with a couple of Canadian trwists…the problem with the Paliamentary system was cleverly solved by the American model…….the creation of the executive branch among other noteworthy refinements which is oversimplifying the many differences but for this post‘s purposes it’s sufficent detail. The founding fathers understood the idea of checks and balances better than anyone (to this day)….the US system may not be perfect but IMO it’s as close to fair and balanced as we are likely to get (on this earth, provided we protect it).

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  • numbers
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:12pm

    Our President is so obviously an amateur on the world stage that he or one of his minion open mouth and insert foot on a daily basis. Then, he makes speeches where he speaks to the “young people” as if to urge them to do what is happening in the MIddle East. Further, he continues to say that “everyone” must have a voice at the table; translation, the Muslim Brotherhood (TMB) gets to have a place at the table of…democracy? I think not. Everyone in this administration, and the Muslim world as well, is so busy denying that TMB is involved in Middle East unrest that it proves to me that they assuredly are involved.

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    • lynnissmart
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:05pm

      Size 13 foot or larger as his mouth is so so big!

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    • staythecourse
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 7:03pm

      Let’s not forget the “arc bending towards justice” with a little help from progressives looking for “the coming insurrection”. The “arc” is his marker… listen again to his speech congratulating the “freedom fighters”.

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  • Ashrak
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:11pm

    The Arab people are now showing the entire world what they want. Media cannot hide it much longer. and this is a very good thing! Dark? Sure. Dangerous? Abso-smurfly.

    Here is why this is a good thing. Only when people see for themselves, only when media progressives can no longer pretend it away, will folks finally realize the magnitude of the fight we finally started to engage in after 9-11.

    This is World War 4 folks. Seriously. Europeans are finally waking up and that is exactly why we are seeing the sudden and public denunciation of “multiculturalism”.

    (World War 3 was nuclear war where we shot ourselves and Mother Russia shot herself in a ******* match about who could build the bigger bomb.)

    Yes it would be best if it didn’t have to be this way, but because of the progressive domination of media for so many decades, there is no other alternative. There are two ways this can go. Muslims in within and without the Muslims world can step into the 21st century or they can take the caliphate back to the 7th. It is their choice. The difference this time is that everyone in the world is watching in a way never before possible. And I don’t think the world is going to stand by and watch Islam enslave billions of people. The largest fight for freedom this planet has ever witnessed is brewing and it depends upon what the young people in the middle east decide. Jihad or peace is the choice on their plate.

    Let us hope they choose peace.

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  • LibertyUSA1
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:59pm

    Can we please STOP sending them billions of our dollars.!!!! Can we please now DRILL, BABY, DRILL????

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  • jacarlton
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:58pm

    I have to say, I agree with Glenn on most issues but this one I think he is off the map on. What should we expect the Egyptian people to do? Continue to live in slavery without putting up a fight? I hear so many right-wing talkers saying that it is ridiculous that a giant mob of people determines the fate of a country and how this is contrary to the rule of law, peaceful assembly, and other principles that we as Americans hold dear. The glaring problem with that is that he Egyptians lived under the heel of a dictator and had no legal recourse to change the direction of their country. Given the options available to them they did things as orderly and peaceful as possible. And how can we, as conservatives, preach the goodness of freedom, liberty, free markets and democracy and not wish it for others? I want everybody on this planet to have the same opportunities that we enjoy. Just because this is happening in a Middle Eastern country doesn’t mean that if you remove a dictator an extremist Muslim government will fill the void. If the Egyptian people were approaching this from that angle I would have expected the protests to be much more violent.

    I just find it horribly hypocritical to want freedom and liberty for ourselves but to wish against it for others just because we think it could possibly threaten our self-interest. Freedom, liberty, self-determination are God-give universal rights that every human is entitled to. I think it’s fantastic that Egypt has removed this dictator and I hope that other countries around the world follow suit. It’s a false choice to assume that if you end the status quo in that part of the world then the alternative is communism. We ought to examine these situations on a case by case basis rather than lump everyhing into two, broad categories.

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    • royalstar
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:34pm

      I don’t think Mark Stein or anyone else on the Blaze wants the status quo. It is about a sane transition. It is about being able to influence our friends to make change long before it came to this. When you are pumping 150 billion dollars into a country you should be able to have some influence towards constitutional freedoms. We have obviouslly been impotent in Egypt for a long time and our current influence is appalling. It is either utter incompetence with our foreign policy or going according to plan. Take your pick. In either case it is embarrasing to say the least.Our inaction either by design, incompetence or all the above has paved the way for something much more sinister to take it’s place. Our only hope is that the Egyptian people truly want a free and open democratic state. Even if that is so, they have no history or experience to bring that about. Who is guarding the gate while that occurs. It will take years. They say the Egyptian military is primarily secular at least the high ranking officers, but the military by and large are Egyptian citizens and will go ultimately the way the majority of the public go or it will pretty much remain the status quo with just another dictator in place or even worse become a muslim controlled state with Shariah law. I can’t imagine why clear thinking conservatives would have a butt pucker at this time. We don’t have anyone guarding the gate and looking after our domestic interests.

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    • sbenard
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 5:38pm

      You have grossly misrepresented Glenn’s view of the situation in Egypt. You just created your own little Glenn straw man.

      If you actually LISTENED to Glenn, you’d know that your portrayal of his view is wrong. He has consistently mentioned Mubarak as an authoritarian tyrant. However, he has also shown 2-3 weeks of videos, audios, and writings of those who are behind the so-called “democratic revolution” in Egypt. The agenda these people are advancing is never shown in the cute little superficial street protests shown by the news media. They are radical revolutionaries who seek an Islamist-ruled autocracy and a socialist/marxist tyranny. The organizers and planners of these revolutions do NOT have freedom as their goal, as hoped-for by the Egyptian people. The Egyptian people are largely unaware, as apparently you are also, that the people pushing this “revolution” are simply planning to substitute one brand of tyranny for their own. Freedom is NOT their plan! And by the way, these same people, in the videos Glenn has shown, have explicitly stated that their goal is to bring a revolution to the United States to topple its government also.

      I suggest that if you value your own “freedom”, you watch more Glenn Beck and create fewer straw men!

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  • smallstuff7
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:56pm

    If you’re unloading gold, Zimbabwe will trade:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt15F21jpN8&feature=related

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  • docgreen
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:55pm

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=261337

    GLOBAL JIHAD Soros group: ‘Normalize’ Muslim Brotherhood Urged Egypt to allow creation of Islamist political party

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=262077

    FROM WND’S JERUSALEM BUREAU

    Obama, Soros create ‘Palestine’
    Invest in Arab ‘country’ that lacks recognition

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  • smallstuff7
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:52pm

    Reality check: Egyptian army summoning Egyptian god: http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/02/11/video-military-were-seeking-help-of-god-to-achieve-hopes-of-our-people/
    Is that the god of sharia law?

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  • doncorleone
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:49pm

    You can visit the “middle east” here, just go to Detroit. I read an article by Frosty Wooldridge recently, depicting how life was in Detroit during his time there. You have a metropolitan area that’s lost 1 million people (out of 1.9 million) in the last 20 years or so, and it’s filling up w/muslims and illegals, those 2 segments of their population are now over a 1/2 a million strong. He said it looks like a war zone, when I lived there in the mid 80′s it looked like that then, in supposedly “good times”, Cleveland’s in the same shape. Isn’t democrat “governance” just wonderful?

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  • SHOOTnCRASH
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:41pm

    I say let let it happen. The mideast will never be a peaceful place until the “final” battle, so I say ignite this sucker and ride it out. Then we take on the winner head on and end this.

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    • jakartaman
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:47pm

      I agree – lets do it before these Socialist weaken our country any further with a slow bleed!

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  • goatkid
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:32pm

    Obama is an a**.
    If the CIA is relying on the media we are in serious trouble.

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  • Space Cadet
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:31pm

    What happened to the Blaze homepage?

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  • RN MOM
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:30pm

    The unraveling of American interests in the middle east began long ago. Steyn makes good points about Clapper. The USA looks like a bunch of imbeciles to the rest of the world. The most lavishly funded intelligence operation in the world relies on TV for its intel. Too bad Clapper didn’t rely on Fox News for his intel- at least he wouldn‘t look so freakin’ incompetent. Clapper needs to be fired ASAP- this is his second high profile bungle in the past few months. Or is he union protected?

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    • Paleo Archer
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:58pm

      Wow, read Clapper’s Bio and you have to wonder, what He was thinking….or Not thinking…..of course we all know, “Military Intelligence” is a oxymoron.

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    • Grandpa's Attic
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:39pm

      I think that context of Intel. Clapper and gang are baffons, And for the other guy I don’t think that Mil. Intel. is an oxymoron. I’m sorry “we all” didn’t know that one… An oxymoron is more like a Conservative Barak Obama.

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  • tweetybirdtwopointO
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:29pm

    President Obama deserves a Nobel Peace prize for the diplomatic way he helped end the Mubarak and USA era of trying to keep peace in the Middle East. Only about 300 fatalities according to reports, during the Egyptian revolution, and in an Arabic country with 80 million people, that is truly amazing!

    In the words of George Bush — “Let Freedom Ring” by creating democracies in the Middle East. This uprising in Egypt is the way it is done, not by forcing it down their throats like Dubya tried to do in Iraq.

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    • wash1776
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:21pm

      Bullcrap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • smallstuff7
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:41pm

      Would our apologetic commander-in-chief condemn sharia law and female mutiliation to effectively bring down that wall in any Middle East country? That would certainly merit a prize.

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    • Grandpa's Attic
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:07pm

      Well Bird, I hate to crush your wings…but it seems that freedom does ring louder than the hammer of oppression…But that “bell doesn’t ring” in the middle east. It really only rings in the Northern Hemi. I will tell you this, it’s a toss up, but preliminary reports of culture and true democracy in a Middle Eastern Nation is actually pretty difficult. Iran has got to go if the region really wants a shot to feel what real freedom is like. UAB would really have to become the hub not Iran. They then have to come up with extreme wealth. Not just what they have now but crazy wealth. Then they “the region” has to get very arrogant and then they turn on everybody… Perhaps Egypt is the catalyst, but either way this was going to happen either now or when the son was going to try to take over, it is better that it happens now.

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    • royalstar
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:11pm

      That’s why the intel on the ground is severely lacking or non existent. It is going according to plan. You will be one of the first whacked when Sharia law comes to town. Your ignorance is amazing. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:27pm

    We are witnessing the beginning of the radicalization of all of the Middle east.
    All hell is going to take place within 2 years or less. war with Israel, oil shortage, economic world chaos
    violence and general violence all over the world including USA!

    Other than that – Have a great day!
    Thanks Barry for your strong leadership at this historical critical time!

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  • smallstuff7
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:22pm

    Can chaos as a means to an end ever set a good example?

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    • brntout
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:45pm

      Dunno quite frankly,but i hope we send a message of chaos in 2012

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    • smallstuff7
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:00pm

      I vote for restoration and repair by reasoning and employing the constitution,.

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    • brntout
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:18pm

      Uh that would be the chaos I’m talking about.But you left out sanity

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  • docgreen
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:22pm

    Hey everyone, you need to check this out! Glenn was right about the muslim brotherhood, and Obama and being tied into the Elitist Groups! Along with this George Sorros and Obama are going into Business together in Palestine, do you wanna bet he gets rich off of our taxes and the money we give Palestine? He may even end up financing terrorists! He’s one heck of a liar, and even worse as a president! Global Elite, Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood!

    Remember what I said about Obama giving his speech in Egypt, and me saying he was tied into this uprising? Well here you go!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=261337

    GLOBAL JIHAD Soros group: ‘Normalize’ Muslim Brotherhood Urged Egypt to allow creation of Islamist political party

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=262077

    FROM WND’S JERUSALEM BUREAU

    Obama, Soros create ‘Palestine’
    Invest in Arab ‘country’ that lacks recognition

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  • Hugh Williams
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:20pm

    These are troubled times for sure. Prepare like Glenn is urging. Many people will read this and think I am crazy, but my family and I are prepared. Are you?

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  • lasthouseontheright
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:18pm

    Maybe that speech in Cairo wasn’t such a good idea.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:18pm

    “the notion that we’re witnessing the youthful buds of any meaningful democracy is deluded.”
    You’ve got that right Mark. Unfortunately, many on the left AND right seem perfectly happy to expect the muslims to do the exact opposite of what they have been doing for the last 40 years or so.

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  • DeltaHawk
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:16pm

    Satam is alive and well!

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    • weeblewacker1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:16pm

      and can be seen at 5 o’clock est.on fox news!!

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    • brntout
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 5:25pm

      @ WEEDWHACKERNONE you want to really weed whack?We have alot of them in Wasington D.C

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    • IAMMADDOG
      Posted on February 14, 2011 at 2:21pm

      I think he/ she is already wacked on weed.

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  • Zorba53
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:16pm

    Quick, give him another Nobel Peace prize!!!

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    • kidbanks
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:58pm

      …then lock him up like China did Liu Xiaobo !

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    • wash1776
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:19pm

      The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke and a fraud when they give it to someone like Obamanation! It should be Piece Prize where he is concerned because he is breaking up our country in pieces!.

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    • weeblewacker1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:09pm

      ya buddy!!!! i totaily agree!!! plus 4 MORE YEARS!!!!

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  • BoilitDown
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:15pm

    It strikes me that we’re all to concerned about the Middle East right now and need to return our attention to the radical leftists that influence the leadership in our own country. As our enemies may well be increasing, we have an urgent need to restore our own strength and do it quickly. We‘ve had time to take a breath and regroup and it’s time to build up steam again.
    Anybody contacted your Tea Party or other pro-America group lately?

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    • thebertmanlives
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:24pm

      Anybody contacted your Tea Party? Sorry but I tend to avoid Corporate sponsored Cults.
      Pro-America group like Americans for Prosperity? the ones who cheered when WE lost the Olympics.LOL.

      thebertmanlives  
    • HillBillySam1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:30pm

      @THEBERTMANLIVES…..is that YOU, Mr. Olbermann???

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    • plunderpower
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:38pm

      All the Liberals want to do is scare the beJeebers out of Conservatives and silence the Tea Party movement from taking the country back. Liberals are still a minority and a bunch of losers. Everything they touch gets destroyed. The Obamunists are relating to this “revolution” because it involves a lot of screaming, unhappy people and own it like its theirs. (AND they told Conservatives to tone down the rhetoric!!!) If anyone wasn’t convinced this bunch are loons, they should be now. A vote for Obamunism is a vote for this kind of garbage…and in 2012 it is all getting hauled off the hill.

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    • weeblewacker1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:14pm

      the Southern Poverty Law Center!,A.C.L.U!., Green-Peace! help support these great Americans!!!

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    • BoilitDown
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:50pm

      @thebertmanlives:
      Considering that pretty much everybody that has bothered to look into the subject knows that the corporate control of the Tea Parties is a baseless accusation, you’re obviously not serious or too lazy to find out for yourself.
      So…are you against a strong America?
      As for the Olympics, I am an Illinois resident and happy that we didn’t “win” the honor of billions more in debt that Illinois would have incurred. Perhaps you didn’t read about the projected cost/benefit reports.

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    • BoilitDown
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:53pm

      @thebertmanlives
      Excuse me, that was only millions of dollars as a projected loss due to the Olympics.

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  • Comeandtakeit
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:10pm

    Steyn should sub for Beck, when Becks on vacation. He’s terrific.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:28pm

      +1 to that .

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    • Xcori8r
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 7:33pm

      He’s a regular sub for Rush. I really like him. He has a solid handle on geopolitics and the Isamic threat.

      His message here is to buckle up, we are heading into heavy weather.

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    • Supreme Galooty
      Posted on February 13, 2011 at 12:57am

      But he makes fun of the poor, persecuted Musselmen in China….

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:07pm

    Obama makes history!

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    • TruthTalker
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:15pm

      Will he take the credit?

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:15pm

      Indeed, he has managed to single handedly lay the foundation for the destruction of the middle east and possibly of Israel, while seeking to glorify himself for the self annointed saviour of the world.

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    • mcfinch
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:17pm

      I am sure he will say that he did something to make this happen.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Video Website

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    • mcfinch
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:19pm

      He will say that he did something to make this happen.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Conservative Political Video Website

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    • cnsrvtvj
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:19pm

      I thought the whole world was going to love us with the messiah as our president. Seems like that is not the case. The community organizer has opened a huge can of worms with this one. For a guy who bashed Bush over “imposing” America’s will on Iraq, he had no problem doing the same in Egypt.

      http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Obama on Egypt video

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    • S_Malc13
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:21pm

      Our current intelligence are just placeholders for the position. The real work is behind the scenes. Probably Soros & 0bama popping the cork on another bottle of bubbly in celebration of bringing another country down and cheers to more to come!

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    • anutter
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:25pm

      Nothing to worry about. Our dear leader will sit down and have a nice lovely chat with them and all will be well. Perhaps it’ll be another beer summit. Wait…Arabs don’t drink beer…A sand summit.

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    • HillBillySam1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:33pm

      Indeed…..now get ready for historic oil, gas, food, and home energy prices!! I’m so glad that our Dear Leader is on our side…..aren’t you????

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    • NickDeringer
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:36pm

      For those keeping score. So far Professor O’Barry has presented himself ad:

      Abraham Lincoln
      MLK
      JFK
      RFK
      FDR
      The ShamWOW guy
      Ronald Reagan
      Jesus Christ
      and now the Mahdi

      Have I missed any?

      NickDeringer  
    • HippoNips
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:40pm

      Yes, Obama will get rightfully blamed for making this disaster happen.
      All deaths that happened during the riots ,(which now no one seems to mentioned happened except Mubarak and Solieman) and all future deaths in and around Egypt And all for nothing, the Egyptian army was the power in Egypt the last thirty years and remains in power with Solieman merely replacing Mubarak as the Army’s face for the public to concentrate on

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    • UpstateNYConservative
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:47pm

      @NickDeringer
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:36pm

      For those keeping score. So far Professor O’Barry has presented himself ad:

      Abraham Lincoln
      MLK
      JFK
      RFK
      FDR
      The ShamWOW guy
      Ronald Reagan
      Jesus Christ
      and now the Mahdi

      Have I missed any?

      __________________

      The 12th Imam?

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:48pm

      Steyn is a brilliant individual but this idea or ideaology that it is America’s role to influence, intervene, or in many cases set up strong men in foregin sovereign nations is extremely dangerous and not to mention unconstitutional.
      Back during WW1 and WW2 the people overwhelmingly rejected the notion of intervention. Both the President and Media had to flat out lie to the American people about their intentions. The people seemd to still be wise to the Constitution. Today it appears that even Conservative Constitutional minded people are willing to make all sorts of exceptions for US interventions without even realizing the manifold implications of such efforts. In the case of Egpyt, the guy was an evil SOB and outright dictator who tortured his people not only that he had set up torture camps for American GIs to bring enemy combatants to.

      Back in the 90s seemingly all Republicans cried out when Clinton began bombing Serbia and I believe rightfully so. The Media chose for us which side to choose and which side was the good side without any historical context… We intervened in a damn Civil War! Well I‘m almost speechless and don’t really have the patience or time to lay out a coherent argument but I’ll just say for decades their have been these Internationalist which have desired to use American influence to bring about their desires across the globe and they have for the most part been rejected.
      Today it appears that GB followers and maybe even a majority of so called Republicans are beginning to accept the notion that America should be some sort of global police force. All I can say is that it is an evil notion which the Founders rejected and has always been rejected up until today.

      In a recent speech the evil sob GWB warned America about the three Isms.. Isolationism, Protectionism, and Nativism which used to be called Patriotism. Need I say more? Wake up GB followers.. He’s awesome and I agree with him on about 90% of the issues but you have to keep your guard up. GB is advocating the very same provacative police powers which have been warned about in America for decades.
      Finally, as a conservtive I supported GWB without question for the first two years but the time came when I had to open my eyes and question what he was doing. GWB was wrong on many many accounts and if Obama had of done the very same things you would have screamed from the top of your lunges.. It is ok to question and disagree with GWB. You are probably a Conservative if you do and not if you don’t. GWB was no Conservtive. He was Globalist like his Dad. He deserves our utter contempt as Clinton, Obama and his father does.

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    • HillBillySam1
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:48pm

      @NICKDERINGER
      You forgot the guy in the question mark suit who wrote a book on how to claim free government money…..

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    • brntout
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 12:50pm

      @ NICKDERINGER His current inncarnation Ronald Reagan

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    • Cobra Blue
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:04pm

      Downfall of a country BY DESIGN. Chalk up another one for Soros’ resume….

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    • dr_funk
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:11pm

      @TECHENGINEER11

      America’s naive isolationism almost got our english-speaking european allies wiped off the map.

      Let’s not go praising that sort of ignorance.

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    • davecoolworld
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:21pm

      TECHENGINEER….the muslim brotherhood killed Sadat. Mubarak took over as leader and it was status quo for 29 years.

      There is clear interference from OUR Administration, our socialists, our marxists and our revolutionaries.

      How was your trip to Cairo?

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:22pm

      @ Techengineer
      Your libertarianism will be a fellow traveler of my conservativism up to this point.
      You grossly misrepresent history if you believe America rejected military interventions in WWI and WWII. You blithely call any projection of power “intervention” when the matter of fact is NOT that America is pulling all the strings. Rather, the position of the US in the world SHOULD be such that we have allies in strategic places that help prevent the greater evil, and help promote the greater good. The purpose of power is to be used. The moral challenge of the US is to USE the power in favor of freedom and justice. Not to sit on its hands and allow new despots to arise where less bad despots have failed in the name of “not my problem”.
      This is NOT to say that we have to “intervene” everywhere there is a less than purely American system of government in place. But there’s a huge difference between not getting involved in an internal struggle (like Serbia) and sticking our heads in the sand and pretending a big problem isn’t one (like Egypt). Neither you nor Ron Paul seem to be able to make this distinction, which is why I’m glad or even as unconservative a president as Bush Jr. was in charge.

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    • ADMIRAL747
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:25pm

      @techengineer11
      Let me start off by saying I agree with you on many levels but I need to question your stance, including my own which I’m teetering on.
      Isolationism let Hitler carve up Europe with Russia before we made efforts to supply Britain. Isolationism let Italy run all over North Africa before we had to act. Isolationism would have let 100,000s of thousands if not millions of Afghans be slaughtered if we had not supplied the Mujahideen. Isolationism thereafter set the Taliban and Al-Queda in motion after we left. Isolationism allowed the Shah of Iran to be taken over by the Ayatollahs who are anti-US. Isolationism allows those who do not have our best interests at heart to remain in power or progress in territorial influence and geopolitical strategies that undermine our republic.
      You are right about GWB but we needed congress to approve the Iraq war and I believe we would not be able to bring troops out of Saudi Arabia until removing Sadaam. Let’s not forget that at least 40 countries believed the intelligence regarding WMD. I can’t help but noting the $25,000 gifts by Sadaam to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine. Al-Queda was initially ticked at the US when we were chosen in the first Gulf War by Saudi Arabia to stop Iraq at the Kuwait border and drive them back. Then we did not remove troops from Saudi Arabia, the holy land. This inspired more hate towards the US and the only we could put our Oil masters at ease by leaving is removing Sadaam.
      As I mentioned in the beginning we agree on many things. GWB was not a conservative. The war, although expensive, was not the major component in raising the debt and you will notice the exponential increase when Democrats held the purse after the 2006 elections.
      There is a lot of time that needs to pass by before the results of the Iraq war are felt. There are now legitimate elections and dare I say an ally in Iraq. GWB whacked that in with a hammer, like it or not. Obama did the Jimmy Carter move regarding Egypt in that he withdrew support for Mulbarak who banished the Muslim Brotherhood as a political party and maintained relative peace with Israel. All indications of sentiments on the ground suggested that Iran would become a hard Islamic dictatorship or the Hamaas wouldn’t be voted to power in Palestine. We played the isolationist role on those occasions and how has that helped us? History is repeating itself but this time around we have twitter and youth with tatoos/baseball hats at the helm.. I’m a bit skeptical but not one person alive can say how this will play out. I just hope our Isolationism doesn’t bite us in the ass again.

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    • Jackdaball
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:35pm

      Hope its not the case but we may be witnessing a interesting time in our world.Futher deteriation in the middle east will happen,we all know it,most of us have read the end of the Book.I look at BHO as more of false prophet.There are still many events that must take place before “The One” is identified,that being said,we are moving forward at a break neck pace.Remember if free tatoo’s are offered,take a pass.I believe our currency will be the next major target. Will we be allowed to reverse what appears to be the eventual outcome for a time…..I say continue to fight the good fight.

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    • idrathermisstotheright
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:37pm

      This was done intentionally with the help of his friends.

      Who wins in the end? What do they win?

      This is insane.

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    • MHP
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:38pm

      @NickDeringer

      Yea, we call him the Pharoah, thanks to ElRushbo

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:43pm

      I wonder how much MONEY George Schwartz/Soros (Jewish Hedge Fund owner) made on this REVOLUTION? I wonder if he will redistribute it to the people of Egypt to help them build a Representative Republican Democracy that is “Free, Fair and Balanced”. I seriously doubt that he would. I wonder how the Obama Hedge Fund made out on this also.

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:43pm

      @ NICK

      Erkel

      you missed ERKEL

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 1:48pm

      TECHENGINEER

      I dont even have to see your portfolio (financial)

      To know its crap.

      Your take on the facts in front of you will keep you in poverty.

      Good luck with that.

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    • REDPILLREADY
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:04pm

      The crumbling of the US empire which began 30+ years ago seems poised to accelarate dramatically. All empires in history have failed. Our founding fathers recognized that and tried to keep us from going down this road. We don’t need to be an empire to have a safe, prosperous, and free existence. Actually, trying to be an empire is counterproductive to those objectives. The enormous attention and cost of foreign entanglements combined with the undermining of our core principles internally, brings us to the brink. Ron Paul is the only one speaking to this issue and is advocating dramatic changes in our foreign policy and military posture. I hope this message takes hold while we can still implement needed change in a planned and rational manner.

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    • Jim S
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:17pm

      No country “MUST” love the US. Cuba has gotten along for decades without US support, Soviet help ending over a decade ago. Why the heck do we think we should have ANY say in who rules Egypt? I understand the concern of a Islamic state, but why worry about something we have no control over? I swear, the US is the most paranoid country in the world. Are we going to go to war over oil? Will we send troops if Israel is invaded. If we,TODAY, start building Nuke plants, drill for natural gas and oil, we can be independent. For a few hundred dollars most cars can be modified to run on natural gas. Nuke power will have EXCESS energy, enough to make a electric car a reality. Its simple,the change will have no us or may have great change. Either way, sitting around guessing who is right about the future is a waste of time. We will live with it..WHATEVER it is. Or we can continue to try to buy friends instead of making them.

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    • Grandpa's Attic
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:18pm

      @NickDeringer

      “The Gipper”-Ron Reagan played him in a movie thus got the nickname
      Micheal Jordan-imagine the trash talk on the B-Ball court
      A Pharoho- Note his tour around the ancients when he visited Egypt 2 years ago to make his speech. He saw a sculpture and said, “oh! It looks Just like ME!!”
      Oh and he has stated that he has a “fun house” mirror image of himself…

      Face it the guy is a rubber Chameleon

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:18pm

      REDPILL

      If the United States is an Empire

      Then who is the $#%%# …EMPORER…….. BUSH????

      AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

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    • DashRipRock
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:25pm

      I guess JIM S

      rides a magic UNICORN to work

      because we certainly dont need price stability in OIL

      do we JIM

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    • docvet
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:33pm

      It isn’t just Obama. This has been going on since Eisenhower.

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    • Sparky101
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:35pm

      Techeng. you say “In the case of Egpyt, the guy was an evil SOB and outright dictator who tortured his people not only that he had set up torture camps for American GIs to bring enemy combatants to.
      ” I’ve asked you before for your proof of these torture camps. Please provide your source.

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    • Max jones
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:49pm

      The American progressives that are helping the egyptian radicals gain control will be surprized when they inevitably turn deadly.
      Israel just hit DEFCON 38.
      Ahmadinejad will be emboldened, but he better not relax.
      Young men have few loyalties. The median age for men in the entire arab world is about 25 years. Palestines median age is only 19 and half. Egypt has one of the highest at 29 years.

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    • crusaderinsc
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 2:54pm

      A white, christian president with this guys track record would be impeached, imprisioned, or worse…

      anyone doubting that?

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    • Max jones
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:06pm

      TECHENGINEER…Miss wikileaks yet? I do. There have been globalists in our govt for decades and they have steadily and patiently worked to set us up for the coming enslavement. All I can figure out is that God is angry at our acceptance of abortion and homosexuality and our idolatry. God’s will is such that he will use whatever asset he wants to. to discipline his children, and, boy, are we to blame. We just don’t have any respect, or shame.

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    • ADMIRAL747
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:15pm

      @JIM S
      Cuba has run out of toilet paper, literally. Castro himself claims the Economic model Cuba is under is not sustainable. We H-A-D control over Egypt becoming an Islamist state but your boy Barry Soetoro.blblb.. Obama screwed that up.
      “For a few hundred dollars most cars can be modified to run on natural gas.” What company does this exactly? Paranoid, we need to be with people like you on the inside and Ahmadinejad on the outside.

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    • Mr Caps
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:36pm

      Obama is making history all right, people on the left are already starting to give him credit. As soon as he puts his hand on this he will own it, but I hope he’s smarter than that.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:37pm

      ADMIRAL747 (sorry fo r the length.. you’ll read if you are interested.)
      First of all I thank GB for a conservative blog where conservatives can exchange ideas in a logical fact based manner. I’ll try to address several of the comments all at once paying special attention to the points which you have made admiral.

      You begin with statements about Hitler and Mussolini carving up areas but you fail to mention areas that England, France, and Russia had cared? What about the early American settlers? God bless their souls for being such valiant and courageous men! I’m sure you approved of their pursuit of Lebensraum primarily back in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries right? I know I do and I’m very thankful for it today seeing that live in the strongest, most prosperous and free nations on earth even though we understand that it is currently under assault.

      I don’t want to bs you so I’ll try to cut right to the point but most have never given history much thought other than what the Media has suggested to them and I want people to think and question boldly like GB encourages. So in that vein, what made Hitler’s advances so much more horrifying than say England’s occupation of India? Many will say Hitler wanted to rule the world but that is insane and I won’t even bother going there since we all know that both France and England declared War on Germany first and Hitler wanted no part of it. As a matter of fact I won’t even concede even a potential mistake made by Hitler until the total occupation of Czechoslovakia and even that is debatable because at that point War was already inevitable and it was such a strong interest for Germany.

      Regardless of all the War history people could go back and forth on, WW2 was primarily about the Nuremberg Laws. Hitler separated the Jews from their Media control, from some of their dominance in the banking industry and other spheres of influence. This fact and that fact alone sent the World Jewry into an uproar and the papers are all clear on the fact that in 1933 World Jewry declared War on Germany. You may find that utterly horrendous and contemptible but let’s consider what was going in the USSR at the time. Millions upon millions of their citizens were being slaughtered by an utterly repressive regime but no one in America cared? You had the Holodomor in the Ukraine where estimates of 7-10 million people died of forced starvation while the gov’t was exporting grains. Who was behind this you may ask and why no Media coverage in America at the time? Did we not know? Lol Sure we did.

      Let me wind this down. I think it was 1940 when the Katyn massacre was discovered. Just one of many atrocious Marxist acts which Spielberg and Weinstein don’t seem to be so interested in making movies about. Well that’s their prerogative but what is not a prerogative is for the NY Times to blame the Katyn massacre on the Germans while knowing it was the Marxist which had committed it. After they ran that propaganda piece on top of all other propaganda the Media had put out, American GIs were ready to rip apart every Nationalist in Germany even if it meant destroying women and children in the process..ie carpet bombing. Dresden. I think you see my point.

      You also made the salient point about Sadaam Hussein’s part in paying suicide bombers which is absolutely right and that may be the reason that the lead architects of the War in Iraq were William Kristol, Richard Perle, Ari Fleischer, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, and Douglas Feith..

      Again my point is it seems that we are only interested in going to War when a certain group’s interest is at stake. That is exactly why the Founders warned about entangling alliances.

      By the way once again WW2 was not a good War as the Media proposes. More than half of Europe lived under the most horrific Marxist gov’ts the world has ever known for over 50 years!!! And the only reason why America knows nothing about it was the fact that they were almost all without exception Jews! Consider the Hungarian uprising which started as a Jewish pogrom. Once again America was not so interested in delivering Eastern Europe were we? No problemo but their was hell to pay for the Nuremberg laws… The lesson is that a regime can murder 20 million and America will turn a blind eye but don’t dare separate the Jew from his Media!

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    • AKMIIKEUS
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:42pm

      Great, another Chicken Little.

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    • streetrodder
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:48pm

      @nickderinger You forgot Yard Jockey.

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    • davecoolworld
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 3:55pm

      TECHENGINEER…Here is a summary of all your words. You are challenged and you hate Jews. Your version of history is laughable. See you on the front lines target, I mean sir.

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    • staythecourse
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 4:08pm

      Jackdball,….
      Regarding the mark on the forehead…they are talking about retinal scans for financial transactions, etc. It’s a little below the forehead…but it is above the nose…so maybe that counts as the “mark”.

      I DON’T MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE…SO THE COMMENTS BELOW ARE REALLY DIRECTED TO CATHOLICS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPHECY OF FATIMA…TO ALL OTHERS…. JUST CONTINUE TO PRAY:
      Yes, these times are indeed interesting times. God does not say aloof from his people. A new “tower of babel” has been built… an internet of communication that breaks down barriers of language. What is very interesting is that ALL of this was foretold by the prophecy at Fatima…for those who belief in Catholic prophecy. From the corruption and sex scandals to the spread of Communism /socialism across the globe which includes the down fall of the United States. What is interesting is that it was at Fatima that the Miracle of the Sun occurred. In looking at the ‘mess we’ve gotten ourselves into” it is interesting to note that one of the things that would be able to prevent the total collapse of the world into WWIII , in addition to prayer, is actually a EMP generated by the Sun which would affect the entire globe. I wonder if part of the prophecy of Fatima does not include the Sun after all it WAS the sun that “danced” in the sky that day not so very long ago….behaving in an unexpected way….. just saying….. and praying…

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 4:34pm

      davecoolworld: Ah shucks dave.. Are you one of those GB followers which have never read a book? All you have to do is simply point out which fact you disagree with or question. You don’t have to shoot me dave. lol Yes I’d be considered anti marxist. Yes Karl was Jewish and Marxism is primarily a Jewish movement so you can call me all the names which go along with being anti Marxist..

      You know I have a brother like you dave.. About the most ignorant hard headed stubborn did I say ignorant peson in the world. So I’m use to your approach. Anyway, hope you shoot like you read books… poorly.
      If you want to challenge one of my assertions I‘ll check back but I’m not expecting to find anything from you.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 6:08pm

      Sorry TECHENGINEER…..ADMIRAL is right on the money Germany started WW2 with a false flag operation on the Polish-German border as an excuse to go to war. Hitler, being the insane person that he was, did want Germany to be expansionist and imperialistic. Although he initially proclaimed publicly that he just wanted a strong Germany……..”Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.” — Adolf Hitler

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 6:17pm

      watchtheotherhand: I won’t recommend David Irving to you but try Pat Buchanans newest book “Churchill, Hitler and The Unneccessary War”. Pat has become almost a liberal today but the facts are the facts and Pat does a very good job in his book of detailing them. Poland was not the reason for WW2; the Nuremberg Laws were.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 6:19pm

      I have studied WW2 for years and read many many volumes of work and your assertions are most definitely not what is considered accepted and settled facts. But folks will have to read and judge for themselves. Most who comment on things typically think they’re an expert in the field and therefore, usually very difficult to convince, even if the facts are not on their side.

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    • TEIN
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 6:24pm

      This is just a pre-run for Pres. O….just working some kinks out before he calls for revolution in the USA….those pesky tea partier’s and talk radio guys are making it impossible for progress to occur. Then once 250,000 whining college brats, leftover 60 burnouts, and Unions start to protest, Pres. O will declare that this is the will of the people, executive order martial law, and hand over our country to…..not sure who, but somebody international will be there to take the reigns or Pres. O will retain position with a new consitution in hand with international backing…..just incase anyone objects…

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 6:26pm

      As to the cause of WW2 if we want to get technical we can go back to the end of WW1. Causes are many but the start of the war with regard to actually military action was MOST definitely the false flag operation on the polish border. The politics that led up to it can almost be infinitely regressed. I‘m curious about what you think of Hitler’s own words and his aspirations for the whole world that I quoted???

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    • TheAmericanRifleman
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 7:24pm

      @UpstateNYConservative and NickDeringer

      For those keeping score. So far Professor O’Barry has presented himself ad:

      Abraham Lincoln
      MLK
      JFK
      RFK
      FDR
      The ShamWOW guy
      Ronald Reagan
      Jesus Christ
      and now the Mahdi

      Have I missed any?

      __________________

      The 12th Imam?

      Multiple personality disorder: A neurosis in which the personality becomes dissociated into two or more distinct parts each of which becomes dominant and controls behavior from time to time to the exclusion of the other parts.

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    • lobster
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 9:21pm

      Like WOW!!!! Straight out of Ezekiel, 38 & 39, Daniel 9-12, Rev.19-22. People have been saying this for 1900 years, but folks we are seeing it in front of our eyes.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 9:24pm

      The ‘credit’ is blame. And it’s all his (obama). As far as the ‘unraveling of the American middle east’, well, we paid for what we got. That’s why it was reliable, for a time. Not to forget that the “leaders” were really brutal dictators, the real reason we were able to pay for and get reliable durability from the ‘agreement’ is we had them over the payroll barrel.

      Once the people were properly motivated for and by whatever that was bound to collapse. And it has. Now, it‘s some one else’ gold mine. As we have learned (as if we didn’t know) the collapsing regime leader is found to have billions of dollars stashed.

      I’m not positive, but it seems a bit out of the ordinary that such a person would have such wealth, living in a toilet his entire life. The only reasonable explanation is American pay off for ‘our’ safe passage (Suez) and that Israel is left alone.

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    • JSHarvey
      Posted on February 12, 2011 at 11:14pm

      No, He’ll blame Bush.

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    • Enuff Zenuff
      Posted on February 13, 2011 at 12:11am

      .
      @NickDeringer
      Yes, He’s also presented himself as a Hawaiian and a constitutional scholar.

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on February 13, 2011 at 1:09am

      watchtheotherhand: For starters you most definitely have to go back to WW1 and consider not only the Versailles treaty which the Nationalists considered the stab in the back but also the blockade which the allies mostly England kept on Germany well after WW1 was over resulitng in the starvation of tens of thousands of Germans.
      You know during WW1 the American Media and therefore the Jew was on the side of Germany intiially… Until? Then all of sudden the Germans were eating red cross nurses and pitch forking babies..etc. What happened? lol
      As far as Hitler‘s statement I wouldn’t be surprised if he said something such as that but I woudln’t give it much credibility.. If I had a nickel for all of the things which I could have stated better over the years I’d be a millionaire now. Regardless I’m sure Hitler would have liked a similar sort of racial Nationalism to spread across all European nations and even America. Personally I think the world would be much better off today especially America.
      Still how can one single out Germany when the Marxists did everything which Germany did 100x worse and many things which the Germans didn’t even do.. And if this was all about saving Poland then we made a collosal mistake don’t you think?
      I do not consider myself an expert on history to at all.. If offered more or new information I‘d reconsider any opinion which I’ve formed.. Up until about 5 years ago I literally thought that Hitler was Satan incarnate…

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    • mwconservative
      Posted on February 13, 2011 at 10:43am

      @techengineer11
      thought you were almost speechless. . . .

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    • raleigh99
      Posted on February 14, 2011 at 3:47pm

      We can thank Bill Clinton and his signing the North American Free Trade Act causing jobs to flee the country.

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