Matthews Compares Tea Party to Muslim Brotherhood & Attacks Bachmann, Palin, Beck
- Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:16am by
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Another day on Chris Matthews’s show, another shot at Michele Bachmann (and Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck). It’s starting to become a pattern.
To be fair, there are a couple sentences in this clip by Matthews that could be considered a psuedo-back-handed compliment of the Tea Party (if you work at it). But any redeeming value is quickly erased when he compares said Tea Party to the Muslim Brotherhood, those who are “out for scalps,“ and those ”dancing while they shoot at their feet,“ and then comments on the ”strange behavior“ of Michele Bachmann while lumping her into the category of ”war-hooping nut bags.” (Glenn Beck is in that category, too, it seems.)
And don’t worry, he also offends Sarah Palin supporters by congratulating a conservative guest who said he wouldn’t support her for president, saying he liked the guest because “I know you don’t really think Palin is worth anything.”
According to NewsBusters, this is how Matthews set up the segment before the commercial break:
Up next the Tea Party has all the excitement on the Right and mainstream Republicans are getting scared because the Tea Party is out for scalps. They are going around, well I’m making a reference to the Boston Tea Party, but they were just pretending. They’re going out apparently to unseat three long time Republican senators. Catch these names. Snowe of Maine, Lugar of Indiana, Hatch of Utah. Look out, they’re coming to get you. You’re watching Hardball, only on MSNBC.
NewsBusters has a partial transcript.
A final thought: Is it possible that Matthews was watching some old John Wayne movies in the green room? There were an odd number of “cowboys and Indians” references on the show. Either way, you can be sure that if anyone on the right were to use an “out for scalps” comparison they would be castigated.
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Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:52amComedy Gold! Keep it up Matthews, thanks for the good laughs! What time does his show come on Comedy Central?
Report Post »vorpal
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 7:03pmbingo!
Report Post »He’s like Al Sharpton – the more he talks the better it gets for the other side!
Indeed keep it up!
matt708
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:51amhey beckisnuts nobody forces you to watch Beck, stay with Maddow and Matthews, or they’ll have no one watching them
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:16pmMatt7, I don’t watch any of those programs, nor do I watch WWE, Nascar or bowling. They’re all the same really. Boring, bogus and a waste of time.
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 1:06pm@ likesbecksnuts
Report Post »If you do not watch Beck how do you know what is being said on the show on a daily basis? Are you reading a script that has been handed to you by your superviser? Who do you post for?
Idaho Kirk
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 4:03pm@BECKISNUTS
Why don’t you watch? Is Beck on the same time as “Hanna Montana” where you live?
Report Post »SteelMonkey
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:49amI have been trying to figure out the liberal left for thirty years and I have finally come to the conclusion that they are mentally ill…There is no other explanation!!!
Report Post »sarg356
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:27amThey are immoral.
Report Post »MaggieRose
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:46amI agree! Quit giving this Matthews character air time, The Blaze! His tens of listeners will fade away, and he will go the way of the dodo bird he seems to be!
Report Post »drbob1988
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:45amDon’t acknowledge him. He’s getting free publicity and it is obviously encouraging him to continue his idiotic rants. He‘ll flame out pretty soon and we’ll forget who he was.
Report Post »stpppim
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:43amConservatives will not be successful in persuading people to choose freedom over slavery by stealth. Refresh your conservative thinking by listening to Ayn Rand and her conservative viewpoint. Stop looking at conservatism through the eyes of Marxists.
Report Post »http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reg_ar_library
RN MOM
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:41amMatthews is a male chauvinist pig. He only goes after Backman and Palin because they are women.
Report Post »casey1
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:47amHe is affraid of women, mainly the ones that have the power he does not have.
Report Post »Idaho Kirk
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 4:05pmPalin and Buchannan remind him of all the pretty, smart, fit, happy women that won’t give him the time of day!
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:39amI am so sick of the lefts love of the muslims. If they love them so much, they need to move to the middle east.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:13am@ MIKEM ~~ HEAR! HEAR! Let ALL the left move to the middle east and take all the muslimes here undercover (sleepers) and uncovered with them. We’d like our country back without bloodshed, folks. However, if that’s not possible, get ready because REAL AMERICANS will not go down without a fight! The msm needs to be prayed out of business. Any takers?
Report Post »casey1
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:38amWhy does THEBLAZE keep giving Matthews all this coverage, lets be like the rest of the USA and just ignore him and move on the the next station. But on the other hand it is fun to watch someone make a fool of themselves.
GO CHRIS!
Report Post »FrankSpeak
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:37amLiberals are the ones affraid of the Tea Party.
Report Post »LittleBigMouth
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:36amMan I really see a lot of fear on the part of Matthews. He has to navigate each interview to get the outcome he wants. Hey, Tea Parties your integrity has a serious impact for the good. I hope Matthews is able to expose more of his fear before he joins Olberman. This left crap is obvious to the point now where I’m expecting the Department of Education to join a Tea Party real soon. Chris, keep up the good work. Oh, Oh, and when MSNBC dumps you, PROVDA will hire you on the spot.
Report Post »CaptVideo
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:35amWait a minute…I thought the MSM love the Muslim Brotherhood. So does this mean Christine Matthews is having warm tingles down his leg over the Tea Party?
And he still doesn’t know anything about history.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:34amAnyone who spends as much time as he does thinking about and talking about Beck, Palin, and Bachman MUST have a crush on them. Perhaps he just doesn’t admit to the tingling.
Report Post »DIS3
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:33amPLEASE STOP GIVING THIS DIRT BAG FACE TIME! You are giving him the one thing he can’t get—PR for his stupid ideas. Wake-up Glenn. Y^ou are doing what he wants. Stop and he dfoes the way of other nutjobs.
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:21amJust re-states how stupid and ignorant these people are… And Chris Matthews will be among those known (I say KNOWN) for his ignorance… We must continue to see this and point out their stupidity… eventually they will go away as a result of this.
Report Post »B4tm4n
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:04amNo. Don’t shut him up. We need more speech not less. The left wants to silence opposition speech. I think open discussion and debate will show them for what they are; uninformed, uneducated idiots. Every time they open their mouths they shove their foot in a little farther. It’s great advertising for conservatism and swells the Tea Party ranks.
Report Post »focusonhistory
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:30amI feel like Mathews is following in the steps of Captain Ahab of Melvilles Moby Dick. He is, llike many on the left, are self destructing. There hate has consumed them.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:29amMSNBC has turned into Air America with really neat cameras. Dr. Keith Ablow should do a physiological profile of Chris to find out what’s really bothering him.
That’s it!!! The sixth hour: MSM on the couch with Dr. Ablow. Hazzza!!!
Report Post »SND97
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:28amThen I have the freedom to compare Chris Matthews and MSNBC to any group in past history responsible for Millions of innocent blood being murdered. The only reason Matthews and the left supports abortions for population control, and mainly of the African-American group. They MSNBC and Matthews are pure evil in my opinion, and murderers. Compare that Chris!!
Report Post »jose wasabi
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:28amChris who?
Report Post »Nancy in NC
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:28amMatthews is so full of himself that how anyone could watch this windbag is beyond my comprehension. He twists what people say and the facts so much that truth is lost forever. He thinks by talking fast no one will notive the inaccuracies and falsehoods of what he says.
Report Post »Bluenose177
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:27amI’m sorry guys, but after hearing Stu and Pat totally destroy Matthews on the show yesterday, all I can think about when you talk about him is Stu’s observation that Tingles has an over abundance of saliva when he talks, he’s almost drooling..
like in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRSOxsGhkU
spot the drool coming down his chin
Report Post »BarCalliyon
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:00amI know I’ll never be able to hear him rant the same way again after that as well.
Report Post »TruthisHealthy
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:27amCloseted homosexual Matthews is just like his wannabe male pal Maddcow. They are Anti-American Treasonous enemies within. They are not worth our wasting our time on them.
Report Post »TERMLIMITSNOW
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:26amdooooooooooooooooooooooooo-shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BAG
Report Post »tifosa
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:25amI never see as much of Chris as I do on theblaze.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:33amSadly, my step father is a commie and giggles and mocks the “right” right along with all the hate mongers on this channel. If I want to go downstairs and spend time with my mom, I gotta suffer through this crap. Like I did last night. I saw this garbage live, and I finally had to leave.
Report Post »We have a big, expensive TV, and I can’t afford to replace it if I throw something through it.
drhunt
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:48amMy Sacred Honor-need a suggestion? Like many that have said before…“the truth shall set you free”. First, educate yourself on the subject matter…do your homework…read as much as you can from a variety of sources. Then, simply engage your father-in-law with logic, facts and sources. KEEP YOUR COOL. While aguing your points, remain calm and self-assured. My guess is that before long, his demeanor will change, he will become more illogical, raise his voice, and, ultimately, will resort to name-calling and/or profanity. At that point, it’s game, set, match. You’ve proven your point and exposed him as a bloviating, uneducated liberal, of which there are millions in this country. Tell him he’s in good company, because the POTUS shares his distorted views and lack of historical context.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:59amThanks for the advice! But…the reason I am here is to care for my mother (COPD) and he has some light-weight dementia going on. There IS no arguing the facts with him.
Report Post »Kinda like with BECKISNUTS.
drhunt
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:39amMy Sacred Honor-excuse my intrusion, but let me get this straight…you’re having to care for your mother, because your father-in-law can‘t or won’t, and because he doesn’t have the resources available to hire someone to perform this task? Hmmm…typical liberal. Having to rely on others to do the heavy lifting because his own life resulted in financial failings? Appears there’s much ammunition for a conservative like you appear to be to drive a stake into the heaert of his ideology. Don’t be too concerned about BeckIsNuts…I, myself laid waste to the now defunct Air America blog, and have been removed from the Think Progress site more times than I would care to count, for the same reasons…I laid waste to their mindless drivel and attacks on “all things conservative”. Like your father-in-law, those blogs are full of those that have the entitlement mentality, and/or are incapable of fending for themselves…they are dependant on the gub’mint. It’s remarkable, yet sad to witness what has happened to this once great country, and am glad that my own father, a B-29 pilot in WWII, is no longer on this earth to acknowledge our demise….it’s not what he fought for.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:39pmSacred Honor
your response is agreed to…and like i said…i know you didn’t intent it that way but liberals take any words they can out of context to benefit themselves…but moving on…
sorry to hear about the home front….while i don‘t have commie’s in my family…well…my younger brother did mention over New Years that he thinks a One World Government and currency is a good thing..but then again..he is 30 and still only hangs around with friends that live to play video games online with each other and do live action gaming on the weekends…so he is a little out of touch…
my father is more of an anomoly….here is a JFK era Democrat, my mother too, that grew up in the 60′s, with a WWII veteran father and a Vietnam Veteran older brother and an active Republican mother, yet he is also a teacher. Growing up all we heard about was how the union screwed things up with education. We were taught personal responsibilty and independence. We were taught God and Country and Family above all else. I have heard and seen him rant about the illegals killing our economy, the welfare addicts that just need to get a job and a life (this from a man that at 13 was working nearly full time to help pay the family bills due to being a child of divorce at 11), and the encroachment of the government into our lives with over burdensome taxes and regulations…. but when you challenge the Federal screw up of education…he goes all ultra-liberal on you. It is weird to see him believe in the tenants of Reagan Conservatism but think that Reagan was the worst President ever simply because he expanded the debt and tried to kill the Department of Education. It is funny even more that today JFK would have to run as a Republican with his ideals of lower personal and corporate taxes to stimulate the economy, a strong national defense and fighting against tyranny and communism, personal responsibility, and the exceptionalism of America. Granted he was also a big social spender…sort of like both Bush’s.
Report Post »So I have a moderately Republican father, an even more conservative mother..both of whom vote Democrat fanatically simply because that is the party of JFK and the Republicans are the party of Reagan…go figure….
constitutionaldirective
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:21amBUT… REALLY Chris.. We haven’t played Cowboys and Commies yet.. You’ll be the Commie … WE’LL be the Cowboys.. OK? READY… GO!… (Silly Commie!)
Report Post »TruthisHealthy
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:24amGreat post! :)
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:30amBut….don’t all commie countries ban guns from citizens?
Report Post »Not really a fair fight….
But would still be a fun game!
what4
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:04amI wanna play!!!!!!! Got **** on my boots and mud on my hat! Rolled up my sleeves and bearing my arms!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:47amMy Sacred Honor, they can try to ban them here, but that doesn’t meant they will get them.
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 1:02pmBloomberg is doing his best right now to move his anti gun agenda forward.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:21amThe saying is, “It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”. In Matthew’s case, please continue to open your mouth because at the end of the year someone will put together a “fool’s award” and I think Chris is the front runner. And, amazingly enough, he does it with a straight face (or is that just a blank look).
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:24amPffft Maof this fool removed any and all doubt a loooong time ago. People like him are finished, they will not last. It doesn’t matter if the free market decides or their status as useful idiots is up, they are finished.
Report Post »Lesterp
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:26amWhen it turns out all the conservatives are right, the left will act like they knew it all along. Sort of like Pee-Wee Herman when he would say “I meant to do that”.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:29am*YAWN* *click*….next channel.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:29amTHE TYRANT & THE TEA PARTY
When President Obama took office the “change you can believe in” was finally exposed to be just another name for tyranny. Spontaneous demonstrations of concerned patriots sprung up to protest the assault on our freedom. The tyrants were not very concerned; surely a huge majority would understand the advantages of security and unearned income over the freedom and the prosperity of Capitalism. Certainly, large crowds would shout down these reactionaries. All that was needed was a little encouragement. However, the movement was a distraction to the masses and the truth is always dangerous to the tyrant’s agenda. Immediate action was necessary.
The patriots had to be discredited before they could gain momentum. For years, the wannabe tyrants had incredible success discrediting the opposition by labeling it “RACIST”; this bunch of loosely organized malcontents, the “Tea Parties”, would be no different. After all, the new President was black. It would be easy to convince the populous that the opposition to his programs could only be base upon racism. Mr. Obama’s particular brand of tyranny was the culmination of over 100 years of slow methodical advances in benevolent coercion (tyranny). After all, the Progressive’s agenda had enjoyed over 100 years of popularity. There could be no rational reason to oppose the Progressive’s program now except that the advocate was black.
Having almost total control of the “main stream media”, the wannabe tyrants expected a quick resolution to the threat. They unleashed the preponderance of propaganda demonizing all opposition to the tyrant’s benevolent program and declaring the malcontents to be racist. The premise was that these benevolent programs were clearly in the public interest so that only an irrational personal defect such as racism could be the cause of opposition. The tyrants flooded the media with claims from politicians, celebrities and progressive organizations such as the NAACP that the tea parties were racist and evil by nature. Of course, the claims were bogus. Ayn Rand’s book “ATLAS SHRUGGED”, published in 1957, took issue with all of Mr. Obama’s agenda, long before Mr. Obama even had an agenda. With such a flood of propaganda, the destruction of the Tea Party movement was imminent.
The midterm congressional elections were approaching rapidly and the tyrants redoubled efforts to demonize the Tea Party. Even the Rinos, (Republicans in name only) reinforced the tyrant’s message. The Tea Parties had to be totally discredited before the election. The tyrants flooded the mainstream media with misinformation, how could anyone associated with the tea parties hold their head up in public after being branded as evil racist. But a strange thing happened; the Tea Party participation increased, as did the demonstrations supporting candidates that oppose Mr. Obama’s agenda. But the tyrants were not worried. They were confident that the people would people respond to the overwhelming publicity of the preponderance of propaganda? The tyrants were sure that the November 2010 elections would crush the Tea Parties, forever.
The November 2010 elections were a disaster for the wannabe tyrants and a victory for the Tea Party. The tyrants lost control of the House of Representatives, lost many Governorships and almost lost control of the Senate. It was an impossible victory for the Tea Party and freedom. Worst yet, the victory increased the Tea Party’s momentum.
Of course the tyrants did not admit defeat. Instead, they blame the poor results on the failure of the voters to understand their agenda. They vowed to correct the misunderstandings and explain the virtues of their agenda to the masses. The tyrants, undeterred from their objectives, continued to enact legislation to advance their agenda during the lame duck session that followed the election. Yet, privately the tyrants were in a panic, seeing that power slip away and the momentum of the Tea Party growing.
With almost total control of the mainstream media, the preponderance of propaganda was unable to demonize and destroy the Tea Parties. They must have been very surprised at how little truth it takes to counteract the false premises and lies.
In accordance with their tactics the wannabe tyrants have increase the repetition and quantity of misinformation. Their top priority is now to limit or eliminate sources of the truth. Distortion and lies will be used to convert any event into an issue that supports silencing the opposition. The propaganda disseminated about the assassination attempt on Congresswoman Giffords is typical of their efforts. They must silence dissent if the wannabe tyrant’s agenda is to be successfully implemented.
The wannabe tyrants will stop at nothing to silence the truth! Both Hitler’s and Mussolini’s first priority upon obtaining power was control of the media. So far, President Obama has been unable to totally control the media. Having seen how little truth is required to discredit misinformation, silencing the opposition is now the wannabe tyrant’s primary objective! Claiming that the violence from a left-leaning lunatic, with no ties to the Tea Party, is caused by the Tea Party’s rhetoric demonstrates their desperation.
If the wannabe tyrants are successful in using the government’s monopoly on force to silence the political opposition, the American Revolution is lost!
Flooding the mainstream media with propaganda trying to convert an event into an issue has a second advantage to the wannabe tyrants. Attention is diverted from the repeal of Obama care.
THE SOLUTION? THROW THE RASCALS OUT!
For more on the tyrant’s tactics read Chapter 5, “Wannabe Peers Strategy And Tactics”, in the book “21st CENTURY COMMON SENSE”.
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:30amAmazing that he can equate a peacful contingient of the right to a group of the left. Why can’t he just leave it alone? When was the last rally of the Tea party that had anyone FROM the Tea party arrested? The left then protest meetings of the Tea party and has 20 people arrested for disorderly conduct. I guess that means they are close to being the same as the left?
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:35amHowever, I DO have this link that applies on here….VERY important for everyone to watch….
watch this interview of a former soviet KGB operative who defected to the United States. He is explaining the infiltration tactics the Soviets used for years to turn America inside out and communist.
This interview was conducted in 1985.
It will scare the hell out of you when you see that what this man is describing is happening RIGHT NOW and has BEEN happenning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS8LA-5fmrs
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:38amBeck’s bogus “COMING INSURRECTION” and the rest of his far out conspiracies are making true conservatives a laughing stock. The sooner people realize what a snake oil salesman Beck is the sooner this nation will be on its way to healing itself and moving forward again. The decline in Glenneth’s ratings gives hope, but until Beck says goodbye and climbs down his missle silo to wait for the Mormon Jesus to arrive, his fear-mongering will be something we’ll all have to endure.
Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:47amChris Matthews: the product of a liberal education.
What a waste of money.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:47am@ BECKISNUTS
Report Post »As will we all have to endure your mindless, baseless obsessive-compulsive rants on here.
Why all this hate for Beck, BTW? What did he ever do to you?
Or is it you got beat up a LOT in school and want to be a “big tough guy” in the one place you can….securely behind a keyboard?
I’m NOT making fun of you here, but sometimes I am fascinated by your psyche. What drives you SO crazy about Beck? He researches, puts together his info, and presents it to whatever audience will listen. If you disagree, then do YOUR research. Make YOUR arguement. So far, all I’ve ever heard from you is “Beck is crazy and all you who listen to him are stupid”
PLEASE explain that one to us!
GeorgieJo
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:49amGrandMa I agree
Report Post »Chris M needs to keep spewing his moonbat rhetoric
He might win the 2011 Moonbat Award….
sissykatz
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:52amMaybe it’s a good thing Matthews keeps talking about Michele, it keeps her name out there and we all know if Matthews is“ against” someone they have to be pretty good people.But he really does seemed to be obsessed with her, it is almost to the point of being spooky.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:53amBECKISNUTS, I guess you didn’t read my suggestion to “move along”. No one on this site wants you to die laughing and no one really cares about the racist, naive opinions you write. However, it is your “right” to say them and, at least for now, you still have that right without having your tongue cut out.
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:03amMysacredhon, your childish rant aside, it does amaze one to see how gullible people like yourself are. There is no “COMING INSURRECTION” and that’s a fact. Have you ever stopped to consider the fact that most other rational conservative voices do not rant on endlessly about “INSURRECTIONS” “THE ARM OF GOD” and all the other fantasy Glenn spoon feeds you Becklers? As for Glenn’s “research,” – his collection of nonsense he claims as fact and the manner in which he connects the dots to arrive at his far-out, fantastical predictions, is pure hogwash. Anyone that buys into Beck’s act is being misled and taken advantage of. Wake the hell up to reality. Why do you think he’s losing audience and sponsors???? Beck Is Nuts.
jgeezy
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:04amChris Matthews has a complex I think. He constantly is attacking attractive women. Because he sees them as the girls that denied him at prom. Don’t be suprised if the cops discover a Michelle Bachman shrine in his basement.
http://practicalpolitician.wordpress.com/
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:05amWho even watches this delusional windbag anymore? Progressives have lost their message as more and more Americans no longer believe their PC lies, and now they’re getting desperate…
Civility? Give me a break! As always, it’s do as they, the Liberal Left, say; not as they do!
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:05amGrandmaof, your Jesus would rather frown on your evil talk of cutting out tongues. Maybe one of your fellow delusional pals here will pray for you. Off you go crazy lady.
sWampy
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:06amPot calls kettle black, morons believe pot, pots and morons start calling kettle black, idiots believe morons and pot…….
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:11ambeckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:05am
Grandmaof, your Jesus would rather frown on your evil talk of cutting out tongues. Maybe one of your fellow delusional pals here will pray for you. Off you go crazy lady.
FINALLY an answer! “your Jesus ”. So you hate Beck so much because of your religious differences with him. THAT explains it all! So would you mind telling us what YOUR religion is? I’m guessing either catholic or none at all.
Report Post »Marcobob69
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:12amHey, can the crap over there, there are more important things for The Blaze and other publications that are actually read, watched or listened to to report on. It’s the same story that has been posted here for the last, well since The Blaze started; “MATTHEWS COMPARES TEA PARTY TO MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD & ATTACKS BACHMANN, PALIN, BECK“ Enough with the diatribe from these ”reporters”, that have nothing better to “report” than GARBAGE that nobody cares about. Comcast, why do you still let these shills for the progressives keep spouting their diarrhea every day? Don’t you want to improve your ratings? Are you like these people, and don’t care what kind of program you produce, as long as there is bashing going on? Here’s a suggestion, why not hire Jeffrey Immelt to be your CEO since you don’t seem too interested in RATINGS! MS-LSD’s ratings went into the toilet under his(and GE’s) “expert” leadership! Maybe that’s why he was hired by the Obama Empire!!!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:17am“do not rant on endlessly about “INSURRECTIONS” “THE ARM OF GOD” and all the other fantasy Glenn spoon feeds you Becklers?”
I guess we believe Beck because we alREADY believed what he is saying before we even heard of him. I believe the Bible, I believe Jesus, I believe Revelations. And my opinion is islam as a body is the antichrist. And NOT because Beck told me.This video will blow EVERYONE“S doors off as the ”mark of the beast” is re-translated not from Greek as some assumed from the first written appearance of the “number” but is actually arabic. And is what is written on almost every muslim flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbCMWz5jkLQ&feature=related
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:21am@Beckisnuts
Report Post »Way to side step the questions. You offered no proof to your refudiation, just more insults. Calling people stupid for seeing something and doing research to try to get people to question their beliefs is no way to win an argument, it is a way to be a bully. So you are saying that the “Hogwash” research of Beck collecting what these people (mostly progressive/liberals) are saying and then showing you that the ones in America and the ones in the Middle East are saying the samething is crazy? Would you have been one of those people that believed the fighting in Germany between 1937-1942 was just a little fued and nothing for us to worry about? Just because the fighting isn‘t happening on our soil doesn’t mean that it can’t make the jump.
Tony
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:26amLets hope NBC/Soros keeps Chris on the air. What better spokesman for the far left branch of the Progressives than Chris….save Ed Shultz possibly.. No one better demonstrates the absurdity of their ideas and the evil they represent. I wish Keith would come back. After three hours of these three, even Hitler would be repulsed.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:38amI can’t wait until 2012 when Conservatives (tea party) take control of the House, Senate and White House.
If you think these Socialists talking heads are apoplectic now!! WOOOOO!
We are not done yet!
Report Post »Vote 2012
Cobra Blue
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:40amI know Chris Matthews is a joke, but he is dutifully doing his part for the Regime to set the table of hatred against anything conservative in this country so when the chaos begins all they have to do is refer back to previous broadcast and carry the news forward. The biggest problem with nut jobs like Matthews are all the SHEEPLE that listen to him and others like him on a regular basis. Course all the Soros and Piven soldiers like it too. All these broadcast will become more fuel for their hate filled rhetoric down the road. If we think this kind of rhetoric is bad now, just give it a little more time. Look how far the rhetoric has slipped into the gutter just since Obama was elected. Or since the November elections even. The liberal progressive media is emboldened like never before. They have nothing to fear because they have the full support of the Regime.
Report Post »matinva
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:47am@BECKISNUTS
Report Post »Where is YOUR research to demonstrate that Glenn is incorrect? I have read many of your posts here and you have failed to illustrate or prove Glenn wrong on even a single point. You like to call him names. Rich! Basically, all Glenn does is show video clips of you clowns on the left and it’s case closed. You can‘t dispute the comments of Van Jones or Anita ’Mao‘s my hero’ Dunn, John Holdren, the Science Czar who wrote this in a book he co-authored in 1977 “”population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution.”, or Cass Sunstein who wrote a book called “Animal Rights” in which he proposes that animals should have the right to sue over mistreatment, or Barry ‘Let’s spread the wealth around‘ Soetoro or any of the others in the vast array of far left wackos who’s video and audio clips have outed them for their Socialist and, in some cases, Communist intentions. America wasn‘t founded for or by these enemies of our freedom but you seem to think they’re all just fine. The problem in America is people like you who continue to walk around, and for the life of me I don’t understand how you do it, with your head completely up your a$$. Before you come back here and make a fool of yourself again, why don’t you do YOUR homework. Prove Glenn wrong. We don’t want to hear your BS. Just prove him wrong or STFU. Until you do, your credibility among those of us who DO our own research is ZERO!
tobywil2
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:56amBECKISNUTS:
Your premises are false!
When the premise is false the only arguments that can be used are fear mongering, emotion, sarcasm, ridicule, attacking the messenger and misrepresentation of the facts (lying). Those who expect to reap huge profits from our misery caused by tyranny are experts at these tactics.
The only relevant issue is freedom or tyranny!!!!
http://commonsense21c.com/
Report Post »Cobra Blue
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 9:59amBeckIsNuts
You are obviously not as stupid as you sound,,,Or are you? Maybe ignorant. Or uneducated? I refer you back about 3-4 years ago when people were calling the takeover of the auto industry, the banks, student loan programs, mortgage industry and healthcare, etc as comspiracy theory thinking. And just LOOK where we are now. All those conspiracy theories which I am certain you labeled as such all came true. No! I think you are just an angry liberal that hates anything that even looks conservative. In short…you are a FOOL. That’s OK…folks like you will have no place to run and hide when the Egyptian Street Party comes to town. The Bible warns against arguing with a FOOL. I understand why.
Report Post »WhiteTeaParty
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:02amGlenn Beck and Sarah Palin are constantly talking about restoring our Constitution.
They want to get our Constitution back. I did not know that it had gone away.
They have created this aura that since Barack Obama was inaugurated somehow our Forefathers have been affronted.
from the crazies who claim that President Obama was born in Kenya and is not a citizen, and therefore sits in the presidency in violation of the Constitution, I am at a loss to know what it is they are talking about.
Other than the health care legislation, which faces a legitimate challenge on the basis that it requires all citizens to buy insurance and does not come within the power of Congress to tax, I know of no other claim, no less a legitimate one, that the current administration has violated the Constitution.
What I find remarkable is the suggestion that the President’s agenda (whether successful or not) of caring for the poor, the sick, the elderly, the uneducated and the unemployed has somehow dishonored the country and poses a danger to it.
Apparently in the eyes of Glenn Beck these “socialistic” goals are un-Christian and are to be feared. I do not pretend to be an expert on the Bible, but I thought those precepts were the very foundation of Christianity.
Do they become less so because they are provided by the government?
They have been convinced that there is a danger out there that does not exist.
If our honor was lost, it was through the invasion of Iraq, wire tapping of American citizens, the torture and rendition of suspected terrorists, imprisoning persons for years without charges or hearings, allowing greed to prevail over regulation and our woeful response to Hurricane Katrina.
If those were the good old days for which Mr. Beck and Ms. Palin yearn, then he is right, we all should start praying.
Report Post »xredcoat
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:06amIf the Muslim Brotherhood were the Tea Party Mr. Matthews, they would not allow the influence of Hamas and Islamic Jihadies to get a foothold in Egypt and get their hands on the military hardware.
Report Post »It was Kefaya that exploited information technology to empower a Tea-Party like uprising. If you are going to hand out kudo’s, get your facts straight bonehead. The Liberal Left Media are ignoring Egypt’s Tea Party-like Kefaya movement just like they did prior to Nov. 2nd 2010.
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:24amVery well done, WhiteTeaParty. BECKISNUTS could take lessons from you.
Report Post »I agree that the patriot act WAS unconstitutional, but there are many other examples of where this current administration have violated the Constitution, and I‘ll be happy to provide those examples later after I’ve had more coffee and done a bit of browsing.
But thank you for the shining example of how to properly argue without mockery or condescention.
AzDebi
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:24amWould you be MY Grandma? You ALWAYS seem to get it RIGHT…just like she did!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:40amWell, off the top of my head, speaking of the patriot act, which began the “repeal” of the 4th amendment,
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
big sis has continued on that mission with the absurd TSA searches at airports. Metal detectors should be used, and if the alarm goes off, that satisfies the “probable cause” to search without a warrent. But for everyone to be subjucted to either a full body scan or a full body molestation DEFINATELY violats the 4th amendment.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:44amBeckisnuts, I wish someone would grab you, give you a hug and show you what it feels like to be loved.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:49amIt’s more like *LAUGH HISARICALLY* *YAWN* *click*….next channel.
If he cared even a little about the truth he would know the TEA party is the exact opposite of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Report Post »drhunt
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 10:55amWhiteTeaparty-your post is wrong on so many levels, it’s difficult what points to address first. Beck is NOT just about restoring the Constitution, but implores us to restore honor…personally. Faith, Hope and Charity has been his mantra for many months which does NOT reference a Constitutional amendment or clause. Your statement that BO has not usurped his authority as POTUS, except, in your words, with the Health Care Law is laughable, at best. I can site several examples. First, can you tell me where in the Constitution it allows the Prez to fire a CEO of a privately held company? How about the placement of the UAW ahead of the primary bond holders in a BK judgement, (and don’t tell me that because an activist judge ruled it OK, it makes it legal)? Now…considering the context of the Clean Water Act of 1972, isn’t it the responsibility of the federal government to restore our waterways and protect the public? So therefore, BO was negligent in his duties when the Gulf Oil disaster struck…it was his responsibility, not BP’s, once that oil reached the surface. Criminal negligence? I think so…certainly a case can be made, considering how he spent his time after the rig blew. Redistribution of wealth is NOT a part of the Constitution, in fact the founders tried VERY hard to restrict it, and the “powers” that have been thrust upon us.
Report Post »Angelacw
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:09am*sigh* Chris Matthews and his extreme ignorance… I have to remind myself that he isn’t really all that bright, and he is so easily influenced by the hate group that most people call “progressives”. He clearly isn’t capable of independent or analytical thought, so he is the perfect mouth piece for hate. It’s sad to see this ignorant, chubby, and unattractive man child being so blatantly manipulated and used by people who desire nothing more than to spread their hate and to ultimately bring down America. I feel sorry for him. He has more money than me, and his “own” TV program, but he sold his soul. I will pray for him because he knows not what he does.
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:10amMadam, I believe he does it with a blank look and that is due to the fact that his brain doesn’t work so well. I could say he is on the left but I don’t believe that anymore. I believe his brain just doesn’t work like the rest of us. I truely believe he thinks the more drivel he spews the more intelligent he sounds. Thats what occurs when your brain is fried from what God only knows. God bless
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:12amMy Sacred Honor
Report Post »People with no facts but who still want to disagree have no ammunition in their mental armory except personal attacks. BIN attacks because he knows only that he is mad, but nobody told him exactly why. I was trying to have a discussion with a leftie and when he ran out of bs in his pathetic attempt to argue he started attacking my Christianity, he went so far as to verbally attack Christ. BTW what is your problem with Catholics?
ablisterin
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:29amOut of their hate for conservatives and Christians, the left has formed an “Unholy Alliance” with radical islam. “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.”
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:37amHonesty I didn’t watch the Video. What was the point. It’s like listening to the same song over and over again. He is so predictable I know what he is going to say before he does.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:39amKATE Good mornin’! Nothing, but the catholics that I know typically despise, even hate mormons as “heretics”. I’m just trying to figure this kid out….he is the most hate-filled poster on here!
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:42amI’ve posted this tidibit before for you Becklers, and here it is again. This is just one example of Glenn’s lack of judgement. Do you remember the Birchers? The John Birch Society possessed such a mainstream message—the existence of a Communist world system with tentacles in the United States—that it had a potent influence over whole sections of the Republican Party. It managed this even after its leader and founder, Robert Welch, had denounced President Dwight D. Eisenhower as a “dedicated, conscious agent” of that same Communist apparatus. Right up to the defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964, and despite the efforts of such conservatives as William F. Buckley Jr. to dislodge them, the Birchers were a feature of conservative politics well beyond the crackpot fringe.
Report Post »Now, here is the difference. Glenn Beck has not even been encouraging his audiences to reread Robert Welch. No, he has been inciting them to read the work of W. Cleon Skousen, a man more insane and nasty than Welch and a figure so extreme that ultimately even the Birch-supporting leadership of the Mormon Church had to distance itself from him. It’s from Skousen’s demented screed The Five Thousand Year Leap (to a new edition of which Beck wrote a foreword, and which he shoved to the position of No. 1 on Amazon) that he takes all his fantasies about a divinely written Constitution, a conspiratorial secret government, and a future apocalypse. To give you a further idea of the man: Skousen’s posthumously published book on the “end times” and the coming day of rapture was charmingly called The Cleansing of America. A book of his with a less repulsive title, The Making of America, turned out to justify slavery and to refer to slave children as “pickaninnies.” And, writing at a time when the Mormon Church was under attack for denying full membership to black people, Skousen defended it from what he described as this “Communist” assault.
VRW Conspirator
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:43amSacred Honor….
and here i was just going to compliment you on your rational arguements and the information in the links you were posting and then you spout off and do something STUPID like saying BeckisNuts must be a Catholic, “I’m guessing either catholic or none at all “ when he uses the phrase of ”your Jesus.”
umm…this just goes to prove that one wrong phrase or word or even gesture or look can ruin your entire ability to debate and have people believe anything you say…your are guilty of what you condemn other for…you have lumped an IDIOT like BeckisNuts into a group “Catholics” and shown your own bigotry against the Catholic faith and those that follow it.
as a Roman Catholic, I find this incredibly mean spirited and spiteful on your part. you have done what Glenn, MLK, Gandhi, and others have said NEVER to do..you have judged not by content and character but by race, color, or in this case religion. Personally, I believe what the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II believed, that there is more that unites us than divides us. If this man could spend nearly 3 decades trying to unite the Catholics, Orthodox, Methodists, Anglicans and Episcopalians back under one Body of Christ because of what we share in common, why can’t all Christians get back the differences and focus on the ties that bind.
Now BeckisNuts probably is an atheist or agnostic if anything, usually people that speak about “your Jesus” in that tone, are not Christian. I would argue that even those that say they are Christian and speak of other Christian denominations in that way are not TRUELY Christian either.
Luther (a Catholic monk) had no problem with Catholics, only the Church heirarchy, neither did Calvin, Wesley, or most of the promonent and relevant Reformation leaders. John Wesley even stated as much to large crowds that sought to condemn all Catholics are heretical (the stupid whore of Babylon arguements for the fringe NUTS in Christianity). If Wesley believed Catholics were Christians and the most recent Popes believes/believed Protestants and Orthodox and Mormons are Christians, why do we, those that follow their teachings and the teachings of Jesus, believe different?
this is how and why the left get people to believe that the Tea Party are all evangelical fanatics that want a Christian Theocracy in the United States. this is how white supremisists get crowds to follow them against the “evil Jews” and “lesser races.” this is why we can not get the government to understand that we all want immigration reform, we just want those here to go home first and be LAWFUL immigrants, not illegals and it has nothing to do with them being Mexican or latino or any other race, we just want the LAW followed.
Report Post »Obama isn’t right about much but he was right would “words have meaning and consequences.”
Next time you speak, try to keep your own emotional entanglements outside the arguement. I am sure you have no malice towards another simply because his faith is not your faith, so why let it come out when you speak about an idiotic comment by someone that was intentional done to insite the response you gave. As Glenn says, “don’t play the game.”
beckisnuts
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 11:47amVRW Conspirat, why get angry at another just because their delusions are different from your own?
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:06pmUm…VRW, probably you didn’t catch my post to KATE while you were writing that. I have NOTHING against Catholics, but I can see how the way I wrote what i said can be taken WAY out of context. Please look at my post, just before yours.
Report Post »OH. And I wasn’t implying that all Catholics are angry nutjobs like this kid (if he is one). Not at all! I can point to an angry nutjob within my OWN “religion”….in fact, a whole GROUP of them: The westboro baptist church. Any group you put under a microscope will have their own crazy radicals. I am a former Marine. You want nutjobs? How bout Lee Harvey Oswald. Marine. Charles Whitman. Marine.
I was just trying to figure this guy out, why he is so mad at Beck.
My apologies Sir, and to anyone else whom my poorly stated post may have offended. That was not my intention.
pajamash
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:07pmThe Reason Sal Russo couldn’t defend Michelle Bachmann is because Chris Mathews would let him get a word in. Mathews kept on interupting Mr. Russo. Yelling at him.
Report Post »pajamash
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 12:14pmWhy should any conservative HELP Chris Mathews and the left try to destroy Ms. Palin?
Report Post »Kalish
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 1:14pmWish someone would cap and trade this idiot
Report Post »WTH
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 3:16pmPMSNBC and the Blamestream media logic:
I have a dog named Gernando.
Gernando is always home at 7:30pm.
It is now 8:00pm, therefore I can assume that Gernando has been kicked in the head by a mule (most likely owned by a Tea Party member).
On our suggestion Congressman Aswype (D) is now putting forth immediate legislation to restrict ownership of any hoofed animals with LDS (leftwing derangement syndrome) by Tea Party members.
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 3:23pmBeckisNuts, the folks here are going to ignore your post since acknowledging it would require them to confront why they like listening to and agreeing with a guy as crazy and extremist as Beck. But here’s a question for you: does Beck really believe all that stuff or does he just pretend to because he knows that he can make a lot of money by peddling those ideas? I mean he has friends in high places (e.g., the Koch brothers) who are themselves extreme Birchers (I’m told one of them turned Beck onto those ideas in the first place), but those extreme right-wing ideas ideas clearly serve their wealthy private interests. My guess is that the same holds true for Beck. Thoughts?
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 3:46pmBeckisnuts – the first time, that I can recall, you post something here as a defense of your position, you actually just copy and paste a portion of a Vanity Fair article. Nice work, but copying someone else’s article in no way to garner credibility. Not only are you a troll, you are a plagiarist. I‘d actually feel sorry for you if you weren’t such a tool.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 3:52pmHere ya go, BeckisNuts. As a followup to my last post – Since you claim your position to be a copy of a Vanity Fair article, I‘ll post a link to the text along with another person’s specific response included to your, …. er…um.. someone else’s, rediculous premise:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/01/09/the-left-continues-to-smear-glenn-beck-the-tea-party-with-its-skousen-shellgame-1/
Report Post »abc
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 5:43pmRogue, the problem is that the Beck’s rhetoric extends well beyond the 28 principles you cite. He makes outlandish claims about Obama and liberals being a threat to America’s very existence, as though they are hardline Stalinist Communists. This, of course, is total rubbish, but it fits the critique that Christopher Hitchens has highlighted in the article cited and in comments he has made elsewhere. And he is not alone. Other highly regarded intellectuals like Simon Schama have done the same. Beck himself has publicly thanked the Koch Brothers for turning him onto Birch, and he recommends historical accounts that fit into that particular (and, dare I say, radical) view.
As for the 28 principles, the devil is in the details, whichi s not articulated in the list you referenced:
First Principle: The only reliable basis for sound government and just human relations is Natural Law.
John Locke and Jacque Rousseau would have argued forever over what natural law means, so it’s a good thing that it is defined there.
Second Principle: A free people cannot survive under a republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.
Virtue and ethics also have been debated from Socrates time down to ours, so it’s again wonderful that there is no effort to define this.
Third Principle: The most promising method of securing a virtuous and morally stable people is to elect virtuous leaders.
See critique of 2nd principle
Fourth Principle: Without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained.
Tell that to the Iranians, who have more religion in their government than we have, but less freedom. Tell that to historians of ancient Greece, who saw freedom emerge in Athens when the gods were worshipped a little less zealously.
Fifth Principle: All things were created by God, therefore upon Him all mankind are equally dependent, and to Him they are equally responsible.
Tell that to today’s physicists, who are mostly agnostic, and who can explain all of creation (except about the first nanosecond) without the help of God. I think Stephen Hawking was quoted late last year saying that we don’t need God to explain much of anything nowadays.
Sixth Principle: All men are created equal.
Good, because I wanted to play in the Super Bowl this Sunday after making a Nobel Prize worthy discovery in chemistry the day before…
Seventh Principle: The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not provide equal things.
What is the difference between the right to life and the things that make that right mean something? If I have a right to my life, but have no means to save it, then do I really have that right?
Eighth Principle: Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
Or perhaps, they just learned over time that those rights make the world a better place, creator-given or otherwise…
Ninth Principle: To protect man’s rights, God has revealed certain principles of divine law.
Which divine laws? Those in the Koran, Torah, New Testament? What about the works of Confucius or the Buddha?
Tenth Principle: The God-given right to govern is vested in the sovereign authority of the whole people.
I thought the law-given right to govern is vested in the winner of lawful elections. This 10th principle seems to imply that we need unanimity or just agreement amongst those who declare themselves messengers of God. Either way, it isn’t the government or system that we have.
Eleventh Principle: The majority of the people may alter or abolish a government which has become tyrannical.
Nice that you didn’t define tyrannical, so Beck can call for the abolition of Obama’s government. Also, this is not quite how our government works. We don’t simply abolish a government because we think it tyrannical, although other nations do have votes of no-confidence under a Parliamentary system. We have elections regularly to vote people out. We can also impeach the President. We do not call
Twelfth Principle: The United States of America shall be a republic.
Okay.
Thirteenth Principle: A constitution should be structured to permanently protect the people from the human frailties of their rulers.
It’s called the Constitution and Bill of Rights, which are not democratic but put some rights outside of a vote. Conservatives do not like these when it comes to protecting my right to pornography, freedom from prayer in a public school or gay marriage (which should properly be viewed as an equal protection issue), and liberals don’t like it when it comes to guns.
Fourteenth Principle: Life and liberty are secure only so long as the right to property is secure.
Not quite. It often happens that people without property do not enjoy security of their life and liberty under this principle. And this is a violation of Principles 6 and 8 above. Also, those with loads of property typically have more security in life and liberty than the rest of us, which is a violation of Principle 7. If you do not believe this, then you must think that OJ Simpson went to jail for murder and Dick Cheney was punished for violating international laws that were ratified and made US law by our Congress…
Fifteenth Principle: The highest level of prosperity occurs when there is a free-market economy and a minimum of government regulations.
Devil in the details. Prosperity was higher after WWII when regulations became larger than in the period between the Civil War and WWII. Also, prosperity should be defined. If the Gini coefficient is very high, then aggregate prosperity is high, but prosperity for the majority could be quite low.
Sixteenth Principle: The government should be separated into three branches — legislative, executive, and judicial.
And those branches should be independent, which means that the justices on the Supreme Court should not engage in political behavior, as Scalia, Thomas and others have done. It also means that Congress should not serve as a rubber stamp as it did under Bush for six long years.
Seventeenth Principle: A system of checks and balances should be adopted to prevent the abuse of power.
Those checks and balances should extend beyond the traditional ones to include guards against monied interests controlling all three branches of government as it clearly does. This system might require that certain rights are limited in order to preserve the integrity of the entire system. No more secret holds, anonymous and unlimited political donations, etc.
Eighteenth Principle: The unalienable rights of the people are most likely to be preserved if the principles of government are set forth in a written constitution.
And citizens should understand that their plain language reading of it may not reflect what the justices who are empowered to interpret the document might have ruled.
Nineteenth Principle: Only limited and carefully defined powers should be delegated to government, all others being retained in the people.
Depending on what the people decide. Every law should not require a supermajority to overcome an overly restrictive Constitution.
Twentieth Principle: Efficiency and dispatch require government to operate according to the will of the majority, but constitutional provisions must be made to protect the rights of the minority.
Constitution and Bill of Rights again.
Twenty-First Principle: Strong local self-government is the keystone to preserving human freedom.
Strong local self-government presents a tradeoff between enhancing individual freedom (usually, although the Civil Rights movement required the Federal Government to force the local whites to give the local minorities freedoms that they didn’t know they had) on the one hand, and increasing inefficiency on the other hand. Compare India, with lots of local power, with China, with lots of central power, and check out who is more efficient. Ask why the federal government rather than local governments have built roads, power lines and the like in this country. Local governments are not a panacea.
Twenty-Second Principle: A free people should be governed by law and not by the whims of men.
Laws can reflect the whims of men. Mitigating forces that slow down the haste of the mob need to be protected, but they are being eroded. DeTocqueville talked about lawyers in this context, but they are now part of the problem. Others have held out hope for the media, but that has been coopted by profitable entertainment media conglomerates. And the prudence of the thoughtful and educated man is nowhere to be found, since we would rather play video games than learn what Plato or Hume thought. Laws cannot protect a democracy from the worst elements of its own citizenry.
Twenty-Third Principle: A free society cannot survive as a republic without a broad program of general education.
Education must be determined by experts, not local communities of know-nothings, and must reflect reality as it is rather than the reality that we’d like to believe. Example? Bachmann’s ridiculous comments about the Founding Fathers welcoming all races and creeds. The Texas Board of Education’s attempt to overstate how permissive of religion in government men like Franklin and Jefferson actually were. Attempts in Dover, PA to teach creationism as science in the classroom.
Twenty-Fourth Principle: A free people will not survive unless they stay strong.
How strong? Strong enough to repel and attack? Or strong enough to topple countries that haven’t hit us and have no means to credibly do so? Or strong enough to police the world?
Twenty-Fifth Principle: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.”
One man‘s friendship is another man’s entangling alliance (e.g., Israel, Taiwan, Tibet, etc.), so definitions here matter.
Twenty-Sixth Principle: The core unit which determines the strength of any society is the family; therefore, the government should foster and protect its integrity.
The government should be required to show empirically that policies do indeed protect the family. Rhetoric without empirical proof is not enough. Protecting the family should include economic assistance and not merely moral rectitude or the limiting of rights of those whose definitions of family lie outside the majority’s norm.
Twenty-Seventh Principle: The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest.
Spoken like the citizen of a country long free from foreign invaders, but not quite. One can file bankruptcy more easily than suffer the wrath of an invading force. As with a company, debt limits financial flexibility, but let’s not get carried away here.
Twenty-Eighth Principle: The United States has a manifest destiny to be an example and a blessing to the entire human race.
Not sure what this means, but for those of us who do not think that God controls how successful the US is, we think that the US should be a good global citizen that doesn‘t think it’s country is objectively better than anyone else’s, although subjectively we love the heck out of it. As a rabbi friend of mine once said, my country is like my wife. I hope others like her, but I don’t expect anyone else to love her as much as I do.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 7:12pm@ABC – I appreciate the time you spent on your response, but it wasn’t my opinions I was posting in the link – I am not that blogger… I was simply making a point to Beckisnuts that posting someone else’s opinions, or copy and pasting an article, does not constitute an original argument to back up your previous opinions posted.. I’m happy to debate folks with a point of view on an issue, but not when they try to pass off a copied text as their own.
As for responding to your post, the 28 principles were what the founding fathers thought should be followed to achieve peace, prosperity, and freedom. Anyone can see that your post is meant to discredit many by using examples of events from modern times, which have nothing to do with what our founders believed at their specific point in history. Sure, not all are perfect, and many don’t fit the world as we know it today when taken literally, but our nation, and the outside influences around the globe, has changed quite a bit in the last 200 years, don’t you think? This was not an established set of 28 rules that we must all abide by, but I give them credit for using these principles to craft the Constitution, which created the most prosperous free nation on the face of the earth. At the time in which these principles were contemplated, they had no idea of how things would turn out – but when you take these principles as general directives, not specific mandates, I’d say they did one hell of a job. Who’s to say that, if each premise were indeed followed by our nation as a whole, we could not achieve peace, prosperity and freedom, even today? As you seem to disagree with most in some way or another, I tend to embrace most of these principles. The USA that we have today is not the one envisioned by our founders, but many of the principles listed embody the types of solutions we desperately need to restore our nation to prosperity and freedom.. and maybe even eventual peace.
Report Post »fletcher1
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:00pmI know that we conservatives are by nature, well…..conservative, but I think it is time that WE write the sponsors of this foul man’s show, and begin our own boycott. I’m getting off this site and doing it right now.
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 8:13pmThere must be a rule at MSNBC that prevents management from hiring on-air personalities who have enough education to present factual information. MSNBC desperately needs an enema!
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:01amRogue, you have made the mistake of charging plagarism without knowing my true identity, which puts your assumptions on very thin ice indeed. In your haste to draw attention away from the fact that Glenn is a crackpot by attempting to make a personal attack, you have made an unprovable accusation. Your attack should alert even the most somnolent participant here to the fact that you cannot debate the facts with me. Off you go.
Report Post »beckisnuts
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 9:06amABC, anyone’s guess on whether or not Beck is sincere about the delusional nonsense he spews forth is as good as mine. I think he is at least an emotionally unbalanced individual, with serious delusions. But I might add that Glenn is also in this for the money, so it would not surprise me if some of the utter garbage that he puts on the airwaves has a profit motive behind it.
Report Post »debraah75
Posted on February 8, 2011 at 5:04pmI agree wholeheartedly with you Grandmaof5…One thing though, why I am amazed at the blatantly lies and exhortions of who the Tea Party folks are….it is extremely sad….
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