Meet the Oakland Developer Who Used a Shotgun to ‘Discourage’ Occupy Rioters
- Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:10pm by
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Oakland developer Phil Tagami stands with Bishop Salvatore Cordileone after presenting the Oakland Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce’s “Oakland on the Map” award to the Cathedral of Christ the Light during the Chamber’s 105th annual meeting, June 23, attended by 350 Oakland business leaders. (Image: The Catholic Voice)
Although some businesses have been targeted and vandalized by Occupy Oakland protesters, there is at least one businessman who refuses to be intimidated.
Phil Tagami is a well-known Oakland developer. Late Wednesday night, instead of going over paperwork or brokering deals, he was forced to defend a downtown building where he personally oversaw $50 million worth of renovations.
He also has an office there.
“We had people who attempted to break into our building,” the landmark Rotunda Building on Frank Ogawa Plaza outside City Hall, Tagami said. According to comments he made to the San Francisco Chronicle, Tagami grabbed a shotgun that he usually keeps at home, went down to the ground floor and “discouraged them.”
Although they didn’t get inside the building, vandals did scrawl graffiti on the outside walls during the post-midnight riot that broke out after Occupy Oakland’s daylong general strike, writes the Chronicle.
“I was standing there and they saw me there, and I lifted it – I didn’t point it – I just held it in my hands,” Tagami said. “And I just racked it, and they ran.”
The Rotunda Building wasn’t the only business targeted by the protesters.
“Graffiti was spray-painted on many buildings along Broadway from 14th to 16th streets. Masked vandals shattered windows, started fires and threw objects at police, including lit flares and powerful M-1000 firecrackers,” reports the Chronicle.
When the riots subsided, Oakland business owners started cleaning up the damage. Owners of Tully’s Coffee shop boarded up shattered windows. The owners of Genji, a Japanese restaurant in the City Hall plaza, spent their morning scrubbing graffiti from the facade of their business. Rite Aid and Walgreens drugstores were also tagged by protesters.
Rachel Konte, owner of Oakllectiv, said her designer clothing shop had its plate glass window smashed and hundreds of dollars of T-shirts stolen (despite the fact that, according to Konte, some protesters attempted to protect her store), writes the Chronicle.
The city estimates that it will cost up to $25,000 to replace broken windows at city buildings.
Of course, Mayor Jean Quan called the rioters “a small and isolated group.”
“It shouldn’t mar the overall impact of the demonstration and the fact that people in the 99 percent movement demonstrated peacefully and, for the most part, were productive and very peaceful,” Quan said.
Tagami wholeheartedly disagreed, saying that Occupy Oakland protest is “basically concealment and cover for anarchists who are doing this to our city.”
“We’re very concerned that a group of people can be allowed to do this type of destruction to our town and to our image without any repercussions,” Tagami said. “They need to be held accountable.” He rejected assertions that the anarchists were a small minority, saying, “No, you can’t have it both ways.”
Tagami added, “I support a peaceful protest. But it was a siege situation last night, and quite frankly, I’m glad we were here. But I never want to have to do that again.”
On a side note, guess what happened to at least one business, Men’s Wearhouse, that pledged its support for the “99%?”
It didn’t escape destruction either.
“Windows at the Men’s Wearhouse, which closed Wednesday and put up signs of support, were shattered,” reports the San Francisco Chronicle.
Broken glass is shown at a Men's Warehouse building in downtown Oakland, Calif., Thursday, Nov. 3, 2011 after a Occupy Wall Street protest earlier. Graffiti is covering a number of businesses in the immediate area around Frank Ogawa Plaza . . . Some windows also are broken, and debris is littering the street (Image: AP)
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progressiveslayer
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:26pmAh yes the equalizer rack it and the roaches scurry,but they’ll come a time soon I believe the roaches will arm themselves as well,and that’s when the party gets started.Good for you sir defending your private property rights,the communists cowards you encountered trespassing on your private property have no concept of private property or individual freedom they‘re part of the ’collective’ that Marx inflicted on the world.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:34pmI want to shake Mr Tagami’s hand.
Report Post »And what made Men’s Wearhouse believe they could escape the mob by bending over and pandering to them?
SWING HARD
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:41pmOkay moron Businesses, time to stand up and have some bullocks! I don’t own a gun but I have a Louisville Slugger and I know how to use it.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:46pmPhil Tagami, thank you for a quick and easy demonstration of WHY the 2nd Ammendment is so important to every soveriegn American citizen.
Report Post »pyeatte
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:46pmAbsolutely, but at some point, we may be required to pull the trigger – so be it.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:48pm@Progressiveslayer — soon enough the protesters leadership or the union thugs will start using the force of arms as well; that is what the admin needs, to have the blood flow and the loss of control and order in the cties.
Report Post »Kinnison
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:50pmThe same thing happened in the 60′s in the Watts riots. As entire streets of businesses went up in flames, Korean storekeepers stood in front of their little stores or up on the roofs above with 12 gauge shotguns or AKs and said, “No, not here”, and the rioters left them alone and went away. The Constitution guarantees us the right to protect ourselves, our families and our property against rioters and looters, and we will do so. Mr. Guy Fawkes, meet Mr. Double-Ought Buck.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:55pmSorry, I am locked and loaded, if someone comes to do me harm, the only thing they will hear is a quick loud noise!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:56pm@Swing
Yes, well, we’ll compare maximum effective ranges sometime, you with your slugger and me with any one of the weapons in my arsenal. And if you should catch me without a means of effective distance based self defense, rest assured, I am fit, extremely strong, fast and trained in a variety of martial techniques. Worse for the savage minded thugs, I’m also cold, rational and very, very effective in how I choose to defend myself. Cha togar m’ fhearg gun dìoladh, sir.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:57pm“Click-click” BooYeah!
Report Post »SanDiegoCountyCitizen
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:58pmEver see how unskilled and untrained thugs hold guns when they shoot them? Usually above their head while ducking! Arming themselves, or throwing dangerous things at citizens, will be the last stupid thing the OWS losers do before their dirt naps.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:17pm@Sandie
Gangsta style. They watch too many movies (especially since they don’t work) Unfortunately, in real life they end up shooting the people that they’re not shooting at.
Report Post »cherigc
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:24pmSADLY, more of this is to come!
Report Post »MinorityRightsAdvocate
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:28pmLong before Marx, there was Satan. Marx is just a proxy for the real source of this anarchy.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:43pmGhostOfJefferson, dang. You’re just awesome dude! And not afraid to say so!
Report Post »Teufel Hunden
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:59pmSwing hard,
That Louisville Slugger may get you 1 wild swing before the mob takes it from you and strikes you out. You need something heavy in semi auto or pump that can break bone and send secondary fragments of splintered bone into the rest of the crowd to convince them to flee.
Report Post »robert
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:15pmIt’s a good thing this guy is non-white, because if he weren’t he would be demonized by the press and others as a right wing radical, white supremacist, in spite of the fact most all of the protestors are white.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:20pmSounds like the mayor is part of the problem. She is unwilling to defend and protect her own citizens because she has a soft spot for those pesky protesters. Her progressive petticoats are showing. Oakland better wise up and vote her out of office and then elect a mayor who puts the welfare of the city ahead of her own lefty ideology.
Report Post »Zarbuster
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:29pmREMEMBER REGINALD DENNY! Pulled from his truck by the “LA 4” smashed his head with a brick and shot at with a shot gun. I was one of the unfortunate few who witnessed it live on TV. The police were nowhere to be found. This is serious! Arm yourselves and protect each other. Hopefully the election in 2012 will calm things down.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:34pmThat’s awesome. That’s how you stop property damage!
Report Post »kapnkd
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:55pmI doubt the majority of these little liberal commies even know which end of the gun to point let alone load one up or even have shot one before!
Report Post »wellhangingchad
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:59pmReports have actually shown that #7 bird shot does more damage than 00 buck to the insides of said enemy. And just a little spakle is all the repair you need to your house after clean up. #7 turns all of the internal organs to baby food consistency!
Report Post »Racenitro
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:08pmProgressiveslayer!!!
Time to Lock & Load!
Any money left over from friday’s pay check is for beans and BUCK SHOT!
Sounds like the sweet sound of a Remington 870 Wingmaster! racking a round!
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:17pm@Kapnkd
The liberal hippies would try to smoke out of it. (Bang! Oh, I thought it was Bong)
Report Post »claymoremacm
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:20pmthe “racking” of a pump shotgun,45-70 levergun or my AR-10 are all sweet music to my ears
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:25pmIn case some of you have never heard of this site it is awesome. The Ebay of weapons, new and used. Christmas is coming, and maybe something much less enjoyable…
Report Post »http://www.gunbroker.com/
oklahomalady
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:31pm99% of the intelligent and sane people of this country would love to see the police turn the BIG fire hoses on these STUPID, destructive creeps. It‘s just like a mean little kid who’s never been disciplined….if this is let go and these mongrels are allowed to do these kinds of things, it will get very, very ugly and be like what happened in Europe and Africa and many people will be killed. THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!! For the most part these young people are just ignorant and brainwashed drones…the rest are sent from the unions via BHO. I heard him say it‘s time for the young people to get their boots on the ground and it’s the same thing he said just prior to the “arab spring”.
Report Post »Cynic-clinic
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:39pmThe occupiers, wanting to drive property owners out of their homes or businesses, should recall the decision that the Japanese made when they were considering an invasion of America. They realized it could never work because they were advised, “there is a gun behind every blade of grass”
And I say, there is an American patriot behind every gun.
Report Post »Reload
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:43pmBuckshot is a fantastic deterrent. There is no substitute for large caliber firearms.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:56pmGoJ . . . or should say Lord of War . . . Quite an avatar you’ve constructed there.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:58pmoklahomalady
I agree with citizens protecting their property with firearms, but I‘m against police state action against these protestors unless they’re destroying property or attacking police or civilians, and then only those individuals should be targetted, not the entire protest as a group.
Report Post »US_SOLDIER
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:07pmThe “racking” of a shotgun, quite possibly one of the scariest sounds in the world if you are on the other end of the barrel :)
Report Post »Teufel Hunden
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:10pmWellhangingchad,
00 buck will nearly cut a man in half. #7 will put a hole in them. 00 Buck, or, slugs for this Jarhead! Kill! Kill! Kill!
Report Post »AmericanPatriot01
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:40pmrobert
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:15pm
It’s a good thing this guy is non-white, because if he weren’t he would be demonized by the press and others as a right wing radical, white supremacist, in spite of the fact most all of the protestors are white.
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WELL, your wrong about that, The KKK is now on the list of organizations supporting the OWS gangs
EVERY freaking thug wanna be criminal is going to get in on this action SOON. There will be no containment. Every LONE WOLF TERRORIST will now have a platform and a venue of deniability. Many of these groups have had arsenals of weapons and training facilities for many years and will soon try and take over a city and declare it occupied.
Some of you have been having nightmares and visions of what is to come. Others have a grounded wisdom and reason, with which, you know some of the eventual logical outcomes from these events. The ones I worry about are the trigger happy warriors. May you never want to take a life but only to protect life. I have seen death up close as a army medic and it will scar you forever, FOREVER! Especially when it is your own countrymen. Do not take it lightly because far too soon you may have to have that experience wether you want it or not.
Report Post »GeoInSD
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:43pmA common belief in Switzerland is that Germany didn’t invade Switzerland because the Swiss are a heavily armed people. Swiss citizens don’t just have semiautomatic rifles, they have full auto and even more powerful hardware at home. Switzerland is a good example of how NOT dangerous the common law abiding citizen to law abiding people, and also the deterent value of a well armed citizenry.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 7:14pmMayor Guan will have him arrested and prosecute him using his own words. Mark my words. He’s going to jail and his shotgun will be taken away from him.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 8:25pmHey JZS
OT
Any thoughts on the latest polls?
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 8:37pmMy hero of the L.A. King riots of which I lived in North Long Beach, one block from Compton, so I pretty much lived in the middle of it, was a little Korean store owner that when the mass looters showed up to loot his store he ran out with a Glock in each hand and just started unloading!
Report Post »It worked, the looters move on. I don’t know how many looter he ended up shooting, I’m sure there was a few.
My neihbors who stood together for protection, white, black and hispanic, had a group come down our street looking for opportunity of whom to rob next, we stood outside armed to the teeth like the old west, and as they walked by they wouln’t even look at us. Then we started to taunting them, encouraging them to try to come pilage our homes. We told them out loud we would kill them on the spot if they tried. Huh…funny they had no interest in looting from us, and never came back,…gee I wonder why?
jzs
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 8:37pmBilly, the poll looks legit. People – like me – don’t like the violence.
Report Post »OlefromMN
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 8:45pmI hope he actually had a shell in it. Because the next time they may “want to play”. Never act! Just be prepared for any possibility. This is becoming surreal.
Report Post »SkiTuna
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 9:08pmWell done Mr. Tagami!
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 9:32pmlol swing hard…a browning 12 ga. would turn that louisville slugger into toothpicks.
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 10:04pmI’m sick of media making excuses for the animals Oh it was a small isolated group. BULL! Is it just me or does anyone else see a pattern. (sarcasm) This crap is happening in every city they’re protesting in. Mosberg 500 and box of 00-buck will keep them out of your property.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 10:26pm@JZS
Glad to hear that JZS
Very glad to hear that.
I hope Pelosi and the others follow your lead.
Report Post »NYHuguenot
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 11:00pmI guess when the protestors start carrying that will just make it easier to “defend” yourself.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 11:23pmMy dog is ready to bark with a BANG and bite at 100 yards!!!!
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:03am@RestoreHope
Agreed “welfare of the city” instead of welfare for the city
I wondered what intimidated them more, the shotgun or the fact that he was black?
Just saying, a white mob attacking a black man would have gone bad whether anarchist or not
but if it he was white I would wager these guys would have huddled and tried to rally others to put in harms way so they could cry foul at the mean old white rich guy… just saying.
But please businessfolk don’t let the mob scare you. Defend yourself, your family, your property and your rights. Put them in their place.
Report Post »SonOfaCommunist
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:15amThese people just need some discipline. Maybe we should let that judge from Texas use his belt on this crowd. A lot of bark but no bite when confronted with a person who isn’t trained to cower like our demasculanised men.
Racked it and they took off!
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:57amToo bad the roaches have been too busy getting high to learn how to shoot…
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges03
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 4:29am“Tagami grabbed a shotgun that he usually keeps at home, went down to the ground floor … ‘I was standing there and they saw me there, and I lifted it – I didn’t point it – I just held it in my hands,’ Tagami said. ‘And I just racked it, and they ran.’ ”
To the Oakland Police Department … YOU’RE NOT THE LAW!! DROP YOUR WEAPONS!!
Report Post »To the Oakland City Hall … THESE BLOCKS ARE UNDER ARREST!!
THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzP0Z6YEN0&t=41s
… COURT’S ADJOURNED.
(thank you, Judge Dredd)
Hugh Williams
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 9:23amKudos to you Mr. Tagam! Even the ignorant occupy protesters know the sound of a 12 gauge racking means trouble.
Report Post »wop6969
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 9:34amI second that —
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 10:20amHe made a two mistakes by not bringing his friends with guns and shame on him for not already having one in the pipe thus one extra shot.
Armature. At least he had the right idea but in California, I wouldn‘t be surprised if he wouldn’t be charged with making a terroristic threat, being all anti-gun with a ******* mayor and all. He may find himself cited and arrested.
Report Post »sarcasticus
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 1:18pmAh yes-reminds me of the sufficiently armed store owners on the roofs during the ‘Rodney King’ riots. If I recall correctly their stores were left alone.
Report Post »Click-click; ’nuff said.
Formula382
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 2:07pmMr. Zimmerman of Men’s Warehouse needs to grow a sack! That’s what he gets for trying to side with lunatics!
Report Post »Charles O McVey SFC 7 USA Retired
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 4:11pmFirst let me state this, never arm yourself for display, if you pick up a firearm be prepared and willing to use it. Second, I am always rmed, and I am well trained in the use of firearms having spent more than 40 years in the United States Military as well as serving in Nam with the 3rd BDE, First Cavalry Division (AM) 1965-1966. I taught every soldier I trained over the years, never use a weapon for display, if you pick it up, then you had best be prepared and willing to pull the trigger. And yes if I have to pull a weapon, I am not only prepared to use it to defend myself, my family and my friends, but I will pull the trigger and when I do someone is going to have the oportunity to find out that their is a GOD and that Satan does exist.
Report Post »sman7290
Posted on November 6, 2011 at 8:36amRemind me to not shop at Men’s Warehouse anymore.
Report Post »hud
Posted on November 6, 2011 at 9:48amGot to love Koreans, in the Watt riots, they shot at the rioters.History is about to recreate itself.
Report Post »toto
Posted on November 6, 2011 at 8:30pmBless you Mr. Tagami, you are the breath of freedom and sanity. May others gain courage from your actions, for most in this country have become a nation cowards, and have forgotten or never been taught the lessons that freedom is not free, and you only deserve what you earn, not what someone else earns.
Report Post »dsind
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:26pmwhat does rack it mean?
Report Post »is that the ch-chk sound a shotgun makes when you chamber a round?
if so, that really is an attention grabber!
lol
cemerius
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:38pmexactly!
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:40pmThat’s the sound you hear right before you change your address from “Occupy Oakland” to “Occupy the Morgue”.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:52pmYou don‘t need to see the shotgun to know that sound and what you are in for if you don’t back off. It is my home protection weapon of choice.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:58pmI prefer the correct term, which is “cycle(d)the action”. Not as intimidating sounding when I say it, but no matter, the effect is the same to the wide eyed children it is meant to warn.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:26pmYes indeed, it is the sound of the grim reaper to bad guys and the sweetest music to those who wield the instrument.
May I suggest a Mossberg 590 Tactical model, Nine shots with an adjustable tactical stock and pistol-grip. Get some nice double ought loads, shoot from the hip, hard to miss. The sound alone will usually leave a poop stain…
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=26
Report Post »skippy6
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:37pmYep when crooks here that sound they have maybe 1 second to get out of the house….
Report Post »mllewis9171
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:58pmThat seems to be a universally understood sound, if if one has never heard it before. It is awesome to hear.
Report Post »azjeff1963
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:27pmThats the sound my Remington Model 870 express magnum makes….music to my ears.
Report Post »da da da ..dada chk chk chk chk da da da dada chk chk chk chk blam blam blam blam blam blam blam blaamm bllaaam blam ba blam. tkank you all good night…..Elvis has left the building.
raybojabo
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:42pmHey, OOKSPAY, check this out. 14+1, dual tube mags. put slugs in one side, oo in the other and switch back and forth
http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg
Report Post »Cynic-clinic
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:59pmIt’s the last thing you will ever hear after, 1—2–, if you don’t happen to be the one counting.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:00pmThat is why I have a pump action shot gun in my little arsenal – the sound alone causes full drawers…. Don‘t even always need ammo but I wouldn’t advise that as a standard procedure
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 10:01pm@Raybojaybo, Looks pretty sweet. I will read reviews and probably add it to my arsenal. It might get pretty hot. I can reload pretty quick though, practice, practice.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 4:31amOokspay or whatever
Report Post »Your Sensei is exactly right. Shooting from the hip is a sure way to miss and possibly get yourself killed. But , carry on soldier, you have the right idea. You’ll get there. At least you are not a fricking prog.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 8:28amI like the sound of my AR-15 when you yank bank the charging handle to chamber a round, and the sound of the charging handle slapping back into place when you press the release.
Report Post »jakartaman
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 1:07pmTwo years ago I just bought a cheep 10 shot mossberg.
Report Post »have the AR-15 and 30-06 and 9mm but my fun one is a 44mag pistol – any perp that looks down the barrel of this puppy knows its all over
PATRIOTGRUNT
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:26pmWow , maybe there is hope for us yet. At least some one in Okland has ba__s. How did those “We support the 99% ” signs work out for you morons. They are not interested in your support. They want what you have , you idiots.
Report Post »FranklinK
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:07pmGrunt…well put. I went to the MW website chatroom, and told them that their sign signifies cowardice, if they were trying to avoid vandalism, or they are despicable, if they meant it. In either case, no more MW for me.
Report Post »kushisaac
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmI wonder what Mayor Quan would have said had the protesters been a pro life group trashing abortion clinics around the city?
Report Post »Realman30
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:34pmShe‘d call out the National Guard on those ’terrorists.’
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:55pmExactly .. and would she “tolerate” a TEA Party without the proper permits and insurance (even without any violence or destruction which we do not do!)… I don’t think so!
TEA!
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:01pmWhy wonder about your fantasy when you have reality farting in your face?
Report Post »rambosharley
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:02pmShe would call the Governor to send in the National Guard!
Report Post »Rick300
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmThose who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin
Report Post »begtodiffer
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:17pmI like
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” — Ben Franklin
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
—Thomas Jefferson
If you want the government to take care of you, said Jefferson, “you will soon want bread.” He didn’t say it exactly that way. We improved it.
Report Post »–Bill Bonner
The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 1:03am“You desire to know something of my religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it. Here is my creed. I believe in one God, Creator of the universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshiped. That the most acceptable service we render Him is doing good to His other children..” – Benjamin Franklin
“I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson
Report Post »chubbzbar
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmTheory behind the second amendment
. “And I just racked it, and they ran.”
Report Post »db321
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:53pmThose words should go down in infamy – “I just Racked it and they ran” Brilliant!
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmWay to go, Phil!
Give ‘em a little 2nd amendment ’lead poisoning’ if they try anything.
Report Post »curleyfry
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmWhere is the fire department with the fire hose.
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:36pmFrom a practical point of view, Phil‘s shotgun seems like it’s more effective (The spray from the barrel probably stings a bit more than the water from a fire hose) and doesn’t require a firetruck or hydrant.
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:51pmIf there is violence in the area fire departments are not allowed to go in until Police can get “Control’ of the area so that Fire Fighters lives are not in danger… There are laws on the books in just about every state and because of those laws Civilian lives are lost but fire fighters lives are saved.
I remember that people joined Fire Departments to go in and save lives and put their own at risk doing it. Now because of Arson fires in the ‘80s and ’90s where Fire Fighters died we now see the lack of ability to risk to save even one life. It is called Cost Benefit Analysis and it is being used to keep people from doing the really risky job of saving burning property.
Report Post »begtodiffer
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:34pmThey come after the shotgun for a thorough cleanup.
Report Post »unsafe
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:52pmI burn some brush and the fire department is right there to put it out and give me a fine
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:23pmA Fort Collins man named Benjamin David Gimore was just arrested as a suspect in a 10 million dollar arson. The suspect is tied to the occupy Fort Collins protest group. Please investigate and report this breaking news.
Report Post »jopmur
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:22pmThe business pledged to support basement dwellers and got trashed? Keep on supporting these people, hope you have fire insurance too.
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:29pmDamage from Riots and civil unrest are typically excluded from insurance coverage.
Report Post »Secular Conservative
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:21pmAnd so it begins….
Report Post »zorro
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:38pmSo it does.
Report Post »tootsie roll
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:02amSecular Con
Report Post »You play many roles do you not? Post on religion, OWS bu this remark on this posts show your true ILK. Marxist, Commie
jdog777
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:21pmWell…. police aren’t doing their jobs. Perfect case for why the second amendment is a declaration of our inalienable human rights. I wouldn‘t be surprised if Kalifornia doesn’t try to press charges against this man.
Report Post »Ed Savage
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:35pmThis is my fear also.
Why do we sit on our hands while a part of the protesters, any part – no matter how small, destroy public and private property?
Why do we let a group that probably really represents 1% of the US population (haven’t been able to quantify this yet) call themselves the “99%” and destroy in our name? I’m certainly not part of the 1% but I would rather live under the society the way it is than the way these people want it to be.
Big problem is that they either don‘t know what it is they want or don’t realize that if they doe “bring it all down, man” their lot in life will be a lot worse than it is now.
Read works by those who have lived under the great revolutions. It doesn’t turn out good for the average guy.
Report Post »pandora
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:20pmOakland needs a real mayor.
Report Post »laurasdad
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:31pmI’m with you. She won’t get reelected….but if she does – they deserve what they get.
The OWS people may arm themselves, but they will throw them down and run when they meet real Americans with guns.
Report Post »bruce_baker
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 7:49pm“Oakland needs a real mayor”
They’re way too close to SF to ever have one. Just living that close to THAT much insanity has to be enough to drive most people crazy. Proof? Look at the mayor they elected!
Report Post »desertjim
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:20pmDon’t forget, these people have the blessing of Obama and Pelosi
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:34pmObama and Pelosi need a drainpipe moment complete with rifle insertion
Report Post »EqualJustice
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:19pmAs a person who has never owned a gun or ever wanted to, I am buying my first hand gun and taking shooting lessons. What scary times…
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:24pmGood for you! That is courageous. GOD BLESS AND PROTECT IN JESUS’ name. Amen.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:32pmCongrats on your choice to exercise your Second Amendment rights. As an instructor myself, you’ll find it to be quite fun. As serious as personal defense is concerned, there is quite a bit of responsibility involved. I just recomend you practice, practice, practice.
Report Post »PGMike
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:36pm@equaljustice
Report Post »I am like you. I have never owned a gun but I went down to my local gun store yesterday and bought my first hand gun. Taking my wife to the shooting range Monday so we will both know how to use it.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:40pmBuy a good tactical shotgun also. They are made for home offense or defense.
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:01pmEvery home should have both hand guns and shot guns.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:02pm@EJ
Good start. Take those lessons, also lessons on gun safety. Then immediately take lessons not on “shooting” in the technical way, but in defensive combat handgunning. It will save your life if you ever have to draw your firearm. I cannot recommend enough learning how to work a firearm in real combat, because if you think you’re going to have time to carefully aim and get a good sight picture, you‘ve either not been in real combat or you’re watching too much television, or most likely, both.
Once you have those down, practice at the range until you don’t even have to think about what to do, it just becomes macro level muscle memory. Hundreds and hundreds of rounds.
Oh, and get a .45ACP…because shooting twice is a waste of ammunition!
Report Post »Constitutional_Patriot_in_SC
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:25pmI have a mossburg 500 and my wife has a Taurus 9mm about 1000+ rounds for each. Mossburg is a great shotgun with a very fluid action and the taurus is a great small hand gun. I figure if we need any thing else we can just pick it up off the ground at that point.
Report Post »Danang1972
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:36pmShooting Advice:
Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not to protect you.
Never let someone or thing that threatens you get inside arm’s length and never say “I’ve got a gun”.
If you feel you need to use deadly force for heaven’s sake let the first sound they hear be the safety clicking off, and they shouldn’t have time to hear anything after that if you are doing your job.
The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes… the response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.
The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – and cheat if necessary.
Don’t forget, incoming fire has the right of way.
Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. You may get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to beat you to death with it, cause it’s going to be empty.
If you‘re not shooting’, you should be loading’. If you‘re not loading’, you should be moving’, if you‘re not moving’, someone’s going to cut your head off and put it on a stick.
Do something. It may be wrong, but do something.
Shoot what’s available, as long as it’s available, until something else becomes available.
If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That’s ridiculous. If you have a gun, what in the hell do you have to be paranoid for?
Don’t shoot fast, unless you also shoot good.
You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you live depends on how well you do it.
You ca
Report Post »Banter
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:46pm@Ghost
“Oh, and get a .45ACP…because shooting twice is a waste of ammunition!”
Exactly right! I carry the Baretta PX4 Storm .45. here in Florida.
For my home, nothing beats the Mossberg 500 12g with the pistol grip and adjustable stock that holds another 5 shells.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:51pmIf your new to shooting and want it for home protection. I suggest a Remington 820 12 Ga Shot gun instead of a hand gun. It will give you superior fire power at low ranges than say a 9mm or .38 without accidentally killing your family or neighbor because you shot through 4 walls with your .44 mag. Its a point and squeeze weapon instead of a precision aiming weapon. For those who don’t have the time to dedicate to shooting regular. Because if you don‘t shoot regular you will loose your skill and that isn’t good when your in an emergency type situation. And as already mentioned cycling (racking/jacking) a pump action in a dark house will make most wood be perpetrators wet themselves.
Ex evil Blackwater dude
David
OH and buy a dog, big dog is better but small one will work. Study after study shows bad guys will avoid encountering even a yappy dog.
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:08pmYour right , how could I forgot the dogs, very valuable.
Report Post »possom
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:01pmI’d start with a 38 revolver with a 6 in barrel, you can fill your hollow point‘s with drano and cap’em off with a little wax.
Report Post »Banter
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:01pmoops Beretta. Sheesh!
Report Post »ManAtWork
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:04pmYou could consider the Saiga12, semi-automatic shotgun, rack it once, shoot 20 times with extended clip. No need to aim, just point it in the agressor’s general direction and pull the trigger until you hear “click”, replace the clip and repeat if necessary. When smoke settles call 911, unload said Saiga12 and put your hands up in the air when you see blue lights to avoid confusion in the part of the LEO’s.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 5:58pmPGIKE . . . Going down to the ragne to learn how to use a gun are we? Do me a favor, take Dick Cheney with you.
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:14amSome posters are right, a shotgun is more strongly recommended. And a dog, shepherd, dobie, rottie… and most importantly… you SHOULD NOT train them to be mean… LOVE THEM, play with them, have them trust you but they also must be submissive to you WITHOUT AGGRESSION. You get the right one with the right disposition, you know the dog is just a big loving dummy but when a stranger shows and he/she barks, they’ll crap themselves.
Also I wish I can remember when and where I heard it but prisoners were asked, what is the scariest sound to you? They’re answer a pump shotgun having a shell loading into the chamber. When asked about hand guns or rifles they laughed and said, most people cant shoot straight or are too scared to… So shotgun? If the convicts are scared… there must be a good reason :D
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:19pmLike I said, we will only tolerate this occupy bs to a point. You can wear your silly masks and smoke dope all day long, you threaten my livlyhood and we will have a discussion.
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:33pmI don’t talk to strangers…
Report Post »Wringeaux
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:18pmI like the ‘street sweepers’.
Report Post »TurboCat
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 2:02am@Sensei: You‘re nobody’s master, fool.
Report Post »greeneyes1982
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:19pmLooks like clinging to the Bible and our guns works!
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:03pmThose poor Londoners, buying baseball bats to defend themselves. How would you like to be them?
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:19pm“WE STAND WITH THE 99%” translated: “DON’T THROW A ROCK THROUGH OUR WINDOW”
They should’ve just realized that the OWS crowd doesnt read and brought a pump action shotgun.
Report Post »Carter John
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:21pmI believe you mean most can’t read.
Report Post »John Morton
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:19pmWow, #Occupy2ndAmendment has started.
When Marxist thugs attack, Who ya Gonna Call????
ShotGunBusters!!!
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:14pmThat would make an excellent T-shirt slogan “I occupy the 2nd Amendment with 99% accuracy”
Report Post »The Jewish Avenger
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 12:39amI am SO making that T-Shirt! can I borrow it? :)
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:18pmRack em!
Report Post »Ha ha [Nelson] Men’ s Warehouse.
Yeah_Buddy
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:25pmMens Wearhouse: Your gonna like the way you look while rioting! (new commercial soon to be aired).
Of course they will run from an armed citizen. They are only not scared of police.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:28pmMen‘s Wharehouse is a perfect example to all the useful idiots supporting the ’occupiers’. They don’t care if you support them or not. You’re a business! They want to tear what you have to pieces and they want you dead.
Report Post »ColoradoMaverick
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:18pmI just reported that a Fort Collins protester named Benjamin David Gilmore was arrested for suspected arson in a $10,000,000.00 fire that consumed a large building 1 block from the occupy Ft Collins protest sight. I found out that the suspect was interviewed by a local radio station just weeks before the arson. The Denver Post reported on the arrest, but no mention was made of the suspects ties to the OWS protest group. Here are both links to the Denver Post Story and the interview done before the fire:
Please report this Blaze!
http://tri1025.com/what-is-occupy-fort-collins-kevin-mussman-visits-protesters-to-find-out/
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19264417
Jon Stewart: I know this is not really the same as throwing a chair through a Starbucks window, but I have to ask you, “Are you down with this?”
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:37pmI think some information into the motives for this fire are hopefully forthcoming.
Report Post »modelmax
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:21pmHere’s another link.
Report Post »http://tri1025.com/old-town-fire-suspect-possibly-tied-to-occupy-fort-collins-protester-benjamin-david-gilmore-kevin-mussman-interviewed-gilmore-in-october/
smackdown33
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:17pmHuman animals, so indicative of the left.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:17pmThat’s pretty funny! The sign stating that they support the 99% and they were still vandalized! That’s what you get. People need to boycott Men’s Warehouse. Did they honestly believe the 99′ers would leave their stores alone? How stupid can a company be.
Report Post »Wringeaux
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:23pmWhere’s the video ?
Report Post »outrider
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 8:54pmLet the result of MW’s attempt at appeasement be a message to anyone who still thinks you can just be nice to terrorists and everything will be ok.
Report Post »Zoe
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:17pmPray, Vote & Buy More Ammo!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:22pmExactly!
Report Post »TriforcePlayer
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 6:13pmIndeed
Report Post »bruce_baker
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 7:36pmPray, vote, STORE FOOD AND WATER, buy guns and LEARN HOW TO SHOOT!
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 10:31pmGreat water purifier, tasty agua from almost any source…
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InversionTheory
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 2:16pmHeck yes.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:21pmagreed.
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