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Mega Math Fail: Top Teachers Union Honcho Claims $26,000/Year = $500/Month!
- Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:02am by
Mike Opelka
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Randi Weingarten heads the 1.4 million member American Federation of Teachers, wielding considerable power and influence from her office in Washington DC. This morning we learned that she probably failed Math. From MSNBC’s Morning Joe:
26,000 divided by 12 months equals 2166.66 per month.
Immediately after this exchange, Pat Buchanan asked about the recent study showing the average Wisconsin teacher’s compensation valued at $100,000 per year. Weingarten chose to dismiss these facts, instead using a broad stroke example of the national average, without addressing the very specific Wisconsin data.
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Comments (318)
Its Gonna Getcha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:23amI’m telling you, they are targeting “mushed-brained” young ones, and people on meds.
Report Post »ramcam6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:21amThis bright woman can’t even divide by 12 even though they only work 8 months, that’s 3 months off in the summer plus 1 month of days off during the year. Tenure is stupid, it rewards bad teachers and punishes great teachers. How about paying for real performance and firing people that don’t do their jobs?
Report Post »Fight for America
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:06pmYep.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 7:01pm“How about paying for real performance and firing people that don’t do their jobs?”
Umm, wouldn’t THAT defeat the very PURPOSE of UNIONS??
END THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS SYSTEM.
NOW.
Report Post »LittleBigMouth
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:18amOnce again…this dope don’t get it. (And you can take that in many ways!)
Report Post »THE WORDS OF FDR..
“[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.” In 1943, a New York Supreme Court judge held:
To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen.
Kisha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:17amI totally agree! Fire them! Hand them their walking papers and hire teachers who want to teach, and not extort money from the government! Teachers in these unions care only for themselves. The kids don’t even matter to them. That’s the saddest part!!!
Report Post »Purplehummingbird
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:24pmKisha, you are well on your way to being a homeschool mom!! For her to brag that she was at one point in time a teacher- one that can’t do the basic math that my kindergardener can do it outrageous.
Report Post »eat-more-bacon-USA
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:17amLove that Public School “Math”.
Report Post »QuantumVerp
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:17amNEW LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE MORALIST: If at first you don’t succeed, then lie lie lie again!
Report Post »butler180
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:46pmDittos
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 6:57pm“NEW LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE MORALIST: If at first you don’t succeed, then lie lie lie again!”
Oh, Yeah!
Best post of this story!
[next to mine, of course!] lol!
Didn’t Goebbles say something just like this?
The “Big Lie”.
Report Post »jaesplin
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:16amI love reading the Blaze but sometimes the grammatical mistakes are painful. Especially in the sentence saying how she probably failed math.
“This morning we learned that she is probably failed Math.”
Nice.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:38am“This morning we learned that she is probably failed Math.”
No no no, what was being said is that probably the person known as Failed Math. It’s a strange name and probably of Asian origin naturally, so you see, nothing was wrong at all except perhaps not capitalizing the “F” in “Failed”.
:)
Report Post »Mike Opelka
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:12pmThanks. We appreciate corrections and needed to fix this error. Done and done. Cheers, M.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 8:16amThe Blaze is just made an honest is mistake. I is don’t see a problem is with it.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:16amtalk about a union LIAR.
Report Post »bph320
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:15amFigures.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:14amObama may promote her to Treasury Secretary.
Report Post »LittleBigMouth
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:14amWell, they think Obamacare is Freedom. What would you expect. I’m just in shock that the DMC has not put her in charge of finance!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:13amRemember Tea Party, these are the MENSA members teaching your children. They are the Philosopher Kings leading the benighted masses.
Report Post »Big_tuna
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:13amWhat part “NO MORE MONEY” these people don’t get.
Report Post »Country is BROKE!
Purplehummingbird
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:19pmBravo!!
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 7:45pmAs a clear eyed patriot I refuse to consider America “broke” – we have power and control over most of the material wealth that exists and always will. Please do not be a negative wussie pussie.
Report Post »That fact is that we are not (as a country) “broke,“ the country has plenty of cash and this ”broke” word is just a scary talking point that has recently become popular.
Marine Recon Dad
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:13amThugs, all. I have good friends that are teachers, and they are EMBARRASSED to be in the union (forced). These unions think we, their employers, are stuped bumpkins because the large majority didn’t attend a college.
We need to take back control of all of these unions – we are their bosses! If I treated my employer with this type of disdain and total disregard for his rules, I’d be fired. THEY NEED TO BE FIRED!!!!
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:20pmMarineReconDad
With all due respect to you…
I‘m actually getting tired of hearing the excuse that they are ’forced’ to be in the Union.
If they really, really gave a damn… they ban together and find a way to argue with
the idiots.
They tell you they are embarrassed… really?
Academy Dad times 2 (active duty)
ComVet, etc.
Wolverine
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:35pmMarine RD
Report Post »Here in CT my wife ,a spec ed teacher has to be in the CEA by state law. She refuses to join the NEA as she hates the union that protects lousy teachers. The union does bubkis for competent teachers.
miles from nowhere
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:12amThere is no excuse for these kind of benifits
Report Post »Keveeee
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:12amThis is typical.
Report Post »They don’t really CARE about the people they are taking money from. So the math doesn‘t matter because the people don’t matter. She probably spends no time actually looking at the contracts.
You want to trust your government to take care of you? Then WHY DO YOU NEED A UNION???
Government employees operating under collective bargaining is purely and simply a conflict of interest.
PERIOD!
booger71
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:11amI gradgeeated gubermint skewls. They is 57 states, and 1+1=19
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:23pmCareful BOOGER71
I think you spelled ‘gubermint’ wrong.
We don’t want our left to tell you- you are not right…
do we. :)
Wolverine
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 6:50pmBoo,
1 + 1 = …………………..
11 !
[evrybodie nows dat, naw don't dey]
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 7:02pmbut,…
you were sooooo CLOSE!
lol!
Report Post »abseas
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:11amIs Thug-ett a word?
Report Post »TrueGrit
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:10pmThanks for the smile.
Wolverine
Report Post »WireWizard
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:10amThat would be about double what I am projected to get from Social Security. IF I get Social Security 13 years from now.
Report Post »Insipid
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:55amToo bad you could not make that IF 48 point, bold, flashing text.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:10amI’m inclined to give her a break, she prolly meant 500 a week.
Report Post »Keveeee
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:15amYou are correct. It was a mistake that anyone could make in that situation. But still …. it’s worth picking on it … if Sarah Palin had said that it would be splattered all over the news for months.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:54amO I have no doubt. SNL would get weeks of material out of that!
Report Post »Afnav04
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:09pmI am glad there is someone willing to do the math and figure out that $26,000 a year is $500 a week. On the other hand, I expect more from a teachers union. Then again have you seen the intelligence of the children the public school system is producing?
Report Post »butler180
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:48pmYou gave me a chuckle. But you are so right
Report Post »Jethro212
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:10amStop dividing by 12, divide by 8, they have 4 months to work doing something else like the rest of us do.
100,000 over EIGHT MONTHS is 12,500 a month.
Report Post »Boss J
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:44amExactly! Teachers are some of the highest paid people in the country. Funny how they can never seem to get the math correct on how much work they do.
Report Post »WILLIAM E.
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:51amGood point Jethro212. Try going into the private sector & asking for 4 months vacation a year. Ain’t gonna happen !!!
Report Post »jaesplin
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:05pmAs a non-union teacher from Idaho making $30,000 a year I can tell you the greed from these teachers makes me sick. But I’ll also mention that I have a 2 1/2 month summer vacation and it‘s hard to find a summer job for that length of time that isn’t at Wally World. This is my 3rd year teaching, but if everything goes well it will also be my last. Can’t provide for my family as a teacher in Idaho… should have moved to Wisconsin.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 6:53pmjaesplin,
Just divide by ZERO, and,…….
vola! Infinity!
[Mo' monies fo evryone, befo inyone has nun!]
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:09amThis is what we have let happen to our educational system. This goes to show how poor the union members are, no not the pay . . . But their intelligence. They are truly ‘useful idiots’ as Marx and Stalin eluded to.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:11pm“Have let happen,” is an accurate description of the circumstances that got us here.. The only answer now is public awareness and forcing our local lawmakers to establish an effective voucher system.. Give real choice and competition…
Report Post »annieoakley
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:33pmThe public schools are horrible in general and it starts in the universities. The colleges have been invaded by communists and the children who are teaching in K-12 (as well as preschool) have no clue and little education. They have been brainwashed in PC and spew “correct think” ad nauseam.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 6:42pm“The only answer now is public awareness and forcing our local lawmakers to establish an effective voucher system.. ”
No’ the answer is……..
to SELL the PUBLIC school systems to the PRIVATE SECTOR.
No worries, IT WILL HAPPEN,…… SOON ENOUGH.
Soon, oil will be $7 to $10 a gallon, OR HIGHER……..
Think about it, if milk [comes from a cow, a 'renewable' resource']
is $3 a gallon NOW and gas is $3 a gal NOW…
HOW MUCH IS MILK and everything else
WHEN GAS GOES TO $10??? goes to $10
The FED Gov WILL FAIL…………
The STATE Gov.s WILL FAIL………
no more unions, no “public” schools……..
can you say tsunami?
can you spell it?
Everybody…….. get ready, here ‘it’ comes.
Report Post »FreedomFighter2006
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:09amHead of the American Federation of Teachers… Sounds about right.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:20pmYeah these useful idiots are truly laughable. These overpaid crybabies should get jobs sweeping warehouses. I understand that they need a decent wage to teach our lazy, disrespectful, loafer kids we send to the public schools, but let’s not get carried away.
When a union whiner can make twice as much per hour, be less efficient, be guaranteed job security, and hope to have a pension for life doing the same job as I do in the private sector, don’t come cryin the blues to the taxpayers when your house of cards comes crashing down.
Report Post »Kisha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:08amThey’ll say anything to maintain their lifestyles, won’t they? I don’t know how these people can wake up in the morning and even look at themselves in the mirror. And NO these people will not teach my child, not now, not ever! I am looking into homeschooling or private schooling until this country get‘s it’s head out of it’s butt! Public schools have just become a liberal breeding ground. And I am sick of it already!
Report Post »tonyedward
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:23amGreat comment Kisha!
Report Post »shilohsonnet
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:37amKisha, I homeschooled for 13 plus years. Have 5 children, all are grown with children of their own. It was the best decision I ever made. They are all very successful and I was able to give them a better education than the public schools. It is a challenge, but the payoff is huge. I also homeschooled about 10 other children during that time, so my kids had plenty of socialization and I was able to help families whose parents both worked and they helped with the cost for my children. The public school system has failed for the last 30 or more years and I see it as I deal with the younger workforce each day in my current job. The amount of money that is poured into the system is ridiculous and the return in horrible.
Report Post »mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:39amIm with you Kisha.
Where are the “like” buttons?
Report Post »Insipid
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:41amPublic schools in Western MD are not all that bad. My daughter graduated with honors and already has quite the head start with her college prereqs. A majority of the problem with public shools is the parents and their lack of attention to what is going on with their kids. My daughter and I would have a discussion every night at dinner and we would discuss her day at school, my day at work, the best thing that happened to us in the day as well as the worst. Too many parents let the schools raise their children and don’t put forth the effort to do ti themselves. Indeed many of the public schools need work but on the other hand, there are some exceptional schools that do exist.
Report Post »Teapartywoman
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:48amI wish I can do something like that, as a single mother and the rent being to dame hight it’s out of my reach. Vouchers now for families like mine.
Report Post »Kisha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:16pmThanks! Notice she also use’s the word, “due process” yet when “due process” is being acted out (not in their favor) It becomes an “attack” in their eyes.
Like being a social study’s teacher makes her some sort of expert! As if…!
I’ve had my own personal battle with the schooling system in the past, which as a kid, was treated unfairly by the school system. I’ve seen what they can do to kids, and this really isn’t about helping children any longer and that is SAD! I plan on finding or organizing my own daughters schooling without the use of government! I no longer will support or be apart of government run schooling. Period!
Report Post »Kisha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:20pmINSIPID ~ OH I agree with that! Parents are lazy these days. And some have no core values. Anything goes! The problem is that when they’ve got you hooked on the free daycare and your (like one of the posters) is a single mom. They’ve got you hook line and sinker!
Even if I was a single mom, I’d either make it work with the public school or do it my self. It is possible to work and be a teacher for your own children.
If the government would get it’s mitts off our children, then I’ll reconsider public schooling.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:07pmAny parent with any sense would yank his kid out of school now. If enough parents did it – like say 40% of everybody out there, crap would change.
This union fiasco is proof that when nobody cares, the monster grows and grows and grows.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:17pmYo
Report Post »When Bruno says that 12 X 500.00 = 26,000. that’s it. you gotta problem with dis. BaddaBing
Fat Tony , Vinnie da Pizza, get over here and convince these stunads union math. Get that Fox cameraman over dare. No camera’s.
Showtime
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:59pm@mitcha_ca_sux
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:39am
Im with you Kisha.
Where are the “like” buttons?
Report Post »~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I <3 Kisha!
wildjoker5
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:12pmI hope they start standing up to keep their life styles when gas hit $4-5/gallon again. That is going to do more damage to this country as a whole than any Taxes, union dues, or benefits spending trying to be put upon them. 100% of this country is going to take a hit in their pockets in the next few months if Obama doesn’t start allowing for more oil production from the US, on shore or off. We need to get the oil producing engine running AND NOW!!! The recession started when the oil went up due to man made inflation, now this is the majority of the oil producing world is going to shut down for months, the DEPRESSION WILL HAPPEN!!!
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:33pmLike Buttons?
There is only one flavor here
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Report Post »Kisha
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:41pmLIKE! =0)~~ Thanks guys and gals for the nice comments. I got warm and fuzzy!!!! <3
Report Post »dawnmms
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:56pmAs an accountant, my first gut reaction to the headline (after I stopped laughing and giggling) was, “What a perfect example of the Union’s effect on the quality and state of our education system!” I mean OMG!! Woman, Could you not pick a better time to show your stupidity? Thank you for what I hope to be fodder for advertising AGAINST the Union!
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:32pmMy teenage daughter has been in private school ever since Kindergarten. It’s expensive as hell and I still have to shell out taxes to help the public school system indoctrinate other children in my county. I’m not rich by any standards, including Obama’s, but I realized years ago that public schools worked to undermine the Christian values that my family cherish and as time goes on, it has only gotten much worse. I would move into a trailer park before I let her go to public schools.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:07amOne word: Shyster.
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:08amno liar
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:24amI’ll bet she was the one doing the math for Obamacare, that is why they think it will SAVE us money.
Upsetcitizen
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:24amshe just made some S–t up to see if they could call her on it
Report Post »ISeeDanger.com
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:25amWhy do these hosts NEVER challenge statements like this? $100k a year? THAT IS THE ISSUE. Sorry, I have blood shooting out of my eyes right now I’m so pizzed off.
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:31amMaybe she should of done what Palin does and write her cheat notes on her hand.
Upsetcitizen
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:32amiessdanger.com: your right,
Report Post »absolutely
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:32amWanna bet the teachers will be recruiting for the O youth movement. Absolutely
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:40amTo excel in mathematics one must have a high regard for the truth and reality. To excel in propaganda one must totally disregard the truth and distort reality. Why would you expect the charlatan to be skilled in mathematics.
Report Post »http://commonsense21c.com/
IntheKnowOG
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:47amAgreed, however, Blaze editor…read this and tell me what subject you failed:
“This morning we learned that she is probably failed Math.”.
sleazyhippo
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:49amWhat a disingenuous person! Yesterday Fox revealed Wisconsin teachers were hauling in $25,000.00 for entry level jobs, and $48,651.00 for median level jobs. They also receive excellent benefits, which some say is the reason they are attracted to these state run positions, but I think getting Summers off to work a second job is right up there. That’s what I think. Some teachers have said they value teaching our children, which is what they claim has motivated them to take these positions.
Report Post »TheLascone
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:52amHaving trouble with your math ?
Report Post »http://www.flickr.com/photos/23630227@N06/
Dale
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:06pmNo, Public Education.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:06pmShe clearly meant to say $500 per week, which works out to exactly $26,000 a year.
She’s a union hack, but let’s be fair. She just misspoke.
G378810
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:11pmShe must be a product of the public school systems..
Report Post »cnsrvtvj
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:12pmIs it any wonder why are kids are failing in the basics? Two thirds of Wisconsin students can’t read at a level that is considered acceptable. I know there are good teachers, but obviously there are bad teachers as well.
http://www.donsmithshow.com – see the Wisconsin Unions video
Report Post »CatB
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:31pmOnce again proving one can be an “educated” idiot … a lot of that going around these days. Seems the more “education” the less common sense and basic skills (like MATH!)
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:33pm@ISLESFORDIAN
She probably did mispeak, but she didn’t correct it immediately like someone normally would. She left it hanging out there that the average teacher is making $500 a month. People that weren’t paying close enough attention (being the vast majority of liberals/socialists/zombies) and can’t do the math for themselves just come away with the tagline that teachers are being paid $500 a month. It may have initially been an honest bumble, but not correcting it after she said it DOES make her sound like an idiot.
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:36pmI like liar. Socialist being a former social studies teacher & we know where those studies came from. Thief for thinking they are entitled to more than anyone else. Elitist would be another example. If she can‘t divide correctly then I’m glad she’s not in the classroom any longer. She wouldn’t be qualified to teach remedial math. Math Teacher I would not use to describe her.
Report Post »moonpeace
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:59pmI think my high school teachers started this during my 1967-1969 years at Mergenthaler Vocational Technical High School in Baltimore. In fact, I think I set the record for the lowest GPA in history to have graduated. For some reason they wanted me to get out of their school so they decided to let me pass. Things have only gotten worse it does appear. These days a poor student denotes a poor teacher and teachers don’t want that showing up in their files. As one teacher recently stated, “We do what we have to do to protect ourselves, our jobs, our future. Fudging grades to pass an unworthy child will earn me greater reward down the road. However, nobody remembers the teacher who is honest and grades fairly, and therefore it will likely impact me negatively down the road.
Report Post »tvr54
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:59pmWhen do the lies stop ?
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:07pmNow you know why the unions are there to protect them (for a fee, of course),,,,,,unqualified but have the right to teach.
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:07pmShe meant to say $500. a week, even my math challenged brain knows that. This type of nit picking adds nothing, but it does add a degree of “smallness” to the argument. Please, don“t behave like ”them”.
Report Post »Mike Opelka
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:08pmDear INTHEKNOWOG, Thank you for the catch. Cheers, M.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:10pmI guess nobody here is good enough at math to figure out she meant $500 a “week”.
Okay, she made a slip of the tongue.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:15pmWho’s nit-picking? Teachers are NOT making 26,000 buck / year,,,,,maybe the aides are, but not the teachers. I checked the teachers salaries in poorest counties in Minnesota and they are making nearly 150 percent of the amount stated. 26000 per year iseither a GROSS misstatement, or outright lie,,you decide.
Report Post »michael48
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:19pmJZS…..you dems seem to slip and slide on your verbage 24/7…next blah..blah…
Report Post »takemout
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:28pmNo! DUMB!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:29pm@ AMKIIUS…….what no comments on the facts of this story huh??? Just another weak deflection about someone else when you don’t have a leg to stand on in defending this obvious fact dodger. I love when an ideologue only peddles facts when they agree with their agenda, they are their own worst enemy for exposing their dis-ingenuousness.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:31pm@ ISLESFORDIAN……….That was a misspeak, but not acknowledging the WI teachers salaries/benefits package was dis-ingenuous especially when it did not serve her agenda. She practiced the art of deception to make her position seem more favorable and sympathetic.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:33pm@ JZS ditto to what I said to ISLESFORDIAN
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:46pmwatchtheotherhand – based on the education level shown on this website I agree: teachers are overpaid.
Report Post »mickey16
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:52pmMaybe it was $500 a month after union dues.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:55pm@AKMIIKEUS
Report Post »Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:31am
Maybe she should of done what Palin does and write her cheat notes on her hand.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I agree! Then she could have had the CORRECT information. Thanks for pointing that out.
Bill
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:56pmShe meant 500.00 a week.
wildjoker5
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:03pm@Buck Bagaw
And lets see how much the right sided media gets slammed by CM and Eddypoo for pouncing on her. Giving her no time (12 hrs) to correct herself. I seem to remember Palin having a misspoken word about “North Korean” allies that she correct in the interview and that has yet to be released from the smearing talking points of Palin from MSNBC.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:04pm@ JZS………I believe sir that was an attempt to assert that opposing opinions reflect intelligence, which of course they do not. Only when an opinion is not based on fact and is logically incoherent is intelligence revealed. Although your sarcasm is appreciated, it is much more effective when it is intellectually accurate. This woman’s avoidance of the facts related to the WI events is due to her desire to reflect a more sympathetic position and she knows the FACT of a $100,000 salary/benefit package does not accomplish this for her so she simply repeats a stat that is more favorable in her opinion, regardless if it does not reflect the situation in WI accurately. That is by definition deception and misleading.
Report Post »JoeBtfsplk
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:07pmIF a REPUBLICAN had mis-spoke? Surely MSNBC would have Ed, Rachel,Chris all over it.
Get real Progressive Marxists(Obama) – - – the double standard is alive and well.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:07pm@jzs
“watchtheotherhand – based on the education level shown on this website I agree: teachers are overpaid.”
Oh, please sir, can you explain that in short, monosyllabic words that this poorly educated country bumpkin can understand?
Report Post »CyberJocky
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:12pmRandi Weingarten needs a remedial math course. What I find amazing is that noone else knows how to use a calculator either.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:20pmOtherhand – the title of this thread is “mega math fail”. When it became obvious even to those who here who can’t divide by four that it was a slip of the tounge, then the topic changed.
You say it is a FACT that teacher’s salaries are $100,000/year. That’s false. It’s under $50,000, which is 20th in the nation according to one website. Starting teacher’s salaries are 49th.
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/average-teacher-salary-wisconsin.html
http://teacherportal.com/salary/Wisconsin-teacher-salary
You should do your research as Beck says.
Report Post »rodamaa
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:27pm… and obviously mathematically challenged!?
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:32pm@ JZS………Maybe you should learn to read more carefully before sounding off from your self-proclaimed lofty perch. You are siting what the SALARY is and I, as well as Pat Buchanan, was citing the study that places a monetary value on their SALARY/BENEFIT package. You may now go and wash the egg off your face sir !!!!!!!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:34pm……….citing………..
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:46pm@ JZS……It is usually important if you are going to denigrate someone about the facts that yours be accurate, otherwise it has a disproportionate effect to embarrass the instigator as not very well informed on the topic of which they are trying to debate. Just some friendly advice.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:54pm@ JZS……….to admit you are wrong does not imply you are not intelligent or NECESSARILY imply that a general position is wrong. For if we are never wrong then we are perfect in all our knowledge and understanding, which is in itself contradictory. To assume we are always right simply displays the impossibility that we are.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:54pmI can’t understand why divide by 12 months, Teachers only work 9 months a year.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 2:57pm@JZS
And for the record, OtherHand DID state salary AND benefits, so I’m left wondering what your point was? To do one’s homework, it helps to fully comprehend the question, monsieur.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:12pmRight Ghost – at raise time I calculate salary plus other compensation for those that work for me. I only present vacation and health insurance, but other companies do it differently. If you are a low wage earner with good insurance, your insurance alone can double your compensation.
Frankly, I’m surprised anyone caught the distinction, although you seem smarter than your average bear, monosyllabically speaking.
Okay. Total compensation. So how is it calculated with these teachers? Does it include sick time? Vacation? Holidays? Funeral leave? Health insurance? Disability insurance? Compensation for continuing education? You don’t know and neither do I. It’s just a number that sounds high. That‘s why it’s being thrown out there.
So do know for a fact that total compensation for teachers in Wisonsin is lower or higher than other teachers in the northeast? Does it rank 22nd in the United States as the salaries evidently do? How does it compare to being a manager at McDonald’s in the same town?
I take it you are in favor of lower teacher compensation, something that would drive good teachers into other fields and leave your kids to be taught not by the best and brightest but by the worst and dumbest. Just what America needs: worse teachers.
Besides this isn’t about the budget, even Shep Smith and Juan Williams of FOX realize that:
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DashRipRock
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:21pmI bet JZS is the snitch
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:35pm@jzs
“Right Ghost – at raise time I calculate salary plus other compensation for those that work for me. I only present vacation and health insurance, but other companies do it differently. If you are a low wage earner with good insurance, your insurance alone can double your compensation.
Frankly, I’m surprised anyone caught the distinction, although you seem smarter than your average bear, monosyllabically speaking.”
Right, thanks.
“Okay. Total compensation. So how is it calculated with these teachers? Does it include sick time? Vacation? Holidays? Funeral leave? Health insurance? Disability insurance? Compensation for continuing education? You don’t know and neither do I. It’s just a number that sounds high. That‘s why it’s being thrown out there.”
I suspect somebody knows, somewhere. The number(s) have to be coming from somewhere, and in the age of information it certainly behooves one not to fudge numbers too much. Honestly though, I haven no idea of total compensation, as you mention. On the other hand, I don‘t think I’ve gone on record against teacher compensation, I’m here strictly in an anti-public union capacity.
“I take it you are in favor of lower teacher compensation,”
And why would you assume that? I’m actually for merit based compensation. It seems absurd to me to reward the highest performing teacher the same as under performing teachers that are in his same pay grade (assuming of course equivalent time in service/tenure). I’m all for rewarding *even more than they are today* highly competent teachers. But I’m also for dropping dead weight and consistently low performing teachers from the employment rolls. My biggest gripe with public unions, other than that it is silly that government employees are unionized against the public, is that there is no incentive whatsoever to not go for broke during negotiations. Private unions have to, at least in theory, not ask for too much for fear of putting the company under. Public unions have no such regulator on their demands.
“Besides this isn’t about the budget, even Shep Smith and Juan Williams of FOX realize that:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/shep-smith-pretending-wisconsin-is-about-a-fiscal-crisis-is-malarkey/”
Well, a fiscal crisis is present, no matter how you cut it. In Ohio (where I live) a similar battle is going on, and Governor Kasich has had nothing to do with the 8 billion shortfall we need to bridge, and is facing the same exact opposition from out of state, bussed in union thugs. The fact is, we’re simply out of money. Cuts have to be made. If we can make the cuts by having teachers finance a *small* portion of their own retirement program like the rest of us do and NOT lower their salaries, then that seems perfectly acceptable to me. It’s not the only thing to fix the fiscal mess, but there is no “one thing”, rather, a series of cuts is needed across the board. Wisconsin and other states are facing the same piper, and none of us can print our own money. Unions won’t budge, so, well, they have to be neutered. It sounds harsh, but it beats *firing* tons of teachers because the union refuses to reduce benefits, don’t you think?
Report Post »Buck Bagaw
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:36pmSilentwatcher, you should watch a little more closely. She was speaking of pensions, not the salary of active teachers.
Report Post »Wildjoker5, You make my point, just because they ridicule without any real reason, we should too?? You used MSNBC as an example, Oh yeah,it’s always a brilliant move to emulate MSNBC. Don’t get down in the mud with the liberals. You will lose, they have had a lot more practice. Be truthful and understanding, it drives them nuts.
AmericanSoldier
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:43pmThis is the only voice a worker has to impact real change in their lives if they are being abused by an Employer.
I QUIT!
You have no right to have a guaranteed job with any employer. If you don’t like the pay, find somewhere else that pays better. If you can’t, educate yourself and find a better paying profession. Or start a business. This notion that a worker needs a voice seems ridiculous to me. The business owner is who has the rights, it’s his building, his product, his idea, his capital and his investment into a certain industry. You, as a worker, are allowed to be in that building in an even exchange for your labor to receive a certain amount of monetary compensation. If you no longer agree to those terms, you are free to leave but you are NOT free to tell that business owner how to run his business.
if i want to pay you $3/hour you either take it and shut up or find another business who’ll pay you more. You do not tell me how much I will exchange your labor for my capital.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:44pmanother union scumbag criminal. Union people: you are being ripped off! Are you too stupid to see these delegates are the capitalists that you say you hate so much. Your a tool for their extravagant lifestyles. For God’s sake man, wake up!
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:45pmBeck said it was coming and here it is- Van Jones’ american dream movement. the marching orders are in. it will be the new slogan for the next two weeks.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:55pmIs this person a teacher? I’ve found over the years teachers have good jobs and great union pensions and good hours, 2 or more months off each year. What more do they want with the exception of trying to skrew the tax payer public? The kids have the lowest test scores of many other nations and we should worry? Hey, it’s all about the Children, isn’t it? Parents who don’t expect anything, stay with the union teachers, parents who want their children to excel, put them in private school or try home schooling. Bet you’re as good as many of these so called teachers. The math this union woman (top) did was an abomination. Most of us could do that in our heads, no pencil/paper.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:55pm@ JZS……I figured you for a slightly more honest person than the dodge that was that last post. You know as well as I if you reference that study they clearly state what they included in the monetary figure. Also, I figure you to be quite a bit more consistent as you and ABC argued just the other day on the premise that today you want to ignore. You guys stated that if you compare public employees and their education level taking into account the monetary value of their benefit packages that public employees are actually UNDERPAID compared to their private sector counterparts. I am sorry my friend but you can’t have it one way in that instance and another way today.
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 3:58pmmy pastor talks about finances and God every January… he talked about a labor study that described three categories of “RICH PEOPLE”.
there were the Glitzie Rich… those athletes, actors, billionaires in the public eye…what everyone thinks about when you say “look at that rich guy”…people making OBSCENE amounts of money, God Bless em….
there were the Real Rich and the Faux Rich….
the REAL rich were those people whose income plus benefits were greater than there expenses, that had a retirement, the house, the car, but didn’t FLAUNT it….they drove a Honda even though they could drive the BMW or Mercedes.
the largest group of REAL rich – the profession that is overwhelmingly OVER represented in the REAL rich… TEACHERS!! (i am one btw and wish i could afford the BMW). they are looked down on by society as a low end quasi profession so they live at or below their means, have cars that aren’t as expensive even as the ones their students drive or student parents drive…live in the neighborhood of their school…have good benefits and retirement
the Faux rich were those people that other people perceived as rich or being in a classically “RICH” profession. these people had the STATUS associated with their profession or career and tried to appear like the Glitzie Rich -super wealthy – class. They lived outside their means – house too big, cars, boats, vacation..etc…
the two groups that were overwhelmingly OVER represented in the FAUX rich class, doctors and lawyers. everyone expects that they are rich because they make a lot of money…but 30% goes to malpractice insurance, 40% to taxes…but they have an image to maintain that society puts on them so they try and live on 100% of their income but are only keeping 30%….
teacher unions like to cry and whine and BMW about low wages and national averages and never talk about health benefits or retirement benefits when bringing up the poor teachers….
well here you go…straight from the horse’s mouth…
teachers in CA make 98% of what their private sector brethren make…not bad seeing as we work 45 days less each year, once you take out holidays and vacation time for the private sector. the average starting salary for a teacher, public or private in CA, hovers around $41K a year – the state mandated a while ago that minimum salary public or private was $32K. the average district pays at least 55% of the cost of health benefits – always the CADILLAC plan option as well – usually about $10K per family with a teacher in it. the district is required by law, since CA opted out of Social Security for teachers, to pay 8.25% to the State Teacher Retirement System – STRS.
So for the AFT idiot that can’t do math….i teach math and science but i could do history or social science better then that idiot….41K pay…10K benefits… 3.5K retirement….total compensation for a CA teacher…. $55K for a college grad at age 24 (average) with NO experience and 18 months of graduate school in a teacher credential program….HOLY HELL BATMAN!!!
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:11pmAfter readin all these posts, I‘d have to say that in spite of the progressive education we’ve received, you people are just damn intelligent. I have seen excellent debate with minimally offensive posturing. that being said, guess I’ll throw my illiterate public school thoughts into the mix.
What happened to all the starving kids who rely on taxpayer dollars to eat breakfast and lunch while the WI teachers shut down the schools? Weren’t they blasting high energy german dance music at the state capitol? They really didn’t seem to care about those starving babies eating dog food in the streets. Oh the poor poor children, gimme a break.
Why do people who send their children to private schools have to pay for public schools? I’d say so the teachers union can demand larger salaries and pay higher union dues. Could be wrong, but if you know the job pays sh**ty, don’t go into the field. I think the stat I heard was that 1 in 3 public teachers send their children to private school, may be a higher %. Hmmm… guess their school really sucks. I’m probably rambling.
Were there any civics teachers from the unions there? They should be fired immediately.
And JZS, fyi, you will not find a better place to locate some of the best researchers than here on the blaze. While some of us are hard headed, we will still blow the doors off of the “tell me what to do and what to say” uninformed liberal sheep that you see attending these astroturf rallies. So be warned when you hurl “uneducated” insults at these folks. While you may be able to hide behind that computer monitor and spout off like encinom and beckisnuts, you will not be able to escape from the battlefield of ideals that rages inside of us everyday. No offense to you, I’m sure you have about 10 alias as well and can change your name at will. Best of luck to you as you attempt to slam headfirst into the patriot wall of American resolve.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:17pmanother dumb liberal pig…
Report Post »RathlokSlam
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:38pm“She clearly meant to say $500 per week, which works out to exactly $26,000 a year.
She’s a union hack, but let’s be fair. She just misspoke.”
I aggree, or at least give her the benefit of the doubt….
Report Post »cidav8r
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:42pmBUST THE UNIONS. But in this case it’s just a misspoken word. She meant to say week. (26,000 / 52 = 500) What’s the big deal? BUST THE UNIONS ANYWAY!!!
Report Post »pitboss711
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 4:57pmWeingarten is a walking, talking supporter for the conservative position on this issue. She’s head of a 1.4 million member AFT Union, but obviously wasn’t taught simple arithmetic in school. Reminds me of a sign in the Wisconsin rally…“Sav Are Teachers”. Why should teachers be paid more when they’re obviously not doing their job? These idiots should shut their mouths and go home to study.
Report Post »OneFunR6
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:02pmTHE SIMPLE TRUTH IS……………
IF you are in a union, and IF you have a lot of seniority,……..
then you will NEVER vote in FAVOR of ANY cuts to YOUR pay and/or BENEFITS,………
BECAUSE………..
IF some people get fired/laid-off,………….
IT WON’T BE YOU.
[aka screw the taxpayer AND screw your FELLOW UNION MEMBERS.]
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:08pmIndiana Official: “Use Live Ammunition” Against Wisconsin Protesters
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Update: The Indiana attorney general’s office has confirmed to Mother Jones that Jeff Cox was terminated Wednesday. The full statement and screen captures of the now-defunct blog are posted here.
On Saturday night, when Mother Jones staffers tweeted a report that riot police might soon sweep demonstrators out of the Wisconsin capitol building—something that didn’t end up happening—one Twitter user sent out a chilling public response: “Use live ammunition.”
From my own Twitter account, I confronted the user, JCCentCom. He tweeted back that the demonstrators were “political enemies” and “thugs” who were “physically threatening legally elected officials.” In response to such behavior, he said, “You’re damned right I advocate deadly force.“ He later called me a ”typical leftist,” adding, “liberals hate police.”
Only later did we realize that JCCentCom was a deputy attorney general for the state of Indiana.
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As one of 144 attorneys in that office, Jeff Cox has represented the people of his state for 10 years. And for much of that time, it turns out, he’s vented similar feelings on Twitter and on his blog, Pro Cynic. In his nonpolitical tweets and blog posts, Cox displays a keen litigator’s mind, writing sharply and often wittily on military history and professional basketball. But he evinces contempt for political opponents—from labeling President Obama an “incompetent and treasonous” enemy of the nation to comparing “enviro-Nazis” to Osama bin Laden, likening ex-Labor Secretary Robert Reich and Service Employees International Union members to Nazi “brownshirts” on multiple occasions, and referring to an Indianapolis teen as “a black teenage thug who was (deservedly) beaten up” by local police. A “sensible policy for handling Afghanistan,” he offered, could be summed up as: “KILL! KILL! ANNIHILATE!”
Early Sunday, Mother Jones sent an email to Cox‘s work address at the Indiana attorney general’s office, asking if the Twitter and blog comments were his, and if he could provide context for some of them. He responded shortly after from a personal email address: “For ‘context?’ Or to silence me? All my comments on twitter & my blog are my own and no one else’s. And I can defend them all.
“[Y]ou will probably try to demonize me,” he wrote, “but that comes with the territory.”
To be sure, in the current political climate, partisan rhetoric has run hot online—and the Constitution guarantees everyone’s right to such rhetoric. Nonetheless, a spokesman for the Indiana attorney general’s office, Bryan Corbin, told Mother Jones that Cox’s statements were “inflammatory,“ and he promised ”an immediate review” of the matter. “We do not condone any comments that would threaten or imply violence or intimidation toward anyone,” Corbin added.
The incident seems all the more troubling now that the public-sector union fight playing out in Wisconsin is now headed to other states—including Indiana, where GOP senators Tuesday passed a bill that would abolish collective bargaining for state teachers. (Indiana’s Republican governor walked back his support of the measure Tuesday after taking stock of the opposition.) Cox‘s public writings made it clear that he isn’t a member of a public-service union, and he has no love for those who are.
“Individuals have the First Amendment right to post their own personal views in online forums on their own time,” Corbin wrote to Mother Jones, “but as public servants, state employees also should strive to conduct themselves with professionalism and appropriate decorum in their interactions with the public.” Cox had been contacted by the office, Corbin added: “We have reiterated to the employee the standards of professional conduct expected for all licensed attorneys and for employees of the Indiana Attorney General’s Office. After all the relevant information is obtained, this agency then will determine whether there has been any violation of the personnel handbook.”
In the meantime, we hoped to give Cox a chance to explain his thoughts in greater detail. In his initial email to Mother Jones, Cox had written, “Ask what questions you want & I will do my best to answer. Maybe you’ll learn something. Maybe I’ll learn something.” So we emailed him a list of questions:
What did he mean when he tweeted: “Planned Parenthood could help themselves if the only abortions they performed were retroactive”?
In referring to President Obama, why did he use a George W. Bush line once directed at the Iraqi people: “Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country”?
Were members of the SEIU really like Hitler’s Sturmabteilung, and did he stand by his headline, “Putting the ‘Reich’ in Robert Reich”?
We never heard back.
Update: In an email to Mother Jones Wednesday afternoon, Indiana AG’s spokesman Bryan Corbin confirmed that Cox had lost his job. The full statement:
Today the Indiana Attorney General’s Office announced that Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Cox is no longer employed by this agency.
The Indiana Attorney General’s Office conducted a thorough and expeditious review after “Mother Jones” magazine today published an article attributing private Twitter postings and private blog postings to Cox.
Civility and courtesy toward all members of the public are very important to the Indiana Attorney General’s Office. We respect individuals’ First Amendment right to express their personal views on private online forums, but as public servants we are held by the public to a higher standard, and we should strive for civility.
Here are the screen captures of Jeff Cox’s tweets and deleted blog.
http://www.infowars.com/indiana-official-use-live-ammunition-against-wisconsin-protesters/
Report Post »obstin8
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:27pmor sphincter ?
Report Post »ForgivenWretch
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:30pmConfuse a liberal; use facts and data. This lady emulates this…..she isn’t a liar, just a moron. She’s not interested in truth, just trying to tug on the heart’s strings.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:58pmDon‘t forget the average teacher gets paid a 100k a year to beat it into your child’s head that daddy and mommy are the bad private sector or coroporate worker. Well too many in the cart and not enough pulling is what is happening here. We have public unions telling us we are not paying enough while we loose our businesses and jobs. You should have no problem with this since they spent years teaching you they are the smart ones and poor old teacher has to work 8 months a year for 20 years and spike the retirement at the end of their protected tenure to only go on and get a private sector job for 40 quarters and recieve social security also???? Don’t forget here in Colorado they are promised an 8% increase in pension every year. Even Buffet won’t promise this sort of return. Guess we will have to watch it run out of money and tell the takers to go renogotiate with some of the old politicians that bought their votes.
Report Post »icareabouttheusa
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 7:56pmYet another argument for school choice….NOW…
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 8:09pm@ JZS…………Also to point to another inconsistency in your reasoning you state …….I take it you are in favor of lower teacher compensation, something that would drive good teachers into other fields and leave your kids to be taught not by the best and brightest but by the worst and dumbest. Just what America needs: worse teachers. Are you also in favor of lowering physicians compensation so as to drive out our best and brightest physicians?? That’s all America needs worse physicians. You see my friend why your worldview is terribly inconsistent. I know you are for universal health care and that entails capping physicians salaries at an artificial level even though they finish school with the highest amount of debt of ANY profession by far. You state one thing for one situation but you argue against that very principle in another situation.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:15pmCommunists always use lies and misinformation to pervert people’s thinking.
Home school your children. Freedom depends on it.
Report Post »mhills51
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:41pmThere are great teachers, but because of the union you have to have a blood relative or a lot of connections to get in. I think that is why private schools do so great. It is made up of all those great teachers that couldn’t get into the union.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 9:56pmDang, I’ve gotten behind on replying. You guys must be unemployed and/or not have children.
Watchtheotherhand, with regard to capping Doctor’s pay, yes, I don’t favor that. But that’s exactly what insurance companies do, not the government. Let’s say your insurance is Blue Cross Blue Shield. Your doctor wants to accept patients who are covered by BCBS because otherwise they lose patients to other doctors who do accept BCBS. For every procedure, every single thing that you walk into a doctors office for, BCBS tells the doctor the exact amount the doctor will recieve from BCBS for that procedure (ever look at those forms you get from the doctor with a couple of thing checked? That form is made by the insurance company, not your doctor). If the doctor charges more, they have to get those extra dollars from the patient.
The insurance companies, not the doctors, decide what the value of their service is and pay accordingly. And, of course, the less insurance companies pay doctors, the more money they make. And BCBS can raise your insurance rates at will and drop you if you are cutting into their bottom line (at least they could before Obama care).
The government isn’t running “death panels”. That your insurance company.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 10:23pmGhostOfJefferson, getting to you. We agree that neither of us knows where this $100,000 number comes from. Maybe from some organization who is motivated to inflate the numbers? I’m sure it includes pension though, sick days, Federal holidays, and who knows what else that none of the rest of us consider part of our salary. It’s just a big number that sounds outrageous to people who are comparing it to the salary they see on their 1040. And I still don’t know how it compares to a McDonalds manager, which is a respectable job but not one that contributes anything to the education of the next generation.
If you are in favor of raising salary and benefits for excellent teachers, then I’m with you on that. I’d like to hear your ideas about how that determination is made though. Want to give your opinions on how that should done?
I have the greatest admiration for teachers and believe that those teaching the next generation of Americans deserve more than they are getting.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:11pmThis lady was taught by a UNION Teacher…evidence of the dumbing down of America.
Report Post »markdido
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 12:49am@AKMIIKEUS
Posted on February 24, 2011 at 11:31am
Maybe she should of done what Palin does and write her cheat notes on her hand.
Maybe you should “of” paid closer attention in English class?
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 8:08amMy husband did 20 years in the Navy, serving his country, for his “modest” retirement of about $1386 a month. That translates to $16,638 a year. And if he did a bad job, they could have gotten rid of him. We can’t get rid of a tenured teacher. I know, because one mentally abused my child, was caught in the act by my mother, and they just moved us to a new school. She stayed, teaching special needs children who can’t tell on her.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 9:02am@ JZS………….I AM A PHYSICIAN…….and guess what the worse payer to deal with is and other than Medicaid guess which one is the lowest payer with the most hassle……MEDICARE !!!!!!! And you think they will do a better job than private insurance companies who have to compete with one another because if their reimbursements get too low then physician will NOT accept it and their members will have a hard time gaining access to their preferred physicians. Sorry my friend you ran up my tree there and you are very misguided on your reasoning in that area !!!!!!!
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 9:08amROFL, many of you have not taken notice of the fact that JZS is a hufPOS troll and a communist shill
Report Post »I have, long ago, found that scrolling over any of ITS posts only enhances the blogging experience.
JZS has nothing original to say, IT is merely a mouthpiece for the likes of o-bow-ma and van jones.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 10:18am@ BREAD and CIRCUSES………….I know that JZS and others that comment here are probably exactly that, but I will debate and expose their fallacies all day long. Truth is truth and no matter how much they practice the truth cannot logically be argued against unless one wants to expose their own fallacies and deceptions. Also, I know others read these posts and so if it grounds them more in the truth and sharpens their thinking and vice versa then mission accomplished
Report Post »bread and circuses
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 10:45am@WATCHTHEOTHERHAND
Report Post »The trolls, like JZS, try to get you off the important points and sometimes succeed in getting you to argue irrelevant or inconsequiential minutia.
One can not have a discussion/argument with a troll who only has talking points and ITS 2 brain cells can not even keep the propaganda straight.
Your points are well thought out and expressed coherently, but they are diminished when arguing with a brainless troll.
You could address JZS’ “useful” points in the third person, just a suggestion.
Remember that JZS and ITS ilk are irrelevant.
keldog
Posted on February 25, 2011 at 11:21amI agree with ISLESFORDIAN. I think she just misspoke. I thought she may have been referring to the monthly pension benefit that is paid out after retirement. Either way, let’s not nitpick up looking like Media Matters. This is exactly the kind of thing they do.
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 12:30pmWATCHThe… and BREAD&…
Report Post »Yeesh – this just proves your thread. But it is fascinating to see how much time physicians have to troll as you put it. Thanks everyone.
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:03pmI’ll be the first to say I suck at math. What I’m good at is seeing thing for what the are. First, why are the budget bloated for the school system if the teachers are making dirt for pay… Shhh! don’t answer we all know why. Second 26k a year for a part time job is not bad. Shhhh! I’d be happy with secured paycheck with full pay, just about every holiday off, knowing you cannot get fired even if you suck so bad, plus being able to inject your personal beliefs on young eager minds to add another soilder to your cause. Now there saying they don’t have a voice…. what more can you ask for? The head of John the baptist.
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:08pmcan do stupid
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 2:58pmIt doesnt freakin matter if she misspoke. She intentionally did it Im sure. She is a professional and a teacher. All that matters right now is public perception. She was able to make this statement without it being questioned by the media host (AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN), nor did she correct herself. I personally believe it was intentional. Many LIBERAL NUTJOBS and the mass drones that dont really care or listen heard it and now think, ‘those poor teachers’. She did her job.
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 3:04pm@ SLEEZYHIPPO……….Until my friend you put in the many many hours I have, not getting paid as an intern and getting less than minimum wage as a resident working 80 and 90 hours a week. and then as a private practitioner overseeing hundreds if not thousands of people’s health and staying late doing paperwork and dictations and missing children and my wife you might be wise to keep your stupid uniformed comments to yourself. Oh wait maybe if I could join a union my work schedule would get better….oh yeah wait it is illegal for me to do that
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 5:39pm@WATCH—
I apologize, it did not occur to me that you had paid so many dues. You are awesome in that regard and deserve respect. And I am not critical – I just find it fascinating you are a physician with so much interest in these topics. Good for you! (smile)! I am sorry if I git you riled – I did not mean any criticism, just remarking on your remarkableness! I won’t refer to you any more and I do apologize for making you feel,well, bad about this. It’s really my bad. So Have a good day!
PS – have you thought about contributing some of your extra wealth to help pay down local deficits? That’s what I would do to make a difference and feel better about things. Cheers!
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Posted on February 25, 2011 at 11:01pm@ SLEEZY…………..If i wasn’t in debt up to my eye balls over 300,000 for medical education alone not to mention a house mortgage and a building mortgage for my practice and then another loan to buy the practice from the previous practitioner. I am afraid your stereotype of doctors being wealthy vanished a long time ago. Why do you think there is a crisis in this country in regard to the shortage of people going into medicine? Because the huge debt with regard to shrinking salary is making it impossible for many to keep their doors open. Many physicians go “naked” because they cannot afford to buy malpractice insurance. So I can’t tell whether your apology was sincere or simply mocking, I hope the former rather than the latter, but you obviously don’t know what many young physicians face these days. I can tell you this much. When you take my salary minus what my loan payments are plus the “benefits” I have to pay for out of pocket. I make less than what some of the upper teachers make in WI. And I am pretty sure my education was more quantity wise than theirs.
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