Memorial Service’s Native American Prayer Confuses Some
- Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:50am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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It was an 8 minute prayer that referenced everything from Father Sky to things that “slither.”
Last night’s Tucson memorial service opening blessing from Native American Carlos Gonzalez had some raising their eyebrows and many scratching their heads. What exactly was it? A prayer, a blessing, a personal information session on Carlos Gonzalez? All of the above?:
Fox News Channel’s Brit Hume commented on the prayer afterwards:
Certainly the mood in that auditorium suggested the sense of mournfulness that you might have expected and sobriety you might have expected was not to be found tonight. And of course I think the whole thing is attributable in part to the remarkable opening blessing that was delivered by … Carlos Gonzalez, who by the time it was over with, he had blessed the reptiles of the sea and he had prayed to the four doors of the building and while I’m sure that all has an honorable tradition with his people, with it was most peculiar.
One blogger described it this way:
As for the “ugly,” I’m afraid I must cite the opening “prayer” by Native American Carlos Gonzales. It was apparently was some sort of Yaqui Indian tribal thing, with lots of references to “the creator” but no mention of God. Several of the victims were, as I understand it, quite religious in that quaint Christian kind of way (none, to my knowledge, was a Yaqui). They (and their families) likely would have appreciated a prayer more closely aligned with their religious beliefs.
But it wasn‘t just Gonzales’s prayer that was “ugly” under the circumstances. Before he ever got to the prayer, Gonzales provided us with a mini-biography of himself and his family and made several references to Mexico, the country from which (he informed us) his family came to Arizona in the mid 19th century. I’m not sure why Gonzales felt that Mexico needed to intrude into this service, but I have an idea.
In any event, the invocation could have used more God, less Mexico, and less Carlos Gonzales.
While others supported the decision to use Gonzalez:
In a state that passed the English Only law and the more recent Senate Bill 1070, Dr. Gonzales represents the diversity Rep. Giffords embraces. He comes from a tribe that, because of an international border which now crosses their aboriginal homelands, has citizens living in villages in Mexico. His people are also tri-lingual speaking English, Spanish and some still speak Yoeme, the traditional language of the Pascua Yaqui.
So tonight it comes down to words from an aboriginal man, from a race of people who have consistently helped this nation in times of strife.
Gonzales is reportedly a doctor and professor at the University of Arizona college of medicine.
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Comments (692)
chasbronson
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:23amTypical liberal circus act .They haven’t got a clue.You would think the liberals were a bunch of stupid aliens who have no understanding of the human race trying to just stay under“cover” while they attempt to take over our world.The idiosy is overwhelming.
Report Post »barbaraw62
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:16amThe TV show “V” comes to mind here….. I was taken aback by the amount of noise from the crowd and the blatant disrespect for the families of those that are mourning their loss…. Shameful! Simply shameful for the stopping for applause moments…this was not unplanned…… Applause moments are planned stops within a speech….. nowhere did any of the speakers not stop for applause moments!
Report Post »Killa From Wasilla
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:16amWell obviously you can relate to stupid aliens.
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 14, 2011 at 1:31pmidiosy? lol Yup, it sure is overwhelming…
Report Post »Anamah
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:21amIs this country crazy? I can’t believe what is happening here. The poison made in Progressive think tanks (NYC?) is going to shape public opinion all over the world!
Report Post »Celtat
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:43amWe’re clearly under attack. I don’t mean to be an alarmist or be dramatic. But their systematic attacks on us seem far more organized than our grass roots defense. They work by lies and manipulation, we try to counter with faith and reason. And it seems to be getting worse, does it have to go full circle? The dark dominates for a time, and then we come back? How do we stop it, you’re at this site, and reading these comments because there’s a common thread you share. What are we experiencing and witnessing really? I’m not a fanatic, I’m a reasonable and educated person, maybe i read too many Tim Lahaye novels, I don’t know what to think anymore. We have to somehow turn back to what this country was, to our Christian values and beliefs, unshakable faith and convictions, long lost traditions.
Report Post »celtat.com
mikemanners11
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:58amIn the name of every lizard that crawls, every bird that flies, to the dog that howls, to the wind that blows, to the snake that slithers, the toad that hops, and the Illegal that swims, and especially to Mother Earth and father sky I hope and pray that you Intolerant Right wing people will have a place in your hearts for this prayer.
Super Mario
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:32pm@CELTAT:
Report Post »Your grass roots defense? Since when does a Beck financed movement get to be considered “grass roots”?
Celtat
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:35pm@super mario
Report Post »The Conservative movement as its called… is individuals, held together by love of country and their faith in God. Its not financed or organized by any one person or organization.
The Third Archon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:23pm@CELTAT
“we try to counter with faith and reason”
Faith and Reason are dichotomous–they are quite literally, definitionally, POLAR OPPOSITES.
Faith is believing something in spite of a lack of evidence, or even a preponderance of evidence against, holding the belief in question.
Reason, by contrast, is belief BASED UPON EVIDENCE, with a rational warrant connecting a belief (or claim) to the evidence in a way that it logically (or causally) follows that if the premises (evidence) are true, then the conclusion (belief) is also true, or has a preponderance of being true.
Faith is an outright and explicit REJECTION of reason and logic in constructing a belief–at least be honest in your appraisal of your belief system. Fundamentalists are at least honest–they don’t TRY to make faith or reason compatible or mean something other than what they do–they KNOW, they aren’t, and given the choice between the two, they cleave to their religion, their faith, and their belief. They’ve got stones and honesty, and you have to respect them for that at least. Meanwhile, the rationalists split down the opposite direction, losing faith but retaining reason. While that is less certain world, and one which takes a great deal more courage to face than the alternative, it is also an honest one, like the fundamentalists. Anyone who tries to have it both ways or split the middle lives with an inherent contradiction, and they are lying to themselves.
Report Post »ellietoo
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:17amIt was a pep rally type setting from the beginning. Even before the “native American blessing.” I am from the east and don’t know much about “native Americans” but I always thought the name Gonzalez was Mexican not native American. The congresswomen is Jewish. Most of the other victims are Christian. Obviously this was all run by the University of AZ which was there to support the Obama agenda and not to comfort those who suffered at the hands of a madman.
Report Post »justsaying
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:53amOut of respect to the victims, they should have included a Jewish or Christian prayer.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:16amLeave it to the Progressives (and I hate that word…call them socialists, communists…) to take a tragedy like this and then get into our faces with the collective bulls*it…I am ashamed of my once honorable State! Couple this with the Pima County sheriff, Mr. “Dope-nik”, and the Steve Gonzales radio show agreeing to provide the Westboro Baptist Church with free air time…I’d say this entire crisis has become nothing more than a three-ring circus! Actually, the irony is that it was the perfect place for Mr. Obama and his mob…he plays the part of a Three-Ring Show Master very well…maybe he can apply to Ringling Brothers after he is thrown out of the WH!
Report Post »intlctlrdnck
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:39amIt is not at all uncommon with members of the tribes here in the Southwest to have Spanish last names (case in point, you’re more likely to find a Spanish-named member of say, the Pojoaque Pueblo than a traditional Tewa name.). After all, the Conquistodors did intermingle. But with that said, I don’t believe he was chosen because of the name. He was also from academia, instead of a tribal elder/spiritual leader. So his emphasis on his Mexican heritage was intentional to make a political point.
Report Post »Super Mario
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:35pmNone of the 14000+ people there seemed to mind. How about you let people mourn however they’d like to mourn? If they wanted to celebrate the victims instead of having a 2 hour memorial of silence, then that is their God given right.
God forbid anyone tell you how to mourn when you experience a loss like they have.
Report Post »Conserving Ink
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:17amThey got Wellstoned.
Report Post »justsaying
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:51amI was thinking the same thing.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:42pmAnd Tatanka Feces looked well, stoned also.
Report Post »The American
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:17amI was waiting for the fist waving, and the chant of “yes we can” to erupt at any moment! I am sorry, but Obama is as classless as the rest of them! These people are disgusting to use what should have been a somber moment and reflection of the lives lost and turn it into a political rally!
AKMIIKEUS
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:53amWho the hell are you to tell people how to mourn at a ceremony?
The people of Tucson should decide how to mourn or celebrate the dead and the living.
The ceremony was to celebrate the heroe’s as well.
I guess Conservatives are the only ones that know how to mourn. What an idiot you are.
jerryod1627
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:17pmIt surprised me that obama didn’t end his speech with “praise be to allah”!
Report Post »Super Mario
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:36pm@jerryod1627
Yes, because that’s how he always ends his speeches.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:15amJust weird all the way around; creepy, frankly.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:29amAgreed. Made me a bit uncomfortable watching it. A simple speech from the Pres to address our sickness and loss would have been sufficient. Had too much of a pep session feel IMHO.
Report Post »lynn4
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:14amGet real. If you hand out thousands of printed T-shirts and have a brochure instead of a memorial bulletin, it’s a political rally. They just allowed Brewer to speak for the sake of face.
This is the sort of transparency we can continue to expect these next 2 campaign years.
Report Post »Paleo Archer
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:13amObama’s first visit to Arizona…I believe. Calculated. Cheap. I am sorry, but anything this guy and his administration does I feel is not genuine. Seems so empty.
Report Post »sasoldier4god
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:13amI think Carlos Gonzalez was trying to make a political statement.
Report Post »SHANK
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:13amI was put off by his biography and the pep rally attitude of the crowd
Report Post »Angie
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:36amI agree. The crowd should be ashamed of itself. All the noise and cheering seemed to be coming from the back/cheap seats. Is this where the students were sitting? I guess we can all show up at their parents/financial supporters funerals and clap and whistle. I was in another room for the first few minutes of the memorial, and I thought my husband had turned on a game that was in the last minute with a tied score. They owe the victims an apology. Shame on them.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:12amJust another Democratic pep rally…..
Report Post »brliantedj
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:12amI actually hoped our President didn’t mention the girl. She deserves better.
Thighmaster
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:10amI kept waiting for the clowns and juggling act. I guess they were there in suits. God help us if the government ever gets more involved in our memorial services…
Report Post »nuttyvet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:09amPolitically Correct BS meant to show how open minded and accepting the Left can be. Personally, I am offended that a memorial service was opened with prayers from a medicine man and not an ordained minister.
Report Post »Tucsonan
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:24amHe was not a medicine man and he made that clear before his prayer.
Report Post »stoneflyMT
Posted on January 14, 2011 at 7:46pmI shouldn’t be surprised how stupid and self-righteous most of the comments on here are, but, jeez, you’ve all taken it to a whole new level with this one. Why do you think your opinion of the proper way to run and organize a memorial is the correct one? If you were even remotely secure in your religious faith, you wouldn’t have all this manufactured indignation over the Native American prayer. You call yourselves Christians? Hardly. Why do you need external validation from people you hate? If the people of Tuscon want to hold their memorial how they see fit, then that’s their right. You have no moral or religious authority to claim they didn’t do it properly. And the ignorant comments regarding Native Americans are just par for the course for you idiots. You do realize that Native Americans were here first, right? They were here long before your ancestors came over on the boat. Show a little respect. Your self righteous, judgmental, and condescending attitudes are shameful. This is exactly what Glenn was talking about today when he focused on the attitudes of Gov. Rendell, et. al., and their superiority complexes. All you Blaze freaks think you’re so much smarter, and holier, and closer to jesus than anyone else. Get real. You’re nothing but an insecure, scared little schmuck.
Report Post »SnapTie
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:08amWhat was more confusing to me were the blue Tee shirts Obama handed out. “Together Te thrive”
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:48amI just saw the t shirts for the first time and was appalled. This was supposed to be a memorial, not a political marketing opportunity or a group field trip. I think the t shirts were insensitive at the least. I wonder what the families of those injured and killed thought of them? I guess if they agreed it was acceptable I could llive with it, but ALL of them would have to agree.
Report Post »EgoBrain
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:44amT shirts and cheering at memorials, prayers to reptiles and underworld things. This is the new America?
Report Post »Well I don’t like it.
libertybella58
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:08amAs a member of a tribal community myself I can say that his prayer was most unusual. As an elder he said he was given permission to perform public blessings and prayers. All prayer is sacred, unfortunately he tainted this prayer when he made it about himself. He should be admonished by his Council Elders. His prayer was not of any native tradition that I have seen.
Report Post »Tucsonan
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:36amHere is a link to the website for the Pasqua Yaqui Tribe. I myself read through the history and culture and there was no mention of Mexico being a part of it at all. Just some food for thought. http://www.pascuayaqui-nsn.gov/
Report Post »BJH
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:07amThe man is not a NATIVE American. The tribe immigrated to the US from Mexico because of Mexican persecution. His father was Indian and his mother was Mexican. It was an attempt to bring Mexican immigrants into the equation of which none were victims. Just as obama also felt compelled to bring up the mention of vitriol. I saw this as inappropriate at a memorial.
Report Post »As for the T-shirts, it may have been supplied by the college but had the slogan of a campaigning presidential candidate. Which is the only thing he knows how to do. Where was any honest emotion from obama?
AriBenTZion
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:07amCarlos, I’m from the tribe of Benjamin – and who the hell cares? Who the hell cares what tribe this guy belongs to and what does he, Mexico and all the other tomfoolery he spoke about have to do with a memorial for the shooting victims and their families?
Report Post »Laus Deo
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:05amDances With Peyote…
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:46pmGood one.
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 4:10pm“Howdy there, Colorful Replica Of America’s Past! When is the exciting – in – its – primitive – splendor Snake Dance going to take place??
FST
Report Post »LifeProject2012
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:02amAnd bless the cockroaches and the eight legged spiders and the mold and fungus among us… Sheesh!
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:31pmIt is ridiculous and embarrassing for a grown man to be speaking nonsense like that.
Report Post »If a man expects to be taken seriously, he needs to be logical in his beliefs.
SecretPolice
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:00amI figured a witch doctor was up next with some voodoo words of wisdom as well.
Seriously, very strange indeed.
Report Post »EgoBrain
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:40amOk, this made me laugh. :D
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:49amThis was disgusting, a insult to those who take their Christianity seriously. Why would those in the audience appreciate this self serving display of pagan religion with his stupid feathers waving in the air.
The american indians are a conquered people. They need to recognize their present condition and integrate fully into the present. Living in the past serves no one well. It is embarrassing to hold on to a religion that has no value.
Shocking? I speak truth here, and you all know it.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:15amIt is a waste of time and energy to follow a false religion. It is dishonorable to listen to a false teacher. Logic tells us it is stupid to follow pagan religion, so, why do so many succumb to it and passively accept it?
Report Post »Deuteronomy 13:1-4
justice
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:00amWhat the hell did this have to do with the families tradedy. A political move to up ratings of the Dem-Wits.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:46amI tried to watch, but when I saw this heathen give honor to everything but the true living GOD. I could not watch. Dog and Pony show. What a waste.
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:00amDon’t let a crisis go to waste. I’m wondering if all of this hype leading up to the memorial service was all planned to make our Dear Leader look more “Presidential”? I may be giving the Progressives too much credit…..one thing is for sure, the media is once again “ooowing” and “awwwwing” Obammy again this morning…..I’m such a sucker for a good love story.
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:59amThats what happens when you spend most of your time drinking Ly-Sol.
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Pendragon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:04amI really think that stereo type of Native American Indians and gentically proven issues concerning alchohol addiction to be way out of line.. I am really shocked at how brazen you were in posting something so insensitive..
EyeofthePatriot
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:07pm@PENDRAGON
I would agree with your sentiment however I think he may have been talking about the crazy college students who were acting like a bunch of idiots at a rock concert.
Report Post »enduro
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:58amThis pep rally/ memorial service was disgusting. Obama gave out T shirts and a New Slogan “ together we thrive” . Am i the only one that was horrified by the cheers, whistles and clapping at this so called memorial service. If i was the Dad of the slain 9 year old i would have walked out in the middle of this compaign rally. what a mess.
Report Post »Helldogger
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:05amI wouldn’t say “horrified”. More like disgusted. Reminded me of the Paul Welstone funeral. These people have no shame.
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:48am_Enduro_
The t-shirts were given out by the University. The Obama admin. had nothing to do with them. If you have issue with the t-shirts then take that up with UofA, not Obama. Get your facts straight.
Bedlam
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:12amOops!… It Looks Like Obama Fibbed About Giffords “Opening Her Eyes for the First Time” (Video)
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/did-obama-lie-about-giffords-opening-her-eyes-for-the-first-time-video/
“Giffords is in a drug-induced coma in intensive care. Doctors frequently awaken her to check her responsiveness, and she could open her eyes and respond to simple commands Sunday – an encouraging sign, Rhee said.” Posted Jan 9, 2011, 12:40 pm (6th paragraph)
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/010911_giffords_condition
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:20amMIDDLECLASSPROPHET
Report Post »Who cares about the facts? We just want to be like the left lying scums that we have to endure very day! Hey, if you can’t beat them, join them! Since when did the left care about facts! Oh I forgot! Only when its about them! Hypocrites!
EgoBrain
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:38am@Enduro, I think I would have, also. Walked out.
Report Post »dsd13130
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:38amMy thoughts exactly. I would have walked out if this had been a memorial for my loved ones. Why would the crowd there behave as though they were at a pep rally and what’s with the T-Shirts? Just disturbing.
Report Post »MamaofJ5
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:45amI agree, Enduro, I was real uncomfortable. This was promoted as a memorial service. I expected somber moods, tears, ect… The cheering, hooting and hollaring was weird. Maybe if they had called it a celebration of life or something. I have never been to a wake, funeral or memorial service where people clapped and cheered. I actually turned the channel because I was embarrased for everyone, and I felt really bad for the families who lost loved ones.
Report Post »FWEngineer
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:36amI was willing to take the speech at face value until I heard about the T-shirts and the logo. It seems everything BHO does is cynical and political. It’s never from his heart, if he has one.
Report Post »Modern Patriot
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:55amMIDDLECLASSPROPHET: Just because the University gave them out doesn‘t mean that Obama didn’t know anything about it and he certainly could have said that he thought it inappropriate. I will be happy to give him the benefit of the doubt but somehow I don’t see it.
Report Post »enduro
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:07amtake a look at jarad ex girlfriend , she resembles Gabby: Now you know why he did it! besides being bat crap crazy….
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bUPnRwe8UGU/TS56lmZ1aLI/AAAAAAAAFHo/wHv0gmZPlFw/s1600/jerads%2Bex.bmp
Report Post »bestartist
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:12pm@Enduro, I totally agree with you
Report Post »The entire circus, uh,“memorial” was surreal and disrespectful and The Theater of the Absurd from beginning to end.
I think this must be the first “memorial” with Yacqui blessings (I am an equal opportunity blessing advocate and at a pep rally or circus this would have been terrific, along with Buddhist, Pagan, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Cherokee, Hindu, Jain, Sufi & Bahai blessings ), hooting and hollering, cheering & T shirts.
Ever since this tragic event occurred, it has been worked to the last nerve.
A Memorial Service is for those being remembered…….and not a PC, political, crisis to be used, exploited /not wasted…….
this entire tragedy has been an illustration of mass media manipulation, exploitation and the whoring out of heartbreak for personal gain.
One of the saddest things is the rebamboozlement of so many who should really know better…..
the entire event was an embarrassment and I pray that the kool-aid is not being drunk again,
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me
citygirl56
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:54amIf you can’t dazzle them with brillance, Baffle them with bulls**t !!
Report Post »BeckIsNuts
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:03amWe can chalk this one up to entertainment I suppose.
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:03amI was saddened to see a event that should have been full of respect and sympathy for the loss suffered by so many turn into a political rally. I am sure those family’s who lost loved ones were deeply insulted by this display of yet more political correctness and cold uncaring Progressive politics.
Report Post »Sledgehammer
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:06amBeing of Irish, Italian, and American Indian (not native American) from witnessing my aunts and uncles, I can honestly say, it’s the way of our people to leave others confused! Also adopted by politicians every where!
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:07amProgressive have no shame. To male a memorial service into a political rally and by doing so disrespect the memory of those lost is disgusting.
Report Post »captaincrunch
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:08amBreak out with the Peyote…
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:14am“like”
Report Post »Muslim in Chief
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:15amThis horror tragedy has been a goat rape since the begining, with the left trying to blame everyone but the shooter for this, up too and including the way the mutant has been handled. Why should this reading be any differen? My heart goes out to the people and their families who are part of this national tragedy (I am talking about the Political Blame game here)
Yesterdays Peace Prize Prez Pep rally was no different. The Telepromptor in Chief was his usual. I am just surprised that he didn’t announce his running for Prez in 2012 at it….
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:46amLeave it to this site to criticize the native American prayer from last night. Arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.
gobluebuckeye
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:48amI was very embarrassed for the City of Tuscon and the State of Arizona last night. First off its started like a rock concert with the crowd going nuts, then the opening musical number “Fanfare to The Common Man” which is a good song but it felt very out of place for a memorial. The Indians Blessing did not bother me, except it was the opening blessing, and for a nation of mostly Christians and the victims were mostly Christan I think it was improper to start the whole event off with a blessing from an Indian that seemed to be rambling at times, and cracked a joke a minute into his speech. If am not a Obama supporter of Obama at all, but he had his finest moment as President in my own opinion. his speech was well crafted and delivered, even though the crowed behaved in a very strange manner. The audience was extremely embarrassing, when Obama brought up the story of the man jumping in front of his wife to save her life, the crowed went nuts, like they were at a basketball game. The whole thing just did not feel somber at all, and left me very uncomfortable.
Report Post »APatriotFirst
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:51amThis man is not a medicine man of his tribe. Hence, his words are just words.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:57am@MiddleClassProphet
“Leave it to this site to criticize the native American prayer from last night. Arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.”
I’m not quite current, can you please inform me which of the deceased was a Yaqui Indian? Also, and please forgive my being behind on the events last night, what Christian priest/preacher delivered a prayer since the article mentions that many of the deceased were Christians?
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:58amI held my tongue or fingers or whatever on this one while he was praying or blessing or whatever because I don‘t want to be disrespectful of anyone’s religion.
Given some thought on the subject, I’m now wondering why was this guy involved? None of the people were Yaqui. Snakes, “things under the earth” and “four-leggeds” were not involved.
I seem to be vindicated in my understanding that nearly if not all of the injured were Christian or Jew, but not necessarily religious. Well, both Christianity and Judaism consider snakes and “things under the earth” to be religiously unclean. Why is this guy praying to or for them?
This really smacks of the same type of the hyper-inclusiveness of the Obama administration. In this episode, we find out the benediction is being delivered by a M.D. who‘s been given special permission by his tribe’s elders to act as a medicine man and he’s is a fifth generation Mexican-hyphen-American (that apparently identifies more as a Mexican than an American). REALLY? This guy literally represents 2.27% of the population of Tucson, and NONE of the victims!
http://tucson.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
Everywhere Obama goes, there’s always an outside-of-the-mainstream ‘hyphen” in some effort to promote inclusiveness. It’s kinda like the old “One of These Kids” segment from Sesame Street, it just comes down to finding that person.
Report Post »Highland
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:05amObama has no shred of decency whatsoever. T-shirts? Really?!? And Indian prayers for Catholic, Baptist, Jewish shooting victims? I’m sure he thinks his little campaign rally was a big success, Wellstone 2.0, so to speak.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:07amLet me amend my previous comment… he represents LESS THAN 2.27% of the population, because I’m pretty safe in assuming there are different tribes of Native AMERICANS there than just the Yaqui.
Given where Tucson is, I’d expect other tribes in the area as well.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:08am@ Highland
AGREE! That was exactly what I was saying all night last night on Twitter.
This was the Wellstone Memorial, Part Deux.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:21amDid he say he as Yaqui or yakety? I‘m thinking he’s both. That was one long prayer! Then again, most campaign rallies are long and drawn-out.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:27amsheriff dupnik. Why was he there? He is an obvious extreme partisan.Kind of reminds me of the palestinians complaining of the Israeli defenses defendeing themselves from the knife weilding flotilla thugs.
Report Post »Tony
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:35amRemember it was the decision of the President of the University to have this weird “blessing” as a lead off. With such great “knowledge and wisdom” in leadership, no wonder his students didn’t have a clue nor gave a flip about the supposed purpose of the event. I suspect the college security detail were greatly relieved students didn’t start shouting “where’s the beer!”
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:39amWondering if THIS is a part of what he’s teaching at the University? This was bizarre. Even more bizarre, was all those supposed Christians bowing their heads, at this ‘prayer’.
Report Post »“Let US bless”??? God is the one who Blesses.
Knowing that most college professors are libs/socialists, I couldn’t help but wonder if his son is in Afghanistan as a U.S. Military member, or in some training camp.
Kpax
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:45amIf the victim’s families are Ok with it then who am I to judge.
RamboTheDog
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:53amgobluebuckeye
Couldnt have stated my feelings any better than your post. I turned the TV on to watch after it started and was greeted to whoops, hollering, whistling and clapping? wtheck was that?
Report Post »Modern Patriot
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:08amWe have forgotten how to grieve and show our last respects as a country. That’s why were in the current economic position were in. The moral bar has been dropped so low that when the leader of our country goes to an event to respect the dead he hands out T Shirts and the crowd roars with excitement. It was very inappropriate for Mr. Gonzalez to be doing what ever that was he was doing. This is still a Christian Nation and was founded on Christian principles. I believe in freedom of Religion but none of the victims were Indians, at least based on what I have heard. This is just another example of the political class trying to ram diversity down our throats when it should be done in a venue that allows participation, not forcing it on us.
I know many will say what a good speech the President gave and I think it was pretty good myself but it was simply words, not actions. The T Shirts cheapened the entire event. This was not the place to start his 2012 campaign.
Please pray for healing of those still in the hospital and for the families of those who died.
Report Post »gulfstream41
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:10amThank you very much; you made my day. I went to bed last night pretty disgusted with Carlos Gonzalez, all the cheering and clapping and even the picture taking; your comment straighted out things for me. Once, I heard a phrase with simmilar connotations: ” If we can’t be profound, let’s be obscure ” and I thought it was good; however, yours is more direct and I think I needed to hear something like that; again, thank you
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:14amSac amindy imswime bubla hime swime popa tu ti yea. First time I’ve ever tried to write that. Have you ever seen that picture of barry as a witch doctor?
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:38amHe wasn’t a Yaqui. Their all gone. Ole gonzalez is just an old long haired mexican indian wanabe.
Report Post »What a absolute joke.
shorthanded12
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:40amMuslim in Chief
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:15am
This horror tragedy has been a goat rape since the begining, with the left trying to blame everyone but the shooter for this, up too and including the way the mutant has been handled. Why should this reading be any differen? My heart goes out to the people and their families who are part of this national tragedy (I am talking about the Political Blame game here)
Yesterdays Peace Prize Prez Pep rally was no different. The Telepromptor in Chief was his usual. I am just surprised that he didn’t announce his running for Prez in 2012 at it….
His anouncement will come right before the “UNIONS” will ask for another Bailout. Which will be Barrys cry for we gotta help the economy………
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:42amAdd your comments
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:44am@Gostofjefferson
In 1964, Yaquis received 202 acres of land from the U.S. Federal Government near Tucson, Arizona. Formal recognition of the Pascua Yaqui Tribe by the U. S. came on September 18, 1978.
Yaquis have dwelt in the area of the southwestern United States since the incursions by Spanish missionaries and soldiers in the 18th century; Yaqui oral tradition and history emphatically state that there were small Yaqui settlements centuries before the arrival of the Europeans. The town of Tubac, Arizona, had Yaquis in its Spanish garrison.
Try reading up on the culture in Tuscon, AZ, especially the University. The Yaquis tribe is well respected and is woven into the fabric of that community and college. Try doing some research before questioning the who and why about the prayers at that memorial. If I’m not mistaken, both Holder and Politano quoted from the Bible…but like everything else, it’s simply not enough for the blazers on this forum. Typical.
AzDebi
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:49amHis third sentence to a “NATION IN MOURNING” is to introduce HIMSELF as MEXICAN! Unless you live in Arizona (and I do)…you DO NOT UNDERSTAND the beating we have taken over our stand to protect OUR BORDER WITH MEXICO!!!! For this man to begin his address to a “NATION IN MOURNING” with this statement is absolutely rude, inconsiderate, and blatantly a slap in the face to all of us who live here! THIS WAS NOT ABOUT HIM and WAS NOT ABOUT MEXICO! It is absolutely predictable that this would fuel an already inflammable climate…how could it have been anything but intentional…I realize that this was not held at a church or other place of worship, however, a somber, respectful atmosphere would have been appropriate so as not to insult the COLLECTIVE!!!!!!!! This WAS NOT ABOUT THE VICTIMS…IT WAS ABOUT PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:50amBS – Buffalo Sh it
Report Post »Killa From Wasilla
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:05amOMGosh
Is anyone shocked about the reaction from the people of the right? This is what they do, they attack minorities. No respect for traditions or customs of minorities from the people who were the first true American’s.
Marylou7
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:11amI thought this was a memorial service for the ones that died, not Giffords and her political agenda. This pc crap has gone way too far in this country. If you want to make a political statement don’t do it at a memorial service for six diverse peoples. Whoever planned this service should be ashamed, very ashamed but I‘m sure they’re not.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:16amAll of the victims will have private religious services. This was a memorial from the people of Az., not a religious event. I live In Surprise, Az. We memorialized them as Arizonans and Americans not as Christians, Jews, etc. Get it? Probably not.
kryptonite
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:17am@middleclassprophet
So now we are injecting the Fairness Doctrine into memorial services? A Yaqui has the right to impart the blessing for dead Christians/Jews, because all religions must be represented. I see… Geez, they slighted the Muslims in AZ. I suppose they have to go to the back of the line.
Do you understand the difference between reading a passage from a holy book, and invoking a blessing/PRAYING upon initiation of a memorial service? Guess not.
Report Post »dabbo
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:30amIf you want a subdued, quiet affair don’t invite 15,000 college students (i.e. Obamzombies)…..1/2 these kids have no manners at all and a smaller but substantial number are barely housebroken. That being said, the same thing would have happened at most any major university.
Lib dems love these kind of events, Lots of cameras and hollow speeches to prove to the world how much they care….and hey, if you can shine the spotlight on a pagan ritual, with a 1/2 Mexican, medicine man’s apprentice all the better. The fact that this guy is a faculty member there is almost as sad as the memorial service itself.
Report Post »natstew
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:49amBECKISNUTS, you need to just shut up. You‘ve already proven over and over that you’re a fool. Nothing left to prove.
Report Post »chuck_wagon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:13pmHey Killa, it’s a 2 way street buddy.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:20pmmiddleclassprophet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:46am
Leave it to this site to criticize the native American prayer from last night. Arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.
what was disrespectful was to make a MEMORIAL SERVICE about 6 fallen victems, into a cheap political rally complete with free T-shirts
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:24pmbut like everything else, it’s simply not enough for the blazers on this forum. Typical.
LowclassP
This Memorial Service was about the tragic loss of 6 people not about how great a tribe of Mexican-Indians
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:35pmNo respect for traditions or customs of minorities from the people who were the first true American’s.
Killa
Report Post »This was not about minorities or Indians or Mexicans, it was about 6 fallen AMERICANS
(BY the way, they were not the first true Americans)
Republic Under God
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:48pmI am with Walkwithme. I thought the whole service was great. The only akward thing was the pep-rally energy of the audience. Though I’d prefer that energy and zeal over solemn mourning.
Mr. Obama was amazing. I was so proud of my president last night. My only criticizm is his timing on reigning in those caitalizing politically on this mass murder. As our leader, I think this message should have been made sooner.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:14pm@ Deuteronomy22
OK, so you say you memorialized them as Arizonans and that’s fine if true.
Is worship of creepy crawly things prevelent in Arizona, given that this guy’s tribe makes up less than 2.24% of the Tuscon population? If you’re memorializing them as an Arizonanan and an American, shouldn‘t they be memorialized in a way that’s the most common in that area?
You think maybe this portion of the service was needlessly inclusive of a people and religious practice that are represented neither in the victims nor in better than 97% of Tucson’s population?
My question is, why weren’t a Shiite Imam, a couple of Burmese Buddhit monks, and a Tanzanian witch doctor called in to recite prayers? They had just as much representation in the victims of the shooting as the I’m-Not-a-Medicine-Man-But-I’m-A-Native-Mexican-American-MD did.
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:04pmHi ya BECKISNUTS. Still trying to fit in on a conservative board? MMMmmmmmmm. Have nowhere else to go?
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:10pm@leftfighter
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:14pm
@ Deuteronomy22
OK, so you say you memorialized them as Arizonans and that’s fine if true.
Is worship of creepy crawly things prevelent in Arizona, given that this guy’s tribe makes up less than 2.24%
Report Post »He is an Arizonan. Arizonans make up 100% of Arizona’s citizens. He chose to pay his respects in a way to which he is accustomed. Worship of creepy crawly things vs some magical man living in the clouds doesn’t really matter. The sentiment is the same. We are all saddened and have experienced a tragic loss of life no matter our personal religious beliefs.
Soldiers_Son
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:29pm@Killa
“Is anyone shocked about the reaction from the people of the right? This is what they do, they attack minorities. No respect for traditions or customs of minorities from the people who were the first true American’s.”
I think you are confused here. Actually I am 100% certain you are confused or are intentionally trying to play the race card.
You talk about no respect for minorities and their traditions and customs, but was this memorial service about minorities and their traditions and customs? Were any of the people killed in that attack part of this guys tribe? Did any of them actively worship with him?
I thought this was a memorial service not some multicultural appreciation event. I thought it was to honor the people who died not to bring awareness of the plight of local Indians. I thought it was to bring awareness of the tragedy and condemn these type of acts not some Arizona minority traditions fair.
Your comments show that you have no respect for the people who died and for their traditions or customs. And neither did the people who organized the event.
This was not an attack on minorities, or anything of that nature, it was an attack on the idea that this person was even relevant to the event and that he should not have been there. He was irrelevant and unnecessary since he did not reflect the religious beliefs of the deceased or their families. His race has nothing to do with it, and the fact you even brought it up shows you are a race baiter. When honoring the dead you should do so respectfully by invoking their religious beliefs, traditions and customs, not bring your own and impose them on the mourners.
This whole incident, with the t-shirts and all, just proves that this was a political rally and not anything more (even though I thought the President did a good job with how he handled his comments).
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:08pmYes and I am so sick of this nonsense any prayer to any being is fine except to the true and living God and his son Jesus Christ.
Report Post »GeauxAlready
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:53amCheif Looney Toon thru me for a loop! Feather shaking, windows, doors, wind(ooops that was a fart) what the hell was that?
Killa From Wasilla
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:18amWell it’s obvious you know nothing about Native American Indians and/or Mexican Americans and their customs and traditions.
People like your ingorant self should just keep their traps shut.
Okay? Thank you!
drattastic
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:25am@killa ,Were any of the victims Yaqui Indians ? I doubt it .So this was silly and disrespectful.
Report Post »middleclassprophet
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:29am-kryptonite-
Fairness doctrine? What the heck does that have to do with anything? You obviously need to do a little more research on the American Indian culture in the state of Arizona. And for a so-called “christian” to question why his blessing needed to be a part of the service is anything BUT christian. Try opening your mind a little bit and respecting the religions of others instead of claiming to have the copyright on religious beliefs.
Sevens
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:33amhey wasilla .. Im native american and I agree with his comment. Carlos was self promoting. This whole thing stank! Do you think the liberals want God mentioned? They could barely stand the word as it was. It wasn’t a native american who was killed either. This whole thing was politized and Obama really didn’t care except that a fellow commy was injured. Please give me a break. Nothing is going to improve between the left or the right until the “Constitution” is brought back and used to guide this country forward. The only alternative is war.. and you know the elitest liberals wont risk their lives.!!!
jdog777
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:43amThis was about the most odd thing I have ever seen in a MEMORIAL service. This wasn’t about the Rep Giffords and her constituency, as the blogger supporter mentioned. This was about the 6 people who were slain that dreadful day. The prayer should have been tied closer to the beliefs and traditions of the fallen. There is no doubt this half mexican/half Yaqui, clearly hasn’t moved on to “American” in the 5 generations since his family escaped genocide to the safety of the USA. You would think he would embrace the culture that saved his family instead of the embracing the culture in Mexico that wanted to destroy his family. I for one proudly embrace my American culture and reject both my European and Iroquois cultures in their blood lust and tyranny.
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:46am@Sevens
I seriously doubt you are an American Indian. Just sayin!
AKMIIKEUS
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:50amWhy does it matter that not one of the dead was Native American?
Not one of the dead was African American but yet the President of the United States was there.
So since only white people were killed in this tragedy, only white people can attend and speak at the ceremony?
Do you realize how ignorant and stupid you people sound?
Wow, the people on the “Blaze have reached a new level of ignorance.
Dandylyon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:00pmThis character and his belief’s had nothing to do with the people in the incident at all.There should have been a effort to find out what denomination‘s the people who died were and an effort made to accommodate THERE belief’s.
Again some how a progressive got in to force there will on others with NO respect for the fallen.This was as disrespectful as it could have been and a pure political stunt.
The communist are comeing people and nobody will stand in there way.NOT EVEN 76% OF THE POPULATION,something to think about.
Ranubis
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:05pm@wasilla…You will be assimilated, resistance is futile. We are America.
Get over yourself douch-bag
CYCLONE
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:06pmmescaline is a wonderful drug…
Signed,
Peyote Man,,,
Report Post »Dandylyon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:07pm@AKMIIKEUS,Ignorance is the person makeing this racial and with no respect for the fallen and there belief’s.It’s about them you clown not and your progressive agenda.
Report Post »The only problem with the Blaze is you progressive, who come here to talk your lie’s and hate mongering.
FormerLib
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:09pm@AKMIIKEUS
Gee, I don’t know, maybe for the same reason that a white layman in a Catholic church would probably not be well suited to eulogize and memorialize (the supposed purpose of the event) a group of black people killed in Harlem or South Central. Wouldn’t be wrong, but it wouldn’t be sensitive, either, unless there was a larger agenda in play. Just more typically liberal multicultural claptrap. If they really wanted to memorialize these people,they’d have had their own pastors and friends speak, not a bunch of strangers for the cameras.
Report Post »drkmagneto
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:09pmI‘m kind of surprised that Big Sis and Atty Gen Stedman didn’t burst into flames when they read scripture. How much arm twisting did that require on Barry’s part??
Report Post »infidelamerican
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:13pmit’s just another attempt to get amnesty via sypathetic blackmail.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:15pmAKMIIKEUS
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:46am
@Sevens
I seriously doubt you are an American Indian. Just sayin!
I seriously doubt you are not mentally insane, Just sayin
Report Post »Allamoka
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:17pm@middleclassprophet
Get your “C”hristian facts straight. Also, try spelling the word “C”hristian with a capital next time before you start railing on the insensitivity and ignorance of others. A huge majority of Americans would agree that this service should have had a “C”hristian invocation. This was not simply an Arizona thing, it was to honor the fallen who were all professed “C”hristians. With regards to the “C”hristian facts: Jesus never taught that absolutely loving someone was also absolute acceptance. If that were true then we could all profess to mother earth, deny Jesus and still get into God’s heaven.
Report Post »GeauxAlready
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:23pmThe fallen were to be honored. The political tone was set by Chief Looney Toon and all the clapping trained seals that showed up for their leader. This is a christian nation or at least I thought it was. And to have this racist quack get up and spew to the four winds was appauling. Where were the Minsters of the fallen? What about the Parish Preist where the judge just left mass, where was he?
The explotation of the dead is and will always be disgusting.
I hope we can all speak without fear, but has being PC trumped common sense? I said Nappy Hair and got banned from posting on this site for a while. And I‘m sure i’ll say something in the future that will cross the line or at least slip into the gray. So should I be afraid one of you will report me to the PC police. Is this how we want to live going forward? By letting the progressives in this country lead us by the tounge down that road.
So what do we do, what can we say, how should we act, who should we fear?
If I say anything that offends you. Well I could say grow a pair! But, I will ask instead for you to forgive me in advance.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:32pmthe good thing while following facebook during service, conservatives and democrats were all appaled by the obvious incorrect political rally. People have their own eyes and ears and they don’t need olbermann and mathews to translate the events. it was a disaster for democrats, just like their 4 days of attacking palein, beck and rush. they look more foolish then on friday before events transpired
Report Post »tjdavid21444
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:33pmYeah! Only really smart people like Killa should be allowed to talk. Where’s that fairness doctrine when I need it. I need to quiet those ignorant people down.
Report Post »heidi586
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:34pmThe cheering by the crowd, during his self promotion, was what I found most odd/disturbing. If I was there to mourn/lift up my loved one in memorial…the last thing I would have wanted to hear would be a bunch of cheering because the speaker is of Mexican decent!! This has nothing to do with “respect” of others religions…it has to do with “respect” for the dead and those injured. Show me any religion where CHEERING of nationality is part of a memorial service.
Report Post »White Devil
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:47pmHow offensive this liberal bunch are. If I were there and one of my family members had been killed, I would have jumped up and grabbed the mic from the POSPOTUS and insisted that he leave. I would have stopped chief dumbass from yammering his offensive so called “prayer” which was more like a payote induced nightmare. This idiot president proves everyday that he is not a Christian but rather hates all things Christian. Stop being so “P.C.” America. Stop sitting on your hands while this pagan witchdoctor insults Christians and Jews. Rise up, let your voices be heard.
Alydia
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:52pm@Killa From Wasilla…you can keep your goofy prayers and the Christians will keep theirs. There was no need for this person to give prayers or rattle feathers as none of the victims was of Indian descent. No one has a problem with how Indians pray but his prayers wasn’t needed there…it appeared to be a little silly!
Report Post »River0
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:56pmYAAAAAY! Wow, what a great rally! Mexicans and Indians, cooool! I just wish I had one of those hot T-shirts!
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/12/branding-the-tuscon-massacre-together-we-thrive-in-white-and-blue/
Report Post »vahunters
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 12:59pmThey did not have a Christian preacher deliver the prayer due to the war against God that this administration wages. One way to work the God haters into a lather is to utter Lord Jesus Christ in a public ceremony and the demons start trouble immediately.
Report Post »One thing that is remarkably transparent is Obama’s purported Christian faith. It is a thin veneer highly suspect and without good works. What true follower of Jesus Christ would be for abortion as the Gov Health care plan will allow and fund with our tax dollars?
The posting Troll from Wasilla is an agitator who is seeking to cause issues here and work us into fighting this fool. Ignore him for he lacks wisdom and any wish to learn.
Any President who professes to be a Christian would not be ashamed of the Lord Jesus Christ and would have none of this foolishness with praying to slithering things and animals.
This just shows that the Dems never try to allow a crisis to go to waste.
duce023
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:00pmAs 1/8 Cherokee native American myself, I understand sacred rituals and pow wows I have attended and fully respect them, but this was over the top. In my opinion, this was no more than a pep rally for many of the participants. I believe Obama did a fairly good job trying to keep the moment as solemn as possible, but it reminded me of the Paul Wellstone memorial that cost the democrats the election to take back the Senate. What the hell is wrong with progressives, why can’t they keep it simple and respectful. Another example as to why we do not want progressives in power.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:04pmIf I didn’t know better I would think that the University of Arizona flew in consultants from ACORN & SEIU to manage this so-called memorial. I was thouroughly disgusted by the lack of dignity on display but I wasn’t really surprised.
Compared to the memorial for the victims of the Fort Hood shooting it looked like some sort of macabre circus.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:11pmC.J. Karamargin, communications director for Giffords said this:
“People need to cheer. People need to cry. There‘s a catharsis that’s necessary when we — when our community — goes through a tragedy like this. And that was the, I think, the great thing about the remarks that we heard tonight. It was an acknowledgment by the president of a community that’s trying to come to terms with unbearable grief. And he did, I think, an admirable, memorable job. In that arena, it was impossible not to be touched by the president’s words.”
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:20pm@middleclassprophet: “Fairness doctrine? What the heck does that have to do with anything?”
Do you know the purpose of the Fairness Doctrine? Talk radio hosts must air the opposing party’s views in their shows. You are extrapolating that doctrine to memorial services. Since the Yaquis are immersed in AZ culture, THEREFORE it is FAIR for them to be included in a memorial service for people of other religions.
“And for a so-called “christian” to question why his blessing needed to be a part of the service is anything BUT christian.”
Not ‘part of the service.’ You are either non-religious or disingenuous or both. The opening blessing/prayer for any given religious ceremony has great spiritual significance, since it invokes the presence of a deity. It is precisely because I Am a Christian that I know the importance of who does the invoking and who is invoked.
Are you confusing Christianity with New Age? We don’t believe all gods are equal. Now, if the opening blessing had been inclusive of all the faiths represented, I would have no beef with this guy giving his (minus the qualification of his heritage, which was political).
“Try opening your mind a little bit and respecting the religions of others instead of claiming to have the copyright on religious beliefs.”
That has been your task, but you have done poorly. How about if you broaden YOUR mind and admit that if proper religious protocol had been followed, there would have been opening blessings representing the faiths of the victims as well.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:26pmobama’s speech was great. fox news even lauded it. the people there loved it. the victims family speak highly of it. sorry haters, this one goes to obama by all counts.
“If I were there and one of my family members had been killed, I would have jumped up and grabbed the mic from the POSPOTUS and insisted that he leave”-White Devil
@White Devil, you are a tool. And you wouldn’t do anything, you are just a fear mongering coward. thats all.
CatB
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:28pmProbably puts on the SAME SHOW for the tourists at a casino.
Report Post »hkyfan36
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:28pmI went to a memorial service and all I got was this stupid tee shirt
Report Post »PartlySunny
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 1:29pmChief Mexi-Prof puts the “me” in memorial
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:02pmThe problem with this speech is that is was all about HIM and HIS PEOPLE and not about the MEMORIAL OF THOSE WHO DIED. PERIOD. Anytime you put yourself first, it shows the limited amount of love in your heart for others (except your own family or people, of course;-) This was by far, the worst speech of all. When you focus on someone or something other than what the event is about, then IT SAYS A WHOLE LOT ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHY YOU ARE THERE and it certainly wasn’t for remembering those who were heroes or who died on Saturday. What a waste of time. WHO INVITED THIS GUY ANYWAYS? It surely was the majority of Americans and I KNOW it wasn’t the family and friends of those slain. If it was the President, then it says a lot about him, doesn’t it? It has nothing to do with the theme of this man’s speech, but who he was talking about. IT SEEMED TO BE ALL ABOUT HIM AND HIS PEOPLE. Very selfish to force this on a GODLY MAJORITY of Americans. We do NOT bless doors. We bless those coming in and going out of them.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:10pmI will admit I did not watch the memorial.. I knew somewhere, someone would make it about THEM and their agenda NOT about those who are suffering.. Nor did I want to hear Obama pretend to be in the middle when he took sides on the FORT HOOD shooting..Let me say this as someone who ancestors ARE Native American (ie Indian).. I have the UP MOST RESPECT for the traditions of the INDIANS, MOST of them are beautiful.. HOWEVER.. there are those no matter WHAT think this is about THEM or their AGENDA.. It seems a sad fact..
Report Post »Sarah124
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:16pmThe victims‘ families wishes probably weren’t consulted when this event was put together. If they were consulted and agreed on this prayer as a proper way to memorialize their dead, than that’s cool. But regardless, it’s never okay to hoot and holler during a funeral or a memorial or a prayer. Have we as Americans forgotten how to be reverent and respectful?
Report Post »BLEMON01
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:29pmThe feathers were cool.
Report Post »Ahyoka
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:30pmThe Native Mexican American Professor was saying a prayer. You don’t like it?.. Lump it.
That’s right these are Native Lands. The country is and always will be Native American.
Ken
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 2:48pmThe only reason Obama and his buddies were there, and did the memorial, is because a democrat congresswoman was shot, and since a federal judge was killed (who I think was republican), he was obligated to memorialize him also. And while he was at it, he had to recogize the “regular people” that were killed and wounded, just for good measure. And because emotions have been running high with the liberal blame game that’s been going on, Obama was obligated to say something to those people, and tell them to “dial it down.” Sound about right?
Report Post »And for those who think that people on The Blaze are such “nut jobs,” then why hang out here? Maybe you should opine on Sgt. Schultz’s website or a similar militant liberal site.
0bamanation
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 3:08pm@AKMIIKEUS
The president is representing America and not the black community.
Do you realize how ignorant and stupid YOU are?!
101
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 3:10pmA self proclaimed Mexican acting like an Indian, who was so full of himself that he thought he could pull off some Indian blessing carrying a feather, what most people didn’t notice is it was turkey feathers. I saw him for what he really was, just a part time employee at Casino Arizona!
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 3:19pmstupid memorial…nothing to do with the victims…just stupid
Report Post »Xcori8r
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 4:04pm“Soon we’re all gonna be out here on the Reservation, livin’ like Indians, ‘n’ dressin’ like Indians and doing all the simple, Beautiful Things that you Indians do.
Hey – got any peyote?”
FST
Report Post »mcjj
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 4:19pmYour remarks are not called for ! I have a best friend who is a Christian now, but is part of the Bear Clan in Wisconsin… a Native American. I have gone to pow-wows with her. This actually was a big deal that the elders allowed him to give this kind of blessing… though it is far from a Christian prayer. I believe that it is not OK to call names here. However, that being said.. it is bazaar (which is the only word I can find to discribe the service) as NONE of those murdered are from this tribe or a Mexican…..??? I believe that this was a political statement of sorts and belonged in no way in this service. I am sure the families were put off that State’ists were the ones reading out of the Bible that they all bash publically. I don‘t know how I owuld have felt having college kids hoot and holler and whistle and yell ’I love you Obama’ shouts from the crowd. I don’t know that I could have sat through that with all the attention going to Giffords (though I AM glad she is doing good)… when my loved one had died! On an up note… I am glad that Obama basically said to not make it about politics and to calm the rhetoric… but I don’t believe he believed what he was saying ;).. but glad he did at least say it. I think handing out the t shirts to college kids gave the wrong impression of more of a rally instead of a respectful memorial.
Report Post »brotherhiram
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 4:33pmkilla, way to tone down the rethoric… it was all along the violent left driving this problem, and it continues….
Good job Killa, keep it up it will make our lives much much easier.
Report Post »Rogue
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:10pmA memorial service is no place to make a special “teaching moment”, introducing people to a different culture and thier beliefs. For those who didn;t have a problem with it, how about writing in your will, that at your memorial service, you wish to have somoene give the opening prayer ina completely forgein language that no one understands, or maybe if you are christian, ask for a muslim prayer before your service.
Prayers, just like the rest of any memorial service, are meant to honor the dead, and help those who knew him/her remember what they were like in life.If most of the victims were christian, you handle it in Christian tradition. What happened in AZ would be like if a Christian church bus accident took several lives, and they brought in a Rabbi to do the opening prayer… makes no sense to me.
Report Post »rugin
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:11pmI seen Native American ceremonies. This one was not solomn and not respectful. It was all egocentric
Report Post »TheBees
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:30pmHey there Killa from wasilla, I’m with GeauxAlready on this! If there were any victims that were Yaqui indian then maybe there would have been a need to have medicine man invoke his Godless rant! All of the victims were red blooded Americans (not native Americans). Don’t tell me to keep my trap shut either! We’re all entitled to our oun opinion!
Report Post »RaptureReady_004
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:58pmok, I’m sorry. This is nuts! I’m part Comanche Indian, from the tribe in Comanche TX. And when that horrible terrorist attack happened in Ft.Hood, and it was a terrorist attack. I didn’t like it when Obama came and spoke all that about the indians heritage then. It is a time of mourning. Not recognizing your own personal goals. It was very strange then. And even stranger now. Why don’t people wake up to this already. There is a time for mourning, and prayer. And the people who were slain weren’t on the indian reservation. They were ordianary people, with a belief in God. Even Giffords faith-being Jewish, her faith in G-d remains. I know this because I am married into a wonderful Jewish family. I remain fully Christian, and my husbands family remains in their heritage. Both are very respected. And celebrated. But this is a complete disrespect to the families that were to be remembered. Only OBAMA can turn a memorial into a Campaign or Indian Heritaige Day. Lord, forgive us. Please hear the many prayers that are sent up that are true. And there are many, whose hearts here are true. Thank You Lord. Amen.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:58pmA memorial service that was turned into a circus, this guy blessing doors, snakes, not even the troops but just his son this seemed very inappropriate for a service to remember the shooting victims. The cheering reminded me of a prep rally. The entire event reminded me very much of the Wellstone memorial.
Report Post »bobodu
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 5:59pmA real American would understand. The bees may know but a WASP never will.
Report Post »ottodiedacktick
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:06pmto Geaux:
It was different, just like Irish funerals are different, if you know what I mean. I don’t pretend to know anything about Tucson/Indian culture, but I think I got it. For the first time since this happened, I cried. It’s not about you, or me, or Glenn, or Obama, or Palin, or Carlos, even the (names) of those who perished. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT … ANYONE … ?
I know what this is about Charlie Brown … (lights, please!) …
God has told us his secret reason for sending Christ, a plan he decided on in mercy long ago; and this was his purpose: that when the time is ripe he will gather us all together from wherever we are–in heaven or on earth–to be with him in Christ forever. Moreover, because of what Christ has done we have become gifts to God that he delights in, for as part of God’s sovereign plan we were chosen from the beginning to be his, and all things happen just as he decided long ago. God’s purpose in this was that we should praise God and give glory to him for doing these mighty things for us, who were the first to trust in Christ. 1Ep 1:9
And, that is what this is about, Charlie Brown …
Report Post »bobodu
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:25pmI wonder…when you pray at a funeral..do you pray for the dead or for the living? Why pray for the dead?
Report Post »They have already met your God, right? A funeral does them no good,unless you still harbor some weird pagan beliefs about the afterlife. Religious services are for the families and all others left to their grief. It is sad that many of you belittle the Sacrifice of Christ by spitting on His teachings of love. What happened to “Love thy Brother as thyself”? Would Jesus approve of your attitude?
Shame on you.
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Posted on January 13, 2011 at 6:55pmPropaganda parade. Nothing more here, folks. Move along. Move along.
railroad worker BART: “Hey, Charlie.”
Report Post »railroad worker CHARLIE: “Hmmm?”
railroad worker BART: “What is it that’s not exactly water, and it ain’t exactly earth?”
BART, CHARLIE together: “QUICKSAND!”
-Blazing Saddles
ottodiedacktick
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:14pmLook at us! Look at us! What’s happened to us? We were all supposed to be one people, you, me, all of us. Just read this stuff … oh, my God help us! Just read this stuff all around me. I thought we were better than this! Now I understand why Robert E. Lee cried. Now I know why Glenn cries and Boehner cries. I can’t stop crying when I read this stuff. It really is over, we’re doomed. I hope God destroys all of us and start the whole thing new. We are an embarrassment! How did I contribute to this? Did I lose the ability to see myself in someone else? I never say that I’m proud to be an American because I had no choice in it … I was born here, but I always thank God that I was born here. I was born in one of the poorest districts in the US, but I thank SOME of our founding fathers for thinking of me when they risked everything to found this nation. If I should die anywhere on earth … God … please … I beg you to bring my bones somewhere in this country … I would even be happy to be buried on that little island in Alaska that is 2 miles away from Russia … just … God … please bless me and if someday I should die, please bring me back to America even if it’s Tuscon … where I know nothing about the people … except that they are Americans.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:30pmI know that I am going to sound very insensitive when I say this, but- I do not know why they had to have a HUGE “memorial service” televised and all of Washington elite in attendance. All afternoon yesterday I kept hearing journalists and pundits refer to this service and the presidents speech as a defining moment. I was particularly taken back by the suggestion that this unfortunate event was somehow akin to the Challenger moment for Regan, Oklahoma for Clinton, and 9/11 for Bush. Anyone else find this to be insulting? Seriously, is this what it means for the leader of the free world- to raise popularity points by “giving one heck of speech?” Is that what all presidents, secretly, hope for during long periods of poor poll numbers- a NATIONAL DISASTER? Am I the only one who finds this disgusting? And this wasn’t even a disaster: unfortunate and truly sad, yes. BUT a disaster on the caliber of Oklahoma City or 9/11- absolutely not. I guess Obama got tired of waiting for a national crisis to arise on its own so he could deliver “one of those defining moment” speeches. So, he manufactured a disaster out of a personal tragedy. And then- for the opening prayer to be an Indian Blessing? If this was a memorial service then why wasn’t the religion of ANY of the 6 victims even considered? If it was one of my relatives that the memorial service was suppose to be for I would have gotten up and left or not even attended. I was actually surprised (and grateful) that biblical scripture was read. I can’t say much for those who were chosen to deliver the readings (as a Christian, I hope that perhaps a seed may have been sewn in Holder and Nepolatono’s hearts while delivering their prepared scriptures.) And then there is the slogans and t-shirts that were handed out? What was that!? A marketing ploy? Why do you need a marketing ploy in a memorial? What’s the point? So that somebody’s relative can say, “my uncle died in the Tuscan tragedy and all I got was this lousy t-shirt?” I know that was a cheap shot, but this whole thing stinks, no wonder Boehner stayed away. I can’t blame him, I wouldn’t want to participate in such a gross display of obvious political propaganda under the guise of a memorial service. Shameful.
Report Post »johnbvarone
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 7:59pmAs to all the hateful comments about what was said at the opening of the memorial service. I am a Mic Mac from the Gaspe Region of Quebec. My family has been in the USA since time whenever. All my men relatives have fought to defend the USA including myself in Vietnam. The opening was perhaps the most imporatnat of all that was done. The Creator is God, the supreme, The Great Mystery “Wakan Tanka.” All that the man did was give respect to all living things and those that have gone before us. He offered us peace and love and so many are trying to rip him. Shame on them for their hate.As he ended he said we are all related. In the Dakota language of Minnesota it is Mitakuye Oyas”in. All my relatives. We are all God’s creatures from the two leggeds to the slither snakes to the winged creatures and those that swim in the waters. Peace to those that have passed in in the terrible tragedy of Arizona and may we all try and be respectful of one another as our God has taught us.
Report Post »lionslayer44
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:30pmwasilla since i have mexican blood i can say this was a political propaganda stunt. there was not a yaqui indian nor any other native american killed in this senseless act. so here it is the admin. gets a two for one first they get the be nice and relate to the mexicans (i am an American of latin decent not mexican american no such thing). second dont forget van jones stating give them the wealth. well i for one had a navajo business partner steal over 100k worth of equipment and take it to the res. So wasilla i have given and will not give anymore. the treaties we have with native americans are completely one sided and need to be rescinded. sorry everyone but this one i will not budge on, i grew up with many different native americans yet have never found a culture as ignorant and corrupt as the navajo’s. dont take my word for it research it for yourself of 88 different communities on the res. the leaders of 77 of them are being indicted for stealing the money the tribe gave them for their communities and where do they get the money? for the U.S. tax payers. you want more ask the Hopi indians what they think of their navajo neighbors.
tifosa
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:58pmIt would be interesting to hear from the families of the deceased and the wounded, the survivors. I saw them standing and applauding too, for all, for the heroes, the first responders, and for the President of the United States. The hateratti are right here, where they belong: posting bitterness, indignation.
Report Post »shanecomeback
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 10:25pmSomeone who calls himself ”killafromwasilla” urges others to shut up, and calls them ”ignorant?”
Report Post »Calling Dr Krauthammer, another mad lib on the loose
chris p bacon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:04pmWOW…KILLA you seem sooo much more enlightened. I think you should let that cut under your lip heal..
Report Post »chickenbig
Posted on January 14, 2011 at 12:31pm@killa….
Hey moron, all that injun stuff is cool but not when ,”ITS USED FOR A PROP BY THIS TRAGEDY PIMP/PERVERT”. You Sir/Mam would also make a good concubine for the POTUS. Just tell us how you feel with all that sacred injun stuff being used in a publicity stunt ?
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lillymckim
Posted on January 14, 2011 at 8:22pmWhen he spoke about things that “slither” I saw Michelle elbow Barack … she knew who he was speaking about and he was sitting right next to her.
Report Post »Kookaburra
Posted on January 16, 2011 at 5:19pmI’ll tell ya what it was, a sham of a satanic excuse for a blessing (IN REALITY IT WAS A CURSE) upon the Christian American people! And what the he!! was that ceremony anyway? Screaming idiotic kids from the local college like a pep rally instead of a memorial service! You are supposed to be solemn and respectful of the dead, those who lost their lives by a senseless act of Satan. Then we have the cheerleaders screaming for more and more of Napolitano like she was an NFL athlete, and the likes of that traitor Holder and Obama next. They curse the name of the Lord by invoking the Bible for their traitorous acts against the people YET AGAIN! WHAT BLASPHEMY AS the Antichrist quotes the Word of God!!! Give the people what they think the people want–invoke the name of the Lord, and that will make them look good??!! That whole service was a disgraceful sham, and I cannot believe someone like Jan Brewer and Congresswoman Giffords’ husband even participated in that trash. Or is this all part of the gag? More wag the dog……….
Report Post »MyBestEffort
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 8:50amIt was one of the first things I did this AM. Prayed for Gabrielle to make a full recovery. (In Hebrew/Yiddish it is called a “Refuya”). I prayed for Glenn & everyone associated in any way with him, Sarah and all associated with her. I prayed for Pamela Geller at AtlasShrugs.com and clear minded people everywhere. I prayed for America.
Report Post »Pendragon
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 9:05amVery nice thank you
Report Post »Celtat
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:14amIts hard not to be frightened.. Dark times seem to be here and more coming. How does it turn around? The waves seem so huge, able to swallow conservatism and faith.
I just read ‘Babylon Rising’ in it there is a dark group seeking to discredit Evangelical Christians. They plant bomb making material in the basement of a church, and detonate it. Main Stream news comes out immediately saying its a ‘Radical Christian Group’. Its untrue and they know it, but the damage is immediately done. The news of this discovery of these Radicals is far larger than the news days later that it was untrue, when the truth was found thru investigation.
Then i look to the local news… A sheriff, on every main stream news channel. Saying the tragedy of these deaths is the fault of Conservatives. They know its not based on fact, but they also know that by the time its proven not, its too late. The news blaming Conservatives is way larger and more visible than the news days later that its not true.
We’re under attack, and they seem to be gaining on us. What happens when they succeed in taking Back, Hannity, Rush, Boortz off the air?
What must we do? We pray, we shake our heads in disgust. I feel so powerless.
Could they be organized? Who is coordinating the news, saying ‘ok we know its not true, but they the time they disprove us its too late for them, just print what we tell you’
Sorry for the rant, but who has ideas of what we need to do?
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Bearfoot
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 11:42amCeltat,
I respectfully submit this;
Serve the True God Jehovah (Yahweh) in spirit and in truth, follow the righteous teachings of His Son, our Lord and Redeemer, Jesus. And patiently wait for God’s Kingdom to come.
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royalstar
Posted on January 13, 2011 at 4:21pmI’m not sure that an Indian traditional prayer was appropriate or not, however I personally have interacted and have been taught traditional ways. All tribes have different traditions with some commonalities. He covered all the bases that you consider important at this time in his prayer. I agree with yours and his priorities. The references to his family heritage is an important communication traditionally to recognize his family heritage. The focus on the 4 directions has to do with the circle of life and the different aspects of Gods creation. The acknowledgement of all creatures is an acknowledgement of and respect for all of Gods creation. He acknowledged the greatness of this country and the appreciation for his personal accomplishments. He has a son serving this great country in Afghanistan. Indians have traditionally served in the military and believe in fighting for freedom. I don’t know if it is true for Mr. Gonzales, but many Indians adopted the Christian faith easily because the belief in the Creator is very parallel to the Christian faith. Many tribes even taught about a prophet coming to America and being among the people around Jesus time on this earth. I am a Christian and have spent time in Native American churches and so I know a little of what I speak. If I had never been acquainted with these traditions and seen Christianity expressed in traditional Indian ways I probably would be offended. Thankfully I’m not regardless of the possible political strategy that may or may not be in play by this administration already referred to many times in this post. May Jesus, Creator, Father, God heal this land.
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