Minn. Legislator: ‘How Many More Gay People Does God Have to Create’ Before We Ask if He ‘Wants Them Around?’
- Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:42pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Despite foreign policy and terrorism taking a the front seat in the news cycle, there are other things going on in the country. One of them is the debate in the Minnesota legislature on whether or not to amend the state constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. According to Lifesitenews.com, the measure has already passed the House and Senate and is now before committees in both chambers.
During one of those committee hearings on Monday, Democratic Rep. Steve Simon posed a simple question that drew applause from observers: “How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves whether or not God Actually wants them around?”
As Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher explains, the question came after Simon raided the “question of ‘nature vs. nurture,‘ wondering if sexual orientation could fairly be compared with ’skateboarding or gardening.’” He also spoke out heavily against proponents of the measure infusing their religious beliefs into their arguments.
You can watch the the entire remarks (about three minutes long) below:
As Lifesitenews.com points out, because the proposed bill is a constitutional amendment, it would be exempted from a veto by the states new Democratic governor Mark Dayton.
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amerbur
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:12pmEvery child created by God, that means every child is precious to God, even Osama. It does not mean he loves every behavior. When mankind sins against the instruction of God, he harms himself and others. When he repeats this generation after generation, that sin becomes a part of the DNA of the Body. My family has tendencies and characteristics that I was born with that makes being obedient to the wisdom of God very difficult. That does not mean that the behavior is something that God or men should approve. It does not mean either that it is OK to be unkind and cruel either – for God said, love one another as also I have loved you. Jesus forgives us but we must seek God in our lives daily to give us strength to follow instruction of God, because as the creator he knows what ultimately will make his creation thrive. There is usually a huge price to pay – natural consequences for ignoring the wisdom of God.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:14pmI take that back. There is always a price to pay for ignoring the wisdom of God.
Report Post »CS_GUY
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:47pmWell said and true……….
Report Post »eric6161
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:11pmHow many more murderers does He have to create until we ask if he wants them around. Did God also build the narrow road for those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior and a wide road who choose hell?
Report Post »ACA
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:09pmHere this is simple. If you truly wish to know what God created step into the nearest restroom… pull down your pants and observe the equipment you have been issued. Take carefull note as to whether you have an inny or an outty. This equipment has a very specific function. Any use other than that for which it was intended is a CHOICE!
Report Post »cece959
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:36pmVery well said.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:09pmGod didn’t say anything about marriage being a man and a woman. In fact, the only quote people can use is that you “shall not lay with a man as you would a woman.”
Which means it‘s totally fine to have gay marriage as long as they don’t have sex AS YOU WOULD with a woman. Since men don’t have the same genitals as women, you never CAN have sex with a man that way. And also, this doesn’t apply to women, since God only specifically stated that men can’t lay with men. Lesbians are fine.
Moreover, if the only objection religious folks have is that sodomy is against God’s will, then they should have NO problem at all with a gay man taking a vow of chastity and then getting married. If two men love each other but don’t have sex, it’s completely fine, right?
Report Post »Windwalker
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:18pmGod created Adam and Eve…..not Adam and Steve
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:22pmUmmmmm…Are you insane? Take a look at Genesis 2:18-24 and Matthew 19:4-6 before you make such crazy statements. Also check out Romans 1:26-27.
Apart from being completely wrong about your statement, you were really close.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:22pmDid you ride the short bus to school?
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:24pmAdam and Eve has been pretty much laughed out of all churches, but if you ACTUALLY want to believe that a single man and a single woman dealt with a talking snake, then you also have to deal with the fact that you’re inbred. Two people had kids, those kids bred to have kids… Sorry, but you’re not constantly sleeping with relatives. <3
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:33pmRomans 1:26-27 (New International Version, ©2011)
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
“God gave them over to shameful lusts?” Oof. Bad job, God. And apparently it can still be read that only men received penalty for their error. Looks like the ladies are still okay!
Matthew 19:4-6 (New International Version, ©2011)
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Someone’s quoting the old Adam and Eve story? Well, okay, but where does it say gays can’t have sex here? Nowhere. And it says that apparently when two people marry and love each other, GOD joins them together. So gay marriage could certainly be God’s will.
Genesis 2:18-24 (New Revised Standard)
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.” 19 So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper as his partner. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called Woman, for out of Man this one was taken.” 24 Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Same thing. Just the discredited Adam & Eve stuff meant to treat women as lessers. Nothing about homosexuality.
NEXT!
Report Post »jtm
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:38pmGen. 2:24 says that a man will leave his father and mother and become one with his wife. The term “wife” is female and always has been. Two men can’t become “one” for obvious physical reasons.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:42pmJTM, “wife” isn’t the problem here. And if your worry is the gender bias of the bible, why doesn’t it mention women leaving their families to join with their husbands? Weird! It’s almost like it was written by a bunch of men who wanted control over women or something, huh?
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:51pm@BHAUB
OK, You are, again, way wrong, but thanks for trying. You very first statement was “God didn’t say anything about marriage being a man and a woman.” I then gave you a specific instance from BOTH the Old and New Testament where it specifically says God said marriage being a man and a woman. You can try and twist it all you want, and try to discredit it all you want, but it is very plain.
I then pointed to a passage that very clearly states that homosexuality is not a natural occurance (very relevant to the argument at hand.) Again, you can try and twist it any way you want, but it doesn’t change the fact of the matter. Your argument fails the test of simple logic.
Next.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:06pmActually, no, you didn’t point to anything that says “marriage is only between a man and a woman.”
You pointed to a portion that said men leave home to be with their wives. That was very likely the case back then- men and women lived with their families, married off, and then started a new one. It does NOT say “Marriage is ONLY for one MAN and one WOMAN.” Sorry, but you’re the one twisting that section to be what you want. Unless you have a specific passage which explicitly states God’s decision that marriage is for one man and one woman, you’re incorrect. And make sure it’s the Old Testament, since the New Testament has totally been changed by humans.
As for whether or not it’s a natural occurrence? Well, it would seem that God had LOTS of homosexuality going on back then. Cities entirely full of it? Seems to be that God made people perfectly capable of doing it and then decided he didn’t like it. Also, homosexual actions ARE natural.
Here’s a link to an article called “Same-sex behavior seen in nearly all animals.”
http://www.physorg.com/news164376975.html
So there you go. Sorry, but you’re not justified in your dislike of homosexuality. Let ‘em do what makes them happy and stop trying to police their happiness.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:21pmYou’re right BHAUB, The Bible doesn’t say marriage is only between a man and a woman. Yoy got us. Of course it doesn‘t say a man can’t marry a sheep or goat. It doesn‘t say a man can’t marry his daughter or sister. However, it does say that sexual acts within those unions are forbidden.
So I guess only platonic gay marriages are allowed.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:38pmIslesfordian, that was exactly what I said in my original post. You should not have any objections to two gay men getting married if they don’t have intercourse.
You should also object to a man and a woman getting married if they have anal sex. Correct?
Report Post »pRiVaTeBoOtSy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:51pmShow me where God’s word says its ok to be homosexual. You can’t. But i can show scripture against homosexuality.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:37pmBHAUB, if I deefione marriage as inherently involving sexual union what would be the purpose of calling two men married? Notice I am not objecting to what they are doing, just to the words they use to describe their actions.
As for a man and wife engaging in anal sex, well, i personally think it is wrong, degenerate and mysogynistic but I can’t say that the Bible is as clear about that being wrong as it does with homosexual acts. The technical term “sodomy” did not exist then as it does now. There is no verse saying “thou shalt not lie with a woman in the way men lie with men”. But catholic tradition has , I think, sensibly construed all genital acts that are deliberately unproductive and agaisnt the natural use as falling under the same condemnation as homosexual acts. However, heterosexual marriages are not created premised upon sodomy. Gay unions are only capable of sodomy when it comes to sexual acts. Since I cannot or will not peer into the bedroom I cannot definitively say that any marriage will include sodomy and not natural sexual union.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:42pmJesus says to love all people without judgement. How’s that?
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:47pm“Since I cannot or will not peer into the bedroom I cannot definitively say that any marriage will include sodomy and not natural sexual union.”
If you can leave people’s bedrooms alone, where’s the problem? Leave it up to God if you think it’s going to send them to hell. Let them be happy and marry while alive. How’s that sound?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:41pm“Let them be happy and marry while alive. How’s that sound?”
Marriage is a social arrangement requiring societal recognition and privelege/protection. If you are just asking for the right to live together and play marriage that is not my concern. But that is not what gays are asking for. They want to change the social contract so that society recognizes their unioin as functionally the same as a marriage. It’s all about changing the way we think about them.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:11amIslesfordian, they don’t want to “play” married. They want to BE married. That’s all. They want what every straight couple can get- the rights and protections offered to straight people in love should be extended to gay couples. There is no legal reason to stop it. It‘s purely a malicious attempt by religious conservatives to stop something they don’t want.
Report Post »Ron_WA
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:05pmHuh? I don’t think they are trying to outlaw sexual orientation … they’re simply trying to legally define the term marriage as between a man & woman as opposed to civil union or some other term to define other relationships … okay it may have it roots in religious beliefs but it can also be codified in man’s law to fit an earthly definition which helps everyone out regardless of your religious beliefs …
Report Post »GayDem4Beck
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:36pmMaybe it would be best to solve both at the same time.
Report Post »Holly Union & Civil Union (and neither group can use Marriage)
littlemule
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:04pmGod gave us the right to CHOOSE!
The opportunity to choose is one of the greatest gifts of God.
We can choose who we want to serve for no man can serve two masters.
Just because they choose sin doesn‘t mean I don’t like the person, I love him unconditionally. But by no means do I have to condone his actions.
A marriage is between a man and a women. God stated it, spiritually, and the voters have said it legally. I don’t know the laws of that state are but most states allow them to have the same rights as if they were married. Yet they wish to corrupt a pure principle.
It’s disgraceful
Report Post »GayDem4Beck
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:48pm@littlemule, It would do you some good to read my other responses on this thread. Then take the info given and see when and how marriage BECAME a religious event. It wasn‘t GOD that started it and it wasn’t spiritual in the beginning, not until the 1500‘s and 1700’s. Just more scare tactics from the Religious Right.
As for this comment of yours “I don’t know the laws of that state are but most states allow them to have the same rights as if they were married.” Apparently you don’t know much of anything… In Florida and a number of other states, they are trying to make Civil Unions illegal, just to keep gays from officially being together. And they have even stated at the risk of offending Straights that want a civil union. NOT real accepting there huh.
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:11pm@GayDemforBeck – Actually marriage is a spiritual act that was proscribed by God in the beginning and affirrmed by Jesus: have ye not read that from the beginning He created them male and female; for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and the two shall become one. The church acts you mention merely formalized the religious rite of marriage.
The real issue is the marriage should have remained a religious rite and the government should never have gotten involved. The main reason marriage laws were enacted was to prevent miscegenation – or biracial marriages.
Instead of enacting laws defining what marriage is or isn’t, we should be repealing all laws that define it legally!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:14pmgaydem, you just make up the most outrageous historical idiocy, that only works when it is used agaist people as ignorant of historical fact as you. If marriage wasn’t a religious act why did God care about it so much and lay down so many rules about it. Read Paul’s letter to the Ephesians where he likens marriage to the relationship between Christ and his church. Jesus alludes to this as well with all his parables of the bridegroom and wedding feast. There was no such thing as a secular marriage in Christian Europe until after the Enlightenment.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:20pmSo you chose to be born a man (or a woman) did you? You chose your height, eye, skin and hair color? Didn’t think so. You can‘t ’choose’ your sexual orientation anymore than you can choose any other biological trait. You can choose to remain abstinent whether you are gay or straight but not IF you are gay or straight.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:24pm“You can‘t ’choose’ your sexual orientation anymore than you can choose any other biological trait.”
The “sexual orientation” you can’t choose is the orientaion of your sexual organs: inside or outside. What you DO with those organs is most definitely a choice.
Report Post »Mr. Nice Guy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:03pmLet’s say, just for the sake of argument, that God does want them around. Fine, no problem. What does that have to do with them legally marrying each other? If the people of Minnesota approve the proposed ammendment to their state constitution, that’s where the story ends. Those who don’t like it are free to move to another state.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:32pm@Mr. Nice Guy: Good point! While shopping for a car, if you find one you like but there are a few features you wish it had or a few extras you don’t want, what do you do? I know, you DEMAND the manufacturer redesign the car to YOUR specifications so all will benefit!! Asinine … totally asinine! You should walk out of the dealership to continue shopping for the car that meets your requirements.
Report Post »Mike N
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:03pmTo CITIZEN’s comment . . . AMEN !!!
Report Post »jtm
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:03pmThe bible says that Jesus said so many things that all the world could not contain them. Paul was passing on what he was taught about homosexuality in his writings. BTW, this is New Testament, not Old. It is a common thread that runs through both of them.
Report Post »GSC122
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:03pmMinn. Legislator: ‘How Many More Child Molestors Does God Have to Create‘ Before We Ask if He ’Wants Them Around?’ <- Same horrible logic. Honestly someone needs to slap some since into this guy.
Report Post »Mr. Nice Guy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:18pm” Honestly someone needs to slap some since into this guy.”
Volunteers can get in line behind me.
Report Post »AMERICA4EVER
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:02pmHow many more gay people does God have to create? You could ask the same about terrorists, but we all know God would not want them doing what they do.
Report Post »papa2thdoc
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:50pmExactly! Should God create more drug pushers, murders ect? What an idiot! It’s unsure why or how people get the urge to engage in homosexual behavior, but doing it is a free-will choice. Just what is the purpose of marriage, insuring the propagation of our species and rearing our children, or allowing to people who are having sex to share their insurance?
Report Post »Joey Joe Joe
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:02pmIf you really want to make him squirm, point him to Romans 1:18-32 where homosexuality is said to be a punishment from God for our rejection of Him as our creator and His rightful place.
Report Post »Wrath
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:57pmFinally, someone hit the nail on the head. Just remember that He loves all of us who fall short, including homosexuals. Their sin is no worse than any other, but they are in a dangerous area by defining themselves as sinners. Sin is never okay.
Report Post »cranes
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:58pmGod certainly did not create them. It is free will man’s choice to choose this lifestyle. It is not biology it is choice. Why do you think God sent two angels to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah? God is the one who had the cities destroyed and he could do it again. Get your facts straight. You might want to read the Book!
Report Post »ck7blaze
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:05pmThe Bible contains a lot of metaphors. Anyone who reads the Bible knows that there is a huge divided line between “facts” and belief.
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:06pmAnd those two angels were going to be raped by the men of Sodom, but thankfully Lot offered up his two virgin daughters, making GOD favor him and save him.
Moral of the story: God hates gay angels but loves raped underage daughters.
Report Post »undercover
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:10pmMoral of the story is God believe gay sex is WORSE than raping an underage girl!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:55pm“thankfully Lot offered up his two virgin daughters, making GOD favor him and save him.”
That’s a false reading of the story. God had ALREADY decided to save him before the angels entered the city. And God did not require him to offer his daughters. But, if offering your daughters rather than letting God’s meseengers be raped sounds like an immoral action then you obviously know nothing about the law of hospitality nor the sanctity that is accorded to holy things. You probably think Abraham was evil for being willing to offer up his son. Such godless reasoning will never be able to understand anything of God.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:45pmck7blaze
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:05pm
The Bible contains a lot of metaphors. Anyone who reads the Bible knows that there is a huge divided line between “facts” and belief.
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Archaeologist have found the charred remains of the cities around the Dead Sea that were recorded in the Bible as being destroyed by fire. It’s history! It’s fact!…..Not metaphor! Not belief!
Report Post »Bhaub
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 2:16pmIslesfordian,
I think that if you hear voices in your head telling you to lob off part of your son’s penis, you should seek help. Just because the voice later went, “Ha, just kidding,” doesn’t make it okay.
God telling you to mutilate children doesn’t have a great moral to it. Sorry. It’s no different from the eeeeevil Islamic religions you guys daily mock and insult for being barbaric and violent.
Report Post »fancydancy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:57pmI believe God creates us and gives us a free will…with THAT we can chart our course and we also have the ability to CHANGE the course most of the time. Stop blaming God for sinful behavior…Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the snake and we are still staying the devil made me do it…YES, that’s right. Now, fess up. You have a choice.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:37pm@Fancy: Speaking about the course of time, wonder where we’d be if dependent upon homosexual practice for progeny? hmmm makes one ponder, no?
Report Post »cjgemelli
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:56pm@EXREPUBLISHEEP
We never said we hated homosexuals, we just don’t agree period that marriage should be between a man and a man, and a woman and a woman.
Unions should be between man and woman. If we let progressives have their way, the world’s population would end, the last two people on earth would be two men, and the president of their country would be a cow (since they would have human rights by then).
Report Post »Undecided
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:20pmThat makes complete and total since, since gay couples never adopt children. If anything, gay couples help out society with raising and loving unwanted children that certain people believe have a right to live, yet push off their existence onto others to deal with. Some intellectual people on here.
Report Post »GayDem4Beck
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:41pmYour a complete freaking idiot… “the last two people on earth would be two men, and the president of their country would be a cow”. Your using the same sorry scare tactics as the left does with the budget and healthcare.
As for gay marriage, If you call yours a holy union (not marriage) I’ll call mine a civil union:
Report Post »The church made marriage a religious act 448 years ago, followed by England 258 years ago. Yes the Catholic Church declared in 1563 that marriages were not valid unless contracted in the presence of a priest and two witnesses. In England, Lord Hardwicke’s Act in 1753 instituted certain requirements for marriage, including the performance of a religious ceremony observed by witnesses.
Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:06pm“The church made marriage a religious act 448 years ago, followed by England 258 years ago.”
Idiocy. Sheer historically illiterate idiocy. The Anglican Book of Common Prayer authorized first in 1549 contains the rite of marriage. Henry VIII broke from the church in 1533 because he needed to divorce his queen, and this required church authority. There was no such thing as a non-religious marriage until the 19th century political reforms.
And GOD created marriage, so that makes it inherently a religious act.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:38pmck7blaze
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:05pm
The Bible contains a lot of metaphors. Anyone who reads the Bible knows that there is a huge divided line between “facts” and belief.
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Archaeologist have found the charred remains of the cities around the Dead Sea that were recorded in the Bible as being destroyed by fire. It’s history! It’s fact!…..Not metaphor! Not belief!
Report Post »STEEZYD
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:55pmPretty soon they’ll be making the same argument for pedophiles. Pure progressive filth.
Report Post »ck7blaze
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:03pmYou are an imbecile. There is absolutely no connection between being a pedophile sicko freak and being born gay. Get out of your ridiculous boxed in thinking and learn some facts.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:17pmNo, progressives have tried to show “compassion” for pedophiles.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:38pmThe entire Progressive agenda is to promote self gratification. They do not promote our Founding Fathers, their ideals, or freedom today.
They are too busy letting the nut cases run wild while regulating the money out of our pockets to support their sorriness,
Report Post »tbconrad
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:41pmOh that has already started Steezyd.
Kevin Jennings, President Obama’s Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, is in hot water this week for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having sex with an older man.
But failure to report what appeared to be a case of statuatory rape of a child may be the least of Jennings’ worries. Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-appointee-lauded-nambla-figure#ixzz1LPGl5p91
Report Post »912always
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:59pmSure there are, they are both perversions of nature. 50 years ago people were appaled when confronted with a gay life style and when pedophiles learn to organize like gays then 50 years from now they will be calling anyone who recoils from them phobic.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:54pmSatan works through people causing doubt and confusion.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:19pmSo do Democrats.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:19pm@Gonzo -
Ouch!
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:54pmActually…. Please ask that question. THEN…. let us look up what God actually says about it. I think that will answer your question.
Report Post »vicsemprini
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:54pmAnother liberal crashes and burns trying to talk about God…
Report Post »conversationcanwork
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:14pmA good reason for keeping god out of politics.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:21pmA good reason to keep LIBERALS out of politics!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:21pmconversationcanwork
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:14pm
A good reason for keeping god out of politics.
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Wrong!
Report Post »A good reason to make Bible study mandatory in schools and in Congress!!
kmichaels
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 7:55pmA good reason to keep fake bible scholars out of law making.
Report Post »en2deep
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:52pmBehavior is the result of human will. Don’t credit/discredit God w/mans choices.
Report Post »MCGIRV
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:42pmI agree.
Report Post »BiteMePETA
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:49pmNice logic…. someone check his IQ or his brain waves….
Report Post »cjgemelli
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:49pmFirst of all, God doesn’t create homosexuals. :) Get it right.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:02pmWow, this guy is Biblical scholar. Where do these people get their picture of God’s mind? The Bible is the only true picture of God’s mind and this guy has obviously never picked one up.
Report Post »Undecided
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:16pmI’m sorry, it was to my knowledge, as everyone likes to preach, that God created everyone. And created everyone equal for that matter. So would that not include Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Christians, Heterosexuals, and Homosexuals? I really must admit that I enjoy when people try to pick and choose which parts of scripture they’d like to follow, while ignoring the rest.
Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:14pm@undecided
God created man and gave him free will. God is opposed to some of man’s choices made with the free will God gave him.
1Cor. 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED! Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
vs 11;
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
As you can see from God’s word, God will not tolerate sinful behavour. But in His love and grace sacrificed His own Son in our place to satisfy His anger toward sin. All we have to do is confess, accept Jesus payment for our sin and repent.
You said,
“I really must admit that I enjoy when people try to pick and choose which parts of scripture they’d like to follow, while ignoring the rest.”
ME TOO!!
Report Post »bree001
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:48pmGod does not create gay people. Just another stupid comment by a Democrat.
Report Post »GayDem4Beck
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:31pmI’m sorry, how is being gay behavioral ? It’s NOT a choice, like being a drunk, drug-attic, gambler, drop-out, hater, etc…. One does NOT choose to be gay, to defy others or god, to be hated, teased, picked on, bullied, beaten all of there life. If I had a choice, I would have picked the easy road, in fact I tried to be straight for a long time. I got tired of being dishonest with myself and others. Many others choose to hid it because of homophobes like SOME of you (not all of you).
Report Post »thinkinghuman
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:50pmGAYDEM4BECK: You deceive yourself because you want to have it easy. Don’t you think that others who have not chose to be gay, but are immoral, also struggle with overcoming their sins? So many people, have immoral sex everyday, and so, are they BORN this way? I think NOT.
Report Post »jdog777
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:56pmgaydem… explain why people have redefined their sexuality mid life. Just because you are comfortable with being gay, does not make it natural or normal. People have to fight addictions, appetites, behaviors, and lifestyles all the time. Although I can love you as part of my humanity…. I could never justify the deviant sexual behavior you chose. I can not judge you, but I am afraid God will if you don’t change and repent. All of us would like you around post-judgement, so we hope you make those choices to clean yourself in accordance to God’s law.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:57pmAlot of drunks went on the wagon and fell off too! Everyone has some nagging temptation that they have to fight against. Homosexuality is yours.
Report Post »Because it’s not a temptation to me does not make me homophobic. I’m not afraid of you.
Do I want your lifestyle pushed off on me and my kids?….. Over your dead body!!
Your behavour is not normal or healthy. And it is an abomination to God. History proves that.
I pray that you get Godly help fighting your temptation and are set free of it once and for all.
It really is your choice!……Fight it like a drunk fights alcoholism or surrender.
I pray for you and wish you all the best God has for you!
Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:00pm“It’s NOT a choice, like being a drunk”
No, because a unhealthy drunk is one who denies he is one but still continues to drink. A recovering drunk is one who admits the nature of his bondage and choses every day to resist it. You, on the other hand, identify yourself by a sin only so you can refuse to resist it.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:01pmGay, We all have our crosses to bear. Mine is being a white male conservative, ( Nazi, Homophobe, Racist ), Most people here believe in live and let live until things are thrown in their faces, or thru legislation.
Report Post »Anybody but “Whats his Name” 2012
caitthegreat
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:33pm@GayDem4Beck
Report Post »obviously people responding to your post don’t understand the difference between “trying to stay sober” and “trying to muster up attraction to the opposite sex.” attraction, sex, etc… are more than just choices. you can’t make someone find another person appealing. nor should you try. you shouldn’t have to pretend to be attracted to anyone. you deserve a loving partner. god bless you.
Navymommy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:53pm@ Gay, They need to keep church and state separate. If they want to allow gays civil unions, I’m all for what the electorate decide. However, if any religious institution refuses to marry gay couples, then they have that right. I was married by a JP, therefore, my church does not recognize my marriage of 34 years!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:49pm“you shouldn’t have to pretend to be attracted to anyone. you deserve a loving partner.”
There is no logical connecction between two sentences. I presume what you mean by the second sentence is, “you deserve to love (have sex with) a partner to whom you are attracted”, but that also does not logically follow from ther first sentence. What you can or cannot be attrracted to says nothing about whom you have a right to have sex with. What is a man was only attracted to 13 year old girls? It’s possible. What would be his permissible options? I would say, in THIS culture and century, that he could either settle for a woman of legal age regardless of how little he was attracted to her OR he could remain celibate. Sex is neither a human right nor a biological necessity.
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:25pmIf you follow the illogical logic of the homos, God created bank robbers, rapists, serial murderers, democrats, etc. NOPE! All of these things and being a **** are all choices of really stupid people… and perverts. Which brings to mind, is being a democrat a perversion… or just a really dumb decision.
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 7:49pm[GAYDEM4BECK
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:31pm
One does NOT choose to be gay, to defy others or god, to be hated, teased, picked on, bullied, beaten all of there life. If I had a choice, I would have picked the easy road, in fact I tried to be straight for a long time. I got tired of being dishonest with myself and others. Many others choose to hid it because of homophobes like SOME of you (not all of you).]
We could easily use your above logic to describe a pedophile. A person does not choose to break the law, become a pedophile, or be teased, degraded, cussed at and hunted by the law.
We could also use your above logic to describe a murderer. Unless you think that a murderer gets up and decides to break the law, get caught, put in jail, hung, shot, executed with drugs, or whatever.
No sin is a result of many smaller steps, leading away a person captive to what they end up as after it appears all too late to change.
However, change is possible. Some have done it. Others excuse themselves and CHOOSE to continue living in their sins. They say it was not a choice, they were born that way. Whatever, it is just another lame excuse for making bad choices, whether they become addictive choices or not.
Report Post »ArmyGirl
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:31pmI agree with Bree…
Report Post »homosexuality a sinful practice that is engaged in via the agency of the individuals involved. What I mean is that those who participate in homosexual activities make the choice to do so. No one is born gay as that would be contrary to God’s plan of happiness for His children. Nor would He (God) place someone on earth who was wholly incapable of keeping His commandment pertaining to sexual conduct.
Bruce01
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 9:20pmIf you are gay I’m sorry for you. God created us all and each one of us is imperfect. Just like an person who is addicted to drugs or alcohol. There is a choice and burden to bare with each and everyone one of these problems. God has asked that you seek His guidance and help by seeking His word in the Bible. If you are Gay God doesn’t ask for you to act on your feelings, He asks to act upon His word. Tough yes but act by Faith and listen and pray to Him and He will guide you to the right choice.
Report Post »sonseeker
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 9:47pm@Gaydem
Report Post »You did pick the easy road, you gave in as did I when I gave in to my desires for young girls not my wife…and I thought I was born that way until I gave my miserable life over to God to do with as He willed…then EVERYTHING changed and I have been completely faithful for more than 20 years. Praise to You Lord Jesus Christ!
Exrepublisheep
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:48pmBefore people start quoting the Old Testament, if you want to enforce what it says please try to enforce all of it. Then say hello to your new cellmate. Jesus didn’t hate them, didn’t talk about them at all in fact, but he does talk about love and forgiveness and NOT JUDGING others.
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:53pmWho said anything about hating them?
Report Post »Their homosexual behavior is an abomination in the eyes of GOD.
What part of that is hate?
MrBigBillyB
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:14pmArguments against homosexuality are found in more than just the Mosaic Law. You can find it in BOTH the Old and New Testament. “The SUM of God’s word is truth.”
Report Post »Untameable-kate
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:24pmI don’t hate or judge them, and just because I am severely disgusted by their behavior doesn’t mean I am “afraid” of them. I am insulted when the males refer to themselves as girls or women since their behavior is so abhorrent to me. God does not make people gay, he gave them free will.
Report Post »Kalish
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:34pm@Exrepublisheep
Jesus said ” But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
The sexually immoral is not just homosexuals, but it does include them
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:38pmI think it’s known as hating the sin, but loving the sinner.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:38pmGod did not ‘create’ homosexuals! God created man! Sin created homosexuals!
1Cor. 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED! Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
vs 11;
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If people are going to refer to God and the Bible in their claims, they should get right or just shut up.
God did not create sin! God created free will. Free will rejects or accepts sin. And sin created homosexuality.
And God provided a way out and a way to be spared eternal punishment through the sacrifice of His own Son, Jesus Christ and repentance.
Hear endeth the lesson!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:53pm“Jesus..didn’t talk about them at all in fact, but he does talk about love and forgiveness and NOT JUDGING others.”
Jesus also talked about fornication and how it made the soul unclean “Fornication”, porneia, is a broad word including adultery and all other manner of immoral sexual acts, the list of which Jesus knew full well, and he knew his listeners knew it as well. That list includes homosexual acts.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:59pmExcre……. Did you have any idea that homosexuality is mentioned in the New Testament also? I doubt very much that you do.
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:05pmJesus said, “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder:
Report Post »There is no mention of male/male or female/female. Homosexuals, as such, cannot mate with each other or reproduce their kind. That they exist at all is a testament to some humans who will try anything for a thrill, evil though it may be.
kmichaels
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 7:42pmSome other fun sample liberal logic …
How many more murderers does God have to create before we learn that God really thinks murderers are fun people to have around.
How many more pedophiles does God have to create before we learn
that God thinks they are harmless and a real joy to have beer with.
How many more liberal morons does God have to create before
Report Post »we learn that God approves of liberal morons.
13th Imam
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:45pmTwo Hundred Fourty Seven more.
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:46pmWho’s God is he speaking of?
Report Post »Revere1
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:51pmAs usual, the Democrats are too busy trying to change the definition of marriage rather than fix the economy. http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/04/gay-marriage-explained.html
Report Post »Hawt'n'secksie
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:51pmGayness does not exist in Islam, so it seems clear to me that Allah is not a fan of the gays.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:54pmROTLDYING
omg.
13th..lmfao..where did you come up with that number…
Report Post »epmonroe
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:59pmLMAO!!! Too funny Imam!
Report Post »hersey10
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:59pmI can’t wait for the Left to try and defend this . I love it !!!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:00pmI don’t know. How many deadly viruses does he have to create? How many forms of cancer? How many people with cerebral palsey?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:04pmSorry ,in the time it took me to figure out how many, and type with one finger, the number dropped to 243.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:06pmHe wants to continue pushing an agenda that has nothing to do with God; homosexuality is a choice of lifestyle, it has nothing to do with nature.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:10pmGod is not creating homosexuals. His creations are choosing homosexuality.
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:12pm“He also spoke out heavily against proponents of the measure infusing their religious beliefs into their arguments”
Ummmmmmmm…….People’s religious beliefs form all sorts of laws. It’s about morals. For example, the drugs argument is a mroal argument. People are morally against drugs, and therefore laws have been enacted against them. Multiple wives is a religous/moral argument, and there are laws against that. Simply because someone has religious objections doesn’t make them invalid.
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:15pm@Citizen; wins the logic arguement. Cain was the first, if you are talking about the Jewish/Christian God.
God lets alot of things persist. The point God is making is to correct yourself, because you want to do the right and good thing, whatever it is.
Look at the hatred in the middle east toward America. Americans don’t hate the middle-easterners. We hate high gas prices. That is about it. But the middle east wants us six feet under, ladies and gents and that is the way it is. They ain’t gonna be happy until we are gone and israel too.
America is the best nation in this world and we forget how privileged we are to live here and be a part of it. Take pride in that.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:16pm@13TH IMAM ~~~ Wonderful response!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:19pmIs God creating homosexuals or is it the government creating them?
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:24pmWhy do people who don’t believe in God always invoke His name?
Report Post »six6six
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:24pmSmells like homophobia here.
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:27pmBeing Gay is a lifestyle choice, it is not natural. Nowhere in nature do you see species of the same gender having sex. Sex has 1 purpose and 1 purpose only and that is to propagate the species and since 2 men or 2 women cannot propagate the species, it is unnatural and perverted. Personally, you could screw a tailpipe for all I care, just don’t try to claim it is natural or normal. Also do not expect to get any special treatment or rights, as it is a lifestyle choice.
hauschild
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:31pmWow – what a poof!?!?
Wasting time on foolish issues. The republic is being disbanded and this idiot is ranting about something so inherently unimportant???
It’s like the blind leading the blind.
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:36pmWhat if you’re an athiest?
Report Post »Obama Snake Oil Co
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:40pmHow many more people must god give aids to for them to figure it out?
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:44pmI will first say God creates humans to be fruitful and to multiply…The Bible tells us Man and Woman…Obviously nature shows us man on man and woman on woman can’t multiply…The Bible also says being **** is a perversion of his work, wicked…
With that said, God gives us all a choice which path we choose to walk, the wide worldly or narrow and Godly…
I personally do not believe Government’s role is to dictate what marriage is as the Bible does that for us…Government has turned marriage, a religious ceremony, into tax breaks and benefits and by Government being involved in marriage and passing laws on it, allows Satan to play the laws against us…
If Government allows or better put marries man and woman Government must follow it’s policy of not discriminating or Government will be hypocritical causing division and fighting…
This is the result of replacing the Church with Government…If Churches married people only, this would not be an issue…Instead many go to Government, not the Church, to be married..
“Render unto Caesar which is Caesar’s and unto God which is God’s”
Marriage is God’s role, not Caesar’s…
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:44pmWAIT JUST A MINUTE!!!
Has anyone else noticed that all these weirdo issues have come up as roaring lions just since Obama took his seat behind the Resolute Desk?
All I have seen him do is CREATE problems, not solve them. And, the Progressive Democrat legislators are spending our tax dollars to promote things AGAINST our Christian religion, our Founding Fathers’ teaching, and against society in general.
Nudge! Nudge! Nudge!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:46pm@CultureWarriors
Report Post »Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:36pm
What if you’re an athiest?
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Are you asking if you are an athiest, you are a queer?
Professional Infidel
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:47pmif your not violent, “live and let live” as screwed up as people are, gay is by far from the worst.
Report Post »chiefparker
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:48pmSimon; D Minn, The answer to your question is easily found in the Bible.
Report Post »Not a profound question, like you thought it was…
Disabledvet
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:50pmThe God I know says (Man will leave his mother and father to go with his wife) nothing about man going to be with his boyfriend.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 1:55pmHow many more child molesters and theives does God have to create before we realize that He wants them around? ….. Stupid thing for me to say I know ,but no more stupid than what this queer legislator said.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:07pmDid the Blaze just censor the word
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Report Post »8nray
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:18pmHow many more pedophiles, rapists, drug addicts, serial killers, does God need to create before we ask…it’s a choice you idiot!
AriBenTZion
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:19pmDid G-d also create sin?
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:22pmIs black a color? Or, is black the absence of color? Sin is the absence of G-d’s holiness.
Just because there are homosexuals, lesbians, trans-gender people, etc., does not mean G-d created them that way.
Report Post »caitthegreat
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:24pmdid any of you even watch the video?
this is an attempt by the republicans in minnesota to define marriage – not an attempt by liberals to redefine it.
the representative is arguing that general public opinion regarding homosexuality is shifting. today’s young people are far more accepting and tolerant of gay men and women. this paradigm shift is true of young people from many different religious and socioeconomic backgrounds. he’s correct that, in time, marriage between two people of the same sex will receive the same treatment as interracial marriage. that is to say, younger people are more okay with it, it will happen more frequently, and pretty soon the only people who argue against it will be seen the same way people see their old racist grandpa.
as individuals advocating for smaller government, i‘d say our fight rests not in the government’s definition of marriage, but whether or not they attempt to force any church to accept it. personally, i have no problem with gay marriage, but i will fight to the death to protect my local church’s right to call it a sinful abomination.
this isn’t just about liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, or whatever you choose to call yourself. this issue is bigger than party lines. all i ask is that all of you really consider the issue independently of a political opinion. you may feel that it’s sinful, wrong, etc…, as is your right. but do you think the government should get to legislate sin?
okay, i’m sorry. that was longer than i intended. let the derogatory comments begin.
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:26pmB’reishit/Genesis 2:24
“…and they shall be one flesh.”
Men and women become one flesh by having children. How can homosexual couples have children?
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:27pmSince they scored a “great victory” on the appeal of the “First Black President’s decision” don‘t ask don’t tell…they are emboldened to continue to march…turn on a TV program targeting teens today and you will see this “issue” is first and formost in ALL these programmings!!! The “natural order” is being brushed under the carpet and the FREAKS are taking over!!!
Report Post »Finch88
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:29pmIs their a consensus if god likes Gay people or not?
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:36pmtxn4justice, your sir are an ignoramus.
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:44pmThis is a stupid argument. Anyone who ever did anything horrible — you name it, murder, robbery, rape, child abuse — was created by God, too. So what? That doesn’t mean God approves what they are doing.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:52pmThat’s the funniest thing I have ever heard, “How many more gay people does God have to create…?” As if God is just coming down building gay people. I don’t think God builds gay people, but I think I know who does.
Report Post »DieBambi
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:57pmHow many more does God have to create before we ask if he wants them around?
Report Post »DieBambi
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 2:58pmhow many more pedophiles, rapists, murders, thieves, etc, does God have to create before we wonder if he wants them around?
Report Post »jjack
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:39pm@chfields62 go youtube “out in nature” its a small doc. about homosexuality in animals stop treating these people like their sub human its the right to marry it dont really mean anything so whats the big deal
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:44pmAll of them in Iran.
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:48pm@jjack
There is also filicide and cannibalism in the animal kingdom – should we imitate those behaviors too?
Since when do we use animal behavior as the model for our morality?
Report Post »its_time_to_arrest_our_government
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 3:57pmGod dont create gays he dislikes them. this can be found in romans im not sure of the numbers but i know God dont make gays humans do. one is not born gay you are taught to be that way. how many time must we say we dont want this gay crap before you listen to us? its time for us to stand up america and bring this assult on america to an end. if there is going to be a war lets get to the shootin part. it seems like its all these lefties understand. weve been called racists and radicals by racists and radicals. who are we? AMERICANS or SHEEP? WE THE PEOPLE run this country our employees seem to have forgotten this. its time to remind them with long long jail terms. stand up america!
Report Post »SavvyCowboy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:18pmToo funny 13th….
I’m with *Showtime* . . . . “Is God creating homosexuals or is it the government creating them?”
Outstanding Statement *Showtime* – Outstanding!!
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:22pmno. 248. jeez the world is about to end. perverts and devients rule the day. we are done.
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:51pmPeople, if you can call them that, choose to be homos. Some people (?) are just stupid… as can be proved by the fact that their are Democrats that love Obama in spite of the fact that he is enslaving them. OBAMANATION!
Report Post »US_SOLDIER
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:53pmHere’s a crazy thought, maybe there is no god? Afterall why would the all knowing, all powerful god create something he dispises? why would he create something thats damned to hell from the get go? Religion has so many holes in it’s story I find it hard to believe that anyone can follow it if they actually look at the whole story and think rationally. Im supportive of the government staying out of all peoples affairs to include marriage
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 4:58pmHow can people that roll around in human feces and spread diseases among the populace say that it is “just an alternative lifestyle”? It is a filthy, disease carrying perversion! Perverts need a good dose of Hemorrhoids, then they will not want anything inserted into their exhaust.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:00pm@JJack
You just proved my point by saying: “It really don’t mean anything”
Those of us who believe in God know marriage does matter…It is a religious ceremony…It’s a contract between God and the Man and Woman being married…It does mean something…
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Wake up those who believe in God…Government isn’t God..
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:07pmDoes the same apply to rapist ?
Report Post »jetblast3500
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:08pm@Aribent
JJack was just showing that homosexual acts do occur in nature as someone was using the uninformed argument that it‘s wrong because it’s not seen in nature.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:11pm@Us_Soldier
God is real…God allows choice…God tells us consequences…God made humans…Humans create
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thru choice to do opposite of God’s direction…
If you want help finding God, I’m available 24/7 to assist you in understanding him any way he has given me to…
Report Post »jjack
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:13pm@aribentzion i wasnt saying take our moral behavior from the animal kingdom i was just pointing out that he said there was no homosexuality in the animal kingdom and proving him wrong. your putting words into my mouth and making assumptions.
Report Post »mill
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:29pmALWAYS ALWAYS
NATURE OVER NURTURE.
IT’S LIKE CONDEMNING SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOND HAIR…Natural blond hair that is…
Get a life, who the heck are any of you to tell someone what GOD/jesus wants or doesn’t want? I hope if God does get here, he/she slaps the living hell out of some of you “I’m holier than thou” people that pretend to know what God thinks.
I’m beginning to think that people who believe in the “bible” are self righteous dipwads. Just sayin….Narrow minded, you think because a little book written by somebody, could have been anybody, at some point in time gives you the right to pass judgment over others. I do not in my wildest imagination believe that is why we are here…
AND aren’t you going to be ashamed when your god arrives in a mini skirt…
No I’m not gay, but I still believe in science and Nature over nurture…EVERY TIME – EVERY TIME..
Report Post »AriBenTZion
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:31pm@jjack – @jetblast3500
Well, forgive me – perhaps I should have read the previous post.
I didn’t mean to misquote you or anyone else.
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 5:47pmA favorite saying on the forums is: “I hate the sin, but I love the person.” Does that mean that you love the pedophile that rapes a 1 year old child and then murders him or her? Do you love those who flew into the twin towers on 9/11? It is difficult to separate the person from the sin and as long as people continue their abominable actions like pedophilia, murder, rape, I hate them because they are willingly performing their acts. The homosexuals can do what they please, but they do not have the right to force me to accept their deviant acts. What they are doing is filthy and an abomination to God. It is none of my business if a person wants to be a homosexual, but it is Gods business. Just stay away from me and those that I love, we don’t want your diseases…. you are filthy.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 6:06pm@Mill
“Get a life, who the heck are any of you to tell someone what GOD/jesus wants or doesn’t want?”
God has already given me life first of all..Second I Can’t speak for all but I am a believer in Jesus Christ and upon believing in him I am commanded to read his word, the BIBLE, you call some little book wrote by anybody….It tells us to share his word, The Bible…
“I’m beginning to think that people who believe in the “bible” are self righteous dipwads. Just sayin….Narrow minded, you think because a little book written by somebody, could have been anybody, at some point in time gives you the right to pass judgment over others.”
Uhm, can you please point out this judgement you speak of? Telling one what the Bible says isn’t my judgement, but it is God’s word….
Narrow is the path the Bible says to take so calling me narrow minded is kind of a compliment…..I appreciate it….
“I do not in my wildest imagination believe that is why we are here…”
I bet if you pick up that “little book”, opened it and began to read it you would see God created us to do exactly what your saying we shouldn’t…We are to speak the word of God for all to hear….
“AND aren’t you going to be ashamed when your god arrives in a mini skirt…”
No because God almighty will not be wearing anything….Again pick up a Bible, or “little book” as you call it, read it and you might see how ignorant you sound…..Until then how can you speak of it?
Isn’t it kind of hypocritical for you to tell us not to “judge” yet you are telling us we are wrong for speaking the Bible? Are you judging us? How embarrassing for you!!!
Pick up a Bible and read it….No one forced you to read, comment, or spout your ignorance of God’s word….
Report Post »TNT1
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 6:30pmI guess I’m not going to have any choice but to come out of the closet because my a$$ hurts from being screwed by politicians
Report Post »avenger
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:05pmthere is nothing “gay” about being a homosexual….
Report Post »HumbleMan
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:29pmI will not condemn gays. It’s not my place. But marriage is marriage and we have DOMA, which should serve some purpose despite BHO’s administrative orders to ignore it, effectively overriding the legislative powers conferred by the constitution on Congress, the administration has sworn to protect.
I ask this poor excuse for a human being: “How many Democrat’s does God have to create, before we understand they are stupid?” Actions speak louder than high-sounding words. The democratic party has always been a den of backward thinking, calling anyone not conforming to their hypocrisy “stupid”. They even believe their own BS … witness the trolls here.
Report Post »rubbernecker
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 8:32pmHow do you spell “40”?
Report Post »Arminianism
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 9:37pmCAITTHEGREAT
AMEN! I was thinking exactly what you wrote as I was reading through the comments.
Christ calls us to a personal relationship with him and to use our gifts and blessing to lead others to Christ. I probably haven’t read the bible as much as some, but I don’t ever remember Christ lobbying the politicians to create laws to force people to abide by God laws. I think when God sees us down here picketing government institutions to continue to make laws that tell gays what they can and can’t do, and I have to believe he is disappointed. I believe that he would want us as followers of Christ to go to these people that we are so desperately trying to control and tell them the good story Christ’s life and that he wants desperately to have a personal relationship with them…. Think about it. Let say if there were 2 protests going on a street corner. One was filled with Christians screaming and yelling that homosexuals are a abomination and shouldn’t be allowed to get married. The other side is full of gays screaming and yelling for the Christians to stay out of their lives and their relationships. If Christ were to appear, which side would he go to? I believe whole heartedly that he would go to the side of the gays protesting and would say, “Come gather around my children, let me tell you what I have done for you and what I have prepared for you if you CHOOSE to follow me.” I don’t think he goes to the side of the Christians and picks up a picket sign and helps lobby for stricter anti-gay marriage laws.
I believe homosexuality is a sin and much as the next Christian does. I just don’t think this is what Christ would do, and aren’t we all suppose to strive to be like Christ as much as possible? Its all about free will with God and I believe that it applies here as well…….
Thats just my belief but I’m willing to accept that I may be wrong, but I don’t think so……
Report Post »No1YaKnow
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 10:32pmWhat a moonbat. No one is advocating they do not exist. However, they can have their OWN DEFINITION of marriage that equally cannot be altered. Why is it that our politicians always purposely lead the wrong fight? Divisiveness, that’s why. GET YOUR OWN DEFINITION and move on. ****.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:24amWhat the heck.. is this the ONLY thing they have to discuss??? How about doing some real work?? BTW as soon as people quit worrying about the gays the amount we have will be cut in 1/2 since right now being gay is VOGUE.. and a good way to get attention.. once that‘s gone it won’t be as much fun being gay anymore..
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 12:58amtxn4justice
Posted on May 4, 2011 at 12:46pm
Who’s God is he speaking of?
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Great question. I had no idea that there was a gay god in the first place.
My God created us in his image and then he created Eve. And he didn’t create Eve just as a punch-line to a joke or something to amuse man, there was/is a reason!!!
Help draft Colonel West…
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TRUTH
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:39am@snowleopard- no, just no
Report Post »@chfields62- It does happen in nature, do some research. Assuming you’re married, you never engage in sex outside of trying to create a child?
@its_time_to_arrest_our_government- A lot of the grammar stuff on here is petty, but seriously, learn to express yourself in the English.
@imreddog- I’m assuming by disease you mean AIDS, also prevalent in black communities. Should blacks be eliminated as well?
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 2:03am@Truth
Do you believe in God? When you look into the mirror, what do you see first?
Nature would not create something that could not reproduce….Isn’t that natures purpose? To grow, produce offspring, while the first generation dies off….Look at plant life….Is there “gay” plants?
And you are incorrect, animals are not “gay”… Some when not around opposite sexes do get so worked up they try to breed with same sex but if you put four animals in a pen, two of each sex, 100% of the time a male and female have sex…. 0% of the time do the two males have sex and the two woman have sex…
If you can prove nature does create “gays”, what is there purpose? Did nature create “gays” so those genes aren’t passed on since no reproduction can occur…Think about that one!
Do you believe people can control their emotions, hormones or are we like animals and react of impulse?
Being “gay” is a choice and the Bible tells us it’s wrong..Nature shows it is unnatural…..Don’t kill the messenger, look for yourself…
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 7:51amGod doesn’t create “gays”. God is not the author of sin. God created a man and a woman, neither of which were gay. To the contrary, both the man and the woman God created were normal hetrosexuals and not homosexuals. God named them Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The first chapter of the Book of Romans clearly teaches God’s oposition to homosexuality and His condemnation of all homosexuals, gays and lesbians.
Gays can not “procreate”, therefore they have to “recruit” others into their unholy fraternity from such places as schools, boy‘s and girl’s clubs etc. The term “gay” is a political correctness attempt to not
embarass homosexuals and demean homosexuality. Years ago they were called what they are “queers” because of their queer, odd or weird sexual preference for the same sex.
Homosexuality is not caused by a sickness or a genetic unbalance or disorder. It’s an acquired and sinful sexual practice. The Bible strongly condemns homosexuality and society shuns it or distances itself from it. There is nothing “normal” about homosexuality and therefore should not be presented or excepted as a “normal alternative” to hetrosexuality.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 8:39amThis makes manifest WHY legislators are not ordained as Ministers. The “Sacred Writings ” are quite clear and consistent -this Legislator is “a liar” .Sexual Orientation remains a choice-hence the term
Report Post »“orientation” Science AFFIRMS Scripture there is no credible science to suggest the Bible got it wrong when it declared God made them male and female.When Scripture affirms in the inspired letter by the Apostle Paul That they refused to retain God in their knowledge -so God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do that which is not convenient. God makes us male and female Some choose the
abomination of fornication and adultery -when they choose the self and communal destructive lifestyle.
There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.
William
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 10:12amThats easy………………………..He does not create them! He does not want them around!
Report Post »Clive
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:35amcaitthegreat,
Report Post »exactly. young people accept it, not even really “young people” anymore, pretty much anyone under 40 doesn’t sweat gay marriage. i’m a married father of two, what two gay people do, has zero impact on my family, my wallet, my happiness. so who cares. its seniors, and the semi old baby boomers, that care so deeply, and as you say, will be looked upon the same way you look at an old racist.
Clive
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 11:41amcaitthegreat,
Report Post »exactly. young people accept it, not even really “young people” anymore, pretty much anyone under 40 doesn’t sweat gay marriage. i’m a married father of two, what two gay people do, has zero impact on my family, my wallet, my happiness. so who cares. its seniors, and the semi old baby boomers, that care so deeply, and as you say, will be looked upon the same way you look at an old racist. sad and pathetic, and if you think the bible gives you an excuse to act pathetic, it doesn’t.
imreddog
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:07pm@Truth
Report Post »You should go back and read my post. I did not say that homosexuals should be eliminated. What I did say is that I want them to stay away from me. If all sinful people were “eliminated” then we would all be eliminated. I’m as sinful as the next guy, but I don’t want your diseases AND I find your sexual practices to be absolutely disgusting… as well as filthy!
Also, it isn’t just AIDS. There are a lot of diseases that are caused by contact with feces… why do you think that there are signs telling employees to wash their hands after going to the toilet? There is a lot of AIDS in the Black communities because there is a lot of drugs in the Black communities. The perverts use the drugs to entice some of their victims.
adouglass1
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 1:41pmWe who care should all call his office and leave a message saying ” God didnt create gays you did!! and hang up!! Im waiting for the next thing is to charge the Seals by Holder for some criminal act with his kooky self!!! That is why I had to end my service 7 months ago and not reup!! They tie your hands dont shoout dont engage until this or that but the enemy has no honor. I am a Marine that has served in all the theatres of war we are engaged in and just got sick of this Administration I will more than likely wait for the next Administration in 2012 before I serve again!! 13th Imam you are funny as hell!! lmao
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 4:09pmHomosexuality exists in nature. It’s not just a choice. Animals exhibit the behavior. Christians love nothing more than to cast the first stone. That’s why christianity is a total JOKE
CLOWNS.
Report Post »corbecket
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 4:20pm“Sex has 1 purpose and 1 purpose only and that is to propagate the species……”
This…..observation shows either a shocking lack of experience, or an equal lack of imagination. Some folks need to get out more often! ;-)
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 7:18pmIt is clear that this Democratic Rep does not know God. He is basicly saying that we get to decide what God wants and doesn’t want. I would pose another question, how many more gays does Satan have to create before we are stand up for what is clear about what God wants. I have nothing against gays personally or individually. I also happen to believe that homosexuals are born homosexual but that does not mean they have to be gay. Gays are the homosexuals that believe in the gay lifestyle and promote the gay agenda. The gay agenda is to force the gay lifestyle upon the rest of the world as something “normal” and acceptable and pleasing to man and God. They are out right liars and they have been decieved by their own arrogance and ingorance. Read the first chapter of Romans and there you will see the downfall of mankind into the sinful nature that we have. There is a verse that states that God gave them over to their un-natural lust for the same sex. Homosexuals who desire to live a Godly life should remain single and live for the Kingdom of God. Matt 19:12 Jesus speaks of such people. Isaiah 56: 3-5 is a really wonderful promise to those people too. Homosexuals have no excuse to join the gays and live the gay lifestyle.
Report Post »Jesus however said that this time was to come, It would be worst than Sodom in the last days. Allowing gays to defile marriage is truly taking it to God’s throne. How can we expect God to bless and protect this nation with this?
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David, the Constitutional Libertarian
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 7:46pmOkie from Muskogee
Report Post »Is Blaze censoring h o m o, yes, I wrote h o m o sapien earlier and it censored me!
jjack
Posted on May 5, 2011 at 9:39pm@okie from muskogee it does not matter rather or not you believe its a contract between man,woman, and god. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. If gay people want to get married its their pursuit, now if they want to get married in a church thats a different subject if the church is public they should be allowed if its a private church then the owner has the right to deny.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:45am@JJack
It isn’t just what I believe, it is truth…Marriage is a religious ceremony. Not a government ceremony…I agree all people created equal with unalienable rights…
Yes if h o m o s want to practice a perverse marriage, their right to do so…It‘s not GOVERNMENT’S job to dictate marriage. Since marriage was created by God and the Church is to marry I don’t believe h o m o s would go to a Church to be married…They may go to a park and have “Mother Earth” marry them since most h o m o s do not believe in God because being h o m o goes directly against God’s word.
The only reason h o m o s want to be recognized by Government as “married” is for tax breaks, insurance, and subtle force of acceptance…Why else would h o m o s want to partake in a religious ceremony?
If you notice Jack, I told my Christian brethren here if Government allows man and woman, so should Government allow h o m o s as to not be hypocritical….By replacing God with Government my fellow Christian brethren have caused this problem…the solution is to remove marriage from Government and place it back to it’s creator, God….The Christians will be married as God said and h o m o s can do as they please in a perverse marriage…
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