Minnesota Gay Marriage Amendment Causes Intense Debate Among Catholics
- Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:44pm by
Billy Hallowell
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In 2012, Minnesotans will vote on an amendment to the state constitution that would officially define marriage as an institution between one man and one women.
If passed, Article XIII will be amended to include, “Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota.” Gay marriage advocates are less than content with this proposal.
The Catholic Church, which has always taken a strong stance against same-sex marriage, is getting heavily involved in the contentious debate over this controversial constitutional change.
The Church is throwing its weight behind the proposal, with the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis planning to create committees in every Minnesota Catholic church in an effort to rally support for the marriage definition. The Minnesota Independent has more:
Archbishop John Nienstedt sent a letter to every priest in the state at the start of October urging them to put every Catholic church in Minnesota tow work passing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. [...]
The archbishop said it wants priests in every parish to identify a “church captain” in order to create an “ad hoc committee” in every church in the state. [...]
These committees, as well as the church’s general stance on same sex marriage, are creating angst in the Catholic community, as some express support for the doctrine-based measures, while others lament the Church’s refusal to support gay marriages.
Freedom to Marry is only one of many groups speaking out against these committees and against the Church’s stance as a whole. The organization is planning a counter campaign and here‘s how they’re characterizing the situation:
Minnesota bishops have just taken the unusual step of urging parish priests across the state to form committees to help pass the proposed anti-marriage amendment in 2012. This isn‘t the first time we’ve faced a multi-million dollar campaign funded by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church to ban the freedom to marry.
Brian Cahill, the former executive director of San Francisco Catholic Charities, has published some harsh words for the church as well. He writes:
I am the father of a gay son, and I may not be objective, but I would suggest to the 30 or 40 bishops who might be willing to stand up that they could apologize for the disrespect our church has shown to gays and lesbians, sometimes blatant, sometimes nuanced, but always felt, and for the pain intentionally or otherwise inflicted on gays and lesbians by church teaching and how it has been presented.
I know they took a specific oath that locks them into loyalty and obedience. But no oath to the church requires them to ignore the harsh, disrespectful language our church uses. No oath requires them to gloss over the dichotomy between showing compassion and respect for gays and lesbians and at the same time condemning them for acting on who they are. No oath requires them to pretend that the “compassion and respect” component of the teaching does not take a distant second place to the condemnation.
Clearly, the arguments coming out against the church and its stance on marriage are strong-worded (many are citing newfound statistics that show a minority of Catholics opposing gay marriage as a corroboratory note). But others are supportive of the church’s official teachings on marriage. Catholic League president Bill Donohue is defending Nienstedt and the call to stand up for the marriage amendment.
“The reason why Minnesotans will vote next year on the issue of a constitutional amendment affirming marriage, traditionally understood, is due to attempts to reconfigure this ancient social institution,” Donohue writes. “For example, people excluded by nature from procreating are currently demanding the right to marry, winning sympathy in some courts.”
Catholics like Donohue believe that Nienstedt is doing the right thing by holding up Biblical views on marriage. And he’s not alone. Those who remain true to the Church’s views will likely push forward in helping to promote the amendment.
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Comments (146)
blazingaway
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:22pmnature abhors the unnatural and always consumes it. AIDS was a warning to gays regarding their unnatural acts. What will befall society for embracing gays in all and any manner they wish/demand and impose will be like Sodom and Gomorrah. Reap what you sow .. we are planting the seeds of our own destruction
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:52pmJust look at Africa. Some places there kill their gays. And look! No HIV there.
Report Post »CatholiConservative
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:28amThe eternal truth of how God made man & woman to need eachother to be whole sometimes clashes with the moral relativism that abounds in liberal minds- any doubts of God’s intention please read genesis- it’s over used, but God made Adam & Eve,not Adam & steve all we can do is pray for these misguided souls within the church as well as those in the pontifical counsil who suggested one world bank- the Holy Scripture & CCC don’t jive with their version of Catholic Theology
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:28ami really think that it’s ridiculous to say that AIDS was a warning to the gays. If that was the case then it would be a gay-only disease. It would not affect heterosexuals, it would not be passable through IV’s or intravenous drug use, and it would not be passable to children in utero or through breast milk.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:10amAIDS is not a punishment for homosexuality, but homosexuality is a punishment for ungodliness.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:16am@Doctor Nordo
“i really think that it’s ridiculous to say that AIDS was a warning to the gays”
What you “think” is not worth a squirt of piss. You are entitled to your own thoughts, but not your own truth.
Of all the new cases of HIV last year, 90% was contracted by homosexuals (check the CDC website). 70% got it through gay sex (male with male) another 20 percent got HIV from either gay sex, or from sharing needles.
If you do not know that homosexuality destroys nations, then your head is in the sand.
This 2% of the population is toting the majority of the AIDS, has 64% of syphilis, commits 1/3 of child molestations, and has the highest suicide rates, very high alcohol and drug abuse rates.
Every nation in history that has accepted homosexuality has fallen soon after. Homosexuality destroys the family. When you destroy the family, you destroy the nation.
Report Post »Longshot35
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:42am@RANGERP
If you are going to quote statitics from the CDC then please quote them accurately. 63% of the new HIV infections were related to Male with Male sex. 17% were related to intravenous drug use.
While the majority of HIV contractions in North America are related to Male with Male sex, that is not true for the entire world. I haven’t checked Europe yet but in Africa it is overwhelmingly contracted through heterosexual sex which is where the vast majority of HIV contractions occur.
Either way, if a person were to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ the vast majority of people would not contract or have a risk of contracting this horrific disease. If heterosexuals waited until marriage then the problem would be nullified. If everyone abstained from intravenous drug use and if homosexuals made a different lifestyle choice then the horrible disease would be again have no chance to infect people.
This disease is awful and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Report Post »Harryc123
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:11amConsentidon, Actually I think africa has a very high HIV/AIDS problem. Just do a quick google and you’ll see.
Report Post »Cerealface
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:37amThe crazy house called.
They want you to believe haiti made a deal with the devil as well you freaking lunatic.
Report Post »PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:58amhttp://www.MinnesotaForMarriage.org. Librals have found another way to defile home and family for evil, selfish purposes. Religious groups who have refused to make their facilities available for same-sex couples have lost their state tax exemption! They have been forced to close their charitable adotion agencies. In MA Kids as young as second grade are taught about gay marriage in class. The parents had no right to prior notice, or to opt their children out of such instruction. Wedding professionals have been fined for refusing to participate in a same-sex ceremony. Doctors, lawyer, accountants and other licensed professionals risk their state licensure if they act on their belief that a same-sex couple cannot really be married. MN who believe marriage is between one man and one worman, would be the legal equivalent of bigots for acting on their heatfelt beliefs. Those who do not agree with this new definition of marriage as a genderless institution existing for the benefit of ADULTS – NOT- CHILDREN will be treated under the law just like racists and bigots and will be punished for their beliefs. Such a paradigm shift says to children that mothers and fathers don’t matter (especially fathers) – any two “parents” will do. The POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT will work in concert to promote this belief throughout the culture. NOTE:The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. Romans 8:6 KNOW ROMANS!
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:58amI already know a lot of my homosexual friends will be up in arms about this, probably saying that a church can not interfere. HOWEVER the Constitution is clear: “Congress shall make no law… limiting the free exercise of religion.” Or press. Or speech. These churchgoers have every right to organize and speak their minds, and Congress is forbidden from stopping them.
Also: Minnesota is for Minnesotans. Those of us who are citizens of other Member States of the Union have no more right to interfere with their government’s constitution, than a German or Briton has a right to interfere with the French government’s constitution. They have a right to self-determination and self-government.
Report Post »Melvin Spittle
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:17pm@Longshot35 I believe many folks are missing the bigger picture. In 99.9% of AIDS and HIV, had these folks lived by the Word of God, they would not have ever contracted the disease. Yes, in extremely rare cases the innocent may contract the disease through blood transfusion or other forms of direct contact with the virus. I believe that AIDS is a warning from God to live by His word. An atheist may believe that it is nature’s way of natural selection to ensure the fittest survive.
So what do we do here in the US? We promote behavior that is a threat to public health. We promote teen pregnancy on MTV as a role model. We promote Gay marriage. We promote the poisoning of young minds through government indoctrination in our public schools. We promote intolerance towards Christians while promoting Islamic education in our public schools.
How much more will God tolerate before he lays the final smack-down on this perverted and morally corrupt planet? AIDS is just one of many future plagues to come.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:44pmRanger;
“Homosexuality destroys the family. When you destroy the family, you destroy the nation.”
Well said.
Longshot;
“Either way, if a person were to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ the vast majority of people would not contract or have a risk of contracting this horrific disease. If heterosexuals waited until marriage then the problem would be nullified. If everyone abstained from intravenous drug use and if homosexuals made a different lifestyle choice then the horrible disease would be again have no chance to infect people.”
Amen!!!
Report Post »TombstoneJim
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:48pmBravo – No society that has openly “accepted” homosexual behavior has stood for long. Keep your perversion in your own lives and do not ask society to accept, nay celebrate your mental illness as an acceptable alternative to husband and wife.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:04pmConsentiondum
There is a lot of HIV in Africa. A lot of gays & bisexuals are spreading it. Straights are also spreading it when they are not monogamous or visit prostitutes (especially truckers) . Straights engaging in rough sex can transmit vastly increase the chances of HIV transmission even if the coitus is *******.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:26pmLongshot35
People in Africa lie about their sexual orientation more than they do in the U.S. due to stigma. Epidemiologists give subjects of a survey a die. The subject of the survey is suppose to roll the die. Depending on what result of the roll subject tells the truth or lies. Does this introduce noise into the survey. Yes. But without it Epidemiologists would get no results whatsoever. They have just started using this approach. It was first used to ask farmers if they had killed wildlife that had trampled their fields. Not all past surveys have used this technique. It was reported in livescience or Discover. So I do not believe that AIDS is does not have a severe **** component to it. in Africa.
It has previously been reported that many men (?) in south Africa like dry coitus with women because it is more stimulating & this leads to more micro tears.
Also certain alleles that make Africans resistant to malaria might more prone to catching HIV.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:30pmLongshot35
I went to avert.org
Homos contribute to the AIDS epidemic 40% in Britain way out of proportion to their numbers.
Congratulations to the British Homos.
Are Britain‘s Homos more or less promiscuous than America’s?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:43pmlongshot35
http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-europe.htm
40% probably acquired HIV through heterosexual contact;
37% became infected through male-to-male sexual contact;
4% became infected through injecting drug use;
28% were female;
Something is wrong with these stats 28% female & yet 40% is “PROBABLY” hetero. I bet people are not truthful about sodomy, bisexuality or homosexuality. Even at 37% gays are overachieving like they do in every country.
Report Post »quovadis
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:21pmUnfortunately, sinning creates collateral damage. When any person sins, some how, some way
Report Post »someone else is affected by it. It is a domino affect.
pdh42
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:05pmOur country which at one time was blessed by God is coming apart at the seems because of the failed society that liberalism has brought to us…. What is truly the shame though is that they were able to do this, because good men and women of God sat back and did nothing…. The question is though when will those God fearing men and women start standing up to this liberal mantra???? If we don’t start soon, then one has to wonder how much longer this country will survive….
Report Post »mhearts2002
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:12amHello PDH42, have you ever considered taking responsibility for your role in society. Blaming others will achieve nothing. I encourage you to go out and do something constructive.
Report Post »ConservDadASD
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:48amSure mhearts, I’m sure that pdh42 and I and other conservatives , being imperfect , probably messed up on things in the past… mostly on the inaction side (as well as being “open minded” at times when lines needed to be drawn and kept). However, most of the damage done as of late was done by the liberals.
Report Post »This country had its sights on God and His Gospel , as well as his Biblical Precepts (which told us what we, on the national level, must do for our nation to be blessed). School children went to their school hoses with the sure expectation that the Bible was going to either be taught outright, or at least used as a text to learn to read. Most of the institutions of higher learning such as Princeton, Yale, and Harvard were started as seminaries. And contrary to popular mythological belief, the most of the founding fathers were actual Christians with theological or similar degrees… they were not deists or agnostics.
Did this mean moral perfection in our society? No! But you can’t expect perfection, even among a nation that was majority Christian. There was slavery… a glaring blot… but that was eliminated less than a century later… after a bloody war. What got the anti-slavery movement going were a few influential Christian men and women who talked to people and wrote books, such as Uncle Tom’s Cabin.
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ConservDadASD
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:51amWhat started the slide downward was first the weakness of the church, and a movement known as pietism which meant that because the world was evil, getting involved in it thru influencing politics and other sectors, was somewhat like dirtying one’s own hands. It was, in the mind of the pietist, better just to go to church and do other sacred duties… but don’t engage the society as “the salt of the earth.” And later on, this would worsen as the church compromised itself with the world to the point that many church leaders see nothing wrong with evolution, and abortion, and various sexual immoralities. (which probably has led to a large decrease of parishioners in mainline denominations).
Report Post »The weakness of the church and Christian institutions was starting to give in to things that weren’t biblical. In the halls of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, people started to give in to error, in the guise of “open mindedness” Then came along Darwin (with his theory or evolution) and other secularists such as Horace Mann and John Dewey, who wanted to shift the populace toward totally secular education. So as a person moved thru the levels of education from childhood to adulthood, they started to get a mixture of both truth and error… with error increasing in percentage as we moved into the latter half of the 20th century.
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ConservDadASD
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 10:53amAdd in a few activists Sup. Ct. decisions in the 60’s, into the 70’s, and suddenly most of the liberal educrats’ goals are realized…. To the point that we are reaping the consequences… school halls that are moral jungles, Bible and Christian clubs that are harassed by school admin., and all kinds of violence (Columbine) and social issues (epidemic teen pregnancies}
Report Post »Someone once said that the philosophy of the school house in one generation will become the philosophy of the state house in the next…. And that has certainly become true…. And that is why we are where we are. We have told God, on the national level and in public policy, that He and his Bible are irrelevant. So we are reaping the benefits… and will continue to do so as long as we stay on the course that we are on.
Yes, Christians and conservatives flubbed up by not staying involved and engaged in society, and for preventing error from growing like a cancer from a few cells to an oversized metastasized tumor. Yet the rest of the blame goes to those who continued to spread the cancer with intent. To them Christianity and the Bible was the cancer and they intended to eradicate it. How’s it going so far?
Cerealface
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:39amEveryone is blessed by God, unless you’re gay.
Catholics are utterly stupid.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:59pmOops…..that’ll tick off the rump rangers!
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:58pmThe tail will wag the dog on this one. Gays are 2% of the population, they sure know how to get the message out. The parasitic effects of liberalism are overcoming the host in Minnesota. Even if it passes some activist judge will throw it out… God help us.
Report Post »truemedia
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:21pmWill anyone show me any society in any period in history relgious or secular where marriage was NOT JUST BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN??? This whole notion that gays have a right to marry??? This would be fine IF Marriage represented something OTHER than ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN but that is what MARRIAGE. You can put any combination you choose and it still would NOT BE A MARRIAGE which is BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:47pmHaha, marriage is different in just about every culture to ever exist. The definition that you are using comes from your imaginary magical man in the sky, of which you have no right to impose upon others. If they want to call themselves married, who are you to say otherwise?
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:48pmStay strong Catholics. Don’t let our sacred covenants of marriage be changed for 3% of the population. Homosexuality is maladaptive behavior. It is not qualified for marriage. Have you ever noticed that when the people vote in a state for gay marriage it is always defeated? We are not the minority. Don’t let them guilt you into standing up for correct principles and preserving our communities through strong families as God intended them to be. Fight them to the end.
Report Post »mhearts2002
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:16amYou might consider visiting NY, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Washington DC, or Iowa. Gay people can get married in those states and all those places are good to visit. If you don’t like gay people, then don’t go to those states. And last I heard, there were 18,000 gay married couples in California. You might consider giving up computers, software, the Internet, Hollywood movies, TV and military air planes since they’re all made there, at least partially by gay people.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:18am“Haha, marriage is different in just about every culture to ever exist”
BS HAHA.
“The definition that you are using comes from your imaginary magical man in the sky, of which you have no right to impose upon others. If they want to call themselves married, who are you to say otherwise?”
same for pedophiles, right? equal rights for all….and some pigs are more equal than others in your fascist ‘libertarian’ society.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 9:23am“You might consider giving up computers, software, the Internet, Hollywood movies, TV and military air planes since they’re all made there, at least partially by gay people.”
really so babbage was gay? as well as the Augusta ada lovelace? how about Tim Berners-Lee, or Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson? whoever it was who made the antikythera mechanism? ALGORE too? the wright bros were gay??
of course everything that is good holy and right comes from gay people…..right.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:31am@Joe1234
fascist ‘libertarian’ society???
I urge you to look the definitions of those words. Theocracy is much closer to fascism than libertarianism. I don’t understand why people will always try to consider homosexuality and pedophilia. Never mind, actually I do. The vast majority of the populace is ignorant on the formation of the common. It seems most Christians have been indoctrinated to think that law has been handed down ex cathedra through religion. Therefore any deviation from this religion morality will lead to a breakdown of all moral law in their perspective.
This is very different from the rational perspective of natural law, where the only prohibitions on the actions of men are those that damage the life, liberty, or property of another man. The rational man views religious morality as most likely a good thing and may even ascribe to it, but will never use force to enforce or promote that morality.
Also, if we are going to have a rational, natural-law-based legal system, tradition is not a valid argument for maintaining a system. (Appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy)
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:54pm“fascist ‘libertarian’ society???
I urge you to look the definitions of those words. Theocracy is much closer to fascism than libertarianism
”
I urge you too look at the results of what the ‘libertarian’ ideal of gay marriage will bring…a loss of religious liberty and freedom of speech for those who disagree…as the catholic charities in MA, for example, found out.
“I don’t understand why people will always try to consider homosexuality and pedophilia. Never mind, actually I do. The vast majority of the populace is ignorant on the formation of the common. It ”
yeah you sure are ignorant..get a clue gomer, homosexuality is a sexual preference, as is pedophilia….so if the sexual preference of homosexuality get special rights, then why not the sexual preference of pedophilia??? you really need logic 101.
“It seems most Christians have been indoctrinated to think that law has been handed ”
it seems most fascist atheists think they know better than thousands of years of history and can rewrite the rules on a whim, with no consequences.
“The rational man views religious morality as most likely a good thing and may even ascribe to it, but will never use force to enforce or promote that morality. ”
oh yea we‘ve seen your ’rational’ societies in action…the soviet union…with its gulag, red china, and its 80 million or so dead…the killing fields….I can see why you love ‘rationalism’ so much….
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:59pm“Also, if we are going to have a rational, natural-law-based legal system, tradition is not a valid argument for maintaining a system.”
ok gomer, tell me your ‘rational’ reason for having gay marriage? who does it benefit? only those involved…and it requires the loss of liberty for a far greater number of people…but that ok with you ‘rational’ fascists becasue you hate christians….we all know you’d never say boo to the muslims….and we all know why.
and of course gay marriage weakens REAL marriage…as the netherlands have demonstrated…see kurtz….resulting in more fatherless children…and we all know what that brings….more drugs…gangs…crimes…
so give us your ‘rational’ reasons for gay marriage…..I need a good laugh.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:50pmMhearts2002, you may be right and you may be exaggerating a bit. Is it the gay-ness that produces all those things, or is it creative people, some of whom might happen to be gay that accomplishes your claims! Is gay cause-or-effect, or just incidental! By the way, one thing that does NOT come from gay behavior, is MORE PEOPLE! So, gays don’t produce more little gays, which is why gays find it necessary to ‘recruit’ in our grade schools? Why can‘t you just ’be gay’, and not feel the need to put it in everyone’s face! I don‘t care if you’re gay–I just don’t want to know the particulars!
Report Post »saveamericafromthestupids
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:11pmBelow is my 2-cents on the subject of Gay Marriage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nFdy0pLaYSY#!
TEA SUCKS!!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:25pmHere‘s a little thing you probably didn’t know. In Revelation when that Angel comes out of the temple and tells that other Angel to take his sickle and stick it into the earth to reap, do you know what that “Sickle” represents? The crescent-moon.
Report Post »saveamericafromthestupids
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:44pm@ Eliasim:
Report Post »The Sickle in Revelations DOES NOT REPRESENT crescent moon…IT REPRESENTS JUDGEMENT!! Get your bible right!!
http://discoverrevelation.com/Rev_14.html
Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:46pmYes, that is where we are at in Revelation, because I thought it was where Gog and Magog are gathered from the four-corners for battle, but actually both occurrences look similar. But there is just too much land still open for people to live on. They just have it all locked-up. No, we are at the point that the Angel lays hold of the beast and the Dragon and throws them back in the pit.
Report Post »Obeckian1984
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:46pmAbortion is the worship of Molech
Report Post »http://180movie.com/
Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:50pmBecause people are still far too Biblically stupid for it to be the latter.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:58pmYes you see, nobody has had the Bible understood correctly yet, and therefore nobody could have been reigning with Christ 1000 years.
Report Post »Cerealface
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:41amHere’s another two cents.
You’re reading a BOOK.
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:06pmWhat about a marriage between a priest and a third-grade boy? They sure do seem to like doing the nasty with the little ones. and if they’re doing the nasty, they should be dong the nasty in wedlock, don’t you think?
Report Post »freedentstheone
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:02pmKinda sad that you are mocking homosexuality as a means to support it, and implying that pedophiles are innately homosexual as well. Troll yourself back to your cave and self-worship sum moar. The Catholic sacrament of Holy Matrimony is not subject to legislative “correction”, the state can perform whatever empty ceremony they want and call it “marriage” but it will never be seen as an equal to the religious union in the eyes of the Church. Deal with it.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:00pmI want to know why I can’t marry the tree in my yard? It’s a beautiful red maple, never snipes, never gripes, never ask for anything, it just sits there and loves me with it’s beauty. It never ask me for money, nor does it ask me to buy it food.
Ghezz..this is so stupid, Man should not marry man, women should not marry women, I don’t give a rats butt if this offends anyone. Grow up and stop this stupidity
Report Post »lukacx
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:45pmI wasn’t aware a tree could consent
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:25pmYea. They can read, understand and sign a contract too.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:57pmHoly moly im so confused where is my tottie?
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:35pmIf you were gay, you’d have to check your Buttie!
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:48pmWhats the big deal over homosexuality. Isn’t it a little self defeating by nature?
Report Post »lady_liberty
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:40pm@ELIASIM: you are SOOOO ignorant! There are people who “claim” to be catholic who molest children … they ARE NOT! And honey, guess what … there are moletsters who creep there way into EVERY relion to prey on children….wise up.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:47pmYes I know “Honey but the main thing is that they steal the good-wine, and guess what “Honey” if the Lord don’t get no good-wine, then you don’t get no Bread, and if you don’t get no bread because you are sending up the bad-wine, then the Lord will dump the bad-wine on-top of you. And that is surely coming.
Report Post »NCTRUTH
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:36pmOk lets do it this way. Take 100 man and wife couples and 100 men coupls and 100 women couples without any outside influence they all get put in a room and the group that comes out with the most kids WINS and that will be called marriage
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:48pmSounds good but they still will not get it as they are mentally incapable of logic……….peace
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:24amI’ve been to a lot of weddings over the years and the ceremonies all talk about love and mutual commitment and support, but I don’t remember them ever mentioning children. Somehow though, when this one issue comes up parenthood is suddenly the only purpose of marriage and procreation is the most important part of parenthood. Gay people may not be able to reproduce with their spouses, but just like the millions of married couples who can’t have children of their own, they can certainly be parents.
Report Post »Onlybev
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:25pmMariage between a man a women is biblical. If even the Cathoilic church doesn’t know this, who does? “Brian” who has an agenda should not be the voice of the Catholic Church. Please stand up to the radical right who would have you believe that it is also our right for a job and health care. This is not the American way. Please rethink what you are doing. Jesus is Lord. Read the Bible
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:24pmI’m afraid to comment here because someone might know who I am and I might get fired…so much for freedom of speech.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:24pmJust tell the gay marriage advocates to stuff it. No pun intended!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:19pmPersonally I don’t see how the opinion of priests is really relevant. They molest children whom grow up to molest children and the whole process keeps going.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:24pmThey should know what is going to happen to them. What did Jesus Christ say about those whom hurt children?
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:27pmYes. And every Irishman is an alcoholic, every Italian a thug, every Pole is stupid…get the point? Putz…can I say that here?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:33pmWhile obviously biased (it is from the Catholic League, the same organization trying to pass this amendment in MN), this article provides figures and data to back up that Protestant ministers have just as many (if not more) cases of paedophilia than Catholic priests.
http://www.catholicleague.com/research/abuse_in_social_context.htm
Also, just something to keep in mind: less than 1.5% of US priests have even been accused of sexual abuse. While still unacceptable, it is also likely not indicative of the majority of priests.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:17pmWhat’s the Vatican going to do when Italy finally collapses and they are surrounded by Muslims?
Report Post »towerguy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:48pmVery insightful point…
Report Post »nmontague
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:07pm“What’s the Vatican going to do when Italy finally collapses and they are surrounded by Muslims?”
Convert to Mormonism?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:15pmWho cares what Catholics think? They’ve been stealing the good-wine from their members for hundreds of years.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:19pmAs they are by far the largest denomination of Christianity in both the US and the world, I’d argue that anyone who wants to win the national election or connect with people all across Earth cares a bit.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:22pmWell at least they call themselves Christians. But when someone goes into confession, and a priest (who really is a nobody) tells them they are forgiven, then the person stops making the good-wine because they think they are forgiven, and therefore there is no more internal conflict. They make the bad-wine.
Report Post »45Sentinel
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:24pmDude don’t feed the trolls.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:27pmOh I’m sorry. I just don’t recognize the Catholic Church as being of Christ. I recognize it as being the remnants of the Roman Empire.
Report Post »becca_leigh
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:34pmfunny…I spent 14 yrs in Catholic school and we learned all about Christianity…not so much about the roman empire though
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:10pmMeh. About 2/3s of Catholics aren’t against gay marriage (according to the study linked by Billy in this post). The Catholic Church in America is usually much, much more liberal than the congregations found in Latin American or Polynesian countries, and the views of the congregation often differ significantly with those of the Vatican itself. In the end it’s up to the MN voters, not the church.
I did laugh at this statement though: “For example, people excluded by nature from procreating are currently demanding the right to marry, winning sympathy in some courts.”
Apparently the Catholic League President doesn’t believe in marriage between men and women unable to conceive either. It’s a pretty poorly worded statement.
Report Post »maggiejo
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:05pmLet’s hope this State gets it right! Remember, the pinheads in Minnesota voted for Franken – or at least that’s what we were lead to believe. Funny thing is, anyone you ask won’t admit they voted for him. . . so we never know how the vote will come out. I think we need to watch those at the top during our elections here in Minnesota. Voter fraud was a big thing in 2008.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:39pmThe evidence suggests that Franken actually lost the election.
Report Post »tom
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:58pmWe need a president who isn’t gay in 2012 to stop this madness!
Report Post »Consentiondum
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:32pmObama = Gay atheist that wants to impose sharia law. Yes, it makes perfect sense. I want the guy out too, but some of the things I hear people say about him on here are absurd. Though I am sure it was a joke in this particular instance.
Report Post »becca_leigh
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:56pmso here’s the thing…the Catholic Church teaches that the sacrament of marriage has one major purpose…to procreate and raise the next generation of children….2 guys can’t possibly ever create a child together and therefore, have no “right” to participate in this sacrament
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:07pmSo if a man and a woman marry, and he or she or both are infertile and can’t procreate, do they have no right to marry?
Report Post »conservativepatriot93
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:30pmYour Sensei, a medical infertile diagnosis is not absolute, there are plenty of instances of “infertile” couples conceiving. The fact is that two men or two women will never, ever be able to conceive naturally. Never. It is unequivocally impossible. No exceptions.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:54pmSince this isn’t 15th century Italy, why do the rest of us have to care what the Catholic Church teaches? And if in your mind it’s okay for infertile people are allowed to marry only because “a medical infertile diagnosis is not absolute,” what about people who are much too old to conceive? Why is the church okay with marrying them even though they can’t possibly breed more Catholics for them?
Report Post »JimL
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:58amMarriage is a vocation– you are called. Use the listening aid- discernment.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:54pmAt least one state can get it right!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:51pmthere are 100 reasons this italian american is not catholic. one of them being “the churches official stance” funny because I thought the bible was where we get our answers not what our church choses to follow, it isnt a pick here or skip this buffet line. God was pretty clear on this issue. When the hole country is going down the tubes lets just keep deflecting the real issues and argue about gays and abortion.
Report Post »becca_leigh
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:03pmthe bible says to treat everyone like you would treat God because he created them….somehow that part of the bible ties into killing babies
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:13pm@Becca
Do you have a quote from Scripture on that? I think you might be misquoting Matthew 7:12. In no way does the “do unto others” quote reference how to treat God. God is to be worshiped and venerated; if you treated everyone else like Him, then you would breaking some Commandments.
Report Post »becca_leigh
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:27pmthere‘s also that commandment that says you shouldn’t kill…I think that one covers the abortion argument but since you‘re the one that knows you’re bible verses, you should already know that God doesn’t want us to kill babies
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:31pmbecca you are totally missing the point. these issues divide out nation into destruction. obviously the bible says not to have abortions and homosexuality is not ok. watch the other hand. while they keep these issues on the front page to divide us and try and sway independent oters to vote D. they are in the mean time destroying our country financially. if this diversion tactic continues working there will be NO country left to debate gay marraige or abortion.
Report Post »sta
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:00amIt’s not “hole country” it’s “whole country”.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:48pmAny one with a Brain knows this Law is Correct. The only reason for other combinations is: Tax, Benefits, Entitlements, and Discounts… which are all Economic Considerations!
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:59pmYou’re right and Amen!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:41pmWill straight people who don’t give a crap about religion still be able to get married for tax, benefits, entitlements, and discounts? Because as long as they can, you really are denying gays equal rights and equal protection of the law.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:35am“Any one with a Brain knows this Law is Correct. The only reason for other combinations is: Tax, Benefits, Entitlements, and Discounts… which are all Economic Considerations!”
You mean any one with a dogma or bigotry. Any rational man will see that to restrict the entry into private contract on the basis of gender is a violation of rights. From a utilitarian perspective, the expansion of rights and privileges to previously disenfranchised individuals does no injury to your liberty.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 2:03pm“Any rational man will see that to restrict the entry into private contract on the basis of gender is a violation of rights. ”
of course you ‘rational’ men have no problem with taking away the rights of christians to disagree with your new special right for gays….
so give me the ‘rational’ reason why my rights should be taken away to give a special right that has never existed in the history of the world.
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