Minor League Baseball Team to Change Name from ‘Saints’ to ‘Aints’ for Special Atheist Promotion
- Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:13am by
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For one night in August, the St. Paul Saints will become the St. Paul Aints. (Image source: Fox Sports North)
For one night next month, the minor league baseball St. Paul Saints will become the “Mr. Paul Aints” for a game sponsored by a local atheist group.
The Minnesota team known for some off-the-wall promotions — Michael Vick dog chew toys, for one — will have a theme night on Aug. 10 titled “A Night of Unbelievable Fun” hosted by the Minnesota Atheists. Players will wear special “Aints” jerseys and the letter “S” in all Saints signs and logos will be covered, according to the Religious News Service.
“I think our message here and our brand of entertainment has always been one that’s been inclusive,” Saints general manager Derek Sharrer told Fox Sports North. “When we were approached by the Minnesota Atheists, we felt like it was within our nature to be inclusive and certainly work with them to provide them the opportunity to provide their message in the same way that we have worked with hundreds and hundreds of faith-based groups over our 20 years here in St. Paul.”
August Berkshire, president of Minnesota Atheists, told the Religious News Service his organization wants to show that atheists can have fun.
“We picked the name not as a political statement, but just as something that was fun,” he said. “We thought everybody ain’t got a belief in something so it was a word everybody could relate to. Obviously, we ain’t got a belief in God.”
Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, will throw out the ceremonial first pitch before the game and there will be references to Big Foot and UFOs in the stadium, RNS reported.
Sharrer told the Associated Press the team has hosted Christian concerts and a Jewish heritage night and that it would be “hypocritical” to tell the atheists no. The “Aints” jerseys will be auctioned off for charity after the game.
“The one thing I can assure you is that it will be all in good fun,” Sharrer said. “This isn’t about mocking or ridiculing any one belief. This is about presenting the beliefs of this group of folks in a way that can be fun and entertaining.”



















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liesnomore
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:22am“We picked the name not as a political statement, but just as something that was fun,” he said. “We thought everybody ain’t got a belief in something so it was a word everybody could relate to. Obviously, we ain’t got a belief in God.”
Well Mr Berkshire you obviously also have no command of the English language either…As for wanting something that “was fun”: I am sure the squirt gun fights in hell will help pass the time.
Report Post »TAXEVERYONE
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:05pmWe be havin fun.
Report Post »davecorkery
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 12:11pmSquirt gun fights in hell? Only according to the story you were told. there are, literally, 40,000 religions out there, and they all think they are the true one. Ten seconds of investigation will show you this. Don’t be afraid. You might learn something.
Report Post »mdeputy7
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 12:52pmActually, Dave, they DON‘T all think they’re “the one.” In fact, most religions believe that there are many ways to God. In FACT, your 40,000 number is ridiculously overstated. There may be different sects and denominations, but there are not 40,000 different religions. It’s really funny when somebody tries to seem smart and like they know what they are talking about only to exaggerate beyond any sort of reasonable point just to prove a point.
Report Post »IsThereADifference
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:14amWow that is very very clever.
Report Post »Epic Fail
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:09amSo hopefully only athiest will go watch them. Soon there ain’t going to be a team at all!
Report Post »davecorkery
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 12:13pmHave you not noticed the number of christian churches closing in the last ten years? Soon there will be no christian teams.
Report Post »hi
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:07amAtheists should be fighting Shariah. They have already taken out all of the Christian stuff in schools and whatnot. Whereas the Shariah is making its way in.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:55pmHI — being a coward again I see, hiding behind .06% of the US population so your fragile faith won’t be offended.
You belong to 80% of the population, coward, with the power to make laws and have them enforced, based on your religion. But anytime you see an atheist, you scream, “What about the Muslims!”
Pathetic little coward.
Report Post »Weiners Wiener
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:19pmWay to dodge the point, Bruce. Now, back to reality – Why don’t atheists ever go after Islam? Because it is the atheists who are cowards.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:31pmMuhammad can lick my nether region. there.
now having said that, there are simply a lot more Christians here than Muslims. Muslims also don‘t knock on my door asking if i’ve heard the good news of Allah. i don’t have 17 mosques in my small suburban Philadelphia town, but i do have 17 churches (and no hospitals). quite frankly, many of you are quite annoying and easy to poke fun at.
regardless, belief in Allah or Yaweh are equally foolish in our eyes. we don’t “go after” Hindus but belief in their Gods is foolish as well. actually, that is something that Christians and Atheists have in common!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:35pmYo Bruce:
Can we have a saints day at the devils … I want one, and I want it know , right now, RIGHT NOW !, why don’t you include ME, I want to feel included, I’m tellin …
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:27pmYo Phillyatheists:
Maybe someday those 17 churches will be mosques , wonder what the hood would be like then? You would also have the opportunity to tell them to go lickin, or in your case invite them in to indulge … nothing like being neighborly.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:48pmAtheists are fighting Shariah you rube!
Report Post »garylee123
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 1:21pmBruce……being an atheist is easy, having faith is hard and is meant to be. So you, sir, are the coward.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:07amHow in the world GOD could or would ever forgive AMERICA is beyond me.
We will NOT support this no-balls team at all, ever.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:14amright? when will this God of yours unleash his power? what’s He waiting for? he’s been asleep at the wheel for 2000 years. time to give you Believers a sign – something other than appearing on toast, perhaps.
Report Post »DayoftheRope
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:53amall will be called to account for their sins…
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:01pmPhilly: can I hope He is waiting to unleash on you or would that only give you the opportunity to unleash more of your “unChristian” Alinsky/ Lefty trash talk !?? I don‘t have trouble honoring an unbelievers’ right to not believe. But I do have trouble with homing a smug, arrogant , rude little ill-raised jerk having fun taunting people who share views that are different from his. The shoe fits, dude. Life will teach you the humility you have failed to achieve. Don’t need to worry about God teaching you anything !
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:13pm“But I do have trouble with homing a smug, arrogant , rude little ill-raised jerk having fun taunting people who share views that are different from his.”
you see, BARBER, your attack would be valid were is responding to someone stating an innocent belief. what i was responding to was an idiotic comment about God not forgiving America. that type of insidious comment brings out the smug, arrogant, rude, non-believer in me.
i have no problem with people who have different views than me. i do have a problem with people who claim to know what God thinks and then makes horrible claims about the consequences. it’s scary behavior that deserves ridicule.
“I distrust those who know so well what God wants because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”
Report Post »–Susan B. Anthony
AvengerK
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:26pmIf you want magic tricks PHILLATHEIST..go catch David Copperfiled in Vegas. God’s not in the “I demand a magic trick” business..especially for non-events like you. God’s in the forgiveness and redemption business…that’s what his son took care of 2000 years ago. God did his part, we have to do ours. We don’t demand magic tricks from him like you do..savvy?
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:26pmPhilly- He let Obama become president. We’re screwed up economically. It‘s seems that he’s doing it now.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:39pmBarber is just a coward that has a problem replying when you show him proof after he calls you a liar. You posted that you were waiting for my proof on RNC corruption and all that, I gave it to you and you slunk into the shadows. Pathetic. You can however go back and reply: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/romney-slams-dishonest-obama-attacks-says-the-president-needs-to-reign-in-his-team/comment-page-2/?corder=desc#comments
Report Post »Angry is right calling you a lying pric#.
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:35pmDESTECHT – so if/when the economy improves, then God is no longer mad at America? good news then, the stock market is near all time highs, and the housing market is coming back. if you don’t believe me (evil Atheist spreading lies) look it up. home builder stocks are up 60% YTD. corporate profits are at all time high vs. GDP, and companies are sitting on a mountain of cash ($2 trillion) waiting to spend. things may get better soon enough.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:13pmWestCoast: you still calling me the same juvenile names from two days ago? Must have really hit a cord. I picture you and Angry sitting in the same basement . Swapping storied of your so-called military exploits. I am not responding to your so-called “proofs of GOP corruption” because I am tired of the Far Left lies and distractions that emanate from all of you co-called Paul people. Corruption discussions from a Lefty ? rather like the old pot calling the kettle black routine ( oops, hope that wasn’t one of those “racist” comments that enrage you ) Some things are best ignored. You guys fall into that category.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:05pmBarber, No, you just do not want to know the truth. You lefty Republicans just want to hide your heads in the sand, kick the can down the road to the future generations of your family without any regard to them. Selfishness.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 5:22pm@ Philly- 2 of your comments I have seen before. Let’s tackle the first one, why won’t God show a sign? Well this argument was made almost 2,000 yrs ago as well… “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” (2 Pet. 3:4) Even the Pharisees wanted a sign (Mark 8:11-12) and though Jesus did many signs some people still didn’t believe (John 12:37). So even if a miraculous sign (i.e. raising one from the dead, a paraplegic healed and walking on his own) was done in front of your eyes you probably still wouldn’t believe.
Second comment was about those who know what God thinks, while I certainly can tell you I do not know exactly what He thinks I can tell you what His will is. Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is (Ephesians 5:17). God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Pet. 3:9). God’s will for mankind is for us to be saved. Some will hear it, some will not. Yes there are many different thoughts on how do you go about that and honestly the only way you‘ll find salvation is through God’s word, not man’s. That‘s why there’s so many denominations today is because they all sought to teach doctrines of men and not God’s truth. I hope you’ll do some study on it and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Report Post »Terry1242
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 7:30pmPhilly atheist: he’s already unleashing His power. You just don’t see it. The whirlwind is already upon us.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:17pmYo Phillyatheist:
Just because times are good doesn’t mean times are good …. ask the fish about the worm on the hook … or rich men that die without God.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:38pmHistory shows us that all of the great nations of the world have never lived much more than 200 years (except the Roman empire), and there has been sequential stages in every case.
The first stage moves from bondage to spiritual faith. The second from spiritual faith to great courage. The third stage moves from great courage to liberty. The fourth stage moves from liberty to abundance. The fifth stage moves from abundance to selfishness. The sixth stage moves from selfishness to complacency. The seventh stage moves from complacency to apathy. The eighth stage moves from apathy to moral decay. The ninth stage moves from moral decay to dependence. And the tenth and last stage moves from dependence to bondage.
Just thought I would add a little historic observations to the conversation. Wonder where most would say we are at on this scale?
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:53pm@Sleazy You are right history doesn’t lie and we humans keep doing the same thing over and over and over and over again and always will.. Intelligent designer not so intelligent!
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:45am@ CESIUM…..Intelligent designer very intelligent, man on the other hand, not so much. That’s what happens when you rebel against the truth and knowledge of your creator. Kind of like jumping off of a building. You can say you don’t believe in gravity but the physical laws act upon your decision regardless. In the same manner, the moral law established by that Creator acts upon our foolish decisions whether you believe in them or not. Logically then, this does not implicate the designer’s intelligence in anyway, far from it it actually substantiates the existence of an intelligent Creator therein because it is what is taught in that Designers word will happen when He and His truth are abandon for another “wisdom”….Thanks ahead….Remember observation of pattern is a foundation of science and science is the attempt at explanation for observations.
Report Post »SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 7:46amBTW going on vacation for a few days so if I don’t reply you will know why….thanks ahead have a good week….
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 8:50amthanks for the insight SCAREBEAR.
Report Post »GeorgeWashingtonslept here
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:03amThey “aint” worth a crap………………so now it’s correct!
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:03amAtheism meets the criteria of a religion.
Report Post »So, if the Saints wish to honor the Atheist Godless religion, it is their choice.
One wonders, though, why they chose one religion over the other. Will they have a Baptist day?
Or maybe a Catholic day? How about an Episcopalian day? Better yet, how about an Assembly of God day?
tothepoint
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:08amMaybe a Hindu day.
Report Post »Maybe an Islam day.
Maybe an Amish day.
Maybe a (fill in the blank)
AnimalsAsLeaders
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:38amAtheism is a religion as much as not smoking is an addiction.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:30pmLet’s see- they have a shared set of beliefs, (there is no God, the only thing real is what can be seen in the natural world) they have their creation story, they have their idea of sin, (Believing in God, being hard on the earth) and a lot of them are evangelists. (Like Philly!)
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:52pmTOTHEPOINT — you obviously did not read the article…
“Sharrer told the Associated Press the team has hosted Christian concerts and a Jewish heritage night and that it would be “hypocritical” to tell the atheists no.”
Report Post »Copo
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 11:51amAtheism is a belief system and it is based on faith. People with no beliefs are people who don’t care whether or not there is a God. Honestly I think that the change in name is somewhat ridiculous, I don‘t go to a Devils game expecting that they will change there name because I don’t care about the name. This is just a gimmick to get people mad, it shouldn’t have even made the local news.
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:57amAtheists may not believe in God but they sure do have a problem with the shadow that “nothing” casts. curiouser and curiouser
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:56pmIt is not god we have a problem with. It is his followers.
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:56amThese folks are all about fun, I guess. That this sort of promotion is allowed to go forward without much shock by the public is a good example of where we are as a country today. Anything and everything must be given its due attention or cries of intolerance will ring out. Can you imagine what the public reaction would have been to this promotion in 1955?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:04amprogress is a beautiful thing. can you imagine the reaction to an event like this in the Dark Ages? would you prefer we go back to those good old days?
booger71
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:09amI would prefer to go back to pre 1913, the good ole days of no income taxes, no federal reserve, and small government.
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:25amAlso before “one nation under god”
Report Post »cgnick
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:04pmAlso before our money had the words “in god we trust” printed on it.
Report Post »Copo
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 11:55am@Phillyatheist Back when the Bible was banned. Those were some dark days indeed, if it wasn‘t for the Protestant Reformation we’d still be living in them.
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:52amJust another reason why pro sports is slipping off my agenda. Too bad they don’t pay as much attention to their illegal drug use and stoooopid acts off the field.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:51amIf I were a player on that team I’d refuse to show for the game and likewise if I were a fan. I refuse to help the atheists spread their message.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:06amSadly, these low level minor league players don’t have a choice, and have to participate in many bone headed marketing schemes the owners come up with. All they want to do is make it to the big leagues, and rocking the boat will not help them.
Report Post »MBA
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:50amThere’s a boneheaded move–it’s ok to offend Christians but not atheists? How many Christians do you suppose used to buy tickets to the games? They’re going to find out.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:53pmHere is yet another person who obviously did not read the article…
“Sharrer told the Associated Press the team has hosted Christian concerts and a Jewish heritage night and that it would be “hypocritical” to tell the atheists no.”
Report Post »Dan
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:49amNot only would I not attend that game but I would not support that team ever again. It’s a shame that the franchise caved the way it did.
Dan
Report Post »DrunkGOP_Hack
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:43amgood luck with that.
God will be there regardless, however, you are cutting off your nice to spite your face.
Pandering to the lowest common denominator!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:56amif God is there will he have a rooting interest? what if the Aints win? no respectable God would allow this. plus, i‘m sure He’ll smite the evil ballplayers for going along with this nefarious event, right?
Report Post »MeteoricLimbo
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:11am@phillyatheist
Report Post »Lest we forget that the forces of evil are at work too. You simply cant have a positive without a negative so thank you for your input, and God bless you
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:19amso God isn’t powerful enough to defeat evil? didn’t he create evil in the first place? God is all powerful, except when he isn’t. gotcha. thanks for the blessing though.
Report Post »destrecht
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:32pmPhilly- have you ever heard of Free Will? He allows people like you because forced love isn’t love.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:28pmDESTRECHT – if forced love is not love, then what are the options?
1. believe and go to heaven
2. disbelieve and go to hell (eternal torment)
since those are (according to theists) my only two options, it seems like He is trying to force my hand. God seems like a dictator in this scenario.
Report Post »thibx
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:35ami would like to see your spirit 5 sec. after you die. don’t want to see you now.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:35amSo they expect a bunch of fat, Xbox playin’, losers to get off their mom’s couch and go to a minor league baseball game? Good luck with that LOL.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:43ambeats going to church. in all my years of church going i never caught a foul bible. i did get hit with some holy water but it wasn’t very refreshing.
Gonzo
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:51amDid it burn Philly?
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:59amGONZO – no, but the incense kinda burns my nose. does that count?
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:33amonly in obama’s version of a fecal-minded communist-ridden America.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:57pm…is inclusiveness and freedom of religion allowed.
Shows how much you hate the Constitution and liberty.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:32amSo now atheists want promote how *fun* they are and the people with the St. Paul Saints fell for it. The players and fans should stay home because they ain’t got to go along with the plan.
Report Post »spirited
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:28amHow much money would be lost due to athiests’ low attendance & interest in the St. Paul Sants?
“Mr”: Ain’t that sexist? -lol
“Aints”: That ain’t GOOD (lol) grammer.
“Mr. Aints”: Now, that be really positive!
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:25am“I think our message here and our brand of entertainment has always been one that’s been inclusive,” Saints general manager Derek Sharrer told Fox Sports North.”
Yes, ma’am, Missy Sharrer, I can hardly wait to see your team take the field in drag as the Mdm. Paul Child Molesters. Now THAT’S pretty inclusive, dontcha think Ms. Sharrer?
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:58pmWOODYE — you bigoted twit. Atheism is not the same thing as child molestation.
Go to church or madrassas if you want to find child molesters.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:24amToo bad the atheists didn‘t just pick a section of highway to clean up BUT that wouldn’t get them all of the media / party / mockery fun that they seek. The young in America are infested with the Look At Me /virus. Guess the old 15 minutes of fame has been giant-sized by the Good Job Generation. Unfortunately, what happened when the older tenet that “ children should be seen and not heard” was abandoned . Wonder to which charity they will donate …..
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:31amwhat does this event have to do with the young people of America? take your ADHD meds and stay on topic.
woodyee
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:41am@Philly – You really believe this event, a baseball game, has nothing to do with kids? Wearing your religion on your sleeve (or in this case, your “name”) and then posting anti-religious/atheistic pablum yet expecting not tp be treated as a hypocritical troll is ignorance, but thinking that this BASEBALL event has nothing to do with children is stupidity.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:44amWOOD – i’m sorry, but i didn’t know that only children go to baseball games. i‘ve been to lots of minor league games and it’s a mixed bag.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:47am“yet expecting not tp be treated as a hypocritical troll is ignorance”
how do you know what i am expecting? do you think that i am unaware that my position at the Blaze is counter cultural? that‘s why i’m here, dum@ss.
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:58am@ Philly
Well! You confirm the accuracy of my charges – that’s half your battle, young lady. The other half is for you to practice not being such a smug puss…sort of difficult for your type, but look at the bright side…
…oh…you can’t…
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:05amNotice the ridicule coming your way from an atheist for having an opinion.
Report Post »Atheists are permitted their Godless Religion but they should also respect the opinions of others.
By the way, they fight the truth that they are a religion but they are a religion.
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:06am“The other half is for you to practice not being such a smug puss”
i’m under no such obligation. oh, and i’m a 38 year old man, fyi.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:15amSt Paul Saints are an independent org not in any way shape or form affiliated with MLB. Their roster is loaded with degenerate players & coaches that no one wants. In other words they are problem children still trying to make it to the majors for the most part
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul_Saints
PHILLY, you‘re not going to change anyone’s mind here with your theory…just go away
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:24am“just go away”
no, i think i’ll stick around for a while and poke fun at stupid comments that Believers make.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:23amplay ball!!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:26amStiiie -rike one ……
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:30amplay ball
Report Post »where did the wood come from to make the bat????
to those who would find fault,
AINT going to the game…
woodyee
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:34amSteeeerike Two!
Report Post »The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:21amThe wood came from the same place you did, using evolution. You should read about the advancements in genetics…it is truly amazing and beautiful where we really came from. A lot more beautiful than a book written by bronze age warring tribes.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:40am@doors
Report Post »tkx for the candid response, but it still falls short in the ‘origin’ department. Takes way more faith for you to believe that a tornado ran through a junkyard, and lo and behold, a 747 appeared. Get the point? The problem with evolution (among myriads); it does not addresss the ‘beginning’ of anything, just speculation. I have an answer for both the tornado and the 747, ie, God-creation.
Its much easier to believe there is One greater than man. By the way, as far as the atheism thing goes, you really do not ‘disbelieve.‘ ’The fool says IN HIS HEART, there is no GOd,’ its not a matter of belief, but denial. Many a fool (including myself) had the scales lifted from the eyes.
The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:38pmThe tornado in a junkyard making a 747 claim just shows how little you know about how evolution works. You should pick up some evolution books, rather than just reading books that perpetuate your stagnant unknowing of the actual processes.
True, it doesn’t explain how life started but that honestly has nothing to do with evolution. I hope in the future, maybe not mine, they will now how it started. They are getting damns close.
Fortunately, now you don’t even need one single fossil to prove evolution. Even though every fossil found never, let me repeat that, never has gone against the theory of evolution we don’t need them. Not with genetics. Like I said, just read about genetics, its beautiful, every living thing is related in a gigantic family tree. Our closest living relative is chimpanzees and bonobos. We are actually more closely related to chimpanzees than horses are to donkeys…and they can actually breed so draw your own conclusions there.
Just a book for suggestion…Language of God by Francis Collins. He is a Christian and the head of the Human Genome Project. They have mapped the entire human genome. He has a chapter in there about believing evolution. In order for your beliefs to stay relevant you must start recognizing the overwhelming evidence for evolution.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 12:57pmdoors-
dont assume that believers are unlearned…
I AM familiar with collins work and you would be happy to know, he is in the elite company of ‘theistic evolutionists’ (surely u knew that already) and that I happily disagree with him -solely beacause he disagrees with God. He found value in Darwin, so what?
If he cannot get the basics correct, he is not on my team; ie; he stated that ‘it was impossible in the gene pool for man to evolve from a set of single parents, Adam and Eve,’ so if he errs here in the most simplest of form, his further arguments also crumble.
God SAYS all life sprang from a man named Adam, and EVe, whom He named, and by the way, he coined the term male and female…Where does your evolution say HOW men and women were named???????????????????
Report Post »I’ll take God, you can have the alleged learning of a so called believer.
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 1:49pmJOHN – did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? just curious.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:06pmJONVINCENT — “dont assume that believers are unlearned…”
No one is assuming. You are demonstrating you are unlearned.
Especially when you make statements like this: “God SAYS all life sprang from a man named Adam, and EVe, whom He named, and by the way, he coined the term male and female…Where does your evolution say HOW men and women were named???????????????????”
Origin:
1300–50; Middle English < Middle French ma ( s ) le < Latin masculus. See masculine
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/male?s=t&ld=1086
Origin:
1275–1325; Middle English, variant (by association with male) of femelle < Anglo-French, Old French femel ( l ) e < Latin fēmella, diminutive of fēmina woman ( see -elle); in VL developing the sense “female of an animal”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/female?s=t
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:10pmhey phil
Report Post »just taking a cue from what you said earlier: ‘just hanging around to poke fun at stupid comments….’
I’ll not then fall into your trap by answering your question. Feel free to comment on HOW male and female were so NAMED. Answer this correctly, and you may go to the next round.
john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:15pmBruce
Report Post »sorry, wrong answer.
would you like to try geography for $200?
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:20pmJOHN – you need to ask a question then. i’d love to move on to the bonus round, so please ask away.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 2:57pmphilly
Report Post »here’s your question
u have exactly 3 seconds to execute these 3 tasks:
-present a rainbow over Orville Ohio
-orchestrate a hailstorm in Tampa FL, ranging in sizes of 1/4 inch to golf ball
-allow Aurora Borealis to be seen for 1900 miles
ok, how do you do it?
phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:07pmi’m starting to think that JOHN is mentally handicapped. honestly, i have no idea what you’re getting at.
Report Post »john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 3:20pmPhil the a t h e i s t
Report Post »your reply answered the question,
thank you
4truth2all
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 4:30pmYo Philly:
It’s a pullover …
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 8:50pmYo Doors:
I do believe the genome of the mouse and humans has more simularities than that of the chimp and humans … also your guys like to label some of it “junk” (DNA) when this “junk” is taken into consideration the simularities drop substancially … all you have is fools gold and a lying/deceived exchanger. If you listen to evolutionists you NEVER get the whole story … I read their stuff …
Report Post »The idea of the plane and the junkyard is valid and points to the impossibilities of the complexities of life beginning by shear chance with no intent of purpose or reason. The fact that you realize that the plane cannot possibly be assembled should wake you to your own false belief. Instead you invalidate it due to preconceived ideas that are unwilling to allow anything else in.
You always like to tell of the simularities but ignore the vast, immense, humungus difference .1% makes let alone 1% or 2% or 10%, but then again you must do that, you are a slave to it, Though is does not have to be such. As far as the christianity of Collins …. maybe … just cause he was part of the genome project and a very intelligent man does not equate to great faith.
john vincent
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:12pm4truth
Report Post »well said
The_Doors_Of_Perception
Posted on July 19, 2012 at 10:21amWe are not…we do have an ancestor to the mouse but that ancestor is further away than the one we share with the chimpanzee. Again, we are not talking about the origin of life just how life evolved. So again a tornado in a junkyard to show why evolution is false only reveals how little you know about evolution. That is all I can say other than put down the left behind series and pick up a science book.
@JohnVincent
Francis Collins is not disagreeing with God. He has just seen the proof. It wasn’t written in a book 2,000 years ago by bronze age people who didn’t have a microscope. He saw it for himself and we can see it now. I guess when the Greeks found out what lightning was they were disagreeing with Zues? Unfortunately, the discussion ends here and faith takes over. When you are presented with mountains of real time evidence…here and now…your faith takes over and you decide to believe things that have no evidence. What could we continue to talk about? You have the human genome research in your hands(evidence), and you still choose to believe in talking snakes(no evidence). You live in your own world and your faith makes the rules.
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:22amChristian and catholics should drop their season tickets and boycott the Mr Paul aints for the next the rest of this season and next season. SEND A MESSAGE
Report Post »woodyee
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:27amObammy’s minions will pack buses full of PUBLIC union and welfare trolls for this one!
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:29amJOHN, i can just feel the love flowing from you. it’s like and endless wave of tolerance, compassion, empathy, and holiness.
Report Post »DrunkGOP_Hack
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:49amPhilly – how can you feel? You don’t believe in a God or higher power, so you don’t know, Love, Compassion, Kindness, Joy!
You have to have a heart to believe and you sir are heartless.
I will pray that God will come to some time and you can awake.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 11:03amDRUNK – you are too funny. pray away, it matters not to me. just one question – how can i be alive and typing if i don’t have a heart?
also, tell that to my mother, my wife, and my friends. somehow i manage to love without the belief in some deity. i know it’s hard for you to imagine, but perhaps you could try. you should pray for yourself, not me.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:22amGive ground for even an instant to cator to the enemies of God; and you are giving validity to their methods of intimidation.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:22amI think it would be REALLY fun to not go that night. Now that is family fun, stay home and play a board game or cards.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 18, 2012 at 10:27amHopefully the stands that night “ain’t” got no butts in the seats….
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