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More Evidence That a Mysterious Jewish Sect May Have Authored the Dead Sea Scrolls

New Evidence Says Dead Sea Scrolls May Have Been Written By Essenes

Researchers may be moving closer to solving the greatest mystery surrounding the Dead Sea Scrolls: Who authored the influential, religious texts? Now, some experts claim to have an answer, as LiveScience is reporting that the scrolls may have been written, at least partially, by a Jewish sect known as the “Essenes.”

Researchers are basing this hypothesis, which has been posed by others in the past, on nearly 200 textiles (clothes) that were discovered in caves in Qumran (West Bank) and recently analyzed. This is also the location where the scrolls were originally unearthed back in 1947. By examining the cloths’ composition and design, some believe the writings may be traceable back to this mysterious Jewish sect.

The Essenes, who developed their identity two centuries before the Christian era, purportedly broke away from traditional Judaism over a dispute surrounding who was most qualified to become a high priest. In About.com’s religion guide, the group is described as follows:

The Essenes preferred to live in the wilderness, cutting themselves off from the impure and purifying themselves for the future. Their wilderness community may have been very similar to that established by Christian monks. The Essenes are believed to have founded a small community in Qumran, just off the northwest coast of the Dead Sea. This may have been their primary location, but it isn’t certain.

New Evidence Says Dead Sea Scrolls May Have Been Written By Essenes

See, the belief is that the Essenes were potentially living in Qumran and that they were inevitably responsible for writing the Dead Sea Scrolls. Subsequently, some researchers contend that they then stored them in caves in the area.

The textiles that were found at this location were made of linen rather than wool. While this may seem like a minor detail, a basic understanding of the materials used in Israel 2,000 years ago helps build the Essenes authorship case. According to researchers, wool was the most popular fabric at the time in Israel.

If fabric that wasn’t popular in Israel was used to pen the scrolls, it would seem that they came from individuals who were part of another community or culture. Considering the Essenes past history — particularly the group’s split from traditional Jews — perhaps their preferred fabric was linen.

Additionally, the textiles lack decoration and coloration, as some appear to have been bleached white. These findings, some say, also suggest that the ancient Jewish sect was behind some of the scrolls.

Researchers claim that the Essenes wanted to be different from the Roman world in that they didn’t want colorful clothing. “They were very humble,” explained Orit Shamir, curator of organic materials at the Israel Antiquities Authority.

The textiles, researchers say, would have originally been used for clothing, but would have later been cut apart and used for other purposes. This, of course, would explain the reason why they were allegedly bleached.

But, of course, not everyone is buying into this interpretation. One archaeologist who has worked at Qumran told LiveScience that the linen could have come from people trying to escape the Roman army after Jerusalem fell in A.D. 70. LiveScience has more:

Qumran itself was first excavated by Roland de Vaux in the 1950s. He came to the conclusion that the site was inhabited by a religious sect called the Essenes who wrote the scrolls and stored them in caves. Among the finds he made were water pools, which he believed were used for ritual bathing, and multiple inkwells found in a room that became known as the “scriptorium.” [...]

More recent archaeological work, conducted by Yitzhak Magen and Yuval Peleg of the Israel Antiquities Authority, suggests that the site could not have supported more than a few dozen people and had nothing to do with the scrolls themselves. They believe that the scrolls were deposited in the caves by refugees fleeing the Roman army after Jerusalem was conquered in A.D. 70.

Regardless of how they reached the caves in Qumran, the scrolls remain influential nearly two thousand years after they were written. They consist of 900 texts, dating back to A.D. 70 (with some going back as early as the third century B.C.). They include hymns, calendars, psalms and early copies of the Hebrew Bible.

In September, the Blaze reported on an innovative new collaboration between Google and the Israel Museum that led to the publication of the scrolls online.

(H/T: LiveScience)

 

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  • machgun
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:59pm

    I know nothing of Kabbalah but as far as Jesus never claiming Devinity thats a lie. “I tell you before Abraham I Am. Remember God aswered Moses when he said whom shall I say the name of there God who sent me and God said I AM

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 4:32pm

      The scripture you refer to is Exodus 3:14
      In the KJV God refers to himself as “I AM THAT I AM”.
      In other Bible translations it is different, for example in the NWT it is “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE”. This is to indicate the True God will do whatever he has to do, to prove himself to be the Almighty God in the eyes of the Pharaoh.

      Later in Exodus 6:3 we see this; And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. – KJV

      So God’s name is not “I AM”, it is a description of His power and ability, His determination to accomplish whatever needs to be done.

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    • mils
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 6:48pm

      so you believe Jesus is also God?

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 7:17pm

      mils,

      In answer to your question, No.

      Jehovah is the Almighty God, Creator, and the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
      Jesus is the Son of God, our Ransomer and appointed King of God’s Kingdom.

      There is no way (scripturally) that they are the same, just as you are not the same individual as your father. Referring to Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:13-20 says;
      13 He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 8:05pm

      @ Bearfoot:
      What you said doesn’t seem accurate. God said “I AM WHO I AM” at the beginning of the passage in Exodus. Then at the end of the passage He identified Himself strictly as I AM.

      Here is the passage: “And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

      All translations I looked at have the passage ending with God identifying Himself as I AM. When Jesus identified Himself in John 8:58, He said the following:

      “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

      He was clearly identifying with the last part of the Exodus passage, not the first part.

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 8:47pm

      marjorie faye,

      It is a good practice to see how various translations treat these scriptures.

      Marjorie, if I say “I AM”, does that prove I am God? Of course not, all I am saying is I am, I exist, or I have been. You see, in attempting to validate the Trinity Doctrine, many try to to make Jesus to be GOD. But Jesus always referred to himself as The SON and he was sent by God his Father. – John 17:3

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 12:02am

      @ Bearfoot
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 8:47pm

      marjorie faye,

      It is a good practice to see how various translations treat these scriptures.

      Marjorie, if I say “I AM”, does that prove I am God? Of course not, all I am saying is I am, I exist, or I have been. You see, in attempting to validate the Trinity Doctrine, many try to to make Jesus to be GOD. But Jesus always referred to himself as The SON and he was sent by God his Father. – John 17:3
      —————————————————————————————————————————————–
      John 14:8-11

      Philip said to Jesus, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.”
      Jesus answered, “Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. The person that has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you truly believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done.”

      Jesus is the Word of the Triune God. In creation the Spirit of the Lord moved on the face of the deep, and HE SAID, Let there be light…………..The Word is the physical essence of the Spirits Wisdom, and the completion of all things of God.

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    • louise
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 7:29am

      10Amendment: Excellent
      In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelled among men. John1:1

      “If you see Me, you see the Father” ~Jesus

      ” And his name shall be called Emmanuel, which means, God is with us”

      There is a difference between a title and a name. God has many titles but one One Name. One name because God has One Nature. Name=Nature. The “Titles” of God help us to understand his nature.

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    • louise
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 7:33am

      10th Admendment,
      I would like to share also that since God has One Nature and thus One Name, why is it that the churches of men divide Him into three?

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 10:38am

      @THE10THAMENDMENT…………..John 17: 20 – 23 “I make a request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, just as you Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, that the world may have the knowledge that you sent me forth and that you loved them just as you loved me.

      Does this mean they are all one ? or of the same thought same mind , the same page so to speak.
      Jesus is praying to the Father here in John 17. Is he praying to himself ? NO

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 10:39am

      To All.. KADAMS wrote Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:41pm
      You never know…. Wescott and Hort, who translated the Sinaiticus(sp) and the Vaticanus(sp),(2 early versions of the bible) were high-level occultists. All modern day versions stem from these translations, except the KJV. The KJV (not the ‘new’ KJV; they are trying to trick you) is the only Bible that is translated from the Byzantine texts, which ultimately came from Antioch, the first place people were called ‘christian’ after the death and resurrection of Christ. K was right. http://www.remnantreport.com/cgi-bin/imcart/read.cgi?article_id=7&sub=22
      Look out for the New World Translation (NWT) their was only one man who had a gommer of how to translate Koine Greek and in Seminaries I believe four semesters are needed..this guy only had 2 hours..
      http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/bible-questions/answer01046-how-accurate-is-the-new-world-translation.html

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 11:03am

      Sorry about typing “their” in place of “there” and “gome”r in place of “glimmer”…still not awake…but I also wanted to point out that the site I gave you for which bibles to use…The KJV and the NKJV according to this website are translated from the original text..and just so you know…the New World Translation NWT is what Jehovah’s Witnesses use..

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 11:30am

      Ashes and 10th,

      Well since you are prejudiced against the NWT, why not read it from the KJV;
      Colossians 1:13-20

      King James Version (KJV)

      13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

      14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

      15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

      16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

      17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

      18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

      19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;

      20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 11:53am

      Bearfoot…I am only stating facts..The reason that I started researching the NWT is because there was someone trying to proselytise me last week. I found a lot of what he said was innaccurate and he told me that he studied the most accurate translation which he believed to be the NWT..and so began my mission to discover more about the NWT….I was not impressed.. it has been changed discreetly to fit an agenda.. I think the world of the JW’s that I know and I admire their tenacity in witnessing and they are absolutely some of the best people I know.(I have a wonderful cousin whom I‘ve never met in person who’s a JW ) I don’t know that changing the original texts will get you in trouble with God..I do not judge…although I know that the witnesses think that they are the only ones who will inherit the earth.. but I leave all the judging to Jesus and I would prefer learning from the closest to original texts.. the KJV and the NKJV.. the changes in the NWT are suttle…but definitive…definitely their own agenda. Like I said Bearfoot…I love the Jehavah’s Witnesses..but I cannot in good conscience follow what they teach.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 12:12pm

      In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was WOTH God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without HIM was not anything made that was made. In Him was LIFE, and the Life was the LIGHT of men, and the LIGHT shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John,the same came for a WITNESS, to bear witness of the Light, so that all men might believe through Him. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the TRUE LIGHT which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. HE was in the world, and the world was MADE THROUGH HIM, and the world knew Him not. HE came unto HIS OWN, and HIS OWN received Him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to those who believe ON His name. Which were born, not by blood, but by the will of the flesh, but of God. And the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory AS OF the only begotten of the Father, full of Grace and Truth.

      The bed rock who HE was that created all things. Who was the Lord. Read Proverbs 8 in Wisdom’s delights.

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8&version=KJV

      To solidify the testimony, turn to Isaiah 9 verse 6.

      http://bible.cc/isaiah/9-6.htm

      Then reconsider what Jesus said to Philip.

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 12:25pm

      Ashestoashes,

      Fair enough, I appreciate your reply.
      I once expressed what you said as I had no faith in any Bible other the the KJV. So in my studies I said “I only want to use my KJV”. And that is what I did. During the course of study I was encouraged to look up all the scriptures being discussed in various Bibles, to see how the wording varied. The differences were minor but they all came to the same conclusion especially when considering the context of what the subject was. The wording of John 1:1 is different in many translations and to hang your hat on just the KJV is a mistake in my view. You see, John 1:1 has to coordinate with the context of all other descriptions of our Lord Jesus such as John 1:14 and 18.
      John 1:1 in the KJV should not trump all the other verses explaining who Jesus is.

      Anyway, as I compared all Bibles, I found the NWT to be very accurate and easy to read in its modern english. I still carry my KJV, and use it when necessary in my door to door ministry.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 6:23pm

      Hey Tenth…just want you to know that I always enjoy your posts and I greatly admire your intelligence..and your knowledge..It is good to know that a man with your mind is so well versed in scripture and has such a devout faith.. thank you for sharing that with us..

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 7:16pm

      @BEARFOOT These are some things to ponder..I do wish you would go to that website that I provided so that you can see how the NWT was changed.. I know your haeart is in the right place
      •If God’s battle of Armageddon where to occur tonight, do you know for sure you will survive?
      •At what point in your religion are you assured of eternal life? Are you saved after “taking in knowledge” of all of God’s requirements? After joining the Watchtower organization and trying to “endure to the end”? At what point do you have assurance?
      •If you survive Armageddon into God’s new system, are you guaranteed eternal life at that point or must you continue to strive to prove faithful through the 1000-year reign of Christ? At what point can you be sure you will not do something that will cause you to be destroyed?
      •If Jesus died for all of our sins, what sin can we commit that will cause us to lose the eternal life He gives (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24)? If there is nothing we can do to earn eternal life, how can anything we do cause us to lose it (Ephesians 2:8-9)? Do you have eternal life right now (John 5:24; 6:47)? If eternal life is eternal, how can one lose it (John 10:28-29

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    • Bearfoot
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 8:28pm

      ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 7:16pm
      @BEARFOOT These are some things to ponder

      Do you really expect me to answer all those questions here on the Blaze?
      Why don’t you answer them yourself and I will listen to you.
      If you want to have a honest discussion fine, but I perceive a confrontational motive in your questionings and I will not participate in that kind of futile exercise.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 9:00pm

      @BEARFOOT Do I expect for you to answer those questions…here on the Blaze.?..No dear Bearfoot…I just thought it might be something for you to ponder..as I understand… Jehovahs do not believe that they have received and are sealed by the Holy Spirit. As I asked you to review how the NWT was changed…why don’t you just go by the KJV and the NKJV… all other texts have come from babylonian texts..and as for the NWT..why would you use a translation by a man who only had 2 hrs in Koin Greek and who changed the Word to fit his agenda? I realize that it’s hard to find a fit outside of an organization..but I look for a Spirit led church.. and I don’t believe that the Witnesses are Spirit led. No offense Bearfoot…I know you were on the other side…I have attended the meetings where they say that creed which I fould unbelievable.
      But here is a website that offers Biblical proof that Jesus and Michael the Archangel are not one in the same. It states and counters JW’s beliefs with scripture..Do you choose to believe something because you find a home there and find it comfortable.?.or do you seek the truth?…I seek the truth Bearfoot…but to each their own.. and again..no offense…just something to ponder.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 9:04pm

      Sorry BEARFOOT here’s that link….nothing confrontational just scripture.
      http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/incredjw.htm

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    • Arfmoogle
      Posted on November 27, 2011 at 1:51am

      It absolutely cracks me up how Christians are willing to go to war over words or phrases that aren’t even in the Bible. I choose to describe my beliefs using scripture only, not phrases that never appear even once in scripture, like “divinity of Christ,” and so on. Jesus said the following, “ESV John 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?”

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  • Arcangel Michael
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:00pm

    Jesus, I trust in You

    http://thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/chaplethistory.php

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AySdEJx50Z0&feature=related

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  • stealthman
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:04pm

    The Essene (tzenu’im or modest ones) theory is an old theory. There is nothing new here. I was hoping for a radically different theory than what has been suggested before. Vendyl Jones who was a regular archaeologist at Qumran had more credibility than all these theorists. He actually found great archaeological objects. He found the anointing oil for priests and kings of Israel. He found the incense also at Qumran. He found all these things using the copper scroll which was the most famous scroll found at Qumran besides the Isaiah scroll. He used this scroll and other ancient texts to find the above mentioned treasures from the two Temples. In addition to his Temple finds he found the ancient site of Gilgal next to the Jordan River and he found the place where King David’s good friend touched the Ark of the Covenant and died on the spot in the Book of Samuel. I knew Vendyl personally, and he was a truly colorful and upright human being. And he is sorely missed.

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  • by faith
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:04pm

    Unix
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:34am
    RFY, brainwashed? Really? Good for you, you are the master of the universe and know all things. Does it not give one pause at all, to think outside the box? Let me ask you this. If you feel the Bible is a book of fiction, as it was created in 323 AD by Constantine.

    Sorry to bring up facts, but: Timeline of how the Bible came to us
    AD 51-125 – The New Testament books are written.
    AD 140 Marcion, a businessman in Rome, taught that there were two Gods: Yahweh, the cruel God of the Old Testament, and Abba, the kind father of the New Testament. Marcion eliminated the Old Testament as scriptures and, since he was anti-Semitic, kept from the New Testament only 10 letters of Paul and 2/3 of Luke’s gospel (he deleted references to Jesus’s Jewishness). Marcion’s “New Testament”, the first to be compiled, forced the mainstream Church to decide on a core canon: the four Gospels and Letters of Paul. AD 367 The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39.
    AD 382 Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the New Testament books in their present number and order.

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  • A Conservatarian
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:43pm

    This is not news. :) Jesus was an Essene. Cognomens anyone? Son of Man, Son of God, Teacher of Righteousness, The Tempter, The Light, Logos and maaaaaaaany more :)

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  • NILAP
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:42pm

    Hopefully we will find an original Q Gospel that should include some of the writings in the Gospel of Thomas. There was an original Gospel before Matthew Mark Luke and John. The REAL Jesus will one day be discovered not the Christ cult one created and promoted by Paul.

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  • kfalcon22000
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:50am

    What a ridiculous theory. They are basing it on what all people in Israel did, or what most people did? I see that if they had sheep, then there would be wool. However, who is to say that they lived in an area where they did not have access to wool, but rather linen. Of course, if anyone understood that the Jewish men who were given the sole responsibility of copying manuscripts of the Scriptures, they most probably would have known what kind of writing surface would be best for transcribing the words.

    I know from personal experience that if you wanted to put a resume or a wedding invitation on paper, it would be a special type of paper, rather than the general paper that you would use for not as important things.

    By the way, since when is About.com a realistic accurate source to use for something of that nature. Why wouldn’t they go to a biblical historian?

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  • Naram-Sin
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:26am

    Many people have been pushing the Essene theory ever since de Vaux read in Josephus’ writings that the Essenes lived near Ein Gedi. Never mind that Ein Gedi is quite a way from Qumran, but Josephus was wrong about other things so it ok here to ignore the things we don’t like. This is actually a common tactic used by many “scholars”. Pick one thing and rule out everything else.

    If you listen to the Essene crowd you often get the feeling that the Essenes were radically different from other Jewish groups of the time. So radical that we can rule out other groups based on a few clues and disregard all other facts to the contrary. The truth is that they weren’t all that different. Even Christians were barely distinguishable from other Jews of the time, and there are many similarities in the Dead Sea Scrolls with the early Christian movement. (You can probably rule out the Maccabees, due to the lack of Maccabean books and other things.) However, it is likely that many other groups would have favored linen as a writing material because of its importance in the books of Moses.

    One other thing might play into this. Linen is a better medium than wool. It may be just my personal preference, but try it. Linen is still commonly used by artists. Also, keep in mind our wool products are finer than what was generally availably 2000 years ago.

    I short linen is not a finger print of Essenes.

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  • right-wing-waco
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:03am

    And I thought it was Bush.

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  • Brad Wesselmann
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:34am

    The thing everybody seems to be overlooking is that in the same era the Library at Alexandria burned to the ground, and it was rumored to have just about every book of “wisdom” that man had committed to antiquity. Would it be such a stretch that the Jews AND/OR Christians/Essenes would work together to ensure the history of their people was preserved elsewhere? It could have just been a repository of information placed as an insurance policy…I’m willing to bet there are a lot more occurrences in history that can be accounted for by such mundane reasons.

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:24am

    “See, the belief is that the Essenes were potentially living in Qumran and that they were inevitably responsible for writing the Dead Sea Scrolls.”

    Has anyone been to Qumran?

    “One archaeologist who has worked at Qumran told LiveScience that the linen could have come from people trying to escape the Roman army after Jerusalem fell in A.D. 70″

    Above is more accurate…and they didn’t get to live very long after they bailed to Qumran…The Roman’s went after them…and rather than be taken by the Roman’s they killed on another…a few remained to tell the story…

    Among the people who fled were scribes…and elders who knew the word of God by memory…

    You do know that people can memorize books of the bible and repeat it word for word, eh? I have memorized one myself…

    Hard to believe, eh?

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  • IZAYAFIVE2021
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:24am

    Why were the scrolls hidden? Maybe because they realized that Jesus was the real Messiah and was crucified. Jesus predicted that not only would his Temple (his body) be raised after 3 days but also that the Temple in Jersulalem would be destroyed.

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  • TheCalvinistPastor
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:24am

    lol, I have always known this to be the case! This is nothing new.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:46am

      I had studied this a long time ago.. it is common knowledge that the Essenes..a devout sect of Israel wrote these scrolls..it seems to me that they had taken the Nazarite Vow…as the Apostle Paul had..it was said that when reading these scrolls…it was as if Jesus had been sitting in their midst….and in most probability…he was…apparently these were written by the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit..I am so thankful that there was a people…“the Israelites” who would accept the laws of God…when no one else would…Yes….I worship the same God as them..YWVH If you have known the Father..then you have known the Son. and if that makes me worship a different God that “some” Christians..then so be it…but I would be careful about saying the God of the Jews is Satan.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:05pm

      Yes. Gnosticism = Kabballah. Secret “knowledge” perpetuated down through Alexander, and is directly traced to the Jews captivity in Babylon where their original faith is married to the teaching of Mystery Babylon and the worship of the sun god and its interweaving of the fallen angels (Anunnaki – defined as alien visitation). In more modern times it is traced exactly to the Knights Templar, Scottish Knights, Free Masons.

      BEWARE DOCTRINE YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED!

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:13pm

      There are Gnostic Gosphels…which most likely do stem from Bablyoninan religions…I do not study Kabbah.. and the Talmud comes from Babylon..these are beliefs that have part of the truth but not all of the truth and are deceiving. I have only heard that the Scrolls line up with the Bible. The Israelites who know what they are doing read only the Tanak which to my understanding is the first 5 books of our Old Testament… Jesus is known as the Word come in the flesh.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:32pm

      The Babylonian Talmud replaced the Torah to Kabbalistic Jews. Very very evil text.

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    • A Conservatarian
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 4:28am

      Ashes to Ashes. Cognomens, yet again. What happens if the name for Jesus, his position in the Essene structure, was the Word (logos). Taken literally you get all of Catholicisms views on John 1:14. But, if you consider on the other hand that it’s not literal and logos is a cognomen, the passage has a different meaning.

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    • louise
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 7:44am

      The Gnostics separated matter from thought. They considered matter as evil and thought or knowledge as the ultimate for salvation. This is why they did not wan tto attribute humanity to Jesus Christ since humanity, being material, to them was evil. From this we have the Docetic heresy which believed that the body of Christ was only something that appeared material,but in reality it was not. Such a belief led to an immoral life for since the spirit was entirely separate they were not responsible for the acts of the body.
      This is why Paul in Col.2:9 stressed that in Jesus Christ, as He appeared on earth, dwelt all the fullness of God bodily. He was truly God in the flesh.

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  • sapper
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:58am

    this is a surprise? Really? Those in evangelical christian circles whom study history are well aware of the Essenes and their role in removing and hiding temple treasures prior to the Roman take over. Here is a short history lesson for ya’ll. ALL Israeli’s then and now are HEBREWS……not necessarily Jews. Jew is a term to define a person as being of the tribe of Judah. There were twelve tribes of Israel and the distinctions have been lost. The Essenes were still Hebrew and they were not mysterious nor a cult of some sort any more than were the Levites who were the priestly order of the Hebrews. This really is a non story. Seems like the author is trying to cast doubt on the scroll’s authenticity by calling the Essenes a mysterious sect like that somehow makes them suspect. Please! They are no more mysterious than Baptists are a mysterious sect of Christianity.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:36pm

      Yay, someone else who understands the difference between Jew and Hebrew, and that while all Hebrews are Jews, not all Jews are Hebrew.

      Maybe someone will wake up and realize that ‘anti-semitism’ is a horrible blanket statement, meant to single out ‘Jews’, and not semitic peoples (Hebrew, muslim, others of the Mediterranean ares). Start using ‘anti-zionism’ instead.

      Cheers!

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    • bluegrandma52
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 7:19pm

      @Kadams. you have it exactly backwards. All Jews (meaning of the tribe of Judah) are Hebrews (`ibhrī, meaning ‘from beyond the river’ i.e. “strangers” or “sojourners”), but not all Hebrews are Jews.

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  • BertM
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:53am

    Tell me something I did not know

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    • Jack of Hearts
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:27am

      Exactly – you beat me to it. Did anyone think someone other than the Essenes wrote this?? The clue is that this was an Essene settlement. Laziness by the Blaze?

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  • mikee1
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:40am

    So did you think it was the muslims or mormons? LOL.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:41pm

      You never know…. Wescott and Hort, who translated the Sinaiticus(sp) and the Vaticanus(sp),(2 early versions of the bible) were high-level occultists. All modern day versions stem from these translations, except the KJV. The KJV (not the ‘new’ KJV; they are trying to trick you) is the only Bible that is translated from the Byzantine texts, which ultimately came from Antioch, the first place people were called ‘christian’ after the death and resurrection of Christ.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 6:36pm

      I’m not sure what your question is exactly, but one thing I can tell you from my study of the Dead Sea Scroll translations is there is unique vocabulary used in the scrolls that belongs to the Mormon religion today. It’s as if the very things the Mormons have been saying have been restored from the past, were present at one time on the earth after all. Such things as a pre-mortal existence, Christ being separate from the Father, the proper priesthood ordination, the term “paradisical”, baptisms for the dead, and several other terms. I‘m not sure why today’s Christian churches would be much interested in these texts. They reject anything extra-biblical, even at their own peril.

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  • rfycom
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:32am

    Ounce you are able to remove the brainwashing of religion and political poisoning you will see none of it makes sense. Faith! In the grand scheme of things Scientology makes as much sense as all the other forms of religion. Scary huh?

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:05am

      rfycom,
      If you can expand your thoughts beyond what you can see, hear, feel, smell and taste, you’ll see that the existence of an intelligent first cause is the ONLY thing that makes sense. And that’s both scientifically and philosophically.

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    • Unix
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:34am

      RFY, brainwashed? Really? Good for you, you are the master of the universe and know all things. Does it not give one pause at all, to think outside the box? Let me ask you this. If you feel the Bible is a book of fiction, as it was created in 323 AD by Constantine, from all of the letters and books of the day, then how do these scrolls not refute Jesus?

      The scrolls back up the Bible my friend, they are a treasure of writings that prove what is written in the Bible is true, there is no leap of faith here. If only people such as yourself, would open your eyes and minds to the Bible, you would be amazed at what a great work it is.

      I feel sorry for people like you, who are devoid of faith outside of one’s self…must be hard to think for yourself, much less the rest of us, who do believe. You can keep your empty life.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:38am

      Mystery Babylon mixed with the wormwood of Kabballah. The DSS address Adam Kadman and the social engineering scheme associated with the “philosophers stone”. The philosophers stone is Alchemy and states basically “as above, so below”, which is the occult maxim, ie hidden truth. Things such as “fire and water” (learn the symbolism of the married hexagram).

      REMEMBER THE FIRST FRUITS, and do not be driven about by every word of doctrine. Gnosticism has been being practiced for a very long time, but it’s a counterfeit none the less. Wormwood.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:07pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      I really ponder your posts with regards to Kabbalah. Are you referring to Wormwood as the 3rd Angel that false to earth and poisons a third of the water? Are you insinuating that Kabbalah is the same type of “wormwood”? If so, you are talking about things you think you know about, but are not well versed at. I have seen some of your other posts where you reference Kabbalah. You post perplex me as the seem to have a basic grasp of the philosophies. Can you please explain further? You will see some of my other posts directed to you on the Netanyahu praising Glenn Beck article. You commented there as that the Kabbalists are trying to create a super race like Hitler.

      As a practicing Kabbalist myself, you are seriously mistaken in your thoughts if you think this to be true. Please read my other post on the other article, as I went into more detail about what Kabbalists’ thoughts are on the next evolution of mankind. It is not a super race as Hitler, but an all inclusive evolution of all men regardless of race, creed or nationality. Jesus was the first to evolve to the Messianic state. His comments in the bible of getting to heaven through him is not him asking you to worship him, but live as he did. He was the example. Only when we all live like him will the world be transformed and the next evolution of man is achieved. Many Kabbalists have not realized this, but I was originally Catholic and have a great depth of knowledge in religion.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:20pm

      @ JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:07pm

      @ The10thAmendment
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      I’m not mistaken at all concerning Kabballism. Since you are a Kabballist, you should know the symbolism associated with your beliefs and how that points to the Adam Kadmon, and who that represents and why.

      If you post the right answer I’ll be pleased to show the relationship to Mystery Babylon and what makes it occult, and not the true faith in the garden.

      There are also 2 keys in the Garden of Eden that show the divergent path of true Rabbinical Doctrine, and the counterfeit. Please describe them.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:26pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      Now if these comments are based on the old philosophy of many Rabbis that the soul of the Jew is different than the soul of the Gentle and other cultures, you would be rite. However, your views are based on select view of a few as these philosophies have been widely dropped by Kabbalists.

      Many prominent Kabbalists rejected this idea and believed in essential equality of all human souls. Menahem Azariah da Fano, in his book Reincarnations of souls, provides many examples of non-Jewish Biblical figures being reincarnated into Jews and vice versa.

      So in essence, your statement of they are like Hitler trying to make a master race, is like saying that the modern day German’s still uphold the philosophies of the NAZI party. While some may, the majority do not (or have not) shown the statement to be true. A perfect example is would Madonna be allowed to practice Kabbalah? No, as her soul would not be pure as indicated in the original doctrine. Kabbalah is based on human thought of the divine word, and will always be flawed, much like most religious scriptures that have been altered and translated through out the ages with one exception: the Torah (first five books of the old testament). There will be errors due to the translations and verbal traditions that were maintained for most of the Talmud (later books of the old testament) and the Gospels.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:30pm

      The first known description of the Kabballah’s hidden knowledge is addressed in Genesis 3. Wormwood is simply false doctrine, and in Genesis 3:4 (just as in Job when Lucifer – a fallen star) begins the truth of Kabballahs poison.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:34pm

      The symbolism of Kabballah remains today as it has since the beginning. You didn’t address the symbolism in your response.

      As a practicing Kabballist, what is the difference between the hexagram, and the Menorah? How does Revelation unravel that mystery?

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:37pm

      fixed the post

      (just as in Job when Lucifer – a fallen star – when contending with God and describing where he came from, ie the knowledge of walking to and fro in the earth) begins the truth of Kabballahs poison.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:48pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      You are speaking of The Lurianic Kabbalah, which is a sect of Kabbalah and not Kabbalah as a whole. While I respect your views, you are generalizing one form as all. That is like saying the KKK are like all Christians (the were a Christian Sect).

      As for Lucifer the “Fallen Star”…. Not once is it stated Lucifer… It is Day Star, which is a letter regarding the fall of Babylon as found in Isaiah 14:12-17. Lucifer was a name given by the English when translating the bible (which grew the birth of the idea of Satan). If you truly study Judiasm, there is no devil, Satan or Lucifer. There is only God. God is all things, good and bad. God is the perfect balance between all things. God is temperance and infinite wisdom. More so, God is a verb. God is the power of creation that allows all things to exist. Even that is a poor substitute as the words in and of themselves bind the unbindable. What Chirstian’s call Satan is Ha-satan, or the adversary. It is not a supernatural opposer to God, but the adversary of man (IE temptation). It is not some fallen angel, more so because man was given free-will and in order to test man a counterpoint was needed. If Lucifer was an angel, he would never be able to break from the word, as he never had free will (this is a human thing only – sorry). Therefore, Lucifer would have been charged by God.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:59pm

      Now you really got me laughing at you!

      “As a practicing Kabballist, what is the difference between the hexagram, and the Menorah?”

      So you are going to bring into this the false Kabbalah as practiced by “mages”. LMAO Come on, I believe in modern day stuff not Harry Potter. You are speaking of Alchemy, which is long since dead. You can cite ritual stuff all day, but that is not true Kaballah, that is the Wormwood you speak of. That is the Golden Dawn crap. According to the occult, the hexagram is the merging of man and women and also it derives four triangular symbols from it (two triangles crossed like a capital letter A and two uncrossed) to represent the four elements: water, fire, air, and earth.

      However, do you really think we can cast spells? I mean come on….

      As for the Menorah, that is a better one:
      The Chanukah Menorah is identified with the Divine revelation which will be experienced during the era of the Moshiach (IE the coming of the Messiah which as I stated is when we all decide to live like Jesus showed us). You are mixing real Kabbalah as practiced by rabbis with the occult stuff that is practiced by people that have perverted it.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:59pm

      Right. Day Star. Star of the Morning, the rising sun = the LIGHT BEARER = Lucifer = wisdom beyond man = not of God. Kabballah continues as it has since the Garden where man, shall not truly die if they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, but rather become, be like gods. Which is the basis of the hexagram, fire and water being married with man sitting at its center and becoming as a god. In other words, man creating himself into a god thru a ritualistic alchemy (The fable of Moses and the Golden Bread).

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:09pm

      @ JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 12:59pm

      Now you really got me laughing at you!

      “As a practicing Kabballist, what is the difference between the hexagram, and the Menorah?”

      So you are going to bring into this the false Kabbalah as practiced by “mages”. LMAO Come on, I believe in modern day stuff not Harry Potter. You are speaking of Alchemy, which is long since dead.
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      Kabballah continues today no different than it did in the garden. You can’t get away from your first fruits. If the basis is wrong, the entirety of the concepts built on top of them are wrong.

      Laugh all you want, it simply shows what you fear………….the truth. What does Harry Potter have to do with anything? The rituals of Kabballah haven’t changed regardless of a broken sect.

      To show just how Kabballah is emphasized in modern man, all we have to do is look at the Alchemy of molecular genetics and science tampering with the golden ends (telomerase) of the DNA to extend life. Alchemy is alive and well.

      You’ve still avoided the Hexagram vs the Menorah, and how Revelation breaks the mystery.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:14pm

      (However, do you really think we can cast spells? I mean come on….)
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      What? Cast spells, and you say that I’m talking in Harry Potter silliness. Interventionism, or prayer? Is that what you mean?

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:22pm

      As a Kabballist, do you believe the Tree of Life is any different from the Tree of Knowledge, or are they in fact 1 tree in your teaching?

      There’s an interesting concept that has been passed down through Kabballah. The serpent (gimel, ie gamel = camel) is depicted as offering Eve an apple. Yet Adam and Eve cover themselves with fig leaves? Why the disconnect there?

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:25pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      So did you get this stuff from David Livingstone?
      http://educate-yourself.org/cn/livingstonesatanicpossessionmankind08may10.shtml

      LMAO! Come on man… Which is why in Isiah (part of the Talmud) is so dangerous due to the countless translations and changes. Lucifer was not a God of Babylon. Nor is the Morning Star the reference to a King named Lucifer. The king in question was Nebuchadnezzar who exiled the Jews after he conquered Judah and Jerusalem.

      You really should study Judaism before posting this. You are spouting stuff from various sources that are not rooted in truth. It does justify your demonizing as the ones you are speaking of that believe this are false and extremely dangerous, but this is not what true Jewish Kabbalists believe. Sorry to be the barer of bad news. Their is no magic… Golems where a pipe dream to protect Jews from inquisitions and persecution. Don’t believe everything you read, and be sure that you study multiple source (preferably direct sources).

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:34pm

      “What? Cast spells, and you say that I’m talking in Harry Potter silliness. Interventionism, or prayer? Is that what you mean?”

      What you are quoting is from false Kabbalah and you are labeling it as true Kabbalah. You are speaking of the Non Jewish version of Kabbalah which mixes the Golden Dawn and other perverse scriptures of falsehoods. It is not true Kabbalah, you are mixing the two. Sorry, but you are misinformed. Lucifer is not a person… It is and English word given to something they did not understand. Thank King James for that one. Alchemy is not Science, it was a primitive science that believed in metaphysics… Like making love potions and crap like that.

      It was scrapped long ago for real science. I do believe you are right with the workings of DNA and the Tree of Life. I have often pondered that, but I think that true Messianic transformation is not done in physical or metaphysical. It can only be achieved through the world adoption of the teaching of Christ (not the worship of – Big difference). Sorry if you think I am not answering your questions, but that is because your question are not relevant to what I believe. Kabbalah is the philosophy of the bible “Torah & Talmud” based on the hidden teachings within that text. When you pull in stuff like the Hexagram and the non-Jewish Golden Dawn stuff, I will not lead down that road to falsehood. It is not the word.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:36pm

      Never heard of David Livingston.

      I‘d say that you shouldn’t believe everything you’re wrongly being taught, by teachers leading you back to the tree of knowledge and feeding you fruit that leads to death.

      Sop you’re denying the golden square of the sun, and the original intent of the hexagram? How do you justify that and maintain your faith if that’s the case? You cannot escape the first fruits and justify it with a reformation (replacement theology) of the origin of the religion.

      You are either founded on the Books of Creation (the Torah) or you are not.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:45pm

      @ JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:34pm

      “What? Cast spells, and you say that I’m talking in Harry Potter silliness. Interventionism, or prayer? Is that what you mean?”

      What you are quoting is from false Kabbalah and you are labeling it as true Kabbalah.
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      I’m not talking about cra-allah of the age of enlightenment. I’m talking about the “magic” or mysticism of your true Kabballah. I take it that you are against Chasidic Judaism?

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:57pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      Now to rephrase your question, the Star of David is a representation of the Creation of the universe. Kabbalah teaches that G‑d created the world with seven spiritual building blocks—His seven emotional attributes. Accordingly, the entire creation is a reflection of these seven foundational attributes.

      They are: Chesed (Kindness), Gevurah (Severity), Tiferet (Harmony), Netzach (Perseverance), Hod (Splendor), Yesod (Foundation) and Malchut (Royalty).

      Note that the number seven corresponds to the number of days that it took (7 – 1 for each point – 6 + the day of rest). This is again signified in the Menorah with the seven points of light. Again, this is the Messianic belief of the coming of the Messiah, which is not a person. You are taking the Biblical terms too literal. They are symbolic in nature. The story is the evolution of man. Yes they stories of Noah are rooted in the stories of Babylon. It is the story of Gilgamesh, which makes sense because the tale of the fall of the tower of Babel (Ahem… Babylon) is the dispersing of man through out the world (not literal). Yes, the Jews ancient heritage is Babylon… Iraq or Mesopotamia. The rivers that surround the area are that of the Garden of Eden. Yet again, the creation story is not actuality. The meaning behind the words are the secrets to the unlocking the message. They all point to the Messiah, the truth – which is the next evolution of mankind.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:15pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      I am not against Chasidic Judaism, I just do not practice that form of Judaism. Religion is not as cut and dry as you like to make it… I have no teacher, I am 100% self taught on various writings for a large number of writings. I have read books on the occult and found them so far off the truth.

      The largest contributor to my philosophy is that of Rabbi David Cooper and my own studies of the Christian Bible, the Torah, Talmud, and soon the Torah. I believe that the “truth”, while grounded in the Torah must be expanded on the various of beliefs that transpired since. I began this search after Christianity never fully answered my analytical questions. So I began studying. I found that the philosophies of Kabbalah as dictated by Rabbis to be profound eye awakenings as to my faith and the grounds of Christianity. I still do not accept Christianity as my faith, because i found that the interpretations to be far from the actual message (IE the worshiping of Jesus as a god. No where does Jesus proclaim divinity). Or, as you are leaning to state that Jesus is Adam Kadmon. The theory of Adam Kadmon is simply the facet of Ain-Soph-Aur to explain that we are made in the likeness of God.

      I believe that God is still not this Adam Kadmon, as it limits that which has no limits. There is only God (IE limitless light). All things are part of the one and only. How we get there is up to us. The direction is clear, live like Jesus did.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:23pm

      @ JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 1:57pm

      @ The10thAmendment
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      I’m rather enjoying talking to you. Knowledge gleaned from any source when tempered by the Spirit of God (and I know you would say that G_D not spelled out) is knowledge worth having.

      The 7 Spirits are represented (the Menorah) in the vision of John described in the Book of Revelation as the 7 Churches. You still can’t escape the mysticism of Kabballah. When Abram left Ur of the Chaldee’s, it was because had called him out of idol worship. But it really didn’t end at the edge of the land of Ur. Sarai took the idols of worship, which was certainly the worship of the sun as a god. Later it became entrenched/enshrined in the land of Caanan as acceptable in the land God gave to Abram. Eventually this led to Josiah storming through the groves to throw down those false altars before God. The cube of the sun appeared throughout Kabballah still long afterwards. It is certainly of what would become the Jewish people and that original thought which was mysticism. Even though God had tried to eliminate false worship (described in the flood story), man still held the desire to create himself into a god.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:30pm

      @The10thAmendment
      [Quote: As a Kabballist, do you believe the Tree of Life is any different from the Tree of Knowledge, or are they in fact 1 tree in your teaching?

      There’s an interesting concept that has been passed down through Kabballah. The serpent (gimel, ie gamel = camel) is depicted as offering Eve an apple. Yet Adam and Eve cover themselves with fig leaves? Why the disconnect there?]

      Again, you are taking the words as literal meanings. Do you believe the world was created in 6 days some 5000 years ago? No, these are conceptions to explain to the lowest common denominator in order to create a basis for a stable society. Adam is not a person… Adam in Hebrew means mankind.

      One of the most beautiful Kabbalistic teachings speaks of the unity of all human souls. In Sefer HaGilgulim (“The Book of Reincarnations”), Rabbi Chaim Vital wrote in the name of his master, the Arizal, that all of our souls (including those of Hizbullah and Hamas) were bound together in the Collective Soul of Adam and Eve, the first human beings. That is, each of the six billion souls of the world’s present population is rooted in the first, Divinely-created man and woman. Therefore, in the depth of our psyche, we share a common unity. However, we have fallen asleep, become unconscious of this primal reality.

      Again… It is a story… A fairytale… But there is meaning behind the words. It is the evolution of man to ****-Sapiens.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:36pm

      @ Johnny

      It was scrapped long ago for real science. I do believe you are right with the workings of DNA and the Tree of Life. I have often pondered that, but I think that true Messianic transformation is not done in physical or metaphysical. It can only be achieved through the world adoption of the teaching of Christ (not the worship of – Big difference).
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      I find this interesting and didn’t address it right away because I needed to think about it some. Man can never transform the physical into the spiritual. The best we can do is to counterfeit it. While Alchemy as described in the early Kabballah practices has changed, the basic tenets have not. They are still mystic. It is still man trying to create himself into a god. Alchemy, or the search for the fountain of youth, eternal life, is man trying to replace God in attaining that end. Alchemy is certainly very much alive in that practice as seen in molecular genetics. Recently “science” has achieved extended the life of a living organism 10 times what it should live. How is that accomplished? By extending the telomerase that closes both ends of the DNA. It is a chemical process that they have not yet mastered because the additional information (code) dissolves in “water”. The intent? To add a 3rd strand of code not subject to the beginning and end of the DNA strand. Alchemy.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:45pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      The Serpent is Ha-Satan or the adversary. However, this adversary is not an external force, it is the force in all men and women. It is our temptation. The forbidden fruit was the supposed taking of the cardinal knowledge of good and evil thus manifesting the temptation in side ourselves. Or the poison of the serpent. It is still not Satan, Devil or Lucifer. It is a way to explain our own Human temptation. Saying we were once pure, but we were deceived. However, we were always evil and good intertwined. We bear the essence of the creator (IE the soul) which is the true likeness we were made in. We were made with the ability to create our own heaven or hell on this earth. Only through Messianic Transformation will we be able to conquer our earthly desires and live as one in the light of wisdom and righteousness.

      This may not be textbook, but Kabbalah is not set in stone. Kabbalah is a philosophy that is still to this day trying to be unlocked so we can live everlasting in the light of the creator in unison. People think it is to live forever physical… Sorry, it real means spiritually. What I call Kabbalah can be different than another, which is why I corrected you in the first place. You place labels on things with a very basic conception of what it is. True Kabbalah is not Wormwood. Nor is it rooted in magic and physicality. It is about better ourselves to use temperance and live as God on this earth, an thus granted life after.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:52pm

      [Again, you are taking the words as literal meanings. Do you believe the world was created in 6 days some 5000 years ago? No, these are conceptions to explain to the lowest common denominator in order to create a basis for a stable society. Adam is not a person… Adam in Hebrew means mankind.]

      Hardly. Even in Biblical mathematics 6 actual days is proven false. I do not in any way promote evolution, but I do promote that man “developed” after God created from adama (dust of the ground) and breathed his Spirit into the man he had created who became a living soul. He gave us free will so that we could descend to our lowest form, earth, or attain our highest form, spiritual. The Spirit of God walking with the man He had made communicated thru “The Word” and gave eternal life by that Word (Tree of Life – spiritual union with God), but warned (commanded) not to eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Why? Because that “fig knowledge” was poison. While the “apple” of Gods eye was life.

      Man certainly has been around far longer than merely a few thousand years, but it’s a development not what science refers to as evolution.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 2:58pm

      [Quote: Even though God had tried to eliminate false worship (described in the flood story), man still held the desire to create himself into a god.]

      I really agree with you on this point. However, I feel that the falsehood is the thought that we are to become gods. I found this referenced only in texts that dealt with magic and the Golden Dawn. It seems the use of the word for earthly pursuit and may be due to the roots of Judaism as an offshoot of ancient Babylon. As the creation stories are just as similar as the stories of Noah are to Gilgamesh. I really do not prescribe to that thinking though, except when I was a teen. I wanted to believe in the protection spells and stuff… But the more I studied and learned (especially in science) the more I found that this was stuff of false knowledge.

      I believe you are correct that some believe in that stuff, and they are absolutely dangerous. However, I have never came across a Rabbi that actually believed that they could conduct rituals. Most books that wrote about Kabbalah and included spells and rituals were written by non rabbis (as most Jews do not practice the philosophies of Kabbalah.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:01pm

      Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. The physical is always at odds with the spirit. They war. But the scriptures are definitely deeper than face value, but that doesn’t remove the physical interpretation void. It’s simply an expression that we can touch, taste, and feel relating to things we cannot see.

      That changes nothing. In the Garden man (your mankind) was warned about the tree of knowledge. What knowledge? The false doctrine that man could intervene through his knowledge and develop towards eternal life in the absence of Gods Word. Man creating man into God. Rather than God creating man thru the Spirit drawing us into Himself.

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:03pm

      @ The10thAmendment

      So, we pretty much believe the same thing, but we differ on how we interpret the word. At least I feel closer to my personal answers in speaking with you that i may be on the correct road to enlightenment. I guess I am too realistic based on my earthly chains (IE my body). However, I believe my deeds are what direct me to be come one with the spirit (IE God, Hasheem, YHWH).

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:07pm

      You’re an interesting man Johnny and I appreciate your discussion. I have to get some things done to send over for a work project, but I’d like to continue this discussion with you. It should take no more than a couple of hours.

      So if you respond and there’s a delay, I’m not ignoring you. If I want to eat, I do actually have to work, even if I’d rather talk to you, or others about spiritual matters!

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:31pm

      @ The10thAmendment
      [Quote: Man can never transform the physical into the spiritual.]
      I probably would say that the the word transformed that I used is what caused this. But what is death but a transformation of the physical in to the spiritual. Man does this upon death. While I completely understand your concepts of the Tree of Life as a fountain of youth type thing. I honest think this is due to the Jews not adopting the Christian texts and studying them (especially in the days of old). I speak from the opposite. I was Christian who came to Judaism. Therefore, have a widely diverse way of perceiving the Word.

      The Jewish faith is based in pragmatism of a single God sharing dual natures (IE the duality of the creator and the ability of good and evil existing in one entity). As the creator of all things, it is in the realm of which all things exist. It is the force that is ever present. Creation did not end at the story of Genesis. Creation is ever going throughout eternity. Which is why we say that God is in all things. We are forever connected, though separate.

      Do you not find it odd that the Torah shows a spiteful Hasheem (God, YHWH, Lord) that seeks to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, yet Abraham questions the messengers (AKA angels) as to the death of the whole Kingdoms? It is the same with Moses questioning Hasheem for the wraith and charge of killing the Jewish for the worship of the gold calf. They question based on the judgement.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:47pm

      Not really. I didn’t get saved until I was 36. Now that I have accepted Christ, everything makes perfect sense. I just can‘t see how reasonable people can’t see it the same. Seriously… it even follows the laws of physics. Except the omniscience part… that’s hard to grasp for some people. But hey, God’s ways are not our ways. I can’t remember the exact passage, but one of my favorites goes something like this:

      Does the hammer(TOOL), ask of its master, Why hast thou made me thus?

      I know, I‘m sure it hurts when you realize you’re nothing but a tool. I’ve been there… but then again, not having an over-inflated opinion of myself and what I think I know, it wasn’t too hard to swallow. Nevertheless… we’re all tools. Your free will is deciding on who you’re going to be a tool for. God? or satan. I‘m sorry if you don’t like it, but I didn’t make up the rules.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 6:26pm

      @ Johnny.

      It would only stand to reason that we would share many of the same philosophical points, and I concur that it’s the interpretation that defines our differences. I simply cannot reconcile the flesh attaining the divine future. That’s where doctrinal differences diverge at the path of Jesus, and what he represented, God in the flesh. Physically speaking Himself into the physical to fulfill the Law, that man no matter how much he tries cannot achieve. The same as the blood marking the door posts (passover) to the sanctification of the founding stone of the Temple through the unblemished Red Heifer. The difference is that In the flesh the Word became a one time sanctification, or propitiation for the sins that the Law can merely judge by death, or separation from the Divine presence of God. No amount of works can lead to life, but by the Grace of the sanctifying “passover” that in the Spirit God see’s as clearly as we see a tree in front of us, that’s the only atonement (doorway) to Life. The presence of the indwelling Spirit compels me to good works, but the works are simply an expression to the inner transformation. Flesh cannot inherit the Divine, but if we step out of the way (put on Christ), the Spirit can witness thru us declaring our condition with God. Without Christ we can only know in part.

      The Jewish people are looking for the Messiah, my prayer is that they don’t get caught in the deception.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 6:45pm

      I’m a Christian, but I don’t believe in Hell. I believe in Sheol, the Lake of Fire. Souls which are not found in Christ are there, and will be there. Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

      23 And in hell (a poor interpretation of the word Sheol) he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

      24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

      25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

      26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

      This physical body must die before we can put on immortality.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 6:50pm

      @ KAdams
      I agree with your post. Christ is the difference being seeing and not seeing. If people are still under the Law, they are still trying to “work” their way into the Kingdom of Heaven. Something impossible to attain thru the working of the flesh, because the Law merely condemns, not set free.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:26pm

      Anyway Johnny, back onto the topic of Kabballah. In Kabballist thought, what infamous person made the reference to the Tree of Life being a Spiritual Filing Cabinet?

      Knowing that Kabballists see only one tree in the Garden that was both Life and Knowledge 10 sephiroth along 22 pathways connecting them all, how do practicing Jews define the difference in any religion? It would not be possible to differentiate between true teachings, and false teachings, which is something that God is careful to warn people of. Even at the essence of considering the 22 pathways as the 22 amino acids that makeup the human genome, each one becomes mandatory for DNA to transpose the code onto mRNA to awaken the amino acids to work as one in creating life (proteins, hydrogen bonds etc). The serpent is pretty clever in stating his case by posing as the Tree of Life, and is in fact the counterfeit, the Tree of Knowledge. Hence the all inclusive ideology surrounding what you call modern Kabbalah. Unfortunately that’s contrary to the teaching of the Mosaic Laws, and certainly contrary to the Prophets, especially as they relate to the Messiah.

      Naturally Kabbalists believe they hold true to original doctrine. The Serpent can quote scripture better than man can, but he can also add and take away just enough to change the times and seasons (intent) to make it false doctrine. And that’s what Kabbalism represents. A counterfeit.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:54pm

      @ Johnny

      It was scrapped long ago for real science. I do believe you are right with the workings of DNA and the Tree of Life. I have often pondered that, but I think that true Messianic transformation is not done in physical or metaphysical. It can only be achieved through the world adoption of the teaching of Christ (not the worship of – Big difference).
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      For some reason it cut off the conclusion at the end of my response to this, so I’ll try it again. Cut off after this [The intent? To add a 3rd strand of code not subject to the beginning and end of the DNA strand. Alchemy.]

      Hitler, like alchemists throughout Kabballah are seeking to perfect man whether thru invocations, sorcery, magic of objects, or its direct relationship within the blood of man, our DNA. Creating the superman, or the super race. That’s no different than the alchemy being practiced in stem cell research and molecular genetic engineering. It’s still alchemy, or a science that is no science.

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  • johnpaulkuchtajr
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:19am

    Yep, these are the same folks who Barry wants to revert to their 1967 borders so that the bad guys can rain mortars down on them. I think that BiBi has other plans………

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  • JohnnyMidknight
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:15am

    Wow…. I wonder if Okie, Rose-Ellen, Smackdown33, Ming the Merciless and the other Anti-Semites will claim that this is a lie and that the Jews never lived in “Palestine” despite the overwhelming data that shows they lived there and always were inhabitants of the region.

    But seeing as they like to rewrite the History of WWII and the NAZI reasons for exterminating the Jews, I wouldn’t doubt they will try to denounce this scientific find.

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    • qpwillie
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:29am

      They’ll probably say the Bilderberg Group put the scrolls there.

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    • Isaiah52021
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:54am

      Did you know that Islam was founded on the opinion that the scriptures were tainted, and when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the scriptures were on fact proven to be accurate, that proved Islam to be a false religion…Rose Ellen would really have a cow if she/he ever actually looked at facts.

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    • KAdams
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 3:50pm

      Maps pre-Christ and in the modern times of Christ show Palestine as the recognised nation in the area.

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 11:06pm

      Undoubtedly they will Johnny. They cling to wrongheadedness regardless of the truth and the facts. If they would simply read the Scriptures it’s pretty easy to get the demarcations for the land promised to Abraham. The entire Sword of Gideon of the fertile crescent belongs to the Israeli’s. The people claiming to be Palestinians today are nothing more than the left over slaves of the Roman Empire who usurped the lands they considered choice for tilling. When they left the slaves became squatters. The only thing the Israeli’s should give to the phoney Palestinians is a canteen of water and a head start into the Wilderness of Sin where they came from.

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on November 24, 2011 at 12:24am

      @KADAMS………..”Palestine as the recognised nation in the area.”

      Palistine land of the Philistines
      1 Samuel 17: 4 And a champion began to go out from the camps of the Philistines his name being Goliath from Gath……………………..

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:12am

    God will let us know he wrote them when its our time to know.

    Have a Great Thanksgiving – Hopefully we can continue this American tradition!

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    • mils
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:25am

      give it another generation and Thanksgiving will be like Bunker Hill Day or such..

      Christmas “shopping” appears to be more important

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  • cemerius
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:09am

    Better yet here is further proof of Jews being on the west bank 100′s of years before Islam came to be a Religion? Yet, the Jewish state of Israel has “no historical right to exist”? Just because they were written by this Jewish sect does this mean they are not divinely inspired? Faith is so difficult for a “scientist” to grasp they are mostly athiest!

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    • JohnnyMidknight
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:18am

      Right on! Thanks for the support of the Truth!

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    • macpappy
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:29am

      Faith is so difficult for a “scientist” to grasp they are mostly athiest!

      There is no wonder in that, is there. A scientist operates on fact, a religous person operates on a faith based on archaic fables, and folklore. And please don’t give me the “The Holy Bible Says” line. The Holy Bible says what King James allowed it to say.

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    • Perspective
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:45am

      Umm actually scientists operate on theories. They try to use facts to back up their theories.

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    • macpappy
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:07am

      @Perspective
      Good point. Should have worded that different. I am sure you did get my point though.

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    • cemerius
      Posted on November 23, 2011 at 10:11am

      When you get down to the beginning what does “science” say? No answer the “Big Bang”? Someone had to light the fuse? Faith is what it takes a scientist will spend their lives trying to prove something from nothing. Of course, my point in the comment wasn’t to “bash” scientists but , to point out the LONG lineage/history that the Jewish community has tied to the Jewish state of Israel….no one can tell me what let alone where this “race” called the Palestinians are from? The plight of the Palestinians is tragic but since those that perpetuate the lie “Israel has no right to exist” fail to recognize history that even a scientist can understand.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:09am

    Why are people shocked that the Essenes are the authors of the Dead Sea scrolls? Save for those who are looking for the Ark of the Covenant like Indiana Jones?

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:07am

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    We’ll know the truth when we die……………

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  • grannyjojo
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 9:06am

    Interesting. I also want to say happy Thanksgiving to all. May the Lord bless and keep you. “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess”

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  • momrules
    Posted on November 23, 2011 at 8:57am

    Interesting, but there will always be different views as to who authored the scrolls.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all Blazers everywhere. May your day be blessed.

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