‘Mormon F**kface,‘ ’Mormon Cultist’: Attacks on Romney’s Faith Surface — Again
- Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:36pm by
Billy Hallowell
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The Blaze’s Erica Ritz contributed to this report.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is no stranger to controversy surrounding his The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints membership. Both in the 2008 and 2012 electoral cycles, he has fielded numerous anecdotal attacks — anti-Mormon incursions that have continued despite DNC chair and congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s (D-Fla.) pledge that the contender’s faith will be off-limits during the 2012 cycle.
But actions and words are two very different things (plus, let’s face it — even if Schultz was being genuine, it’s impossible to prevent every Democrat from making bigoted statements). This month, alone, attacks on Romney’s faith have been prevalent. Take, for instance, Newsbusters’ note about a Time Magazine article that can certainly be seen as contributing to the anti-LDS rhetoric.
On June 13, psychoanalyst Dr. Justin Frank took to the Time Ideas blog to pen an article entitled, “The Root of Mitt Romney’s Comfort With Lying.” According to Frank, these supposed falsities can be blamed upon Mormonism.
“But this pattern of lying and not acknowledging it, even when confronted directly, has persisted and led me to look for other sources of Romney’s behavior and of his clear comfort with continuing it,” Frank writes. “I think much of this comfort stems from his Mormon faith.”
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But it doesn’t end there, as he also points out Romney’s alleged lies and analyzes how Mormonism apparently allows for these infractions to take place. Frank goes on to claim that faith traditionally takes first seat with Mormons and that adherents allow it to, often times, trump fact. Here’s some more of his analysis:
I found myself discussing this situation with several colleagues, and we agreed that Romney doesn’t lie. Let me repeat: Mitt Romney doesn’t lie. He is telling the truth as he sees it — and truth it is, the facts notwithstanding. This is not simply a case of Hamlet arguing about point of view, saying, “For there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” This is about a conflict between evidence and faith. There is a long tradition in the Mormon belief system in which evidence takes second place to faith. Examples abound, as when two Mormon elders who were questioned about the inconsistency in passages from the Book of Mormon said, “We know the Book of Mormon is true and that it contains the Word of God even in the face of evidence that appears contradictory,” according to The Mormon Missionaries by former Mormon Janice Hutchison. Thus there are no lies, only faith-based certainty that translates as truth for which no apology is needed, since what was said was not a lie.
Children learn to lie at different times in their development, but almost always by the age of 10. Their lies help establish them as separate from their parents, especially if the parents believe them. And one doesn’t have to be a Mormon to lie — just look at John Edwards or former Nevada Senator John Ensign. But in the Mormon Church, there was a decision to accept authority as true — whether or not evidence supported it. Hence Joseph Smith, the founder of the faith in 1820, claimed he was illiterate and received the Book of Mormon directly from God. But he could read, and read very well.
And that’s only a portion of the writing. One cannot help but wonder where to find Frank‘s scathing article repudiating Obama’s lies and blaming them on his faith (one clue: it doesn’t exist).
Then, there’s the Twitter ”hashtag wars,” an ongoing phenomena in social media — and one that was used this weekend by some on the Left in an effort to disparage Romney’s Mormon faith. In an unexpected cultural twist, conservatives actually hold their own in this particular forum, and have been known to sarcastically hijack leftist hashtags.
For example, when the president asked tweeters to describe why they like Obamacare, #ILikeObamacare started trending worldwide, but with with nearly ten sarcastic responses for every genuine tweet. Some of the more memorable examples included: “#IlikeObamaCare because I want unelected bureaucrats making as many personal decisions for me as possible,“ ”#ILikeObamacare as much as I like My father-in-law’s wife,“ and ”#ILikeObamacare because I think if you work, then I should benefit.”
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Over the weekend, however, #RomneyInTwoWords and #ObamaInTwoWords set the stage for another Twitter face-off and, perhaps not surprisingly, a number of Obama supporters used the hashtag to unleash a wave of anti-Mormon vitriol.
Twitchy captured a number of the tweets:
@Deb_Libby: #RomneyInTwoWords Mormon Menace
@deargalaxy: #RomneyInTwoWords Mormon underwear
@MrJamesDudley: #RomneyInTwoWords F*cking Mormon…do you need any more words than that
@GuileOfTheGods: #RomneyInTwoWords Multiple wives #Mormon…
@Mystic_Jeff_A: #RomneyInTwoWords Mormon f*ckface
@WarLordwrites: #RomneyInTwoWords Mormon cultist
@zarahxelyse: #RomneyInTwoWords F*ckin Mormon
@DRMcLellan1893: #RomneyInTwoWords: Mormon Vampire #ObamaInTwoWords Pragmatic Diplomat
@ChocolateThund9: #RomneyinTwoWords Mormon fa*got
@CockyButCool: #RomneyInTwoWords : mormon bi*ch
As Twitchy notes, the hypocrisy of the leftist ideology that claims to be “tolerant,” yet writes such bigoted messaging, remains largely unchecked. However, examining the Frank example (from Time and looking at these most recent tweets and exploring the recent media track-record, these attacks are far from uncommon.
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In February, New York Times columnist Charles Blow tweeted that Mitt Romney should “stick that in [his] magic underwear,” a mere 13 days after writing about the horrors of bullying. In that case, the National Review reports that the paper’s public editor declined to intervene, ostensibly because Blow is an opinion writer.
“I agree this type of tweet isn’t a good idea. I have generally taken the view that ad hominem attacks are problematic journalistically…And I personally disagree with criticizing anyone based on religious belief. Because the writer in this case is an Op-Ed writer, whose opinions are his own, I do not plan to intervene to disagree with the opinion itself. But I think tweets of this kind are a mistake,” Art Brisbane reportedly wrote.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell
Let‘s also remember MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell and his anti-Mormon diatribe earlier this year. Here’s a snapshot of some of the host’s words about Romney and the LDS:
“Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it.” [...]
“Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it,” O’Donnell continued. “Which Mitt Romney says he believes.”
One wonders if these anecdotal examples are symptomatic of a greater issue or even a willingness on the part of Democratic operatives — or the Obama re-election campaign itself — to use Mormonism against Romney. Interestingly, even members of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” have pondered how the Obama campaign will handle the Republican’s faith in the general election.
Despite the negativity, in January, The Blaze examined the issue of Mormonism and its potential role in the 2012 campaign. In the end, our analysis concluded that the vast majority of evangelicals and religious conservatives would not allow theological differences to prevent a vote for Romney.
While we know that this is the case for those on the right, the aforementioned examples do cause some pause when considering how far leftists will go in deriding the former Massachusetts governor.
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YourVoiceMatters
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:18pmWe have 2 choices in this election…
Report Post »Mitt was not my first choice but obama is not a choice period….
His hate mongering, blame game, lieing, and Constitution crushing form of governance
does not belong in America! I never want to see anyone elected to office
who so blatantly disregards the imput by citizens …
Such arrogance does not belong in government ever!
We see no transparency and only collusion, cronieism, and illegal moves
against the Constitution, usurping where he has no Consitutional right to do so!
He is not a king and freedom is not freedom if we have a dictator
who tells us what he proposes we do!
Even with the first lady dictating as well!
It is apalling on the face of it!
With the viscious name calling by these
makes me wonder how they can lay claim they are the party of the people!
It appears they are the party of the people of like minds
all others get castigated as being subhuman! feel the love! ??
So much for their kindness and benevolence for ALL the people…
it just is not there for ya! And I will vote for Mitt and trust God…
Infinitely better than what we have now! Mitt lies? Excuse me, obama is a lie!
Clive
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:51pmIm not voting at all. I’m not into “i’ll vote for who i hate the least”.
obama sucks, mitt romney sucks. he isn’t a conservative, and is probably one of the most smug, and least likable guys the GOP has coughed up in memory. Say what you will about John McCain, but he is ten times the man Mitt is. He was a war hero, Mitt dodged the draft five times.
And obama beat mccain easily, which will happen again. If i were in the GOP, i’d be planning for 2016, getting an actual conservative who can win on the ballot. This guy is a joke.
Report Post »hypnos
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:53pmTwitter cowards. Even the idea and the name twitter sound childish and superficial.
Report Post »Brother Winston Smith
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:11pmWe have MANY choices this election. Here are three:
Illegal alien criminal Dream Amnesty?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Executive Ordered sodomite/lesbian “marriage?”
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Subsidized student loans:
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
BAILED-OUT welfare queens as leading “contributors”?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Support TARP?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Support the “Patriot” Act?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Support gun-grabbing?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Supports abortion (when politically advantageous)?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
State-funded abortion?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Chickenhawking?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Support NDAA?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Mandated purchase of healthcare?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
Support PRIVATE Federal Reserve?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
REJECTION of the Enumerated Powers?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
REJECTION of the 10th?
Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
LEFTIST judges?
Report Post »Romney – Y, Obama – Y, Paul – N
amyb73
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:17pm@Clive – I totally feel your pain, but remember that NO vote is almost as good as a vote for the candidate you hate the most. (whoever that may be)
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:24pm‘Jewish F**kface,‘ ’Jewish Cultist’: Attacks on Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s Faith Surface — Again
Okay, let’s play this game.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:36pmCome on clive- summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. We have to hit the brakes gently my friend. One man can not fix this problem overnight. You need to vote. If romney sucks, we will vote him out in 2016 in the primary.
If oblamer wins, there may not be another election. Or we will be voting for a UN representative as the UN establishes a world president. Three years of UN treaties that were not approved by our congress has put us in a bad spot. Imagine four more years of UN a$$ kissing.
Rethink your position, at least once, then do whatever your heart tells you to do.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:37pmNeither one is a choice. Both are typical bureaucrats.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:39pmBreaking news to the lefties-
Im not voting for Mitt Romney because of his faith. Im voting for him because he is a business man who knows how to make tough decisions. And I dont think he will blame everyone else if he fails.
Unlike that plastic banana self serving crappy golfer you kneel to every chance you get.
Im embarrassed to call the lefty d-bags my countrymen.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:41pmWho will support Same Sex Marriage if elected?
Romney – N, Obama – Y, Paul – Y
Who has a false understanding about Middle East policies?
Romney – N, Obama – Y, Paul – Y
Who has supporters who refuse to believe the fact that their candidate ALSO plays politics?
Romney – N, Obama – N, Paul – Y
Who has supporters that will disparage, harass, and berate anyone, anytime, anywhere simply because they disagree with them?
Romney – N, Obama – Y, Paul – Y
Who has supporters that will distort some facts (like above) to promote their view that “Romney is as bad as Obama?”
Romney – N/A, Obama – N, Paul – Y
Which candidate and his supporters have a totally and completely removed-from-reality distorted expectation that he can be elected to the President of the U.S.?
Romney – N, Obama – N, Paul – Y
Paul! Paul! Paul!
Report Post »Attila_the_Hunney
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:43pmIf you have ever had to live around mormons, you will find out very quickly they are not kind or benevolent– unless you are a practitioner of their cult. Quite the opposite, they are incestuous, hateful and make people’s lives miserable any chance they get. There is no point in having a discussion with them based on reason, history, theology or evidence– as they begin indoctrinating and brainwashing their children at two years old. I’m with Clive– I am not voting at all. I refuse to vote due to my religious conscience as a Christian.
It is no surprise that Americans are hopeless and despondent– first a muslim cultist, now a mormon cultist. False gods, false prophets, false books, the two have so much in common it is chilling.
Nice job America. Way to destroy what was once a perfectly decent and wonderful country. I will never forgive you.
SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:44pmJerk
Can I play too? Two words for Debbie- incompetent mushmouth, ******* jhericurl, good riddance.
Two words for Romney? Steam roller, obama gone, business plan, last chance.
Report Post »CaliforniaD
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:45pm@Clive: You deserve another four years of Obama and, then, hopeless liberal dominance after that because you are so prejudiced against Romney. Romney is a Reagan conservative and is potentially the finest president of the times. But you are helping to cause his rejection and dash the hopes of saving the country. The country is being Californiaized and you are helping to cause it.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:47pmWow this is a fun game!
Report Post »Ragnars Repos
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:55pmYour choice is between a communist and a Progressive Mormon-cult member.
Good luck with that, Americans.
Frankly, I’d rather have communist in front of me than a death-worshiping, backstabbing Progressive conservative behind me.
I couldn’t bring myself to vote for either of these men. Both will contribute to the erosion of human liberty equally. One will do it for his neighbor, and the other will do it for phantoms in the sky.
When you vote for ‘the least of two evils’ you are still voting for evil.
You know what Obama is about. This should sum up Romney and his ilk nicely:
“Give me a reasonable amount of liberty, with a side of social(ist) safety net, or give me death!”
americanfirst
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:58pmMitt Romney is an OUTSTANDING man and leader.
He will PROVE to be one of our very best presidents ever.
Impressive to see that liberal propaganda still carries this much weight among the “so-called” conservatives.
Vote Mitt Romney 2012 if you want this country to take a diametrically opposed position to Marxism!
Report Post »DavidInStLouis
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:00pm“And obama beat mccain easily, which will happen again.”
And your not voting is going to help Obama win. :_(
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:02pmwow ATILLA. I can just FEEL the love!
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:05pm“Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it,”
What is false about this statement? I admit I don’t know exactly how many wives J. Smith had, and all of the lying accusations are outrageous– but
REALLY, Romney, Mormons, you didn’t know this day was coming?
Now, I am going to vote for Romney, and I love and trust Glenn Beck–but really?
Grow up and look at the truths which are just so many elephants in the room.
The Joseph Smith and the golden tablets story sounds eerily like that of a very different prophet who kept going off into the forest to get God’s messages. Big difference is that the Mormons are a very hospitable, hardworking, tolerant bunch….That’s all good enough for me, but the Mormons would do well to get their Joseph Smith, golden tablets, holy-underwear-with-holes-in-it, talking points together. The questionable points of your history will persist until you deal with them. C’mon, you’re on stage.
The “I don’t have to answer, your judgement of my religion is taboo”– doesn’t really work these days, what with all the Reverand Wright stuff and the CAIR stuff encouraging people ask legitimate questions.
Report Post »DavidInStLouis
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:06pmATILLA THE HUNNEY (sp?)
Sometimes you have to go THROUGH your ‘ememy’.
Why don’t you join us fellow patriots, vote Obama out (one down) and vote Romney IN… so you can then vote Romney OUT in 2016 (if you want to) and then chalk up TWO DEFEATED imbeciles (in your eyes) as we then move forward!? : )
Report Post »black9897
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:11pm@KENSZEN
Paul supports freedom, which means for everyone. Even though myself and probably most Paul fans think it’s morally wrong we also understand that not everything that’s morally wrong should be illegal.
I don’t think it’s a false understanding, but I do think he needs to be mindful about Islam and what it’s all about.
Well, even if he does, he sure doesn’t do it to the extent any other does. He’s the most consistent candidate.
Um..RP people don’t do that.
No one is distorting facts. Romney is not as bad as BO, but he might as well be. He sure doesn’t believe in anything RP does.
We have faith. Besides, it doesn’t matter. The message of freedom is already here. Even if he’s not elected people won’t tolerate this horrible Government much longer.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:16pm@Ragnars repo = = Ignorance Alert!!!
@Getalife = = Ignorance Alert!!!
Really, how some non-Mormons set themselves up to be authorities on what we believe is so blatantly hilarious it needs no comment. Just an Ignorance Alert!!!
And they claim that THEIR viewpoint is the enlightened one for this election? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:26pm@Black9897 You are the MOST reasonable RP-er I’ve ever encountered. And yes, they do in fact do just that. Just peruse the comments section of not just The Blaze, but any website in the world. RP-ers disrespectful behavior and words turned me off long ago. Couldn’t even bring myself to learn about RP because of it. My experience has taught me that in any organization, the attitudes, words, and actions are a direct result of the person at the top through either example or by allowing it.
As far as freedom goes, Ron Paul certainly is for it, but he nor does his supporters do not hold a monopoly on that passion. Except for the most radical Liberals, I believe that most Americans are for freedom. I believe that Romney is also for freedom. But for many, many Ron Paul supporters, it quite very frequently, often, many times, and on numerous occasions happens that if someone does not agree with THEIR definition, or RPs definition of freedom–whatever that may be–you are a communist, a progressive, a–what have you. Name calling, whining, adversarial, etc. etc. etc.
You, sir, are one of the few, if maybe the first RP supporter I’ve encountered to appear to be civil about disagreements.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:30pmOops…
“supporters hold a monopoly”
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:37pmIt’s great to see all the liberal trolls hard at work trying to curb the enthusiasm for Romney. We haven‘t even had the conventions yet and Obama is already so desperate he’s got stooges pretending to be too conservative to vote for Romney, and posting anti-Mormon garbage on the Blaze. Sorry girls, not falling for it. I don’t care who Romney prays to – he‘s a businessman and it’s all about the economy this time around. I’m not voting for a pastor.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:43pmWell, there you have it KENSZEN!
Report Post »You hit the nail on the head! There are indeed few non-Mormons who know what modern Mormons think about Joseph and the golden tablets and so on and so forth– because Mormons seem reluctant to talk about it all clearly and concisely –although most don’t ridicule, as you have done.
Borrowing a word from Glenn Beck, whom I hold in the highest esteem, COWARDS!
LameLiberals
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:44pm@ Brother Winston Smith
Exactly! It is also why the GOP wants Romney – to keep the status quo. The GOP could CARE LESS about the Constitution as long as business is not impeded which Obama is doing.
I will vote for Romney – AND GAG doing it. Romney is WORSE than McLame and both Bushes who are 3 other GOP nominees who I voted for ONLY because they were the lesser of two evils.
Our country is too big and too broke. I keep saying we should PEACEFULLY split up. let the states form into several countries. Give Calfornia and Nevada back to Mexico – they are taking it anyway. Arizona will at least fight.
Report Post »LameLiberals
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:45pmClive – please vote for Shxty Mitty. he is better than Obama.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:47pm@KENSZEN
Well, most of the RP-ers I know and have seen on this site seem to be fine. Maybe I missed some? I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences with them. Well that could be. But I’ve never seen or heard of anything RP doing that would seem to encourage such behavior.
“but he nor does his supporters do not hold a monopoly on that passion.”
I certainly agree with that.
Yeah, and I would say they shouldn’t assume one is against freedom simply because they don’t’ support Ron Paul. I think what it is, is this: RP has backed up what he’s been saying for years and years with action. These other guys haven’t. So when people come along who honestly are for freedom and then support Romney or BO, it causes confusion and anger, then they lash out (which they shouldn’t’ do). I don’t think Romney or BO are setting out to destroy America, they may honestly believe what they’re doing is right. However, a lot of what they have voted on and believe in, etc is clearly against the Constitution and freedom. By “freedom” I mean someone who actually follows the Constitution and doesn’t support any law that would go against that and wants to keep Gov. out of our lives. Not saying I agree with everything in the constitution but getting someone in there who would follow it and drastically slash Gov. would be a great start.
Thank you. I try my best.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:04pmThose who would like to know more about Romney’s belief system do not all fall into the category of the nasty tweeters in this story.
Report Post »ONTHEMARK55
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:18pmTo Clive & Hunny,, don’t let lousey candidates prevent you from your duty as a citizen(we send people every day to die for the right) to vote. As a Christian, I can’t reconcile voting for either option, so i’m going to excersise(not pushups, Michele) my Write-in option! Maybe if people would do this more often we’d get someone worth voting for, otherwise, what’s there incentive if we stay home. Just a thought
Report Post »liberty_for_all
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:19pmKeep in mind that “By their fruits ye shall know them”
Report Post »Gates
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:34pmWhat is so unbeiveable to me is that we have reached a point in this country that we would even consider either candidate. Both parties are big money based but in the our history we have never had two candidates that are so flawed. Obama is our worst nightmare come true and his communist leanings and direct attack on ideals that made us great is frightening. What’s worse is that we as a society have almost half the population that agree with him.
Report Post »And Romney isn’t much better. His brlief system is truly beyond anything that remotely resembles Christianity and the majority of voters don’t even realise it. Nor do they care!
The question is “have we already gone to far to recover”? Without a doubt we are close.
justangry
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:46pm@Kenszen, Where do you get your perspective on foreign policy from?
Report Post »db321
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:08pmCLIVE – you are a miserable waste of breath. Do your family a favor and go play on the Highway. While, I have a breath left, I am going to do everything I can to defeat Obama. Your wrong about Romney vs Cain.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:16pmNeither Obama nor Romney is my choice..There is one Christian..that got strong armed out by the RNC and that is Ron Paul.. a Southern Baptist. But of course. to keep this from Romney would discourage what I believe to be the Free Mason Joseph Smith’s dream to bring about the “end of days”prophesy and to rule..“the white horse” prophesy.. I understand that Mitt yjr High Priest will be reining in the temple in DC or maybe somewhere else..Anyway…its’ going to be cool no? NWO is on the Mormon horizon backed by the Federal Reserve. We already know that Goldman Sachs one of the biggest recipients of TARP which went to Sharia Compliant Banks is one of Mitts biggest contributors. I will write in Ron Paul..and I am betting that most of the people in the US will do so also… Iceland was successful recently..
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Hobbs57
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:26pmYou people are disgusting, ignorant, and certainly not Christians. I find it hilarious that you condemn the Mormons, while living your lives in fear while being directed by the dictates of the flesh and ruled by your king, Satan. It is you people Jesus warned of and I knew you weren’t practicing the faith which would bring me closer to God long before I began actively practicing my Christian Faith. I could see in you eye’s, an empty body, absent a soul and spirit of Christ … You people have hurt far more people than you ever helped. Which, by the way, if you believe helping others to show you are a good person is the path of righteousness, I will assure you, you are dead wrong.You are only serving your own ego and pride. Such a fine line there is between serving Christ and adversary, and you people have no clue such a line even exists. Instead, you praise knowledge, believing you are like God, knowing good and bad, as Satan uses fear to keep you from discovering the true nature of yourself. You better hope the Mormons are right, and you are offered the opportunity to accept Christ before your moment of judgement, or you will only ever know eternal damnation and bondage. It is you people who have caused the left to lead an attack on Christians, push God out of the public, and why so many people want nothing to do with church.. Ignorant jag-offs, would even have your own blood persecuted, the lot of you. I am glad you aren’t voting for Mitt,, Karma WILL get you !
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:09pm@KENSZEN: Just peruse the comments section of not just The Blaze, but any website in the world. RP-ers disrespectful behavior and words turned me off long ago.
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Above is a quote from your response to BLACK9897. Since reading that post here are some excerpts from other posts of yours:
@Ragnars repo = = Ignorance Alert!!!
@Getalife = = Ignorance Alert!!!
Really, how some non-Mormons set themselves up to be authorities on what we believe is so blatantly hilarious it needs no comment. Just an Ignorance Alert!!!
@Clive = Ignorance Alert!!!
@Tketterer = Ignorance Alert!!!
I could include more but I’m tired of cutting and pasting and you get the idea I hope.
If it’s only Ron Paul supporters who are so disrespectful how would you explain these comments? Or is it the old song of both establishment parties; the rules are for you other folks, not for us? Don’t bother with a response. I’ve followed and supported Ron Paul since 1988. I already know the answer to the question. Peace.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:55pmGetlife;
“The questionable points of your history will persist until you deal with them. C’mon, you’re on stage.
The “I don’t have to answer, your judgement of my religion is taboo”– doesn’t really work these days, what with all the Reverand Wright stuff and the CAIR stuff encouraging people ask legitimate questions.
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If you read The Blaze much you can open front page posts regarding Mormonism and easily come across many, many, many, posts responding to critics. I think for Mitt Romney himself, he is very wise not takng “you’r a Mormon cultist” bait. He is very wise to not make this campaign about his religion.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:00pmOnthemark;
“so i’m going to excersise(not pushups, Michele) my Write-in option!”
A much better response than not to vote at all.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:07pmAshestoashes;
Wow, you got a lot of ideas that need burying now. Joseph Smith became a Free Mason to leanr of certain trtuths they practiced but that’s it. He held no power to speak of of any sort beccause of it. let alone power enough to muscle out Ron Paul. Dr. Paul, who does have some really good ideas, is looney enough to muscle himself out of the GOP campaign. Had he run wit the Libertarian Party, he’d still be on the forefront in their party, not taking the back seat to anyone. Simply put, he’s libertarian, not republican.
The white horse prophecy is meaningless. It holds no weight. There is not Mormon drive to rule the world. There is no Federal Reserve-backed movement for Mormons to take over. I’ll leave that up to the Red Skull, COBRA, or other comic book villains.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:10pm@HOBBS57 I find it quite a coincidence that you chose a moniker that reflects the name of the detective Denzel Washington..Hobbs in the movie “Fallen” where the evil spirit Azazel goes from person to person inhabiting them..and then at the end..the spirit gets in Hobbs..and causes his death…Oh and Karma? I don’t recollect Jesus using that term..I believe that reflects religions of the occult.. The Mormons are not Christians..they are Mormons..with their own book..THey are very priveleged people..WHen they die..depending on how high up in the church they go..they will own their own planet and be their own Gods..THat is a different gosphel from that of the Jesus that I know.. Of course..Mitt is a high priest in his organization..I also understand that Mitt goes to Bilderberg meetings..and he is the banker’s darling..so now..where is the criticism..Is that bad? Or is that good?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:11pmThere is much about Romney’s campaign to like. I like his opposition to Obamacare. I like his approach to return the decision making otthe states. I lie his foreign policy of America being strong, his position to lower taxes, make the budget managable, and on immigration. He’s not only far better than Obama but should do quite well as president.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:28pm@DARREN Sorry Darren..Facts are facts..Are you a Mormon..If so..how high are you? Mitt is a High Priest and the Mormon religion is not to be made light of.. As for being a banker boy..he is..It is on record that the banking cartels are funding him..even though I get a phone call from him periodically sounding like an auctioneer begging for money.. And as for the NWO..that is what the Federal Reserve Rothchilds have been about since at least as far back as Hitler and probably long before..A lot of English and Frenchmen like the Rothchilds and Rockefellers were and are into that is my understanding..And as for the secret societies..It is said that the Rothchilds are of the tribe of Dan. Dan was the bastard child of Jacob and Rachel’s maid Billah..Jacob prophesied that Dan would be the serpent that would strike the heel of the horse causing it’s rider to fall back.. Gen 49:17
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winin2012
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:41pmClive, you attitude of “not voting at all” is, forgive me, stupid. Imagine if 6 million “Conservatives” think like you–Obama will most certainly be re-elected. If this happens, h0w many more SCOTUS will he appoint? Not to mention other Federal Judges. Also, since we know Obama will skirt (and I am being kid here) the constitution in an election year, what do you think He will do when He is unbridled, or has “more flexibility”? He may create full amnesty for ALL illegals, institute Obamacare, print who knows how much more money and violate the constitution in ways we cannot even imagine.
Report Post »I do not care how much you dislike Romney, if you love America, you must vote. If you do not care about America, Her exceptional ism, heritage, the American Dream and Capitalism, don’t vote. But if you don’t vote, don’t you ever complain. You will have lost that right. BTW. have you given thought that with an Obama second term there may not be a 2016 election? Come on Clive, wake up!
soybomb315
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:45pm@YourVoiceMatters
Report Post »Dont lie to the people. There are more than two choices. Tell me why Mitt Romney is better than Gary Johnson
ashestoashes
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:48pm@THE JERK.. I like you more and more..good post….. But to the rest..everyone is always so astonished at how the “Jews” are in our government..in our movie industry. ..voting Liberal at the polls..Obama being named as in the top 50 of the most influential Jews.. Did you ever stop to think that the word Jew means torah observant and obedient to God the Father..Do you really think that the “Jews” I named are really Jews? They are not..They are Zionists..meaning they are the greedy power hungry Zionists/Communists..See? You always wonder..and the answer is right in front of you..Rev 2:9 I know you who call yourselves Jews who are not..but are the synogogue of Satan,.
Report Post »Free_Thinker
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 10:39pm@ ATTILA_THE_HUNNEY
You are the walking talking example of my Grandmothers saying “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot instead of opening it and removing all doubt”.
I‘m an atheist but have studied many religions and if the Mormons God is a false one then so is yours because it’s the same one. It’s idiots like you that make comments about other Christian religions that make Christians as a whole look stupid.
Report Post »BrainWasher
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:08pm@ashestoashes,”The Mormons are not Christians..they are Mormons”
Baptists aren’t Christians, they are Baptists. and Southern Baptist most certainly aren’t cuz they even south of Baptist. Pentecostals aren’t Christians they are Pentecosts and Presbyterians are Presbyterians and Methodists are meths, and Lutherans are luths…… you all are just like the people in the bible calling themselves after someone else -1 Cor. 1:12 (11–13)
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:05am@ Kenszen another useless idiot
how about we look at what the founders of the C U L T of moreman really says huh?
racists
Prophet Brigham Young (1801 -1877):
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so. The nations of the earth have transgressed every law that God has given, they have changed the ordinances and broken every covenant made with the fathers, and they are like a hungry man that dreameth that he eateth, and he awaketh and behold he is empty.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 110
not just the old guys either ===
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 – 1985):
“However, in a broad general sense, caste systems have their root and origin in the gospel itself, and when they operate according to the divine decree, the resultant restrictions and segregation are right and proper and have the approval of the Lord. To illustrate: Cain, Ham, and the whole n e g r o race have been cursed with a black skin, the mark of Cain, so they can be identified as a caste apart, a people with whom the other descendants of Adam should not intermarry.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 114
truly it’s too easy to make you m o r m o n look stupid – you don’t even know the teaching of your own C U L T lol
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:14am@BRAINWASHER..The protestants all worship the same Jesus…The JW’s and the Mormons do not..The protestant religions follow after the Jesus of the Bible.although some like the Presbyterians and the Methodists have started allowing gays to be ministers..they have fallen away..But JWs and Mormons have their own books and their own gosphel..there is a big difference. You should try reading what people who have left the Mormon Church have to say about it..It is a real eye opener…their religion is a secret society.. The reason I feel most people get into it is that they help their brothers out in business..there is money to be made in the Mormon Church..Look at Beck…Smooth operator. Even though Beck says he is just an entertainer and a rodeo clown..look at his leadership of these people. I would dare to say that he leads from the Mormon Church.
Report Post ».The Mormons and the JW’s from my understanding were funded by the Rothchilds in the 1900s and Joseph Smith.their founder was a Free Mason..I understand that they own a few media outlets also..The Mormon Church as I understand has worked to be the “end of days” world leader….
Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:00amAshes;
“Are you a Mormon..If so..how high are you?” A a Mormon I don‘t do drugs so I’m not high at all. Currently I’m serving as executive Secretary in our war but I do miss my Nursurey calling where I watched the 2-3 year olds. I’d go back to that any time.
“Mitt is a High Priest and the Mormon religion is not to be made light of.. ” So are all LDS males of his age.
“As for being a banker boy..he is..It is on record that the banking cartels are funding him..” Wow, now we have “banking cartels”. Watch out Zetas, da’ bankers are here!!!
“And as for the NWO..that is what the Federal Reserve Rothchilds have been about since at least as far back as Hitler and probably long before..” Why am i not surprised that Hitler got dragged into this conversation? Probably because your conspiracies are about as stupid as “blaming da’ Jews” for society’s ills. But you added biblical prophesy to this? So you’re like a Bible-reading Alex Jones hip hop artist or something?
“The Mormons are not Christians..they are Mormons..with their own book..THey are very priveleged people..WHen they die..depending on how high up in the church they go..they will own their own planet and be their own Gods..” Yet another consipracy to bury. And I’m not surprised to read in your response to “The Jerk” about your pointing to Jewish Zionist/Communists.
Get a life, sir.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:08amBlessedone;
Looking stupid would be your problem, not the mormon’s. Please apply context to your citations:
“Brigham Young’s comments can be read as a condemnation of abuse and rape of helpless black women, and not necessarily as an overtly racist statement condemning interracial marriage in all times and places.
In 1863, couplings between black women and white men would virtually always be a relationship of a staggering power imbalance, with few rights for the woman, who was often forced into sexual activity. Her children would have been automatic slaves if she was a slave, and the men under no legal responsibility to provide for her or the children. (This failure to provide for offspring was a common Mormon criticism of Gentile non-marriage relationships when contrasted with plural marriage.)
Unlike contemporary 1860s fears for the virtue of white women when subjected to the predation of black men,[1]. Brigham was far more worried about white men abusing their position of political and cultural superiority.”
(continued)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:23am(con’t);
“This is not to say that Brigham did not share some ideas about the desirability of keeping races separate; virtually everyone of his era did. American ethnologists taught that whites and blacks were separately created races, the mixture of which would corrupt both.[2]
But, when in the same speech Brigham Young condemns the whites for their treatment of blacks, and threatens punishment for white men who have what is likely forced intercourse with black women, it is not fair to portray him as a ravening racist with no concern for the downtrodden. His fire and brimstone is all for the aggressor; his sympathy is for those who were mistreated.”
http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Brigham_Young/Race_mixing_punishable_by_death
The same applies to Bruce R McConkie who also after the 1978 revelation giving the priesthood to all worthy male members of the LDS Church renounced his and all other statements from LDS leaders regarding race. He simply aknowledged that they (including himself) spoke with limited knowledge. For great information on blacks and the LDS church, feel free to search through the following ink:
http://www.blacklds.org/
Report Post »jeffersonian1776
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:10am@DavidinSt.Louis, here your kind goes again, blaming us “Republicans” for Romney’s loss in the election which is now inevitable. You were warned several times by us so-called Paulites that we were not voting if there was no one to represent human liberty in this election. Well, it will be funny when y’all are blaming anyone other than Romney for his loss. And I will sit back and watch this circus realizing how much most people will sell their freedom and liberty for anything that can be subsidized.
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:27amDarren = another IGNORANT C U L T member!
YOU ARE BRAINWASHED!
PROOF you are stupid:
mormons have been teaching this for decades:
Brigham H. Roberts authored the six-volume Comprehensive History of the Church. In 1921, a man investigating Mormonism asked Roberts to answer five questions. These questions vexed Roberts, because he could find no suitable answer. He then posed those same five questions to LDS President Heber J. Grant, Grant’s counselors, the Twelve Apostles, and to the Quorum of the Seventy. They too, were unable to provide suitable answers. These five questions are:
Linguistics. 1) Why, if the American Indians were descended from Lehi, was there such diversity in their languages, and why were there no vestiges of Hebrew in any of them?
THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE IT’S A LIE FROM SATAN! THE HUMAN GENOME DIVERSITY PROJECT PROVES THAT THE BOOK OF MORMON IS ALL LIES AND THAT THE NATIVE AMERICANS ARE FROM ASIAN DECENT!
evil lie number one proven to be a lie by ARCHEOLOGY!
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:36amQUESTION NUMBER 2) Why does the Book of Mormon say that Lehi found horses when he arrived in America? The horse did not exist in the Americas until the Spaniards brought them over in the sixteenth century.
ONCE AGAIN – THE LIE OF THE BOOK OF MOREMAN TEACHES NOTHING OF VALUE BUT THE RANTINGS OF A PAGAN DRIVEN BY SATAN!
ARCHEOLOGY PROVES THE BOOK OF MOREMAN WRONG!
NUMBER 3) Why was Nephi stated to have a bow of steel? Jews did not have steel at that time, and no iron was smelted in the Americas until the SPANISH COLONIZATION!
see these are called FACTS which are either proven or disproven by SCIENCE – which I personally love very much [SCIENCE PROVES THE BIBLE TRUE]
QUESTION NUMBER 4) Why does the Book of Mormon mention “swords and cimeters” when scimitars (the current spelling) did not come about until the rise of Islam after 500 A.D.?
SEE all of these stupid things in the book of MOREMAN are lies – this boy never saw Gabriel – he talked to SATAN if anyone!!! ARCHEOLOGY PROVES YOU WRONG PAGAN – REPENT!
QUESTION NUMBER 5) Why does the Book of Mormon mention silk, when silk did not exist in the Americas at that time?
SEE silk was not in the America’s until King James wanted the colonies to grow the silk worm in 1623,
all of these questions are proof that you follow a lie. all of the history is made up by the pagan joey smith… follow him right to hell if you say you are mormon
BlessedONE333
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:41amDarren can’t actually answer the 5 questions – because to do so would be a LIE proving he is from satan!
lol
Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth (History of the Church, 4:461). If that’s true, why has it been subjected to thousands of corrections and alterations since it was first published? Also, some of the LDS scholars to whom I referred in the second paragraph found that the American Indians are genetically more similar to Asians. No Hebrew link can be made through DNA analysis. NONE – the HUMAN GENOME DIVERSITY PROJECT reveals that not one Native American comes from the jews – not one tribe. none.
liar liar pants on fire! you follow your false prophet to hell and rant about it on the way down! wow – God said you would be BLIND, DEAF AND DUMB!
maybe you should take those ear muffs off pagan!
ahahahahahahahahahaahahahah
I love science and I love to make fun of you ego driven morons! it’s just too much fun for me!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 3:57amWhen someone puts religion into the discussion, people get real ignotat because nobody truly believes the same thing. All religions have their own interpretation of the interpretation of the interpretation of the Bible. Get a grip people!! I do not care what religion a candidate prescribes to, but I do care about his core philosophies. Mitt just does not do it for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS9SF3vc-A
I want someone who tells the dam truth!!!
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:15amJeffersonan, I agree with you totally. The Republicans that post on here just do not get it. Why would you vote for the establishment pick that you know 15-20% of your own party are not voting for the establishment pick, when you know that the opposite party ou tnumbers you? They do by a small percentage. They alienate a part of their party that they desperately need to get their candidate choice elected. Independents are 40-45% Paul. 15-20% of the Republicans are Paul. 50-60% of the youth are for Paul. How in the world is it that drives them to think they can get their candidate elected? The media! Fox News! They are blinded by the stars in their eyes, I think. You are right when you say they will blame Paul and not Romney. If you look at the support of both candidates at their rallies and the numbers that fought for delegate spots, it is clear who is in tune with the people and who is disconnected. ???????????????
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:49am“He is very wise to not make this campaign about his religion.” –DARREN
Unfortunately, Romney is not the ultimate decider of what his campaign will be about.
Voters have a right to question, and they will. Undecided voters who have not been paying attention, will get their campaign news from the anti- Mormon msm.
Your attitude– basically telling me “leave personal beliefs” out of it– is not a good idea.
Report Post »Not responding to nasty attacks is one thing.
Not answering legitimate questions from Romney supporters is cowardly.
GETLIFE
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:29am“He is very wise to not make this campaign about his religion.” –DARREN
Just wanted to add that I read The Blaze just about everyday– including the comments, and no, I have not seen “many many many” (more like any any any) which explain to non-Mormons the thoughts that prominent successful Mormons have regarding J. Smith and the golden tablets and/ or other “colorful” yet fundamental tenets of their religion. Such a discussion is blatently lacking, and I can’t help the thought that the silence is in deference to Mormon leadership.
Report Post »One Man Mormon Blues Band
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:00amClive, you just decided to vote for Obama.
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:50amCLIVE don’t vote for the guy, vote for the future of America and that does not lie in commie hands.
Report Post »noczars
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:00pmYou will see Clive and the next twitter guy are STILL dreaming about Ron Paul. And they KNOW what they are doing by NOT voting. They want Obama because he shapes the world in a way closer to THEIR heart.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:38pmObama-worshippers apparently forgot about Jeremiah Wright. They have no logical or moral high-ground with Obama’s religious choices from which to throw stones at Romney.
Report Post »cachapaboy
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 2:01pm@BlessedOne333
Am I supposed to believe that you, who writes with such vitriolic hate in your messages, are a follower of Christ? You can find 5 questions to ask ANY religion which would seem to ‘disprove’ its veracity based solely on what science tells you. Didn‘t Paul say to the members of Christ’s church in Corinth ‘Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth’? I believe science supports religion when looked at through the lens of faith – but you seem to completely discredit any concept of faith.
You know, I’ve never seen a Mormon on these posts trying to forcefully convert someone to their faith, but I have seen a hundred attacks on Mormons made in bad faith by those who claim to be ‘Christian.‘ If you spent as much time reading the good things I’ve read about the Mormon church and the charity work they do as you do reading anti-Mormon literature and memorizing talking points about out-of-context quotes from Mormon leaders, perhaps you would at least think twice before spewing out such hate-filled paragraphs.
You keep referring to Mormons as ‘from the devil.’ Let me tell you – when I read your comments I get the same feeling I get when I see something I know is evil in my heart. Mormons aren’t perfect, and they don’t claim to be – but heaven knows I’d rather talk to a devout Mormon about God than you. At least for the most part they carry Christ’s countenance far better than you might claim to.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:48pm@NoCzars, You have us all wrong. We are just not going to vote for Romney. It is not about us liking Obama or that we like his policies, but the fact that if Progressive Romney is elected, we will have to wait eight years to try for a Liberty candidate again. If Progressive Obama is re-elected, we only have to wait four. To us it does not matter which side of the aisle a Progressive is from, they are the same. Jeb Bush seems to think so: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/jeb-bush-praises-mitt-romney-says-he-has-common-ground-with-obama/
Report Post »The other reason is the criminal acts done by the RNC and state GOP establishment hacks against Paul supporters. I have been a Republican all my life (36 years) and what I saw this primary was worse than anything the Democrats have done when it comes to election fraud. If you guys are OK with that, then you deserve what we you get. Romney will not win without Paul supporters, disenfranchised Dems and the youth vote. You guys will be to blame as we gave you the vital information with plenty of time. We have been saying this since February and I cannot help it if you guys either do not take us seriously or just are blind. So be it.
GETLIFE
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:56pmIt is for the Mormons to dispel misconceptions about their church. They are the ones with the extra prophets and writings interposed between the Bible and the believers. But defenders of the Mormon faith tend to concentrate on commonalities among Christian faiths, whereas non- Mormons want to know about the differences– and here the Mormon attitude seems to be– have to join to find out.
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:10pmso clive then you are useless…you just contradicted your own argument. you wont vote now because you think obama will get more votes. so then vote. every election is “who you dislike the least” and there is no garuntee that 2016 will be anything different. there is no reason a “real conservative” couldnt come up during romney either. you work EVERYDAY in a free society. not just every 4 yrs and not just when you loose. you want to wait until the ‘perfect moment’ then fine. but dont complain the next 4 if obama gets in. understand im really not trying to be rude. but i get tired of people stating they wont vote “because they dont like the candidates” as if its some sort of favor or enlightened gesture. its not. its giving up because of all the people that do that i rarely see anyone of them run themselves.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:05pmBlessedone;
“1) Why, if the American Indians were descended from Lehi, was there such diversity in their languages, and why were there no vestiges of Hebrew in any of them?”
the Book of Mormon does not say that the native americans are descendants of Lehi. it only says that Lehi and his family, and the Mulekites, and the Jaredites are *part of* the Native american ancestery. Now, if you want to say that “linuistically-speaking” that Mormonsim is a satanic lie than you need to at least keep up with the latest studies. Meet Brian D. Stubbs. He’s a linguistics expert who is fluent in Semitic and Native Aemrican languages. His research has been extremely well received amongst doctors of linguistics which show a very high level of Semitic patterns in the Utu-Aztecan language family. There’s six You Tube videos you can view for yourself as well as great articles written either by Stubbs or about Stubbs. I’ll provide you with one article link and the first of the six You Tube video links.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=5&num=1&id=112
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxrllcMkqS4
“2) Why does the Book of Mormon say that Lehi found horses when he arrived in America? The horse did not exist in the Americas until the Spaniards brought them over in the sixteenth century.”
You’ve been watching too man “My Little Ponies”. Again, you need to keep up with the most recent studies.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:25pm(con’t);
RE: Pre-columbian ghorses – “Despite the scant archaeological data which supports the claim that horses existed in pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, and least one non-Mormon scholar, M.F. Ashley Montague, suggests that the horse never became extinct in America. According to Montague, the size of post-Columbian horses provides evidence that the European horses had bred with native American horses. (Cheesman, 194, 181.)
Lastly, we must acknowledge that there are archaeological remains which suggest that the horse survived in Book of Mormon times. In 1957, for instance, at Mayapan (a site corresponding to Book of Mormon lands/times) horse remains were discovered at a depth considered to be pre-Columbian. Likewise, in southwest Yucatan, non-Mormon, Henry Chapman Mercer, found what may likely be pre-Columbian horse remains in three caves. Excavations in a cave in the Mayan lowlands in 1978 also turned up horse remains. (Sorenson, 1992, 99.)”
http://www.mormonfortress.com/horse.html
“ARCHEOLOGY PROVES THE BOOK OF MOREMAN WRONG!”
Really? Dos archeology prove that king David never rules Jerusalem? That lions never lived in ancient Isreal?
“3) Why was Nephi stated to have a bow of steel? Jews did not have steel at that time, and no iron was smelted in the Americas until the SPANISH ”
Jews ABSOLUTELY had steel long before Nephi. (con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:50pm(con’t);
As cor cinmeters – “As for ”cimeters” – “Cimeter is one of a number of spellings used in nineteenth-century America for the word that has become standardized in more recent English as scimitar. The dictionary defines scimitar as, “1: a saber having a curved blade with the edge on the convex side. . . . 2: something resembling a scimitar (as in sharpness or shape), esp: a long-handled billhook.”42 The primary distinction between a scimitar and a sword is that the former has a curved blade.”
“Clemency C. Coggins, a specialist in the Maya civilization, believes the modern machete “to be a direct descendant of the wooden sickle-like tools found [preserved] in the Cenote” or well at Chichen Itza.45 Hayden observes that “such a tool might also serve for defense against predators, snakes, and strangers while in the field”; consequently, “the agricultural tool and the weapon may have been one item.“46”
That establishes an “ancestor” to the scimeter n the americas. And, once again, as I mentioned in a previous post, it is important to place your posts into context. In this case, Boo of Mormon context. remember, the cimeter would be used for taking care of crops / plants… (con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:53pm(con’t)
“Sometime around 200 BC, Zeniff recorded that his people were attacked by the Lamanites while they were “feeding their flocks, and tilling their lands” (Mosiah 9:14). When the survivors fled to the king, he had to arm them quickly. Thus “I did arm them with bows, and with arrows, with swords, and with cimeters, and with clubs, and with slings, and with all manner of weapons which we could invent” (Mosiah 9:16). Nothing is said of what materials were used to make these arms, but given the emergency situation it is plausible that they used or based them upon tools that they already employed for everyday purposes, such as wooden implements for clearing vegetation and slings and the bow and arrow for hunting. Since the Lamanites were without armor at this time, even such relatively crude weapons could have been effective.”
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:55pm(con’t)
‘A curved wood weapon with inset stone blades. While the Book of Mormon cimeter may have been a curved wooden blade, the Nephite and Lamanite use of armor, starting in the battles of the first century BC, could have brought about a need for more effective blades. In a recent study of Mesoamerican warfare, Hassig describes a curved, clublike weapon that he labels a “short-sword.”47 He knows of their presence only from the post-Classic codices (after AD 1,000).48 This device consisted of a curved piece of hardwood approximately 18 inches long with obsidian blades inset into its cutting end. Hassig credits this slashing weapon with a number of characteristics that clubs, for example, could not provide.49
Such a weapon may have survived right up to the Spanish conquest in highland Guatemala. One Spanish account of a native tradition relates that “the weapons with which it is said they fought were bows and arrows and certain cutlasses that they say were made of flint.“50 The curved form of the end of the ”short-sword” could justify the term cutlasses.
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“Other curved weapons. The possibility has been suggested that a strange double-curved weapon held in the left hand of the warrior figure on the Loltún cave relief (see p. 34) might be considered a scimitar/cimeter.55 ”
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=8&num=1&id=182
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:58pm(con’t);
“5) Why does the Book of Mormon mention silk, when silk did not exist in the Americas at that time?”
“The production of Old World ”silk” requires both silkworms and the mulberry trees upon whose leaves they feed, which critics have charged is impossible.
However, there are several examples of silk or silk-like fabric in pre-Columbian America:
wild silkworms do exist, and some commentators insisted that the Amerindians spun and wove it from their cocoons
hair from rabbit bellies was also spun into a cloth dubbed “silk” by the Spanish conquerors
floss from the ceiba (silk-cotton) tree was made into a “soft delicate cloth,” kapok.
fibers from the wild pineapple were also prized for their ability to be woven into a fine, durable fabric
cotton cloth in Mexico from A.D. 400 is “even, very fine, and gossamer-thin.”[1][2]”
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Animals/Silkworms
Answers are there if you bother looking for them. My suggestion is to a) Keep up wit the latest studies and b) keep things in its context.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:04pmBlessednoe;
“Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth (History of the Church, 4:461). If that’s true, why has it been subjected to thousands of corrections and alterations since it was first published?”
The vast majority of those corrections are grammar. They revise the Hebraic form of writing to modern English and the others were from errors made at the printing press. Very few changes were made in the text itself. And it is the most perfect of all books since it more plainly testifies ofthe divinity of Christ. More than any other book. By so doing it authenticates the correctness of the Bible.
RE DNA. you said, “No Hebrew link can be made through DNA analysis. NONE – the HUMAN GENOME DIVERSITY PROJECT reveals that not one Native American comes from the jews – not one tribe. none. ”
Except when you include the more recent findings of Haplogroup X.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/DNA.shtml#x
Keep up with the studies since your faith is based upon it and not the voice of God.
“liar liar pants on fire! you follow your false prophet to hell and rant about it on the way down! wow – God said you would be BLIND, DEAF AND DUMB!
maybe you should take those ear muffs off pagan!
ahahahahahahahahahaahahahah”
I spoke like that once myself. Then I started kindergarten in the same year as my fifth birthday.
Report Post »lovenfl3
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:07pmActually the Martin Bashir segment was a classic….even by liberal standards. He started off by saying that religion should be off limits, and then went on a rampage against Mormonism. The hypocrisy of the media shouldn’t surprise me anymore but it still does. And where is the media on the real facts behind Fast & Furious? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqgR_1XRbJU Even Fox News has been absent on the real facts.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:08pmHey Soros are you a homosexual , are you and Obama soul mates , are your reading this, I hope you or one of your Trolls is reading and watching, we know your games of divide and conquer. Obama has been doing that since he took office and not much else, you could have at least used someone with common sense and business sense but you choose someone with no sense. We know how much you invested in the left, well Satan whom you look like at least in my nightmares was also a left wing liberal democrat but I will stand on the right with Jesus Christ , who is seated on the right hand of the Father.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:59pmGetlife;
“Just wanted to add that I read The Blaze just about everyday– including the comments, and no, I have not seen “many many many” (more like any any any) which explain to non-Mormons the thoughts that prominent successful Mormons have regarding J. Smith and the golden tablets and/ or other “colorful” yet fundamental tenets of their religion.”
Than you have not read my posts, have you? There’s also P8triot, Joel228, and others. Strange that you’ve missed us all. stanger still is that the responses tend to be cyclicle. That is, after the attacks are made, the responses are given and then the exact same attacks are made again; often by the exact same people. Yet you’ve missed the show? Weird.
If you care to make note of the answers given here tonight, feel free. It’ll change you from a frog to a handsom prince / beautiful princess.
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:00am“Than you have not read my posts, have you? There’s also P8triot, Joel228, and others.”– DARREN
Sorry DARREN, my fault. I wasn’t specific enough, that is unless you guys are Romney, Beck, and Reid. That’s kinda what I meant by prominent successful Mormons. Also, what I meant by J. Smith and the Golden Tablets is… well, exactly that– you know, the forest, the apparitions, the missing golden tablets–that stuff. No one’s really getting into that here.
Unless you can point me to sources of these prominent successful Mormons commenting on the origins of their church in a meaningful way–
you are just proving my point.
To repeat what I have already stated– I cannot help but think that this silence is in deference to church heirarchy and leadership– and therein lies the source of the doubt and worry of the undecideds. Personally, as stated above, I do not fall into the undecided category, and I have no problem with the Mormon church. You might take the time to consider my comments as coming from a faithful member of Beck’s movement who is simply able to imagine how those who can still possibly be “undecided” are going to decide who to vote for. .
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:07am“Sorry DARREN, my fault. I wasn’t specific enough, that is unless you guys are Romney, Beck, and Reid. That’s kinda what I meant by prominent successful Mormons. Also, what I meant by J. Smith and the Golden Tablets is… well, exactly that– you know, the forest, the apparitions, the missing golden tablets–that stuff.”
Ummmm, who brought these issues up? What is it you’d like to know? These tpoics are not brought up hardly at all so that’s probably why you have hardly read about them. Frankly, ther’s not much to say. Apparations are accepted enought in the bible so why not Joseph Smith. He received golden plates as testified by him, 11 others ho never recanted their testimony that the existed, and given back to the Lord when their purpose was ulfilled. Joseph Smith was frequenly ridiculed for even making the clai to golden plates saying that people did not use such a method to keep records. Nowadays it’s been established that they indeed did.
“Unless you can point me to sources of these prominent successful Mormons commenting on the origins of their church in a meaningful way–
you are just proving my point. ”
Nether Romney, Reid, of Beck‘s carreer s based upon the golden plates or Joseph Smith’s apparations. Fankly, why should they be. Each of these men believe they are true for each have received personal witness as to its truth. (con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:14am(con’t)
“To repeat what I have already stated– I cannot help but think that this silence is in deference to church heirarchy and leadership– and therein lies the source of the doubt and worry of the undecideds.”
I disagree. For those who are not sure that they will not vote for Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney’s a mormon, I’ve been very consistent: Good then don’t. I’ve never cared to pursuade them than to say, “good luck with that no vote since he’s up against Obama”. Also, for the critics ofthe Church, we can have the utopian of responses and that won’t silence them. It is most definitely not from the lack of responses available that critics abound. Look at “Mutiny” far below. While he hasn’t made a stink today, he’s one who has been responded to time, and time, and time, and time again yet still makes reference to the same aguments. He’s very typical to the tiresome dialogues which occure between LDS members and their critics.
Report Post »tothepoint
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:17pmThis is typical lefty ridicule which Alinsky taught to all his cult followers.
Report Post »SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:48pmTrue, but harry reid is a mormon f**kface. Its not the mormon part that bothers me.
its the face.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:48amhey tothepoint, which part of kenyan, muslim, marxist, homosexual is not in the Alinsky playbook. Stop playing the victim for once in your life.
Report Post »When does the discussion start on how billions of dollars are going to be wasted on negative campaigns by both sides at a time when all that money could be used for something useful?
Robamney 2012…because nothing will change no matter what happens. (except if Romney wins, Glenn will no longer be relevant as there will be no one to hate on)
Blazebanned
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:13pmVerbal attacks on Romney are of no importance,its the physicals ones that are, and i believe before the election, there will be attempts on his life,paid for by dws and soros…….
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:20pmthe one to be most concerned about is hacked drones being used to kill him.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:24amBlaze, I disagree with you, Romney is part of the establishment pick. Paul is the one who was always at more risk as he is against the establishment and FED, and he is the only candidate that turned down secret service protection, as he believed it was wrong to charge the people $50,000.00 per day. He said he was a private citizen, and if he believed he needed protection, he should pay for it himself. That is being a true American. The last POTUS that defied the FED ended up dead. Think about it.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:13pmi just see it impossible to vote for one because of their beliefs and how they see certain people.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:22pmYeah, you are correct. Barry hates White People. Go Figure
Report Post »zoo9guy
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:30pmWhat do “they” believe? Feel free to vote otherwise, but I would think “they” can’t believe anything that wild. Please educate me to what you disagree with, thanks.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:36pmRacism, Anti Antisemitism and National Socialism are the worst of it.
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:48pmWindy, you display most of that which displeases you. Weird huh?
Report Post »hallkbrdz
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:37pmMuslim (Obama) vs. Cult follower (Romney).
You’re right – not much choice there!
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:59pmFUBARED:
Report Post »Of course. He’s an activist…nothing more, nothing less.
bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:55amYeap, I won’t be voting for Obama based on his radical beleifs.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:09pm…
Why is no one criticizing the selfish, anti-Christ, Muslim-In-Chief, that’s living in the White House?
I’ll vote for the Mormon any day, over the Muslim.
Mormons are not selfish. They believe in planning for tomorrow. Not only stocking up for themselves and their family, but stocking up enough supplies for their neighbors too.
Look at Glenn Beck. He’s Mormon. He’s a good guy. He’s a man of true faith. He loves God and his fellow man, with all his heart and soul.
Does anyone remember those great family values ads, the Mormons used to run on TV? They were the best spots on TV. The message was always family values, morals, and love one another.
Report Post »wzanesdad
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:31pmAbsolutely agree…..and I wonder if Frank and odonnell will mention that harry reid is also a mormon? hmmmm….
Report Post »Clive
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:56pmObama claims to be a christian.
Mitt Romney is a Mormon.
Many Christians consider Mormonism a retarded cult full of false “prophets”, “banishment”, magical holy underwear, etc… I’d rather vote for a scientologist.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:31pm@Clive = Ignorance Alert!!!
Report Post »Drugstore Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:43pmI was a beckbot for years until he started bashing Newt Gingrich. Newt changed Washington in 1994 for the better when Glenn was being a “dirtbag”, now Glenn is brainwashing his followers. Please look at this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcnFtqYSHpU
Report Post »wzanesdad
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:32pmspeaking of newt….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5XbOvaceRA&feature=player_detailpage
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:18pmand that proves that genn beck is not wrong about his religious believes?
Report Post »Cavallo
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:09pmIf you believed they would lay off his religion… then I have some land in Florida to sell you and a Bridge in NY that would be a steal.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:37pmTolerance & diversity only applies to to the right. The libs are above any such notion. They only spew intolerance, allow no diversity of thought and harbor dripping hate for those that disagree. And the best part, they claim to be the enlighten ones.
Report Post »MRMANN
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:49pmExactly
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:07pmThe best way to tell the true character of a person is not always by who their friends are, but rather by who their enemies are.
This is a perfect example of the left’s WAR ON RELIGION. Even if you’re not a “Mormon” don‘t think your religion won’t be next. As this shows, all it takes is for a member of any religion to get in their way.
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am proud of my religion and will defend it till my dying breath against such disgusting attacks. I’m sure most feel the same way regarding their own religion.
Report Post »CaliforniaD
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:57pmWell said. I agree totally. Too many traditional conservatives are falling for the anti-Mormon/anti-religion propaganda by atheist liberals and extreme conservatives. I fear this is the key factor that dooms America.
Report Post »Drugstore Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:50pmDo you really believe that Jesus and the devil were brothers?And if you say yes, tell me where that says so in THE BIBLE. Not your morman book!!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 5:54pm@DRUGSTORE PATRIOT –
You’re missing the point. I’m not here to prove you wrong or prove me right. What I’m saying is that ALL RELIGIONS are under attack. My religion is simply in the cross-hairs first because Romney is a threat to Obama.
“What unites us in religion is far more important than what divides us in the capacity to speak up for religious freedom.”
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:58pm@P8riot
Report Post »Months ago, during the heat of the primary, I asked you what would happen if the Democrats started to attack Mormonism and how the ignorant public could possibly understand a religion they know nothing about. At that time, you assured me that the Mormon religion and the leaders within it were more than adequate to defend and repudiate any attacks…..Now you indicate that specifics should not be discussed and that you seek shelter under the general umbrella of ‘religion’. What gives?
brother_ed
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:34am@P8RIOT
I am reading Nibley’s “The Prophetic Book of Mormon”. If you haven’t read it yet, I highly recommend it.
People may attack us and declare the B of M a fabrication, but it is here and must be explained. Bro Hugh does a great job dispelling the attacks that Ms Brodie, Eduard Meyers and others have used to refute the book.
You and I believe it to be what it claims to be; others do not. I do not call them idiots for not believing. Why call me an idiot for believing? Oh well, it will always be thus.
I appreciate all of your comments defending the Church. I have learned much from you. Thanks.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:46am@DRUGSTORE PATRIOT
Try Revelations chapter 12. Who are the players? What caused the war? Who are represented by the stars? Look at verse 9. What was Satan doing in Heaven? Is it possible he is one of God’s spirit children who went bad? Aren’t we all brothers and sisters because God is our Father?
If you are looking for a specific verse that says “Jesus and Satan are brothers”, you won’t find it.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:42am@BROTHER_ED
Thanks for the kind words. As a matter of fact, I always enjoy reading your posts as well. I’ll definitely buy that book soon when I get a little more time. I’m transitioning from civil litigation to prosecution – so you might need to handle the anti-mormons by yourself for a few weeks :)
@Soy – you make a great point. Honestly, I underestimated how much this issue would divide the right – but I still believe it doesn’t effect the middle and the left at all (most lefties believe ALL religions are irrational). I‘ll admit that I’m disappointed at how many people here on the right (most Blaze readers) fall into the “ignorant public” category.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 5:17pm@P8riot
I‘ll admit that I’m disappointed at how many people here on the right (most Blaze readers) fall into the “ignorant public” category.”
I’m a Ron Paul supporter – believe me, i understand what that is like
Report Post »broper
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:06pmTo have been born into any faith is fate, and to embrace the faith of our fathers is a given for most of us. People are free to criticize Mormanism for its theology, but people are out of line to criticize Gov. Romney for his faithfulness to his religion. Shame on them. Worshipping as your parents worship is as natural as learning to speak the same language as your family. Where was this hypocritcal criticism when Senator Harry Reid was named Senate Majority Leader? He and many others in Congress are Mormons. Once again, a double-standard is the normal-standard in liberal America.
Report Post »tketterer
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:17pmI agree with most of this, but please understand that Mormonism to romney is above politics and will effect his decisions. Check out white horse prophecy and realize that they believe that the constitution is divine and that once the one strong and might (romney), they will attempt a theocracy.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:44pm@Tketterer = Ignorance Alert!!!
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:44pmTKETTERER – they will attempt a theocracy? Will they use their magic unicorn army to help them? Will the Mormon Tabernacle Choir spread out and drug all of our drinking water?
Report Post »brotherjohn
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:46pmWhile it is true that it is natural for one to worship in the same way as their parents, make no mistake about it, the LDS faith has as many converts as members born into the faith. I am a convert as is my wife. In fact, our entire stake presidency (think archbishop and bishops) are converts to the faith. Every one of us chose to become members of our own accord.
Report Post »In fact, there are more members outside of North American than within and the faith is growing exponentially in places like South America and Africa, as well as in many areas of the US.
GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:47pmTkett… Again, stop spreading these ridiculous lies. The number of Mormons who believe your white horse crap is zero.
Report Post »Handsome Pete
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:50pmI am yet to meet a Mormon who:
Report Post »a) Believes Romney has anything to do with the white horse prophesy
b) Believes that our current form of Constitutional government should be replaced with a theocracy (before the 2nd coming of Christ, at least)
edmundburk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:30pm@bproper- my family is baptist/evengelical, i am catholic so whats your point?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:12amTketterer;
“I agree with most of this, but please understand that Mormonism to romney is above politics and will effect his decisions. Check out white horse prophecy and realize that they believe that the constitution is divine and that once the one strong and might (romney), they will attempt a theocracy.”
Also under Dennis Mathews: “nope they don’t believe Jesus is ONLY begotten son of God. They believe that God impregnated Mary and that God is not the ONLY God.”
Man, Kensen’s “Ignorance Alert” was just…way too inadequate to describe these posts. You’re such an ingoramus.
Report Post »DudleyDoRight
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:04pmOf course ther are going to be attacks on his church. Look, I’m going to vote for him but I am not very happy about it. He belongs to a cult, for crying out loud. I wish the Republicans could get a born again, real Christian on the ticket. I mean, Romney seems like an OK guy but, have you ever read the Book of Mormon or The Pearl of Great Price or Doctrines and Covenants? I’m sorry, but no rational person can believe those three books AND the Bible.
You can belive that Adam and Eve sinned and, because of that, we have the fall of man and we are all born sinners. You can believe that there is a punishment for sins – eternal seperation from God in the lake of fire. You can believe that Jesus IS God (and NOT a created being), that he was born of a virgin, lived a perfect life and died on a cross for the sins of the world. You can believe He bodily rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. You can believe that faith alone in Christ alone is sufficient to have your sins forgiven and to get you to heaven someday. You can believe Jesus is physically returning for His chruch. OR you can be a Mormon – you can’t do both. It really is that simple.
Mitt Romney may be a great politician, He may make a great leader of the free world. He may be the best husband, dad and businessman this nation ever knew. But he is NOT a Christian.
Like I said, I will vote for him but I sure do pray that the Republics will, eventually, get a Chrsitian in the White House.
Report Post »Briggston
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:27pmFunny, Mormons if you actually studied their doctrine believe in all the above. Although some interpretations on scriptural meanings accepted by main stream Christianity might be a little different. But every point mentioned above is in their beliefs and their books of scripture.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:42pmDudley;
I hope your reasons for voting for Romney are better founded than your obvious (mis) understanding of his religion.
Report Post »klr56
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:05pmWell, Dudley, you obviously have not read the books you mentioned because they all witness that the Bible is true. Don’t you believe in the Bible?
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:18pm^ Not me ^
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:45pm@Dudleydoright = Ignorance Alert!!!
Report Post »DeathRattle
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:46pmI believe a likely large part of the Mormon church do not know what the Journal of Discourses and or the Mormon doctrines are, if they did they would see clearly that Bible does not jive with either. There have been numerous archeological findings that are in perfect conjunction with the Bible, not one of the lands, peoples, currencies, dwellings etc have ever been found. It’s too steep to overlook. I believe the Bible on faith, but science has also proved it time and again. I would hope some Mormons take a good look before Christ returns, I have known and worked with several Mormon believers, all of them good people. Beck is a damn good man, more guts than most and I respect him for that…..but…. I cannot help but pray for him before time runs out.
Report Post »RedNeckMormon
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:50pmDudley, your a glittering jewel of ignorance, because if you knew anything about LDS doctrine you would understand that you just described your average Mormon. Oh, by the way. our Church is named after the Savior of mankind, what is your church’s name you idgit?
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:54pm@Deathrattle Are you kidding me? Not aware of the Journal of Discourses or the “Mormon doctrines?”
Ignorance Alert!!!
Report Post »HI_Don
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:55pm@Dudley,
Report Post »Well that’s quite a list, very Christian sounding and despite one or two minor differences in the way one sect would phrase things from another I think most Christians (Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Protestant, Pentecostal, Mormon, etc) would have little against it. By the way, I’ll ask your question to you…Have you read the Book of Mormon (Another Testament of Christ), The Doctrine and Covenants, The Pearl of Great Price, and The Bible? I have. In fact I taught the Old Testament last year and will be teaching the New Testament this year. I have found not only all of them to be in harmony with each other, but also found them all to be as much in harmony with your list of criteria above. Yep, Christian all right. Thanks for the back up. I’m a believer, and I’m a Mormon. See you at Church. -Oh, BTW, we are not a Cult as you seem to charge. We follow only Jesus Christ. In fact we refuse to pay any man or woman to lead us. Every six months we televise a worldwide conference-April and October-watch for yourself and bet you will not find ONE speaker in the three day event that doesn’t invoke, speak of, and give praise to Jesus Christ. To check now go to LDS.org and view the archived conferences. 100% Christian messages, guaranteed.
JediMormon
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:16pmMitt being a Christian or not is a matter of personal opinion, pure and simple. Only God can judge that. However, Romney‘s religion shouldn’t even be a consideration in choosing a president. Mitt is a highly moral man, and knowing that is good enough for me. He’s also the best financial fix-it man on the planet right now, something this country is in desperate of.
Report Post »Drugstore Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:35pmBefore you cast that vote for Romney, I beg of you to watch this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcnFtqYSHpU
Report Post »AggroSka
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:38pmWell Dudley. I dont know how you can claim to know about all of that with out looking into it. I served a mission for the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints and I all did was talk to people about their belief in CHRIST and how to better their lives. All I did was invite them to find out more and find the answers for themselves. There was nothing that had anything to do with a cult involved.
Report Post »Oh and isn’t it strange that Christ claimed to be the savior of the world and everyone fought him and he eventually lost his life because of this claim and on the other hand the Church of JESUS CHRIST is fought against all the time by everyone? Why would anyone care about what the church does if there wasn’t something true about it? We believe in Christ. We are Christians. I promise you that.
DeathRattle
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:35pm@Kenszen
If you are aware of these then please explain to me how the Mormon beliefs such as these;
God used to be a man on another planet (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354).
How do these stand up to what the Bible says? Salvation is through Jesus Christ alone yet the Journal of Discourses says different, how does that work, you cannot believe in both at the same time they are mutually exclusive.
And how is this for ignorance alert;
The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461.)
There is ZERO proof beyond what Joseph Smith says.
There are many in the LDS church that do not know these things, those I pray for.
Report Post »BlessedONE333
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 1:01amlol funny but Briggston – you are a moron!
one more time for the slow people…
the lies of the C U L T of moreman is racist, blasphamous and most idiot members don‘t even know their own church’s history!!!
Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 – 1985):
“However, in a broad general sense, caste systems have their root and origin in the gospel itself, and when they operate according to the divine decree, the resultant restrictions and segregation are right and proper and have the approval of the Lord. To illustrate: Cain, Ham, and the whole *** n e g r o *** race have been cursed with a black skin, the mark of Cain, so they can be identified as a caste apart, a people with whom the other descendants of Adam should not intermarry.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 114
The Doctrine & Covenants states:
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, …Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; …and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, …and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then
Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:03amDeath let me answer with another question: Was Christ once man like us? Did Christ have a Heavenly Father whom He could call His God just as we can call Heavenly Father our God? Is Christ God? And can the glorified, resurrected Christ properly be called “perfect man,” as he was called by the early Christian father Ignatius (”To the Smyrnaeans,” 4, The Apostolic Fathers, 2nd ed., translated by J.B. Lightfoot and J.R. Harmer, ed. and rev. by M.W. Holmes, Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI, 1989, p. 111)?
We know some intriguing details about Christ – that He once was man (or like man, though Only Begotten Son of God), that He was divine, that He died and resurrected and sits on His throne with the Father, with whom He is one. One can speculate on analogies between Christ and the Father, but we know essentially nothing about the “history” of God the Father except that He is eternal. Lorenzo Snow, a President of the Church, once said as you quoted earlier “As man now is, God once was: as God now is, man may be.” This controversial passage is clearly applicable to Christ, a God who became mortal for a time and yet was still and is still God.
Cont…
Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:05amCont..
His work made it possible for us to become as He is, in a limited sense, for we can receive glorious resurrected bodies (Phil. 3:21; 1 Cor. 15:40-45), we can become “joint-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:14-18), we can “put on the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4-10), and we can become “like him” (1 John 3:2). Indeed, Christ even went so far as to say, “Ye are gods” (John 10:34), in reference to the divine potential of human beings.
While He and the Father are the one true God, whom we will always worship, He does want us to become more like the Father (Matt. 5:48) and that possibility is there because of Christ. Thus, thinking of Christ and our relationship to Him, what Lorenzo Snow said is accurate. However, it appears that Lorenzo Snow’s quote also applies to the Father, indicating that He also experienced a period of mortality, but we know nothing specific. But before you let the idea of “God once being like man” offend you, remember that it is explicitly true about Christ Himself. If Christ were the same being as God the Father, then it would also be true of the Father as well, so non-LDS critics who accept the doctrine of the Trinity shouldn’t get so upset.
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Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:06amCont…
Of course, we believe that God and Christ are separate individuals, one in purpose, heart, and mind. But, in the spirit of pure speculation, let me ask if it is possible that Christ, during His mission on the earth, was doing that which He had seen the Father do? In John 5:19, Christ said “The Son can do nothing, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Some people have speculated on what is meant by John 5:19 and on what Lorenzo Snow meant, but we do not know and I get very nervous when people pretend they know. Certainly there are many difficult and foolish questions which can be asked in this arena. The important point is that God, Christ, and man are of the same “species,” and that man has divine potential to become more like Christ and the Father (e.g., see Romans 8:14-18; 2 Peter 1:4-10; 1 John 3:2). This concept was understood by the early Christians.
Knowing who Christ is makes me very suspicious of anyone who says that we will become EXACTLY like Him. The Bible teaches that we can become “joint heirs” (Rom. 8:14-18) and can become “like him” (I John 3:2) and indeed, need to become like him (Matt. 5:48) and be one with him (John 17:21-23).
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Report Post »Lux
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 6:09amStronger still, Paul in Philippians 2: 5-7 seems to urge us to pursue that goal, not through puffery, but through humble service:
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant….”
However, I sense a world of difference between the “small g” gods that Christ mentioned (John 10:34) in speaking of the potential of humans (my view) and God the Eternal Father, who is the one and only everlasting God (see also I Cor. 8:5,6). The reference to humans as potential “gods” is clearly meant in a limited sense, but the word God uses nevertheless is “gods.” Obviously, we know too little to explain anything in depth about the next life and about “the glory that shall be revealed in us” (Romans 8:18). We are like microbes looking up through the microscope and speculating about the Scientist who observes us. We are children, following after our very wise and mature Father, knowing little more than a young child does of the things of God. This we know: the glory is to the Father (and Christ) forever. May we return to their presence.
If you have any further questions, or need further explanations on our doctrine feel free to ask. You can also find answers to any questions you may have about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at http://www.lds.org or http://www.mormon.org. http://www.fair
Report Post »Darren
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:05amDudleydoright;
“You can belive that Adam and Eve sinned and, because of that, we have the fall of man and we are all born sinners. You can believe that there is a punishment for sins – eternal seperation from God in the lake of fire. You can believe that Jesus IS God (and NOT a created being), that he was born of a virgin, lived a perfect life and died on a cross for the sins of the world. You can believe He bodily rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. You can believe that faith alone in Christ alone is sufficient to have your sins forgiven and to get you to heaven someday. You can believe Jesus is physically returning for His chruch.”
Since I believe in the teachings of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great price I believe in each and every one of those things.
Am I born again? Are you and I gonna be married forever to Jesus? Can’t wait!!!
Report Post »REETZBEE
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:03pmAt least we know Romney is a Mormon, what is Obama? I think the Black Liberation Church Obama used to go to has more in common with the Muslim faith. At least Romney doesn’t want to destroy America.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:35pmAnd what do you do in the Morning at the Zoo?
Report Post »ComradeAdam
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:52pmFrom what I’ve seen, Black Liberation Theology is the anti-christian point of view. They have made God in their image and seek to rewrite Christ’s teachings from within. Christ taught us to love God and our neighbors and be responsible for our own actions. Black Liberation Theology teaches that we are not responsible because, like Christ, we are victims of the evil opressors that deserve hatred not love. They belittle and mock God as being a different God from the one to whom the slaves prayed. Mormons are taught to follow the teachings of Christ keep God’s commandments. How can anyone believe Black Liberation Theology is Christian and Mormons are not? By their fruits ye shall know them.
Report Post »flatbroke
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:00pmThe left has nothing left to complain about, so they attack Romney for being a mormon. well i saw that movie too, about the planet zoltron, and jesus and lucifer being brothers, and the folks who were neutral in the fight between jesus, and lucifer were cursed to be born with black skin. I dont know if i believe that, that is what mormons believe or not , but we are suposed to have freedom of religion in this country, and their our religions that believe even more bazzaro things and at least mormons are not blowing themselves up, and trying to kill people at the same time, so they can ware whatever they want, purple undies, i would wrather not know what undies people are waring, as long as they are decent people.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:50pmJust want to assure you that, no, we do not believe the things you saw in those movies made by anti-Mormons or disaffected, ex-Mormons. There are portions in those sources that are true, but it is muddled with falsehoods. It would be like watching a Ford movie on how Chevy’s are built.
I appreciate your view points and ability to keep above the religious bigotry and ignorance being (not surprisingly) displayed in the posts on this story.
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:40pmthis is a classic case of of the protestant problem; ALL TRUTH IS RELETIVE.
Report Post »101stIraqVet
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:00pmI bet if Romney was a gay Muslim the left would love him… Right???
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:59pmAs a lifelong Mormon, who comes from pioneer stock, as well as pre-constitution supporters of this country, I find these people head shaking stupid. I live a decent, moral life and strive to love everyone, as Christ taught. I am happy, joyfull, and enjoy my life, trials and all because of my faith. What do these people have? Besides, I know the end of the story. Good luck all you haters. Oh, and I know I am not perfect-working on it but have a long way to go.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:11pmLife is a Pilgrimage– and glad for the company.
Report Post »Want our country back
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:25pmJenny, so your a mormon…..
here are a few headlines (FROM THIS WEEK ALONE) that the HOLLYWOOD CHRISTIANS are touting.
-Bill Maher Calls GOP ‘The Party of the Apes,‘ Says Allen West Belongs in a ’Padded Cell’
-Maher: Conservatism Not an Ideology, ‘It’s Just About Being a Dick’
-Joy Behar: Gay Conservatives Only Think with Their Penises
-Cher Cites ‘Revolution’ As Solution Against Racist GOP (6/25/2012)
I don’t know anything about being a mormon but I do know that Mitt loves his God, his country, his family, works hard (isn’t always golfing or partying), presents himself as a gentlement, seems happy and I think he’ll be a GREAT president and just what this country needs in her hour of darkness.
Also, I love Glenn because he has the same attributes that Mitt does…. what’s not to love.
GO GOP2012
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:56pm@jenny- having been in a “Jesus only church”(they believe that any demination that subscribes to the trinity is going to hell.) you seem to subscribe to the “I am moral, so my believes are orthadox”.
Report Post »not everybody who is moral is orthadox.
Denise Matthews
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:57pm“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Mormon’s are Christians too. God didn’t say depending on their denomination. We know that Muslim‘s don’t accept Christ as God‘s only begotten but Mormon’s do. Get back to the Word of God and quit listening to distortions of the truth.
Report Post »tketterer
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:28pmnope they don’t believe Jesus is ONLY begotten son of God. They believe that God impregnated Mary and that God is not the ONLY God.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:52pm@Tketterer = Yet ANOTHER Ignorance Alert!!!
Report Post »scottsusa
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:40pm@tketterer – if you don’t beleive that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, then you don’t beileve (or understand) the Bible. Please explain to us Luke 1:28-35, John 1:14-18, John 3:16-18.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:57pmHey shout out to you “jack” mormons, loved the skiing,the parks ,and one heck of a great time while stationed there.Mountains and a trolling motor to drag a keg…
Report Post »brntout
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:04pmSorry in the state of Utah. Your Beehive staties are like our Flying Tire salesmen.
Report Post »Alex
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:56pmI’ve heard this kind of word vomit my whole life from people who “care”. None of these people have given me any reason to believe that their opinion really matters. I’ll stick with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, thank you.
Report Post »TEIN
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:54pmAnd when Harry Reid was re-elected, no issues of the same religion was raised….the Libby/Progressives….THE problem of the USA….
GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:54pmI’m a Mormon and I think Romney is a liar. It has nothing to do with his faith. Mormonism encourages being honest with others and with yourself in every aspect of life and faith. Romney’s problems with telling the truth are inherent in his politics, not his faith. He is a typical politician who has a maniacal desire for power… he’ll do and say anything to get into the whitehouse.
Mitt Romney should be viewed as a politician first. This, not his religion, explain his lies and deceit.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:57pmCould there really be anything worse than what we have now?
Report Post »de31372
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:05pmYou are a liar, and I do not attribute that to your faith, just your politics.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:05pmHKS… It could get worse (just wait 20 or 30 years… our leaders are getting exponentially worse every cycle). I’m not saying Romney is worse… I think he’d be better than Obama.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:15pmDE… Clever. Thanks for that condemnation.
If I were to defend Romney’s dishonesty and justify it somehow I would be ignoring reality. That would be dishonest.
Report Post »klr56
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:10pmSo Gilbert, you must be a Ron Paul supporter, since some Mormons that I know just love Mr. Paul and believe many of the negative info that he has put on his website. Romney is not perfect but he is immensely better than the current POTUS. Hope you can get on board.
Report Post »tketterer
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:32pmNot inherent in his “religion?” Really? Then please explain lying for the lord and the fact that joe smith was denouncing polygamy all they while performing it? Please? If you know?
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:42pmKLR… You are correct. I’m not as extreme as some Paul supporters (the ones who were vomiting and and wishing death and hell upon Rand when he endorsed Romney)… but I’m not going to ignore who Romney really is.
If I were voting today I would vote Johnson. We’ll see what happens between now and November. There would have to be some major improvements for me to get on board the Romney train wreck.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:58pmTketter… if you want a history lesson on the subject you brought up, here is a good place to start…
http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-im-abandoning-polygamy.html
He never performed it. Even many Mormons are confused about this. Did Brigham Young perform it? Definitely (and he didn’t denounce it)…. but Joseph Smith didn’t.
Luckily my beliefs aren’t founded upon the acts of these men… but upon Christ being the Savior and the Son of God. I strongly believe in Christs words he spoke in the Bible and other scripture.
By the way… if you are Catholic, for example, I will not judge you based upon the acts of all the past Popes throughout the centuries (some of which aren’t too pleasant). Your own acts and your own convictions of the Christ are what is important.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:19pm@gilbertacct “By the way… if you are Catholic, for example, I will not judge you based upon the acts of all the past Popes throughout the centuries (some of which aren’t too pleasant). Your own acts and your own convictions of the Christ are what is important.”
Not even close. You are comparing popes who came well after the Catholic church was founded and we‘re corrupt to the guy J’S, who thought of, wrote the manual for and changed a religion go suit his personal desires and whims. Big difference.
I don’t have a problem with Romney as an LDS as he was born into it and had little chance to understand what he was being taught. It is people like GB who “studied” and still chose to believe in the Book of Mormon that I wonder about.
Report Post »GilbertAcct
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:30pmSaranda… do some more studying on the Popes and how they changed the original church (to suit their personal whims). Mormons obviously don’t believe that our religion was made up by Joseph Smith. Non-mormons obviously do believe this. Not worth arguing about.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:26pm@KLR56, Can you give me an example of something Ron Paul is putting out about Romney that isn’t true?
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 9:10pmIs‘nt funny that all the anti catholic evengelicals aren’t here bashing mormens or trying to convert them, even though mormens are NOT orthadox and at least 60% of protestant theology is based on catholism? and their even DEFENDING THEM, I guess it;’s true,protestants would rather back a unorthadox sect rather than cut the orthadox catholic church some slack when it comes to matters of faith.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:53pmLOL @ the two comments from #ObamaInTwoWords that you chose to juxtapose the Romney ones. You’re like, “oh, but CONSERVATIVES have nothing but POLICY to describe Obama with!”
Give me a break. Readers, go look at those Twitter feeds for yourselves. Here’s a few gems penned by conservatives on the first page alone, that The Blaze selectively ignored:
Is Niger
Nig-ga
Socialist Idiot
Bloggers on this site are untrustworthy and pull this kind of stuff all the time. Absolutely no integrity.
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:01pmHey Betsy, where you been lurking? Looks like you wrote something, but why read it? Anything under your Betsy avatar has proven to be pointless drivel-histrionic at best, Betsy. Good day.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:12pmThe part of the horse that you represent is hidden. You are irrelevant
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:14pm“Bloggers on this site are untrustworthy and pull this kind of stuff all the time. Absolutely no integrity.”
Report Post »Can’t help but notice that you live down to your own statement.
Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:18pmCan‘t help but notice you’re avoiding the obvious dishonest of the article.
I thought y’all were “addicted to fact,” or some tripe like that.
Report Post »disenlightened
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:38pm@BEST_PATRIOT
wash….rinse….repeat
Report Post »wash….rinse….repeat
PPMStudios
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:40pm@ Best_Patriot
The ‘point of the article’ is this; Romney’s faith. Since no one is telling you ‘what’ or ‘how’ to believe, why do you care what Romney believes in?
All you knuckle-heads out there slagging Romney for his belief; The First Amendment GIVES each of us the right to believe however we wish…
If you believe in Mormonism, great! If you believe in the Holy Trinity as main-stream Christianity teaches, great! If you believe you believe in nothing at all, GREAT!
Who cares what someone else believes??? Most of you folks come across initially sounding Conservative and/or Libertarian but then you complain about what another believes? Give me a break!!
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:43pm“Addicted to fart” is more like it.
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:21pm#ObamaInTwoWords
Speak Austrian
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:18pm@PPMSTUDIOS –
Agreed 100%
BTW – From your profile pic, I presume you own a German Shepherd? I’ve been thinking about getting one, but have 4 young children (7 years and younger)… how are they with kids?
Thanks!
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:11pmP8triot
Report Post »Any big dog can be great with kids, if brought up with kids, shepards included. Would not advise bringing an adult dog into a home with kids. Get a puppy from a decent breeder and have hips checked/guaranteed.
P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:00pm@FUBARED –
Thanks so much. I’ll do that. I’ve never heard of having the hips checked/guaranteed – so I’ll definitely look into that.
Report Post »PPMStudios
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 7:55am@ P8RIOT
Agree with FUBARED. Get a Deutsche Schäferhunde (German Shepherd Dog) as a puppy. As it grows, it will instinctively come to protect your children and family.
We had them growing up and I’m now on my fourth. I’ve got a 3 year old (my avatar) and I‘ve got one that’s almost 1 year old. They’re highly intelligent, loyal, and make a great family pets. I’ve seen them get between kids (theirs) and strangers giving the warning growl “Stay away from these kids!” They will protect your kids! Just work with them, play with them, and you’ll have no worries… Mine have even gotten between me and a ‘close talker’ before… You don’t train them for that, it comes naturally.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 11:45am@PPMSTUDIOS – Thanks! I mentioned this to brother_ed above, but I’m transitioning from civil litigation to prosecution and am thus looking for a protective dog (I’ll obviously be getting on the bad side of some bad people). From what I‘ve heard on this thread I’m definitely going for a Deutsche Schäferhunde.
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:52pmNot a communist.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:56pmThat’s three words, ******. Tea can’t count, big surprise! HAHA
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:02pmhaha, this site censors the word Bag – ger.
sensitive? I guess so!
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:05pmBetsy-
Report Post »Looks like he was going with “who cares, he ain’t a marxist” like your boy 0. Glad you could make it up to 3, progress can be good, just remember the baby steps and don’t over tax yourself. Cookie and juice box time?
Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:10pmTea can’t count! Up next: spelling.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:52pmTypically in those kinds of contests, simple filler words such as “of” or “a” don’t count. That some “enlightened message board crusader for social justice” takes such time out of his day to go tottering around like a kindergarten tattle tale when he catches simple inconsequential errors in order to stoke his own ego and reinforce his superiority complex is really quite sad. Fortunately or unfortunately for you my pity is non existent for pathetic internet crusaders, so I will just say, get a life, or add some real substance to your argument.
Point out any errors you find, and then see how much I care. I wouldn’t recommend holding your breath.
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 7:59pmBetsy really should do the breath holding thing. Do it Betsy, do it for the one manned truth teams. Take another one for the gipper Betsy. What’s with the horse Betsy?
Report Post »brntout
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:51pmReally,The lips on the freeze frame says it all.Larry get a real job ,cause you look and sound like the fool (tool) that you aspire to be.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:50pmRomney can govern irrespective of his faith. Leave that part out of the discussion as we left Obamas Muslim faith out of the discussion.
Report Post »Best_Patriot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:18pmIrony.
Report Post »Fubared
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 8:12pmHey Betsy, what exaclty do you know about irony? That is some funny crap, Betsy.
Report Post »bekhiet
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 10:55amChief, you couldn’t be more right.
Report Post »The Sergeant Major
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:36pmChief! A calm voice in the garden, Thanks!
Report Post »de31372
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:47pmBigotry is prevalent enough throughout the world, but the left takes both bigotry and hypocrisy to new heights with its attacks on Romney’s faith. The irony is that these left wingers are guilty themselves of the exact same behavior of which they accuse others. This is a classis left wing tactic. Are you ready? http://www.bigrede.com
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 2:43pmMormons love the word bigot.
Report Post »Kenszen
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 3:58pm@Mutiny Only because people like you love being one.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:02pmMUTINY loves the words “cult”, “followers of satan”, and “orgies in heaven” to describe members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:19pm@p8riot
I normally only quote from your early prophets. Its their crazy words, not mine.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 4:46pm@MUTINY –
Actually, my quoted words were yours, not those of any prophet.
Don’t try to victimize yourself now.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 6:39pm@p8riot
Now you are just lying.
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 9:04pm@MUTINY –
Great! :)
So you therefore do NOT profess that we are members of a “cult”, “followers of satan”, or want to have “orgies in heaven”?
If yes, then I apologize – have a great day :)
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 12:20amAs I said earlier. In most of my posts I take quotes from your prophets. Its not in my words, its in their words. This particular thread, I havent done it because I havent seen the need.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:44pmThe left is desperate. They are imploding. They will attack anything and everything if it means getting Obama re-elected. It just amazes me how making enemies with 3/4 of the countries citizens is worth having power for a few years. History tells us again and again, civilizations like this don’t last long.
Report Post »101stIraqVet
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Report Post »theblazerunner
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 1:38pmTop secret: $80B a year for food stamps, but feds won’t reveal what’s purchased
Report Post »http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/24/top-secret-what-food-stamps-buy/
GETLIFE
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 8:37amRead the 1092 page Agriculture Reform Food and Jobs Act of 2012, which the Senate just passed and sent to the House. The SNAP (new name for foodstamps program) legislation is stuck right in the middle somewhere, hidden and out of sight.
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