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Mormons, Catholics, Baptists & Jews Come Together to Plot Defense Plan for ‘Religious Liberty’

Mormons, Catholics, Baptists & Jews Discuss Religious Liberty in D.C.

Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention (AP)

Conservative faith leaders of all stripes gathered on Thursday in Washington, D.C., to discuss the future of religious freedom in America. This event is the latest in a series of developments that were sparked by the Obama administration’s controversial contraceptive mandate. What started as a Catholic protest against the regulatory structure has expanded to include people of all faiths.

(Related: University of Notre Dame Sues Obama Admin Over Contraceptive Mandate)

Little did the federal government suspect that its new regulations forcing religious groups to provide birth control free of charge would create such a wide-ranging firestorm among divergent faith communities. Religion News Service has more information about the collaborative effort that is underway:

Like-minded religionists of several denominations — including Southern Baptist leader Richard Land and Baltimore Archbishop William Lori — gathered in Washington Thursday (May 24) to organize a response to what they see as the sorry state of religious freedom in America today.

“We must all be willing to stand up and tell the government ‘no,’” said Land, who heads the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. “Secularists don’t like people of faith because the ultimate authority for us is not the state. The ultimate authority is God.”

Sponsored by the Ethics and Public Policy Center’s American Religious Freedom Program, the daylong summit attracted conservative Catholics, Baptists, Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians, Mormons and others, almost all of whom painted a dismal picture of religious freedom.

Mormons, Catholics, Baptists & Jews Discuss Religious Liberty in D.C.

While there were some stark calls, like Land’s, for religious freedom protections, the 350-person group also called for civility in addressing liberty-related issues. The contraceptive mandate was the main topic on the agenda, but the faithful delved into other subjects that they fear could come under attack. These issues include the freedom for believers to abstain from workplace activities that contradict their views and for religious groups to continue to have the freedom to hire people they so choose.

Earlier this year, the Obama administration lost a Supreme Court battle surrounding religious employment issues. While the federal government sought to challenge the long-held ministerial exemption, the Supreme Court, for the first time, recognized its existence and constitutionality.

Considering these developments, there’s no telling how faith communities will react throughout the 2012 campaign. While conservative churches may move against Obama, at least on policy (tax law forbids churches to advocate for or against candidates), more liberal faith supporters may rally around him. Either way, it seems the contraceptive mandate has rallied people of diverse faith views to at least come to the table and chat.

(H/T: Religion News Service)

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:29pm

    Obama is casting our Pearls to the swine. He wants our wealth God has given this country to go to countries who worship death, cows, trees and who had a chance when their grandfathers the Cain way over Abel. Their forefathers wrought poverty upon their own people. We did not do it. We have sent missionaries. Some have become Christians and suffer terribly for spreading the Word. Others kill, torture, maim, mock and starve those who are willing to follow Christ. We owe them nothing but the Word of God. If they lived right under God’s blessing, they would have more. No one wants to see people starve, but you cannot help those who will not reach out to God. Before it is over, they will all bow. God said they would. We have tried to feed the world and they have tried to kill us. Where we messed up is allowing our children to mix with people on TV where we would otherwise keep them away from. It has for several generations of children been an electronic babysitter. People have failed to keep the Words of God in the forefront of their brains and so their brains are filled with lies, deceit and fornications that will eventually take them and your grandchildren to hell. People better know that Hollywood is not going to “outcool” God for there is a payday coming from all that has been allowed to transpire in this country.

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:41pm

      OBSERVATION – Scary, it took Barack Obama to get Christians of all faiths to come together……..

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:14pm

      You got that right. God is the same always, it’s our churches doctrines that mess things up. If you notice, people pay more attention to the doctrines over the scriptures. I stand with Jesus only.

       
    • lukerw
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 3:46am

      Some times… you must join the Herd… for Protection… from the Evil WithOut!

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    • bencasper
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 3:59am

      Wow BLACKYB, you seem to know your religious bigotry pretty well. Do you know the first chapter of the first book of your Bible? Dominion over all the earth was given by God to all men, not just to the descendants of Shem. And Later in Exodus God told His people to Love their enemies, to give them food and water as needed. Perhaps you might want to get to know the God you profess to know so that you will not be one of His enemies when He returns. This meeting is for the purpose of preserving the personal role of each and every persons conscience in the living of their own lives without governmental sanctions, persecutions, and interference.

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    • Amos37
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 4:58am

      BenCasper: God says the support your own countrymen and plunder the other nations that refuse to serve the true God so they don’t become a snare. Ever heard of tough love?

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    • Patriot1999
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 11:48am

      Very well spoken.

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    • AlphaDoe
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 12:02pm

      It brings to mind Eph. 6:12. “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”

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    • dcubed
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 5:02pm

      So, in an ironic way, he is the “great uniter.”

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 9:31pm

      Forget the Catholic Church, the Liberal Catholic Church is part of the problem. In the fight for Life the Catholic Church lent lip service and remained neutral. In the Obamacare struggle, the Catholic Church supported Obama care until it learned how Catholic Senators and Obama double crossed the Catholic Church for its support. Homosexual Marriage will be no different to the American Catholic Church. The American Catholic Bishops authorized known homosexuals to become priests 30 years ago with the matra of “condemm the sin not the sinner.” The Church has been seriously crippled by the Sex Abuse. If Christ returned to Earth today, the Catholics would crucify him.

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    • FreedomMissMeYet
      Posted on May 27, 2012 at 2:55pm

      Let’s not be so hasty to throw out the Bride of Christ, part of the “Church”. God addressed all 7 churches in Revelation, challenging most for their apostasy. He’s perfectly capable of judging. Which one of these 7 do you not see in yours? With 196 major denominations, what are the chances of choosing the “right” one?

      Yes, the Catholic Church has an issue on the ground with liberalism and apostasy. In some parishes, it teaches a perverse form of ‘tolerance’ and distorts “Dignity”. It pushes “feel good’ and distorts “God is Love” to the point that some believe that obeying his commands are irrelevant. This church like many, has to heal itself from the inside out with help from God.

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    • gregpasq
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 8:37am

      It won’t last….

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    • MYGIRL2000
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 1:09pm

      I guess you didn’t know that God Almighty hates a lying tongue, which you have. The reason why this country is under a curse is due to people like you. Hate in this country is spew across this country by you and all on Fox News. You and the people on Fox News make Satan your master shame. You call yourself a Christian,don’t even know what the word means.

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    • MYGIRL2000
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 1:22pm

      This is a reply to: AMOS37
      I am sorry to inform you jack, that we are living in the New Testament. And the Lord Jesus Christ said, “LEAVE THEM ALONE AND HE (not you) WILL DO THE SEPARATING OF THE WHEAT(CHRISTIANS) FROM THE TARES (SINNERS) IN THE LAST DAY.” GOD also told you,”JUDGE YE NOT FOR YOU SHALL ALSO BE JUDGE.”

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:58pm

    C-Gadsen not all people who cry Lord, Lord are going to Heaven. Many are not holding the Truths in their heart. Whites or Blacks. Many are deceived because they had rather believea a lie than the Truth. These people are used to open the eyes of those who have been sleeping on the watch and have allowed their children to follow after Hollywood rather than their parents. These are old enough to have been teaching for years now. This is a result of people trying to out “cool” God. Well, surprise, surprise, the pay day is here and the trash now has to be taken out or people will die from the filth.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:52pm

    There is not a Christian alive who will support this Obama. He is a liar, a deceiver and stand for everything God is against. He is who he is and those who follow him will follow him to hell.

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  • Stephen Markovich
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:41pm

    go to hell barak

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    • gregpasq
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 8:39am

      You first….and you could at least spell ‘Barack’ correctly if you want an ounce of credibility…..

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  • nobull14
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:27pm

    I am happy all faiths are standing together. Its about time.The only problem I can see is the Muslims will never come on board and Obummer is as thick as thieves with them !!!

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:53pm

      But,he did kill Osama Bin Laden….Also got in a game of golf on the same day…The Muslims must love him for that…..They are going to make a movie …WOW!!!!

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 7:49am

      Since when is no Muslims on board a problem?

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  • Paul -Indiana
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:50pm

    This battle should have been fought before the 2008 election. The real solution to the problem is the removal from office of obama and all of his people in the House and Senate. Keep remembering that Obama was elected by only 30% of registered voters. There was a 58% turnout and of the people who actually voted, 52% voted for Obama. Multiply 0.58 and 0.52 and you get 0.30. Just 30% of registered voters saddled us with Obama. Forget about the polls and just vote. Go with God.

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    • gregpasq
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 8:41am

      Yup, can’t wait to vote for Obama again….you know, that lowly 30%…..

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  • Goldi
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:49pm

    I watched this yesterday and was so impressed. I’m sorry the Catholic Church was so enamored by the “0” and the chance of a great health care system that they walked right into this, and supported 0bamacare. It has come back to bite everyone. There were some great comments and bright, intelligent people, who made the comments. I am so glad that all the churches are getting together and fighting for our country.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:21pm

      Amen to that. As a Catholic who was educated in Catholic schools for 16 years, I was always taught to love and respect people of all faiths and not to mock or demonize their beliefs. I am happy to see people of many faith groups joining hands to fight for our religious freedom, and I hope that it will result in lasting celebration of our similarites and more respect and love for one another.

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:41pm

      The Old Men in Funny hats that rule the catholic church may not love Obama, but they have lost their flock who still supports the president.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:04pm

      @ENCINOM…No I think the president has lost tens of millions of votes of religious people who he deceived in 2008. everyone can now see he is a godless evil man

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    • JJBlazeReader
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:05pm

      ..

      @encinom – not true about Catholics, there is a 14 point swing away from President Obama.

      “That same margin, were it to hold on Election Day, would mark a swing of 18 million voters away from Obama.”

      http://www.lifenews.com/2012/05/22/obama-loses-14-points-with-catholic-voters-over-hhs-mandate/

      ..

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    • angelcat
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:30pm

      ECINOM, I don’t know where you live, but where I live I know many Catholics who voted for Obama last time won’t this time due to his attacks on religious freedom – and the fact he is an unsuccessful president also.

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  • edmundburk
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:49pm

    remember ALL faith groups must stand together to protect religous liberty. it’s time to quit bashing each other, and come together and fight the beast in the white house.

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    • DSN397
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 12:25am

      That‘s what I don’t understand. The different old school religions keep saying Mormon‘s aren’t Christian’s, but they are. They believe in the same Jesus as the most ardent Southern Baptist does. I’m not a Mormon, but as a young man in the military I spent 3 1/2 years in their midst in Idaho, and never met a one who offended me in any way, or tried to convert or do anything else to me. I worked directly under a sergeant who was Mormon and he was terrific to work for and with.

      What happened to the separation of church and state. What’s this bulls”t about what the religion of the candidate is, I thought it wasn’t suppose to matter. I‘ll bet if he were a Muslim there wouldn’t be a word said, which in my opinion is when the screaming should start.

      Obama and his “everyone get an equal shot”, He’s so transparent you can see through him all the way to his grandfather the Brit hater.

      Now the left is on the hunt that Romney’s great grandfather (might} have been involved in polygamy, but the fact that Obama’s actual father (was in fact) a bigamist seems to carry no wights at all.

      I guess it back to the old clechie

      doesn’t upset the left as all.

      I think anytime polygamy is brought up, bigamy should be standing there just along side to take the slings and arrows fired at both groups. I hope they use rubber arrow points.

      I love Obama’s outlook (everyone of us is equal, it’s just that some of us a more equal) He uses this in all

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  • Paul -Indiana
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:44pm

    I am so glad that obama administration is not backing down from its stand on this issue. This fight has been needed since before the 2008 election. The solution to the issue is simply to vote obama and his cronies out of office in 2012. Keep remembering that Obama was elected by only 30% of registered voters. There was a 58% turnout and of the people who actually voted, 52% voted for Obama. Multiply 0.58 and 0.52 and you get 0.30. Just 30% of registered voters saddled us with Obama. Forget about the polls and just vote. Go with God.

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  • abbygirl1994
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:42pm

    I am proud that these men of faith, they are setting down their differences and coming together to work on religious freedom! Those who can’t bring themselves to work with any of them or even one of them, need to ask themselves who they really serve! This is our freedom people, not just religion.. but all freedoms! The Prophet Joseph Smith said, “the constitution will hang by a thread, but this people, will come forward and save it” This people are God’s people.. those who serve Him! I can now see the prophecy coming to pass! God help us all!!

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    • PJL
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:54pm

      It sure is coming to pass!

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    • Southern Rebel
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:19pm

      You had me right up until you said, ‘the prophet Joseph Smith’. Then you lost all credibility.

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:47pm

      ABBYGIRL1994 – Just curious, do you believe that God started out as a man and then became God? Do you believe that we will all become Gods and have our own planets and our own people who will worship us? Just curious.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 9:00am

      Joseph Smith actually had a vision in which he received revelation to guide the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Book of Mormon is a record translated by the gift and power of God as a second witness to the divine life of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. I praise God every day for the preservation of that record and the testimony of Jesus and his divinity that I have obtained. I converted from Catholicism to Mormonism and have never regretted it.

      Yes, Mormon doctrine is that we are the children of God, and isn’t it a law of nature that children can grow up to be like their parents?

      There are no guarantees, but that is the point of the gospel of Jesus – to become like Him. Why do you think he said, “Come, follow me?” if not to be like Him?

      It is not blasphemy – it is the goal. Jesus’ work and glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of mankind. Eternal life is the quality of life we can enjoy if we are worthy enough to be like Him.

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    • Abraham Young
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 9:03am

      Hey, Snoopie. Are you a child of God? Does God have children who worship him? When those children grow up what do they become? What is the point of mortal life? To remain a child forever?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 10:59am

      @SOUTHERN REBEL

      Would it have been better if she had said: ‘Ron Paul said…”?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 11:11am

      @SNOOOP1E

      ABBEYGIRL is a Latter Day Saint. You know that. Why cause contention by asking her a question you apparently know the answer to?

      We may differ in points of doctrine, but we worship God the Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

      We believe that Jesus is the Christ, and that He died for all of us, that all men may be forgiven of their sins if they repent and follow Him.

      We believe we show our love to Jesus by following His commandments, also by loving and serving our fellow man.

      There are over 6 million Latter Day Saints in the US. It is the fastest growing christian denomination in the country. You may believe differently, but many people have investigated our religion and found it to be true.

      You are free to believe how you wish, all’s we ask is the same privilege.

      If you are truly interested, I suggest you go to http://www.lds.org or http://www.mormon.org for more information.

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    • SonOfThunder
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 5:11pm

      Joseph smith is a false prophet and Mormons don’t follow the same God or the same Jesus. The Christian God was not a man then became God. That is blasphemy. Jesus is not Lucifer’s Brother. Both are not in the Bible and both are Mormon doctrines. It is wacky and not true. Sorry Mormons are not Christian plain and simple. I am glad that Mormons won’ t be voter for h disgrace-in-chief!

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 7:24pm

      @BROTHER_ED – These are simple yes or no questions. 1. Did God start out as a man and then become God. 2. Is Joseph Smith spoken of in the Bible? 3. Will all believers eventually become Gods with their own planets and their own people worshiping them? These are simple questions and I am just asking for a yes or no answer. As of yet I haven’t stated an opinion as to any of these questions. I am simply asking if she (and now you) believes these things to be true? If you believe these things to be true simply say so. The second part of the question is if you do affirm these things to be true why do you accept Joseph Smith as a Prophet and not Luther, Calvin, Zwingli or Mohammad? What is it about Joseph Smith that makes you accept him as a Prophet and not others? I am curious more than anything and didn’t anticipate that my questions would upset anyone. I am simply trying to understand why you believe what you believe, if you have complete confidence in your beliefs this would be an opportune time for you to evangelize and share your beliefs rather than accusing me of being “contentious”, getting defensive leads people to believe that you are not confident in your beliefs. If you find my questions unsettling I sincerely apologize, that is not my intent. God Bless

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    • pamela kay
      Posted on May 27, 2012 at 1:48am

      ABBYGIRL1994, Great comment. I agree 100%. I am having trouble posting for the past hour. It is not the Blaze that is the problem. Do you evr have any problems?

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    • Dauh
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 12:51pm

      Only one thing preventing all Christ-loving people from embracing the LDS faith.

      Ignorance.

      You Catholics and Protestants believe that God would speak to an ancient prophet but not a modern one? Tell me, just what is it that authenticates an ancient man over a modern one? Why would God stop revealing His will? I challenge you naysayers to read the Book of Mormon regularly, and see if you do not become happier. What’s stopping you from trying? Fear? Bigotry?

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 1:34pm

      @SNOOOP1E

      We believe we God (Heavenly Father) is the Father of our spirits. Most Christians believe Jesus is our ‘Elder Brother” due to this fact. Satan is also a spirit child of our Heavenly Father, he was cast out due to rebellion. Therefore, Jesus, Satan and we are all brothers, spiritually speaking.

      A kitten becomes a cat, a puppy becomes a dog – therefor, we as children of God can become like Him. It is not a guarantee, many are called, but few are chosen. We are told by Jesus that we will inherit all that He has.

      After the Apostles died out, the authority that Jesus conferred upon them was lost. This was recognized by Luther, Wesley and others. The authority was restored through Joesph Smith, Jr.

      We believe that this authority, the Priesthood, is necessary to preform the saving ordinances required for salvation. (can just anybody baptize you, or does it have to be someone ‘special’?).

      We believe that God speaks to the world through His prophets, just as He always has.

      This a basic (very basic) answer to your questions – which I believe to be sincere. I would suggest reading the Book of Mormon and praying about it to see if it is true. Heavenly Father will give you an answer. If it is true, then Joseph Smith, Jr was a prophet.

      Luther and the others were inspired men, and we have no qualms with any other religion.

      Happy Memorial Day.

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  • CatB
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:34pm

    Thank God

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  • ronin_6
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:33pm

    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
    with the cross of Jesus going on before.
    Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
    forward into battle see his banners go!
    Refrain:
    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
    with the cross of Jesus going on before.

    2. At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
    on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
    Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
    brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
    (Refrain)

    3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
    brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
    We are not divided, all one body we,
    one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
    (Refrain)

    4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
    but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
    Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
    we have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.
    (Refrain)

    5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
    blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
    Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
    this through countless ages men and angels sing.
    (Refrain)

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  • Bernice Durdan-Rowland
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:32pm

    AT least all the religious leaders are on God’s side. Apparently Obama and his “cronies” are not, since their intention is to remove God’s name everywhere and are i n the process of taking any spiritual thinking out of the minds of children and adults alike.
    Remember when Hitler removed all the crosses from the schools – removed any sort of prayer from schools – - – - who won – - – who committed suicide – - – - – think about this – - – - read history – - -

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:02pm

      I too love history…it”s been easy to see Obama’s agenda and predict his next moves…which is why he scares me…leave him in power and he will kill millions..

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  • Individualism
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:31pm

    Even Atheists should and probably do because they can profit off the mumbo jumbo believers. its another industry or business there attacking.

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  • denkat56
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:31pm

    finaly the religions have a reason to unite together. it only took one poltician to do it. its to bad they didnt stop arguing and fighting long enough to do this earlier.

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:18pm

      Uniter of conservatives and gun salesman of the decade!

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:29pm

    I am sure this will be the lead in tomorrows MSM.
    Obama VS GOD!
    If the Government is forcing the faithful to go against their faith then they have too say no and stand their/GODS ground!

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    • angelcat
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 11:31pm

      You forget, Obama thinks he IS God – and so do many of his followers.

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  • hillbillyinny
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:27pm

    Pray for these faith leaders to be strong in their stand, wise in their rebuttal and guided by the Holy Spirit.

    God has been in America since the early settlers, lets keep God alive here, whether or not all believe at this time, and pray for their unbelief.

    TRUE modern Christian faith has been a help to mankind, let us all continue to help and pray!

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:52pm

      Thank you for your wonderful post! Amen.
      God Bless America!!!

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    • AlphaDoe
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 11:30am

      I so agree! That is the main purpose for the United States! Religious freedom. Even our founding fathers recognized that there are certain rights that only come from our Creator and no man can take that from us.

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  • dennisS
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:25pm

    It’s about time. I really don’t care about what religious leaders have to say since they should have been dealing with this subject 4 years ago. They dropped the ball then and allowed this communist idiot to be put into place. So I can say I am somewhat relieved but I question their discernment that allowed them to be silent for so long. If they say, like so many today, “I didn’t know what this guy was going to be like”, I say that you should not be in any position of authority in the Church. I knew EXACTLY what he was with a 20 minute Google search.

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    • From Virginia
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:10pm

      I’ve never understood this either – their silence, that is. The article said that under the tax code they aren’t allowed to endorse a candidate, but it seems to me that democrats go to churches all the time to campaign. Why are they allowed to endorse a candidate and others not?

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    • dennisS
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:13pm

      @from Virginia, Great question. I’ve wondered about this myself for many years. The black and social justice churches have been heavily involved in politics for years and blatantly so. The Catholic Church has for centuries tried to play both sides and that is where they have come into so much conflict in these separation issues. I feel they have stepped up to the plate on the contraception issue but they whole-hardheartedly supported obamacare in its original form. No discernment! We go back to the definition of insanity. History constantly repeats itself from generation to generation and nobody seems to learn. This is why I am cautiously optimistic but deep down I think that they will roll over for some little treat thrown their way. Remember, obama is the master of divide and conquer. He will cave to one of these guys, they will swoon, and then the camaraderie will be over, each man for himself to fight the communists. They never learn!

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  • blackyb
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:23pm

    Our Consitution of written to be Just beyond that which men are capable. There is nothing wrong with God. It is men. Leave our Commandments, our True churches and laws alone and quit fiddling with things to support leftists who are wanting to overthrow this nation. Grow up and see what is going on. Yes, it is happening. They are using religion as an excuse to take the very hope of mankind away and make them psychologically dependent on the whims of men who are for the most part Godless and cannot and will not make Just decisions. These people need to work with what is right and just and they will not because God intereferes with their plans to enslave people to the point they are without hope. Stand firm and stand with God. At all costs stand for what is right.

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    • abbygirl1994
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:33pm

      Problem is.. their religion is lead by Lucifer!

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:37pm

      What are you high on? Really, you must be smoking some powerful stuff.

      “Our Consitution of written to be Just beyond that which men are capable. ” Our Constitution was created by men, by flawed men, who saw their limits and put safe guard in place. the Constitution is not Just beyond that which men are capable, when first written it protected the institution of slavery (oh, wait God is okay with slavery). What is a “True Church” one that you agree with, that tells you your storys with just enough bile and brimstone.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:50pm

      The foundation of our Constitution is written based on the Truth of the Holy Bible. Those writting this Constitution labored over this and prayed over this and made this Constitution above that which man is capable of being. This Constitution will stand, for there are people who will and have died for this. They will continute to stand as long as we get traitors such as are in our White House out of Office and get back to the business of being who we are and were and will always be. We are Americans and we should allow no man to make laws contrary to what is Just and Right in the Eyes of God. This nation is Under God and He says “….let no man put asunder what God hath joined together.” This was not meant solely for marriage. When God makes a statement it is all encompassing.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:54pm

      God never made slavery. Men did. God gave Grace to guide men into doing what is right. They eventually did. Do not blame sin on God, he gives free will and people who have their hearts in the right place will do that which is right.

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 26, 2012 at 7:46pm

      @ABBYGIRL1994 – It is one thing to doubt someones religion but to say that it is led by Lucifer is venturing into God’s territory. In Matthew 25:22-30 Jesus issued a stark warning about calling that which is of God of Satan and That which is of Satan of God. [22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.” 25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you 29“Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.30“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.] Peace be with you….

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  • Gita
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:17pm

    Obama is going after the catholic church to shut the church down as all communist countries did in the past. He cannot be as blatant about it because we know the history of communist countries needing to remove the catholic church so he is trying to shut the church down through the back door. The new movie coming out “For Greater Glory” is timely by the hand of God. Please see this movie!

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  • Mikev5
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:17pm

    Well its about time sometimes you need to stand up and open your mouth.

    Look at Moses

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    • Mikev5
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:22pm

      Sometimes you do need a Big stick no more taking it up the back side religious freedom means sticking up for what you believe in or Die.

      Lets get with the program

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    • Want our country back
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:34pm

      Yes, it’s GREAT to see all these factions coming together FINALLY…. also, today the coming together of all conservative bloggers….

      for the first time in my adult life, I’m proud to be………………… standing with all of you.

      ALWAYS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!!!! GOP2012

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  • We are Americans
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:10pm

    I agree the government should not be in churches.
    Churches should pay taxes then. No more tax exempt
    status. Theyre not charities, their profit centers.
    Churches must start paying taxes!

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:19pm

      No churches would be taxed until they could no longer operate. That is why they are not taxed. Those who are godless enough to try and tax God would be godless enough to supress religious freedoms within a church. The government needs to stay out of religion and quit trying to use religion as an excuse to take what our Constitutional Law is based upon, the Bibical Truths and cast it to the wind. Sounds like someone has been dummed down and cannot see the whole picture who would want religions taxed. These people are godless. If the car is running, leave the hood down.

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    • C-Gadsden
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:28pm

      Many black churches blatantly campaign for the New Communist Party (formerly known as Democrats) but don’t hold your breath waiting for Holder or the IRS to act.

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    • We are Americans
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:13pm

      Why are churches tax exempt? Catholic Church
      worth trillions. Multi-million mega churches r
      awash in tax exempt cash. How is this fair?
      Has nothing to do with being godless.

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    • PJL
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:10pm

      We are Americans, churches help the poor, quake victims, war victims, many times they are on the ground, before the government. The LDS church had a 73 hr response time here and overseas and they have NO paid clergy. Churches get there before the governments that wants to control and say you cant help him with out a permit. That’s why they are tax exempt…Gezzzz.

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    • PAPPY72
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:26pm

      The value of the churches is all in their land and churches (some churches like Saint Peter’s Basilica are virutally priceless museums – how do you tax something that’s priceless). Why would you want churches taxed so that the government can get even bigger, more intrusive, and create more dependency?

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  • JQCitizen
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:10pm

    Stand up, or Shut up! Faith leaders are doing a better job than the Politicians, that’s for sure!!!

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    • blackyb
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 9:19pm

      You are right. Because Christians are not afraid to die for what they believe in. These traitors did not factor God into the equation and they will lose. They believe in nothing but vile and outrageous things that are contrary to God. They have no power except what God allows to accomplish what He deems fit to accomplish. All things work together for the good of those who love the Lord. They have already lost.

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  • doomytram
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:09pm

    Just who will be voting for Oblamer then, this year? Your a fool if you will be voting for Oblamer please be assured.

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  • justangry
    Posted on May 25, 2012 at 7:09pm

    Maybe they can all pray together in FEMA camp. Unless anyone thinks religious leaders, that don’t conform to the will of the government, wouldn’t be prime targets for abuse of corrupt legislation.

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    • taxpro4u03
      Posted on May 25, 2012 at 8:57pm

      In a bas-ackwards country (world) t’would appear so, eh? — Irrespective GOD knows the INDIVIDUAL’S heart (where does it say anything about ANY kind of ‘collective salvation’ in the Christian doctrines? — Eastern religions notwithstanding — “ISSU” [eee-sue] — Caesarian, son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, is said to have studied in INDIA, returning to ‘Alexandria,’ last know location of his mother and HALF-SYBLINGS – then to Jerusalem… Julius was deemed ‘god’ by his own Roman senate before they kilt him dead in a coup; Caesarian and Cleopatra were crowned ‘co-gods’ during her Jubilee, which made Caesarian the ‘son of god,’ – Julius — that’s just in the known written HISTORICAL record, for anyone interested in FACTS) Either way ya slice it — Gov‘t in ’religion’ and vice-versa is like puttin’ an elevator in an outhouse — don’t belong.

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