MSNBC Guest Explains: Burning a Koran is ‘Much’ Worse than Burning a Bible
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Did you know that burning the Koran is worse than burning the Bible? That’s what MSNBC guest and Time Magazine world editor Bobby Ghosh told host Chuck Todd on Friday. According to him, the Koran is directly from God, while the Bible isn’t. Mediaite offers a transcript:
GHOSH: The thing to keep in mind that`s very important here is that the Koran to Muslims, it is not — it is not the same as the Bible to Christians.
The Bible is a book written by men. It is acknowledged by Christians that it is written by men. It`s the story of Jesus.
TODD: Yes.
GHOSH: But the Koran, if you are a believer, if you`re a Muslim, the Koran is directly the word of God, not written by man. It is transcribed, is directly the word of God.
That makes it sacred in a way that it`s hard to understand if you’re not Muslim. So the act of burning a Koran is much more — potentially much, much more inflammatory than –
TODD: Directly attacking — directly attacking God.
GHOSH: — than if you were to burn a — burn a Bible.
TODD: Directly attacking God.
Unless I missed something growing up, I’m pretty sure a synonym for the Bible is the “Word of God,” is it not?
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Comments (626)
BRAVEHEART
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:40amI’m pretty sure the Synonym for Time Magizine is “ Brain Dead Stupid”
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:40amOne must know and remember this, the God of the Bible is not the god of the koran. There can only be one true God. Offend the Bible and the followers are saddened for the offender. Offend the koran and the followers exhibit animalistic hatred by killing (and it doesn’t have to be the offender). A religion of peace… which one.
Report Post »Don in Marietta
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:12pmWho is surprised that the “World Editor” at Time magazine would make such an uninformed statement? I expect nothing more from that magazine. But, Chuck Todd as the moderator not challenging such an outrageous comment is the real travesty. (I say that knowing that MSNBC presents pitiful shows to no audience.) Anyone seeking real, truthful information, who goes to MSNBC is way off-base already. What they hear on those shows won’t reach a level of minimal information for which one might be looking. So, I’m guessing, MSNBC viewers are true believers listening to true believers. They are hearing what they expect to hear and want to hear. The characterization “blind leading the blind” comes to mind.
Report Post »headbtweenlegs
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:39amBoo Who!
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:38amThis guy knows absolutely nothing about the Bible. The Bible is the inspired word of God and it is MUCH MORE than just the story of Jesus.
Report Post »Don in Marietta
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:13pmYou’re correct, brother.
Report Post »headbtweenlegs
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:38amI burned 4 yesterday….So now what?
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:42pm@headbtweenlegs: lol … I’m buying some editions to celebrate the 4th of July with a marshmallow toast!
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 8:57pmI’m taking pictures at my next un-holy koran burning and making Christmas cards from the pictures.
Report Post »I’m going to be wishing a lot of middle east embassies and progressive organizations a Very Merry Christmas this year.
cece959
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:38amThe Bible was written by man while the koran was written by God? Really? And what proof does he have that God’s Hand, and not a human hand, wrote the koran? I thought that islam teaches that mohammed wrote the koran as it was dictated to him by God??? The God of the koran dictates that you die for him, while the God of the Holy Bible sent His only begotten Son to die for you. The God of the koran hates infidels, gays, etc., women have no rights, hates the jews, etc., and everyone who is not muslim must be put to death…there is no hope of salvation except that you renounce your faith, convert to islam and die for allah. Jesus offers hope of salvation to all. I think I’ll stick with my Lord and Saviour, and Mr. Ghosh can cram allah where the sun don’t shine.
Report Post »matt708
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37amthis guy should be witht he animals that killed, he doesn‘t know what he is talking about and it’s not an excuse to murder
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37amHmm I’m pretty sure most of the Koran was written by Muhammad…
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:06amNo. Mo was illiterate. He dictated what the being of light, “Michael” (wink wink), told him in the cave to someone who could transcribe.
Report Post »flasho
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37amThe only reason it is “worse” to burn a Koran is that those stone age aholes overreact and start lopping off heads!
Report Post »jharper
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:46amI say that makes it a BETTER reason if they are killing each other.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:36amOK, could this “pastor,“ this ”man of god” be being used by Satan to ignite the Muslin world?
Terry Jones is a proud, proud man, and “Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16:18 NIV See also:
“The terror you inspire and the pride of your heart have deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, who occupy the heights of the hill. Though you build your nest as high as the eagle’s, from there I will bring you down,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 49:16
Satan and other fallen angels sin was that of pride! Just saying. . .
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:36amIt is like burning our Bible and Flag at the same time, and too many have no problem in our country with the burning of either one. Lotus.
Report Post »svedka
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:36amWTF are they thinking?
Report Post »NICE NICE TACO
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:35amhe doesn’t indicate who transcribed the Koran…….possibly man?? He clearly knows little to nothing about the Bible or transcription.
Report Post »Da Kingfish
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:08amThe kuran was transcribed by a jew, look it up!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:37amHe may know more than you, based upon your comments. The bible was not “transcribed” by its human authors, except in the case of some of Paul’s letters. To transcribe means to take take an original, either a written source or a verbal dictation, and make a written copy. The Scribes made transcriptions of the Torah. Monks made transrciptions of the Bible. Translators made translations, not transcriptions. Authors made the original. The Scriptures all have human authors, with the divine author behind, around and in them.
Ignoring these distinctions has resulted in a lot of foolish comments.
Report Post »SUEB
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:35amNothing is wrong with burning the quaran in my eyes. IT is a book of hate. What would they do with a bible if it were found on there doorstep. Look what they do to our Flag. We as Americans respect other countries and would never burn their flag. But when they burn ours do we go and kill others for that reason. When they kill other p[eople not responsible for burning the loran do we day anything NO…….US should have some “JUNK” and do what is right…..Apologize for burning the BOOK OF HORRORS and then BOMB the HELL out of them for KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE……
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:47amI agree with a lot of your feelings but, when you know your actions will end in the taking of innocent lives, why would you do it? Terri Jones knew what would happen. If he wanted to make a stand he should have flown to Suadi Arabia and burned the Koran in Mecca and accepeted the consquences of his actions instead of doing it in safety and watching others die for his actions. Did Jesus hide when they came for him and let his desciples die on the cross for him?
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:44amRev. Jones is currently using Gainesville Florida Sheriffs to protect him, seems he has a price on his head like Salman Rushdie. During last year’s 911 kerfuffle, Jones criticized lawmen and said they were union thugs.
Report Post »suzy000
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:35amWhy anybody watches NBC is mystifying to me……they are a joke!
Report Post »booger71
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:16amMooslims don’t need an excuse to kill, they just need victims and a bomb vest..
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:33amThe saddest part is these people really believe this.
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:56amuneducated, indoctrinated from birth is the reason. when you do not know a better way of life it is difficult to not accept what you are surrounded with as truth…true in any religion, way of life, anywhere. the middle east,africa are a mess.
they just need to be annihilated.. a great flood, start over with middle east
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:32amHollywood burns Bibles day in and day out… Not hateful at all when they do it. Nope it’s freedom of expression. Personally I‘ve read the Bible through about 4 times but although I’ve tried reading the Koran I find it to be such garbage that I really can’t take it seriously even if I try very hard.
I think I may go burn it too along w/ the good Pastor since it’s not really worth reading… just to piss the Marxsit idiots at the NYT and the freaks out in Hollywood off.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:32amAnd how does he know the Bible is not the same to Christians? Has he spoken to every Christian all over the world and that is what they told them? What a presumpuous dumb a$$ and how dare he speak for me!
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:39amGrandmaof5, morning, hear the weather there is going to be good and warm today. Keep the kitties nice and safe. Kitty here is safe, and doing good as well.
By the way, would you let me know what you think of my latest picture “Dancer 01”?
It is a drawing for a later one I intend to do, figured the practice would not hurt.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:09amGood Morning litter Mates. Good morning Show when you log on. Good morning all Blazers. Have a nice day.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:16amBack ‘atch SISSYKATZ, hope your kitty crew is doing well. For the “kitty” crew out there, Google “The art of sleeping in a box”. So typical of our furry friends. SNOW, left you a message on the Piven article. Love the latest drawing and will look forward to the next one. Not quite noon, but “good morning/afternoon SHOWTIME.
Report Post »rightwingheroes
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:31amYea the Koran is the so-called “word of God” blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda, but who wrote it?
Man wrote the Koran too? No way! Say it ain’t so!
This guy is an absolute idiot.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:23amCan you understand that he is not talking about what is TRUE but about what is BELIEVED by Muslims? I am sure that he doesn’t believe that the Koran is the very words of Allah. Only a Muslim would say such a thing.
The refusal of so many here to just pay atention to the point being made is astounding.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:31amThis person either doesnt know the first thing about Christianity and the Bible, or he is a liar. So what we have here is either ignorance or blasphemy.
Anyone who ever went to a believing Christian church has heard the Bible referred to as “The Word of God”.
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:05amAlso…“a story about Jesus”??? he doesn’t have the slightest idea..
The Koran on the other hand is a book telling man to kill his fellow man.
Report Post »tinydd
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:51amNo it should not be burned, they should be burned.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:55amYou are misunderstanding his point. The Bible WAS written by men and in THEIR words. That they were inspired by God to write them does not change that important dynamic. It is like the difference between and angel of God speaking to you and God himself speaking.
Gonzo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:31amNo bonehead, we believe the Bible was the word of God transcribed by men. What we don‘t believe is that you should cut people’s heads off for defacing a Bible, that’s between you and God. Otherwise, we would have cut Jefferson’s head off.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:19amNo, most Christians do not hold to the dictation theory of inspiration. Nowhere is that belief required by Christians. There is a difference between saying that it is the word of God and saying it is the words of God. When we say “words of God” we mean that God is speaking. When we say the Bible is the Word of God we mean that the truth in those words of men is from God. God inspired his truth to be in the minds of men as they write his truth. God does not take over writers and make them puppets. That is not the biblical view of inspiration.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:15pmIsles,
I think you are smart enough to understand what Gonzo is saying. Why do you feel the need to always correct everyone’s comments? Please set aside your predisposition to argue minor points and learn to accept a comment for what it is, a comment. Learn to overlook minor error. You make yourself look petty and vain when all you do is teach your own view and consider all of us as little children waiting for every word to be dispensed from you. Which by the way is not always right.
Report Post »You may not be as smart as you think. Just something for you to consider.
tierrah
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 8:19pm@Islesfordian:
Report Post »No, most Christians DO hold to the dictation theory of inspiration – ever heard of the Holy Spirit? As to that, if you believe in the teachings of the Bible, then you must believe that parts of the Old Testament was actually written by the finger of God … like the Ten Commandments. I can see where you are coming from and do understand the point you are trying to make. It’s just when you flip flop to the other side of the pendulum with your statements, you fail to accept that Christians, MOST of them, DO believe that the Bible is the word of GOD, same as the muslims believe their book is from God.
Aliza
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:42pmIslesfordian:
Please, drop the macaroni…
The only thing I’m reading for hours & hours is your self righteous opinion.
You should stop forcing your Catholic point of views on other Christians. You sound like you are the only “right type” of Christian who knows it all, while the rest of the people here are the “wrong type” of Christians, who hasn’t have the clue.
The evangelical Christians too have brains, & just because their interpretation of the Scripture is different from yours, it doesn’t mean that they do not know their own Bible. Please, give them a brake…
You have no idea how irritating you are, even for me, though I’m not even a Christian. I’m a Jew.
Report Post »Pawtucket Padre
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:30amMy friend, the Bible is the Word of God, yes written by man, but inspiried by God. Please read the words in John 1:1 that says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Then later in John 1:14, that Word (Jesus) became flesh and came to live with us…just as His Word lives in us. There is no doubt the Bible IS the Word of GOD!
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:38amGo PAWSOX
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:43amBut that doesn’t matter to those that hate the TRUTH. Facts have no part in an argument with a liberal.
Report Post »mill
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:07amyou cannot base a book on it’s authenticity by these standards… because “it” states “it’s” real
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:57amThe guy is correct. Muslims do not believe the Qur’an is divinely “inspired.“ They believe it was divinely ”dictated” to Muhammad. Whereas Christians and Jews view the message contained in the Bible as the sacred Word of God imbued with human personality, Muslims revere the physical book itself when it is written in Arabic and only acknowledge the divine character of the text. That, however, does nothing to excuse or justify the outrageously bestial and violent behavior of Muslims around the world any time some non-Muslim does something un-Muslimlike.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:41am“There is no doubt the Bible IS the Word of GOD!”
But pawtucket padre, your Scripture quotation shows that the Bible is not the Word of God in the same way that Jesus is.
kudos to you undergroundman for getting this.
Report Post »dabbo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:26pmUnderground man…..the Muslims might believe that the Qur’an was divinely ”dictated” to Muhammad.
…But with Muhammad being an illiterate that doesn’t make much sense does it?
I’m just a mid-level manager but if I need someone to draft a memo …..I generally ask a person who can read and write.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:28amGod, Himself, wrote the Ten Commandments on the stone tablets given to Moses–in person, burning Moses’ face, and DID IT TWICE!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:52amYes, and imagine if somebody, besides Moses himself, broke them in an offensive act.
Report Post »SmokinBugsy
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:28amBoth books should never be burned. As well as no flags should be burned!
Report Post »sleazyhippo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:19amIf the books are holy, they cannot be destroyed even if you burn them, get it?
Report Post »felina g
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:40am“Fanning the flames”.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:49amSMOKIN’…..
While you wonder why anyone would be compelled to burn a bible or a flag, it is still another freedom you seem to be willing to surrender.
You have to look at the bigger picture. Like, does it hurt you? Does it take away any freedom of yours? Let me explain how people who look at banning this and that are not thinking it through.
In talking to my brother-in-law, I explained that…….
Pres. Bush signed the CPSIA (act) in Oct. of ‘08. That was the law to protect children from lead found in toys. I explained that environmentalists had added an amendment in the dark of night to also ban sales of off-road vehicles to any child under the age of 12. I said to him that environmentalists intend to stop all off-road riding in this country. That ban will take effect on 1/1/12 if not repealed.
I explained to him that, as far as I know, kids did not ‘eat’ the batteries in those bikes/atv’s, and had, in fact, been riding them for decades with no harmful health effects.
To him, it didn’t matter. Since he doesn’t like dirt or street bikes, he said NO kid should be riding them anyway. I answered that, how about someone (just maybe those same environmentalists) figure that he doesn’t need that Chevy Avalanche that he drives. Maybe they’ll say, for instance, that he needs a Chevy Volt to run his errands in.
You see, even if you don’t like people burning bibles or flags or riding dirtbikes, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, will not like SOMETHING that YOU ‘do’ like.
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 6:20amThe Koran and Islam are not “superior” to the Bible and Christianity. The Bible predates the Koran by several centuries. Much iof the Koran was plagiarized, copied or stolen from the Bible. The Koran promotes hate and death. The Bible promotes love and life.
Report Post »SmokinBugsy
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:27amWhat CRAP! Both books should never be burned. Just like no flags should be burned!
Stoic one
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:30amAbsolutely
Report Post »RadioRob
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:31amTry this one on for size “NO book should ever be burned!”
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37amSmokinBugsy:
I agree on both accounts, no books religion holds as sacred text, and especially the Flag of USA should NEVER BE BURNED!!!
It’s bad enough we have a store owner on the corner who refuses replace a flag that is getting torn to peices by the wind and weather, and may not hold togeather much longer. The guy has refused to take it down, replace it, or even sell it (I did make the offer), saying he wants it to go down like the country he feels has betrayed him.
He owns a store, and swears to be a communist.
Go figure.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37amHe couldnt be more wrong. Every believing Christian understands that The Bible is the inspired word of God Himself! The men were divinely inspired and directed.
It’s called the word of God for a reason…..
ozchambers
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:39amOh, and by the way, The Bible is not simply the story of Jesus…Last time I checked, it had more than just the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
wildjoker5
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:41amThen so is attacking the book of Mormon cause that was only trascribed by man, but written by God. Doesn’t that mean Mormons (off shoot of Christianity) is the same as Islam? Guess who wouldn’t go killing people if their book got burned.
Rob
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:42amThey are just BOOKS… any moron that gets his panties in a bunch because a BOOK is burned is a loon. It is sad there are so many loons, and that wars have been fought over such foolishness.
dealer@678
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:44amWhere does msnbc find these idiots anyway
Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:45amIt’s amazing how far we have come in this nation when the book of a cult gets higher honor than the true Word of God, the Bible. Shame on Chuck Todd for not even questioning his guest in a more confrontative manner.
People can spew lies out of complete ignorance on network television and Chuck Todd sits there like a dolt and doesn’t even question it. Shamefull!
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:46amJust another appeaser for the religion of peace that wants to kill all the infidels or those who are not Muslim. I don’t believe you should antagonize anyone by burning something that is sacred to them, however, I don’t believe you should minimize some other religion or beliefs based off of ignorance or appeasement. This guy is a total moron and is also an infidel in the eyes of those he wants to appease. According to them, his head would roll just as fast as any other non-Muslim. Idiot.
Report Post »zancudobob
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:49amI urge everyone to burn a cpy of the New Yawk Times today, publicly. as it was written by “men” , and I have to question THAT later, and DOES NOT come “Directly from God-d”, it’s O.K.
Report Post »Plus, you will feel good, moreso than reading their“Self Esteem” section. What a bunch of Mah ROONS!! (D.Duck, 1952)
mill
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:55amoh heck… a book written by a pedophile? hhhmmmmmm burn it
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:55am@zancudobob
Report Post »That would be the NYT most profitable day and I am sure they wouldn’t mind it if you would burn their paper.
Czar Casm
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:58amTwo guys on the TV that don‘t know what they’re talking about. How embarrassing. How typical. And I bet they get paid pretty well for being incompetent.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:59am“The Bible is a book written by men. It is acknowledged by Christians that it is written by men. It`s the story of Jesus.”
Holy cow. What an uneducated moron. There is nothing in those three statements that is correct.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:01amMS-ALjazeera to the rescue. If we don‘t replace Professor O’Barry in 2012 we have no one to blame but ourselves.
America will not survive 8 years of Barack Obama.
Tony
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:09amI believe the Bible IS God’s words writting by Inspired men and protected down the centuries so even today we can go to Barnes & Noble and buy a book that contains his words. But that “book” I bought from Barnes & Noble is definitely not a holy object to be worshipped or make threats over. If some idiot wants to burn HIS copy, so be it! I have full confidence in the God who originally wrote it and will protect it. It is HE that is Holy and to be worshipped, not a book. We are to have no idols before us, even in the shape of a book with “genuine” written in the leather cover.
Those who kill innocent people over some far away burning of a book they never saw do this in the name of Lucifer, in the name of ignorance, hatred and racism, not in the name of the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
JohnBirch
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:11amWell said.
Report Post »The only reason to burn anything is because you want to PI$$ somebody off.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:21amWhere is ALLAH’s print shop? I And if the qu‘ran is the word of Allah than he must be a woman because the Qu’ran contradicts itself through-out. You would think that anyone with half abrain could realize that the Qu’ran was written by a man(and not a god ) who in his life time went from a peaceful ideologist to a totalitrian ideology that resulted from either ridicule,or power as either can chnage a man’s heart.
decendentof56
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:24amLet us extrapolate this.
So, then, would Muslims be justified in killing Christians more so than, say, Christians killing Muslims?
Or, would Muslims be justified in burning Christian Churches since those churches aren‘t institutions representing the ’real’ word of god?
Maybe, just say, a country that worships a god represented in a book written other than by god himself should be made to capitulate to the followers of the ‘real’ word of god?
Isn‘t it curious that the same people who advocate for ’tolerance of all’ (that would be the Liberals, or left, for the mentally challenged), seem to have the most tolerance for the religion that has NO tolerance for others.
Report Post »It is so ridiculously easy to catch the left in their double standards.
decendentof56
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:26amRADIOROB……….
Report Post »Then I guess you would also be against burning ‘any’ flag?
jbl8199
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:26amYou know, it really get‘s on my nerves that the pastor can’t even say the word Muslim right.
Report Post »OhPleaseEnoughAlready
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:38amUh, is it me, or shouldn’t they be held accountable for killing innocent people? Since when does someone’s silly actions in another country justify the killing of innocent people in theirs? They have this all wrong. This is like Flip Wilson’s “The devil made me do it”.
Report Post »Firefight
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:41amI believe in the right to protest and if that means burning a book of flag so be it. that is insane to me to outlaw something (or wanting to) that isn’t hurting anyone. But the real question is should he have done it? No. but he should have the right to do it and to make the right choice.
Report Post »The koran is not the word of God. just listen to the description of the angel that came to muhammad it was clearly satan. Look at their reaction to this obscure pastor’s actions. Murder! Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. & 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
My God is stronger than some fool with a lighter. If someone wants to burn the bible they will answer for it when they stand before Him.
Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:42amHe is right, at least in so far as what he said about the belief of Koran in Islam. The comparable place of the Koran in Islam to something in the Jewsih tradition would be to the original tablets of the 10 commandments, the ones that Moses broke. For Christians the Muslim reverence for the Koran is close to our attitude toward Jesus, the Word made flesh.
Yes the Bible has a secondary divine status to us as Christians. It is the word of God, but through the words of men divinely inspired. This makes a difference. It doesn’t make the Bible UN-sacred, but it puts it below things that are part of God rather than FROM God. Muslims look at the Koran as being eternal like Allah, as being the veru expression of God. It is written in God’s language, Arabic, and cannot be translated. No English translation of the Koran is recignized as the true Koran, though I am not sure that the irrational savages would stop to think about that if you burned a translation, but then they riot at imputed insults anyways.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:43am@ decendentof56
Your right and it‘s because they’re afraid of the muslims. They’re scared. This wave of muslim extremism will kill them yet they think they can appease it with asinine comments like this story reports. They have no hope. They just don’t know it, among other things.
Report Post »doug24
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:48amAgreed, I’d rather not see books burned, but you know they are; they are also dropped in the mud and then thrown away. The point here is that it appears that there is more reverence for the ink on paper than there is for the message. When those in power need a method to control the ignorant masses, they give them simple rules that they can follow to create situations that best serve powerful. We see the same thing in the United States – whenever there is anything that is perceived to take something away from the collective, Jesse Jackson runs to the television cameras to insight outrage: he is manipulating the collective for his own purposes. Ink on paper can’t be the end game.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:49amThe Bible is the most comprehensive book on this planet. It contains science, farming, behavior, astrology, psychology, behavior, treatment of others and yourself, and on and on and on. I don’t agree with burning the Bible but I am not going out and beheading their religious leaders or bombing their worship areas. God is not in the Bible and I cannot kill Him by burning it. I am a very devout reader, believer, studier, and follower of the Bible and do not condone this at all. If they believe that their book contains their god I pray for them. Sad place for their god to live.
We are all born without God in us and it is our job to Him in us.
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smithclar3nc3
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:51amHey sleazyhippo,
Report Post »the only one responsible for deaths are the crazed worshipers of this supposed religion of peace. They murder comic strip writers for drawing pictures of Mohammed as well. Here’s the thing they are free to worship and follow Islamic ideology. And if their religion says they can’t make images of their prophets than they are free not to do so. THEY ARE NOT
FREE TO FORCE OTHERS TO OBEY THEIR RELIGION. And if they can‘t get a handle on their followers and instill the understanding that only followers of their religion have to obey it’s tenants. The only possible answer is the abolish their religion from America first then the world.
nanchuan
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:52amdoes this guy actually BELIEVE the crap spewing from his mouth????
Report Post »kindling
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:52amThe Holy Bible is older and is the first. The Koran takes off from the Old Testament so we know it at least started from the truth. How can Muslims expect us to respect them when they don’t respect us? I know I know, they think we are pigs.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:55amJohn1:
Report Post »1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
restorehope
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:01amFor once I can go along with being politically correct: Never destroy someone else’s holy book. It is a hurtful thing to do.
(Just wish the Muslims felt the same way about destroying Christianity and Judaism.)
When it comes to religion, everyone should mind their own business.
Report Post »338_LM
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:02am“No books should be burned”???? As a Libertarian, I don’t care what you burn as a citizen, so long as they’re not MY property, you’re not burning them ON my property, and I have to breathe the smoke if I don’t want to. Come on people, books are paper, and burning them is a statement – foolish or not, we have the 1st Amendment protection to do it, and TRUST ME – YOU WANT THAT PROTECTION. Let’s try, “No people should be killed because someone else made a point by burning a book.”
Report Post »Da Kingfish
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:05amYep a book transcribed by a illiterate pedophile should never be consecrated, right?
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:12amI realized a better analogy for Christians, at least for Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians (and a few anglo-catholics like myself). The Koran in Muslim thougt is comparable to the consecrated bread. Catholics see this as the very body of Christ. To touch it profanely is a grave sin.
Of course Catholics wouldn’t riot and kill if some Protestant bozo accross the world gave a consecrated wafer to a dog.
The point is not whether Muslims are right to riot as they do nor whether they are right to look at the Koramn the way theu do. The point is that this is how they see the Koran, and it is a shade holier to them than the Bible is to us. Because we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwelling within us we don’t need to hold the Bible as the only thing of God in the world.
The Bible didn’t always exist. All Christians understand this. We believe that Jesus has always existed as the living Word, but the WRITTEN only came to be so that we might come to know Jesus the LIVING word. Muslims look at the Koran as always having existed. It is their living Word of God.
Report Post »DirectlyUnPCman
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:17amHaha what a moron. The Koran was written by a druggie stoned out of his mind, who saw the opportunity to give himself some sort of power. It just worked out better than he ever could have imagined. Burn them all.
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:27amJesus said that the Devil comes to kill, to steal, and to destroy, but Jesus came to give us life more abundantly. I is very clear which side the rioters are on. Islam, the religion of death and destruction really sucks. When Jesus returns there will probably be more than just one koran burning.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:27amThe Bible is written by man, directly inspired by God. The koran is a book written by men that was taken in by a white (the koran speaks numerous times of how white the creep was) pedophile, sexual pervert and who was after world domination. Also, the muslims do not follow God, the god that they speak of and follow is a moon god that was commonly worshiped at the time, the one that God told Abraham to destroy all this moon god’s idols when he was still living with his father who was selling these idols. If all of Jim Jones’ cultists had not all died in Jonestown they would have written a book similiar to the koran.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:28am“Oh, and by the way, The Bible is not simply the story of Jesus”
Actually, saying the Bible is the “story of Jesus” is pretty close to what Jesus says about the Scriptures. Is there something more important than Jesus for the Bible to be about? Cannot all of God’s truth be summed up in his Incarnate Word who is “the Truth”? So if the Bible is about God’s truth, and Jesus is identical with the Truth, then the Bible is the story of the truth because it is all about Jesus.
Report Post »PAYNESHOUSE
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:30amRemember what happened to the guy that drew that picture of Mohammad? Yeah, somebody killed him. That guy that is burning the Koran is crazy…they will find you dude. They will watch you and then kill you.
Report Post »Another point is what is happening as a result of this in Pakistan. They are attributing these killings directly to the burning of the Koran. What is the point?
sleazyhippo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:37amsmithclar3nc3
He knew he was stirring up hate and so he hides behind the skirts of the law like a true wussie, with blood on his hands. Just Sayin. If you can say he was not stirring things up, please explain. If he did not have enough guts to burn the Koran in Saudi Arabia, he did not need to broadcast to Saudi Arabia!
Report Post »MASTER YODA
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:38am2 timothy 3:16.
Report Post »Useful for teaching, all scripture is god-breathed and is, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, Yeesssssss.
70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:48am2 Timothy 3:16-17 (King James Version)
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Notice ALL scripture. Also the korans history can be disproved unlike the Holy scriptures in the Bible. There is a former muslim on WYLL chicago sunday mornings 9:00am central who tells of the hundreds plus of errors in the Koran that do not match to history.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:52am90% of the people here seem to be unable or unwilling to recognize the difference between statements about what IS and statements about what is BELIEVED TO BE. This guy, apart from what he may believe to be the actual truth about the Bible and the Koran is talking about what believers actually believe about them, and how those beliefs differ. He is not offering his opinion as to what is the truth about the bible or Koran.
If the living Word of God came down to earth not as a man but as a book we would hold that book as sacred as the Muslims do the Koran. But God didn’t come down as a book. He came down as a man. The Bible is ABOUT that man, but it is not identical with him.
The Bible is about Jesus. The Bible isn’t the same as Jesus. We’re all clear on that, right?
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:53am@Islesfordian
Report Post »Actually the Bible is the story about Jesus. The Old Testament (or Hebraic Covenant) is telling the story about the coming of the Messiah (Yeshua, better known in the west as Jesus). The New Testament (or New Covenant) is telling the story about how the Messiah (Jesus) has come as promised.
enduro
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:56amThe Quaran was plagerized from the Bible. This is fact among biblical scholars that are afraid to say so as they might offend islam. It is what it is. Non the less the fictional Quran should not be burn’t as it might offend the sheep.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:01pm“Actually the Bible is the story about Jesus.”
Right! Isn’t that exactly what I was saying?
RockstarRepublic
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:03pmGonna have to disagree with you there. I am absolutely fine with the Koran being burned. IF the Muslims see the Koran as being directly the word of God (which is hilarious if you have read it, as its just Muhammad making rules and such) and the Koran states things such as “may 20 muslims kill 100 non muslims and that 100 muslims should slaughter 1000 non muslims, for it pleases Allah”, then you have a very dangerous book on your hands.
The Koran has an entire chapter dedicated to the “spoils of war”. As such, according to the Koran, after you must “bath the land with the blood of your enemies”, you can take women as property and rape them as you see fit. It breaks down all the kinds of theft a muslim can partake in, the best kinds of murder and torture they can make use of for a conquered people…
If you think allowing that kind of book, which Muslims absolutely think is directly written by Allah, then you better be burning every Koran you see because that kind of evil has no right to see the light of day.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:12pm@Isle-
Jesus is the Word of God John1. I assume your Catholic which does not agree with the scriptures what it says about itself. Jesus is the very word of God he lives out the scriptures perfectly. He was revealed through the word of God. It is the word of God that binds Christian in agreement through the Holy spirit.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:22pmThat guys has no clue what he is saying he is wrong to the Nth degree. From the Bible about itself.
2 Timothy 3:16
Report Post »All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Blacktooth
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:27pm2 Timothy 3:16-17 from the NWT:
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:29pmDoes anyone see the subtly of what is being done here? It is an attempt to subtly justify the killing and outrage of murderers without exactly saying that and at the same time paint the Florida pastor as the cause of it by his actions. Rather than holding murderers responsible for their own actions.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:33pmBoth are neither the word of god or remotely close to explaining the universe, life, evolution etc. Even the limited amount of science we have come to know tells us that there is a higher force or energy in the universe and we don’t have a clue. The council of Nicea documents a western interpretation and revision of the bible. So not only is it written by man, it was edited later on to reinforce western culture and understandings.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:44pm@ ISLES……….I disagree with you a bit there my friend. God’s word as expressed truly in the Bible is eternal….(Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.) They may worship the Qu’ran in a way that Christians would find idolatry in that God alone should receive our praise. But to draw a distinction that burning the Bible is OK because it is written by men and the Qu’ran is considered “the words of Allah”, is wrong and erroneous because every Christian believes that God used different men inspiring them what to write down and communicate. In this way it is no different than what Muslims believe about the Qu’ran except that Allah only used one man (Muhammad) rather than many. No difference other than they worship in a sense their book and we simply read ours to see better how to worship and serve God. It is a faulty slight of hand to place blame on the pastor and extend a semi-hidden excuse to the murderers.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:45pm“Jesus is the Word of God John1. I assume your Catholic which does not agree with the scriptures what it says about itself. ”
EWrong on both counts. I am not Catholic, and your biogotted statement is false about what Catholics believe about the Bible.
I claimed that Jesus is not identical with the Written word. He is the Living, Incarnate Word. The written word is about him. But the written word did not exists forever. It was not through the written word that the universe was created. it was through the living word.
Are you really not able to make this distinction? Can you not tell the difference between the ways the term “Word of God is used?
There is first the Living Word, The Son of God.
Then there is the spoken Word, when God reveals something to and through a prophet. Subsets of this include preaching the Word in church or in evangelism, giving people “the Word. The “word” here intends the broad message inclusive of everything God has to say or just focussed on the central message. It’s like the difference between preachingthe Gospel and reading from one of the Gospels.
Then there is the written word, when those prophetic messages are preserved for us to read.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:45pm@ GIDEON…………I think you mean astronomy not astrology. It preaches against astrology.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:51pmWATCH, I have to disagree with you here. You huys are reading far too much into what he is saying. That does not mean that you may not be right, BY ACCIDENT, about what he thinks about the Bible and Muslims killing to avenge Koran burnings, but you can’t get that out of what he said.
Treat him fairly and honestly. When you take only what he said, rather than what he didn’t say, he spoke truthfully about what the majority of Christians believe about the Bible and about what the majority of Muslims believe about the Koran. Guessing his intentions should have nothing to do with his argument. No one should ever assume someone’s intention or motives unless these have been made clear by other statements germane to the subject of the argument.
Report Post »ConsiderThis
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:52pmSo, if Muslims absolutely believe the Koran is the direct word of God than we have to assume they will follow very instruction in it to the letter.
Report Post »So, much for those moderates, eh?
We are infidel and must be either converted or killed.
In my opinion the term moderate is a scam. There are two types, the active radicals and the ones sitting on the bench waiting for the call.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:52pmMan I am really struggling with people and their comments here. Yes yes don’t burn books people hold in high honor not because the book is anything other than a collection of lies but because the people are valuable and need to hear truth. Here is the bottom line. One Pastor (acting unwisely in my opinion) burns ink and paper. The other religion kills and tortures people. What do people not understand about this wicked religion and it’s beliefs? This is why the pastor burned the Qu’ran in the first place. When Moses saw the idolatry of the Israelites when coming down the Mountain he threw and destroyed the original commandments in his anger then burned the golden calf in the fire. Please people let’s think this through and what is subtly being portrayed and espoused before we jump on the band wagon!!!!!!!
Report Post »madmanmat
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 12:53pmIt’s okay, this is good news, line all our federal buildings with them and put a copy under ever seat of our airplanes, problem solved.
Report Post »mcfinch
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:02pmBunch of crap from MSNBC.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:02pmWATCH, when Jesus said that “my words will never pass away” that is not identifying his words as including all the words in Scripture. It really means the truths contained in those words.
Check out 1Cor. 7:12 and tell me that the Bible doesn’t contain the words of men different from, but not in conflict with, the word of God.
Do you honestly believe that the Bible from Genesis to Revelation existed in the beginning with Christ? I have been studying Christian thoughts of biblical inspiration, from the beginning of the church until the modern age, for the past ten years and I have never come accross that idea held by any orthodox theologian. Some rabbis believed this about the Torah, not the whole Tanach though. But no Christian ever did.
Christ existed from eternity. The truth he revealed to us existed from eternity and will last as long. But the actual material form the revelation took in the historical creature we know as Scripture, that came to be in time. It did not exist frometernity nor will it exist forever. Prophecy will pass away when the perfect come, 1 Cor. 13:8. When we stand before Jesus in the light of his glory we will not be needing Bibles.
Muslims do not believe that about the Koran.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:07pm@ ISLES……For the interviewer to not challenge his statement and what he means more clearly and given the channel upon which this interview took place must definitely place the burden of proof for intentions not on me and my view but on the opposing view. I can based upon character patterns and consistencies make assumptions about someones intentions it is done every day by you, me and everyone else. Where we must be careful is basing those judgments on what someone is characterized by not if they messed up but their character is different. Obviously, this man knows nothing of what he was saying by stating that the Bible is written by men and stopping there so how is what he did not self elucidating as serving his obvious ideology about the Bible?
Report Post »butler180
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:13pmAnd this crap from a guy who made up the massacre story and picked by Mertha and the press.
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watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:13pm@ ISLES…………Of course I know of 1Co. But Paul makes it very clear what is from him and what is from the Lord. And so we MUST assume wherever that distinction is not made that it is assumed to be the words of God as the men were inspired by the Spirit to write down.
No no no my friend don’t misunderstand me I am not equating words on a page with Jesus as the Living word. Jesus came first those words simply reflect Him, his character and revelation about who he is. But as he is eternal and the words simply reflect Him that makes them eternal. The prophecies will become known fact at some point. For know we know in part then we will know completely. Don’t get me wrong on that part I am in agreement about those points.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:23pm“Man I am really struggling with people and their comments here.”
WATCH, your struggle is a good one.
Is it RIGHT to burn the Koran because it is a book of lies leading peple to hell? Yes.
Is it WRONG to burn the Koran because it offends the pious sensibilities of people we should be reaching for Christ? Yes
Is it WRONG to burn the Koran because it will inevitably provoke violent muslims to take their anger out on innocent Christians and other people? Yes.
It seems the verdict is that it is WRONG to burn the Koran, unless you don’t care about innocents being killed or the hearts of Muslims, for whom Christ died, being hardened to hearing the Gospel. If you still want to burn the Koran after those considerations you really aren’t that much different in spirit from a fanatical Muslim.
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:35pm@ ISLES………….Let me try to clarify. I am at work and getting bits and pieces of your posts and others and trying to treat people without making mistakes and post with you about deep truths (whew). I believe that the written words as found in the Bible find their eternal nature in the realization that those words simply reflect the eternal truths of God as seen as the Trinity in scripture. They existed not as words on a page but in the reality of who God was, is and is to come. Therefore, the written words took place in space and time to communicate those eternal truths to humanity. They will continue to exist in the same manner that they will have represented accurately who God was, is and is to come and His plan that was initiated, purposed and completed in space and time. But just as a history books words that are written convey realities that actually occurred in space and time and are accurately reflective of history’s nature those words on the pages may eventually cease to exist but the truth that they communicated will never cease to exist. That is my position. It is the truth the written words convey that is eternal and in this case Jesus and the truth about Jesus as he has revealed them to us are both eternal.
I believe the disagreement you and i have is what this news interviewer tried to state. I know they see the Qu’ran differently than we may the Bible in the sense that they hold it up to a position most Christians would not. However, this man’s explanation to the public was false because he misrepresented what Christians believe about the Bible being in fact the word of God not merely written by men, but written by men inspired by God’s Spirit. No different then what Muslims believe about Muhammad being the conduit for Allah to write his words. So although I agree with you that they may see their “holy book” a little differently the representation that this guy gave was faulty and inaccurate as it relates to the Muslims killing people in response to burning the Qu’ran. They do not know how I see the Bible and I doubt they care. Like I originally stated therefore I may draw the assumption that this is a ruse to address “Christians” who want to espouse how they do not respond to Bible burning with such ire. So to somehow “justify” or soften a Muslims response the distinction is attempted to be made, even if it relied on a misrepresentation of the realities.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:40pm“But Paul makes it very clear what is from him and what is from the Lord. And so we MUST assume wherever that distinction is not made that it is assumed to be the words of God as the men were inspired by the Spirit to write down.”
But Paul makig this distinction proves that God does not always dictate and that Paul was not expecting himself to write only what God dictated. I thus don’t feel compelled to assume everything is dictated unless otherwise noted. rather, I assume everything is inspried WITHOUT dictation unless otherwise noted.
But this doesn’t make the non-dictated words any less authoritative. They are still inspired by the Spirit both to be written and to be preserbed as the Word of God.
Verbal dictation simply is nonsensical as a theory for it cannot account for the literary differences between the scriptures. Why is Luke different in tone and vocabulary from Mark and John? Why does Peter say that the things Paul writes are sometimes hard to understand, 2 Pt 3:16? If God simply dictated he would have overridden their individual perspectives and limitations. We do not see that in the texts. Thus we must conclude that inspiration is a more complex process than simple dictation. Scripture is, like the Incarnate Word it represents, both fully human and fully divine at the same time. I saw Ghosh as simply identifying that human reality. We wouldn’t call a man unChristian for saying that Jesus was a man, not a spirit, would we? The Docetists believed Jesus only appeared to be flesh. John opposed them as heretics and deniers of the Gospel.
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watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:47pm@ Isles…………..But Paul makig this distinction proves that God does not always dictate and that Paul was not expecting himself to write only what God dictated. I thus don’t feel compelled to assume everything is dictated unless otherwise noted. rather, I assume everything is inspried WITHOUT dictation unless otherwise noted.
But this doesn’t make the non-dictated words any less authoritative. They are still inspired by the Spirit both to be written and to be preserbed as the Word of God.
AGREED !!!! Inspired to me does not mean dictated in the strict sense of the word. God obviously used men in their individual personalities to convey His truth. So I believe we agree on this point I see nothing that you have stated on this issue (the word of God and men conveying it in Scripture) that I don’t agree with.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:52pm“this man’s explanation to the public was false because he misrepresented what Christians believe about the Bible being in fact the word of God not merely written by men, ”
I got you. But I did not here him say the word “merely”. If he had said that I would agree with you about his underlying disbelief in the divinity of the Bible. Not hearing that word I cannot infer it from what else he said.
I am reminded of the heated exhange between Cyril of Alexandria and Theodoret of Cyrrus over the two natures of Christ back in the fifth century. Each, coming from their distinct areas of the church, were dealing with different heresies regarding Christ’s nature and so saw those heresies reflected in the writings of the other. Thoedoret, living in Syria, was empahszing Christ’s humanity because he saw the Alexandrians tending to be weak in that area. Cyril saw his emphasis of the human nature took it to be a deliberate overemphasis reflective of the denial of Christ’s divinity common among Syrian heretics. So Cyril blasted Theodoret and strongly emphasized Christ’s divinity, which Theodoret interpreted as….well, you get the story. Both men were fully orthodox but it took time, and a Council, for them to realize that.
Things never change. :-)
Report Post »crazedbanshee
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 1:59pmIt is unrealistic to say these books should never be burned. A book is simply paper and ink, because of deterioration, over time the usability of a book, or flag for that matter will be gone. There must be a way to dispose of items such as these. If you hold the item, book, flag, whatever it may bet to be sacred. I would hope one would dispose of those items respectfully. I am not offended in the least if another person burns the text I hold sacred, to them it is just papers and ink. If the text I hold sacred were hard to obtain, I would protect it with my life. However this is not the case with either text mentioned in this story.
Report Post »ME
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:16pmburn them all
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just know only one will cost you in the after life, and for the dense it is not the koran
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:19pmThe only reason the Left says not to burn Bibles is because Christians are perfectly fine with it, per se. You’re not actually destroying the message by destroying a Bible – that’s a non-sequitur.
Not that burning the Bible, or any book, is a particularly good thing, of course. But if they’re ours, we can burn them if we want.
As for the Bible being written by man, as I’ve said before, that is a distinction without a difference in the case of the Bible.
2 Tim. 3:16
“16 All Scripture is inspired by God ["inspired by God" = theopneustos, "god breathed"] and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
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ME
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:19pmsucker not suck:)
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 2:37pm@ ME ……lol now that was funny.
@ ISLES…… I agree with the tendencies argument. I still think the reason he didn’t elaborate more on how Christians really see the Bible is because the whole thing is agenda driven. I point to the fact that it was a news interview on a “news” network so I still don’t see where my conclusions are wrong. But I thank you for your insightful comments once again friend. God Bless!!!!!
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Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:05pm@Islesfordian
Burning the Koran isn’t CAUSING anyone to commit murder – they kill people because they wanted to do it anyway.
You wouldn‘t shop at only one place just because someone threatened to kill someone else if you didn’t, would you?
You don’t let people take your freedom just because they threaten to do something – it’s completely within their power to kill or refrain from doing so – THEY DON’T NEED A REASON.
Report Post »Wornout
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:08pmThe proper disposal method of a worn or damaged flag is to burn it. Check with your local VFW or Boy Scouts of America for assistance with this. As for burning books, God’s word will continue, regardless of how many pages are put to the flame. The definition of scripture is the “words of God” written down. The difference between this Christian, and these men- I won’t kill you for burning my scriptures, I will just go buy another. Oh, and I might file charges with the local police for vandalism.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:08pm@ ISLES…………..I watched the whole thing again keeping in mind your position. And I just don’t see it the way you do. It was obviously a set up to castigate the Florida pastor and demonize him while giving an excuse for incensed Muslims because it was a direct attack on God and somehow we Christians whose book is written by men just don’t understand the sensibilities of Muslims. I feel it was a total hit piece with some subtle and some not so subtle objectives aimed at certain people because of liberal agendas. I just don’t see how you can give the guy a pass or the interviewer on this point to me it is obvious what they were trying to do especially when you look at the segment on a whole and what language and tone was used about the Florida pastor and what language and tone was used of Muslims. I feel totally secure and justified in my position even more now that I have watched it a second time trying to screen it through your position. Just my 2 cents.
Report Post »joe3
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:21pmamerica needs a massive burn the koran day, let the crazies know what we think about their islamic aggression. if that means we are out of sand land, so be it, they declared war on us. we will never win hearts and minds, lets let them know they wont either.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:27pmSo we castigate this Florida pastor for burning a Qu’ran because it incensed Muslims. Well, I am here to tell you that if asked publicly I will state what I believe about the Qu’ran. That it is evil and teaches evil things and that it is not from God and that Muhammad was not a prophet in anyway but was a liar used by the Enemy to profligate his lies and lead many astray. You don’t think that would inflame Muslims everywhere, but I would state the truth. As a Christian how could I state anything else but the truth if asked? No I wouldn’t necessarily go out of my way to intentionally provoke Muslims, but if I am going to speak the truth in love, how would I not anger them? Would it not look much like Jesus when he confronted the false ideas of the Pharisees (and they had the true scriptures but used them wrongly and missed the whole point of them)? They hated him because he confronted their false doctrines and understandings and convicted them of evil. So just because someone gets upset or even violent is no reason not to speak truth. I see this as another slippery slope to closing the mouth of religious expression if this kind of mentality is carried to extremes under the guise of hate speech crimes. I still think we are allowing the focus of this story to settle more on the shoulders of this pastor than where it mainly belongs…..on the shoulders of murderers!!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 3:50pmSorry WATCH, I watched it again myself, and I don’t know what you are responding to. We have already discussed the portion in the transcript above. But you are claiming a context that puts it in another light. Where do you get that context? What was specifically said that makes you feel it was “a total hit piece”? It seems you wanted them to say something that they didn’t say. What was that, and why do you think it needed to be said for it not to be a hit piece? I saw it as fairly objective and fair, given that it was from the more liberal end. They talked about how Muslim resentment against the west is like a tinderbox stoked up by religious leaders.
Yeas they are coming down hard on this pastor. But so would I. His action accomplished nothing possitive. I can’t see this will make the Gospel more receptive in Muslim lands or how it will make the lives of westerners any safer theer. So what good did his burning that book accomplish. God doesn’t give a rip. He’ll burn ALL false books in his own time. He doesn’t need us to do it.
Frankly, the West in in a hoistage situation with the muslim world. While we have people over there who will be held, rightly or wrongly, responsible for our actions then we have to behave as we would if they had a school held hostage. You don’t piss off the hostage takers for the hell of it. If you can get a good shot at them with a sniper then do it. But that isn‘t the situation and it wasn’t the topic being discussed. the topic was, why do these people react this way, and how are we involved in their game? In that regard I didn’t hear anything I disagreed with.
I would like to know what specifically they said that you think was wrong.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:06pm@SMOKINBUGSY,
The Bible is the sacred word of God, the Koran is a book that is held sacred and though we may not agree that it is sacred we should respect the fact that it is held sacred and therefore should not burn it.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:10pm@ ISLES……………With regard to the pastor and his actions we are in agreement. I don’t think it accomplished anything positive at all. I would not espouse it nor do I defend his actions. I was simply stating the context for my assumption on making a statement about the Bible being the written words of men and the Qu’ran being the words of Allah were not elaborated on and if you look at the tone and disgust the interviewer used toward the pastor especially in the opening and that Zogby had to remind him at least twice to apply the same standard to the Muslims then it is obvious to me that the interviewer had an agenda. That is why the man who misrepresented what Christians believe about the Bible was not challenged or questioned more, in my opinion. That is why I do not give the benefit of the doubt to either one of them. I see it as an attempt to subtly excuse the actions of murderers (or at least soften their actions as poor little misled people by evil extremists) and to place more blame on the pastor (and Christians if they do not condemn this action). However, I do not see the same call for Muslims to condemn all the terrorism and murder by people of their faith, this guy only burned a book and we are all but building the gallows. I believe it serves as a distraction from the nature of what we are faced with and where the problem really lies is not with an unwise man who is burning a book but with a “religion” that would feel justified in killing people because of it. We are not calling a spade a spade but playing the PC game when we accept the premise laid out in this interview without exposing the agenda that is behind it. The end of the interview was how do we deal with this Florida guy? I am so tired of giving the murderers and violent Muslims passes and excuses, it nauseates me. You do not need the internet or a newspaper to tell you killing people is wrong, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard for an excuse. These poor little gullible Afghans are just putty in the hands of extremists (although I acknowledge they may be influential, but only as far as the people want to indulge their murderous desires in the first place). I see that argument the same as saying the German‘s were under the spell of Hitler and really don’t deserve being held responsible for their atrocities against the Jews. Let’s just call it for what it was. The pastor was unwise and foolish the people in Afghan were murderers. Place the blame where it belongs fool on one hand murder on the other.
Report Post »Carolina Patriot
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:13pmFor the record, there is a circumstance where the flag should be burned. That is when its life is over and it is to be put to rest. To review your flag etiquette, go to:
http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html
When I was a kid, at about third grade we were taught flag etiquette, so I know that those of you who said to never burn the flag had a gap in your education.
CP
Report Post »dhelgesen
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:20pmozchambers
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:37am
He couldnt be more wrong. Every believing Christian understands that The Bible is the inspired word of God Himself! The men were divinely inspired and directed.
It’s called the word of God for a reason…..
YOU SUMMED IT UP BEAUTIFULLY – THANK YOU
This guy is also the same guy who faked a news about marines killing women and children. How can you put this guy on the air? Oh right its MSNBC….
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:34pm@ ISLES……….I don‘t disagree with your last statement but I am not defending the Pastor’s actions either. I am also not stating that I would necessarily state hey Muslim your Qu’ran is of Satan (hopefully you know me a little bit better than that and would give me a little credit), there take that. But I would if asked answer truthfully about its origin and that would incense any Muslim, agreed? That was my point in my statement. Even a well framed word even the mere assertion that there beliefs are lies to many would invoke their wrath. Not necessarily the truly inquisitive, but to the faithful Muslim, surely you would agree.
Report Post »RadioRob
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 4:53pm@decendentof56
Report Post »Burning Books has and still is used for suppression of knowledge. The preacher in Florida is a first class moron and has Bean Curds For Brains. He did what he did out of stupidity. While the 1st amendment give the right to free and open speech, it dose NOT allow for speech that insights riot. That is his crime. It does not excuse what those individuals in Afghanistan did. And the same could be said about those people who protested soldiers funerals. They do so to incite riots and hurt people. That kind of speech is not and has never been protected under the First Amendment constitution of the United States of America. But we have a problem in this country we won’t go after the people who speak hate. We go on with our happy little lives blissfully ignoring the growing hatred of the minority of the people who have bean curds for brains. The idiot preacher in Florida did the same thing as shouting “Fire!” In a crowded theater. So he and his congregation should be arrested, tried, and convicted for First Amendment violations. Not only did he seek to suppress knowledge he also incited riots, while trying to hide behind First Amendment rights. Those are his crimes, and we should be going after him with every applicable law. While burning a flag is just as reprehensible that is not the topic of this thread.
pook3
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:23pmI agree we shouldnt burn the koran we should burn muslims instead. There are no good muslims they are all evil
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:32pm@JRook
Report Post »You are free to believe what you want to believe in, that is your right. But could you explain how it is a known fact that the odds of this earth being created the way science says, big bang and all that other nonsense, the odds are higher for a tornado to go through a salvage yard and building a fully functioning airplane than that other nonsense.
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:33pm@Islesfordian,
“It’s a small loss of freedom to me, but nothing compared to the lives of innocents.”
That small loss of freedom EQUALS the loss of lives to innocents, as soon as you try to assert your freedom. And all they have to do to take more of your freedoms is to threaten more people.
“If I saw someone else be killed whenever I did shop elsewhere I would recognize the pattern. If I could not physically stop them from killing I would do my part to see to it that no one died following my actions. My freedom to do something unnecessary is not worth another’s life.”
You’re talking about people who “love death more than [we] love life”. So, as soon as you take the position you have, they will use it as an excuse to kill more people. They will kill women and children – they will kill even their own civilians – to achieve their end.
Your position is extremely naive.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:38pm@Islesfordian,
“You don’t piss off the hostage takers for the hell of it.”
While appeasing the hostage takers saves you lives now, it empowers them to kill more later – because they know they have power.
This is why America USED to take the position that we would not negotiate with terrorists.
Report Post »wareaglegirl
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 5:44pmThe BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD……….men did pen the scrolls as men penned the Quaran, the difference is that MAN wrote the Quaran……I do not support the pastor burning the Quran BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A REASON TO KILL ANYONE……….THESE ARE NUTBAGS DOING THE KILLING………WHY WHY WHY can msnbc not call them that and legitimize them by interviewing them! That is why my remote NEVER stops at those channels.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:06pm“While appeasing the hostage takers saves you lives now, it empowers them to kill more later – because they know they have power.”
What is the logical and practical alternative? We are arguing over the freedom to do unnecessary things when human lives are at risk. You will risk them for principle’s sake? What is the long term plan? Since, as you admit, life means little to them, how will you secure the most lives in the long run? If you scroll above I have explained what I think the strategy is for defeating them, but I don’t think it likely we are ready to follow that yet, not until many more lives are lost.
So, I give up the freedom to burn a koran, which I don’t really care to do any way as it gains me nothing. You say they will be emboldened to ask for greater concessions on my part. Agreed. That seems logical. But I would rather wait until they demand I give up a freedom I actually care about, whose loss is a little more comparable to the loss of life they have shown they will inflict on Koran burning.The minute I lose an essential freedom I am with you. The freedom to be an assh*le may be a freedom some radical libertarians will fight for, but at the cost of their lives, at the cost of other’s lives? I’m not so sure. If someone threatens to kill my sister if I download pornography am I really going to say. “I don’t negotiate with terrorists! No where can I find some naked Asians?”
Let’s put this in real life terms. Would I feel my freedom infringed if I refrained from telling my brother’s boss what an moron I thought he was because my brother might likely get fired? Sure, the guy is a moron and I would love to tell him that. It wouldn’t cost me anything. But it would my brother. Is that fair? No. Am I a coward for keeping silent? No. I’m just being decent.
This is perhaps a subjective equation. The line you draw may not be the same as mine, but there is a line. Only an self centered ass would risk the lives of others to defend his absolute freedom to do whatever he wanted no matter what the consequences.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:22pm@Islesfordian,
“But I would rather wait until they demand I give up a freedom I actually care about, whose loss is a little more comparable to the loss of life they have shown they will inflict on Koran burning.The minute I lose an essential freedom I am with you.”
The minute you lose an “essential” freedom, the Progressives will have crippled your ability to do anything about it by having first taken “non-essential” freedoms.
You are ripe for the picking. You need to wake up.
Report Post »monroeslb
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:37pmWe shouldn’t burn the Koran or the Bible. If some nut job burns the Koran then the Muslim extremist can kill people? I think it is just an excuse for the Muslims to kill Christians and Jews.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:45pmSince I have seen that some arguments can be miscinstrued by what is Not said I should make myself clear:
I am Not saying that Koran burning should be banned, or that the pastor should be held responsible or punished in any way. I wouldn’t mind pointing out how I thought he bore some responsibility and leaving it with his concience.
I am definietly Not saying that criticism of Islam should be avoided or discouraged as long as that criticism isn’t needlesly offensive in MANNER, rather than in content. Here I should make clear that I am not a 1st amendment fanatic who sees freedom of expression as covered by the amendment. Pornography is not constitutionally protected. Neither is obscene speech or burning the flag. Speech and its intellectual comtemt should be protected. Hate speech laws are by definition unconstitutional because they rely on the content of thought to define them, and thoughts may not be infringed. Moreover, they are often used to forbid offensive IDEAS rather than an offensive manner of expressing them. One should be able to point out that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old and that such relationships are abhorent today.That does not mean that one should be equally free to yell, “Muhammad’s a ******* pervert!” The two thoughts may be idetical, but their forms are not.
Speech appeals to the mind, but visible actions appeal to the emotions. Burning a Koran is not a necessary way of communicating an idea. It may be the most effective way of communicating contempt, but that communication is by definition intended to create more heat than light, more emotional reaction than intellectual understanding.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:46pm@Islesfordian,
“What is the logical and practical alternative? We are arguing over the freedom to do unnecessary things when human lives are at risk. You will risk them for principle’s sake?”
It is both logical and practical to deny terrorists that which gives them power to terrorize. Terrorists will kill for any reason – they merely SAY that they will strike a deal for positioning, kind of like how Hamas calls for a “cease fire” whenever they want to regroup and reload after Israel pounds them for terrorizing them.
We are arguing over the freedom to do unnecessary things because it is those freedoms which are necessary to secure the individual rights of American citizens against attempts to enslave us, whih attempts start small – kind of like boiling a frog slowly so it doesn‘t know it’s being killed.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 6:49pm“The minute you lose an “essential” freedom, the Progressives will have crippled your ability to do anything about it by having first taken “non-essential” freedoms.”
You are right. I misspoke. I MEANT to say that the minute my essential freedoms are threatened I am with you. I will not wait for them to be lost.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:06pmEXCUSE ME.. what BUBBLE brain believes this BS??? I don’t think EITHER should be burned however.. they BOTH are written and translated by MAN..REGARDLESS of what some may think..and ANYONE who thinks that KILLING someone is the right way to go when they feel they are slighted are NOT going to get the life ever after they THINK they are..
Report Post »jjack
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:07pmit’s a book the word and teachings reside in you not some damn book.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:08pm@Islesfordian,
“You are right. I misspoke. I MEANT to say that the minute my essential freedoms are threatened I am with you. I will not wait for them to be lost.”
You won’t be able to do anything about it, when they take your essential freedoms (like the freedom of speech, which is why they’re going after the Koran burners), because, like I said, they will have already crippled your ability to resist the attempt.
If I want to take your guns, I make you register them so I know who to target; I take a shooting crisis and tax and fine gun holders hard so that they will not buy any, or get rid of the ones that they have – I’m thinning out the herd of gun holders, now, see how that works?
If I want to take your freedom of speech, I control a media organization and then claim “inequality” when other stations don’t broadcast my position; I note that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is dangerous, while concealing the fact that it’s better than dying in an actual burning theater.
Etc., etc.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:13pm“It is both logical and practical to deny terrorists that which gives them power to terrorize. Terrorists will kill for any reason”
It is also necessary not to impute too much irrationality as well as too much calculation to the mobs being incited by the religious leaders. One cannot get an angry mob of Muslims to riot over just ANYTHING. There are things which naturally push their buttons more than others. They are not complete mindless tools of their manipulators. Thus they also cannot be expected to be thinking that much when they are rioting. If we deprived them of Koran burnings and pictures of Muhammad the leaders will have to work harder to incite the mob. Why should we not make it harder for them?
You seem to be operating from the assumption that manipulating US is their primary goal. It isn’t. Keeping the masses agitated IS. What we do can feed into the jihadists desire to keep the mob angry. This is also the desire of the rulers, because it deflects from hatred of them. What we do can play into that equation
There IS a hearts and minds component to our strategy. But it is equally as important not to communicate weakness as it is not to communicate deliberate insults. Right now we are majoring in communicating weakness on top of insults. We must reverse this. But it will not be reversed through provocative actions like Koran burning, unless the strategy is to keep enraging the muslims until they become so violent we are forced to unleash the nukes. But that sounds like pushing for Armegedon to get to the kingdom of God.
Bottom line for me is that the only thing that makes the jihadist weaker is force, the threat that we or someone will kill them. Excercizing our freedom indefinace of their violence makes them no weaker, and it makes some people much deader. If we aren’t going to kill the bastards then we should be more restrained in how we piss them off when they have hostages. If you want to burn a Koran, wait until we have someone in the White House with balls.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:20pm“You won’t be able to do anything about it, when they take your essential freedoms (like the freedom of speech, which is why they’re going after the Koran burners), because, like I said, they will have already crippled your ability to resist the attempt”
Buring a Koran is not a freedom of speech issue, because it is not speech. Essential freedoms are the freedom of speech, press and religion and the freedom to defend those freedoms with arms. Freedom to burn a Koran or a flag, to use obscene language, to fornicate or create pornography, these are not essential freedoms. There is no slippery slope involved here.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 7:38pm@ ISLES……………..Bottom line for me is that the only thing that makes the jihadist weaker is force, the threat that we or someone will kill them. Excercizing our freedom indefinace of their violence makes them no weaker, and it makes some people much deader. If we aren’t going to kill the bastards then we should be more restrained in how we piss them off when they have hostages. If you want to burn a Koran, wait until we have someone in the White House with balls.
Now I see a little of the fire in your belly in this last statement. I knew you weren’t that stoic on the situation given their actions :-) Different views on a very difficult and serious topic,,,,,go figure !!!
Report Post »Uncle Sambo
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 8:07pmIt sounds like more of the same double standards that come out of liberal’s f—– mouths.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 8:22pm“I knew you weren’t that stoic on the situation given their actions”
Stoic, nuts! :-)
I’m just wrestling with the urge to defend our freedom to give these savages the finger on the one hand and the real deaths of 11 innocent people on the other. It‘s a pissy world and absolutism isn’t always the best or most effective strategy.
I would feel a lot better if we could unleash the dogs.
Report Post »bobandruth2416
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 8:26pmBoth Qur’an and the bible are printed by man…burning doesn’t destroy either…hopefully the religious meaning of either is stronger than burning a piece of paper…same with the flag…it is just manufactured symbolism…you have destroyed nothing by burning. The words in the Qur’an were supposedly delivered by the angel Gabriel to some guy on the ground with a printing press…I can’t see it as being any more or any less important than the bible. The big difference is that the Qur’an is basically a book of mandates whereas the bible is more like suggestions…somewhat simplified, but that’s it.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:15pm@ ISLES…………..I am just curious…..does seeing other peoples points of view and opinions ever make you rethink your position or thoughts? I know that even if I am not persuaded I still go away and think and consider the thoughts. I have even on occasion either softened my position or changed my thoughts on things. I find that certain people have my ear more than others after I see them post enough to know a little more about where they are coming form. Just curious what you take away from some of our debates and others as well…..BTW laughed at your last post….
Report Post »Peace
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 9:59pmWhen you have to KILL PEOPLE to stay in your religion, it is a CULT.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:02pm@Islesfordian,
“One cannot get an angry mob of Muslims to riot over just ANYTHING.”
Nobody’s “getting” them to riot. They want to control people, so they riot until people fall in line.
“There are things which naturally push their buttons more than others. They are not complete mindless tools of their manipulators. Thus they also cannot be expected to be thinking that much when they are rioting.”
The things which naturally push their buttons is not being in control of others. They wish to impose Shariah law on everyone, and they riot when others disrespect their pretended authority.
“If we deprived them of Koran burnings and pictures of Muhammad the leaders will have to work harder to incite the mob. Why should we not make it harder for them?”
If they didn‘t demand that we adhere to a religion that we don’t believe in, we wouldn’t burn Korans or draw pictures of Mohammad.
“You seem to be operating from the assumption that manipulating US is their primary goal. It isn’t. Keeping the masses agitated IS.”
This is false. They would be completely peaceful if we did everything they said – every battered woman knows this. The goal is domination, which is why they must be resisted.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 10:33pm@Islesfordian,
“Buring a Koran is not a freedom of speech issue, because it is not speech. Essential freedoms are the freedom of speech, press and religion and the freedom to defend those freedoms with arms.”
You forgot to say that burning a Koran is not a freedom to bear arms issue, also. Speech and Guns wasn’t my point.
The point is that we do have the right to criticize any religion we disagree with, and no one may compel us against our will to accept a religion as true. Not even THEY are concerned with whether or not their adherents actually believe Mohammed was who he said he was – a few words, and you’re in; no intelligence required.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:07pmWow! Wow! Wow! This guy, Ghosh, could not be more ignorant if he had lived in a cave all of his life. Christians don’t start slicing the heads off of strangers when the Bible is desecrated for several reasons, but mainly it’s because the Bible teaches us that we shouldn’t do such things. That may sound like I’m stating the obvious, but there are still people who believe the Qur’an teaches Muslims not to be violent despite a history of violence and conquest that stretches back to the birth of Islam.
The Bible teaches believers that we are to love others as we love ourselves and NO ONE has ever killed another person based on anything Jesus said. Furthermore, anyone who cites passages in the OT as proof that God is violent, rather than as a demonstration of divine justice, has a gross misunderstanding, or complete ignorance, of the Bible. On the other hand, there are at least 30 verses in the Qur’an that command followers to murder and brutalize infidels. When Christians pray for people who hate us, we are following the example and teachings of Jesus Christ, when Muslims behead reluctant converts, they are following the example and teachings of Muhammad.
Personally, I say if you burn the Bible, it’s your loss. I believe the Bible is the most awe-inspiring collection of books ever written, I believe it contains the truth about the one true God, I believe it is historically accurate, I believe it contains wisdom that can be found nowhere else and I believe it reveals God’s plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. When people invite their eternal peril by rejecting God’s message in the Bible, I don’t want to kill them, I pity them. For anyone who is still taking the unbelievably naïve position that Islam is a religion of peace, ask yourself one question: If the message of the Qur’an is tolerance and love, why would burning such a tutorial of peace provoke its readers into a fit of rage, causing them to slice off the heads of innocent bystanders?
Report Post »bojax
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 12:05amAll I want to know is where does MSLSD find all these God-less commentators? I can understand the Muslem guy not understanding that the Holy Bible is the inspired “Word of God”(hence the “Holy” in the title) because as a Muslem his “religion” prevents him from even discussing another faith for fear of being labeled an apostate and beheaded for that crime against his beloved Islam, but what’s the commentators excuse? Seriously MSLSD, try hiring someone with an ounce of common sense, or (God forbid) someone who actually has some working knowledge of world religion to do religious commentary. No wonder nobody’s watching your irrelavent network. I’m holding up a finger right now, and I‘d be willing to bet a 20 that commentator clueless couldn’t guess which one it is!
Report Post »nptden
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 1:12amIsn‘t it the ’Qu‘ran’ ? Koran sounds like something from Korea. lol
Report Post »rattler1958
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 1:59amIts PAPER. Radical excuse. I had a guy at a a breakfast place say I “looked is woman UP” as they were leaving. I am white. They were Black. She was good looking. I just told the DUMMY to date UGLY WOMEN!!!! LUCKY MAN. I get so tired of this BS. Haves/Have nots/ owe me. HISTORY. I KNOW MINE TO 1032. Been here since 1620 in VA.
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 6:08amTwo nincopoops talking to each other and neither one has grip on the truth. So the Bible was written by man ? It was but Holy Men of God who were filled and inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.Therefore, the BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD. The Bible was written centuries before the writing of the Koran and it has been divinely preserved until today. I’m agaist the burning of the Bible, Koran or any other so called religious books and any flag from any country.
The Koran was written by men, who were not inspired by the Holy Spirit of God . They conflict with one another and God is not the author of confusion, man is and it was man, the so called prophet of God, Mohammed, who wrote the Koran. Mohammed is far from a holy man of God. He was a murderer and a pedophile who had several wives, the youngest being only 9 years old when he took her for his wife and consumated the “marriage”.
Report Post »UPSETVET
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 6:24amThe Bible is 100% spiritual, The Koran is 20% spiritual and 80 political. The Koran doesn’t promote the spiritual welfare of mankind but the Bible does. The Koran promotes it‘s political agenda and it’s carnality but doesn’t have anything to do with spirituallity.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 6:54amThis “IS” H.S.! This is like telling a 5 year old his tantrums are okay if they are about candy and not about playing nice with others.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 7:38amOk I won’t burn that damn child molestor book, I will use it for toilet paper instead! Seriously, just the fact we have “ivy league” scholarly types debating this makes me SICK!! Continue to act like you are sympathetic to this peaceful religion so they don’t cut off your head too!!
Report Post »drbage
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 8:27amThis guy and his partner in nonsense would probably have used the same justifications for the Taliban’s destruction of the Buddhas in Afghanistan.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 9:20amBut our own Government had Arabic translations of the Bible seized and then publicly burned in
Report Post »Afghanistan by the the military command . in 2009 . The old taboo of not messing with another persons religion is reasonable-but I am so bone weary of our American Government encouraging Islam and doing all it can to make America as godless as our Government now seems to be.We were “discovered ” by
Christopher Columbus(a European Christian serving a Christian King) Calvin is more the virtual founding father of America than any other.Our Government ought encourage Christianity more than any other religion-for the founding principle that Religion and Morality are necessary to good government -and in America’s founding that religion was Christianity and the Morality based upon our Christian Religion. The First Amendment right recognized as the freedom to freely exercise ones religion applies equally to the Christian as to any false religion i.e. the bloody cult of Islam. To say burning the Bible is less serious than burning a Koran is saying one is not a Christian -and it says the beguiled Muslims are less human–and less capable of controlling their passions.I.e. Montequieu the Christian Baron from France was right Islam is more suited to despotic rule.Christianity to Democracy ,and Catholicism to Monarchy.
Ser Scot
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 9:22amShouldn‘t doesn’t mean can’t.
Report Post »indy1
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 9:37amIt’s just a book. Muslims need to man up.
Report Post »copycat042
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 11:13amAgreed, they should not be burned, but the greater principle here is that there should never be any law prohibiting their burning.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 12:41pmBurning a Koran is ‘Much’ Worse than Burning a Bible
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OH PLEASE.
It’s worse because readers of the Koran riot and Murder innocent People.
paperpushermj
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 12:56pmDo I Have this Right? A Muslim Gentleman is Instructing Christians that the Koran is the Direct Word of God ,But the Christian Bible is Not and in fact was Written by Man.
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Burning a Koran is ‘Much’ Worse than Burning a Bible
Is that readers of the Koran riot and Murder innocent people at the slightest offense.
Progessives=Fail
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 1:00pmIn a sense he is correct, burning a koran is worse because it causes mobs of muslims to riot, behead, and kill any innocents they can get their hands on.
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Posted on April 5, 2011 at 1:02pm338_LM
Posted on April 4, 2011 at 11:02am
“No books should be burned”???? As a Libertarian, I don’t care what you burn as a citizen, so long as they’re not MY property, you’re not burning them ON my property, and I have to breathe the smoke if I don’t want to. Come on people, books are paper, and burning them is a statement – foolish or not, we have the 1st Amendment protection to do it, and TRUST ME – YOU WANT THAT PROTECTION. Let’s try, “No people should be killed because someone else made a point by burning a book.”
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Amen brother! Well said.
Report Post »mrsmileyface
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 1:32pmGOD is the final judge. On both books. As far as where MSNBC finds these loons? They have a loon farm outside Paramus NJ.
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 3:45pmActually, the Star Spangled Banner, if it touches the ground, must be burned.
And if burning a Koran is a direct attach on “Allah”, then why does Allah need his earthly minions to kill on his behalf? If Allah is under direct assault, is he not capable of smiting his assailants? If not, then he must not exist.
Yet another example of how Islam is a totalitarian cult, and not a real faith.
Report Post »b0thergirl
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 4:21pmAn earlier poster said that flags shouldn’t be burned. There are certain times it is right to burn the American Flag
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 9:05pmIf anyone believes for an instant burning a koran or bible or even flag insults God, then they worship a petty and foolish god.
Report Post »Good luck with your reverence of the form over the spirit.
TheGreyPiper
Posted on April 5, 2011 at 10:04pmOh I dunno, I think the UN flag needs a good torching once in a while — just in the name of freedom of expression, of course!
Report Post »rattler1958
Posted on April 6, 2011 at 2:27amYOU BURN MY FLAG. TAKE YOU AND YOURS OUT OF THE GENE POOL. Terrorist lives with a wife a kids. SORRY. WAR IS WAR. Last WAR was WW2. IF WE NEED TO FIGHT, WE NEED TO WIN. That is IN US. 132 countrys. WHY? F the world and bring all of them home. ( most) Why are WE the world cops? UN is a JOKE. Make that equal $$$$$$$$. I want OUR $$$$$$$$$$$ BACK.
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