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MSNBC Guest Highlights Parallels Between Gotham and America…and Guess Where George Zimmerman Fits

MSNBC Guest Richard Kim Ties Dark Knight Shooting to George Zimmerman | America is Like Failed State Gotham

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MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry asked her guests today whether cultural factors should be discussed in association with the recent shooting in Aurora, Colorado, where James Holmes allegedly killed twelve people and wounded dozens of others at the midnight premiere of “The Dark Knight.”

(Related: MSNBC Host: 9/11 Gave America ‘PTSD’, ‘Muslim Terrorists’ Were An ‘Imagined Racial Enemy’ for White America)

In response, Richard Kim of The Nation drew a parallel between modern America and the fictional failed state of Gotham, saying that men like George Zimmerman are being “encouraged to vigilantism because we’ve cut all these police forces.”

He also said that that it’s hard to tell the difference between Batman and the Joker in a discussion over violence that is “just,“ and violence that is ”unjust.”

Watch the clip, via Mediaite, below:

Kim argued: “And what the movie depicts is that it’s very difficult in a failed state to tell what is just and unjust violence, right?  What’s the difference between a terrorist like the Joker, and [Batman], a vigilante?  And so you look at America now, and it’s not too much a stretch to say that in those horrific moments in Aurora we approached a failed state.  When someone can buy that kind of ammunition and these weapons online…”

He continued: “When you have people like George Zimmerman encouraged to vigilantism because we’ve cut all these police forces…you have the shards of a failed state so I think that’s a very profound, a very profound, sort of reflection, a dark reflection, really. Do we want to live in that night?”

Many commenters were seemingly confused by Kim’s comments.

Is he saying that America could be approaching a failed state because we don’t have enough police officers, and we need stricter gun control laws?  Who exactly is George Zimmerman in this scenario?

After a number of comments pointing out the high unemployment rate and skyrocketing national debt– and how that would seemingly indicate we could become a failed state– one commenter just asked: “So you‘re saying ’Replace the President?’”

Another simply wrote: “How do these people get a job?”

(H/T: Mediaite)

Comments (128)

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  • Daveed
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:46pm

    Richard Kim of “the nation” Seriously You are modeling Hollywood crappy movies to reality and actually can pull a comparison out of your ——- between America and a cartoon character? George Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was a neighborhood watch guy, like a community organizer for the safety of the hood, ya know dog? He was attacked and he defended himself. Much like the Chinese airliner that was being hijacked and the Chinese beat them to a pulp! Why don’t you speak on that Mr.Kim? Dishonest men fear honest men having guns. Speak on that Mr. Kim. All that you non sensical and the American people are scratching their heads.

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    • nobama2012yeswecan
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:58am

      from one daveed to another…BRAVO DOGG!!
      If she was naked and covered in bacon, I couldn’t watch this Jr.High School Debate Team second string fluffer!!
      OK ,maybe if she was covered in bacon,but it has to be crispy bacon…and apple smoked..thick cut..

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    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:18am

      Did someone mention Bacon? I would much rather talk bacon then review this gibberish

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    • Winedude
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:40am

      Why was Zimmerman attacked? Because he was too stupid to listen to instructions and not only kept following Martin and then got out of the relative safety of his car. If for no other reason than that he’s a fool and a liar, I‘m betting that he’ll be tried and convicted.

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    • CatB
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:13am

      @DUDE .. .lay off the wine .. and the whine. Zimmerman was in his own neighborhood and had EVERY right to walk wherever the H he wanted .. what Trayvone did not have was the right to attack someone … anyone.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:18am

      “[E]ncouraged to vigilantism because we’ve cut all these police forces”?

      What an impressive feat of sophistry.

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    • burke
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:31am

      He should hav ebeen one of the victims, the piece of crap that he is.

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    • historyguy48
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:03am

      Comrade this is a sad, sad, comment on the education our children are getting in public schools! If these people had even a 1/2 a brain they would be dangerous and if BS was feathers they would be able to fly.

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    • lookatthefactsjack
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:20am

      If only 1 good citizen, like George Zimmerman, had been in that movie theater, the death toll would have been WAY less.

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    • DonaldH
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:11am

      Winedude
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:40am
      Why was Zimmerman attacked? Because he was too stupid to listen to instructions and not only kept following Martin and then got out of the relative safety of his car. If for no other reason than that he’s a fool and a liar, I‘m betting that he’ll be tried and convicted.
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      No, Zimmerman was attacked because we still believe him to be a “white male” and we all know that in the New America the “white male” is the cause of everything BAD– from blobal warming to the murder rate in Chicago– White Males in New America have been conditioned for at least the last generation to bend over and take it hard and NEVER, EVER defend themselves against a female, a gay, illegal immigrant and most of all BLACK MALE— that’s why Zimmerman was attacked– because he dared defend himself against a “minority”

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    • idarusskie
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:07am

      was crime higher or lower during the great depression? It was lower. Divorce was lower. Why because folks had to hunker down and protect one another.

      It seems this guy was too smart for his own good. He was talented but still could not feel good enough about his life to value his and other peoples lives. yet he still sought meaning. Too bad he will find out that this will not give him meaning.

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:09am

      “got out of the relative safety of his car”

      In his own neighborhood…

      Going to lock your doos and cower when the FedEx guy shos up to deliver a package?

      Going to take the car into a ditch if you see a McDonalds wrapper on the side of the road near your house?

      Please… Go be a coward elsewhere…

      I’ll defend my home just like he did, legally.

      Hoodie went for the gun, should’ve saw the gun and jumped off… but nope… went for it…

      Tell me, what are you going to do when they point the gun at your family… hope they shoot your wife and kids first and then hope they remorse and kill themselves?

      You assume like a hollywood movie.

      Kill or be killed at that point. Zimmerman approached and hoodie challenged… oh well… c’est le gere.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:44pm

      The left is absolutely unable to grasp reality and think logically. The assertion that anyone becomes a “vigilante” because police forces are reduced is absolutely not provable. You COULD contend that people join neighborhood watch organizations because crime is rising. When they present the police force reduction ploy, I want to know WHERE and by how many. Further, there is not enough money on the planet to have enough police to PREVENT all crimes. That leaves a situation whereby police investigate crimes that are ALREADY committed. Only, the criminal and the victim are at the scene at the same time, so the victim MIGHT choose to be ready at ALL times. The real reason that crime is worse is a direct result of the collapse of values and ethics in our society, this is the fault of parents and the sense of entitlement that goes with kids who do not learn responsibility and consequences. Maybe the parent is a single parent and cannot provide complete guidance, but I will contend that this is something that is learned early in life and cannot be taught by someone who has no values or moral compass. Thank you liberals with your well intentioned and completely ineffective great society programs. I guess now the only thing that counts is no one starves and everyone has a roof, no matter how substandard. That’s progress?

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Winedude
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:40am
      “Why was Zimmerman attacked? Because he was too stupid to listen to instructions and not only kept following Martin and then got out of the relative safety of his car. If for no other reason than that he’s a fool and a liar, I‘m betting that he’ll be tried and convicted.”

      He wasn’t following per se, he was observing, which is what his job calls for. “Surveillance” is the term used by law enforcement when they observe the meanderings of criminals.

      And you’re stupidly laying the blame for his being viciously attacked by this black perpetrator at his feet, as if everybody deserves to be the victim of crime if they don’t allow black criminals free rein to do what they want to do

      I realize you say what you do, because you ignorantly perceive it will have some kind of psychological impact, but it won’t.

      Most people aren’t as stupid as twinkies.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 6:50pm

      George Zimmerman is a Hero who should receive the Freedom Medal for showing us the way. Holmes is an Obama operative who was ordered to carry out this massacre by the White House so the UN Civilian Disarmament Treaty now before the Senate negotiated by Senator Kerry and Hillary Clinton can receive ramrod hysterical approval.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:00pm

      A Melissa Harris-Perry was discovered attempting to smuggle a handgun onto a NYC flight. We have no way of knowing if this is the same Melissa Harris-Perry media anchor women of MSNBC. But without more evidence and proof we have now way of knowing if this is the same Melissa Harris-Perry of MSNBC, an imposter or what ever because we have no proof. I Melissa Harris-Perry releases her 12 years of income tax returns we would be able to investigate if she is the handgun smuggler but we have no proof it could be anyone. Calls to a Melissa Harris-Perry went un-answered.

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    • scarebear83
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:36pm

      I didn‘t catch it when they were talking about Zimmerman but I caught it when they were talking about if a friend was there and had a gun the guy would have got ten rounds off and then he would’ve been taken down… Kim responded with, “I don’t want to rely on my neighbor, or friends, or vigilantes, or Batman.” After I heard that I so desperately wanted to ask the man, “So you’d rather wait till the police got there and have 12 deaths on your hands instead of relying on your neighbor and the possibility of NO deaths?” I mean I have to wonder sometimes, do liberals actually want people to die? Don’t answer that….

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  • FaithfulFriend
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:04pm

    Everyone at this crackpot outfit, including the nbc mothership, needs to be psych evaluated. They consistently try to infuse their fantasies based on fantasy into reality and in that regard are no different then the shooter.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:18pm

      Honestly, I feel that BSNBC requires all journalists and guest to take a Psych Eval to confirm that they have just enough dementia to be put on the air.

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:10am

      Should be DNbsC

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  • Mike Benton
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:55pm

    How does that network keep sponsors?

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    • Baddoggy
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:02pm

      Stupid young people with ad budgets. They are put in control of the dollars and spend them on the networks and cable outlets they like…That’s how.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:21pm

      I was thinking to myself as I read the story. They have been kept afloat by their parent company NBC so long that they will have to start running paid infomercials after hours and on weekends now instead of that ‘in prison crap.’ NBC has to be about ready to warn them to start paying their own bills, or its the way of Keith Olberman for the rest of them. Microsoft got smart enough to give them the boot.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:51am

      Leo Leport said tonight Microsoft is poorly run and losing money.

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    • burnteye86
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:07am

      They think the’re the smartest 12 year olds in the room

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:49pm

    She is crazy all the time they should put her in a crazy people petting zoo.

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  • TRK
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:46pm

    There is a parallel between Batman and the atmosphere in the world today. Batman has rules, a code he lives by in combating crime. He doesn’t use guns (not that I am for gun control) and does not kill. His adversaries on the other hand have no morals, no rules and don’t care who gets hurt. In fact in the case of the Joker the more that get hurt the better and better yet if it makes no sense. Batman is put at disadvantage because of that, just as good and right is in real life.Amoral people will do or say anything to promote their agenda. Those folks on MSNBC cant see that in a movie, what is wrong and what is right, and they cant tell right from wrong in real life either.

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  • DRsnapper
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:44pm

    notice not one word about violence in movies and on tv,they only talk about it in relation to gun control not the part entertainment violence might have played .also i have not seen the movie so my question is?are ows types portrayed in a negative way or light in this movie and if so could this be a motive for the shooter

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:04am

      What ever happened to Dirty Harry and Charles Bronson ?

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:19pm

      I had to sit through a “forum” about gun violence once, after the Chardon tragedy in my home state Ohio. I heard every. excuse. possible. for gun violence. Oh, video games are too realistic, shooters don’t know the bliss of social justice, blah blah….

      the hippy girl talking about this is a professional partier. Yep, she’s paid by “Rock the House Cleveland” to be a party organizer, which means yuck it up with guests at a catered event, drink, dance on stage, and wear next to nothing.

      I couldn’t wait to get out of high school after that

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  • Baddoggy
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:41pm

    Cut police forces? WTF is he talking about? The police have been MILITARIZED. They have NOT been cut! Hell, they have state of the art equipment and cars and military offensive weapons. This man is stupid.

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    • Ishmot2
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:21am

      You’ve got that right, they keep adding to the force here where I live, which is a waste of money. If you need a cop in a second he’s only 15 min. away, sure as hell don’t need anymore sitting around at Dun ken Doughnuts waiting for a call to clean up the mess the bad guy left because they wont allow guns in the theater! or sitting around in their car watching porn on there brand new computers we bought them. Waste of tax payers money. A cop is five times more likely to shoot an innocent bystander then a citizen with a gun. Because of their spray and pray method of shooting.

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    • SCREW-WINDOWS
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:56am

      Thanks to the Libs we are approaching a failed state if not already in one.

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    • LandShark
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:19am

      “A cop is five times more likely to shoot an innocent bystander then a citizen with a gun. Because of their spray and pray method of shooting.”

      At a firearms store in Illinois, I was present when a group of people were talking about the state of affairs involving firearms and Chicago police officers in regards to their ability to shoot.Conversation came up because one of the people there ( the conversation took place between 2000 – 2003) was the firearms instructor for the CPD.The city does not let/want it‘s instructors to teach its’ police officers to shoot too good.They want the officers to not shoot themselves first, and then maybe hit their target.But the training is not supposed to be as good as it could be because they, the City, does not want their officers to be gungho, to look forward to gun play. they don’t want law suites from bad shootings. This was an instructor from the academy telling us this.This was in regards to new recruits and for the normal street patrols as well. Now that was then, I can’t speak for the what the philosophy of the academy is today.Nor can I say if there are groups of officers that get additional training above normal.Other than the SWAT like unit(s).I am not saying that the all officers like that policy, although you would be surprised that quite a few officers treat their firearms like a poisoned snake and wouldn‘t carry them if they didn’t have to.This is from several sources.The City does not want the officers to feel they w

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:22pm

      Landshark, why isn’t a story like that in the opinion editorials? Why aren’t people like you on these panels on MSNBC? Sigh, let’s roll up our sleeves folks

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  • blazingaway
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:35pm

    Who couldn’t predict we would hear this line of irrational reasoning from the left who first produces these movies and them uses them to justify their desire for more government control

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    • mils
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:47pm

      aaahhhh the left makes these movies and all the drones go, spend their money, take their young children….

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  • saveamerica11
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:32pm

    0bozos speech that stirred everyone up said No one does anything with out
    the government’s help, that applies to aurora, Holmes is NOT playing the joker because he TOLD the police that his apt was booby trapped, he was coming down from his mind control & drugs and went off plan because he did not go out shooting…Obozo must be planing his death now, just another fast and furious etc, Holmes will be another lee harvey oswald.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:40pm

      This is what happens to disarmed societies.

      http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5D929F4D85DA1BF1A476BE8901E30F2C

      Watch and think.

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    • mils
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:44pm

      we wondering where he got the money to do all this??????

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:13pm

      SAVEAMERICA11, who do you suppose will step in to become the next Jack Ruby?

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    • pwatkins
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:22am

      It bothers me a lot bc I sure don’t want to see things the way you do, but I do. Your post pretty much sums up how I see things too and I sure don’t believe Holmes is the first or last person we will deal with in this way. Evil is lurking among us and some willl be unable to resist it. My prayers are many for all victims and our nation.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:29am

      @mils: good question.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:30am

      Very possible.

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:31am

      Meyvn

      Watched it, distributing it for commerical use and once again, reminds me to stop thinking how the left has been trying to make me think and remember that protecting my family against those that wish to commit wrong to me is not only a right but a God given right.

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  • Elena2010
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:29pm

    Another simply wrote: “How do these people get a job?”

    Because he can’t do anything else!

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:26pm

    George Zimmerman = Batman?

    Well, he does have all that money sitting in bank accounts no one knows about :eyeroll:

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:15pm

      Yeah I don’t think the woman in question thought this through before she spoke

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  • Al J Zira
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:16pm

    There is no MSNBC anymore. Now it’s just NBC News. Not that it matters, it‘s still the same lame reporters doing the same thing they’ve been doing. I do like this line though: He also said that that it’s hard to tell the difference between Batman and the Joker in a discussion over violence that is “just,“ and violence that is ”unjust.”

    Is it me or what? To me it’s pretty easy, the Joker kills people and Batman saves lives. I’ve never really heard of “just” violence.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:12pm

    the three of them together make up a half an idiot…..and the person making decisions at msnbc is a complete idiot to even consider putting these rubes on the air…but after 4 long yrs of this dung…its to be expected

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    • TonyRUS
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 11:09pm

      The three of them make half an idiot? I still think you are insulting idiots.

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  • Dde13
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:11pm

    Drawing dots between a massacre of 12 deaths 58 wounded to Zimmerman is outrageous….
    Batman has been a cartoon fictional vigilantly since 1939 what is the jerk smoking?

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  • momrules
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:09pm

    Red socks. Cute.

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  • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:03pm

    Ahhhh Soooooo, Mista Kim. Charlie Chan say you wrong. Police not cut. Chop, chop….dumb. You brain cut. Martin Bashir rove you long time, Mista Kim. Chop, chop.

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  • seeker9
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:02pm

    This further confirms that the libs have gone spin crazy.

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    • CatB
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:18am

      It will only get worse .. as the desperation increases …. they are trying to grasp at ANYTHING to make the left agenda not seem like it is the extreme .. JUST KEEP DIGGING NBC … you will bury yourselves and the AGENDA.

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  • CK1911
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:01pm

    Ah, seems like old times in that photo. Mr. Sulu and Lt Uhura back at the controls of the Enterprise

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  • momrules
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:58pm

    Richard Kim must have graduated with a doctorate in dumb. Either that or you must be drunk or stoned to even pretend you understand him.

    I am neither drunk or stoned.

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    • Patriot Z
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:06pm

      hehe close. he is your standard progressive. Nothing more than a pseudo psychologist / philosopher trying to pretend they are not just more intelligent but more ‘enlightened’ than the rest of us. The sad truth is that these morons are just afraid to make a decision and accept the consequences. that underlying indecision resonates in everything they say and do and thingk. they need someone to think for them, tell them what to do, what to believe, what is right and wrong. they need someone to give them money, a life , a pourpose. and when they fail they need someone or something to blame. they construct every sentence, thought and action with a built in escape clause and the beliefe they are never responsible.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:57pm

    “How do these people get a job?”

    HA!

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  • chips1
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:56pm

    All I really remember about this story is the womans hair. Now that’s funny. Looks like Mrs. Don King!!!

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:54pm

    Only in the uttermost depths of political perversion and indolence would the MSNBC compare the Zimmerman case with the massacre of 12 people and wounding of dozens. There is no comparison save for in their demented socialist and communist mindsets. Look at this well people and understand clearly, they want to be the leaders of our nation, using any means of force necessary to achieve their nightmare utopian ideals.

    Consider well which you want – insanity of a massive scale never dreamed of before here at home; or a free Republic once again.

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    • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:04pm

      Looks like they’re putting something funny in the egg rolls over there at the MSNBC diner.

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  • Thighmaster
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:53pm

    OK so now this dumbass has had his 15 minutes…

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  • michael7695
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:51pm

    Idiot

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  • Mapache
    Posted on July 21, 2012 at 9:48pm

    We all knew that most of the commentators on MSNC were dishonest now we can add that some of them are moronic as well.

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    • BetterInformed
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:06pm

      MSNBC has an audience that we inherently assume to be at least somewhat rational. This isn’t the case and MSNBC knows there audience is young and inexperienced, if not inexperience they are stupid. So it would follow that to keep your young (some stupid old people), uninformed, impressionable and ignorant viewers it requires that you have screamers like Schultz, O’Donnell, Mathews, Sharpton etc. They also, as an added bonus, get to p!ss off conservatives who can’t square the bizarre commentary. But then again who gives a **** about 100,000 non-voters anyway.

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    • Patriot Z
      Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:11pm

      worse than moronic, they are overdramatic and perpetual victims looking for an opressor

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