Faith

‘You’re Amending the Gospel’: MSNBC Host Grills Pastor About Hell Theory

Martin Bashir may have just conducted one of the toughest interviews you will ever see on MSNBC.

As we noted earlier, evangelical pastor Rob Bell is in New York City to promote his new, controversial book, Love Wins. In it, he wrestles with the idea that everyone goes to Heaven. This morning he visited with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and gave the opposite of a hard-hitting interview. Later in the afternoon, however, he strolled on over to MSNBC where he sat down with Bashir. That interview wasn’t hard-hitting either– it was more sledge-hammer-over-the-head-beat-you-in-the-face hitting.

Greg Hengler over at Townhall (who shares his thoughts on the ABC interview here), explains the interview was so tough it made Bell “squirm:”

This was one of the best interviews I have seen. Bell is visibly uncomfortable answering tough questions and being called-out for trying to dodge them. Note that the “solid ground” Bell stands on is his own feelings–not Christ, not God, not the Bible. What he presents is New Age spirituality with a little Jesus icon on top to really sell his all-inclusive message. His responses to theological challenges are all touchy-feelies. Hats off to Bashir. Sure wish all interviews were conducted this way. This is a joy to watch.

Bell denies he is a universalist, as some of posited. But that doesn’t seem to satisfy Bashir, who keeps returning to the question, “Is it irrelevant and is it immaterial about how one responds to Christ in this life in terms of determining one’s eternal destiny?”

The critique Bashir brings up — that Bell is “amending the gospel” and creating a Christian message that is watered down and “palatable” for modern times — is a common one among those who reject Bell’s teachings and his camp, the emerging church.

In case you’re wondering, Bashir is a Christian.

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  • ISLAMICO
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:51pm

    Very clever title from the gang of the blaze. The so called gospel has been changed many times over and it is nothing new of someone does it again. You do not posses the original bible and no manuscripts are the same. This is a joke. The gospel or gospels you have are man made books altered, changed, tempered with and filled with contradictions, lies, fabrications, and pagan stories. How you know what is from god and what is not from god is something you need to look in to. I doubt you will.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:34pm

      You might be surprised how many of us have gone back all the way to the 1st and 2nd century to study our faith and Islam by the way. That is why I know that during the 1st and 2nd century the Muslims were very complimentary of the Jews and the two religions were very much the same. Yes, there are some parts of the Bible that were translated confusingly when it was translated……but some of us have gone back to the Hebrew Scriptures and the Aramaic New Testament (from the Eastern Church, not the West) and it is amazing that even with the translations (that are sometimes hard to understand) that the faith we have is based upon a foundation of truth about the “weightier matters of the Torah, judgment, mercy, and faith”.
      Think you might want to look at changes that were made to the The Imrans, the traditional third sura of the Koran in the 7th century. Do you think it has not changed?

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    • osnofv
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:44pm

      This is a blatant lie! No book in antiquity has more manuscripts than the New Testament. 25,000!!!! Can anyone produce another that equals this onslaught of manuscripts?
      Homer’s Iliad is the second best-preserved literary work of all antiquity, with 643 copies of manuscript support discovered to date.
      By the way about 5,000 of the New Testament manuscripts can be dated to just about 30-40 years after the fact.

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    • michaeljay
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:52pm

      Wow. You are quite angry. Suggest you take a break, a deep breath, relax and try to make some real sense. While you are at it, take some time and read the New Testament. I mean really read it.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:55pm

      @osno

      40 yrs after what fact? None of the gospels were written until much later than the date of their accounts. What fact are you referring to?

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    • Jabber
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:35am

      OSNOFV-

      I can only assume that Islamico is referring to the fact that there are no surviving copies of the “original” books written (or dictated by) the original authors. There are no autographs left, there are only copies of them in existence today, and we refer to those COPIES as “manuscripts”. The word does NOT mean “originals”. The earliest complete copy of the New Testament surviving today is the Codex Sinaiticus and it dates somewhere in the 4th century.

      The Dead Sea scrolls contain the oldest known fragments of scripture and their composition dates range between 150 and 70 CE.

      Deutscher-if the dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls is accurate, then there are fragments of the New Testament that would coincide roughly with the time frame accepted to be that of the time of the death of Christ at the age of 33.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 11:33am

      “40 yrs after what fact? None of the gospels were written until much later than the date of their accounts. What fact are you referring to?”

      Jesus died circa 30 AD. Most scholarship now holds that the Synoptics were written before the Fall of Jerusalem, 70 AD. Scholarship of the last two centuires tended to doubt this, not based upon any evidence but upon a philosophical presupposition that the Gospels were products of an hegelian struggle within the church. The ancient understanding that they were the products of eyewitnesses is now in resurgence. Read Richard Baukham’s “Jesus and the Eyewtineeses”.

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 11:40am

      Jabber, there were no New Testament scriptures in the Qumran caves. that was most likely an Essene community. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain Jewsish scriptures.

      But it should be noted that the portion of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls shows that there has been no substantial change in the translations and transcriptions in the 1800 years since. It is virtually identical with the texts we have now. This blows to pieces the conceit that religious communities tampered with and altered their sacred texts. This is a theory accepted without evidence by irreligious skeptics to justify rejecting the historicity of these ancient texts.

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    • Jacob Malachi
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:17pm

      @ Vennoye – You studied 1st and 2nd century Islam? That is amazing!

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  • miles from nowhere
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:48pm

    MSNBC is possessed by the devil, so why question the Hell Theory when MSNBC is in the business of indoctrination of HELL throughout the US courtesy of Soros and the Czars in the White House.

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    • Dumbsht
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:38pm

      Because, if Satan can convince you there is no hell (or final death..take your choice) then Satan has you believing Christ is non-essential to your everlasting salvation. If Satan gets you to renounce the need of Christ‘s sacrifice then Satan has essentially taken Christ’s place. This is Satan’s stated goal.

      As for the absence of God being hell, there is a case for that….just look what happens around us among those who forsake God. Chaos, unaccountability leading to confusion. To loss of self.

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  • conservativemom99
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:41pm

    He makes no sense. He very obviously wants to sell his book…it’s about making money. Stir the pot, deny everything and collect the booty…an opportunist…I will not be buying his book.

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  • momsense
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:39pm

    I find it very strange that the same people who have converted Jesus into a Marxist would criticize anyone else’s understanding of the gospel.

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  • sweet37
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:36pm

    There is something very deceptive about this man..

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    • michaeljay
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:47pm

      Deception and lies. It all began in the garden and ended in the garden. Deception and lies are the hallmarks of Satan.

      There are among us many agents of the anti-Christ. We see and hear them everyday.

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  • Marathonmark
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:34pm

    I haven‘t read Rob Bell’s book yet and will reserve my critique until after I read it – I have read other books by him and found them powerful, grace-filled and biblically faithful. Bashir’s interview was a sledgehammer and pitiful. “is God all powerful and not loving or all loving and not all powerful? Which is it? Which is it?” what a false dichotomy and trap! Rob wisely didn’t answer his stupid, (mis)leading questions and was obviously graciously trying not to bash Bashir by exposing his leading “it’s true” statement/questions that were more like “it’s true you used to like beating your wife, isn’t it?” Bashir was the joke not Bell.

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  • nomoreprogressives
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:34pm

    Bashir defintely knows about hell……….He works there

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  • Its Gonna Getcha
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:28pm

    Bahsir’s asks, which is true: God doesn’t care and is all-powerful, or God is does care but is not all-powerful – it‘s a trick question and that’s why the author is not answering it. If you believe God doesn’t care and is all-powerful, you probably believe bad things happen to you because you deserve it. If you believe God cares, but is not all-powerful, then you probablly believe God is unreliable. Neither is true.

    If you believe that God should be able to open your doors if you say “Open Says-a-Me”, then you won’t believe in God. God can only do what is in His power to do. Nothing more, nothing less. But the amazing things God does can in no way be replicated by humans. So take your pick.

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  • Automan
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:20pm

    bottom line…hell did not scare me into becoming a Christian..the Holy Spirit convicted me of all the wrong i have committed against God and showed me a way to be in fellowship with God.
    Its about Grace .. Forgiveness…and Atonement …what a great relationship and comfort in difficult times. so tell me how you dont believe in hell and i will tell you if God says it ..its true, but my relationship is more important and everyone has the opportunity CHOOSE which leader you will follow
    God, the Christ, Holy Spirit
    or satan

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:29pm

      I have never read where Gods word supports a hell fire place. But I have read about the everlasting punishment of death. “For the wages of sin is DEATH.”

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    • A Steiger
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:34am

      @ PC BE DAMNED

      You are a straight-up coward.

      Be a man and answer these questions:

      (Originally posted by Wiseman) Didn’t you ever read Mark 9:43-48? In all (due or undue) respect, I’ll render your statement inarguable:

      Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
      Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

      That’s straight out of the same Bible that you boldly proclaim just is not in there. Don’t you think you should rethink your “opinion”, which is NOT factual? Do you want to take a chance on Jesus being mistaken and PC BE DAMNED being correct? It’s a foolish gamble, my friend. Very costly, indeed.
      From other statements you are making, I’ll venture that you never read the bible as much as you try to put on that you did. Did it have lot’s of pictures in it, per chance?

      BTW, if you pull the usual troll crap and ignore this question, I will copy and paste this to every response you make on The Blaze from now on.

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    • webpreacher
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:15am

      Luke 16:19-31, Revelation 19:19-21 , Revelation 20:10-15
      All testify of “HELL’S FLAMES” with eternal torment & suffering !!!
      So PC, I quess you skipped over these passages of Holy Script ?

      Hell is a real place, and ther are countless #er of people alive in torment there now, as I am writting this, some have been there for thousands of years, some just arrived there right now!!

      Bruce // servant to King Jesus………….. God‘s provision for deliverance of Hell’s Flamse !

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  • Via Dolorosa
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:19pm

    Tnredneck, the world is “on fire” BECAUSE of doctrine like Bell’s being spread
    to the people.

    And, strap on that crash helmet, because according to the Bible, things are only
    going to get worse from here on out – increasing to an intensity not ever seen by
    mankind.

    Bell’s doctrine is only a tiny part but it represents the massive movement on this
    planet to turn away from God and His laws.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:59pm

      I have to ask. I take it you believe in some version of the “end of days” scenario from bits of the bible. How do you square the belief that the end is near and the fact that everyone since about 40ad has thought the same? How are events now worse than the fall of Rome, the dark ages, the plague, WWI and II, the dust bowl, etc. ? If god is causing current events, why Japan? Why not an earthquake in the Mid East? I think it is the ultimate expression of ego to believe that IF there us a god it is during YOUR lifetime the end will come.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:20pm

      Deutscher-
      “I think it is the ultimate expression of ego to believe that IF there us a god it is during YOUR lifetime the end will come.”

      I think it is the ultimate expression of ego to believe that IF there is a God, He would surely behave in a manner that pleases you.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:29pm

      @jabber

      It has nothing to do with pleasing me. I simply point out that people have thought they lived in “end times” for about 2000 yrs. So relax, odds are against it.

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    • Jabber
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:53pm

      Deutscher-

      “It has nothing to do with pleasing me. I simply point out that people have thought they lived in “end times” for about 2000 yrs. So relax, odds are against it.”

      Weird. 2000+ years ago, someone predicted that you’d say that, and wrote it down.

      “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the blast days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
      And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water”
      2 Peter 3:3-5

      It doesn’t really matter when you live, or how long you live. Each one of us will have an “end time” and as Albert Camus said, “I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t, than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.”

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    • Dumbsht
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:14am

      Again, you are right…part way. It is man, looking at what is going on and wondering, speculating….seeing many things mentioned as coming in the end times…..and again our imperfection of impatience, our inability to see the whole parade rather than a little bit as it passes our street corner that has us in this position.

      Now there are many ways to take the end times,symbolically, etc. But I believe it to be literal after all these years, but when ? that is the question….I can only say that most of the things we are told must happen first have.

      But I would go against Jesus’ words to say it will be at such and such time. Unfortunately others have fallen to this and Satan, quick to point it out, says “See it ain’t so, how can you believe it?”
      Our imperfections haunt us over and over….and like wounds in our skin invite infestation.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:46am

      @jabber.

      Yes. It is one of the many self-fullfilling prophecies you can fund there, and in most any work of prophecy. They all warn against doubters, most all of them. From the oracle of Delphi to Nostrodomus.

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  • JGraham III
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:19pm

    Not once in this interview did I hear either man mention “what the Bible says”. I was taught that the Bible contains all things that pertain to life and Godliness. It is the standard for truth (“thy Word is truth” Jn17:17b). It was refreshing however to hear someone from MSNBC actually make sense in his questioning. The pastor sidestepped every direct question he was asked. I do not care a whit what some man says the Bible says. Read it for yourself. If you have a heart to know the truth, the Lord will see to it you receive it. God has made salvation so easy; man tries to muddy the waters and reinstill bondage into the lives of those around them. To say or even imply that God will “save” everyone is to say that there was no need for Jesus Christ and His complete attoning work. This garbage always comes up near a major Christian holiday. It is close to Easter ( Ressurection Sunday to be more accurate…) so of course some nimrod has to come along and say the things that are apparently in this book. It is ironic that the name of this pastor’s church is Mars Hill, which for you Bible fans was the place in Athens where the citizens went to debate religious issues but never got around to knowing “the Unknown God” whom the apostle Paul preached to them when he came there. It might be a good idea for this pastor to brush up on his bible reading before he publishes his next book.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:27pm

      You are right on the money! Glad to see someone stand up for the Word of God.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 1:40pm

      I saw problems with the interviewer as well as the person being interviewed. The interviewer was looking more for gotcha moments instead of listening to the answers. The interviewee, Rob Bell, did not want to be caught in traps and was too hesitant on some issues. For one, why does God allow suffering was a legitimate question, even though that is not what the MSNBC reporter asked. It was still the relevant question. Yes, if God is real, then he does allow suffering. Is there a logical reason for allowing suffering? I think so. It makes sense to see the real results of good and evil in action in our life, allowing us to choose good for logical and just reasons. It also gives opportunity to man to learn from his own actions, his mistakes and his proper achievements. Loving your neighbor as yourself is the guideline. Seeing one neighbor help another during a crisis is a good thing to behold. Seeing Obama mess up his response allows us to see what not to do. It all works out.

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  • Via Dolorosa
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:16pm

    I have friends who are living in “alternative” lifestyles who would cling to that man’s
    doctrine, no questions asked.

    Not because he is telling the truth – but because he is saying what they want to hear.
    That‘s it’s okay to be gay – it’s okay to do as you please in life, with who you please,
    when you please – because “it’s allll about love”.

    The Bible warns us that in the end days, there will be teachers who will be “tickling”
    the listener’s ear. i.e. saying what makes them feel good.

    Mr. Bell is the most obvious example of a false teacher I have seen yet in this lifetime.

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    • GdavidH
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:31pm

      Like I said….
      His rantings are designed to force those of faith to accept all things perverted. To quote Adam Savage…“I reject your reality and substitute my own”.
      All is good when you are led to believe all is good.

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    • MCGIRV
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:35pm

      Amen!

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:12am

      And some ancient followers of Christ alleged that Paul’s doctrine of salvation by grace through faith led people to become morally complacent. Any doctrine can be abused, and anyone who would take universal reconciliation as an excuse not to conform to Christ’s example is not yet prepared for eternal life. Just because a doctrine is attractive does not mean it is false.

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    • TruthLover
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 4:50am

      Obvious to you and many of us, but unfortunately, the man has a huge church and sells a boatload of books and videos. Not obvious to those folks.

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  • teachermitch32
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:08pm

    Letusreason asked, “Then what’s the point of righteousness, or goodness, or most of anything?”

    The more appropriate question should be what was the point of Christ’s sacrifice, or the purpose of the blood, or the cross, or the resurrection? Bell has chosen to use only parts of the Gospel that might fit into his ideology (theology) and ignore even the quotes of Jesus Himself. You simply cannot use only part of God’s Word and expect that it would have any credebility in presenting your apologetics. You must use it as a whole.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:21pm

      That’s one of the problems with religions. They use the parts of their holy books they like, or the interpretations they like. Otherwise there would be only one religion. If any of them are supposed to be inspired, they would have been written first hand and not full of conflicting stories. So we have people all over the world fighting over interpretations.
      With all the serious stories available I’m not sure why this is even a topic.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:28pm

      Also a good question to pose. He’s missing the mark, I’m afraid.

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:05am

      TEACHERMITCH32:
      If all people eventually find salvation “in Christ” and benefit from the cross rather than only some, then it does nothing at all to undermine Jesus’ sacrifice. Christian universalism and religious pluralism are separate and distinct issues.

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  • ccrabill
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:08pm

    Woe unto you, Rob Bell. Woe unto you.

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  • NickDeringer
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:06pm

    This man is perverting the Gospel. He is part of the “Emerging Church Movement.” Among other things they dispute the deity of Christ, they homosexuality is not sin, and they doubt the resurrection.

    He who has ears let him hear.

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    • Eblaze44
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:46am

      Kinda like the Orthodox church got perverted by the Roman Catholic church which got perverted by Luther, which got perverted by all the others that followed him, which is now being perverted by all these “emerging” churches.

      as an aside. Christ is not Jesus last name. His name was Joshua, or Jeshua ben Joseph. Christ is the English translation of Christos, which strange to say meant Messiah. It’s a title folk, it’s not his name.

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 2:44pm

      @EBLAZE44

      Which changes…..what? The church is not the Word. The church is a collection of followers, sinners saved by grace by sinners nonetheless. Our spirits are renewed through the saving grace of Jesus, but our flesh remains unredeemed( which is why we still get sick and die) and the battleground is the mind. Which is why scripture tells us to be transformed by the renewing of our mind, studying and knowing the totality of the Word. Because the church has historically erred and gone off the rails repeatedly doesn’t invalidate the word of God. People like Rob Bell have come along in every generation, and not just one, but many. Jesus himself said it would be so. Draw near to Him through His Word and forget about the failings of the church. If you put faith in other people, you will always be disappointed sooner or later, usually sooner. And if you judge Christ and His Word by the actions of some of His professed followers, you are making a serious mistake. Jesus also said many would calim to be His followers and he would not recognize them.

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  • Tnredneck
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:04pm

    The world is on fire and somehow this is news?

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    • WISEPENNY
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:01am

      Why not go to a site where the news is up to your high standards? Please doubletime it as the door closes behind you so it doesn’t hit you in your snotty ass.!

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  • TunaBlue
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:03pm

    A terrorist commits jihad in the name of Allah, dies in the process, meets the “real” God, finds love and forgiveness, and redeems himself. Is that what this guy wants me to believe?

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:01pm

      Would that bother you? If God was that merciful how could you complain and not sound like the workers in the vineyard who thought they deserved more than the latecomers? If Hitler was as cleansed of his sin as you or I why should he not go to heaven? If you want him punished you have to go through the fire yourself.

      I’m not arguing for universalism, but I think an implied argument against the injustice of it is a loser.

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  • Kirsys
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:03pm

    Luke 19: 28-40……40 says”……If they keep quiet the stones will cryout”. And Bashir is that stone. And for Mr Bell, Romans 1:22,…professing to be wise, they themselves became fools” Our walk is on faith. And if there is no hell in the after life by trying to live a godly life we lose nothing, but man if there is a hell. There is no greater declaration on love than “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that who soever believed in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” Im holding on to that.

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  • GODSAMERICA
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:59pm

    Maybe this will be obama‘s next pastor since he’s been keeping himself hid away from his other one. The only problem that he would have with Bell is that Bell MIGHT NOT

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    • GODSAMERICA
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:33pm

      Sorry accidently hit post before finishing.

      - – talk about the evil white man and go around damning America but Nobama can hope!

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  • Mister_Bill
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:53pm

    Can this man even read. This is not the message of the Gospel. I am not a theologian but I have read the scriptures and this is not what is being preached. After listening to this man I am not even sure what he means or even stands for. Too bad some of our Senators and Congressman do not get questioned as hard as this man was.

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 7:58pm

      In the Bible we were warned of this Over and Over again. Briars and thorns, vipers and scorpions. Organized “religion leading people astray. This is just a really eggregious example. Beware of this guy.

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  • RogerParrish
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:53pm

    I‘m glad he isn’t my pastor. There isn’t anything about this man that is spiritual. This is all carnal.

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    • GdavidH
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:04pm

      BINGO.
      His rantings are designed to force those of faith to accept all things perverted. To quote Adam Savage…“I reject your reality and substitute my own”.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 7:57am

      I would say that when a Muslim TV news guy knows the Bible better than your pastor, it’s time to look for a new church, wouldn’t you?

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  • tketterer
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:52pm

    Sounds like a Mormon to me.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:58pm

      Wow, as a Mormon, that was offensive to me. His doctrine sounds very DISSIMILAR to Mormon theology, and I was one of the first to speak out so. You obviously know very little yourself about what you’re talking about.

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    • quiet little lamb
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:08pm

      er, while i disagree with mormons on things they still believe that christ is the only way to heaven. and there is a hell.

      and this rob bell dude…total false prophet. probably gay and trying to make it work out.

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    • marine249
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:17pm

      you put your left foot in your pie hole
      if you don‘t know what your talking about it’s best to shut pie hole

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:58pm

      QUIET LITTLE LAMB:

      Wow, that’s special. “His theology is more liberal than mine, so he is probably a hell-bound closet homosexual.”

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    • tketterer
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:20am

      Actually I do know what I‘m talking about cuz i have had to research why you all don’t understand that you follow a false profit from beginning to end. You don’t believe that Christ shed blood for sins, only at Gethsamane. You believe in three heavens and that God was glesh. You are like him in that it is all blasphemy. Learn to love the On and Only God of the universe not the one of your dead who will become gods and rule over their own planets. Leave your cult as fast as you can.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:44am

      Well, he just means that it sounds like a cult. sort of like Mormonism.
      Why are you offended?

      But in this country your have the freedom of religion. Be my guest.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:50am

      And yes Mormonism is a cult.
      Jesus didn’t mince words. Truth can only be seasoned with so much salt. And i have a huge grain of salt when I listen to Glenn Beck. Christians can’t play politically correct that is why our nation no longer belongs to the Lord.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:17pm

      Underground(in hell)Man needs to stop putting words in everyone’s mouth. Your comments reacting to my first posts were based on assumptions I neither intimated nor hold to….so take a deep breath, my friend, stop being so defensive, and learn to sound a little more intelligent on public posts.

      And as for LibertyluvinDimwit, you need to stop taking your theology lessons from anti-Mormon cartoon pamphlets. You’re making yourself look like a fool. Every age always seems to latch on to believing in dead prophets, but it‘s when there’s a live one that everyone always screams “wolf in sheeps clothing”. If God were to change and stop revealing truth to his servants (Amos 3:7), then there would have been no need to warn of false prophets. He did not say “There will be no more prophets after I make my sacrifice for Man,” but rather instructed how to decipher false from real prophets. By their fruits, ye shall know them. The vast majority thought Christ was a false Messiah, too….and still do. The Book of Acts mentions Agabus several times as a prophet who prophesied of famine in the land, and this is after Christ’s ascension into Heaven. Perhaps that bothers you? Three heavens, huh? Which scripture do you have a problem with? 2 Corinthians 12:2 or 1 Corinthians 15:40-41? There are others, but these are specific enough, so I’ll leave it at that. Mormons “believe all that God has revealed, all that he does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things”. You won’t find that in your cartoon pamphlet, nor hear it from your angry Southern Baptist minister. We claim all and any truth wherever it is found. Mormonism, quite simply, is the search for eternal truths.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:24pm

      …And let me anticipate the response that I’m the one being defensive. The difference here is that Undergound is making me defend things that I didn’t say, but I’m making Liberty defend things that she did say.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:34pm

      You know Glenn. He and his family NEVER would have joined the LDS (Mormon) Church if he had not first done his homework on the topic. I’d say faith is an important topic, wouldn’t you? There is a lot of misinformation out there to spook or confuse those who might legitimately look into this faith. Why? Because if you don’t go to your church, your pastor or preacher can’t make money. That’s priestcraft. Jesus was a carpenter, Peter was a fisherman, Luke was a physician, Matthew was a publican. The Mormon Church operates by a lay ministry. Leaders are real estate agents, doctors, teachers, etc. What other church, other than the original one Christ led, does that?

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:38pm

      That’s all about that. Time for current events and, unfortunately, the awful condition of our political environment.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:33pm

      After your wordy speech- I noticed the name call Couldn’t debate without it?
      I have never had an anti Mormon pamphlet in my hands ever.
      People in cults never believe they are in cults. If they saw them for the sham they were they wouldn’t be in them. Scientology is a perfect example that I‘m sure you’d agree with.
      a better task instead off commenting unread long winded posts You find out for yourself if I’m right. Put some critical thinking out there ask some damn hard questions and see if you’re right- when you’re dead-Good Luck in the mean time.
      BTW- there is an “anti” pamphlt ‘cartoon” on any sect or denomination or religion. You aren’t special.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:42pm

      Ummm Letusreason – you are so defensive. I’m gonna go to bed and forget about you. Yet your posts are a mile long and I never read past your insult.
      Listen to Glenn- Do your own homework.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:48pm

      Glenn Beck IS a cult of personality.

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  • Whostolemypig
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:51pm

    Another BS book seller without a clue as to what he’s talking about. Throw it out there and some dumb liberal will believe it.

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  • hamburgerdude
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:50pm

    Answer the questions!

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    • GdavidH
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:00pm

      That would expose him.

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    • Automan
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:13pm

      wow pc…
      sounds similar to “pray for your enemies”
      while Stephen is being stoned he asks God to forgive the men stoning him
      “forigive them Father for they know not what they do”

      tell me again how there is no hell …… lazarus and the rich man, hades, sheol,
      Jesus talks of miss leading one of these it would be better to have a stone rapped around your neck and caste …..you get the idea…..is the abyss ment just for the fallen angels and satan..same i guess.

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    • P C BE DAMNED
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:24pm

      Automan
      Not my enemies just trash. Hey I’am no better than anyone and I hope God will forgive them but the unforgivable sin is the one not asked forgivness for. The wages of sin is still death not everlasting life suffering. Thats would make God worse than any terrorist. This is not a new teaching but one that began with Bible truth. Think about all the verses proving hell are relatively poetic and even shady in their saying, while statements like John 3:16 are plain english , everlasting life or perish. Everlasting punishment is death as it lasts forever. Read and study and quit listening to some speaker.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:34pm

      I don’t believe that Hell in the Bible is described as fire and brimstone – I believe the chose is between everlasting life or dealth into nothingness. But then we all have our own opinions – I saw the interview and I must say it was one of the best interviews I have ever seen on MSNBC. http://wp.me/pYLB7-KF

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    • WISEPENNY
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:01am

      To PC BE DAMNED, you posted:
      Hell I’am almost 60 and we never found a hell fire and damnation in the Bible, We always believed the wages of sin was death not everlasting life in pain and fire.
      ________________________________________________________

      Didn’t you ever read Mark 9:43-48? In all (due or undue) respect, I’ll render your statement inarguable:

      Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
      Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

      That’s straight out of the same Bible that you boldly proclaim just is not in there. Don’t you think you should rethink your “opinion”, which is NOT factual? Do you want to take a chance on Jesus being mistaken and PC BE DAMNED being correct? It’s a foolish gamble, my friend. Very costly, indeed.
      From other statements you are making, I’ll venture that you never read the bible as much as you try to put on that you did. Did it have lot’s of pictures in it, per chance?

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 2:52am

      @P C be da__d
      There will be torment and that is the word so you will have your wish. The hell thing is mislabeled; it is a holding place Hades in Greek and Sheol in Hebrew.

      The abyss holds the fallen angels in chains for the moment

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:38am

      PCBEDAMNED- yes we all worship The glory of God together with pederasts and beasties! I can’t wait.

      Redistribution of salvation and repentance. That’s the paradox he is selling.

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    • webpreacher
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:59am

      This is for “PC B damned”,

      God has perpared 3 places for man, 1 is temporal, (for a season) of which you are in now, that is, Earth, the 2 other places are also real physcial places as is the one your in now, and they are both eternal,(forever) 1 is Heaven, which is The Kingdom of God were all the Saints of Christ (“born Again” believers) will spend eternity, the other place is also a real physical place that is “Hell”. It is taught in the New Testament, Jesus himself testafying of Hell, in the Gospel of Luke chapter 16, starting in v.19, He gives a “TRUE” account of 2 men (both Hebrew men), one a Rich man and one a poor beggar whose name is given “Lazarus”, so we know this is not a parrable but an actual account of real persons. The poor beggar having trusted in “God provisions” for sustainance (deliverence from one’s poverty) being daily at the rich man’s gate, dies and is carried by angels to “Abraham’s bossom, (comfort & rest in Christ), in Heaven. Then the real true account of the rich man (whose name is not given.?) (can anyone tell me why the rich man’s name is not given,,there is a theological reason?), this man knowing the Mosaic Law (the Levitical Law, were we find God’s provision for the poor, of which the poor beggar “Lazarus” was trusting in), ignored God’s decree, thus upon his death, “physical death”, finds himself in the very “Flames of Hell”, for he says “I am tormented in these flames”, being cast into Hell.
      Hell is a real physical place prepared for the “Devil and his angels” and all those who reject God”s Christ, God‘s provsion for deliverance from ’Hell”s Flames”, God’s plan for “salvation” and this by Faith in Jesus, God’s Son, whom he gave (sacrificed , John 3:16) so that the “whosoevers” would not pershish but have everlasting life”
      Jesus preached more about Hell, than Heaven… as a warning to all who would listen, “he that hath ear”, (who will listen) let him hear, what the Word of God has to say!

      Bruce // servant to King Jesus………..coming again soon, to take up HIS Church, (Born Again saints)

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    • 338lapua
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 7:44pm

      @walkwithme, man you have really come a long way since you first started posting here. It is a pleasure to respond to you. The scripture doesn’t support a version of heaven for everyone. That is the biggest revision(and the worst). Hell is also just kinda not like people believe it to be. Fire is generally a means to purify,remove imperfection. So to consider hell a place of burning is just not solid reasoning either. Lots of references to be had of casting things that do not produce into the fire. By produce that means being what you should be, not working like a slave. This guy’s version of the spiritual is just perverted. What I am getting at is that opinion doesn’t apply when scripture is the subject. It is what it is,accept it or decline it. But modification or interpretation is not an option.

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    • tommyD8thday
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:04pm

      Ah, he did!

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  • Eblaze44
    Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:41pm

    NOW, let’s see them conduct the same hard hitting interview with Obama, Reid, or the Princess. better yet, how about the Rev. Wright, Jackson, or the ever present Al Sharpton.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:46pm

      If you want proof Hell exists, go to visti LA, San Francisco, or just watch Ishtar. You will know hell on earth.

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    • Marylou7
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:46pm

      Dream on EBLAZE44, but this was a sheer joy to watch.

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:47pm

      Everyone goes to heaven, huh? Then what’s the point of righteousness, or goodness, or most of anything?

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    • LetUsReason
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:48pm

      This idea does away with moral agency.

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    • libertybell
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:49pm

      Ya like that will ever happen! The conservatives and Christians always get treated like they have committed a first degree murder. No respect!!

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    • drbage
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:54pm

      Sounds an awful lot like collective salvation to me. It is not any better than this latest Catholic version of the Bible where Mary is no longer a virgin, just an ordinary young woman. The progressive view seems to be to treat all history as irrelevant.
      Wonder if Mr. Bashir was wielding a sledgehammer because of anti-Christian bias, he is new hire from Spooky Dude funding, or if he really is a traditional journalist? How long will he be at messnbc if he is a journalist?

       
    • MiketheTrucker
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:00pm

      Is Bashir on drugs? I mean he is at MSNBC, and MSNBC is anit-God, right?.

      Good to see that a fake like Bell is exposed.

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:04pm

      I just know HELL is a place where God isn’t. That’s enough to scare anyone with half a brain

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:15pm

      I feel bad for him. He knows scripture but he lets his feelings override the Word of God. It is a common error. He should go on sabbatical and spend some time studying the Bible. Some questions are simply not unequivocally answered, and we must be careful building our theologies in these areas. I use the example of two rooms. I have a back room that is bulletproof. This is my Scripture room, it contains the things i know as definite fact. Things the Bible unequivocally tells us. I can drag these bits and pieces into my front room where I can examine them in light of worldly knowledge and create my own answers, but I must remember that these are worldly answers and while they very well may be…hopefully are…scriptural, they are NOT God’s Word. Other people may use the same scripture as i am using and fit it all together differently. It is not a problem, it is an adventure, a fascinating field that allows us all to grow in the Word. But we must keep front room things out of the scripture room. The question of the unevangelized being damned is simply not answered in the Bible. This question burdens me also, but unlike Bell I do not let my feelings override what the Bible definitely tells me on this subject. People who have never heard the gospel are damned. There is no way around that. Trying to figure out how a just God can allow this is a problem, but we must approach it biblically. It has turned me further towards Calvinism than I am comfortable with, though I still emphatically acknowledge free will also. That is my answer and I can biblically support it, but I cannot unequivocally say it is right. Bell has turned down a wrong path because of this question, as have a great many others. Yes, God is pure love, but even more, He is HOLY!!! That is the only attribute of God that is repeated when it is mentioned: God is Holy, Holy, Holy. this repeating signifies importance and it is seen in many verses. First and foremost, God is holy. People today, those who think God is some kind of big, cuddly teddy bear in the sky tend to forget what holy means. God is vengeful, wrathful, holy, and sovereign. He is not a cuddly teddy bear. He is not to be taken lightly! He has given us a way out of our just punishment, that is love. Take it or leave it, but it is on your shoulders.

       
    • dealer@678
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:25pm

      Blazers are the BEST at quoting bible verse in these difficult times. I tune in every night just fot that.

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    • Bigrod58
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:35pm

      Dealer, If God is not in hell then He is not Omnipresent. If He is Omnipresent there can be no place that He isn’t. Or, perhaps there is no hell. I don’t know the answer. But He either is or is not Omnipresent. Don’t get me going on Omnicient and Omnipotent.

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    • calamari12
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:59pm

      @pc be damed–At the end of Revelation, when all is said and done, the bible says that Satan, the anti-Christ, the false prophet, and all they have led astray will be cast into the lake of fire. In Matthew, Christ says that when the day of judgement comes he will separate his followers (the sheep) from the non-believers (the goats) the goats will be cast into the fire and the sheep will go into heaven. There is a heaven and hell and we will be sent to one or the other depending on how we have received Christ in our lives.

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    • restorehope
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:18pm

      Bell just takes the progressives one step further and applies social justice to Heaven as well. We ALL have to go there because to do otherwise would be politically incorrect. The libs would probably embrace this theory because then no matter what evil deeds they perform here on earth, they can join everyone else in Heaven.

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    • Tertius G Himmelreich
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:32pm

      That was really enjoyable to watch. I thought it seemed a little rough at first, but then you can hear his real thought “How people accept love, & God’s love etc.“ It seemed more like he considers Christs words prior to the good Samaritan in a way that means ”what if accepting Christ really just means accepting his message of loving, accepting God just means ultimately loving everybody“ there you could say ”Accepting Christ (Love) by loving those around you unconditionally will get you in to heaven”. Not accepting Jesus Christ the person, but accepting Jesus Christ’s gospel of Love & thus gaining acceptance in to heaven. An interesting concept, though I disagree.

      http://tghimmelreich.wordpress.com/

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    • Underground Man
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:41pm

      LETUSREASON:
      First, the Bible is clear that we are not to rely on our own righteousness and goodness for salvation, so what is your point? Second, moral accountability does not depend upon the idea of endless torture. Punishment may be necessary for justice, but infinite punishment negates justice.

      DRBAGE:
      Liberation theology’s notion of “collective salvation” and the doctrine of universal reconciliation have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, you may be the first Protestant in history to accuse the Roman Catholic Church of not giving Mary enough respect.

      DEALER@678:
      God is omnipresent, which implies there is nowhere that God is not — including hell, however you conceive of it.

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    • Old Truckers
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:02am

      Spiritually, Mr. Bell is an empty suit.
      His book will also be empty of any real scriptural reasonings.
      Save your money folks.

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    • ltb
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:05am

      Tertius G Himmelreich
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 11:32pm
      That was really enjoyable to watch. I thought it seemed a little rough at first, but then you can hear his real thought “How people accept love, & God’s love etc.“ It seemed more like he considers Christs words prior to the good Samaritan in a way that means ”what if accepting Christ really just means accepting his message of loving, accepting God just means ultimately loving everybody“ there you could say ”Accepting Christ (Love) by loving those around you unconditionally will get you in to heaven”. Not accepting Jesus Christ the person, but accepting Jesus Christ’s gospel of Love & thus gaining acceptance in to heaven. An interesting concept, though I disagree.

      —–

      Please understand that the gospel of Jesus has nothing to do with trying to mimic Jesus’ perfect life. The gospel is that God loves mankind so much that he came to earth as Jesus to die for the sins of mankind and to save those from Hell who would accept his sacrifice on the cross as punishment for their sins.

      If a serial killer at large decided to stop murdering people and then lived a loving, selfless life thereafter until the day he died, because he wanted to imitate Jesus, he would still go to Hell. If, instead, that serial killer decided to get on his knees and pray to God to forgive him for his sins through the blood shed by Jesus on the cross as punishment for his sins, he would go to Heaven, even if he were to die five minutes later from a heart attack. You cannot separate Jesus Christ the person from the gospel, because Jesus Christ is the gospel.

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    • Chaplainsteve1
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:49am

      Great Observation. How does the Leftist media get away with it?

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    • USAMama
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:32am

      @ PC- I think you need to dust off your Bible and take another look, it’s a common theme! Here‘s just a few I found right away and I’m not even mentioning Revelation or the Old Testament, just Jesus:
      Mark 43-44 “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—where
      ‘Their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

      Matt 13:49 “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
      and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:34am

      As it says reason together, if you are impatient go to the last paragraph

      True there is no hell as preached. Hades is a Greek word (New Testament) for holding place as is Sheol the Hebrew (Old Testament). These two words have been distorted out of ignorance and they are taught as fiery hell in most theological cemeteries.

      Stay with me I will explain.

      As you say, the Catholic book has always been wrong, as it is a manifestation of pure pagan foundation mixed with a scripture and a poem. When Constantine created Catholicism, it was in hopes to satisfy his wife’s new true Christian experience/salvation (as given by Christ and the Apostles) and the pagan-citizens of Rome. They were mostly pagan worshipers, don’t forget who murdered the Christians, so he could not just one day say here is Christianity bury your statues of evil (Written History). He mixed their beliefs much like a kaleidoscope of human indulgences.

      I must correct the incorrect treatment of some died without the offer of salvation. You will be amazed at what Christ did while in the tomb. His flesh died but the God did not and He was and is God. His body, Jesus, was torn beyond recognition and 3 days (2 ½ days are the same it is just a matter of knowing more) later he was recognizable and walked in the streets, read and think please. If you will read, it says He went to the HOLDING place (while supposedly in the tomb) Hades/Sheol and preached to the prisoners there since the beginning of man including the flood. All that believed were saved from ETERNAL TORMENT and preserved for the coming of the “Kingdom of God” as we are today unless we fall by the wayside of course because we are still LIVING souls or free-agents.

      You may not be aware that Christ was a thin FLESH shell to cover GOD as we could not withstand His presence. The faithful of old were not allowed to see Him, like Abraham and Moses et al. IF, a mere mortal man were to see God he would die and that is Bible.

      You must know your scripture better than what I have seen to save people, they demand truth and when they do not get it, they will invent what ever is comfortable and what seems logical to them.

      ATTENTION:
      Jesus did go and “preach unto the spirits in prison” (1 Peter 3:18-20) and made clearer in (1 Peter 4:6). The full definition of spirit here as follows, they were dead so he spoke with their spirit chp 3 then chp 4 the spirit is “spiritual existence” . You must have more than a mere Bible, you must have the words as they were in the time they were spoken and are not found in any secular dictionary anymore. There was a time when Webster’s had most of them but Socialist had them removed. The words were only good for the original King James era at that.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:43am

      @Automan
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:13pm
      Dude, the words Hades and Sheol are the same place for your every day human that is placed in “HOLDING” upon death, which is what BOTH words mean. Hades is Greek and the New Testament or Contract and Sheol is Hebrew or Old Contract. Jesus spoke Aramaic.

      Yes, the Abyss and the fallen angels are different and are CHAINED until the Day of the Lord.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:48am

      @ BIGROD……at the risk of sounding arrogant let me see if I may help you. It is true that God is omnipresent, but this does not mean that He can’t remove His presence from a given place. Omnipresent simply means He can be everywhere at all times but does not mean He is bound to be everywhere at all times. Hell by its very spiritual definition is the location where God’s Spirit does not dwell. That is why it is called the second death because it reflects a separation of God from certain creatures of his creation. Namely those who practiced evil and did not repent and believe in His one and only son Jesus and His death on the cross to take their place.

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    • thegrassroots
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 2:04am

      Good Job Martin!
      I hope Bell “squirmed” all the back to and under those rocks he crawled out of.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 2:41am

      @Bigrod58 aka dreamer
      Posted on March 15, 2011 at 10:35pm
      Pitiful try. You asked a question and you answered correctly, you do not know, so don’t try to twist in an effort to deceive. My favorite quote: “…evil machinations of nasty little men”. WWII ace.

      Being without God would be a hell if you take our present misunderstood definition of it. Hades (Greek) and Sheol (Hebrew) have the same meaning, HOLDING place. It is a Temporary place and no one goes to heaven upon death, (yeah we lie to make people feel better) though saved, you are in line.
      Preachers with good intent did not know the clouded words of another time. In one year, we will invent many new words and if not documented future people will not know what we mean by mere words of OUR time. You would not know the meanings of “hip lingo” of the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, if it were not already documented.

      The Kings English is lost to us today and the new bible translations are worse even blasphemous. One book titled, “A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature” is one of the best for accurate translations of words and with the proper spelling. Why early literature? You have to read books or recordings of the times a word was used in to understand it. We use letters, stone engravings and many other types of communication to understand those words of old.

      You can’t go to modern dictionary to understand Cleopatra right and the Catholics burned many of our Christian writings and kept the ones they chose to keep in hiding and under guard by the “SWISS Special Forces” or the Popes guard. Those guys dressed in those funny little tights at the Vatican are trained killers dude not just tourist attractions. The lie; Swiss are natural.

      There is place for eternal misery it is not clear where this is in my readings or study but it exists just have not found the exact description but it is written. There is a heaven (several levels) more specifically OUR mansion and is being prepared just for us. The ones that follow Jesus truly will be inside the gates and those that are half hearted but saved will be looking in…

      Those that have rejected the Living God will not be comfortable and that is well documented.

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    • sonseeker
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 3:24am

      @trolltrainer
      If Jesus said “I am the way the truth and the life…no one comes to the Father but by Me.” which He did…John 14:6. He is saying everyone has to get by Him which means He alone is the decider, for those who have knowledge of Him and those who don’t….In Hebrews, Abraham’s faith imparted on him salvation (and others are mentioned as well) so let’s just let Jesus handle that one and we can work out our own salvation (sanctification) with fear and trembling.

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    • bullcrapbuster
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 5:03am

      My new book……….Hitler goes to heaven.

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    • Bob_R_OathKeeper
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 7:19am

      Trying to understand God, in the state we are in, is tantamount to bacteria studying God, I don’t think we have any clue of how God thinks, not a clue, it’s faith.

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    • Uncle Crusty
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:35am

      universalist huh? hmmm, maybe we strap him to a rocket and shoot him to the stars…then he can be in his universe!

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    • VerySeniorCitizen
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:41am

      Heaven and Hell are created right here on earth.

      For some money and power IS heaven!

      For some the lack of it IS hell!

      Heaven is knowing that the right thing has been done, that care is taken of people who – thru no circumstance of their own – are hungry, cold and distressed. It is knowing that we can, and will leave God’s planet the way we found it.

      Hell is what the weak are subjected to when the powerful and greedy suggest that they ‘pull themselves up by their bootstraps’ – except that they have no boots.

      Hell is destroying this earth for PROFIT while caring little about the health of future generations. Its all very well to say we can’t leave our grandchildren with debt, but who among you suggest that we should NOT leave them clean air to breathe, clean water to drink and healthy food to eat. If we don’t do this now, we are condemning future generations to a very different kind of hell than we can even imagine.

      Get it? No, I guess not!

       
    • heavyduty
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:48am

      He has to be a liberal, and believes in collective salvation. Evidently he doesn’t know about the ten virgins and the oil. That right there tells you that there is no collective salvation. Then he avoids the question just like liberals do. Because they don’t have a clue to the answer.
      Then we are under free will, and liberals can’t understand the free will idea. There is a heaven, so therefore there is a hell. Once you die you cannot be saved. If you don‘t accept God when you’re living, how can you when you’re dead?
      All this guy is wanting is to sell his book and become rich. We can’t do anything to ensure our salvation. All we can do is believe God and take Him at his Word.

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    • Uncle Crusty
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 8:51am

      obviously some responders here have not read the Bible – especially Revelations! There was an angel who was cast from Heaven for pride – and that would be Satan! And when Jesus returns, he will be the sword of live and death, and will cast down into the fire the unrepentant and unbelievers, and He will gather up His sheep into Heaven, to life there for eternity. these people who question this or disbelieve it, are lieterally playing with FIRE!

      Jesus said, the only way to Heaven is through me [Him], and also requires one to be saved ins his name (baptized), and repent of sins, and turn your back on evil ways. Anything beyond or short of that is pure speculation, and it is ignorant. This is the reason leftists (extreme ones), attack the Bible, people like homosexuals, and socialists, etc, to legitimize their blasphemy.

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    • Uncle Crusty
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:13am

      darn, in reading my last post, I must be dislexic (sp?)…i wrote live when i meant life, then further down i wrote life when i meant live…hmmm, is there somehting to read into that?

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:21am

      I am truly amazed how many people speak authoritatively on the most important subject a human being can consider without really knowing what they are saying……Who was Jesus Christ and what did he say about heaven and hell. So many have twisted scripture to the point it is indefensible. I am afraid they fall into the same trap as the pharisees when they had all the OT scriptures that point to and describe Jesus and and what he would do and yet most of them missed him. Not because they didn’t know the scriptures or that he did not give ample proof to them of who he was, but because their hearts were hard and they did not know the power of God or understand the gravity of their sin. The created God in their image rather than letting Him reveal Himself to them as He really is……………..

      31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

      34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

      37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

      40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

      41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

      44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

      45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

      46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:33am

      “I’m a pastor“ liberal code word for ”expert”
      A drip under pressure really.
      Our school system has trained our last 3 generations to believe that we need an expert.
      Doctors, scientists, behaviorists,psychiatrist,psychologists, principles, teachers, counselors -Yes Pastors……..
      This guy is a false prophet. The giveaways- haircut, expensive glasses and wears all black. Oh, and the BS.
      Read Isaiah “there is no peace ,saith God to the wicked”

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    • tamalpass
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:40am

      Ya’ll should look up Paul Washer on SermonAudio.com

      he’ll get your stems winded up!

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    • Islesfordian
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:53am

      “When Constantine created Catholicism”

      It is ignorant assertions like this that are a slap in the face to those who suffered for Christ at the hands of Diocletian, many of whom attended the council of Nicea called by Constantine. Is it likely that those who suffred the rack rather than give a pinch to Caesar would be bought off later without a protest? Is there a single Christian witness from that period to back up this ridiculous assertion?

      Please do not try to claim that the records of “true” Christians were destroyed by the establishmnet. We have too many writings of heretics, preserved often in Christian arguments against them, to make it credible that ALL dissent from Constantine was erased if there was such. We know much about the theological battles over Arianism after Nicea I. No side, neither the homoousian, homoiousian, amoian or semi-Arian side ever made the assertion that the Empire corrupted the church. Besides, there is this little thing called the reign of Julian, 361-3, who converted to Ne-platonism and attempted to revive pagan worship. If Catholicism really was the invention of the empire you would think this event would have had some impact on the various theological battle being waged at the time, but we zilch. There is no evidence that the opinions of an emperor changed Christian thinking in the slightest except in the ability to officially support one side or the other. Moreover, one might look to the case of Bishop Ambrose of Milan and his threat of excommunication of Theodosius for his brutality in suppressing a rebellion to see just how independent Christian leaders were from Roman power.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:59am

      @ ISLESFORDIAN……………spot on in your account of history and the early Christian faith. Spot on !!! people espouse things they have only heard from others all to often without researching credible sources simply because it fits their prejudice on the given subject matter. Good job !!!!!

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    • stephenb.net
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 11:08am

      I wish this were a longer interview. Bashir was vigalent and stood firm in the gospel as he asked his questions of Bell and Bell seemed to answer like a politician rather than an intelligent preacher of the word.

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 11:39am

      “I DID NOT SPEND MY LIFE NOT RAPING AND KILLING PEOPLE TO NOT GO UP IN THE SKY AND HAVE … CAKE!”

      - Patton Oswalt

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    • DTOM_Jericho
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 11:41am

      Hell is Greek Mythology. Hell as a place of eternal torment is never mentioned in Scripture. This came through Constantine’s merging of Mythraic paganism and “Christianity” in an attempt to save his empire. The mistranslation of a word (sheol, Hebrew) to an anachronism of “hell” or “hades” by rome and handed down do her daughters is the basis of “Christians’“ entire understanding of ”hell”; i.e. a lie.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:06pm

      @ DTOM………….That was a ridiculous statement historically and biblically. It is so wrong and off base I will not even retort to it because obviously you are not interested in truth in any way.

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    • USAMama
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:29pm

      @ VerySeniorCitizen

      Wow, is that what they are preaching now in the new age “greeen progressive” churches? If so, you need to RUN… QUICKLY…. GO!! Don’t look back, you are being decieved!!

      While what your saying sounds all nice and fluffy and “If we are just responsible and take care of the environment and the poor everything will be ok” it is simply not found ANYWHERE in scripture!! As a Christian I take it as a given that we should care for the world around us and the poor and be grateful for all that God has given us, but nowhere in scripture does it say that caring for the environment is necessary for getting into heaven. We do it out of respect for He who created it, just as you wouldn’t smash your loved ones homemade art or sculptures. If we really think that we, as mere humans, have the power to destroy Gods creation, we are truely vain. God has shown us just last week in Japan that He is far more powerful then we and he can destroy and recreate in an instant.

      I love how everyone wants to think that God is just this big nice guy who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but lets not forget Sodom and Gomorrah which God destroyed because He was disgusted with their love of homosexuality, or Babylon which God destroyed their language and ability to work together because of their great vanity. But lets not forget also, that before destroying Sodom and Gomorrah He promised Abraham and Lot that He would not destroy them so long as there were any found righteous. Before destroying the cities He told Abraham and Lot to get their families and flee the cities and don’t look back. He gave them plenty of forewarning of what he intended to do, just as He has done with us. He has been telling us since the beginning of time about the dangers of Hell, we just in many cases would rather live our lives and water it down and choose not to take Him seriously. But He is giving us plenty of time to prepare and if we don’t and end up in Hell it is not He who put us there.

      God is just and fair, but He is not weak or to be walked over and used as we humans are so good at doing to people. God loves us like a father loves his child, as said repeatedly in scripture. If you have a son or daughter and you love them unconditionally and they grow up to love and respect you and obey your rules then you will give them all good things, pass down to them all your treasures and protect them and guide them. But if that child grows up to hate you, even curse you or discredit you among others, disobeys, breaks the law, steals from you, hurts your other children sometimes even murders or physically abuses them, would you not throw them out of your house to protect your other children? Would you not even, if you are truely fair and just and they were murdering their siblings, even call the police and have them taken to jail so to protect your other children? However, if that child later realizes what he did was wrong and comes to you and is TRUELY sorry, not just saying the words, but truely means it, and promises he will never hurt you or your family again and wants to be reunited with you, wouldn’t you as a loving mother or father forgive their sins and accept them back into your home? This is how God is, constantly throughout scripture He is compared to a loving and just Father and we are His children. That does not mean that He will just automatically send us all to Heaven, as a father on earth has even been known to disown or remove the inheritance of children who do not respect them or have abandoned them. So is it with God, if we lose His inheritance it is not because he is mean or hateful but rather because WE have turned our backs on HIM and not the other way around.

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    • jblaze
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:32pm

      Mr. Bell does not have the power to amend or change the true gospel.

      Actually, the plain truth about the gospel message is simple and easy to explain, although it has been forgotten by this world.

      The English word “gospel” comes from the word “God-spell,” meaning good news. Even this is usually understood by most churches. But what is this “good news” all about?

      No clearer verse can be found to answer that question than Mark 1:14. Read it in your own Bible: “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.”

      There it is: The gospel is the good news of the coming Kingdom of God!

      This message of the Kingdom of God is not preached by the world’s churches, and hence they do not understand the truth about that glorious Kingdom. Yet, that Kingdom is spoken of throughout the Bible!

      The prophet Daniel speaks of this Kingdom in Daniel 2:44: “And in the days of these kings [i.e., a prophesied end-time empire of united nations] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

      Isaiah the prophet also speaks of this kingdom: “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder…. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice” (Isaiah 9:6-7).

      Many other verses could be cited. It is quite clear that what the prophets speak of here is indeed an actual kingdom, with laws, rulers, domain and subjects—not some ethereal place set up in “the hearts of men.”

      The Kingdom of God is a literal kingdom to be set up here on planet earth during the 1000-year reign of Christ after His second coming. It will break in pieces the kingdoms of this world and rule the physical nations of this globe, with Jesus Christ as the head. It will be a time of great peace, prosperity and tranquility, when all of God’s perfect laws and ways are administered (Isaiah 11:1-10; Micah 4:1-5).

      As the New Testament emphasizes, those who are saved will rule with Jesus Christ over these nations as kings themselves, but with eternal life as spirit beings (Revelation 3:21). And, astoundingly, Hebrews 2:6-7 says men are now only a little lower than angels! The saints will be made greater than angels! They will be members of God’s own family, on His own plane of existence, hence God- beings themselves, under the Father and the Son (Romans 8:12-17; 1 John 3:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:35-58).

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    • jblaze
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:46pm

      watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 9:21am
      I am truly amazed how many people speak authoritatively on the most important subject a human being can consider without really knowing what they are saying……

      Matthew 7 (King James Version)

      1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

      2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

      3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

      4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

      5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

      6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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    • VerySeniorCitizen
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 12:51pm

      USAMAMA – Does that name mean that you birthed the USA?

      I‘m sorry but you wasted your time with your ’epic’ rant. Your god is obviously VERY powerful – and VERY violent, but it took him BILLIONS of years to get this earth to where it was when you were born. It is taking man less than a hundred years to DESTROY that creation.

      Oh sure, Mother Earth will eventually restore itself, just as it did AFTER the Great Ice Age. However, humans will be long gone!!

      You know, a couple of years ago I found a stone in my garden and I took it to a museum – and they KEPT it. Why? Because it contained the fossil of something that was crawling around this old world some five-hundred million years ago.

      The six thousand years that you feel that this earth has been around? Sad, REALLY sad!!

      OH, and by the way, you talk about Lot and Abraham, et. al.. But you say NOTHING about Adam, Eve, Cain and Seth. Abel of course had long gone. If you can answer this question I will go back and read the REST of your epic.

      My question is this:- WHERE did Cain and Seth get their wives – that is if Eve was the ONLY woman?? And was god approving of incest???

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    • USAMama
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 1:15pm

      VerySeniorCitizen

      I was not ranting, simply sharing the Truth as I understand it. And yes God created Adam and Eve and told them to “Go forth and multiply”. Things were different then, yes we did all come from Adam and Eve. Call it incest if you will, but thats putting a negative spin on Gods beautiful creation. He gave us the ability to recreate and instructed us to do just that. Yes in the beginning many married their family members, it was common practice. The Bible gives the entire genealogy of man from Adam to Abraham in the book of Chronicles. He also gives the entire genealogy of Christ from Abraham on in the Gospel of Matthew.

      I am not 100% sure that the earth is millions or billions of years old just because man has said so. Do you know that there were dinosaur fossils found with soft tissue in them a few years back which would indicate that they were thousands of years old rather then billions? The bible references “Giants” roamed the earth in the beginning, could that be dinosaurs? Man lived before the flood for hundreds of years. After the flood our lives were shortened. It is a fact that reptiles grow bigger their entire life, there is no limit to their growth but death. Is it possible that dinosaurs, translated “giant lizards” are not just that? Dinosaurs that lived for hundreds of years, as did man in those days, but just continued to grow larger and larger?

      I am not saying this is true or that I believe it to be fact, just that these are questions worth considering. I know man is faliable and God is not so if I had to pick whom to believe, it would be God hands down. God does not address dinosaurs by name so there is no way of knowing but I will not resign myself to the belief that the world is billions of years old just because man says so. Science has been disproven many times over, but Gods word has never been disproven.

      “Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” Matt 24:35

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    • nakedjaybird
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 4:43pm

      If you force me to say whether my salvation depends on my response or God, I have to go with God every time; period. Salvation does not depend on man. Sorry, for all of those that believe such. God is clear; I chose you, you didn’t chose me. And, I will have mercy upon whom I wish. So, dig a little (or a lot) deeper.

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    • bluegoldnationdotcom
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 5:06pm

      Wow, this jerk again. Martin Bashir does a great job exposing this guy’s hack job of the Christian faith in an attempt to sell books. Sadly, exposure is exposure and this appearance will aid in the book sales.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 6:09pm

      @ JBLAZE…..funny how you don’t seem to think those verses apply to you since you did the same thing to me that you apparently think I did. And somehow you think you are automatically right and I am wrong. Perhaps you would consider how that verse would apply to you in the same way you would want to apply it to me before you use it as a rebuke simply because you disagree with me. You have displayed your hypocrisy by using that verse to “judge” me. You even misuse that verse in applying it to me in that way. In your understanding no one could never debate or disagree with any statements. That is not the meaning of that scripture at all. As you can clearly see form the way the verse ends Jesus never intended that we wouldn’t correct one another……..”and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” You are very weak in your exegesis of scripture yet you like to post as though you are an authority on things. A characteristic that you would like to brand me with. If your exegesis was under girded by soundness and accuracy then I would not correct you. You are the one that insinuated in another thread story that I was an unclean swine that you would not cast your pearls before because I have a different view of hell than you do. And you want to call me out on judging. That my friend is the height of the yeast of the Pharisees……..hypocrisy !!!!!!!!!!

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    • tommyD8thday
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 7:21pm

      I am sure that all of you who commented have already read the book and know all about Rob’s teachings and theology. But from what I have seen most of you have no clue! Try knowing what you are commenting on before you comment. I have not read it yet either but after having sat in his church for 5 years I can say that Bell teaches the Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible! He does not teach “collective salvation” as one of you suggested, he doesn’t make things up or amend the Bible. He teaches the truth and asks hard thought provoking questions. Sheesh! You people really need to get a grip! You let a 7 minute interview by a wackado liberal journalist shape your view of this man? Honestly!

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:24pm

      If what this pastor is saying is true, why did god sacrifice his only begotten son on the cross and shed his blood if it was really all gonna work out in the end?

      Sounds like anti-christ spiritualism.

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    • VerySeniorCitizen
      Posted on March 16, 2011 at 10:59pm

      @USAMAMA

      science has been disproved many times but god’s word has never been disproved.

      Well, I guess not. I’m waiting for someone to come back from the other side.

      And as for man’s life being shortened after the flood. Well, I guess it was if Methusulah (Gen. 5) was 969 years old (see, I know my bible) I guess your god didn’t think that any man was worthy of such a long life and cut it down considerably. Oh, and how were years, days, hours and minutes counted – with no clocks?

      I didn’t know that there was either the written word – or the spoken word in those ‘early days’ so at what point in man’s history did learn – and talk about those early days?

      And as for the incest bit. It didn’t happen once (with Adam and his family) it happened again with Noah and his family (Gen 6). So I guess god figured that it was OK – because he would NEVER repeat a mistake. So I guess there IS something to that 6 degrees of separation – that you and I are related – as we both are to every person, of every color, of every nationality, of every background. Oh, I forgot, ‘The Tower of Babel’ and the speaking in tongues. I guess that was when the ‘white man’ became ‘superior’ to the black, yellow and brown people – and superior to the folks with slanted eyes or tightly curled hair or big noses.

      Dinosaurs? Well, that is another story. How did Noah get them on the ark if they were 120 feet long from head to tail. And maybe he also had a nice big tank of salt water for the blue whales to swim in – they are a mere hundred-twenty TONS each. I’ve yet to meet a religious person who believes in the Darwin theory – so animals don’t change (ie” man from ape)

      As for Relevations and the Apocolypse. Do you NOT understand that it is man – not your god – who will destroy this planet? Listen to Glenn – he is warning of that apocolypse, and trying to persuade us to buy gold and food and seeds – NONE of which will help in such a catastrophe.

      ie: try buying a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk – if its available – with a gold coin, and get change.
      ie: try planting seeds (if the soild is usable at that point) and waiting for eighty or ninety days for them to grow and produce
      ie’ try living on that stored food while the climate cools enough (from atomic fallout), no water and no air other than what you have in your ‘sealed’ house

      If your god allows something like that to happen without us (MAN) doing everything in our power to prevent it then he has decided that man was just one of HIS mistakes.

      Have a nice night. I’m done with you!

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    • RealAmerican2011
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 1:32am

      Ok, Bashir is a tool. After reading the copy above, I expected to see Rob Bell squirming in his seat.
      What a bunch of hype… I hope he sells a ton of books. After watching the video, I get where he’s going with this.

      Once again, I cannot accept that anything from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and certainly not MSNBC has much to do with reality.

      May the Lord have mercy on us all!

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    • USAMama
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 2:45am

      VerySeniorCitizen:

      Your arguments about the Ark are laughable at best. First, if Dinosaurs were just “giant lizards” as I suggested, suppose he just took really young ones on- doh! And do you really think he had to put salt water tanks on the ark for whales… WHALES??? Do you thinke WHALES needed saving from a flood of water, seriously? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

      Its obvious you have no respect for “MY GOD” so I too am done with you :) If He is not also your God, you better pray your right that there is no hell, because thats one thing I wouldn’t want to find out too late about!

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    • mooseman
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:34pm

      I believe that those who don’t know Christ will be judged according to their hearts. Knowing that Christ had to die for our sins I know that the bar will be set extremely high. Did these people hold others to a higher moral standard than their own? (hypocrits) Were these people actually seeking the truth or were they just content to exist with what knowledge they had. Only Christ can judge the hearts and minds of men (or at least only His judgment matters…) so I‘m betting there will be some surprises as to who ends up in heaven and who doesn’t but one thing is for sure…if you HAVE heard the gospel and reject Christ there is eternal condemnation. No excuse for rejecting a Saviour who was willing to die in our place and pay the price for our sins.

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    • gocobra65
      Posted on March 17, 2011 at 4:34pm

      So right…..but that will never happen by the esteemed left comunist propaganda machine.
      You want to know what Hell will like…just wait til obama and his czars get done with us. I agree this really sounds a lot collective salvation. Come on lets speread a little salvation while we spread a little wealth……hmmmmm.
      By the way, why have’nt we hear from the Rev. Al “Race Bating” Sharpton, I’m surprised he has not put your 2 cents worth in.

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    • dorkchop
      Posted on March 28, 2011 at 7:32pm

      Don’t judge each other….nope never heard Christ say that one. Make Earth Heaven..nope not that one either. Live good lives…in the Bible? Love your neighbor…no way that’s in there, and would never be deemed “the greatest commandment” by Christ. All of you detractors, all of you people that say this is bad, all of you spending time breaking down other Christians…you will answer for it. Stop it and enjoy the message, and try for once to live it. Heresy and false doctrine to me is what you are doing. And what you are doing destroys Christianity more than anything else. You should be ashamed of yourselves

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    • merely
      Posted on April 10, 2011 at 12:15pm

      Hell can not be eternal. Only God, the Eternal, is eternal.
      GreatestStoryTold.com

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    • merely
      Posted on April 10, 2011 at 12:17pm

      “Hell” can not be eternal. Only God, The Eternal, is eternal.
      GreatestStoryTold.com

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