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MSNBC Hosts Baffled by U.S. Support for Handguns

MSNBC quickly turned to a gun bashing-fest on Tuesday that included the doozy of an observation that anti-gun Brits are from “the more intelligent part of the world.”

Newly-minted MSNBC host Alex Wagner sadly noted that “Support for handguns, or rather support for a handgun ban has gone down,” as she kicked off the panel discussion, titled “Out of Control?” A graphic then showed that, in October of 2011, support for a handgun ban was at 26 percent, whereas in 1959, it was at 60 percent.

The lone conservative on the panel, Jedediah Bila, interjected that the gun-grabber agenda only punishes the law-abiding and certainly didn’t work in notoriously violent Washington D.C. But this only seemed to egg on Wagner and Martin Bashir, also an MSNBC host.

The exchange between Wagner and the British-born Bashir continued on as follows:

WAGNER: Martin, you’re from the more intelligent side of the Earth –

[BASHIR Laughs]

WAGNER: Where they have different gun control laws and I wonder what you make of America’s cultural sort of fixation on –

BASHIR: You shouldn’t be asking me, because the attacks that are going to come on Twitter and Facebook are going to be overwhelming.

WAGNER: Oh, come on, that’s the whole point of this show!

Bashir continued on to praise gun control legislation in his home country, and blamed some of the U.S. gun agenda on the National Rifle Association.

You can watch the full video exchange of the gun-grabber chorus below, courtesy of NewsBusters:

(h/t Newsbusters)

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  • AuditoryEngineer
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:16pm

    I love Jedidiah Bila

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    • makeemstop
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:42pm

      Mrs. Bila, is obviously the only one with any common sense and done her homework on this show. Wagner is either really stupid, or thinks everyone listening to her is.

      She can’t possibly think that because their is a law, everyone is going to obey it. That’s why we have criminals. They don’t give a flip about the law. And the law can’t be everywhere or everywhere fast enough. That’s why every law abiding citizen needs to carry a handgun – loaded and ready to fire.

      As the economy gets worse, the more likely you’re going to need to protect yourself, family member or any other innocent fellow you nearby.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:45pm

      .
      I can hardly wait for them to Trot out Gabby, parade her around like a trained seal. Then try to take our guns away………

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:48pm

      2nd Ammendment Gun Ownership of individual Americans is THE REASON that the West Coast wasn‘t invaded by Japan in the 1940’s.

      “You cannot invade the mainland United States.There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

      - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
      (Japanese Navy)

      MSNBC = Modern Socialist Network Brainwashing Citizens

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    • atechgeek
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:48pm

      All I know is .. “I” get to own a gun and will use it to protect my family and my rights.

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    • Unix
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:01pm

      They are baffled because they would not know the Constitution, even if it hit them in the face, who knows, maybe one day it will?

      Viva TEA

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    • BlackAce41
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:02pm

      I am going to make sure i burried with my guns just piss them off….

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:08pm

      What an arrogant idiotic liberal woman !!!!!!! She is an idiot. Australia ban guns and immediately home invasions went up as well as personal violent crime. Then they took away knives and the problem worsened. There is more hope for a fool than someone wise in their own eyes, seems a fiitting comment for these people…..

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:09pm

      EVERYONE at LSD-NBC baffles ME!!!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:12pm

      @TH30PH1LUS

      That’s a completely bogus quote, as is the one also attributed to him about “waking a sleeping giant” (movie producers put it in “Tora! Tora! Tora!” for dramatic effect, but there’s no record he ever said it). The reason Japan never invaded was because there was no strategic point, it would stretch their forces (already occupied in Asia with Korea/China) too thin, and after the battle of Midway they had no chance to do so anyway.

      Doesn‘t mean the sentiment’s not true, but the quote is certainly false.

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    • hud
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:14pm

      All you folks need to read “What Police Know”. The police have no mandate to keep you safe, when danger is at hand the police are minutes away(up to 30 minutes). A Dallas cop was the first person to tell me get a gun, if you want to live.

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    • MAMAMEL
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:24pm

      What the people that are putting this stuff together don’t understand is the difference in time that we are talking about. We didn‘t have the same crime going on in the 50’s so most of the people were not thinking that they needed to protect themselves. Most of the people that had guns back then were just for hunting. Now I carry one for my safety in the city. I lived in a small town and never thought about havng it with me unless I was traveling. Now that I‘m back in the city I don’t go anywhere without protection.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:25pm

      @ TH30PH1LUS
      I was writing the same thing when I saw your post. You are exactly right.

      There is a reason these people are against gun ownership.
      Votes.
      In an insurrection, the shooters will be Republicans, and the shootees will be Democrats.

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    • robtech34
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:26pm

      These people are idiots, criminals don’t buy guns legally. They either steal them or buy them on the street. Fools, ignorant fools that just love to hear the sound of their own voices.

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:34pm

      [PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:00pm
      Makeemstop,

      You’re exactly right! That’s why I think murder should be legal.]

      Nah, what you liberal morons are really saying is that you should make self-defense against attempted murder illegal. That is how utterly and grossly stupid you are.

      [After all, murder being illegal hasn’t stopped murders from happening!]

      Actually, making murder illegal has slowed down murders. Another thing that has slowed down murders is better armed self-defense. And better armed self-defense is one of the things that you idiot liberals want to make illegal.

      [Courts and the public at large have always accepted limits on the first amendment right to free speech when it comes to public safety (for example,“fire” in a crowded theater). Yet somehow when we want to limit the second amendment for the purpose of public safety, it’s condemned as unconstitutional!]

      The flaw in your ever stupid argument is that taking away a means of self-defense will make the public less safe. In other words, you want to make screaming fire in a public theater legal.

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:37pm

      I wouldn’t expect a liberal to understand why guns are important.

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    • Delta D-5-3
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:38pm

      Don’t cha just LOVE the liberial mentality?? Or should I say, LACK of any mentality. But hey, we’re talking about MSNBC here, you know, the network with 2387 viewers on a typical weeknight. :)

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:38pm

      You can revisit who gets to own a firearm at the end of my barrel.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:52pm

      First off, trying to talk common sense with a Marxist gets no where. Maybe this Marxist from MSNBC should know that after governments regulate and confiscate firearms over 260 million innocent men, woman and children were killed by government. Obviously, it ain’t the innocent that are the problem, heck it ain’t the criminals.. it’s the big, corrupt governments that are the obvious danger. Read the 2A and look at history you Marxist moron that is why the 2A is in there!

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:56pm

      and yet Ms. Wagner…violent crime is trending down in the U.S. Imagine that?

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:57pm

      IN their utopian minds it will be a kinder gentler America without guns in our homes. They want this now when America is morally more out of control than ever. It is the good people who are responsible who need guns for defense of their families, homes and other property. It also is a good idea to have them to keep the government on its best behaviour. Everywhere (almost) where guns have been outlawed tyranny reigns. The places it doesn’t are the civil societies (for right now) who have progressed to the point where big government is not trying to take over their lives. They also need not worry about national defense over the last 40 plus years in the EU because America has been their international police. When things get bad, they send in the US Mil or the UN. Hence the argument no need for guns in the hands of people. That did not work out to well for the Rwandans.

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    • DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:01pm

      @Publius
      Um.. you should be able to yell fire in a theatre. Bad “laws” are not a good measurement for bad proposed “laws”. It should be up to the people in crowded areas; to citizens arrest that person and try them for reckless endangerment. Or what I would suggest is; pummel the person for endangering them.

      You have a skewed sense of how a republic works. You punish the action that violates others liberty. You do not STEAL all liberty under the guise of protecting the people. There should be NO gun control laws. Not a single one. It is not a “constitutional right” as this extremely stupid woman in the video called it. It is a Constitutionally PROTECTED right… that is.. a right that you ALREADY HAVE. It is a right.. .that means it CANNOT be legislated away through laws and regulations. I will own whatever gun I want. No “regulation” will ever change that. You want to get rid of guns legally? Amend the constitution.

      “… the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you…” –Savior Obama

      I agree with him. You can’t have it both ways.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:03pm

      watchtheotherhand, where do you get your information? Not here for sure:

      http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

      And where do you get that Australia banned knives? Seriously, knives? Can you still have forks?

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    • Emrys
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:04pm

      She should revisit this thing we call The Constitution of the United States, as well as revisit a little thing called History.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:06pm

      @ PubliusPencilman
      I want you, and the MSNBC anchors who believe in making the rest of us helpless, to put a sign up at your houses so it can be read from the street. I want the sign to say, “I do not have a gun and would never use one to protect myself. my family, or my property.”
      If you wouldn’t do that, you don’t really believe that gun ownership make us less safe.
      The reason you are safe in your house is because the bad guys are afraid its me who lives there and not you.

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    • ishka4me
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:07pm

      I thought she was attractive until she overwhelmed me with her sumug elitist arrogance. She disgusts me now. It is that attitude that really disturbs me.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:10pm

      Need we forget people that the man who finally stopped the Arizona shooter was carrying a concealed weapon which is probably why he felt confident enough to go after the gunman rather than run for his life. Somehow that always gets left out of the equation when discussing that incident. And secondly, laws never stop crazy! Funny how Libs say legalize Marijuana to reduce crime and make guns illegal to reduce crime. Shaky reasoning if you ask me. Make guns illegal and you will explode the black market with absolutely no idea of who has what. At least now most law abiding citizens are registered and printed. Yeah libs reasoning is as twisted as it gets…..

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:14pm

      BTW for the real story about gun control historically and globally watch this you tube video and educate the liberals……

      http://youtu.be/iDivHkQ2GSg

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:21pm

      Publi—

      Gun bans=laws against murder?????!!

      Ummm….I have no idea where to even start with that.

      “Yet somehow when we want to limit the second amendment for the purpose of public safety, it’s condemned as unconstitutional!”

      No, it is condemned as unconstitutional when you want to interfere with the rights of law-abiding citizens to own firearms; no one has any problem with making it illegal for known violent criminals to own firearms, that is an acceptable limitation of the 2nd Amend. “for the purpose of public safety”. A general ban applicable to everyone, under the fallacious assumption that guns are evil because they can be misused, is not.

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    • YoungBloodNews
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:25pm

      Those who turn their guns to plowshares shall plow for those who do not…

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:26pm

      Ask this bimbo to explain the EXPLOSION of firearm related incidents in the UK?

      The only ones with firearms are the crooks…..However, baseball bat sales are up by 600%!!

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    • TheVoice1
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:31pm

      TH30PH1LUS

      Absolutely awesome history post! Thank you for being on top of it my friend!!!\

      Stand Strong America

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:39pm

      @Thevoice1

      Too bad the quote is fake.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:45pm

      TH30PH1LUS

      Case in point: The Tillamook Guerillas.

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    • RichNGadsden
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:55pm

      PUBLIUSPENCILMAN, At first your sarcasm really made sense when I was mentally comparing it to other arguments against laws made by the left. Then you really had to go and put your boot in your mouth. Arguments about limiting the 2nd Amendment in comparison to the limits of the 1st Amendment? Really? Are you incapable of seeing the massive number of limitations placed on the 2nd Amendment already? California, Illinois with Chicago getting a special mention, New York, New Jersey, Washington DC, or should I continue. The 2nd Amendment is the part of our Constitution with more illegal limitations on it. Parts of this country will not allow you to protect yourself in your own home even when attacked by multiple armed invaders. The 2nd Amendment is just like any other right we have. it takes responsibility. That equally applies to freedom of speech. Where the public in general has no weapons, the criminals with weapons will multiply.
      JZS, if you are still using Snopes as a source you just prove what a dumbass you are. Snopes has been proven to be wrong so many times it’s not funny. They also have a left wing agenda….which I suppose fits your world view.

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    • watchtheotherhand
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:57pm

      Tell ya what JZS….do a little more research before you question me again and find out for yourself what you should have done before you commented. The research is clear home invasions went up and YES they have passed strict knife laws……

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    • JohnnyRaiden
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:12pm

      Locked is more or less right. It’s most likely a misquote. I would say it stems from the talks of invasion and knowing that the public owned a LOT of military grade weapons and knew how to use them.

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:39pm

      I guess the moron has never read the U.S. Constitution.

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:40pm

      i’ll give you a hint as to who should own a handgun.
      Every Man and Woman on the planet.
      When seconds count the police are just minutes away.
      If everyone around that man had a gun, that man would have been stopped and\or dead before he could pull the trigger.

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    • TheValley
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:44pm

      @Publiuspencilman….what part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED>>>” is giving you trouble? Or is comprehension something you struggle with?

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    • EZDOZIT
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:46pm

      Liberalism will get you killed!

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:59pm

      PUBLIUSPENCILMAN
      Posted on November 14, 2011 at 12:26pm
      “There is a time and place to exercise your First Amendment rights”

      OK, but it’s funny how so many people refuse to acknowledge this logic when it comes to Second Amendment rights!

      Hey Publius,

      Above is your reply to another posters statement from a recent story.
      I asked you this then, but you did not reply. So here goes again………

      Just when is the appropriate time, and where is the appropriate place for one to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights?

      If you are going to claim that I am somehow taking you out of context, please clarify exactly what you meant.

      Do we not already have many restrictions and regulations?

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:05pm

      Haha! Fantastic! I just love all of you who babble on about “law abiding citizens,” as if this were a magical category of people that we know for sure would never commit a crime. If we knew for sure in advance whether someone would ever break the law, that would make deterrence a lot easier, wouldn’t you say!

      But, based on the logic of deterrence, you would assume that because so many young gang members have guns, they must all be safer, right?

       
    • Walkabout
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:09pm

      jzs

      Try again!

      http://www.aic.gov.au/en/statistics/homicide/weapon.aspx

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:16pm

      @PUBLIUS

      Ummmmmmmm

      If one gang has guns, and their rivals have slingshots, which gang is safer?

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    • navypop
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:19pm

      a police officer carries a gun to protect him or herself…not us ..i carry one for the same reason.

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    • Mike N
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:19pm

      @ LOCKED

      Just as a believer has not yet proven that the Yamamoto quote is true and accurate, you should never assert that the quote is necessarily false without evidence to back up your assertion.

      In any case, the fact that all Americans have the right to bear arms is, in itself, sufficient reason to give pause to any foreign power intent on invading our nation.

      Furthermore, it is interesting to note that guns were the most advanced of available weaponry when the Constitution was written, is it not? Yet the Constitution did not limit the rights of citizens to own only inferior arms such as swords, or knives, did it?

      Following the extrapolating logic of progressives, that would entitle all citizens to possess nukes today . . . duplicitous morons, every last one of them.

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    • Hollywood
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:25pm

      The headline should have read MSNBC Hosts Befuddled! Nuf said! A 30ish vacuous host, who has the Intelligence of a DOORKNOB. Typical.

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    • SLOWBIDEN
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:33pm

      Locked… the only reason they didn’t invade is we took the fight to them.

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    • ProbIemSoIver
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:01pm

      I want to get an opportunity to debate some left-wing liberal moron, either in a court of law, or a public forum, regarding the meaning of ‘inalienable’ and ‘not to be infringed’.
      I am tired of brain-dead “scholars” and “experts” “interpreting” (misinterpreting) our Constitution according to their ideologies.
      For all you that are bereft of any ratiocination or education, ‘inalienable’ and ‘not to be infringed’ basically mean ‘Cut and Dry’, Carved in Stone, or not to be “interpreted” by some egotistical idiot, 235 years later.

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    • PassTheAmmo
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Hey Bashir, I will buy you a one-way ticket back to England if you promise to stay there.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:03pm

      I stand corrected – it seems that quote cannot be proven to come from Yamamoto. Wherever it came from, the truth behind it is that armed American citizens are a great deterrent to foreign agression and governmental oppression.

      “The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did.” (Source I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789)

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:09pm

      “…as if this were a magical category of people…”

      ….like the “1%”, that magical category of people who somehow are siphoning everyone else’s money away? Different subject, I know, but I couldn’t help but scoff at the irony. All leftists seem to do is talk about “magical categories of people”, rather than real individuals.

      Again, the fact that something can be misused is not sufficient reason to prohibit its use altogether, and claiming that it is is the fallacy of false cause.
      Please try a non-fallacious argument now, Publi.

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    • Patriot Rider
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:16pm

      I wonder if those who push a gun ban agenda and use the laws from England for their basis realize that since the handgun ban in Britan in 1996, their overall crime rate is UP over 300%?
      More guns, less crime, PERIOD!!!

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    • RickWS
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:17pm

      It‘s why we’re still free you moron!!!!!!!

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:30pm

      Komponist,

      I didn‘t answer your question before because it didn’t seem helpful at all, but I’ll be happy to let you know what the time and place are–

      For one, as part of a “well regulated militia.” You know, like the amendment says.
      For another, there‘s no reason why people shouldn’t be able to hunt and partipate freely in gun sports (again, well regulated).

      Easy enough.

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    • robert
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 6:53pm

      Here’s an excellent example of leftist inability to reason in clear cogent terms, not because they don’t support guns,but because they’re anti-gun logic is on a truly moronic level. So much of what they say doesn’t make sense on an intellectual level.

      And if this inept moderator thinks Bashir is British she’s even dumber than she sounds. He’s a Muslim pure and simple, born to Muslim parents. Although he claims a conversion to Christianity it’s a farce in order to hope to gain credibility with his viewing audience. He has been VERY active in various fund raising endeavors for Muslim causes.

      Martin Bashir is a brown-skinned Muslim that despises the white power structure and his rabid leftist meanderings is an attempt to weaken the West any way he can.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:09pm

      Problemsolver,

      “For all you that are bereft of any ratiocination or education, ‘inalienable’ and ‘not to be infringed’ basically mean ‘Cut and Dry’, Carved in Stone, or not to be “interpreted” by some egotistical idiot, 235 years later.”

      Why not! The Second Amendment should always mean exactly what it meant when the Bill of Rights was passed–you all have the right to keep and bear black powder single-shot muskets!

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:16pm

      Ummm…that was TheRightsofBilly’s question….

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:23pm

      “….like the “1%”, that magical category of people who somehow are siphoning everyone else’s money away?”

      Well, I’m not one to talk about the “1%” all the time, but it’s pretty clear that the definition of the 1% primarily involves wealth share, with some consideration of income and profession. It is no more difficult a category to understand than the “53%” that conservatives wave around in response.

      Categories like the “1%” involve quantitative assessments of current factors. “Law abiding citizens” in this context implies the knowledge that in the future he/she will not commit a crime–that assumption of being able to predict something like this as a basis for public policy is why I dubbed it “magical.”

      Just because you don’t understand a very basic concept does not mean its magical.

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    • robert
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:23pm

      PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:00pm
      Makeemstop,

      “You’re exactly right! That’s why I think murder should be legal. After all, murder being illegal hasn’t stopped murders from happening! ”

      You wanna bet, old boy? You’re trying to give parity to the gun issue with your sarcasm, but it’s so ludicrous it comes across as really intellectually inept, something out of La La land. or Twinkieville.

      Your childish argument isn’t a credible argument at all, but it doesn’t matter. You can scream hysterically till you’re blue in the face, bringing up nonsensical points in favor of gun control, but it will do you no good. Guns are here to stay. Besides we are going to need them when Civil War II begins.

      Also, you and your rabid leftist zealots are NEVER going to be able to even put controls on gun ownership, so quit trying. You’re just making a fool of yourself…………again.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:28pm

      Hey Publius,

      I was the one that asked you the question. You replied to the wrong person.

      We certainly would not want someone as scatterbrained as that to be allowed to have a firearm, now would we. Easy enough.

      What about all those law abiding hunters with guns? According to you, they are just criminals waiting to happen.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:35pm

      @ PubliusPencilman
      Your position seems to be that someone is safer if he doesn’t have a gun.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Therightsofbilly,

      Sorry to respond to the wrong person, but I suppose that’s the peril of arguing with several people at once.

      Hunters? Did you read my answer? I directly addressed that. Please try to read more carefully in the future.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:46pm

      @BUCK SHANE

      Hey Buck,

      In PubliusPencilman’s case, that is probably true.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:59pm

      Publi—

      Where exactly did I say I didn’t understand the concept the “1%” (or the “53%”)? It‘s quite easy to understand the concept of statistical categories and what quantifications they’re based on. Just remarking on the irony.

      For the “law-abiding citizen” category’s definition…how about everyone who obeys the law? True, we can’t know that any particular individual will always obey the law, and everyone is certainly capable of violence, but if that is grounds to deprive everyone of one right, why not all? Why not just throw everyone in jail?

      And to your rather flippant remark about muskets, the 2nd Amend. says “arms”, not guns—“arms” being defined in Webster’s as “a means (as a weapon) of offense or defense”.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:02pm

      “Your position seems to be that someone is safer if he doesn’t have a gun.”

      Sometimes this is true, but it’s not the most important point. The most important factor is that everyone is safer if certain guns are banned. Now, I could be very safe is I put landmines around my house, but the threat to society is such that I am not allowed to. Handguns are not as extreme a case by any means, but the question of public safety is key.

      For whatever reason, many of you are simply convinced that handguns are falling from the sky, and therefore everyone needs one. This, of course, is not the case. Even an illegal handgun had to be manufactured by someone, and it had to be sold by someone. Sometimes it is bought by someone who will use it to commit a crime. Sometimes it is bought by one of your happy “law abiding citizens,” and then stolen by a criminal. Either way, every illegal handgun started out a legal one. I don’t believe that there are people in their basements in Compton manufacturing handguns.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:10pm

      @Publius,

      It’s only a peril if it pertains to something important. Hence the reason for not wanting you to obtain a firearm.

      Yes, I read you carefully. You said hunters should be allowed to hunt, (Well regulated). I assume by well regulated you mean that they pass a background check, and that they are law abiding citizens.

      But earlier you were making the case that law abiding citizens could very easily become non-law abiding citizens at any time. And that seemed to put you in a quandry.

      So what is it? Do we have enough restrictions and regulations in place for you already, or not?

      If not, why don’t you lay out your detailed plan for us. Make it your ideal wishlist for gun ownership in the U.S.A.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:13pm

      @ PubliusPencilman

      So, your position is that we will be safer if we don’t have legal guns.

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    • Cynic-clinic
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:44pm

      I had the same type ofdiscussion with 3 journalists and explained that there have been millions of violations of the ethical responsibility of journalists since 1959 creating misery and even death in peoples lives because of it and now, there is nothing left for the US to do except repeal the first amendment of the constitution to prevent these horrors, especially by journalists, in the future.

      Don’t you agree all you journalists ?

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    • JohnnyRaiden
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:55pm

      PUBLIUSPENCILMAN~ is just trolling. Let’s go ahead and assume EXACTLY what it meant in the past. Shall not be infringed, ok, doesn’t mention guns or knives etc at all ,but arms which means weapons in general. So we now know we the people have the right to bear weapons of any any class, ok good. A well regulated militia, little tricky now so keep up, a militia was US. Or at least any able bodied man so once again the time and place is everywhere at any time. You make weird and stupid black and white assumptions that I guess is just you trolling some more. Obviously a law abiding citizen isn’t a gangmember, which is a distinction you have issues making, like I said, weird and stupid.

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    • Rob in Katy
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:20pm

      Liberals have the choice of so many countries that they can move to where handguns are banned, in fact, where most gun ownership is banned and they don’t even have to leave the North American continent. Please, those of you that have a fundamental disagreement with our Constitution – LEAVE! Follow your dreams, but do it elsewhere.

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    • artistskeptic
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:22pm

      Where does MSNBC get all the nieve little twits and could their opinion possible be remotely significant to anyone other than themselves

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    • techengineer11
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:48pm

      Take my guns Obama.. I have complete and total trust in my government.. I promise I do. .I trust you soo so much and I only believe that you are your ilk desire what’s best for me and this Nation.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:06pm

      Johnnyraiden,

      “A well regulated militia, little tricky now so keep up, a militia was US. Or at least any able bodied man so once again the time and place is everywhere at any time.”

      That’s not tricky so much as completely ahistorical and illogical. In the eighteenth and well into the nineteenth century, the militias were formal organization controled by the state (or before that, the colony). These organizations included formal military rankings and regular drilling. This is what the founders had in mind when they said “well regulated” militia.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:16pm

      WATCHTHEOTHERHAND says, “Tell ya what JZS….do a little more research before you question me again and find out for yourself what you should have done before you commented. The research is clear home invasions went up and YES they have passed strict knife laws……”

      Tell ya what OTHERHAND, when you or this website posts “statements of fact” without substantiation, without references, without proof, without evidence, it’s not up to me to disprove it. If you claim something as fact, it’s not up to me disprove it. It’s up to you to prove it. You made the statement, I just called you on it. And I’ll question you every time when you make claims out of thin air. I don’t need to do any research to question you, zero, none, when you claim a “fact” without some evidence, some link, to support your claim. That’s the way it work HAND. I take it your don’t understand statistics either.

      Knives in Australia? They “passed strict knife laws”? You mean against owning switchblade like in the US? So more switchblades in the US would decrease crime? Can you defend the idea that more switchblade knives reduces crime (you know, a person can whip it out and defeat the criminal)?

      Shouldn’t you be connecting dots somewhere?

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:25pm

      @ PubliusPencilman
      So, you believe that someone is safer if he doesn’t have a gun.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:40pm

      Oh my, a certain someone is really feeling his oats today.

      And he has no business chastising anyone for posting unsubstantiated facts.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:04pm

      Walkabout, you don’t seem to understand graphs, because this shows the opposite of what you’re claiming. The graph shows that homicides from guns has been decreasing for the 20 years. So I don’t see what your point is. After the “buy back” program in 1997 homicides continued to go down. And notice the r squared value of 0.6278. That’s high. If I knew the number of data points, I could give you a significance level for that value.

      In any case, this graph seems to say that as gun homicides have gone down, knife homicides have gone up. I guess the idea is that if you don’t have a gun, you’re still gonna kill the guy. Okay, if that’s your point, fine. But if you look at the r squared value, 0.1137, that’s not statistically significant. You can‘t tell if that’s a trend or not because it’s so heavily influenced by that last data point, something which occurred nine years after the buy back.

      The graph does show however, that homicides from guns in Australia – a country that does not guarantee gun rights – has steadily decreased for the last 20 years.

      Good post.

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    • Wartface
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:06pm

      The 2nd Amendment exists because our Founder’s knew… Oppressive governments always take away Freedom of the Press and Gun Ownership, so they have total control of ALL of the people. When you fear the government, you have tyranny. When your government fears your vote, you have liberty and freedom.

      Never make it easy for the government to gain control of the masses… You, your kids or grand kids!!!

      Our elected officials… the presumed good guys that only worry about us, The People, have completely laughed at the Constitution… to gain more power!

      They have bankrupted the country while getting RICH, through insider trading, that THEY made legal. And you fools think that they want to get rid of guns to protect… Us the People?

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:17pm

      @ Wartface
      Perfect.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:25pm

      Hey JZS,

      Just for giggles…..

      http://www.aic.gov.au/en/crime_types/property%20crime/burglary.aspx

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:06am

      Funny that Scots and Brits are moving to my neck of the woods (NC USA) more than ever. I keep hearing that they are afraid of Muslims taking over and no way to getting ahead as two main reasons. One guy that sold me a car said he loves the fact that you are allowed to defend your family here in the states. He loves it so much that he’s moving to Texas! Actually a good idea.

      Democrats getting warmed-up for massive voter cheating in 2012. Learn more here…
      http://americac2c.com/profiles/blogs/the-obama-cheating-machine-called-the-dept-of-justice

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    • brenpd
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:07am

      PUBLIUSPENCILMAN,

      Murder is a verb. Gun is a noun. Murder is what one person does to another. Gun is a tool like any other. It can be used for good or evil. It depends on the intent of the user.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:16am

      Hey JZS,

      What exactly are you claiming that WALKABOUT was claiming?

      I don’t see that he made any claims at all about the graph. Unless a post of his was removed.

      Can you imagine that over a third of their population thinks their own home will be burgled in the coming year?

      And then they give tips on how to prevent burgles. How rich.

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:24am

      These nitwits don’t realize that every time they open their mouths about gun control a few more people go to the store to get one while they still can.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:38am

      Hey JZS,

      Just did a little more research on that website.

      Did you know that sexual assaults down under have been rising at a YEARLY rate of 4% ?

      How could that be possible?

      Now you may say my claim is unsubstantiated, but you already have the link. Just do a little bit of your own research. Make Glenn proud.

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    • phil65
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 1:19am

      PubliusPencilman
      Quit whining you freaking bleeding heart, why should your desire not to own a gun effect whether I own one or not? Your whiny ass will not have to worry about me having a gun unless you intend to assault or rob myself or someone in my family. The person who is going to assault you with a gun is not someone who actually cares what the law is, why is it that you morons don’t get that fact? Law abiding citizens don’t go out to shoot your pansy ass but criminals do. Why don’t you just worry about yourself and quit worrying about everyone else for a change? Surely there is something in your life that needs your attention.

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    • TXBadOneToo
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 3:43am

      I wonder if Obama, Pelosi and other liberal anti gun politicians would be willing to have their ‘security’ teams give up their guns if strict gun laws were passed?? I‘m sure the answer is ’No.’ So why should we law abiding home-ownvers give up our guns?

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    • old white guy
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 6:52am

      bashir might like to review how well the police in england prevent crime. these idiots seem to think that if there are no guns there will be no crime. we will soon have to protect ourselves from the police. there seem to be increasing problems with police harrasing people who are going about their peacful legal business.

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    • carbonyes
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 8:27am

      JZS, your intelligence, or lack thereof belies you. Get your head out of your azz, smell some fresh air and look around. The country is going to Hell in a hand basket, and you continually make post after post on the blaze which regularly either show your ignorance or your purposeful intent to bring confusion instead of clarity to the issues at hand, which are many. Unfortunately the themes and threads that you seem to support and the rest of the liberal left who are either knowingly or unknowingly bent on destroying this great nation, need a check up from the neck up. If you dare to find out about yourself, read, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness” by Dr. Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD, Forensic Psychiatrist. You seem to pride yourself in research and knowledge. Dig into that if you dare. If you don’t, consider yourself permanently resigned to exist in the cosmic goop that makes up the rest of liberal insanity

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    • boshando
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 8:49am

      TH30PH1LUS, EXACTLY! For the love of God more people need to hear that quote

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    • your sensei
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 9:08am

      Robotech34 . . . Where did Jared Lautner get his gun? Mark David Chapmann? John Hinckley?

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 9:56am

      Therightsofbilly says, “Did you know that sexual assaults down under have been rising at a YEARLY rate of 4%? How could that be possible?

      Hey Billy. I don’t know why. Maybe the population is increasing at 4% a year. Maybe the population is increasing at 8% a year, in which case rapes are decreasing.

      Japanese have no private gun ownership and the crime rate in Japan is far lower than the US. Why is that? It’s too complicated an issue to address with simplistic ideas.

      CARBON, you think I’m stupid and destroying the country. Okay. I understand what you have said.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 10:21am

      no need to be baffled as to why their ratings are so low.

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    • PubliusPencilman
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 10:58am

      Haha! A dozen-on-one here and I win another argument. This is just much too easy.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 11:21am

      Congratulations Publius

      Is your real name……Amanda B. Reckonwith ?

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 11:52am

      It’s 4th and 19
      The ball rests on the 23 yard line
      There’s the snap
      JZS is under heavy pressure
      He get’s the kick off
      OHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYY
      What a punt

      Good one JZS, I’ll have to remember that.
      Just claim that an issue is too complex for simplistic ideas.

      Here’s another unsubstantiated, simplistic fact for you to research.

      With all of our guns, our crime rates have been on a steady downward slope.

      Puzz puzz puzz

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:17pm

      @ your sensei
      Good Point!
      “Where did Jared Lautner get his gun? Mark David Chapmann? John Hinckley?”
      That there are people like these are the reason why people need to be armed.

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    • Phoenixsoulfire
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 12:46pm

      Said “TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:48pm

      2nd Ammendment Gun Ownership of individual Americans is THE REASON that the West Coast wasn‘t invaded by Japan in the 1940’s.

      “You cannot invade the mainland United States.There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

      - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
      (Japanese Navy)

      MSNBC = Modern Socialist Network Brainwashing Citizens”

      Don‘t forget came right out of Joseph Stolons own mouth the only reason why he didn’t want to go to war with us because all the Citizens had guns

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 1:03pm

      Billy, keep your day job. Crime rates are decreasing? Okay, I’ll buy that. It’s probably related to the increase in world temperature. Or Obama’s election. Or the 11 year solar cycle which is nearing it’s peak. Or because this is the age of aquarius.

      Since this is a fact and logic free zone, one guess is as good as another.

      Shouldn’t you be working harder organizing a community or something, like Mao did during the revolution? When I think about your unionizing efforts (although, sure, don’t call it a union to be safe) it makes me afraid for this once great nation. People have rights, not communities, you Stalinist.

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    • RIGEL_ORION
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 1:26pm

      JZS,

      You actually stumbled on a truth there. I guess it is true what they say about blind squirrels.

      Crime rates are lower in Japan with relatively few guns. They are ALSO lower in Switzerland, with a large majority of the populace armed. Why? Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.

      What are the reasons that people are ‘law-abiding citizens’?

      For some, its due to a moral compass
      For others, they are afraid of the consequences

      Liberal theology ends tragically time and time again because its followers can’t/won‘t accept the fact that human nature can’t be changed. Some people will always have to be deterred.

      Perhaps you recall reading about the ‘knifing/stabbing’ problem that was steadily growing in the UK over the past several years. It’s almost as if a human being is intelligent enough to develop all sorts of elaborate means of killing/maiming one another – just ask a prison guard.

      What was the knee-jerk reaction to the stabbings in the U.K.? Ban the knives!!! Then people buy baseball bats. Better ban those too.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 1:47pm

      @JZS

      Here ya go buddy. Just one of many you can find on the internets.

      Like I said, puzz, puzz, puzz

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html?_r=1

      And what are you rambling about me & unionizing?

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 1:49pm

      Anybody bring up the Pandemic use of Knives in the UK

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    • tenacgurl
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:04pm

      We all better lock and load……………………The country is going straight down the path to doom unless people wise up and start to use their INDIVIDUAL God-given rights. Those in power would like to believe we are all part of the midless herd……GUESS WHAT

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:26pm

      RIGEL_ORION, there wasn’t a lot of stumbling there (although of course I expect gratuitous insults). Yes, Switzerland is often mentioned in that context. I’ve looked for and never found a study that showed gun ownership, by itself, either lowers or raises the crime rate. It’s more complicated than that. But I’d disagree about “human nature” being the cause. Asians don’t have better “human nature” than anywhere else IMO. It’s more a cultural thing.

      Anyway, that’s why I objected when someone claimed that they “took away” guns in Australia (which they didn’t, it was voluntary) and then claimed the crime rate went up as a result. I objected to the claim, which is nonsence, but nobody else did – including you – because it fits with their ideology.

      As far as knives, nobody wants to “ban knives.” Certain kinds of knives, like switchblades and Bowie knives, yes. Switchblades in the US have been banned for 60 years. Not saying I agree or disagree, but I don‘t feel any less safe because I don’t have one.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:32pm

      @ RIGEL_ORION
      Good Post.
      Also, both Switzerland and Japan are homogenous populations. Our population heterogeneous. Sometime the heat of the melting pot cooks off conflicts.
      Sometimes different communities have different mores and morality, and conflict.
      An apple can’t ever be an orange.

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:33pm

      Well, congratulations to Publio….errr…wait no, you actually didn’t refute anything….It’s pretty hard to “win” an argument without refuting your opponents, however many there may be. But whatever you makes you feel better…

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:48pm

      @JZS

      Nothing gratuitous about them JZS, you earn every one of them. :-}

      Now, did you read the NYT article? If not, I suggest that you should, the entire article. Very informative.

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    • Vargas
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:51pm

      Regarding Gabby … could we not say it was a Gun that saved her life? wasn’t it a gun carrying dude that stopped the shooter dead-cold?

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 3:24pm

      @ JZS
      So, you seem to believe someone is safer if they don’t have a gun.

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 3:56pm

      Billy, you are a twit.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 4:30pm

      @JZS

      If by TWIT, you mean…..

      Talented
      Winsome
      Intelligent
      Tea Partier

      Then I agree wholeheartedly.

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    • Buck Shane
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 5:54pm

      @ Therightsofbilly
      Now you did it. You ran off one of the girlymen. Now who are you going to beat on?

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    • jzs
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 8:46pm

      Billy, I always wondered what the acronym “twit” stood for. Now that I know, I see that I’ve mispoken just like President Obama does all the time. You‘re nothing but a big ol’ anti-twit. You are whatever the antonym of twit is.

      Worse, you are a community organizer.

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    • Therightsofbilly
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 10:40pm

      Oh, so that’s what you were talking about with the unionizing thing. I remember now.

      Hate to break it to you, but that was a joke, you know…..sarcasm.

      Remember about 9 months ago when I said I enjoy dangling a piece of yarn in front of your face?

      Well, that was one of those times.

      You liberals really need to learn how to read “between the lions”, and how to recognize abstract humor when you see it.

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    • gringoviejo
      Posted on November 18, 2011 at 3:48am

      @ Makem
      “Wagner is either really stupid, or thinks everyone listening to her is.”
      Not “or”.
      Both

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  • garyM
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:16pm

    We must keep our guns to kill our food after Obama finishes off the economy also to fight off communist should they ever try to take over from within, I know that is hard for some people to see happening, with no one claiming to be communist or talking about a REVOLUTION. I’m sure if any nuts started talking like or ganging up and organizing that Fox would be covering that news instead of a sex abuse case at Penns State and one of many babies that have gone missing from people who neglect their children. Fox reporting is almost laughable if it wasn’t so serious!

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    • bernbart
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:28pm

      Bush almost finished off the U.S. economy, but it has improved better since Obama took office.

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    • Libertarian
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Yes and forks make people fat. The cure to American obesity is to ban forks.

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    • jakartaman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:34pm

      Hey Binbat

      You have got to stop those self rectal colon exams.

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:34pm

      bern are you seriouse or did you just wake up from a three year nap?

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    • BSdetector
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:35pm

      So Progressive policies almost finished off the economy and even bigger Progressive policies “has improved better”?
      I must agree. The Economy is getting many much more betterer the closer we get to full Socialism/Communism…

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    • Halloween
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:46pm

      BERNBART—-> I suppose Bush is also responsible for the fall of The Roman Empire, the mysterious disappearance of Atlantis and the Great Chicago Fire. Isn’t time for your psych meds and afternoon nap?

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    • Uncurable wound
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:48pm

      Hey burnt bart…….Ah forget it,whats the point?

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    • timej31
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:48pm

      I agree with the guy below. It has improved and I HOPE IT STAYS THIS WAY FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES. Good luck to ya.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:57pm

      Libertarian
      I think you’re on to something there. Have you contacted Mrs. Obama? You could get a half billion $ loan guarantee!

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    • sWampy
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:03pm

      It’s sure improved for the evil billionaires, wall street bankers, gang bangers and welfare bums, everyone else is left suffering.

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    • gr8photoman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:04pm

      Kinda like your grammar, huh Bern?

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    • Shasta
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:13pm

      bernbart, I have not laughed that hard in quite a while. Thanks for that bit of comedy.

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    • Blessed 2 B American
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:30pm

      Obviously, you are one of the deaf, dumb or blind miss informed, uninformed individuals who voted for Obama.

      Let there be no doubt Americans sought “Hope and Change” in 2008. Fed up with eight years of President George W. Bush’s ill-advised wars and profligate spending, they elected a Marxist who offered the vague promise that he would “fundamentally transform America.” His statement to Joe the Plumber that “we need to spread the wealth around” fell on deaf ears or was either ignored, dismissed or embraced by about 60 percent of the voters.

      Americans wanted change, but they didn’t get a change in direction. They got acceleration! All President Barack Obama has done is double down on George W. Bush’s policies of big government making it even bigger all the while putting America in the poor house and pushing America closer to European-style socialism!

      I hope you and those like you are proud of what you have done to America!

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    • kmichaels
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:35pm

      [bernbart
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:28pm
      Bush almost finished off the U.S. economy, but it has improved better since Obama took office.]

      Apparently your liberal head is deep up your liberal arse. Since the economy has most defintely gotten worse since Obama took over.

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    • Unix
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:38pm

      bernbarf is at it again, he really should stop huff the glue, that must be a heck of a way to life your life, oxygen starved.

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    • 762x51
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:02pm

      Looks like BurnedFart has been drinking the bong water again. Come try and take my guns little man. I haven’t killed a commie in over 35 years, but I remember how.

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    • garyM
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:08pm

      The dems took control of both houses of congress in 2006, the crash happens in 2008 while they were in power, does your ignorant a$$ not know this or are you just acting like a liberal usually does. Pelosi made the statement when the dems took control of congress, America doesn’t need God now, they got us democrats” Since the congress controls federal spending and all federal money, I’d say Pelosi had ate her words! I’d say you ate your too!

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    • Komponist-ZAH
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:31pm

      Halloween—

      The best “it‘s Bush’s fault” retort ever!

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:31pm

      BERNBART: You’re joking, right?

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    • Twobyfour
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 7:22pm

      Okay, confess! You’re the Baghdad Bob!

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    • JD714
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 11:26pm

      @BernBart I hope your being sarcastic and not a moron. Bush kept it a float, he did NOT fix things, but no one can deny that from 1776-2008 are gross spending peaked at $10T, and 2008+ increased $5T. So who’s sinking the economy?

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  • BDan6248
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:15pm

    Why do idiots praise the UK for it’s awesome gun control laws and statistics? It’s a s-hole country the size of Michigan that doesn’t share a border with anyone.

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:20pm

      I‘m curious as to why you’re bashing the UK in the fashion that you chose. Does gun violence only occur if a nation is larger than Michigan and shares a border with another country? I also think it‘s fair to mention that it’s a United Kingdom; England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. And finally, you’d be wrong in saying it shares no borders; it shares one with Ireland.

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    • Slipstick
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:33pm

      AND, they have a total ban on most guns. After THAT went into effect, the crime rate skyrocketed. Only criminals own guns in GB. They even want to ban things like steak knives.
      Intelligent? Civilized? Yeh, RIGHT!!!

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    • lukerw
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:45pm

      @LOCKED
      Remember… in the American Revolution, the first thing the British did was to confiscate weapons… in WWII, the British asked America Citizens to send them Guns for Home Defense against the Nazi’s… and, having lived there, I can tell you… people do have guns, in the Upper Class! In other words, Governments allow weapons to Loyalists and Defenders, but desire to prohibit to the Lower Class and Opposition… except, so far, in America!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:00pm

      @Lukerw

      But that doesn’t change the fact that BDan is relating them to the size of the country and sharing borders. I don’t understand what those have to do with gun violence or gun control laws. It’s like saying “America is a s-hole because it’s large and shares a border with Canada!” How does that relate to a discussion about guns at all?

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:42pm

      LOCKED: True, Great Britain doesn‘t deserve the trashing it has inflicted on it’self with the ban on self protection. The GOVERNMENT of Great Britain DOES however deserve every bit of trashing it gets, and more.
      Oh, and by the way when does a stretch of water become a border? There is a border between Scotland and England, and Wales and England although it’s hard to tell where they are. However, both Scotland and Wales are part of the United Kingdom and really aren’t considered independent countries, especially Wales. Ireland however, is an independent nation separated from England by the Irish Sea. Learn your global geography!

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 4:52pm

      @C. SCHWEHR

      “True, Great Britain doesn‘t deserve the trashing it has inflicted on it’self with the ban on self protection.”

      Still not seeing how calling it a s-hole that‘s smaller than Michigan and doesn’t share a border with another country makes sense in this conversation. You’re not answering that either.

      As for the “no border” comment. I’ll just let you look again at what four countries make up the United Kingdom, and then facepalm yourself:
      England
      Wales
      Scotland
      Northern IRELAND

      This is like saying the US has no bordering countries because Hawaii is in the ocean… try not to teach someone geography when you clearly don’t know it.

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  • GhostOfJefferson
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:14pm

    MSNBC quickly turned to a gun bashing-fest on Tuesday that included the doozy of an observation that anti-gun Brits are from “the more intelligent part of the world.”

    I heard that segment, absolutely the most insulting slurring little sneer I’ve heard in public from a leftist in a long, long time.

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    • BCPATIOT
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:11pm

      In their elitist little minds,they believe the average American can’t possibly be informed,educated,or measure up to their supercilious expectations.Maybe this why they go outside the “colonies”,to receive the answers to their own inadequacies.

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    • Just_Bubba
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:16pm

      I know what you mean. They were so smart and superior that without our stupid help they would all be speaking German right now.

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  • SiToNiTsOrOs1
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:13pm

    Do these morons not know that the BAD GUYS will get THEIR guns despite what ANY law states. Most Amercans are the good guys. The Left and the liberal media will be the first casualties when guns are taken from LAW ABIDING citizens. God Bless the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Send the liberal media back to school – without pay.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:17pm

      actually no…

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    • bernbart
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:37pm

      Well I’m sure the liberals are smarter and could out strategize the right any day.

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    • Uncurable wound
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:52pm

      No burnt bart,Its because you cheat-Its the liberal mantra.
      I HOPE Im there when you try to Cheat a bullet!
      TEA

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    • atechgeek
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:53pm

      Bernie .. you are in dire need of a history lesson.

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    • 4GODUSAANDISRAEL
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:54pm

      that’s why they have failed to do so in the past 100 years, they’re just lulling us gun owners into a false sense of security eh burnbutt?

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    • liberal_equals_liar
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:06pm

      Untrue, BurnedFart. Conservatives are much better at logical thought and planning. Case in point: look how badly the OWS movements are going even though “organized”. Compare that to the Tea Party events – no contest. Also, liberals lead with their hearts and not their minds, so a fight of the right vs. left in this country would not go well for liberals who would likely just fix bayonets and charge.
      From another perspective: Most military people are conservative, by a large margin, so you will find most of the best and experienced strategic minds are conservatives and would open a case of WHOOPASS on you liberals. And we all know liberals would be bringing their knives to a gun fight anyway.
      Bottom line: This is a fight that liberals would be unwise to pursue further.

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    • George Patton
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:40pm

      wow bernbart is providing us with some serious teachable moments here. Once again the “we are superior…we are smarter than everyone” sentiment is on display. And it is for this reason that they fell they should rule over other men. They are so much smarter they will make better decisions regarding your life than you will, so they will indeed by any means try to rule you…for your own good because you are not as smart. This pride has lead to such evil in the world. That is why the Nazi’s committed genocide, to wipe out the lesser humans…to create a more perfect mankind. the sentiments of bernbart are prideful and the seed out of which great evil grows. He seeks to rule you, but wears the clothing of liberty. Truly abhorrent.

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  • JLGunner
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:11pm

    There are 2000 gun laws on the books.Enforce some of them starting with Eric Holder and his cronies for fast and furious. If you want to see perfect gun control, go live in Cuba. The sad thing is, if I were to see someone attemting to rape this idiot, I would still defend her with my firearm.

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    • korbin
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:14pm

      They don’t know the half of it. The fact remains that the US is still a constitutional republic and the 2nd amendment is still upheld even through all the secret and not so secret gun control. I swear to my Lord Jesus they will have to kill me to get mine. This is one of my families favorite things to do, is go to range and train train train, tactical warfare to be prepared to defend our freedom. Ps. please visit democratsagainstagenda21 please please. they are trying to umbrella us under the UN. also if britons health care is go great why do they all have austin powers teeth, thats funny. I am a proud Conservative American, the democrats against agenda 21 is the left and boy is this lady smart, the first lefty I respect.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:15pm

      I might have to ask the question “Do you support the 2nd amendment?” first.

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    • MAJ Ron Peery
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:27pm

      Correction: If you want to see REAL gun control, go watch the SEALS train

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:11pm

    News flash, violent crime is far lower in regions that follow the 2nd amendment.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:01pm

      Follow the example of the residents of Stone Mountain, Georgia. After the Oak Park, Illinois banning of weapons by private individual, the patriots of Stone Mountain instituted a mandate that ALL residents were to own a firearm of some sort. Strangely enough, the violent crime rate in that little town dropped SIXTY FIVE PERCENT virtually overnight!

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  • Texas Sheepdog
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:11pm

    Ah, Hypocrisy on Parade!
    Bashir and his ilk come to America to make the Big Bucks, and then look down their arrogant noses at the nation that provides that opportunity. If Britain is so wonderful, why didn’t he stay there? No one here would miss him.
    As for the little “anchorette”, she probably dreams of being the next Diane Sawyer. But she‘s already demonstrated that she’s just another bobble-head doll, decorating the set with her presence and swearing to the lies of her handlers.
    If there is a lack of intelligence in America, it was primarily in that Studio!

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  • Lordchamp
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:10pm

    We’ll soon see how “good” and “intelligent” the Euro/UK gun bans are when they are being overrun in their homes and the police are no where to be found. Even Canada has removed some of it’s gun restrictions of late.

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  • korbin
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:10pm

    They don’t know the half of it. The fact remains that the US is still a constitutional republic and the 2nd amendment is still upheld even through all the secret and not so secret gun control. I swear to my Lord Jesus they will have to kill me to get mine. This is one of my families favorite things to do, is go to range and train train train, tactical warfare to be prepared to defend our freedom. Ps. please visit democratsagainstagenda21 please please. they are trying to umbrella us under the UN. also if britons health care is go great why do they all have austin powers teeth, thats funny.

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    • bernbart
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:35pm

      I’ve seen those training videos the right wing militias put out. Just a bunch of over weight loosers who could not strategize their way out of a paper bag.

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    • 4GODUSAANDISRAEL
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:56pm

      said the pot to the kettle while trying to figure out how to find his way out of his cheetos bag.

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  • NILAP
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:10pm

    Alex Wagner was one of the MSNBC contributors blaming the Anthony Weiner allegations when they first came out on Breitbart. She makes things up all the time.

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    • Locked
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:13pm

      I’m curious what you meant by this. Brietbart was the one who made the allegations and broke the scandal; a user found the picture and sent it to him, and he posted it on his website, BigJournalism. Perhaps you meant to say that she accused him of making it up, but it turned out to be true?

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    • NILAP
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:26pm

      Locked – you are right. She was accusing Breitbart of making up the story. It was Wagner and the guy with the glasses that often co-hosts for Rachel Maddow that were making the accusations.

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    • Cameraman
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:52pm

      To BurnBrain: So you know about the Militias? Right!!!!! You Commies Losers !!! Half of the Militias are Vets, with Combat Experience..Training other People…Don”t Let the Grey Hair and Pot Bellies fool you, we can still Shoot straight, and know our War Craft…Come Git It!!! Semper Fi

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    • George Patton
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:49pm

      @cameraman. I sadly think we will all be veterans one day.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:10pm

      CAMERAMAN: Yup, I‘m not 30 years old anymore but I haven’t forgotten a trick! Sadly, it will be the burnbottoms who will be screaming for us to provide protection from the masses of vermin they created. I can always use an extra body for digging latrines! That‘s all they’re good for!

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  • CCTXCN
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:09pm

    She is baffled because you can’t teach a Socialist to understand the Constitution!

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:09pm

    Just a room full of bozos, with the exception of one.

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  • I_am_a_53percenter
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:09pm

    Idiots! Just because you say it is so MSNBC doesn’t make it so. How about using facts instead of emotions to make an argument. Oh wait, that is what all liberals do when trying to debate…..

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  • Mandors
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:08pm

    They’re baffled by everything. Why should the Second Amendment be any different?

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  • THREE LEFTS
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:08pm

    All though I think the panel was lopsided to favor the dumb……it just showed that in our hast to be inclusive we allow the ignorant, non american to spew his non sense….

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  • garyM
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:07pm

    The GOP should pass legislation that if gun control takes place, they must take our bullets first before taking the guns!

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    • db321
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:22pm

      Alex Wagner your too late – I think the progressives are realizing the problem with an over throw of America – the Muslim takeover of the other Countries in the Middle East was a piece of cake – America is armed and this Administration is realizing that America is not going down without a fight. Holder tried to get guns from American with Fast and Furious – this is a mute point for this Administration at this point – so sorry for you – this administration is too busy trying to stay out of jail.

      And besides – your too stupid to relize we are doing to protect you.

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    • BCPATIOT
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:54pm

      Now that’s funny!! And agree with order of events…Hahahaha

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  • Drum Man
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:07pm

    They can’t have my guns, but they can have some hot lead out of them.

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  • GodFamilyFriends
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:06pm

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:13pm

      …and Georgwe Soros is financially supporting it. Lock and load my fellow Patriots.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:14pm

      The U.N. can pass whatever it wants…..THIS IS THE U.S. WE’RE A SOVERIEGN NATION WITH OUR OWN CONSTITUTION WRITTEN AND PROTECTED BY THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS.

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    • Marci
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:15pm

      I see Alex “shot herself in the foot” by the end of that conversation by citing felons getting guns. She doesn’t even recognize the irony. These people are either truly this stupid or they really are in favor of a dictatorship. The more intelligent side of the world by the way couldn’t defend themselves in riots with rubber bullets!!! These people refuse to understand the intent of the 2nd amendment and are perfectly okay with a one party rule and dictatorship because they are too stupid and self-important to realize that they will be slaves too. Useful idiots. Oh and GOD FAMILY…..they have been trying to sneak in that small arms treaty for a long time. We need to stay on this and put it out there, for two reasons, first, it cannot and should not happen of course, and secondly, to shine a bright light on Hillary lest that crazy woman becomes the goddess like replacement to help keep the progressive movement on track. (it could happen….)

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    • Docrow
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:19pm

      invest in lead

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    • JLGunner
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:40pm

      smith agreed but why are they building an addition onto the UN building in NY? Screw the UN, I will not be held prisoner by a blue helmet.

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    • BCPATIOT
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:00pm

      Hilarie crafted the language,din’t she?

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:04pm

      JL GUNNER: Dirtbags around the world have known for years that those little blue helmets just make a good target.

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  • AJAYW
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:05pm

    No, you don’t have to revist anything. You on the left want your way so we can’t stand up and protect this contry from the likes of you. Your remark that the gentlem to your left was smarter that the girl to your right shows that you think you are above the rest of us. You showed the world just how much of a bitch you are

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:15pm

      @MONICNE
      Gosh darn I did it again. Where were you, you were suposed to help me do better. I’ll let you slide this time. :-)

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  • libertytreecaretaker
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:05pm

    Who the hell keeps that network in business? Are they working off a bailout as well?

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    • sweetgold
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 2:10pm

      LIBERTY remember that 26 to 33 percent think Obama is free to do anything he wants to and they will agree with him (as they do daily). They are the hard core supporters of the Democratic Party and will never listen to reason or you or I.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:12pm

      I believe that Soros funds MSNBC….

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  • garyM
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:05pm

    The day they get your gun, you can kiss freedom goodbye. The dems would love to get them, that‘s why they have elected a man who is for gun control and it’s in their plan to enact the necessary legislation. If they ever come to get your gun, you may as well give it to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 5:20pm

      Most forward thinking gun owners have already figured this out and have either pre-positioned some weapons and ammo in hiding, or can hide their gear quickly……I’m seriously thinking of going the “Moisin-Nagant” route…cheap rifle with a good supply of ammo in a large diameter PVC pipe, a few packets of dessicant (absorbs moisture from the air) with the pipe sealed airtight, and buried where I can find it again….

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    • Rightallalong
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 8:38pm

      C. Also, I have stored ammo in food sealer bags. Vacuum packed ammo stays fresh for a long time. Thses should be stashed away from your weapon so that if one is discovered they do not get both. I also have enroute caches of ammo and food along my escape route. You CANNOT be too prepared.

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    • reform
      Posted on November 17, 2011 at 2:44am

      Well sorry to inform you but the house today past HR 822 and sent it to the Senate, what is this bill a concealed weapons permit supposedly conforming all states in a federal database. Now the sad thing is that it was passed with the majority of Republicans in favor and Democrats oppose. From my understanding the federal government will now have because of it amendments to the bill in their possession all registered gun owners, instead of leaving it a states rights issue. Well here we go again big brother must step in and have a federal database on all registered users why would the Republicans do this! And to add insult to injury the NRA is in agreement with this bill why? And to of the people running for the presidency Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul were a no vote. They say because there are so many different laws in each state on concealed carry is the primary reason for the bill. Personally I can’t understand why the federal government would want to get involved in a states right. Unless there is an alternative motive.

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  • One Man Progressive Wrecking Crew
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:03pm

    Yea OK, and when your in a prone position crying going to Obama’s Jackboot Homeland Security SS Street Thugs at your door screaming “don’t shoot” you’ll know why you liberal loon.

    Go ask the Brits what they think NOW about their right to own handguns being taken from them which THEY VOTED FOR and NOW REGRET!! These toothless Brits’ll explain: http://youtu.be/KCkr2psNvCs

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  • CatB
    Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:02pm

    Because .. idiots .. not all of us can afford to hire bodyguards who protect and carry for us. Bashir should go back to Britain … if it is so much better … I am soooo sick of MSDNC!

    TEA!

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 1:10pm

      @CatB

      I have to agree with you, they want to strip us of our rights to self defense and all that; look at what we would face in the riots that consumed London not long ago, and it would be backed by a fanatic and radical socialist government who would not hesitate to order the shooting down of citizens of the nation.

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    • firemanfrank
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 3:13pm

      I couldnt agree with you more. I live in a suburb in North Jersey.There has been over a dozen home break-ins within the last year. And at a popular family eatery had a shooting a few weeks ago. When police officers continue to be laid off and are sadly only on scene to make a police report where can a line be drawn on protecting ones family.The ignorance from these media morons is enough to turn my stomach. I do not have the luxury of living in a building with 24 hour security. Enforce the gun laws and start prosecuting the criminals who posess a firearm with tough penalties not a slap on the wrist. Why is this so hard to understand? And they compare Englands gun laws well that is all well and good considering its the size of New Jersey.

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    • mulou
      Posted on November 16, 2011 at 9:05pm

      I just got here- been busy all day. Just want to say who on the intelligent side of the earth needs a gun when it’s legal to stone gays and raped women to death? Only a stoner ! And you think that cave man actions are more intelligent?
      You need to go to that smart part of the world where they solved traffic jams and overcrowding by excluding women from being (equal)…

      America; Love it or leave it!

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