MSNBC‘s Lawrence O’Donnell Hasn’t Apologized for Disparaging Comments Against Pastor John Hagee & Evangelicals
- Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:18pm by
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National news networks have a penchant — or, at the least, a tendency — for mischaracterizing the words, motivations and actions of people of faith. Over the past few months, representatives for Pastor John Hagee, the leader of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, have been increasingly concerned and frustrated over MSNBC‘s Lawrence O’Donnell’s negative commentary (and his purported refusal to address his matter on-air insinuations).
Apparently, O’Donnell has taken to the airwaves and used what Ari Morgenstern, a spokesman for Hagee’s Christians United for Israel, calls “old and long-debunked stories concerning some of Pastor Hagee’s past comments.” These comments, the rep says, were put out in an effort to make Hagee look like an anti-Jewish and anti-Catholic bigot.
Pastor John Hagee
So, what are these inciting words, you ask? The Weekly Standard has done some reporting on some of the controversy surrounding O‘Donnell’s past words about Hagee:
“Because Rick Perry has invited Hagee to his prayer event, the idiotic governor of Texas now owns that Hagee quote,” O’Donnell said in reference to a sermon Hagee delivered more than a decade ago in which he explored the connection between the evils of the Holocaust and the notion that God is loving and omnipotent. “Rick Perry owns the idea that Hitler’s killing 6 million Jews was God’s idea,” O’Donnell continued.
The implication of O’Donnell’s words was clear: Hagee is an anti-Semite, a Jew hater—and Perry is guilty by association.
But the words that O’Donnell was referencing had already been contended with years before. Hagee, having purportedly never intended to hurt the Jewish community, had already clarified what he meant during the sermon in question. In fact, in response to an apology letter in 2008, the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman wrote the following to Hagee:
We are grateful that you have devoted your life to combating anti-Semitism and supporting the State of Israel. We wholeheartedly support your efforts to eradicate anti-Semitism, including its historic antecedents in the Christian community. We especially appreciate your extraordinary efforts to rally so many in the Christian community to stand with Israel.
The Standard went on to speak with Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor who insisted that Hagee is anything but an anti-Semite. “He loves the Jewish state and the Jewish people. From what I learned during those meetings [with Hagee], he is not an anti-Semite,” Wiesel told the outlet. “I have not heard him [say anything anti-Semitic]. Nobody has ever told me that.”
Below, watch comments from O‘Donnell’s August 5 show, during which he slams Hagee’s alleged views on Catholics (he, again, uses Hagee to say that Perry isn’t a viable presidential candidate). O’Donnell also goes on to call the pastor a “mega-church lunatic and hater“ and a ”vicious bigot”:
But the Catholic League didn’t agree with this assessment either. The following was written on the group’s web site recently:
Without being asked by either Perry or Hagee, Donohue addressed the media saying, “Let me set the record straight one more time: whatever issues I had with Pastor John Hagee were fully resolved once I received his May 12, 2008 letter expressing his ‘deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful.’ Three days later, thanks to the intervention of Deal Hudson, Hagee came to my office seeking reconciliation. He succeeded.”
Christians understand the meaning of forgiveness. What we despise are attempts to keep people from reconciling. Moreover, Catholics get especially exercised when those who have never shown one iota of interest in condemning anti-Catholicism all of a sudden begin denouncing it.
But O‘Donnell’s words didn’t just focus upon Hagee, Morgenstern says. In addition to slamming the pastor, the MSNBC host also went on to showcase some fundamental misunderstanding when it comes to non-denominational Christianity. This faith system, which relies upon Christian scriptures and is not generally regulated by a higher denominational structure, is typically referred to as “Bible-based.”
In making his comments (below), O’Donnell insulted millions of Americans without even realizing it — likely a result of his own failed understanding of how non-denominational Christianity works. He said:
“John Hagee is actually not a member of any religion. He has a church which would be better labeled a theater where he performs and his web site calls his performance art group ‘a non-denominational evangelical church.’ Religiously that means absolutely nothing. That means any fool like Hagee can get up on the stage in his theater and say any foolish thing, because there is no religious doctrine to be observed in Hagee’s theater…”
Hagee’s team obviously took offense to these words. “John Hagee is pastor to nearly 20,000 people in his church, and a spiritual leader for many thousands if not millions more around the globe,” Morgenstern explained. “Mr. O’Donnell’s attack on Pastor Hagee was simply beyond the pale.”
So, following these comments, Morgenstern reached out to NBC News Standards and Practices to ask for an apology. While Hagee’s team has sought an apology, they have been greeted by relative silence. Instead of addressing his comments, O’Donnell has offered his show up as a platform for Hagee to come on and discuss his distaste for what was said on the air.
Below, see part of the letter that Morgenstern sent to the network, explaining why he and Hagee refuse to go on O‘Donnell’s show:
…the last remaining point of contention associated with the August 5 the segment concerns O’Donnell’s comments denigrating Hagee’s faith. Specifically O’Donnell called Hagee a “fake” preacher. He asserted that “John Hagee is actually not a member of any religion.” And in reference to Hagee being the leader of a non-denominational Evangelical church, O’Donnell stated “religiously, that means absolutely nothing.
Accepting O’Donnell’s invitation would indicate that his disparagement of Hagee’s faith is worthy of debate. It is not. O’Donnell’s comments were repugnant and offensive. There are millions of non-denominational Evangelical Christians in America and around the world, and O’Donnell denigrated their faith because he does not like their politics. We will not dignify such bigotry with an appearance on the program.
Below, watch the MSNBC host publicly state the invitation this fall:
In late October, “The Last Word” blog admitted that Hagee had made up with both Catholics and Jews, but the show’s staff wrote, “Not everyone represented in those communities, however, have forgotten his words and forgiven him.” The piece concluded with an open invitation to the faith leader: “The invitation to discuss religion with Pastor Hagee remains an open one.”
When the Blaze reached out to a representative for “The Last Word,” the talking points present in the blog were repeated. “Lawrence has addressed this on his show. Pastor Hagee has an open invite to appear on ‘The Last Word,’” Lauren Skowronski wrote.
We responded, again asking for clarification on O‘Donnell’s controversial words about non-denominational evangelicals. After all, regardless of what was said about Hagee, the blanket statements O’Donnell made about non-denominational Christians were eyebrow-raising. We have not yet received a response.
A few weeks ago, Morgenstern’s attempts to settle the matter with the network came to a standstill, as MSNBC reportedly refused to issue an apology or further clarification. Commenting on the silence he’s received from the network, Morgenstern said that anti-Christian views are seemingly the last acceptable form of bigotry.
“I can’t speak to their mindset, but I hope MSNBC recognizes that their silence on this matter speaks volumes about their organization,” he said. “Honestly I can’t imagine why anyone, let alone a pundit associated with a national news network, would choose to attack the faith of millions of people.”
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KeystoneState
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:44amI would honestly have real respect for some of these cable news outlets if they’d just put the words “left-praising” in front of all their broadcasts.
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Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:36amWhat and give the Game Away?
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“Faith MSNBC‘s Lawrence O’Donnell Hasn’t Apologized for Disparaging Comments Against Pastor John Hagee & Evangelicals”
O’Donnell is about as important to the national narrative on issues as Forest Gump. The only way he can get any attention is to throw a bomb now and then.
He should be ignored and he would dry up and go away, like Air America.
Report Post »downthewell
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:14amGlenn Beck‘s The Blaze is trying to pressure Lawrence O’Donnell to apologize for calling out Pastor Hagee on Jew bashing, but what about Glenn’s bashing of a handicapped woman last July 29th? Where‘s Glenneth’s apology for his mean-spirited bullying of an unfortunate woman on the national air waves?
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JRook
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:56amOr it is possible that it as simple as O’Donnell owns up to and stands behind what he says and Hagee does not.
Report Post »landman1
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:11amO’Donnell bashs Hagee? Larry is about as relevant as what I wiped off of my shoe sole. His entire tv audience is probably smaller than Hagees church membership. Look, this clown has been moved around in the MSNBC lineup more than a minor league utility infielder. He has been at every time slot there is and can’t make it. Heck he’s been pushed out for Olbermann. That fat putz,Ed Shulz. The right hand of God, Al Sharpton. And plays third fiddle to their star, the vision of femeninity, Maddow. He has no where else to go. They cannot find a slot that he can fill. He’ll be a star on Current next.
Go get‘um O’Donnell. Arrogance personified!!
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:05pmI think the last thing they want right now is the for the religious right to unify behind a common cause. One of the ways to combat this is to pick fights between jews and christians, protestants and catholics, etc. We have to rise above this and stand together or we’re going to fail.
Report Post »whywonder
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:11pmHagee along with the evangelicals have a thin skin.
Report Post »Why do they need an apology?
Pujols
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:53pmI pray for this man every day. He is a lost soul right now.
Report Post »Light_V_Dark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:43am**** and Leather,
Evil people ATTACK AND MURDER GOOD PEOPLE…AND, you both are INCAPABLE OF FEELING EMPATHY-SYMPATHY FOR THE INNOCENT. RATHER, you will defend EVIL to your DEATH.
Proud Atheists, Alkies, Druggies, Leftists, Jihadists, HIPPIES, FEMARXISTS, Bulemics, Lily Livered Libertarians, Pseudo Christian Possyfists, Fatties, FLEABAGGERS, COLOSTOMYBAGGERS, SCUZZBAGGERS SCHIZOPHRENICS, BORDERLINE PERSONALITIES, HISTRIONIC PERSONALITIES, ANTI-WAR COWARDS, ALL OTHER ADDICTS, FEEBS, Glo-Ball-Warmists, Food-O-Phobes, Tobaccophobes, and OTHER LOSERS, GENERALLY DIE BEFORE THEIR TIME, AFTER LIVING HATEFUL AND MISERABLE LIVES.
http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?209-PROUD-ATHEISM-is-a-Mental-Physical-Emotional-and-SPIRITUAL-DIS-EASE..
Report Post »Light_V_Dark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:45amIt was supposed to be addressed to J*ZZ and Leather…
Report Post »db321
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:02amNice comment – you pretty much covered it all – you might have left out Fleabaggers.
Report Post »1casawizard
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:04amHow do you know LIGHT_VDARK?
Report Post »Mrs. Bowers
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:37amJesus said,” in the last days that these things shall happen.” No sense worrying about what this one man is saying. He’s coming across as being a hater or God and all christians. I feel sorry for him, and will be praying for his salvation. For when a man picks a fight with a man of God he is no longer fighting with a mere man. He is choosing to box with God and trust me, the man is not going to win.
Report Post »He needs our prayers!
db321
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:18amI’ll pray for him, but I would like to see Hagee take him up on the offer to go on his show – Hagee would chew O’Donnell up and spit him out.
Report Post »SilentFlame
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:25amWell said, praying for him would be the Christian thing to do. We need not be concerned with what is said by these people because they are in the dark. Pray they see the light someday.
Report Post »wisconsin1
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:06amMrs. Bowers, I couldn’t agree with you more. O’Donnell is clearly boxing with God. I have heard his venomous, anti religious remarks before. I seriously consider him a bigot.
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:12am@DB321 Have you NOT listened to Hagee’s comments about Jews, the Catholic Church and the Holocaust? Quotes (paraphasing) (1) “The jews had it coming and god sent Hitler to rout them from under their rocks” (2) The Catholic Church is a whore! (3) The jews had the Holocaust coming!”
What a guy! Oh, and maybe you might wonder WHY did John McCain REFUSE Hagee’s endorsement during the last election cycle??
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:14amI pity O’Donnell.. God forgive you!
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:17amABBT – We Athiests DO NOT believe that ANY god would deliver the kind of atrocities as Hagee preaches – and boasts about – to be visited on this world. Well, maybe I should take that back. Obviously YOURS would!!
Report Post »True American66
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:53pm@Abbeygirl1994…It must be an awful existence to be so full of hate and cynicism as Larry O is; I don‘t think that all of the prayers in the world can help someone who doesn’t want to experience true love of their fellow man. Hate begets hate and Larry O and his “followers” will never experience true love.
@veryseniorcitizen…it must have been a very long life unfufilled. To never experience what it means to truly love….being that you are getting so close to the end, how do you reconcile the emptiness and void that you must have with WHY that void exists?
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:18pm@ TRUEAMERICAN66 Oh, that millions more folks could have had the wonderful life I’ve had. See, the mere fact that I’m NOT stifled by the hypocracy required to reject one religion over another – that therefore belittling some of some folks over others, I’ve been able to concentrate on “Loving my neighbor”, “being my brothers/sisters keeper”, REALLY believing that “ALL men and women – no matter their race color or creed – ARE created equal”, the awsomness of Mother Nature and Father Time. See, TRUEAMERICAN, I honor and respect the great open sky, the mountains, the forests, the green fields, the cities, towns, villages, the streams, rivers, lakes and oceans – and EVERY living thing in and on this planet. I have lived a full and wonderful life, and I will leave this old world having touched a few folks and having been touched by many.
When I read many of these posts I look back to Genn Beck’s speech at the Values Voter Summit, where he proclaimed that there should be ‘Malice towards none’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/with-malice-toward-none-beck-calls-for-individual-responsibility-to-solve-collective-problems-at-values-voter-summit/ yet he promotes exactly the opposite tendency on this newspaper. Sad! Truly SAD!
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:11amAsk a local what they think of Hagee and his church.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:21amWhy?
Report Post »drago
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 7:35am@bbl aka encinom.
Report Post »Clarify your statement, wait, nevermind, you cant put the crack pipe down long enough…..
Gonzo
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:01amA local believer or a local non believer? I suspect there would be more than one opinion among the “locals”.
Report Post »downthewell
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:48amMillonaire Pastor… John Hagee became a multimillionaire but what did he produce? Just like Joel Osteen, these Amyway-style evangelicals who make a business out of selling JAISUS!!! really need to have their sincerity questioned. A lot of people smell a rat with these types.
Report Post »SEPARATENOW
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:56pmI‘m an atheist and I’ll defend Pastor Hagee’s right to run his church anyway he sees fit within the law to the death. Similarly, I‘ll defend O’Donnell’s right to say stupid, irresponsible things under the First Amendment.
Personally, I’d sooner be with Pastor Hagee any day of the week including Sunday.
Report Post »BonnieBlueFlag
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:57pm@DownTheWell
You nailed it. Texas is extremely Christian and yet an overwhelming majority of church-going San Antonians do not attend Hagee’s Hill Country Crystal Palace.
He’s not very bright and he does not study the Bible, he studies his own reflection and bank statements. I could lay his hypocrisy bare for all to see with actual accounts, but I don‘t think that would help Christendom so I won’t.
All I will say is that I doubt Hagee gives a lot of sermons about the Pharisees. If he does, he is even less intelligent than I thought.
Report Post »Charley1
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 5:42pmI am a “local’ . I’ve been in his house, up in the Dominion. Ask me about the leather chair in his study, with the American flag pattern. I don’t care who you are, you don’t sit on MY flag.
Report Post »Ask any oldtimer here in SA about the affair he had with the wife of one of his deacons, when he was preaching at a church in Castle Hills, right by Loop 410. Guess that was almost 35 years ago….I‘m pretty sure she’s his current wife now.
In my opinion, he’s in it for Hagee.
Light_V_Dark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:09amAtheists and Jihadists, LOATHE Believers, God, Goodness, Truth, Life, THE INDIVIDUAL, FREEDOM, THEMSELVES, INNOCENSE….LIGHT!
Pseudo Christian P*ssyfists FORGIVE only EVIL..NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT THEY DO!
http://niv.scripturetext.com/2_corinthians/6.htm
Do Not Be Yoked With Unbelievers
14DO NOT BE YOKED TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERES . For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can LIGHT have with DARKNESS? 15What harmony is there between CHRIST and Belial(SATAN)?
17“Therefore COME OUT FROM THEM AND BE SEPARATE, says the Lord.
TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING, and I will receive you.” (some emphasis from beginning)
http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?209-PROUD-ATHEISM-is-a-Mental-Physical-Emotional-and-SPIRITUAL-DIS-EASE..
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:57pmDon’t you just love it when a putz like larwance makes an issue out of people with little,to know power and ignores the
Report Post »Ike Obama and Eric holder, Herry Reid, nancy pelosie and on and on who repeatedly abuse power
ariel33
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:23amDon’t underestimate the money, power, and influence of John Hagee
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:23amDon’t forget, Newt, Mitt, Michele, Rick (both of them), Ron, etc. EXACTLY what would this country look like as a Plutocracy? Please, be specific!
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:31amsirhansatan loves Isa NOT the TRUE CHRIST-
Jesus forewarned His believers that “many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” who would even “perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible” (see Matthew 24:11,24). The Apostle Paul calls them “counterfeit miracles” or “lying wonders” in his epistle to the believers in Thessalonica (2 Thess 2:9) whereby many would be deceived. Not just a few, but a large number of people would be lead down a road of serious theological error by the false teachings, false signs and false miracles of false prophets. Have you wondered why Islam teaches that the Qur’an itself is a ‘living miracle’? Or why it is taught that Mohammed’s war victories and his ascent into Heaven during the ‘Night Journey‘ were ‘great signs’? Questioning these ‘great signs and miracles’ and viewing them through the lens of critical thinking is paramount to questioning the ‘Word of Allah’ in the minds of Muslims, and the history of Islam has been one of “anti-intellectualism” where Muslims are discouraged from asking difficult questions about Mohammed or about the Qur’an and its teachings. Why?
Your response?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:36amsirhansatan- you state that theBible is corrupted…
The Bible and the Qur’an — Which is More Reliable? boyee
Archaeological discoveries have time and time again confirmed what Christians have already believed, that Biblical manuscripts and fragments dated even hundreds of years before Mohammed are virtually identical to the canonized Biblical texts we have today. The same cannot be said for the Qur’an, however, where even Muslim archaeologists acknowledge that many aberrations exist in old Qur’anic texts, a forthright admission that runs counter to the Islamic claim that the Qur’an is unchanged and eternal. Contrary to the claims of Muslim apologists, not only does the Qur’an distort and incorrectly define some very basic Christian doctrines, it is also at odds with factual and observable science by presenting a flat earth model for the earth and universe, for instance. Moreover, when Muhammad recited the Qur’an, he clearly stated that he did not believe that the Bible was corrupt at that time and called on Christians to adhere to the Scriptures that they possessed. But this begs the question: Since the Scriptures we have today are the same Scriptures that Christians had even well before the time of Mohammed, when do you believe the Bible became corrupted, who corrupted it, and how was it corrupted?
your response?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:45amhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2011.htm
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 12:00pmIn the Old Testament, before Jesus came as a child into this world, He appeared before His people as the “Angel of the Lord“. He revealed Himself in the burning bush that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai. He appeared before Joshua as the Commander of the Hosts of Heaven. And in the New Testament He is the eternal “Word of God”, called the “unique son of God”, because He is God in the flesh and there is no one else like Him.
John 1:1,14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten [monogenēs] of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:53pmMr Hagee is anti-Semitic against the Arabs living in Palestine. In my book that makes him an anti-Semite!
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:21amAnd that makes you ignorant!
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:34am@ RATIONAL MAN- Why, because I call it like I see it? Why don’t you enlighten me instead of doing what Christians do best…name calling!
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:35amMr sirhansirhan is anti-Semitic against the Christians and Jews living everywhere. In my book that makes him an anti-Christ!
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Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:43am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- I love Christ and every Christian that loves me. The Holy Qur’an says: Among the Christians and Jews some of them are good. You can’t be anti-Semitic against people that are not Semites. What does the Bible say about Muslims?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:46amsirhan-
If the perfect unchanged Qur’an is the Arabic version, does it list Ibrahim as recieving Gods covenant or does the Arabic (origional) version list only Isaac and Jacob in Quran 29:27?
Yes or no?
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Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:55am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- Your question is not a yes or no response. The Qur’an says that Ishmael and Isaac were men of God. They worshiped the God of Ibrahim.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:57amsirhan-
Believe it or not I am also a peacefull man, if your so kind to Christians why do you lash out a Christians, Christian women, Christian countries etc every chance you get on the blaze? you seem to send a mixed message here…. Why do you feel obligated to talk smack to the 99% of folks on the blaze? Yes, I do lash out at you Ill admit it. You challenged me when you lashed out at a blazer that stated she thought Islam may be the religion of the antichrist and you asked me to prove it. All you respond with to my challenges are
-quotes from the Quran
-semantics about spelling or interpitations
-a strange brew of misleading statements
Did muhamad have sex with little girls?
Do you even comprehend why most westerners fail to worship such an arcane idiology as Islam?
Dang
Report Post »db321
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:59amSurhanSurhan – You’re speaking out of your butt.
(Anti-Semitism or Anti-Simite) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish Faith. Hagee has done more for the Jewish People and Isreal than any other Man in America – I assure you he is not an Anti-Simite.
Now let me put you set you straight and I’ll try to relate to to you on your 4th grade education level – the Worlds best know Anti-Semite is Hitler. Since you are so hell bent on seeing Palestine destroy Israel then that would put you in the company of Hitler and Mohammed.
Numbers 24:9 – The Bible refers to Israel whom God gave to the Jews – Blessed are those who bless you, and cursed are those who curse you.” Translation – what you do to the the Jewish people and Israel – God will do to you.
SurhanSurhan – So are you going to choose to be blessed or cursed by God. Your choice, but if you make the wrong choice you’ll spend eternity in the lake of fire.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:09amFair enough
‘The Qur’an says that Ishmael and Isaac were men of God. They worshiped the God of Ibrahim.’
I agree
The Torah says that Ishmael and Isaac were men of God. They worshiped the God of Ibrahim.’
I agree
The Trah also states:
GENESIS 17:21 (You know, the NEXT verse AFTER the one you quoted earlier):
‘But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.’
Does the Quran claim Muhammad to be a decendent of Isaac? Y / N
YES OR NO? ( this is a yes or no question sirhan)
THIS IS ALSO A YES OR NO QUESTION SIRHAN:
If the perfect unchanged Qur’an is the Arabic version, does it list Ibrahim as recieving Gods covenant or does the Arabic (origional) version list only Isaac and Jacob in Quran 29:27? Y / N
Yes or no?
HERE iLL HELP YOU:
Question
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:12am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- It‘s hard to have a conversation with you because you can’t stay focused. You ask too many Questions at once and the answers aren’t as simple as you might think they will be. Your question about the Prophet and sex with a girl is a legitimate question. No matter what answer I give you you will not be satisfied with it. I will answer your question like this. The only time I have seen anything written about the Prophet and sex with a girl is from people that hate the prophet. In Islamic teachings about the Prophet there is no mention of anything like that.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:14amNo, because you are uninformed. Another word for ignorant. Your statement is not true, therefore you are making an uninformed/ignorant statement. Which means you are ignorant to the subject at hand. You cannot prove your statement is true. Because it’s not!
Report Post »Don’t be so offended. I am assuming that you are ignorant instead of being an out and out liar. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt! Was I wrong in doing so?
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:27amOTHER RECENT QUOTES FROM OUR FRIEND SIRHAN:
“Hitler was a christian”
“Jesus was a Muslim”
“before Israel was Israel, it was called Palestine.” (he forgot about that whole Caanan place)
“Before Christianity was even heard of, the religion that of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob was Islam. But it was not called Islam until the Qur’an had been written.”
Wow, Mr smartypants is showing his true colors!
Are you serious sirhan?
I’m starting to think your a plant by the blazers to make your kind look like lying decietfull idiots!
Dont you see that the very definition of the antichrist is someone who professes love for Jesus Christ and then turns around and denies his doctrines?
Are you really serious that you think Jesus just didnt know he was a muslim?
The God of Christianity and the God of Islam are not the same. First of all, the God of Christianity is a Trinity where the God of Islam is not. The Trinity is the monotheistic teaching that God exists eternally as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In Islam, this is blatantly denied.
I have offered evidence with no logical retort repeatedly sirhan. can you answer the two questions or not?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:29am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- The word covenant is not mentioned in the Qur’an. So the simple answer to your question is no. But that does not answer the question. The prophet is a descendant of Ibrahim through his son Ismael. God sent the Messiah to the world through Issac. He sent the Prophet to world through Ishmael.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:39am@ DB321- You’re such a doofus: No, not all Semites are Jews, and not all Jews are Semites (will explain below.)
Semitic speakers are the bigger group, it constitutes of Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic and Ethiopic speakers.
Ethnic/genetic/biblical Semites is a smaller group, by biblical accounts and DNA it constitutes: The majority of the Bedouins and Yemenis are Semites, more than half of the Syrians and Iraqis are Semites. More than a third of the Israelis are Semites the rest are Jewish people. (You can convert to become a Jew plus Jewishness is passed by the mom so you can have a Black or Chinese father and still be a Jew, in Semitic and biblical laws you are no longer part of the tribe or Beni-Israel once you have a Goyim father.)
In Ethiopia only the Semitic speaking Amhara, Tigray and Tigrinya are about 30% Semitic. The Ethiopian Jews are limited to partial maternal Semitic lineage because they were female slaves exiled from ancient Yemen during the Ethiopian invasion.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:51amhttp://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:19amsirhan- You state:
“The word covenant is not mentioned in the Qur’an. So the simple answer to your question is no. But that does not answer the question. The prophet is a descendant of Ibrahim through his son Ismael. God sent the Messiah to the world through Issac. He sent the Prophet to world through Ishmael.”
So the Quran and Muhammad claim that he is a prophet! I agree.
Why would anyone add Ibrahim to the origional Aribic text?
Do you agree that the text has been changed?
So is the perfect work the Arabic version of the Quran Or the one that includes ibrahim?
More semantics here sirhan…. true or fals questions here….Im trying to keep it simple really.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:33amYou mean Ismael the reject?
Report Post »God made Ismael a great nation just like He promised.
But what have they made of it?
Ismaelites have never let go of the bitterness and jealousy.
It’s eaten them up and they are still a backward people living in the stone age.
They are filled with hatred and violence, except those who except Jesus as their Savior and turn away from Islam forever. They only know peace and joy.
They have escaped your trap forever!
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:36amSirhan states:
“The PROPHET is a descendant of Ibrahim through his son Ismael. God sent the MESSIAH to the world through Issac. He sent the PROPHET to world through Ishmael.”
The bible refers to the antichrist as a “false prophet”
‘By the beast, then, coming up out of the earth, he means the kingdom of Antichrist; and by the two horns he means him and the FALSE PROPHET after him. And in speaking of “the horns being like a lamb,” he means that he will make himself like the Son of God, and set himself forward as king. And the terms, “he spake like a dragon,” mean that he is a deceiver, and not truthful.’
Islam refers to the antichrist as “the decieving MESSIAH”
Masih Ad-Dajjal (Arabic: الدّجّال, literally “The Deceiving MESIAH”), is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology. He is to appear pretending to be God at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (The Day of Resurrection, Judgment Day). He will travel around the globe entering every city except Mecca and Medina obliging people to believe in him as a God. Then Isa (Jesus) will descend from the sky to the White lighthouse in eastern Damascus, Syria, placing his hands on the backs of two angels at the time of Fajr. This will happen at the time of the Dajjal and Isa will be the one to eventually defeat the Dajjal, killing him with his spear.
in conclusion, sirhan you can pick apart the words all you want but you have been mesured and found wanting. :]
Report Post »jaxson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:50amGen.15 ( the Lord God speaking to satan) and I will put emnity(deep hate) between you and the woman(israel) and between your(satans) seed and her(Israel) seed. it shall bruise your(satans) head and you shall bruise his(Jesus) heel…Psalm 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend in whom i trusted, which did eat of my bread, has lifted up his heel against me…..John 6: 70, 71Judas Iscariot/whom satan entered…(and who Islam put on the cross instead of Christ.)..John 8 37. I know that you are Abrahams seed, but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father, and you do that which you have seen with your father. 44.Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. he was a murderer from the begining and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it….47 He that is of God heareth Gods words, ye therefore here them not because ye are not of God……
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:02amYour comment is nonsensical.
Report Post »Light_V_Dark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:23amSurhan,
Islam is EEEEVVVVIIIILLL. Not quite as evil as Proud Atheism, but JUST AS EVIL AS IT CAN BE.
Mass Hysteria in Islam http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/12.htm
Thousands of Muslims marched to the church in Alexandria after Friday noon prayers at the local mosques, stabbed a nun to complain over a play that showed the abuse suffered by Christians converting to Islam.
It’s NOT ONLY OK TO DETEST EVIL, IT’S YOUR DUTY TO YOUR COUNTRY, YOUR FAMILY AND TO GOD.
16 “‘If anyone strikes someone a fatal blow with an iron object, that person is a murderer; the murderer is to be put to death. 17 Or if anyone is holding a stone and strikes someone a fatal blow with it, that person is a murderer; the murderer is to be put to death.
The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when they meet.
http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?202-Hate-Evil-Murderers-And-Kill-Them.-OR-You-Will-Join-Them-In-Hell...
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:48amSS licking the sole of Hagee’s shoe like a dog.
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:21amsirhansatan- you state
“God sent the Messiah to the world through Issac. He sent the Prophet to world through Ishmael.”
Can you prove This using the Torah? Without quoting the satanic verses of the quran?
How can you justify quoting the Bible and then deny the basic doctrines of Judaism and Christianity?
Wouldnt the antichrist use this same method?
You state that the word covenant is not used in the quran, and you appear to be offended when I mention the covenant, the reason is obvious sirhansatan!
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:29amsirhansatan- oh your love for Christians is unending I can tell! You love talking about Jesus so here goes:
The Jesus of the Qur’an, or the Jesus of the Bible — which is correct? The Islamic Jesus (Isa) is viewed as nothing more than an “apostle of Allah”, a mere man whose virgin birth, life and death had no real significance other than to simply be a slave and messenger for the god of Islam. The Messianic-Christian Jesus (Yeshua), a Jew from Nazareth, is viewed as the fulfillment of ancient Jewish Messianic prophecies, as the eternal Word of God manifested in the flesh who came into the world as the Lamb of God to be the final sacrifice for sin, the only way of salvation and fulfillment of the Law. We don’t need to perform detailed comparisons before we begin to realize that the Jesus of the Qur’an is not the same Jesus of the Bible. Although two opposing views can both be wrong, two opposing views cannot both be right.
Your response?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:33amAs Christians, We have been forewarned against satans seed and people like sirhansatan by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:4 against accepting the teachings of those who “preach another Jesus” or “another gospel” than that which we have already been given by the Apostles of Biblical Scripture. Whether it be the Jesus and teachings of Mormonism, or the Jesus and teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses, or the Jesus and teachings of Islam, they all fall well short of the Jesus and teachings of the historic Christian faith that was delivered to the saints. In fact, if anyone “or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:8). Yet according to Islam, the angel “Gabriel” gave another gospel to Mohammed which, instead of rejecting, he decided to accept.
Your response?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:35amsirhansatan-
The teachings and commands in the Qur’an and the Hadith are diametrically opposed to the teachings and commands of the Biblical Jesus. In Matthew 5:44-45b Jesus says, “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven …”. Does the Jesus of the Qur’an also teach this? Does even Mohammed — the ‘prophet’ of Islam — teach anywhere in the Qur’an or Hadith to love and pray for one’s enemies? To the contrary, the Qur’an teaches that Muslims must war against non-Muslims. That Muslims are not even permitted to befriend Jews and Christians. The Hadith teaches that Jews and Christians can and will be forced to submit to Islam, or one day experience mass slaughter for the glory of Allah if they refuse. It is no coincidence therefore that Jesus also forewarned us that “the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God” (John 16:2b). Christians are being persecuted and killed by Muslims in increasing measure today in the name of Allah, yet even despite this many Christians still choose to respond to their Muslim aggressors with forgiveness. WHY?
your response?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:38amThe Son of God – What Does It Mean?
The Qur’an teaches that, according to Christianity, God acquired a son through procreation with Mary. In the eyes of Muslims, the term “son of God” is believed to be, and is therefore understood, in a literal sense. But this misrepresentation is so far from the basic tenets of Christianity that any serious student of the Qur’an should begin questioning the veracity of some of the teachings of Islam on this error alone. The term “son of God” in the Bible is an anthropomorphism and is intended to be understood in a figurative sense, not in a wooden literal sense. It is a metaphor to describe a relational identity. In John 3:16, Jesus is called the only “begotten” son of God (the Greek word monogenēs) which means “unique” or “one of a kind” or “one and only”. As Christians, we are all called God’s children (Matthew 5:9; Romans 8:16; Galatians 3:6; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5, etc.). But this term is an analogy to describe our relationship to our Heavenly Father. We are not literal “sons” and “daughters”. Even the angels are called “sons of God” in the Bible (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). But Jesus is called the only “unique” son of God in Scripture for a very good reason. In the Old Testament, before Jesus came as a child into this world, He appeared before His people as the “Angel of the Lord“. He revealed Himself in the burning bush that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai. He appeared bef
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:52amIslam’s Latest Contributions to Peace
“Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29
2011.12.10 (Landikotal, Pakistan) – Religious extremists tear down two Sufi shrines and murder an elderly caretaker.
Report Post »2011.12.10 (Jos, Nigeria) – Islamists bomb an outdoor bar showing a soccer match on TV, killing at least one fan.
2011.12.10 (Sham, Pakistan) – Terrorists take down a child and injure three women with a landmine.
2011.12.10 (Kunduz, Afghanistan) – Islamists attach a bomb to a bicycle that manages to kill two innocents.
2011.12.10 (Khakrez, Afghanistan) – Sunni bombers murder three civilians riding a taxi.
2011.12.09 (Karachi, Pakistan) – A 45-year-old Shia man is gunned down in his own home by Wahhabis.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 11:56amsirhansatan- If you say
“I know more about your Bible and Christianity than you will ever know. What you know about Islam couldn’t fill a thimble. ”
Why cant you answer the basic question?:
Why would God share the progeny Prophethood and Revelation of Isaac and Jacob with the sworn enemys of Isaac and Jacob?
Here’s the answer sirhan- GOD DOES NOT SHARE THE PROGENY, PROPHETHOOD OR REVALATION OF ISAAC AND JACOB WITH THIER SWORN ENEMYS, THE ARABS.
anyone that denys this is an idiot, plain and simple!
Report Post »Woodenteeth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:50pmAs in O‘Donnell’s case-
Only see extreme’s and “ANY” attention is better than no attention. He‘s a complete shock jock that keep’s getting nearer and nearer to sliding off the media radar.
Anybody who gives anything he says any credit shouldn’t be voting!
Report Post »FREDD The WILSON
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:01amO’Donnell, Schultz Matthews etc, need to keep their names out there or they would simply vanish. So they say these outlandish comments, let it ride for a day or two and then apologize Since they are all liberal they always will get a pass.
Report Post »geonj
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:50pmo’donnell is desparate to become relevent to the leftist loons. too bad he has no real worth in the public discourse. he is a hater and that is all.
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:42pmYes Lawrence, that was certainly a gracious invitation. Pastor Hagee should not throw his pearls before swine.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:05amO’Donnel is over the top I agree. I don’t watch him on youtube, my only source. But apologize for taking quotes from a person and then saying what you think they mean? Like Glenn and Rush don’t do that? Seriously? Apologize for something that right wing radio does for a living?
Anyway, the guy issued explicit apologies to catholics and jews for saying they caused the Holocaust or killed Christ or whatever until he realized not everybody likes that message. But here are a few Hagee quotes for you, and let’s see who needs to apologize!
- “Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist.” – Pastor John Hagee in his book What Every Man Wants in a Woman (Charisma House, 2005)
- “I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” – Pastor John Hagee in a sermon
“Only a Spirit-filled woman can submit to her husband’s lead. It is the natural desire of a woman to lead through feminine manipulation of the man…Fallen women will try to dominate the marriage. The man has the God-given role to be the loving leader of the home.”
- Pastor John Hagee in his book What Every Man Wants in a Woman (Charisma House, 2005)
Love the guy if you want, but he is worthy of ridicule for his words. Without apology.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:14am@ JZS- And he is an anti-Semite!
Report Post »amerbur
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:33amJZS. Just because “the right wing”, according to you, takes comments out of context, is not an excuse for dear Lawrence to do the same. One is either honest, thorough and accurate or he is not. If one errors, he should appolgize. Lawrences original statements, which promptled an apology to Hagee, required an apology. His ignorance regarding the Pastor was already obvious. Pastor Hagee has been the leader of Christians United for Israel for many years. He has risked his life and much more to support the Jewish People and Israel. He has a great love for the Jewish People. Now. I find the Jokesm sited by you, to be quite entertaining. One has to work hard to be affended by them. Pastor Hagee speaks the truth that the man is supposed to be the Spiritural Leader in a Christian home. You may not like it, but based on your commements, you lack understanding of what that means. Lastly, God is the maker of Heaven and Earth. He has the power to allow or not allow Hurricanes or anything else that happens in this world. I did not hear the messege regarding New Orleans so I will not comment. I am quite sure you did not hear the discussion either.
Report Post »notforreal
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:41pmWhat is it with these liberals with their virulent hatred of their opponents, hatred of religion, and venomous spite towards anyone who disagrees with their socialists goals? They are the most Hypocritical creatures alive as they call Republicans ‘haters’, racists, and dividers. Yet they are so understanding, inclusive, and intelligent. Hug a liberal today! Not really.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:03amDemons are repelled by the Holy Spirit.
Report Post »drhunt
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:40pmAfter Nov 2012, O’Donnell will be even more irrelevant than he is currently, (if that’s possible).
Report Post »Deckle
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:39pmOne day he will have to answer to the LORD and all of those he made fun of will be in the cloud of withnesses. We need no apology, just forgiveness because GOD takes care of the justice. It is really sad that in order to keep his job he has to act like this. I am so thankful that GOD always graciouly provides for me so that I don’t have to work in that environment.
Report Post »WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:41pmGeeze I had to look at a picture, had no idea who he was.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:48pmI am going to pray for Lawrence O’Donnell
He’s a lost soul.
ROCK ON MERCURY!!!!!
Report Post »Zeke48
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:36pmO’Donnell is one of the clowns from MSLSD along with the village idiot Sharpton. Can you even understand why they woul put people like that on their panel. And that’s their line up. What are they so proud of. I think it takes all week of viewers to add up to one night of FOX on ratings. How bad can a network get. At 11 or 12 PM they roll up the sidewalks like a town in the back woods with a population of 1500, and they show prison movies, or how to catch a pervert. And they call themselves the Politics Natio, what balls.That other doppy broad Maddag, man is she a man or what. I don’t see all that well but she sure reminds me of a man. Just wondering.I think she thinks she’s a man.
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:35pmI watched Larry’s first show to see what he was about. He said in the first minute of the show that he wanted to be clear, I’m not a liberal, I’m a socialist. He wanted it to be clear that the angle he viiewed things was thru that prism. I immediately turned the piece of of crap show off and haven’t seen it since. I’m shocked anybody even saw that show. I heard his viewing numbers were in the minus colunm. :-}
Report Post »fancydancy
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:34pmBe tolerant and forgive…seemingly only goes ONE way with some of these folks. Mr. Hagee knows more about the Bible than this fella does in how to keep his audience. The thousands who attend Mr. Hagee’s audience may just quit watching and the network would do well to relieve him of his duties if they want viewers. These TV people who want to be famous and loved know little about being honest, respectful, or admirable to their fellow man. My mamma used to say to treat others the way you want to be treated. Wonder what he really wants?
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:33pmYet he ignores the people and groups who openly state they hate the jews and want to kill them all or wipe them off the map ?
Report Post »notforreal
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:49pm@Scott
Report Post »Great point Scott. He uses the Jews to take a swipe at religion in general, but ignores groups or countries that threaten the Jewish people.
BlessedONE333
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:33pmTYPICAL liberal jackass
bashing REAL Christians when they tell the truth
but then irrationally thinking they can have an audience with that same person!
wow – no wonder the nation is in the toilet with ranting loons like this guy on a ‘news’ show
Report Post »WiseAZ
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:32pmLawrence O’Donnell has the personality of a wet paper towel… and probably just as many brain cells. The guy has what… like 5 viewers?
Report Post »AMERICA4EVER
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:29pmDoes anyone really listen to MSNBPEE?
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:27pmPoor Lawrence; a lost sinner without a saviour. His choice and a sad one. Pastor Hagee is a cool guy; I have enjoyed speaking with him over the years on my little radio stations and he will not be put out by this wuss from MSNBC. No reason to soil himself by going on the lamest cable networks either. Rock on, John! Kiss of, Lawrence.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:26pmI learn more about MSNBC here on Blaze then anywhere else. If it wasn‘t for Blaze I don’t think we’d probably know that MSNBC even exists anymore.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:26pmOf course not .. working at MSDNC means never having to say you are sorry .. while you attack others and call for them to apologize to MSDNC and the liberals. Nothing but disgusting POS work for MSDNC .. and NBC (DNC).
Report Post »Lather
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:24pmHagee is Satan.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:29pmLather, you embarrass yourself.
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:34pmNooo, Satan is Satan. Hagee is a pastor but feel free to illiterate your point. Of feel free to watch Pumpernickel Boulevard. One of the episodes addresses comparisons such as yours.
Report Post »Lather
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:42pmWhen You Find the word “Rapture” in the Bible let me know.
Report Post »bombshelterbob
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:42pmDon’t get in a lather, Lather! It‘s just as pathetic for you to be a hater as it is for what’s-his-name on MessNBC!
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:56pm@LATHER Rapture is implicit rather than explicit.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgiUpuL4QM
Lather
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:11amSo the Word of God now is “implicit rather than explicit”
Report Post »Light_V_Dark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:24amLeather,
Murderers are Satanic…You know, like Communists, AmeriKan Dhimwits, Useful Idiots and Muslims on Jihad. It’s not as if you have a CHOICE…I should guess you are still in mourning that Obumessiah ASSASSINATED OBL…Wron Paul-Leanna is.
Leftists aren’t only MURDERERS…YOU are liars, COWARDS, Sexual Deviants, God-haters, NIHILISTS, SATAN’S CHEERLEADERS, PEP SQUADS and MALIGNANT NARCISSISTS.
REVELATION 21***
6He(Jesus) said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
http://downloadpolitics.com/entry.php?207-This-Was-An-Answer-To-A-Body-Snatcher..Thought-I-d-Make-It-Into-An-Entry...
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:35amApparently you didn’t watch or get the video…it means that Raptured is explained… and if you look up the scripture at the end of the video..you would see that…or not.. makes no difference to me…I was just trying to help you out.
Report Post »diggyorange
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:47amHagee’s comments about Catholics have a familiar ring to them……. kinda like the stuff I see written here.
He says he’s sorry for anything he may have said that was hurtful , but never said if he believes what he said to be true. (if you‘ve never heard the video’s youtube them they are vile)
ITS REALLY STRANGE anytime there is a CATHOLIC topic or where Catholic anything is mentioned on the BLAZE the crazed bigots come out in full force , but not on THIS article. Wonder why?
you know the usual , Pagans , Satan, 666, Anti-Christ, all that good stuff. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch.
Report Post »Lather
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 7:03amAgain, Your silly Video is NOT Scripture. Please Study HISTORY beyond your small Fact Free “Christian” World.. Jesus Didn’t say He was God.. Haggy is a fool, there is no war on Xmas, There is no real Xmas you fools!!
Mithra!! talking about the one who was born on December 25th 600 BC, to a virgin mother, had 12 companions while traveling as a teacher, performed miracles, was called “the good shepherd”, “the way, the truth and the light, redeemer, savior”, and ceremonies to Mithra included water baptism to remove sins, anointing, and a sacred meal of bread and water, was buried in a tomb from where after three days he rose again, and that resurrection was celebrated every year?
This is odd since the HISTORICAL FACTS of this STORY existing Pre-date the JESUS STORY.
Report Post »rush_is_right
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:28am“Again, Your silly Video is NOT Scripture. Please Study HISTORY beyond your small Fact Free “Christian” World.. Jesus Didn’t say He was God.. ”
huh, then what did He mean when He said..
revelation 1:
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
only God is the first and last….
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:33am@LATHER Yes…that video was scriptural..and Jesus did not say that He was God
Report Post »John 1;1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God..
(2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him and without him was not anything made taht was made. (4) In Him was the life, and the life was the light of men (5) and the light shone in the darkness and the darkness comprehened it not. (6) There was a man sent from God,whose name was John (&The same came for a witness to bear witness of the Light,, that all men through Him might believe (8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that lLight.
Hebrews 1:9 You haveloved righteousness and hated lawlessness
Therefore God… Your God, has annointed You.
With the oil of gladness..more than your companions..
So you see…God called Jesus God…
As for Christmas
Romans 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Romans 14:8
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:29pm@ LATHER
Report Post »You show your ignorance. Cocaine ain’t in the Bible either but I supsect the Bible addresses it use. The word rapture is not found in the Bible, but taken from the Greek word “harpazo” (pronounced har-pad’-zo). The term is found 13 times in the New Testament (including Revelation 12:5 which addresses Jesus’ ascent described in the Book of Acts). According to Strong’s Greek Dictionary, “Harpazo” means “to seize (in various applications): – catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).” To this effect, most modern Christian ministries imply that “rapture” means “harpazo,“ which specifically points to being ”caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.