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MSNBC Panel Wonders: Will Obama Campaign Covertly Use Mormonism to Make Romney Look ‘Weird?’

Morning Joe Explores Obama Campaigns Potential Use of Mormonism Against RomneyDuring the 2012 electoral season, the media’s handling of Mitt Romney’s Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints membership will certainly be interesting to observe. Equally intriguing will be the Democratic Party‘s treatment of the Republican contender’s faith.

Despite Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s (D-Fla.) pledge that religion will be off-limits during the presidential race, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” continued to explore how faith could come into play in the months leading up to November. Mediaite sets up the on-air discussion that unfolded this morning:

On Monday, Politico’s Mike Allen told Morning Joe about the Obama campaign’s plans to look into “Romney’s penchant for secrecy,” noting that the campaign’s communications director, David Axelrod, has asked such questions as “Why did George Bush and John McCain release multiple years of tax returns, but not Mitt Romney? Why did Mitt Romney leave Massachusetts government with the hard drives from his computers, and why did his senior aides leave with the hard drives from their computers? Why won’t he be more forthcoming about some of these offshore investments?”

Panelist Jon Meacham asked whether any of the focus on Romney’s “secrecy” may have something to do with his faith, Mormonism, a religion shrouded in mystery for many non-Mormons. “Is this code for the secrecy of the Mormon Church?” he asked Allen.

Allen continued, explaining how supporters may interpret the Obama campaign’s attempt to make Romney look odd or “different.”

“As the Obama campaign makes the case that Romney is somehow weird, different some supporters of Romney will say that that is a dog whistle, that is a way to come near the religion issue,” he explained. “The Obama campaign will tell you they’re not going to touch it, they don’t poll on it, they don’t talk about it in focus groups because they know that it would blow up if they did and that got public.”

Watch the dialogue unfold, below:

(H/T: Mediaite)

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  • matt708
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:30am

    the MSNBC panels should first try to figure out how they are going to get thier heads ut of their arses.

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    • sWampy
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:43am

      What they are really going to use, is all the American jobs he sent to China, when he moved production overseas to save money, helping china, screwing America, while making billions for himself.

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    • txn4justice
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:51am

      Maybe, but first they will attack Mitt Romney’s wife as much as possible. Attacking family is the lowest.

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    • db321
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:24pm

      Let the relentless Liberal vetting of Romney began – non stop – same talking points – every channel you tune too! While Obama get’s a Teflon coating – hands off his grades, Birth Certificate, College Transcript, Advisers and Backers, Who was his best man, Did he ever date anyone before Mechelle.

      Obama is a clean as a whistle! Everyone else – is a despicable Human being! I wonder if this will work for Obama this time!

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    • Detroit paperboy
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:58pm

      @ db831
      Yeah, he dated a bunch of people before Michele, they were all men though, google it…. The media has totally covered this up, google it !!! It’s creepy !

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    • Clive
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:14pm

      obama will never call out mormon religion for being a cultish bunch of fruitcakes. that would take too much spine, but he might have other people do it for him. i’d have an easier time voting for mitt if he were christian. i mean a “real” christian.

      take a few minutes to learn about what the Mormons believe in. Its pretty ludicrous.

       
    • johnjamison
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:33pm

      Someone tell the Obama camp Romney’s not getting elected to create a national relgion. That unlike Obama Romney’s not pretending to be of a certain relgion to garner support….LIKE OBAMA DOES.
      That Romney’s be elected to help Congress restructure America economy by tearing down the 8 trillion regulation obama and his buddies put in place to stop it.
      Someone also tell Obama that there will be he77 TO PAY for wasting 10′s of billions to push his green pipe dream. And I‘m not talking losing an election I’m talking supenias and prisons.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:43pm

      IMHBLO, you start messing with some ones religion for your personal gain and you’ve sealed your fate. I don’t care what you say. You are free to practice your religion no matter what it “IS”. As long as it doesn’t include killing other people.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:52pm

      Excuse me .. that was the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry to type in any kind of religion to find out their beliefs and doctrines..

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    • jzs
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:52pm

      Why should the Obama campaign give any thought to a subject that right wing evangelists have already covered thoroughly?

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    • ImMormon
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:11pm

      http://www.mormon.org

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    • etoddt
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:23pm

      @Clive

      And thanks for demonstrating exactly how the Obama strategy will work.

      It’s so easy to be bigotted… you just have to find things you don‘t like or don’t understand in other people, and ridicule them for it. It takes a bit of maturity and to empathize with people you fundementally disagree with…

      Kind of like when Christ said [Luke 6], “27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.”

      But who cares what Christ thinks, right???

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:30pm

      @IMMORMON Thank you so much for posting the only truthful website besides the other LDS websites..the truth can only be found there. Thank you.

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    • tketterer
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:01pm

      Ashestoashes,,,really? try going to some exmormon websites that tell the truth that your “truthfull” websites won’t. I had to research your little cult because they were breaking up a family by recruiting by dating (I’m sure you have no idea what that means) the daughter of a dear friend of mine. Oh yea, we‘re about family unless you don’t have a mormon family. Find out what it means by the one strong and mighty and how it pertains to romney and the “kingdom of god” here in usa when the “constitution is hanging by a thread.” Think you could do that or are you so brainwashed that you are afraid. mrm.org mormonthink.com
      This second one is run by mormons who are still in the cult mainly because of the community aspect, but are not happy about the secrecy and outright lies from your higher ups and if they ever tried to leave they would be ostracized and demeaned and would not be allowed to see their families still in the brainwashed cult. I DARE YOU!!!!

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:24pm

      I and my family were baptized mormon in the mid 90′s. After 4 months, we decided it was not for us. Too many weird things going on, emphasis on tithing and having to put your info on the envelope over anything else, not being able to explain truthfully about the pluralty of wives in the doctrine & covenants. The list goes on. We were told things by the missionaries that sounded wonderful, but were set down on our expectaitons after going to church for a couple months. One thing I know about most religions, they all think they are the true religion and think the others are wrong in what they teach. Nothing divides people more than religion, except maybe politics. Now I and my family get together with some friends of ours and rejoice about Christs works on our own. We have never been happier in our relationship with Christ.

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    • etoddt
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:42pm

      @ashestoashes

      Funny thing about TRUTH – if you leave out facts, then your view isn’t true anymore… and what you seem to be suggesting in your links is that you don’t need to take into account what the majority of people within a particular group think in order to know the truth about them. If that’s the case, then let’s see what other minority views can we cherry-pick to distort reality, shall we?

      NAMBLA believes in legalizing pedophilia – so since NAMBLA believes it, then men molesting boys must be ok…

      CCOKC say their Hollywood stylists are gay – so since their experience says so, being a stylist must mean you live a LGBT lifestyle…

      PETA says eating meat is abusive – so anyone who’s ever eaten a hamburger is guilty of cruelty to animals…

      Honestly, do you really think it wise to cherry-pick information and then present that as “truth”? How long before that tactic gets used to make you look extreme, silly, and out of touch?

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:53pm

      @TEKETERER I was raised a Baptist and am now non denominational.. I trust the Baptist church..as they are closer to the Bible and also I trust Messianic Jews..I am not a Mormon..but GB is..and on this thread is a Mormon community..Try typing in any religion you want on this website.
      http://carm.org/
      And this website will give some history.. http://www.angelfire.com/planet/lds/22.html
      I am sorry for your plight..all I can say is “the truth doesn’t always live here.” or at least it cannot always be posted. Had you experienced what I did here earlier today..you would understand.

       
    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:05pm

      @ETODDT I have studied all I care to about the Mormon religion..when they introduced the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith..I quit..The Bible is hard enough to learn without all of that mamby pamby about Joseph Smith..I believe Jesus/Yeshua and don’t need any other Saviour. I didn’t just fall off the turnip truck yesterday.. and I know a false religion when I see one. I have a Mormon aunt..my pastor’s son is mormon.. a friend of mine is mormon when he’s not doing transcendental projection where he travels around having conversations with people.. I know about their history of multiple marriages and how they get their own planet when they die and how they baptize their dead so they can enter the higher realm.. I go by the Bible..plain and simply. I put up with a certain door knocking religion for years and they always invited me to Passovers..but they had told me that unless you are one with the Holy Spirit which is one of them only..can you partake and if you do you will be punished..Found out only 2 of the elders partook this yr at their church..They twist and turn and write their own bibles to suit their own agendas..no thanks.

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    • LDSmommy
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:17pm

      Clive, You’re just ridiculous.
      West Coast Patriot-’emphasis on tithing and having to put your info on the envelope over anything else, not being able to explain truthfully about the pluralty of wives in the doctrine & covenants.’ There is no emphasis on tithing! It IS 10 percent of your income, PERIOD. If you had a problem with that, fine, but to suggest there was some kind of a emphasis on it is silly. As far as plural marriages, what didn’t you understand? No one is trying to hide anything, it’s out there for the world to see.
      I am really shocked at how bigoted some of you are. You are everything the libs accuse religious people of being. It makes me sad to realize that people I trusted all of my life, conservatives, are this judgmental. What the hell is going on here?

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    • tketterer
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:29pm

      ldsmommy..I beg to differ on your “everything is out there” statement. Becasue it isn’t, but just like most you won‘t research to find out what hasn’t been drilled into your head. They don’t put pressure on tithing? That is laughable, it is a requirement to do it to get into whatever level of heaven. Please tell the truth

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 6:41pm

      LDSMOMMY, Do not get me wrong, I am not bigoted toward LDS at all. Just because I have a problem with their beliefs, does not mean I am bigoted. I still have many friends that still attend churc and I have accepted that my first name is Jack. Maybe it was my bishop, maybe not, but I did not want to put my name on my tithe, he told me I had to for the records as if you are not on record for tithing, you cannot ever get into the temple? Not what I say but what he said. The pluralty of wives problem that my wife and I had was the expanation that Jesus gave this permission to men of the priesthood so they could bring wives of men who were killed during the persecution which drove mormons west. This explanation never made sense to me as it has to be false. Our bishop also professed that blacks were made that color as punishment for Cain slewing Able, not my words, but our bishops words. I have no problem with someone being mormon, it just is not for me.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:25pm

      LDSMommy, What, nothing to say? You called me a bigot, now you have nothing to say. Figures. Isn’t it amazing how people claim to be a Christian, call someone something they are not, get called on it, then do not have the courage to respond. I do not attend any church, but I bet that my relationship with Christ is better than most. I follow the golden rule everyday. I help people everyday. I try to make myself proud of myself, everyday. How do you make yourself proud everyday? You do as much as you can for the unfortunate, everyday. That is what I do. I know you are not supposed to brag about your works, but when you are being put down, what else can you do. I try to do my works without praise and all that, that is why I do not tithe and then use it as a write off on my taxes. I have never wrote off any charity that I have ever given. I believe that if you write off your charity, you are asking every taxpayer to help pay for half of your giving and I do not think that is right. I give because I want to help a certain cause. I will not ask anyone to help me with my personal charity. We need a government that wil live by the golden rule also, and I do not see that with Romney, but I do see that in Ron Paul and that is the main reason I support him. If any of you have a problem with that, pray.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:19pm

      Anyone notice how senstive Mrmns are? If you have had a bad experience with them..just as well keep it too yourself..wouldn’t want to scare off any future members or voters. After all..you should go to the website that IMMORMON listed below…and see what a lovely religion they are..you have to take it REEAL SLOOW..

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 2:54am

      Here are facts about LDS http://www.utlm.org/

      “Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet…When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go.” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

      - Joseph Smith: founder, prophet, seer, and revelator of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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    • joel228
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 3:31am

      Squarehead. In the … area you left out the key point Joseph Smith was making. He said “I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good people.”

      No way was Joseph claiming to be superior to Christ and many many times acknowledged his faults. Jesus was in the midst of traitors and evil people. He purposely placed himself there to effectuate the atonement.

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:10am

      I hope that you’ll take no advantage of my weakness in writing; the blaze is hardly an ideal place for such an important conversation. I’ll do my best to convey my thoughts as clearly as possible.

      Fellow blazers I should like to be for a few minutes a witness in support of the proposition that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in our day and that this (being the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) is His Church, which was organized under His direction through the Prophet Joseph Smith. I should like to give some reasons for the faith I have and for my allegiance to the Church. If you don’t mind brothers & sisters (For we are all children of God) I’d like to ask you some simple questions, and I would appreciate your honest answers.

      First, may I begin on the assumption that you are a Christian? And if so it should then be safe to assume you believe in the Bible—the Old and New Testament? Do you believe in prayer? By your statements I can deduce that you believe that my belief that God spoke to a man in this age is absurd. So then do you believe that God ever did speak to anyone? Certainly all through the Bible we have evidence of that being the case. So did He speak to Adam? To Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, and on through the prophets? If I’m correct in assuming you answered yes to my questions thus far, may I ask you if you believe that contact between God and man ceased when Jesus appeared on the earth?

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:11am

      Cont…

      Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God? Do you believe, fellow blazers, that after Jesus was resurrected a certain lawyer, who was also a tent maker by the name of Saul of Tarsus, when on his way to Damascus, talked with Jesus of Nazareth, who had been crucified, resurrected, and had ascended into heaven? Whose voice did Saul hear? If you answer that it was the voice of Jesus Christ, you would be correct for He so introduced Himself. I would submit to you in all seriousness that it was standard procedure in Bible times for God to talk to man. This is where we, we being Latter-Day Saints, differ from main stream Christianity. Although many main stream Christians would agree that it was standard procedure for God to speak to man in Bible times, yet they also believe that He stopped shortly after the first century of the Christian era. If my assumption that you too share this belief is correct then may I ask why do you think it stopped? Do you think that God hasn’t spoken since then? And if so there must be a reason; can you give me a reason?

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:15am

      Cont…

      May I suggest some possible reasons: perhaps God does not speak to man anymore because He cannot. He has lost the power. Now of course that is not the case and such a statement would be blasphemous. So, then, if you don’t accept that, perhaps He doesn’t speak to men because He doesn’t love us anymore. He is no longer interested in the affairs of men. No? It is probably safe to assume you believe as I do that God loves all men, and He is no respecter of persons. So, then, if He loves us, then the only other possible answer, as I see it, is that we don’t need Him. We have made such rapid strides in science; we are so well educated, that we don’t need God anymore. This is where most of my Christians friends would respond in a similar manner, such is that “there never was a time in the history of the world when the voice of God was needed as it is needed now. Perhaps you can tell me why He doesn’t speak.” My answer was and is: He does speak. He has spoken, but men need faith to hear Him.

      You say Joseph Smith was a nut, a crazy con man, but I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. He talked like a prophet. He was the first man since the Apostles of Jesus Christ were slain to make the claim which prophets have always made, [namely,] that God had spoken to him. He lived and died like a prophet. I believe he was a prophet of God because he gave to this world some of the greatest of all revelations.

      Cont..

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:17am

      Cont..

      I believe that he was a prophet of God because he predicted many things which have come to pass, things which only God could bring to pass.

      John, the beloved disciple of Jesus, declared, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” [Rev. 19:10]. If Joseph Smith had the testimony of Jesus, he had the spirit of prophecy, and if he had the spirit of prophecy, he was a prophet. I submit to you, as I’ve submitted to my friends, that as much as any man who ever lived he had a testimony of Jesus, for, like the Apostles of old, he saw Him and heard Him speak. He gave his life for that testimony. I challenge you or any man to name one who has given more evidence of the divine calling of Jesus Christ than did the Prophet Joseph Smith.

      Cont..

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:17am

      Cont..

      I believe the Prophet Joseph Smith was a prophet because he did many superhuman things. One was translating the Book of Mormon. Some people will not agree, but I submit to you that the Prophet Joseph Smith in translating the Book of Mormon did a superhuman work. I ask you … to undertake to write a story on the ancient inhabitants of America. Write as he did without any source of material. Include in your story 54 chapters dealing with wars, 21 historical chapters, 55 chapters on visions and prophecies, and, remember, when you begin to write on visions and prophecies you must have your record agree meticulously with the Bible. You write 71 chapters on doctrine and exhortation, and, here too, you must check every statement with the scriptures or you will be proven to be a fraud. You must write 21 chapters on the ministry of Christ, and everything you claim He said and did and every testimony you write in your book about Him must agree absolutely with the New Testament.

      I ask you, would you like to undertake such a task? I would suggest to you too that you must employ figures of speech, similes, metaphors, narrations, exposition, description, oratory, epic, lyric, logic, and parables. Undertake that, will you? I ask you to remember that the man that translated the Book of Mormon was a young man who hadn’t had the opportunity of schooling that you have had, and yet he dictated that book in just over two months and made very few, if any, corrections.

      Cont..

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:18am

      Cont..

      For over 100 years, some of the best students and scholars of the world have been trying to prove from the Bible that the Book of Mormon is false, but not one of them has been able to prove that anything he wrote was not in strict harmony with the scriptures. …

      Joseph Smith undertook and accomplished other superhuman tasks; among them I list the following: He organized the Church. (I call attention to the fact that no constitution effected by human agency has survived 100 years without modification or amendment, even the Constitution of the United States. The basic law or constitution of the Church has never been altered.) He undertook to carry the gospel message to all nations, which is a superhuman task still in progress. He undertook, by divine command, to gather thousands of people to Zion. He instituted vicarious work for the dead and built temples for that purpose. He promised that certain signs should follow the believers, and there are thousands of witnesses who certify that this promise has been fulfilled.

      Cont..

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:19am

      Cont..

      I say to you as I did my friends, … I cannot understand your saying to me that my claims are absurd or fantastic. Nor can I understand why Christians who claim to believe in Christ would persecute and put to death a man whose whole purpose was to prove the truth of the things they themselves were declaring, namely, that Jesus was the Christ. I could understand them for persecuting Joseph if he had said, ‘I am Christ,’ or if he had said, ‘There is no Christ,’ or if he had said someone else is Christ. Then Christians believing in Christ would be justified in opposing him. But what he said was, ‘He whom ye claim to serve, declare I unto you. … I testify that I saw Him and talked with Him. He is the Son of God. Why persecute me for that?’” …

      I have brought to you very briefly some of the reasons why I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. But undergirding and overarching all that, I say to you from the very center of my heart that by the revelations of the Holy Ghost I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. While these evidences and many others that could be cited may have the effect of giving one an intellectual conviction, only by the whisperings of the Holy Spirit can one come to know the things of God.

      By those whisperings I say I know that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. I thank God for that knowledge.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:52am

      Lux, One problem here: “I call attention to the fact that no constitution effected by human agency has survived 100 years without modification or amendment, even the Constitution of the United States. The basic law or constitution of the Church has never been altered.” Why then, was the law of pluralty of wives, changed? There is still a problem today with the pluralty of wives law written by Joseph Smith which was told to him by Christ? If Christ were to say anything to anybody, it would stand the test of time. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He is God in human form and the Holy Spirit lives inside of him. We are all made in Gods image and have the ability to have the Holy Spirit live in us. I just do not believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God as he made too many mistakes. His death was senseless. Killed by a mob and had no real meaning behind it. He did not give himself up for sacrifice as Christ did. He was captured, treated like crap grant you, but was killed in a firefight. I just do not get a feeling of sainthood.

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    • EP46
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 6:48am

      They really should not talk that way about Harry Reid…Morman…leader of the U.S. Senate !

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 6:56am

      Good morning West Coast Patriot, thank you for your question. I am currently on my way out but I would be happy to quickly provide you with a link that can answer your question. If the following information isn’t sufficient please let me know. The following link will direct you to a website where W. John Walsh, FARMS, & a friend of mine Jeff Lindsay answer the following question: “Could you please tell me how to explain why Mormon doctrine has changed so much since it’s founding, despite verses in the Bible and Book of Mormon that say God never changes?” Let me know if you have any further inquiries on the matter and I’ll do my best to personally answer them. Have a great day!

      http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/doctrines_changed.htm#jl

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    • MacPharlan
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 1:22pm

      These threads just sadden me, why do some folks always have to tear others beliefs down. Why are you so concerned with our Religion? You concerned with my salvation? I already believe in Christ and that he died for my sins? So I believe for than you do, I believe I need to repent and be baptized, but I have never heard of being damned for knowing/believing to much. Worship the way you want, let me worship the way I want.

      I like being married to my spouse forever and not just until death. I like going and getting baptized for my ancestors that have passed on so they have the same opportunity to accept Christ, why should they be damned for not having the same opportunities? I am happy to know that I lived with God my father before coming to earth, than I am his son (my spirit). I love the idea that you are my literal brother and sister and should treat you as such.

      So why all the hate? How does my believe hurt your or tear down your faith? Why do you always feel the need to pop up and spout some hateful rhetoric that hateful men and women have placed out their to attack another’s belief? They attack poeple that have been dead for almost 200 years, attacks from folks who’s own character is very questionable, but that is not the point. Why does my belief hurt you so bad that you need to attack it every chance you get.

      I am not going to post here or anywhere something attacking your belief, and I don’t have a mind to see if I can find dirt on it. Worship how and who

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 2:27pm

      Well said LUX!

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:48pm

      LUX
      I do appreciate you expressing what you believe, and the fact that you have given it some thought, which many LDS‘rs don’t seem to have done, based on their comments.
      I will answer a couple of your questions but before I do that, I have to make a comment to the “Poltically Correct ” police that is getting very upset because we are having a dialog. There is no hate in this. There are just passionate beliefs that we have. I believe that there is nothing more important in life than once faith in God our creator and Christ and the salvation he made possible to those who believe in him. I am sure that you LUX and many Mormons likewise have the same passion about what you believe. I believe , as you LUX probably do as well that there will be eternal consequences for getting once faith wrong, which is why I feel like I have an obligation to spread the truth, which I believe is the Bible ONLY, and you the Bible + Joseph Smith.
      That being said I would fight for your rights as an individual to believe what you want. It is not the governments job to legislate for or against any ones faith. That is not what this is about. There are a couple of dialogues going on here. 1 How do we turn around our Run Away Government/ Socialist/ Anti Liberty direction of this nation. 2. Our faith.
      Romney is not the guy to do it, not because he is a Mormon, but because he has been a Big Government guy all along, so that is why he has had to outspend everybody in the primar

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:51pm

      cont.
      primaries 10-1. So already there is no enthusiasm for him, and now the fact that he is a Mormon will work against him amongst the vast voter base. Yes he we probably get 99% of the Mormon vote, but the evangelicals are skeptical, already being that Mitt is a Obama light, and as more and more of the Mormon’s beliefs will be made public, by the liberal left media, it will turn away more and more of the Christian Right. That is a fact, despite you not wanting to admit it. I am not saying that it is right or just, but that it is a fact.
      2. We are having

      Regarding your question about “Does not God speak to people today” The answer is Yes He does, through his word. Read the Gospel of John:

      Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
      Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
      Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
      Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
      Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
      Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
      Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
      Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:52pm

      cont.
      Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
      Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
      Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
      Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

      Regarding the scrutiny of Joseph Smith’s writings of the last 100 years. You can get away with making statements like that to the ignorant, or in the LDS church, but anyone that reads the bible knows better. See Revelation 22:18-19
      Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
      We all today have a copy of the Bible and it has become increasingly available to us all in the free world, since the invention of the printing press in the 1400′s .

      We have the the very word of God as can be seen in John 1. So there is no need for God to add to that, and we see what God says in Revelation about those that do ad to it. As Christians we are in dwelth with the Holy Spririt that Jesus sent to dwell in the belie

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:58pm

      cont.

      As we become saved we are a new creation as was seen among the apostles. Before they had the Holy spirit, they denied Christ, and hid to avert persecution even though Christ was alive with them! But after he arose from the dead and then later ascended into Heaven and sent the Holy Spirit, they loudly proclaimed the good news of the gospel and of the salvation that was made available to those who believe. They all did it despite persecution and to death. Because of the strength of their faith.

      I do believe that God does speak to individuals, and there are many testimonies of that happening. See clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sno1c3n0xxc
      But that is not so that those that receive messages from God are to have them added to the Bible, as we see in Revelation 22:18 That is also why I think that we see more miracles on the Mission field, as the missionaries are preaching that God enables them sometimes by His Grace to heal the sick, so that they may believe.

      There is no Hate in having discussions about these matters. That is what the Socialist say when you want to debate the validity of their programs, and results. They scream bigotry and hate as a way not to have the discussion. I do appreciate The Blaze allowing these dialogues to take place without censorship. I hope The Blaze will keep it that way. Though we disagree about eternally important things, I do consider you brothers in fighting tyranny and socialism.

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 5:14pm

      Just another ism. Jesus is the only way

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    • FFerr
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 6:07pm

      Obama doesn’t have the kahonies to play this game himself. Will use his minions to do his bidding. MSNBC will finally show their true colors.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:01pm

      @squarehead –

      To be completely honest, you are using a much kinder tone now than you were yesterday – which I appreciate. However, maybe you haven’t seen my reply to your questions posed on page 4 of this article – but I’m simply amazed that you continue to use Revelation 22:18-19 to make the averment that there is “only” the Bible. This is seriously one of the most feeble arguments in support of your position. I know you are a smart person from reading your posts, so I kindly ask that you do some homework on this one prior to repeating it again.

      1. Revelation 22:18-19 EXPRESSLY states that it is referring only to “this revelation” and “this book”. Meaning that specific revelation. Otherwise the Jews would have your same argument against the New Testament since a similar warning not to “add” unto its words are found in the Old Testament. Deuteronomy 4:2.

      2. John wrote that scripture prior to other scriptures that he himself wrote which are now included in the Bible.

      3. THE BIBLE DID NOT EXIST WHEN THAT SCRIPTURE WAS WRITTEN – thus, it could not be referring to the Bible.

      4. The books that now make up the Bible mention MANY other scriptural books that were not chosen to be part of the current compilation.

      5. You really need to look into who compiled these books – they did not even claim divine authority to do so – the number of books has grown and shrunk many times before today’s version(S) existed.

      There are more reasons, but start here

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:15pm

      SquareHead I commend you for your post and honesty. I don’t often comment on the Blaze unless I feel prompted to do so, and I agree with you that there is little if any hate in a majority of these posts, that what is said is merely people stating what they passionately believe in. However, regarding our differences on the concept of modern revelation I would like to ask you a few more questions. If God held a televised news conference, would you watch it? If so, do you think you would learn something new? Maybe there’s more that God wants to tell us. Personally, I find it quite puzzling that some people want to close canon – as if the Bible is the be-all and end-all of what God (in Whom 88% of us believe) wants us to learn, and that by reading it one has finished school.

      We (whom you refer to as Mormons) make a simple claim: God still speaks to His children through a prophet because there is much more knowledge He wants to give to help us with life’s test. Those of an opposite persuasion claim that God commanded that nothing be added to the Bible. Let’s take a closer look.

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:16pm

      Cont…

      The charge not to add anything to the Bible is extrapolated from a verse in the 22nd chapter of Revelations:

      “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.”

      Heavy stuff. The problem for those using this statement to assert that there shall be no further scripture is that “this book” refers to the book of Revelations, not the Bible as a whole. The Bible as we know it was not compiled in its present sequence, with Revelations last, until centuries after John wrote that verse. Further, Revelations may have been written before John’s own three epistles. (See http://www.truthnet.org/Christianity/revelation/Introduction/ & http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/1jnintro.html)

      Today’s Bible is not even the same collection of scriptural books it once was. In the Bible’s own pages are references to other books that were once accepted as scripture but which have been lost: Jasher, Solomon, Wars of the Lord, Samuel, Gad, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, and the list goes on. If these lost books happened to turn up in an archaeological dig, under what stretched rationale could a don’t-add-anything-to-the-Bible person refuse to accept them? The Bible is obviously not a once-and-final collection of all the books that contain all the words the Lord gave to His people in ancient times.

      Cont..

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:18pm

      Cont…

      If one found out that the Apostle Paul had written another letter to the Corinthians besides the two we have in the Bible, would that other letter be scripture? Well, Paul actually did write a letter to the Corinthians before he wrote the one we call First Corinthians, as he reminds them in the firth chapter of that book. (see 1 Corinthians 5:9, Paul refers to an earlier letter: “I wrote you in an epistle not to company with fornicators….”) So if that letter and the lost books would be accepted as holy write if found today, why not then other inspired writings?

      The need to be open to further knowledge is well accepted. When has mankind ever exhausted any topic of knowledge? When have we ever been justified in ignoring new insights, new facts, new information in any form?

      The way I view it, if I took a course of study from a professor, would I think at the end of the last class that I had learned everything he could teach me? If I read one book from an author, would I think I had exhausted all he could tell me?

      Why should one Bible contain all that God wants to tell us and all we need to know? Well, if we admit that we cannot drain all the knowledge available from one fallible person in one book or one class, why do we think one Bible contains all that God can or wants to tell us?

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:19pm

      Cont…

      When we Mormons tell the world that there are additional scriptures, the standard answer we hear (which is quite similar to what you have stated SquareHead) is that God may have more that He could say, but He has given us “all we need to know”.

      We submit that the differing interpretations of the Bible are PRIMA FACIE evidence that, indeed, mankind does NOT have all it needs to know.

      It is part of our nature, and all people like to think they are knowledgeable and up on things. Some, however, get carried away with their accomplishments and not only feel they are above the intelligence of the huddled masses, but have all the knowledge they need. In such hubris lies a fall. Consider a few of the dumber things that have been said by intelligent people about new knowledge:

      “This [atomic bomb project] is the biggest fools thing we have ever done. The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives” Admiral William Leahy to President Harry S. Truman, 1945.

      “Heaver-than-air flying machines are impossible.” Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.
      “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977.

      “Louis Pasteur’s theory of germs is ridiculous fiction.” Pierre Pachet, professor of physiology at Toulouse, 1872.

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:21pm

      Cont…

      “This ‘telephone’ has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.” Western Union internal memo, 1876.

      This elitist attitude, smug in present knowledge and too lazy to be curious about the new, can trip us up as the above examples show, but is especially dangerous when it comes to things of Deity, such as assuming that God has nothing of further importance to tell us. While many people are skeptical about the idea of additional scripture, this doesn’t mean they would not be curious if God held a news conference.

      So then SquareHead, why can’t there not be equal curiosity in God’s words if the mode of delivery is the printed page instead of an electronic medium? Let us look at what many believe is an additional collection of God’s word to His children, the Book of Mormon. It was written, as stated on its title page, “… to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ….”

      Within that mission statement, the relevant question about the Book of Mormon is whether it can tell people something they don’t know, give guidance, illuminate Christ’s doctrines, solidify beliefs in Christ, and otherwise make them better. We think it can.

      Cont…

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:23pm

      Are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a “weird”, i.e. peculiar people? ABSOLUTELY! Even Peter knew we would be called such:

      1 Peter 2:9

      9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a PECULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:23pm

      Cont…

      Allow me to quote a few of my favorite points of theology and philosophy found in its pages.

      Knowledge of Christ: We knew of Christ and had a hope of his glory many hundred years before his coming.

      Faith: Ye shall be called the children of Christ, for he hath spiritually begotten you; for your hearts are changed through faith on his name.

      Salvation: There shall be no other name given whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through faith on his name.

      Natural man: The natural man is an enemy of God and will be forever unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and puts off the natural man through the atonement of Christ.

      Cleanliness: No unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of God.

      Service: When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God.

      Voice of the people: It is not common that the voice of the people desires anything that is contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore you shall do your business by the voice of the people.

      Learning: To be learned is good if you harken unto the counsels of God.

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:26pm

      Cont…

      Riches: Before ye seek for riches, seek ye for the kingdom of God. And after ye have obtained a hope in Christ ye shall obtain riches, if ye seek them; and ye will seek them to do good—to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, liberate the captive and administer relief to the sick.

      Opposition: It must needs be that there is opposition in all things. If not, all things must be a compound in one.

      Weakness: I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

      Actions: Wickedness never was happiness.

      Three out of five Americans (61%) believe, as we do, that God still talks to prophets today. I hope, along with all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they will look around to find where those words might be written.

      Some additional websites you may find helpful: http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophets.shtml, http://www.lds.org, http://www.mormon.org

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:41pm

      @LUX – “PRIMA FACIE evidence”? Love it! Are you an attorney as well?

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    • Onowicit
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:50pm

      in response to the headline.

      I would.

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:02pm

      @P8riot “Are you an attorney as well?” No, I’m just a lowly book worm who loves to read.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:18pm

      @LUX – well, in reading your well researched responses – looks like you need to start applying to law schools! :) Great posts.

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    • Realist4U
      Posted on April 18, 2012 at 1:12am

      I believe Obama‘s Muslim past will be a lot more destructive to him than Romney’s Mormonism.

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 18, 2012 at 10:15am

      Realist4u
      Obamas Muslim faith should be an issue, but the liberal media won’t mention that, and the conservative are to afraid because of the Politically correct culture in our nation these days.
      That being said, the liberals have no fear of a backlash in the same way, and the criticism won’t come directly from the Obama camp, so he won’t suffer. On the contrary when people get to learn about the rasist teaching that has been part of LDS, It will sway others back to Obama, and others to stay home or vote for a third party. The media will be portraying Obama like a Christian, and the ignorant voter will by it. That is why I think that if Obama gets another term more people will wake up, like we have seen in the T-party movement. Mitt might be less bad than Obama, but I have no confidence in a person that has a history of being that unprincipled, and on all sides of most issue, that he would accomplish anything of lasting importance. He would be another Bush who grew the government more than any Democrat since Johnson, and who destroyed more liberties than anyone since FDR!
      He did that all while the vast majority of Republicans were asleep, and enjoying not having to see Bill Clinton any longer, and for being spared having the inventor of the Internet himself Al Gore as president. The fact is that we would have been better of with Al Gore. With the Republican congress at the time it would have been a continued gridlock that we got in the second term with C

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 18, 2012 at 6:39pm

      I find it amazing how many of the people on here claim to believe in the Bible and yet are so fearful of what is happening in the world today. The scriptures are littered with promises of peace and comfort, so why all this fear laced talk of doom and gloom?

      I think its important to note that Jesus promised HIS PEACE—not the peace that the world gives. The world cries out for freedom from war, from violence, from oppression, from injustice, from contention, from disease and distress, and even Obama. That the Savior did not expect such worldly peace is clear from His concluding remark to His Apostles: “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world” (John 16:33).

      In mortality tribulation would continue. But in the midst of that tribulation His followers would have peace in Him. In other words, even if all the world is crumbling around us, the promised Comforter will provide His peace as a result of true discipleship. Ultimate total peace will come, of course, because He overcame the world. But we can have His peace with us irrespective of the troubles of the world. His peace is that peace, that serenity, that comfort spoken to our hearts and minds by the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, as we strive to follow Him and keep His commandments.

      Cont…

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 18, 2012 at 6:49pm

      Cont…

      “Learn of me, and listen to my words; walk in the meekness of my Spirit, and you shall have peace in me” (D&C 19:23).

      “He who doeth the works of righteousness shall receive his reward, even peace in this world, and eternal life in the world to come” (D&C 59:23).

      Yes in these latter-days much hardship will ensue for it has been prophesied, but the council of the Master still holds true to “be not faithless, but believing.” (John 20:26)

      In conclusion I’d like to quote Elder Richard L. Evans. He said: “Some of the brethren … approached [President Wilford Woodruff] and … inquired of him as to when he felt the end would be—when would be the coming of the Master? These, I think, are not his exact words, but they convey the spirit of his reported reply: ‘I would live as if it were to be tomorrow—but I am still planting cherry trees!’ I think we may well take this as a page for our own book and live as if the end might be tomorrow—and still plant cherry trees! In worrying about things that are beyond our reach, we should not overlook our opportunities with our own families and friends; in worrying about possible eventualities we should not neglect the things that need to be done here and now, and that are within our reach”.

      P.S. SquareHead I’m still interested to know if my previous post clarified any misconceptions you may have had regarding are view on revelation and the Bible. Feedback would be appreciated from people not of

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:30am

    …
    In my opinion, The New World Order decides who runs for office and who “wins”. They just let us vote, to make us feel as if we are part of the process.

    In my opinion, John McCain was instructed to lose, and throw Republicans under the bus. During the whole campaign, he acted as if he was on Obama’s team.

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    • teddie888
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:47am

      You are correct about McCain taking a dive. Right after the election in a palin interview she said how the McCain managers wouldn’t let her bring up RevWright , etc. I only heard her say it 1X and 1X only. Then I was sure someone got to her.

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:44pm

      It is called dignity, not taking a dive.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:04pm

      This is what I believe..as reported by reported by Michael Savage..and by the Canadian Free Republic and by the Patriot site and by the Free Republic..For those of you going to Snopes..be informed..they are a liberal website and have been proven to be untruthful in matters concerning pollitics..this was proven by researchers going directly to government websites.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:08pm

      The link you might to check on the rights to count votes being sold to a company in Spain linked to George Soros.. is this
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:27pm

      Ashes, Here is another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNORxmmVSc

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:38pm

      @WESTCOAST..Thank you West Coast..I was reading above where you got together with friends for discussing Jesus..that is wonderful..I was involved in a housechurch for 4 yrs..I never experienced anything like it..truly awesome..

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  • COFemale
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:29am

    One common practice with any company if they are going to donate or recycle old computers is to take the hard drive out and get it wiped clean. This hard drive more than likely held financial data and could be detrimental if discovered by unauthorized sources. People can demonize anything anyone does especially when they are clueless to common practices. Why he took it out is none of our business and it is apparent the company he was leaving was aware. Also if he was a consultant rather an employee to the company, he has a right to remove the hard drive with his proprietary data. So there are a host of reasons why you would remove a hard drive.

    The military does all the time and no one seems to care. In fact, it is required for it to get wiped.

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  • matt708
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:29am

    well then Romney needs to ask Obama why he hasn’t released a lot of records that were requested, like who paid for his college, how did he get a foreign student id while in college and many others, they have to throw this back in his face. Also Harry Reid is a Mormon then he has been the Prez right hand man, isn’t he weird because he is a mormon. Where did he get the money to buy his house in Chicago?

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:45pm

      What in the world makes you think that you, a moron, has the right to know who paid for a President’s college, or anyone’s college? Who in the hell do you think you are? Let me be clear…you don’t have the right.

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    • bigspike
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:50pm

      looks like Texasblahblah just had a widdle hissy fit…typical Progtard

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    • J_Motschenbacher
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 1:45pm

      It‘s hilarious how Republican are all for privacy rights unless you don’t want them for others.

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  • momprayn
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:25am

    Obvious to us “Nobama” people — just another obvious cooked up strategy that is more than dumb. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol — publicly say what is expected & then use media, other public figures to attack. That’s the good news (that it’s dumb)- yes, think it’ll backfire as all the others. I know they’re stupid about many things but this is really stupid. Are they unaware of how many of us have BIG TIME problems with Obama’s “religion”???!!!! — i sure hope that the Repubs will take this and run with it – as an opportunity to show up Obama’s “weirdness”, using his own words. Plus pointing out Reid is a Mormon, etc. So easy. Guess they’re counting on the Repubs.. fear of saying anything negative about him “personally”(especially the big no-no of religion) for fear of alienating the Independents. Romney is loathe to say stuff like that – even when you have proof. Hope they’ll use surrogates to say it. It’s so easy – we have so many serious points to point out about him with proofs but I just don’t know if they will do it. At least thank God for the Consv. talk shows who will though.

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  • JustMel71
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:24am

    Well the liberal right because Romney is not a strong Constitutionalist should use the lefts race baiting political prosecution against them. Show the American people the truth for once!

    Black Activist to Trayvon’s Parents: ‘Get Off the Stage’ and Let Us Politicize His Death

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/14/black-activist-to-trayvon-martin-parents-get-off-the-stage

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  • papagreggin
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:22am

    Democrat Morons in the U.S. Senate

    Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada, the majority leader of the U.S. Senate, was elected to his fifth term and has served since 1986.

    Sen. Tom Udall, D-New Mexico, elected in 2008.

    Democrat Morons in the U.S. House

    Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, elected in 2000.

    Rep. Eni Faleomavaega, D-American Samoa, is one of five territorial representatives in the House. He is in his 13th term as American Samoa’s nonvoting delegate.

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    • COFemale
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:31am

      Harry Reid is a Mormon, so if they will demonize Romney they would be demonizing Harry Reid for the same accusations. So I do believe Romney will be off limits.

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    • Athinkerinaseaoflibs
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:28pm

      The list of Democratic Mormons is much short than Democratic Morons—

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:27pm

      @ ATHINKERINASEAOFLIBS A Blaze poster made the mistake of saying something about “morons” the other night and a Mormon from Oklahoma got all bent out of shape..thinking the poster wrote “Mormon” it was a comedy.

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  • 83plus
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:17am

    Well he’s already proven that almost anyone can get elected as long as one has people in the right places (the main stream media), regardless of experience and who the person is friends with. It wouldn’t surprise if he did.

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  • vic138
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:16am

    The hard drive thing isn’t weird. Maybe he had bank account info on there and was just being safe? Who knows, I think any security consultant would highly recommend it. They throw it out there but don’t offer any suggestions because they are all prudent. They want us to believe its cause he has gay porn on there?, sorry that would be Obama’s reason…

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  • LeadNotFollow
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:15am

    …
    Of course Obama will attack Romney’s Mormonism and make his religion seem all weird. That’s the main reason Obama wants Romney to get the nomination. Romney will be easy to defeat. He failed once before, in his bid for President.

    Romney will pull a John McCain and walk on eggshells around Obama. He won‘t attack Obama’s Muslim faith.
    Obama lived in Indonesia, attended a Muslim school, registered as a Muslim, studied the Koran, and says the “call to prayer” is the most beautiful sound.
    If it walks like a duck…..

    When people get to the voting booth, they will hold their noses and pick between the Mormon or the Muslim. I’ll take the Mormon any day, over the Muslim.

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    • SnowCypher
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:03pm

      First of all, your response shows that you have no sense of GOP presidential history. Many GOP Presidents made a trial run for president before becoming the nominee, including Ronald Reagan in 1976 against President Gerald Ford. Richard Nixon, on the other hand, was the GOP candidate twice, losing to JFK in 1960 and beating Hubert Humphrey in 1968. Thus, knocking Romney because he was an unsuccessful candidate before just shows your ignorance of the topic, not your wise analysis. Similarly, you show greater ignorance of Mormonism than you do knowledge, the basis for any credible analysis. So, next time, get your facts straight before braying your opinion, so you won‘t sound like just another Democrat’s mascot.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 8:15pm

      yup. eggshells is the key word. might as well say lukewarm republican

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  • clemV
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:13am

    If you guys think Romney will be any better than Obama, you’re kidding yourselves. Ron Paul or bust! Voter fraud is rampant; check out this vid on the Maine Caucus:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QApII_DbDik

    Stand up people! Stop being sheeple!

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:49pm

      “sheeple” that’s the word often used by the anarchist crowd who wrote letters to the NYT for over a year calling for “ revolutions” in American against the ” neo-cons and plutocrats.” A group of chaos loving misfits and anti capitalists whose advise I would NEVER follow. I’d rather be a “sheeple” than a Marxist…

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:28pm

      @barber2 – Don’t ever call us Ron Paul Supporters Marxists. Your closer to them than we are. If you vote Romney than your just a typical Communists trying to tell us what we can do with our lives. I am sick of rich people thinking you own the world and how you need to dictate everything. Why can’t you just leave us alone and let us live! RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • chewfatlip
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:35pm

      I assume the “bus”t option is 4 more years of Obama…

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:48pm

      Romney was promised the nomination this election cycle by the GOP in order to step down for McCain in ‘08. The GOP screams foul when the left does election fraud, but it does not stop the GOP from doing the same thing. Romney’s top contributors: Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Credit Suisse Group (based in Switzerland and helped Iran with their nuke program illegally), Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Price Waterhouse Coopers (based in the UK).
      Pauls top contributors: USAF, US Navy, US Marines, US Army, Individuals. If I were POTUS, I would rather be beholden to the people and our military than corrupt corporations such as Romneys contributors.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:11am

    The 0bama Campaign will not have to, the willing lap dog media will do it for him. As you can see here the likes of BSNBC has a good start with O’Donnell, Madcow, Mr Ed (The Talking Horse’s Ass) Schultz and so forth. The rest of the MSM will be on top of this too, just calling it reporting to make it sound cool.

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    • 83plus
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:22am

      Sounds about right, almost anyone can get elected with the MSM on their side.

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:39pm

      Between the Lap Dog Media, the union mobs and their International LeFt wing best buddies , the Obama people have a distinct advantage. Too bad they hate American capitalism so much. Now that , to me, is weird. Where did this group of atheist aliens come from ?

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  • thibx
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:10am

    nothing could compare to (so called) rev. wright..

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  • Big_Mike
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:09am

    Mormonism IS weird. Mormons are nice people, but their religion is strange. It has more in common with Islam than traditional Christianity. Let’s not forget that Joseph Smith is viewed as a prophet, much like Mohammad. I have a problem with a religion that so readily and easily changes its core beliefs under political pressure, such as they did with polygamy and black people.

    What if a presidential candidate was a Scientologist? Would that be fair game?

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    • SnowCypher
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:17am

      That “analysis” would be ridiculous if it were not so completely ignorant. The United Methodist Church recognizes Mormonism as a “non-traditional form of Christianity,” not Islam. You really need to check out the facts before spouting nonsense. It gives the impression that you are either ignorant or willfully ignorant with an axe to grind. Neither is an admirable trait.

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    • SnowCypher
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:40am

      Additonally, there was nothing “easy” about either change in practice or policy. Again, your observations just reveal more about your own prejudices than they do about Mormons or Mormonism. Polygamy as practiced by the Mormons was mostly a tolerated chore and obligation. My widowed great great grandfather was assigned three wives whose previous husbands died in route to Utah. My ancestor provided homes for those three families in addition to his remaining children at home. Several of those adopted kids regarded my ancestor as their “real” father because he made sure they felt important and special, even if their mothers were no treat to deal with. My great grandfather saw the burden those additonal families put on his father and had nothing to do with the practice. Most Mormon men did not practice polygamy. The Church gave families practicing it from 1890 to 1904 to stop practicing, then took harsher steps to enforce the ban. There was nothing easy about it.

      Similarly, the issue of Blacks and the Priesthood was a doctrinal and practical struggle within the Church right up to the 1978 Priesthood Revelation, considering the first Black ordained within the Church was Elijah Abel in 1835. His son and grandson would later be ordained within the Mormon Church as well (Enoch Abel in 1900) and (Elijah Abel II in 1935) all while Church leaders debated the practice among themselves until 1978 and the official Revelation.

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    • texasbeta
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:50pm

      I love how the Church constantly tells people it was just a hard time to take on 56 wives. Face it…it IS weird. Kolob? Your own planet? Magic underwear, the indians were Jewish even though DNA testing shows nothing of the kind, an entire civilization of 2 kinds of Indians in NY even though no evidence shows anything like it, magic plates that vanish, blacks are of Cain, living prophets and apostles…oh yeah, and don’t forget what the Mormon Church teaches about other Protestant religions…the Great Apostate. Yeah, I see you playing nice on the boards, but I have been there…the war against Baptists rages on in every Mormon church on a weekly basis.

       
    • Lord_Frostwind
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:39pm

      Because heaven forbid something happen in the modern world, I mean it is SO hard to accept that God would call modern prophets instead of talking to people through burning foliage, or talking donkey’s. Let’s face it, every faith sounds “Weird” if you actually pay more attention to it than the ministers sunday sermon. And if you want to talk political pressure, how about the various christian churches that now allow female ministers, homosexual priests, or gay marriage?

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:08pm

      Benny Hinn is not weird. He just puts on a show where he heals people by hitting them on the head making them fall and then takes all of their money and buys another Rolls Royce. Praise Jesus!

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    • ImMormon
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:42pm

      Don’t take my word or anyone elses word for it… http://www.mormon.org. Research for yourself.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:51pm

      @TEXASBETA – The “war against Baptists rages on in every Mormon church on a weekly basis.” I’m truly sorry you feel that way. There is no such “war” against any religion in our Church. Within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we teach ONLY what WE believe, we do NOT teach what OTHERS believe. Thus, if there is a “war” – we didn’t get the memo.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:52pm

      @NEOFAN Speaking of Benny Hinn..doesn’t he look like a character off of “Little Nicky” with Adam Sandler?

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:59pm

      @TEXASBETA ..I agree totally with what you just said..I have known several of them myself…but believe me..you must watch what you say.. some sites are schilling for certain people and freedom of speech is being curtailed if it goes against their agenda.. but not here..no sirree….

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 3:01am

      Immomromon I am starting to think that you are not a real person and just an automatic response email to anyone that has a comment regarding Mormonism
      Well here are a couple of my own:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      If you have seen that one already then check out
      http://www.utlm.org/

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    • Bot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 5:20am

      Weird? Guilty as charged. Mormons plead guilty to all the strange things that were done by Christians in New Testament times that were lost during the great falling away in the aptly named Dark Ages, among them temple worship, baptism by immersion by the father of the family, vicarious baptism for the dead, definition of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as separate but united in purpose, salvation requiring both grace and obedience to commandments, prophets and apostles, unpaid clergy, and continual revelation to guide His Church.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 2:36pm

      Are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a “weird”, i.e. peculiar people? ABSOLUTELY! Even Peter knew we would be called such:

      1 Peter 2:9

      9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a PECULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:08am

    I would think that Berry would be the last one that would want anything to do with religion coming up in this election. His closet be full and he looses that battle.

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  • hauschild
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:07am

    Yeah, like Marxists aren’t weird?!?!?

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  • Sh3LLz
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:06am

    Mormons believe in a planet called Kolob………… Which doesnt exist…

    Enough said….

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    • J_Ruben_Kincaid
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:23am

      You have definitive proof of this? Why should I believe you are correct if not?
      And no I am not a Mormon.

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    • ELAN114
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:38am

      Wow you must be the smartest astronomer in the world, you know the names of every planet in the known and unknown universe. You must be really smart eh?

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    • whatever1858
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:19pm

      This comment is stupid! As for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints being weird and a secret, that isn’t true either. Ask for a Book of Mormon and read it, cover to cover. Any member or missionary would be happy to give you a free book and answer any questions you have after having read it. I believe in Jesus Christ and God the Father and the Holy Ghost and I’m a member of the church. So……having said that, am I considered a Christian? If not then explain to me what a Christian is…….I believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon which is another testament of Jesus Christ.
      Mitt Romney is a Christian. If you don’t vote for him, do so because you don’t agree with his views for our United States, not because you don’t agree with his Christian church.

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    • SnowCypher
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 1:41pm

      How do you know that it does not exist? If nothing else, it exists enough in your mind to criticize the concept. So, as a Glenn Beck fan, who is himself a Mormon, you feel the need to dog on Mormons. Classy. Do you also urinate on your neighbor’s lawn when intoxicated?

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:32pm

      I really could care less what the heck you worship and believe in and that‘s a Ron Paul Supporter’s True Philosophy. But having a Mormon in President will be really annoying. Mormons push there religion on people more than any other religion in the world. They will force us with there ideas that we do not believe in. Btw, there is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ. And you can’t become a God. that’s just a foolish statement

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    • ImMormon
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 3:47pm

      Uggghhh… please don‘t let someone’s opinion influence your own. You don’t even know the people posting on this site… what is their credibility?

      Make your own opinion… http://www.mormon.org

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 5:05pm

      Whatever, Can you explain to me the doctrine and covenants 132? I have never heard a correct and truthful answer to that one.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:22pm

      This is why I left the Mormon church, nobody, and I mean nobody wants to talk about the bad things about the church, they would rather lie. If even one of the doctrine and covenants is wrong, it makes all the doctrine and covenants wrong and that makes Joseph Smith wrong. Nobody from the Mormon church wants to set my mind at ease? I am Mormon, I am just considered Jack Mormon because I do not tithe!! That is what I thought.

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    • joel228
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 3:54am

      West Coast Patriot, can you explain to me how Abraham can have 3 wives and be held up by Jesus as inheriting his thrones in heaven and being a man of righteousness? Same for his grandson Jacob who is Israel and the father of the 12 tribes through 4 different wives. Yet Jacob saw God. Moses who regularly communed with God had at least two wives that we know of. The prophet Nathan while scolding King David also told him that God gave David his many wives yet with Bathsheba he committed adultery.

      If you can explain how the polygamous prophets of old can be exalted by God and praised by the Son of God then maybe you can begin to understand section 132 of The Doctrine and Covenants.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:34am

      Joel228, My understanding of scripture tells me that Christ came and changed the bible of old and made anew. Christ said that if you looked at another with lust in your eyes, you have already committed adultery, even if you have not acted on it. You see I am a home based faith disciple. We read the old testament as a history book and a book of prophesy. We see that Christ came and changed everything. After Christ, there is no permission to do the things that were of old. It is like, in the old, you could eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud. Some had split hoof but did not eat the cud, some ate the cud but did not have split hoof etc…. This was to protect people as they did not have the means to keep these meats from spoiling easily. Because of the day, they had to refrain. Today, that does not stand as we can keep these meats safe. That may be a bad example, but the true meaning is there. Christ said an eye for an eye does not stand as we should love our enemies and forgive their trespasses. If they hit us on the right cheek, turn the left cheek. It was not that way in the old testament. So what is your point??

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    • ksmike
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 2:35pm

      Actually, nowhere does it say in LDS scripture that God lives on Kolob (except in anti-Mormon rags). The Book of Abraham (in the Pearl of Great Price) says Kolob is the nearest star to God (Abraham 3:13, 16). We actually believe He resides somewhere. What a concept! He actually exists! Otherwise he would either not exist or would be an ethereal entity encompassing the entire universe (and possibly several other dimensions). Unless you believe he lives somewhere else. Like here? I like to believe we were created in His image and he exists somewhere.

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    • joel228
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 6:06pm

      West Coast Patriot, you ask what my point is? Are you kidding me? What is your point? I can turn your own argument against you. Jesus said he came not to destroy the prophets and the law but to fulfill them. Christ gave the law to Moses. He also gave the ten commandments to Moses which included “thou shalt not commit adultery. Read Numbers chapter 12
      http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/num/12?lang=eng

      You will see that even though Moses already had a wife (daughter of Jethro) he took an Ethiopian also as a wife. He mother and brother objected and were struck by God. Why would God strike anyone objecting if Moses was committing adultery?

      What you need to learn from your own example is that when God commands you need to obey. He does not always give the same commands to all people. Only Abraham (who had three wives and children from all) was commanded to take the life of his son from Sarah. If anyone else attempts that they are murderers. If I wanted to take a second wife without that being a commandment to me I would be committing adultery. That is the case with all the apostate groups that want to use Joseph Smith or any other prophet (including Old Testament ones) to marry multiple wives. Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses and others were NOT adulterers and Moses carried the plates that said “thou shalt not commit adultery”. God has revoked the Law of Moses, he has halted the practice of blood sacrifice and also has revoked the practice of polygamy. Need prophets? You bet.

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  • Catfish
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:01am

    Will Romney use Muslim faith to show Obama for what he is, Being Morman is no different from being Baptist or Methodist or any other Church except the Lords Church. If you have studied you understand that Satin has churches (many) 2nd. Co. 11-14 and 11-15 he has preachers also.

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  • LikeMothsToFlame
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:01am

    While the Obama campaign vows to never bring the “Mormon issue” up, they have no problem delegating it to their liberal media friends. This has been, and will always be the scheme of President Obama.

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    • mfrad17
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 4:33pm

      Amen to that. It’s interesting to me, that Obama’s affiliation with the good Reverend Jeremiah Wright, didn’t get his butt thrown into the fire. It’s just one big shell game. All the liberal media has to do is to keep people’s attention on Romney and his past, as not to have anyone drudge up any of Obama’s very secretive records………that have been sealed I might add. Is it just me, or is having your records sealed an admission of guilt. If he was squeaky clean, then there would be no need to lie and do everything in your power to keep people from exposing you for who you really are. I must say, Romney is not my first choice, but he’s got to be better than the Marxist dictator that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, right now. You hate to vote according to the “lesser of two evils”, but that’s essentially what it is. If only we could get a candidate that the AMERICAN people like. When I say American people, I mean hard-working, gun-toting, god-fearing taxpayers of this country, not the sense of entitlement, non-working, illegal alien payoffs that the current administration relies on to get them re-elected kind of people. Those are the people that should not be given the same rights as those that have help keep this country afloat for the past 200 years.

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  • biohazard23
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:59am

    Well, gee, is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear s*** in the woods? Are liberals morons? Then yes, the Obummer campaign will do it and there will be nothing covert about it.

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  • HorseCrazy
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:57am

    yes aren’t we strange being held to a strict moral code? weird right that we don’t twist in the wind with the newest of worldly trends? of course the obama campaign won‘t need to use Romney’s religion, the media will do it all for him. Maybe we should have them investigated for “free” campaign donations since they are a for profit industry themselves that they claim to hate so much,

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  • barber2
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:57am

    How can the Democrats claim that Mormonism is weird when they have Harry Reid in charge of the Senate ? Oh. Never mind !

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  • DrFinch
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:57am

    Will the Obama Goebbels network overtly use Mormonism to sink Romney again?

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 11:17am

      Exactly. The Old Democrat Character Assassination Squad will be armed and ready ! Never miss a chance to sling some mud and hope some will stick. Hey, what‘s a reputation worth when you’ve been schooled in the Alinsky Method ?

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    • SnowCypher
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:15pm

      Mormons have been in elected office in the U.S. government since 1904 when Reid Smoot was finally seated in the United States Senate. Several Mormons have served in the President’s cabinet, starting with Ezra Taft Benson as U.S. Secretary of Agriculture to President Eisenhower. George Romney, Mitt’s dad, was Secretary of Housing and Urban Development during the first Nixon term..Mike Leavitt was Secretary of Health and Human Services during the second term of George W. Bush.

      Most arguments against Mormons in public office are old news and really not worth discussing. But such nonsense is of great interest to unhappy people with low IQs and too much idle time on their hands, no doubt why the Democrats keep trying to recycle the same old nonsense again and again.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:53am

    They will definately try to use his Mormon faith against him. I think it will backfire on them in a big way though. Mormons do a heck of a lot of good in the world. Maybe it will give the right an excuse to delve into Barry’s religious beliefs with impunity.

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:58am

      Barry has religious beliefs ? Other than Marxism ?

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    • Athinkerinaseaoflibs
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 12:37pm

      @ Gonzo
      As a convert to the LDS church I have always believed that the people of the church are on the side of good. That is one thing that attracted me to the church

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    • LibertyOrDeath12
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 2:29pm

      Mormons believe they can become Gods and they believe in more than one God… CRAZY!

       
    • ashestoashes
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 4:23pm

      @LIBERTY I have studied most religions and when I find something not right with that religion according to the Bible..I walk away.. I walked away quickly with the Momons.
      As for there being more than one god..I wouldn’t sing a song at church once because it said God was greater than any other god.. Of course I was livid that they would sing such a song and the Baptist church members told me yes there are other gods..little g.. Of course there is the god of this world ..Satan..and then the third of the angels who were kicked out of heaven..Gen 6..( I believe) who had lusted after the daughters of men and married into them. That was where the Nephilim came from half man half angel and is why Noah’s flood happened to destroy them all. THey were men of renown..kings and such,but evil (King AHASEROUS or ZERXES made Jewish Ester the Queen of Pesia. It is thought that is where the Roman pagan gods came from such as the titans and Zues. Here are some videos to explain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uD6zremspQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8ZedC0DZc&feature=related
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uD6zremspQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8ZedC0DZc&feature=related

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on April 17, 2012 at 10:28am

      Liberty, It’s Mitt or Obama. Get over it.

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 16, 2012 at 10:48am

    I guess to MSNBC and the like, doing anything of what would be considered conservative and normal would be considered weird in their circles. However, that knife cuts both ways.

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