2 Killed, Multiple People Hurt in Shootout Near NYC’s Empire State Building
- Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:33am by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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The scene in front of the Empire State Building in New York on Friday, Aug. 24, 2012 after a disgruntled fired worker shot and killed a former colleague before engaging in a shootout with police, leaving nine others wounded. (Image source: Twitter user @NYCphotos)
A disgruntled fired women’s accessories designer shot and killed a former coworker Friday morning before engaging in a shootout with police outside the Empire State Building that left nine others wounded, New York City officials said.
Police shot and killed the gunman, identified as 53-year-old Jeffrey Johnson. The nine people wounded shortly after 9 a.m. on the Fifth Avenue side of the Empire State Building were expected to survive, police said.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Johnson had been laid off one year ago from Hazan Imports and targeted a former colleague, shooting the man in the head at close range with a .45-caliber pistol.
Police and investigators inspect the body of alleged shooter Jeffrey Johnson outside the Empire State Building in New York on Friday, Aug. 24, 2012. (Getty Images)
A construction worker followed the gunman as he left the premises on foot and walked toward the Empire State Building with the gun in his bag, Kelly said. The worker notified uniformed police officers stationed near the building. Kelly said Johnson pulled his gun from his bag and officers opened fire, shooting and killing him.
It was not clear if Johnson actually fired his gun in front of the building. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said some of the victims struck by bullets may have been accidentally shot by police officers during the shootout.
WABC-TV reported many of the shooting victims were hit in the lower body, including the legs.
Police surround a sheet-covered body on a Fifth Avenue sidewalk as they investigate the shooting outside the Empire State Building, Friday, Aug. 24, 2012, in New York. (AP)
A crowd at the corner of 33rd Street and Fifth Avenue in front of the Empire State Building in New York City after the shooting Friday, Aug. 24, 2012, in New York. (Getty Images)
More photos from the scene from WNYW-TV
Fox News employee Jacque Boothby said she witnessed the shooting outside the Empire State Building and counted four gunshots as she was walking on the sidewalk.
“I heard gunshots and people started running. I wasn’t sure if it was gunshots or just the normal noises of New York City. I just looked around and people were laying on the sidewalk,” Boothby said.
She said she saw a total of four people hit by bullets, including one woman who “actually fell at my feet.” She said she did not see the gunman.
After the shots, Boothby said the crowd “fled…as far away as they could get from 34th Street.”
Fox News reported tenants were allowed back into the Empire State Building at approximately 9:40 a.m.
President Barack Obama was notified of the shooting shortly after 9:30 a.m., ABC News reported.
A police source told Reuters the shooting had no apparent link to terrorism.
In this frame grab from WABC-TV, emergency personnel respond to reports of several people being shot outside the Empire State Building, Friday, Aug. 24, 2012, in New York. (AP)
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Comments (361)
moreteaplease
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:57amLet me guess, Bloomberg will hold a news conference and say that NYC gun control laws need to be even more stringent to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:09amNo, but thanks to southern states along I95, New Yorkers are shoot. The problem is the lax gun laws of Virgina, Florida, etc., the unregulated gun show sales and loop hole large enough to nullify the laws.
electrician8
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:28amencidiot, drugs are illegal down south and up in NYC, but you have a problem with that too Jackarse.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:29amencinom
Report Post »So NY, NY is a victim of other states’ commerce and rights? Wow. Criminals are traveling south, LEGALLY buying guns and then returning to NY? Sure they are….
NOT A CRAZY
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:30amNice try Encino. That is why Mexico has a crime issue also right? You are such a Leftist moron. Why don’t you question why your Leftist media buddies supposedly knows that this is not terrorist related within seconds yet they are willing to throw out completely false accusations about some psycho shooter being right-wing without any proof at all?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:30amOh please Enicom. Even prisoners in prison can get firearms if they really need them. Your utopia is, like all utopia’s, built on a fool’s dream and nonsense. Take your control agenda somewhere else, or at least let one of your other boilerplate operators log on to your account for a while.
Report Post »cardhuu
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:33amENCINOM Your a fool if you think lax gun laws are the cause of this!
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:34amLOL Encinom, I think its time to change your pad, you sounds bloody stupid
Report Post »freemarketMN
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:39amEncino…..you forgot to mention the possible gun sale involvement of the Obama justice dept. “You didn’t buy that gun…government helped you do that!”
Report Post »qzak491
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:49amAll these recent shootings are brought to us complements of the government. They are building a case to take away our guns for our own “safety”.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:50amencinom
Report Post »Appears to be a disgruntled employee with crap coping skills.
Should we outlaw firings/terminations from jobs? Maybe we should outlaw crazy people. Sure will be lonely out here in the wilds and I’ll miss some of you silly bastards.
MAYBE the man lost his job from some action taken in VA or FL…. Damn you, southern states!
Crap day, crap event, crap speculation… but let’s all play in the mud.
Female
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:51amToo much soda and not enough mother’s milk?
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:03amOnce again a shooting in a “Gun Free Zone” which is code for “Hey criminals you are free to use your gun with no interference.”
Report Post »justlildon
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:08amYeah, Encinom that’s really believable. People would leave New York, buy guns, realize that going south means lower taxes, more jobs, and lower cost of living, and actually return to NYC. Sounds reasonable.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:15amI guess the truth is to hard for the simple minds of the Blaze to understand. The majority of guns get into NY from states where the guns laws are lax along the I95 route. http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-new-york.pdf http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-01/news/31112098_1_gun-laws-gun-limit-crime-guns
Guns don’t magically appear, guns are legally purchased down south and resold on the streets of NY. The investigations of Bloomberg show that the greatest threat to national security is the gun show loop hole. Corrupt so called private dealers, will ignore the law to sell a personal arsenal, provided they have enough greenbacks. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/31/bloomberg-gun-sting-shows-purchases-background-checks/
floridareader
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:18amEncimon, so you cannot even have a mind of your own but have to repeat what Bloomberg said once: crime in NY city is caused by the lesser gun laws in the South.
Report Post »Guess what Mr., in the South we live a better life without big brother watching how criminals attack innocent people and do nothing to prevent it or punish it. In the South we look after each other and we take care of ourselves. Even Police in the South recognize that criminals do not dare to come into people’s houses because they now what they will have to face: a barrel.
And we have to defend our selves outside our houses, he have all the right to do it.
KickinBack
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:25amAccording to Bloomberg…Shooter used a .45 pistol…
Wait..what?? I thought handguns were banned in NYC!!
Report Post »black9897
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:52amVA has some of the best gun laws in the nation. I love it. It’s also a much safer place than NY. If you choose to be willfully ignorant about guns I can’t help that.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:57amOnce again encidope,
You never respond to this:
On average approx 30-50 people are killed in these types of shootings. On average about 2100 innocent people are alive because they can LEGALLY carry and protect themselves.
On average over the last 100 years 250 MILLION people are killed when firearms are confiscated or limited.
30-50 per year or 2,500,000 innocent people per year. Seems you support the latter. People with firearms ain’t the problem. BIG, out of control government is!
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:06pmUsing Obama’s own twisted logic (and actually more sound than Obama’s), Obama has this blood on his hands. If he were not so inept and had not created 20% unemployment, this would have never happened. Instead of banning guns, let’s ban economic morons, AKA Democrats, from holding office and stop the damage they do to America. Instead, Presidente’ Dumbo Ears just goes along and claims an 8% unemployment and the media doesn’t even question the numbers. Obama’s economy drove this man to do this. Oh the humanity. There should be riots in the streets … blah blah … While much of this post is intentionally and patently absurd, this is the type of logic the Democrats are using. The scary thing is people actually vote for these children.
Report Post »Yeah_Buddy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:06pmIts Obummers fault because his crappy policies led to horrible job situation so a guy freaks out because he was fired from his crappy job and no one is hiring, making him feel destitute.
Report Post »Trenaway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:07pm@encinom you cannot even think for yourself, you have to repeat what bloomberg said about it. No facts to support your argument, just like a good *******. You and Debbie blabbermouth need to get together, because both of you have no brains!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:10pmcessna152
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:57am
Once again encidope,
You never respond to this:
On average approx 30-50 people are killed in these types of shootings. On average about 2100 innocent people are alive because they can LEGALLY carry and protect themselves.
On average over the last 100 years 250 MILLION people are killed when firearms are confiscated or limited.
30-50 per year or 2,500,000 innocent people per year. Seems you support the latter. People with firearms ain’t the problem. BIG, out of control government is!
Report Post »_______________________
Respond to what, what tin foil hat, NWO, BS site did you get you stats. The 250Milion is a fantasy number of the militia types, hold up in the basements of their compounds, stroking their guns.
encinom
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:12pmTrenaway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:07pm
@encinom you cannot even think for yourself, you have to repeat what bloomberg said about it. No facts to support your argument, just like a good *******. You and Debbie blabbermouth need to get together, because both of you have no brains!
Report Post »___________________
Idiot, NRA zombie. I am citing facts, reports and investigations, that show NYC deaths and gun violence is thanks to states like Virginia with lax gun laws. While you continue to spew NRA BS.
Benjamin Jarvis
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:23pmEncinom,
Who cares where the guns come from?!?! Why is that an issue?
The reason people get shot in NYC is because of lax gun laws in other states…OK buddy.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:34pm@EC
Guns are purchased LEGALLY in VA and other places (which is a horrible argument trying to say it’s other places fault), the vast majority of guns being used by criminals to harm others are obtained ILLEGALLY. If it was true that gun laws =safe then Detroit, NY, D.C., L.A., Chicago would be the safest places on earth.
What part of the criminals will have guns no matter what don’t you understand? Please go talk to some guys on death row who have used guns to harm others. Ask them if the law ( which is just the opinion of some bureaucrat) magically stopped them from harming people. If you are thick headed I can’t help you. I can’t fix stupid.
Putting all those facts aside, what right do you have to tell me that I shouldn’t carry to protect myself?
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:44pmI am a white European American. Why does the name Jeffery Johnson sound like a Hoodie name? If this shooting had happened in Harlem would it even have been news? Was the weapon used an Eric Holder Fast and Furious weapon and were the bullets Government hollow points? What part of this attack did the Federal Government have? What would have happened if the Police were not armed? What would have happened it some New Yorkers were armed in the street. Gun Control does not work. The only thing that works is people who are trained in the use of guns and armed with guns.
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:46pmWill Bloomberg order his body guards to disarm? No guns means no guns, Mayor.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:54pmMonicne, the 250 million figure seems to be high, but it is in the same order of magnitude as the actual figure — 100+ million during the 20th century.
List of the toll in the countries where firearms were outlawed.
65 million in People’s Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan (during Soviet puppet regime)
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
12 million In Nazi Germany and occupied countries.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:59pmWhat is the point of notifying the prez? How could this happen in a “gun free” zone? If the construction worker was armed could he have stopped further carnage???????
Report Post »Sorry, I shouldn‘t be doing other people’s work…Like the free press’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eblaze44
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:03pm@ encinom guns nor gunshows shoot people – people used guns to shoot people. would it have been better if he’d used an axe? would we then ban the sale of axe’s. and tell me why the police were shooting before the man even had the gun out of the bag – and are they such poor shots that bystanders get hit?
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:06pmENCINOM
Report Post »Are there any other Constitutional rights you would like to eliminate other than the 2nd Amendment?
Twobyfour
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:08pm000degrees, actually, 2 dead, one of them the attacker, the other was intended victim, I presume. The rest was wounded courtesy of NYPD sharpshooting mad l33t skillz.
Report Post »Oldtimer2
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:13pmBloomberg won’t be happy until no one is allowed to carry a gun except his own security people and no one has a salt shaker or a soda-pop in NYC except him. Who died and made him king of NYC anyway. I seriously think he’s a taco and a burrito short of a combo plate. Have the people of NYC been so dumbed down that don’t recognize bat-sh—t crazy when they see it? To Encinom: Bless your heart, thinking things through is just not your strong-suit.
Report Post »Silversmith
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:25pmOkay this time for the cheap seats –
Population + stronger gun laws = fewer guns to point at people
Criminals + stronger gun laws = fewer guns pointed at them
All you do with legislation is raise the amount of violent crime in the country.
Silversmith
Report Post »OpinionatedNation
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:32pmGun control, gun rights and plenty of other conspiracy theories will transpire from this story once again. It’s a tragic story of a guy who was angry, but it will turn into something more, I am sure. http://www.theopinionatednation.com/2012/08/24/another-mass-shooting-let-the-conspiracy-theories-begin/
Report Post »endthemindlessspending
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:42pm@ENCINDOPE
When do you blame the morons that are shooting at people? They will always find a gun somewhere thanks to the black-market. Thats right though it is the persons fault for selling them the gun not the person shooting it.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:42pmAhhh…sorry.
Report Post »Did the dog and cat survive???????
NeoFan
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:45pmEncinoman if you dont like living in a country where a man has a god given right to posses firearms then you should be looking to relocate to the Utopia of Europe. Your God is about to get tossed out in the upcoming election and before long the Tea Party takeover of the country will be complete. If you dont like the country now you will really be unhappy when liberty is restored to the common man. Someday soon all law abiding New Yorkers will be allowed to carry a firearm along with the criminals.
Report Post »grimmster
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:55pm@enciloon.stfu idiot.
Report Post »As for this shooting, it didnt happen because new york has stringent gun laws………..
Coltkidd45
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:56pmWhen will people like Encinom learn that laws DO NOT protect people from lawbreakers! If that were the case there would be NO CRIME.
Report Post »I carry a gun because policemen are too heavy.
NSDQ
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:05pmBan All Guns!!! Because there were never any horrific acts of violence ever committed before the gun was invented…oh yeah wait a min… :\ Encinod0uche leave the thinking to the grown ups ok dont hurt yourself
Report Post »Duddio
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:06pmApparently, a majority of injuries occurred due to the lack of police gun control. Gunman shoots one…. police shoot….. NINE?
Report Post »MetalPatriot
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:36pmMorteaplease…my sypathy goes out to the victims, yet I also agree with your point.
To: Everybody
Why do you waste effort or time on Encinocom and his other screen names? He’s obviously a planted troll. Ignore it and it loses it’s power. He has the power over most of you because you play his game.
Report Post »BryanB
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:42pm@encinom
You can not come to Florida a buy a Firearm, unless you you have a Florida ID, and that even at Gun Shows……..
Report Post »markinidaho
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:02pmNo sir! This did not happen, it is completely impossible! In New York City, it is ILLEGAL for someone other than a police officer to have a gun, and it is ILLEGAL for someone to shoot people like this. I tell you, New York City has GUN CONTROL, and this kind of thing is simply impossible. This story is a HOAX. It could not have happened.
Report Post »John_Free
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:09pmencinom, you are a symptom of the distorted thinking that is destroying America.
The dark side has done an excellent job brainwashing the masses, after-all, we did elect Obama…
Report Post »Airbornedevildog
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:24pmProbably, but its almost impossible to carry a gun legally in NY. But if someone was armed it would have ended faster.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:24pmIf the Government hadn’t built the roads and subways in NYC this might not have happened.
“You didn’t shoot that… someone else shot that.”
Report Post »chalkdust
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:25pmencontinent
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! Ha ha aha aha aha ha!!!
“No, but thanks to southern states along I95, New Yorkers are shoot. The problem is the lax gun laws of Virgina, Florida, etc., the unregulated gun show sales and loop hole large enough to nullify the laws”.
You got that from a Law & Odor episode. And gun shows, Really. Tired old “arguments”, if they even qualify as arguments. And by “lax” gun laws you mean people are allowed to buy firearms after the waiting period and background check. And taking guns across state lines without registering and going through the proper paper work is illegal. But criminals don’t care about laws do they.
Gun control advocates willfully over look the obvious fact that gun control laws only effect law abiding citizens and criminals couldn’t care less about your stupid laws.
As far as I am concerned you can stew in your own mental disorder. We will continue to defend the second amendment, ourselves and oust politicians who get infected with your disorder.
I believe in gun control….both hands firmly on the grip!
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:26pmHey encinimoron, if the truth be told, if NY had conceal and carry 9 other people would not have been wounded, but one perp would have been dead. Take a look at Chicrapos strict gun laws, and gee guesse what, more and more gang violence and killing every single day. Strict gun laws infringing upon the rights of honest citizens hinder honest citizens from properly protecting themselves.
Report Post »arckangjell
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:36pmencinom
Report Post »newyorkers are shot because they do not shoot back
joe.finney
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:40pmNYC,DC,Chicago are proof that disarming the law abiding citizen leaves two groups with guns. The criminal and the Gov. Like I said before they are both the same. They both want to make you do something. They both are out to take whatever they want from you, as often as they want. They are not afraid to take your life if needed. Since I am afraid of both, I am armed. When guns are outlawed, I may well become an outlaw too.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 3:45pmhttp://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/?ref=auto
Report Post »crashaxe
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:41pmWell what do you know, another shooting in a “Gun Free Zone” in a city with severely restricted private gun ownership. Wow that’s surprising.
Report Post »RedheadedStepchild
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:46pm@ encinom Yeah..that’s the problem. Not crazy people.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:10pmA few facts ENCINOM does not want to talk about.
Blacks make up 12% of the US population, and commit 50% of the nations shootings. That also means that around 50% of those murdered are black males, and ENCINOM does not want that trend to slow down.
Gun Show guns are less than 2% of the guns used in crimes.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities
Report Post »Copper Catfish
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:23pmThere is only one way that Encinom can have all of this knowledge, and that would be direct involvement in the purchase and smuggling of guns into New York! Otherwise, how could he possibly know how it is done?
Report Post »What a maroon!
Walkabout
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:34pmmuffythetuffy
“Why does the name Jeffery Johnson sound like a Hoodie name?” Given that Jeffrey us a common first name & Johnson is common surname, where were you going with this?
This a job performance or RIF issue. Race might have unfairly played a part, but we know squat at this point in time.
All I think that I know is that a person was out of a job, probably out of unemployment & at the end of their rope. They didn’t care anymore &b they were going to take someone with them.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:45pmAnd that’s why so many people die at gun shows. It took this moron a YEAR after being fired to qualify to buy a gun in these southern states? If I wanted to I could illegally buy a gun any time I wanted to. I’ve considered it, so the guberment wouldn’t know I had one.
Report Post »myway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:56pmOnly 50 people died in Chicago last week. How many died in NY? I think this is Obama’s fault he does have a war on business and bosses. The gun did nothing the idiot on the end of it pulled the trigger. Sorry someone died over a job.
Report Post »Redfor
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:17pmThe problem isn’t lax gun laws… The problem you have a idiot with a firearm. If a firearm is responsible for deaths, then pencils are responsible for mispellings. Either way you look at it… If a person is wanting to kill or do harm to someone, they’re going to do it.. Firearm, sharp knives.. pointy sticks.. . Oh.. Last I remembered… Murder is against the law as well… The gunman didnt seem to care about that law either..
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:30pmEncino…Why don’t you address the fact that the all of the wounded people and one of the dead guys were more than likely shot by NY cops?
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 6:52pmAnybody notice where these two angry homos worked? A women’s clothing distribution house. One more thing; I just saw this tragedy on the 6:30 abc cast. The graphic showed a black man doing the shooting, but I saw a dead white guy with a suit lying on the sidewalk. What’s up with that? Can anybody clarify that for me? ( I don‘t like the vibes I’m gettin’ from that. I hope I’m wrong.)
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:01pmHold on now, gang. Encinom does allude to a legitimate issue with regard to legal vs. illegal gun purchasing: Straw purchases. This is a practice I have a problem with. Hell, I’ve seen Hispanic fellows in local gun stores drooling over handguns and then attempt to obtain said handgun by sending in their fat, white girlfriends to purchase the pistola in question. Thankfully, gun dealers aren’t generally greedy, stupid morons. Being a greedy, stupid moron tends to put your legal ability to trade in firearms into questin. But, hey, didn’t we just have this exposed as okay with the current US DOJ and the ATF? It seems your moment of high dudgeon is misplaced as there is no indication the nut in this instance is an example of your knee-jerk assumption.
Report Post »Come on, be honest. You’re disgusted by ANY civilian gun rights/ownership. Isn’t it odd that progessives pine for a neo-feudalism? Hell, I’ve equated much of leftism/progressivism to nouveau feudalism ever since I stopped carrying water for the left. Ah, memories…. So are you are knight for the cause… or just another peon?
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 7:13pmENCINOM, once again you prove to the world that you are a complete idiot. Enough already, you made your point, you’re a pathetic moron, we get it.
Report Post »CharlesMartel
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:41pmBloomberg advocates the same level of gun control as Nazi Germany and the the states with “lax gun control laws” are to blame for all the guns in New York City? [end sarcasm]
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 3:39amGuns don’t kill people. Abortion does! Oh yeah, and Big planes flying into trade center towers killed thousands…
Report Post »termyt
Posted on August 25, 2012 at 9:10am.45 caliber? No one needs a bullet that big! We should ban everything bigger than 9 mm. Anyone who has anything bigger is just violent. If you really care about people and peace and doves and such, then you wouldn’t have a gun that could reliable stop a human with one shot!
He shot what, 10 people? Who needs to have that much ammo on hand? We should regulate and report on anyone who buys more than 6 rounds.
Report Post »Smokepole
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:57amThere is no way possible that this happened… Guns are illegal in NYC>
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:04amCops carry guns so guns will never be ‘illegal’ in NY, NY. Cops have no more rights than me or you, just agents of the state as opposed to ‘subjects’ of the state. Disarm the state (NOT the military) and I may switch to the bow and sling. ‘Til then, if the state’s packing heat, I’ll keep my little collection.
Report Post »Remember, NY state also gifted us with the wonderful R lion, Peter King, who also wants to take away the citizenry’s right to bear arms. Go figure.
kchercmech
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:26amI agree. I was under the belief that when guns are outlawed there will be no violence of any kind. Bloomberg and his ilk said so. How did this happen in NYC – his city? I argue he or the Police gave the gun to the baddy – how else could this be explained?
I got it! – Under his gun laws – bad guys with guns are not the threat – only LAW ABIDING citizens are a threat when armed. SOOO – A law abiding citizen shot people illegally. ?Wait? Wouldnt that make the armed citizen a criminal? And if he is a criminal, wouldn’t he no longer be concidered a law abiding citizen – who was armed? And since he is now a criminal, he obviously would never break the law – so how did a criminal get a gun in Bloombergs city?
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:44amThat is the same thing I thought. The shooter must have been a police officer since they are the only people in NY City that can legally have a gun. We all know NO CRIMINAL would break the law and illegally have a gun in NY City. Bloomberg NOW NEEDS TO DISARM THE POLICE. Since no criminal has guns there is no need for the police to carry guns either.
Report Post »P.S. For those of you that didn’t get it this is sarcasm.
lukerw
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:59pm… and… Police… who are here to Serve & Protect… would never Shoot bystanders!
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:55amI said it before and I will say it again….there will be a shooting like this every week now and I will go as far as to say the shooter will always be a middle age white guy. Watch and see…..
Report Post »s.n.
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:10amWhat do you mean “will be”….its already happening.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:19amAnd who are you implying is at fault? It’s a conspiracy?
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:21amAnd it will continue….after all didn’t Homeland Security say that we need to be on the lookout for “Domestic Terrorists” and the “Lone Wolf” style attacks. Watch and see how the anti-gun activists use this and all the upcoming incidents that will be happening. After all….they can’t let a good crises go to waste….especially if the crises are designed for that specific purpose.
Report Post »electrician8
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:25amI would not surprise me one bit if there was not some kind of trick like that up Obummers sleave. I mean, he brought us cronnie capitalisim and fas and furious.
Report Post »Female
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:00amMiddle age white guy? and weekly? huh?
So, all these years of driveby shootings. also, known as their “workplace” btw perpetrated by tax avoiding employees of ganglords, now it has spread to “workplace violence” by MAWGs…hmmm. Is murder based on race? Seems to have been around for, oh, about 6,000 yrs of known history with Cain’s “workplace violence” (farmer produce against rancher stock) against Able’s success!
Report Post »nhawk
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:11ammsn.com reported that,
“The gunman, Ali Abu Kamal, was taken to the hospital, where he died more than five hours after self-inflicting the fatal wound.”
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:54amshooter dead, either security of some sort shot the shooter or it what? No concealed or open carry in New York a city without guns. The BIG GULP made me FAT … THE GUN made ME Kill
Report Post »zipzap
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:20amElequently worded. I like it. . . and the RICH GUY made me LAZY.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:54amI’d love it if an armed citizen was the one who stopped the crazed gunman. That would be sweet. Hope all the innocent people recover.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:37amcouldn’t happen in NYC. law abiding citizens are stripped of their right bear arms in that bastion of communism.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:52amProbably shot by a celebrity – they are the only ones granted gun privileges in NYC.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:10amIn the liberal Utopia law abiding citizens are public enemy number one. Incidents like today are the predictable result of this.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:13pmIf an armed citizen stopped the shooter but using a fire arm I guarantee the citizen would be immediately arrested. By order from Nanny Bloomberg.
Report Post »travlman77
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:54amNYC and Chicago, 2 places with some of the most restrictive gun laws in this nation and are some of the deadliest cities for gun crime. Chicago has 13 people shot in a 30 minute period yesterday. Gun laws mean nothing to the lawless. Stop treating people like kids and restricting the law abiding making it easier for the lawless to take advantage of
Report Post »Smokepole
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:56amDitto!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:14amLiberal argument is
The NYC, Chicago & Washington D.C., because bordering areas have laxer gun laws & can be imported. Therefore their fix is to make guns uniformly unattainable. There will not look at statistics at how many crimes guns in the hands of law abiding armed citizens prevent. They will not collect such statistics purposely making it harder to argue such facts. they will merely repeat their mantra of guns leaking into their gun free zones for other areas.
Similarly, France‘s answer for its’ economic woes were for all Eurozone countries to tax at a high rate. It had a beef with Ireland for its’ lower tax rates. It wants to harmonize taxes at a high rate instead of a low rate. Therefore people cannot vote with their feet. France only did as well as they did in the last 1/2 century because they played a currency manipulation game of devaluing their currency. Impossible to do when they use the Euro, therefor the harsh rhetoric from the French Socialists. They see the writing on the wall.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:15amTrav,
And where are your statistics on NYC crime?
“Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,245 murders in 1990. In 2009, the low would be displaced. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime.[13]”
Report Post »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:18amAlso, while Chicago‘s homicide rate is higher than NYC’s, homicides have declined a lot, to almost half of what they were in 1990:
Report Post »1990: 851
2011: 433
Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:34amHere’s a stat for you Publius – Kennesaw, Georgia. The following is from a 2007 World Net Daily article:
In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker, or defender.
Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.
Report Post »00100111
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:42amWikipedia? Seriously?
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:09pmWorld Net Daily . . . seriously? Joe Farah’s rag? Even Ann Coulter called him a “publicity whore” and a “swine.”
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:34pmYeah, okay. Discount 25 years without a single gun fatality because I quoted an article from a news source that liberals don’t like. Liberal logic. Wango, you’re a hopeless fool.
Feel free to research Kennesaw yourself. The facts are the facts, whether MSNBC will discuss them or not.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:52pm00100111,
I used Wikipedia to find the statistics, but they come from FBI reports. The sources are cited–feel free to follow them.
Wool-Free,
I would like to see the year to year statistics for those cities. Regardless, it hardly makes sense to compare a city with over 8,000,000 people in it to a town with 28,000 in it.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:26pmWell, let’s do the math. 8,000,000 is roughly 28,000 times 30. So, we take the total number of gun fatalities in Kennesaw and multiply that by 30 and… oh, it’s still zero.
Sure, perhaps zero IS a bit unrealistic for NYC, but I have no doubt that gun fatalities would decrease drastically in NYC if the criminals were convinced that their intended victims were armed and prepared to shoot back. It’s not just common sense, Kennesaw as a case study proves it to be fact, whereas mass shootings in “gun-free zones” like Va. Tech, the movie theatre in Aurora, and the army base at Ft. Hood prove that “gun-free zone“ actually translates to ”target-rich environment.”
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:28pmPfffft. Meant to say 300 times zero, not thirty. Durr.
Report Post »biffo
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:54amThe obama press will turn this into a gun control/bash the teaparty/appaloooza as always. We have them on that one now…They can’t lie without being called out. Broomberg will have the ESbuilding closed down…Oh, and don’t forget…no information yet but, certainly not a terrorist, no way, no how.
Report Post »NYC has had it, it’s days have passed, the libs have ruined it. Can’t wait for the riots!!!
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:58amHow can they? NYC has a No Gun Period policy. They are the ultimate in a disarmed citizenry. You simply cannot carry a firearm in NYC without being a government agent or somebody with millions of dollars and deep political connections, which is Leftist Nirvana regarding firearms. They try to make it out for gun control, they’ll find it turned back around on them with more force than they can imagine, rhetorically speaking.
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:52amI really don’t car if where it is at … this is another hype story because of where it is at.
Report Post »You could have multiple stories on shootings ever day; most of which center around drugs
Spankster
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:21pmI agree,if this had happened here in Detroit nobody would care,it would be an everyday thing.Everyone considers NY,NY. to be the Place.I think it’s nothing to brag about.And yes,I’ve been there more times then I can count,the streets are filthy,the people are VERY RUDE at best,and traffics a bit..ch.
Report Post »dbilton
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:52amThere are reports that the name Brian Ross have surfaced. He may or may not be the shooter, he also may or may not be the same ABC reporter. That also may have just been made up…
Report Post »NYC will probably need to get even stricter gun laws, like normal citizens can‘t say ’gun’ or think about owning a gun… And criminals really, really, really can’t have guns…. we mean it this time!
dacorvi
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:06amThat is so funny! I love it. Well said!
Report Post »JoesyWales1
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:52am“We must reject the idea that every time a law is broken, society is guilty rather than the
Report Post »lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable
for his actions.” – Ronald Reagan
mwood65
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:08amVery well said.
I agree fully but just try to get people to take responsibility for their own actions…..good luck!
I am going to invent a new term here today: “Personal responsibility” ! Well it’s not actually new but since people have forgotten about it I will just throw it out there again with the off chance that somebody remembers it……
Report Post »blazingaway
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:51amSo many of these shootings remind me of the shootings we had in the days of Al Capone and prohibition.
We know have the same thing because of drugs.
The only way we are ever going to reduce the extensive crime surrounding drugs is to treat it like alcohol.
We have to stop spending all of this time and money and turning otherwise harmless people into criminals because of a mistake they make to use drugs.
We have to let them die or make treatment available to those who seek it.
We have to stop creating a sense of fear and making others into a criminals for helping someone on drugs, but could be caught with drugs because the drug addict brings them around or leaves them.
There are too many problems with drugs for any government to resolve short of a police state and tyranny; which will only lead to civil war. You’re seeing the makings of one or the others. I’ve watched it evolve for 40+ years and Bill O’riely is dead wrong on this issue
Report Post »TXGal
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:00amThis is a shooting not about drugs.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:07amAmen.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:07amTotally agree. The problem is that many Conservatives stop being for small government and individual responsibility when it comes to a harmless, easily grown and prevalent weed found in North America. When those sprout up, it becomes Hammer Time and all pretenses of rule of law and civility and small government and individual responsibility dry up and blow away. Kind of how like the Left is all into “leave my body alone dude!” until it comes time to make something and sell it, and then they think that they own you lock stock and barrel.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:22amTXGal
Report Post »The ‘war on drugs’ accounts for almost ALL of the violence on our southern border. Hispanic gangsters aren’t killing to smuggle people; they’re killing to smuggle drugs. If you’re from TX, you should know this. Much of our domestic violent crime in the U.S. is related to a combination of mental illness and/or substance use (including the manufacture and distribution of both illicit and ‘legal’ drugs). There is no great logic leap to assume that drugs may have been involved. ANY statement on this event is speculation at this point, but the law of probability is on Blazingaway’s side.
The ‘war on drugs’ sucks both your money and rights. It as an authroritarian denial of irrepressible human behavior. The stark reality is you can’t save everyone from themselves and some people will ALWAYS choose escapism over industriouness. Provide education, save those who wanna change and indulge those who wanna destroy themselves. But facing reality is sometimes too ugly for the faint of heart and the busybodies, yes? “The children! The children!! The children!!!”
And lets not forget the money and power the ‘war on drugs’ allows the state and complicit cronies.
You wanna know why there is a drive for a ‘war on food’? It’s a natural progression with the busybodies and authoritarians who will save you from yourself… whether you like it not.
Having worked with junkies in my career, I know most don’t wanna be saved, only left alone.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:37amAnything that is declared illegal automatically becomes more expensive, profitable to sell and is controlled by criminals. This happened with Prohibition. It happens with firearms ala NY.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:42amDismayed Veteran
Report Post »There you go making sense again and pointing out the obvious….
GeorgeWashingtonslept here
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:50amHmmm, these shootings are happening way to frequent…….I’m thinking that maybe these shooters are like Obama suicide terrorist. Sounds crazy? You better believe it does. Look what is happening to our sane way of thinking…………..I can‘t believe I’m even thinking like this……..tonight I‘m going to go see Obama’s America 2016……………I’d better sit by an entrance…………….
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:20amYes, that is crazy.
Report Post »DBlo
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:38amNo, Publius. What’s crazy is that, given the alarming regularity with which these mass shootings have started to occur, you won’t even consider the possibility.
Report Post »00100111
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:49amPubicPencilDick won‘t believe anything if the govt didn’t tell him to think it.
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:18amGeorge….My thoughts too…but I’m trying to suppress them.
Report Post »Spankster
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:31pmPubliuspenileman,I think I would choose another name….Now to the point,I think Obama is responsible for this poor mans death and for the death of an innocent person,This poor man was Laid Off last year and couldn’t get his job back,must not have been a UNION job,and he must have just missed the cut when Obama created or saved 3 hundred million jobs since taking office…..wait a minute,I heard that there is an election coming up so it might be 4 hundred million jobs.Oh well,no matter,if he hadn’t lost his job due to the mishandling of the economy this would have never happened.So……it must be Obamas fault,just like it was Romneys fault that woman died of cancer.
Report Post »Radiant.Simplicity
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:50amWow how is this possible Mr Bloomberg?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:49amHow can there be any shootings in NYC since guns are banned? Can’t the perpatrators in NYC read? Oh wait, maybe it is because they don’t care what the ban says. Hmmm could it be that criminals are criminals because they ignore the law? Nahhh, nevermind couldn’t possible be that……..
Report Post »yougottabekidding
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:58amI suppose you want responsible gun owners to be able to carry in NY!
Report Post »How silly of you, we want the bad guys to be the only ones with guns that way the public will be safe!
anthonyebaker
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:49amWhere was the skittles and ice tea found?
Report Post »forthepeople
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:48amHow could this happen ‘ lefties ’ ? guns are illegal in New York City ??????
Report Post »That’s impossible, NYC has a gun law ……………
GMP
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:47amGun control works every time, eh New York?
Report Post »McNamara
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:00amI was thinking the same thing..
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:45amjust wait, MSNBC will try to say its a teaparty person, then in a day it’ll come out its a liberal crazy person, but they wont retract their statements
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:10amCorrect, if it becomes a Leftist, they’ll suddenly get soft and care worn and coo on about him having mental issues and how society is to blame and politics will disappear from the radar. As always.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:32amJumping to conclusions just like you expect from MSNBC. You’re part of the problem.
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:00pmGHOSTOFLANDON . . . Well, it looks like your knee-jerk pre-emptive whine is all wrong. What ARE the chances?
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 1:37pmLANDONJEFFERSON . . . Good news! Cooler more reasonable heads have prevailed and we now have a cogent analysis of the gunman’s motivation . . . “I wonder if Obama’s constant warfare on bosses and so forth might have led this guy to pull the trigger.” – Rush Limbaugh
Finally, an adult chimes in.
Report Post »BryanB
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:40amI thought firearms where illegal in New York City ???????
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:08amI guess the shooter didn’t read the signs. Like any criminal would.
Report Post »BryanB
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:19am@Gonzo
I hate it when they do that……….
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 11:54amI thought drugs were illegal in NYC
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:02pmWango! We agree on something!
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 2:22pmGONZO . . . I’ll take that in the spirit it is given.
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:40amProbably pissed off he couldn’t get a 32oz Slurpee.
Black?
Report Post »Wango
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 12:06pmI hear before the shooting he walked into a minimart naked.
White?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:39amIs it just me or are theses shootings becoming more and more common as the elections draw ever closer?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:33amOne doesn’t have to believe in conspiracies to note that they are becoming more prevalent, after years of dormancy, and are being reported in breathless hype by the Leftist media. They live for this crap, their agenda knows no limits, no morality, and no bounds.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:44am@ghost:
True. It could easily be a series of coincidences or copycats as well. I can never be sure anymore, and still recall the warnings of chaos being used to get people to cry out for the madness to stop. Then comes ‘never waste a good emergency’ Democratic Socialists to further clamp us into irons.
Report Post »AlcoholicMB
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:37amIsn’t the word “three” easier to type than the word “multiple”?
Sensationalism at its finest.
Report Post »Wool-Free Vision
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:56amIt is breaking news. By using the word “multiple” they avoid having to change the headline every time another victim is added. Though I completely understand and share your cynicism concerning sensationalism in media, I think this time it may be just practicality.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:09amYou beat me to it, WOOL-FREE! DRUDGE just updated the number to eight. Prayers go to families and loved ones.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 10:10amOops…..make that eight shot. “Developing stories” are exactly that……
Report Post »John 1776
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:37amNYC = Strict gun control laws.
Report Post »When the laws are strict, only the criminals have guns.
OhSuzieQ
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:50amThat’s the truth!
Report Post »chicago76
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:36amThe anarchists are still at work.
Report Post »Mr.Fitnah
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:35amShooter dead.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on August 24, 2012 at 9:55am“Reuters reported a total of two people were dead with the shooting having no apparent link to terrorism.”
Translated – peacefull muslim.
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