‘My Assassination’: Investigators Find Loughner‘s ’I Planned Ahead’ Message
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TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Authorities on Sunday charged a 22-year-old man described as a pot-smoking loner with trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing others at a political event, revealing that he had scrawled on an envelope the words “my assassination” and “Giffords.”
The discoveries at his home in southern Arizona, however, provided few answers to a shocked nation, from the victims of Saturday’s shooting rampage to lawmakers worried about their safety: What motivated the rampage outside a supermarket that killed six and injured 14?
Giffords, 40, lay in intensive care at a Tucson hospital, after being shot in the head at close range. Doctors said she had responded repeatedly to commands to stick out her two fingers, giving them hope she may survive.
Court papers filed with the charges against Jared Loughner said he had previous contact with the Democratic lawmaker. The documents said he had received a letter from Giffords in which she thanked him for attending a “Congress on your Corner” event at a mall in Tucson in 2007.
Investigators carrying out a search warrant at his parents’ home in a middle-class neighborhood found an envelope in a safe with the words “I planned ahead,” ”My assassination“ and the name ”Giffords” next to what appears to be Loughner’s signature.
An official familiar with the Arizona shooting investigation said Sunday that local authorities are looking at a possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation, said local authorities were examining the American Renaissance website for possible motives.
The group’s leaders said in a posting on their website that Loughner never subscribed to their magazine. registered for any of the group’s conferences or visited their Internet site.
The young man, who lived with his parents, was recently suspended from his community college for disruptive behavior and told he could not return until a mental health professional determined he was not a danger to himself or others.
Police say he purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack at Sportsman’s Warehouse in Tucson in November. Authorities believe he acted alone: After questioning a cab driver who drove Loughner to the grocery store, they cleared the driver of any involvement.
Prosecutors charged Loughner with one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to killing a federal employee. More charges are expected.
Loughner did not have an attorney yet. He is expected to appear in court Monday.
The federal public defender’s office in Arizona is seeking an outside attorney to avoid the appearance of conflicts of interest that might arise and plans to ask that San Diego attorney Judy Clarke be appointed to represent Loughner.
Clarke, a former federal public defender in San Diego and Spokane, Wash., served on teams that defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh, “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski and Susan Smith, a South Carolina woman who drowned her two sons in 1994.
People, meanwhile, crammed the synagogue where Giffords was a member, as well as at the Mountain Avenue Church of Christ, which lost one member in the attack and saw another one wounded.
“I don’t know how to grieve. This morning I don’t have the magic pill, I don’t have the Scripture… I can’t wrap my head around this,” said the church’s Rev. Mike Nowak, his strong preacher’s voice wavering.
Nowak said he received hundreds of e-mails from people sharing their prayers with the congregation.
Outside the hospital, candles flickered and people laid down bouquets of flowers, American flags and pictures of the personable politician they affectionately called “Gabby.”
Giffords colleagues, shocked at the violence, vowed not to let it deter them from meeting publicly, face to face, with their constituents. Some, however, acknowledged they were reviewing their security measures.
“I am very concerned about my safety and the safety of other members of Congress,” said Rep. Bobby Rush, a Chicago Democrat. “I’ve informed those who are in my midst that they should be much more vigilant.”
Rush said the climate is dangerous for political leaders, particularly for those who have supported President Barack Obama and his policies. He said he doesn’t plan to scale back any public appearances.
“We need to realize that every face in the crowd is not a friendly face,” he said.
Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Mich., said he will proceed with public meetings. “I’m not going to let some lone gunman handcuff democracy,” he said, adding he will take reasonable precautions.
Giffords, a conservative Democrat re-elected in November, faced threats and heckling over her support for immigration reform and the health care overhaul. Her office was vandalized the day the House approved the landmark health care measure.
It is not clear whether those issues motivated the shooter to fire on the crowd gathered to meet Giffords.
In a YouTube video, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords’ congressional district in Arizona.
The six killed included a federal judge, John Roll; an aide to Giffords and 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, who was born on Sept. 11, 2001 and was featured in a book called “Faces of Hope” that chronicled one baby from each state born on the day terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people.
The author, Christine Naman said: “Tragedy seems to have happened again.”
Green was recently elected as a student council member and went to the morning’s event because of her interest in government.
Fourteen others were injured, including the three-term Democrat lawmaker. Authorities said the dead included Roll; Green; Giffords aide Gabe Zimmerman, 30; Dorothy Morris, 76; Dorwin Stoddard, 76; and Phyllis Schneck, 79.
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Associated Press writers Pauline Arrillaga, Raquel Maria Dillon, Terry Tang in Tucson, Sophia Tareen in Chicago and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.
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Comments (146)
Diane TX
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:24ambjt141
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:03am
you know nothing about drugs and sorry to tell you, conservatives do just as many drugs as liberals, conservatives usually do more upscale drugs like coke and prescription meds and liberals usually use more organic like weed and mushrooms, however weed is pretty well used across the spectrum
but of course you all know exactly what your talking about about everything
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Well I, certainly know of what I speak. I worked in the entertainment industry for 25 years without “doing” any kind of drugs – although they were constantly offered to me. The Family business was destroyed by my ex-husband, by drug abuse – after 25 years of a very successful business. I am a Conservative, and “did” pot once in my life. I don‘t think that you know what you’re talking about.
Report Post »WISEPENNY
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:16amYeah, BTJ, so EFFFFFFFFFFF You and EFFFFFFFFFFFFFF DIANNE TX’s husband, too!
Report Post »That’ll teach you to stop picking on MARYSLITTLELAMB, maybe? You druggie, you.
valarie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:41amI agree. The more “ghetto” drugs are strictly the domain of Liberals. In general, Conservatives work-out or have carefully prescribed and monitored drugs if they need such.
Report Post »LiveArmedOrDie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:54amPot is not addicting. they have been trying to prove that it is for 30 years and failing at every study. WEED doesnt ruin peoples lives. Weak willed individuals that use it as a crutch ruin their own lives
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:17amLiberal Extremist Jared is an example of life without God and Christian fellowship.
Report Post »When you look to people who are filled with hate, darkness will have you.
RightPolitically
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:12amThe Left is running with this horrible story in a way designed to shut down opposing free speech to the liberal agenda. Like always, they cannot win on the issues in a fair debate so instead, they falsely accuse all who disagree with them of being HATE-MONGERS! How long will it be before Obama’s FCC moves to destroy conservative talk-radio, etc, etc? Not very!
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 4:06amThis all happened over the weekend. The heavy hitters of truth and the American way will be in full voice on Monday. The progressive media has had two “fool” days of nonsense and lib propaganda without having to defend themselves against the likes of Beck, Rush, O’Reilly, Stephen Hayes, Breitbart and Krauthammer. The fireworks start in a few hours.
Report Post »Kasey
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:11amThe right leaning pundits are speaking legitimate concernce about real problems. They have nothing to do with this. It was comitted by a sociopathic lefist agains a centrist democrat, who was listening to lefist ”rhetoric.” It doesn’t make sense to try to tie this to anybody. Sorry guys.
Report Post »snidley-whiplash
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:09amfrom the second paragraph of this article..
lawmakers worried about their safety: What motivated the rampage outside a supermarket that killed six and injured 14?
answer: LAWMAKERS
Report Post »Katayno
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:04amTo all the Liberal sheep…..with your “vitriolic ” talking points. Congressman Griffiths was once asked about her concerns for her own safety…..she bravely stated, “I have a GLock 9 mm…” So are you going to blame HER now, for making that statement and taunting that crazed lunatic to go out and buy a GLock 9 mm in Nov., to assasinate her? You can try all you want…..you can not pin this on Palin or the tea party no matter how much you try…..You are only making fools out of yourself. If every nut job went out to do the biddings of idiots on tv….Obermann would have incited someone liberal nut job to take out Rush by now.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:49amKATAYNO, You speak the truth plain and simple. Agreed.
Report Post »phil1765
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:12amWell out of the 15 people that watch olbermann only one owns a gun, and he doesn’t know how to shoot it yet.
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:51amPalin should have been more savvy then to use scope reticules to target her political enemies. She now has to pay a political price for being foolish. To any fool that thinks that Palin contributed to anyone’s death needs professional help. Glenn Beck (like a prophet that studies history) fore told that someone like this would kill a high profile government person. Then the media would immediately try to use it to try and destroy their enemies. Fox News and talk radio has exposed other media for what it is, ideologically driven propaganda. I think I will pop some corn and get real comfortable for today’s Glenn Beck program. It should be filled with past video clips of “I told you so” and a fire breathing defense of logic and truth. I can hardly wait.
Report Post »traderdan
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:03amBeginning of the bottom up? These types of tragedies are a result of people who act on anger and will only help promote the right wing agenda, they are already going to use this crisis for more control.
Report Post »mingfurecon
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:01amIt’s a tragic event to be sure, and certainly the needless loss of life by a deranged individual will be fodder for all the pundits who will exploit this for political gain. But to anyone who thinks that the forces behind the POTUS are not feverishly trying to destroy America are sadly mis-informed and lack the basic understanding of world history. To Marxists and Communists the loss of life and liberties is part and parcel of the re-building process. I would go so far as to say that the POTUS is merely a stooge being used by Soros and his minions, as well as the Chicoms. It will get a lot worse before it gets any better. Fortunately there are people like these citizens that had courage enough to limit the damage this individual might have inflicted. Dostoevsky‘s ’Crime and Punishment’ comes to mind. I am certain there are a lot more where he came from.
Report Post »valarie
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:48pmI made 5 predictions yesterday regarding this left-wingnut’s “profile” and here they are.
1. He was from a broken home.
2. He had a rabid liberal mother who emotionally castrated him at every turn.
3. If he did enlist (turns out he didn’t but there were rumors that he was at one time, in the Military) he did so to get “free” education and assumed he didn’t have to actually WORK for it.
4. That he has a long history of extremist liberalism and mental disease (same thing.)
5. He’s gay or closeted gay.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/
Look at this link with information captured before the liberal media could bury it. On at least one point I am proven right. Lets see how many more I get right after the information surfaces.
Report Post »bjt141
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:05amyou are right one way, the one about somebody being gay, it was the kid that saved giffords life
anything else
Report Post »valarie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:01amIf that is true, I’m not saying that there are exceptions to the rule (I doubt it but I don’t know for sure.) Gays tend to be Anti-American, extremist activists, from what I’ve seen. It looks to be that my assessment of this d.b. is accurate, however.
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:37amMost of the gay people I know are not political and just want to be left alone. I have met some activist gays but they are mostly outcasts in the gay community just starting trouble.
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:55amVery true Patriot,
I know quite a few gay people. Some are very honorable and some have let their journey to self discovery actually HURT them in ways that has made them pretty antisocial. The truth is they are a whole hell of a lot like us. Please don’t be a bigot.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:45pmIt’s funny. I have owned guns for over 40 years and I have never shot any living thing. I cherish my right to own firearms for self defense. What this poor sad individual did should not infringe on my rights.
Report Post »Mr. John Sauls
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:44pmGlen Welch
How quickly we have forgotten:
Oklahoma City was originally a Muslim terrorist
The DC Sniper was originally a right wing fanatic
The Olympic Park Bomber was originally an attention seeking security guard
The Dallas animal mutilator was originally a heavy metal aficionado
…The Duke Lacrosse players raped that stripper
Don’t jump to conclusions, especially if you’re in the media.
Glen Welch
News is pouring in on the shooter, this guy is turning out to a paranoid schizophrenic. According to his posts the reason for his shooting spree was the government refusing to return to the gold standard. The judge and the congresswoman’s politics had nothing to do with it, this was a lone nut job. Now to see how people spin it for their own ends.
Glen Welch
So now we know the gunman was just a madman listening to the voices in his head and all the ‘blame the rightwing’ types were wrong and rushed to judgment, think we’re going to get any apologies?
Glen Welch
I’m not blind, nor am I oblivious. I learned a long time ago never to jump to conclusions, especially where the media is concerned. He is exhibiting all the signs of paranoid schizophrenia. I’ve been to the Tea Party rallies, never been to a Tea ****** rally, I understand those are located closer to Montrose, and I have never seen anything they are blindly accused of by the far left.
Posted on my face book page.
Report Post »DarKangelAZRAEL
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:51amHere! Here!
Report Post »maryslittlelamb
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:43pmBlaze, thank you for including the description “pot-smoking loner” about the shooter. I’ve always contended drugs are dangerous, and not just for the user.
Report Post »bjt141
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:03amyou know nothing about drugs and sorry to tell you, conservatives do just as many drugs as liberals, conservatives usually do more upscale drugs like coke and prescription meds and liberals usually use more organic like weed and mushrooms, however weed is pretty well used across the spectrum
but of course you all know exactly what your talking about about everything
Report Post »maryslittlelamb
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:26am@bjt141
No, I don’t know about everything, I just know “wrong” when I see it. And you and your pot-smoking leftist cronies are wrong on so many levels. And, apparently, potentially violent.
Report Post »LiveArmedOrDie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:40amYou know nothing about weed. nothing. IF this kid was a stoner he would not of been shooting people in broad daylight. He would be smoking and worrying about what hes gonna get to quench the munchies. Drugs are bad yes. But GOD MADE GRASS…..MAN made BOOZE….who are you gonna trust……idiots.
Report Post »LiveArmedOrDie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:50amBefore you make ignorant comments about Marijuana maybe you should go look at the side effects of smoking it. NO ONE has ever had a violent side effect of any kind from smoking weed. Hell they still cant blame one death on the direct smoking of weed. But Alcohol kills thousands upon thousands every year, but its still legal…..not logical even to a 5 year old.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:52amLiveArmedOrDie
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:50am
“Before you make ignorant comments about Marijuana”
Marijuana is for losers! But to be fair, so is alcohol and all other drugs. I give way to properly prescribed drugs only. The rest of it is for LOSERS!
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:16amI don’t think libs understand what a real conservative is. If you are doing drugs, you immediately cease to be a conservative. Conservatism is a way of life, not just an ideological belief system. A conservative has never murdered another human being. The very second a conservative made a conscience decision to murder someone and made any material act to do so, that person ceases to be a conservative. Being a conservative is not easy and completely unattainable for a liberal minded person. They think a soldier defending his country IS a murderer and they can never understand the difference. You have to have a courageous, patriotic, personality that believes that their is a higher power than yourself. Your naturally driven to a moral lifestyle and put God, family, country and service to others higher than anything else. We are quick to defend the weak and pray for justice to visit those that so badly need it. Conservative Patriots drove out King George’s armies, they have shed their blood to stop communism, national socialism (the Nazis) and now the Jihad terrorists. I have spent decades serving my country and fellow man and I have yet to meet one liberal in any service that was not trying to fabricate a way to get out of the service. That is just the way it is. All of the Liberal anger is just overwhelming shame burning in a hole in your soul that you can never fill no matter what you do, say or achieve.
Report Post »ensemble
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:43pmIt is no one else’s fault that this failure of a human being did what he did. It is not because of Palin’s “reloading” comments nor is it because Obama told people “if they bring a knife, we bring a gun”. That is just rhetoric. It is because this nobody wanted to be a somebody and when school rejected him, when girls rejected him, when the military rejected him, he lashed out. He blamed the government, he latched onto the communist manifesto, he posted yammerings to make people think that he was smart. He couldn’t face the fact that he was a loser and a failure. He wanted to be somebody and he is a nobody. In his perverted mind, someone else had to pay for him being a failure. If he couldn’t build something up to be a somebody, he would tear it down. He is simply a pathetic loser with a gun.
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:57pmDo not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:25amEnsemble got it right, the dude was not at fault when he can blame outsides pressures “MADE” him do it!
Report Post »itsmyfirstday
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:41pmwhy are all the assassins on the left?? and yet they condemn the right for supporting conceal carry….how many people there had weapons??? just one…
May God be with those who were touched by this horrible incident and may all know the true evil behind this crime, the shooter and satan!!
Report Post »stang289
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:38pmcheck who she is suscribed to on you tube the shooter ? http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
Report Post »stang289
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:39pmclassit on the lower left
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:56pmThat doesn‘t make sense why would she be publicly subscribed to Jared’s channel?? Unless done after this event….If done before, it is even more bizarre…
Report Post »TheTruthDude
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:14amthat is strange. could be they knew he disliked her and wanted to keep track of him?
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:37pmOur Society needs to find a better way to supervise these unhinged people. I haven‘t seen any response from Lougher’s parents. Where are they, anyway?
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:28amThey did respond very sad and silent….
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:33pmThis Loughner creep should get the same fate as the OK City bomber. A ride on the lethal gurney! Sooner rather than later….
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:08amWe need to prepare ourselves for the anti-death penalty, bleeding heart leftists coming to this guys defense after he’s convicted of those murders.
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:17amYea Ray, I can hear it now, dysfunctional family and hazed in High School by BULLIES!
Report Post »jzs
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:31pmAs Glenn has said with Muslims, I believe that 90% of the people who post here are not going target Democrats with their guns or show up with the God loving Christian Westboro church to celebrate death of ones loved by family and friends at funerals. But I am afraid that the other 10% of you have your guns drawn, and your basement bomb factories in operation. Your hatred is turning to violence. Obama is a communist you say, and taking away your freedom (although you can‘t name a single freedom you’ve lost). So what will you do?
Report Post »Alvin691
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:42pmSmiling tyrany
Report Post »maryslittlelamb
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:50pmJZS, I can name a lot of freedoms I’ve lost to the leftists, among them freedom from being in danger of being shot by wacked out druggies. Thank God I‘ve got the power of the Constitution behind me and mine to restore sanity to my country so I don’t have to use guns. Unlike you and yours who are touting “revolution”. Shame on you and the satanic beast you rode in on!
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:01amI’ll name a freedom Obama took, the right not to be health insurance. And he’s working on taking a whole lot more.
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:05amAre lefties born stupid, or do they just form a commitment to that in later life?
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:10amMake that, “I’ll name a freedom Obama took, the right not to buy health insurance. And he’s working on taking a whole lot more.”
Report Post »prage2001
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:20amHe is not a Communist, he has many, many, many Socialist beliefs.
I can give an example of 1 loss of freedom. People can’t give away food from their gardens to friends and neighbors who want or need it because of Government regulation. If you are going to come back with ” Well, Obama didn’t specifically make that law.” then this conversation is pointless. If you believe that then Bush did absolutly nothing for the left to be mad about.
Report Post »WISEPENNY
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:40amNot a thing,JZS, not a thing! Lol. It will be another left wing liberal coward, thinking they want progressive change, scared of their own shadow, practicing their Nancy Pelosi “I’m so frightened by these bad, bad conservatives” act, go out and be a 15 minute hero for the left with another well thought out act of violence that can be spun to blame a Tea Party Conservative. Meanwhile all the very left wing radicals that made poor Nancy cry and cower in fear in the 70′s can get back out there and call for more acts of violence while the MSM completely ignores their public statements for “bottom up, top down, inside out, bust windows if you need to, but cause that chaos whatever the cost!” rhetoric! We ain’t gonna do a dang thing except finish voting the rest of you sorry liberal Dems AND fake Republicans (and we’re watching real close, Boehner) out of there, House, Senate, and Executive. We’re going to send the rest of you DOWN THE ROAD! We promise solemnly, just like Nov. 2010! We got .44 magnum VOTES and they’ll take down DONKEYS OR ELEPHANTS, either one!
Report Post »TheDHndrsn
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:49am@RAY2447… lefties are hard wired. Brains are incapable of extensive logical thought and consideration. Primary reaction mechanism is emotion based. The inability to engage in deep, rational thought makes them insecure and subject to extremist response. In a word, or small phrase, lefties are hardwired to be shallow and judgmental.
But look on the bright side. That which makes them a good leftie all but guarantees they will loose the war… any war.
Report Post »phil1765
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:53amObama isn’t a communist he is a socialist and yes there is a difference. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it most certainly is a duck.
Report Post »Ron Burgundy
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:29pmThis kid is a complete whack job The left wingers (MSM) were to quick to pin this on the tea party, Palin, Beck, And Rush. They have completely exposed how desperate they are. This will not be the last of these events, remember they have been calling for violence since before Christmas! I hope I am wrong but I don’t think this will be the last event like this…. Arm yourself and protect your family!!
Report Post »ares338
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:35pmThis was not a political act. This young man was just ticked off and reacted. A very sad and sick individual. No big agenda here except for all of the political posturing.
Report Post »sissykatz
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:59pmI am going to say this and I hope I am not out of line, and I know we shouldn’t speculate,But in the text above it said they mourned at the Synagogue so she is Jewish,And he was reading The Communist Manafesto and Mein Kampt (spelling) would this not make more sense than the Conservative radio stations and tv? Just asking
Report Post »green_manalishi
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:14amI take umbrage with your statement“ the left was quick to pin this on the right”. Better yet to say” the left tried and failed miserably to blame their oponents for the cowardly actions of one of their own, and they will continue to fail like the little racist momas boys ( no offense to mothers) that they are.” That summation punches right thru to the truth and grabs it with unreproachable authority ( the truth). And as the truth is our witness we will use it to see this craven cowardly murder and all his left wing vitriolic hate spouting supporters held accountable.
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:21am@ SassyKats
Yes, he more than likely was into Lee Harvey Oswald too who also was a big Commie supporter.. humm mak‘in more sense isn’t it.. remember the public is getting a puzzle with a bunch of pieces missing to it. All we are ever going to get is the outline pieces but never the whole picture.. That is what it is..
Report Post »Cliff
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:29pmTragedy… people need to look at the facts… facts facts facts… Stop spinning the politics on this and look at the FACTS this guy was a loser leftist communistic nazi loving wacko… had nothing to do with the conservative values of the either the tea party of the republican party and the people trying to blame the conservatives need to STFU…
http://www.mentordvd.com
Report Post »bjt141
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:00amhaha you forgot to mention obsessed with the constitution word for word and obsessed with gold and silver backing currency
it’s easy to pick and choose what you want to see
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:10am@bjt141
He was obsessed with the Constitution, silver and gold??? That is just the surface to get to the jewels of the story you got to dig a little deeper than that. He hated our currency system so he shoots up the place? That is real sanity right there (sarc.). He said he doesn’t “trust in god” like what is on our currency, that doesn’t sound to conservative to me. This guy was big into many things and didn’t think on the conventional lines we are accustom too that is for sure.
He is bad for everyone including demos./repubs.
Report Post »mharry860
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:22amYeah, no kidding word for word. “Make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts”. I had to read that several times before I got it.
Report Post »bjt141
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:26amthat was my point bullion
everyone on this site is making him sound like a leftist because he wrote something about not liking god and about like two books while he also wrote plenty of stuff that comes out of the mouth of the person who owns this site. The person is obviously a nut, most likely libertarian/anarchist if anything and just didn’t like government and wanted to kill his representative. This is why i wrote how it is easy to just pick and choose. Obviously you didn’t get that point
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:42am@bjt141
Perhaps, or he was Hell Bent on a Fantasy Communist Camp and knew he wasn’t going to get that, then decides to do the old “if i can’t have it no body can” thing… Which is not really good for Demos./repubs/and libertarians. I got your point, I just choose to counter.
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:22amBJY141, you got some sort of a problem with the Constitution? Is it offensive to you? Do you believe that people that have sworn to uphold it should also ignore it?
Report Post »republitarian
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:27pmIt was beyond assassination. It was mass murder.
Report Post »Ron Burgundy
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:44pmThis kid could probably get off if he gets the right ingredients as far as trial judge and jury goes…… he has set up an insanity plea. I think the POS should be in a bag in morgue ASAP
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:38amNope the Lawyer they got him is renown for defending the worst of the worst and none of their endings are very good..
Report Post »Bullion Luminary
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:26pmGeez….very strange this whole story with the video posts by this guy, the letters, his rambling, then his issues with a very moderate once Republican/Democrate, then for him to say he planned it as if he knew all her stances on issues and knew she was a moderate. Something is off kilter on this whole story, he should have been picked up on radar at some point. This guy was cold and calculated, his rants are all encrypted like brail on an ancient stone.,,
Report Post »blb4jesus
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:54pmWe will not profile…we will not profile… we will not profile…
Report Post »Rn mom
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:30amI agree- his youtube vids were disconnected thoughts, horrible attempts at “logical” arguments. I can’t understand why no one told him to get back on his meds.
Report Post »1776
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:22pmPeace and prayers for all.
Report Post »misterresearcher
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:22am1776 has the right idea; People were killed;among them a 9 year old baby girl born 9-11-2001. She was recently elected to student council & attended the event because of her interest in politics.
18 families, and countless friends experienced a tragedy this weekend. This is no time for speculation, but rather a time to get on our knees and pray for better things to come.
Report Post »Mister President
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:49amWow. That little girl was born on September 11, 2001? That just really strikes me as meaningful or profound or something. I don’t know. I‘m sure she’s all right now though. At least she was a bundle of joy to someone on an otherwise dark day. A very special little girl in the eyes of the Almighty.
If such a precious child can come into this world and bring someone light on such a dark day and accomplish so much in just 9 years, anything is possible. We’re going to get through all of this and be better people for it.
Report Post »silveracer44
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:20pmThat’s convenient. Why would he leave a “My assassination” letter than plead the fifth?
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:30pmOnly seems proper if he has something to hide.
Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:40pmwhat a question to ask. He went there to die. He attacked in broad daylight. Do you think they really need to plant evidence to convict him? Not everything is a conspiracy. he committed a crime, he was caught red handed, there are tons of witnesses and probably plenty of video. What need does anyone have to plant evidence??
Report Post »Lunar
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:45pmHe’s a punk dumbass thats why. He had these ideas of his own currency and this rambling thoughts as to why he was right. He probably thought they (the crowd) were gonna cheer or something, or he would be shot and killed not taken into custody. Now a lawyer has talked to him and told him “your likely going to see the death penalty” and he’s now wetting his pants at the long drawn out process of being jailed and eventually killed.
Report Post »bjt141
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:58pmBecause he was planning on killing himself but got stopped by the people around, he apparently had lots of ammo left and was planning on killing more people so he wasn’t done yet and he would have killed himself at the end had it not been for the people stopping him, that is one nice thing about this situation, for once the douche didn’t get to kill him/herself after committing the crime
Report Post »Sam I am
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:01amJudy Clarke is the defense lawyer.
Report Post »I’d be saying, “She defended Tim McVeigh, he’s dead, Ted Kazinski, he’s in Supermax, and Susan Smith, she’s in prison somewhere, I’m doomed.”
Bye, bye.
Christs_Patriot
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:12amThis response from the left is as predicable at the next tick of the clock. IF ANY representatives in D.C. had ANY BACKBONE they would be saying something like this “We need to encourage more law abiding citizens to arm themselves to defend all against madmen like this!” Think about it, if law abiding Americans were allowed to exercise their rights to keep and bear arms even on airliners (with proper low velocity ammo of course) wouldn’t that solve the “problem” we are sacrificing our rights to overcome? IF we applied and embraced our rights rather than surrendering them we would all be better off over night. OH SORRY…I was thinking like a free individual there for a minute…
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:23amHe was caught at the scene with the murder weapon and can and will be id by witnesses. Case done, case solved, sentance -death. enough said now lets get on with supporting the recovery!
http://www.josephfawcettart.com please pray for my younger brother Anthony Fawcett in England. He is dying. Had a massive heart attack and contracted H1N1, Thanks!
Report Post »Tea Party Conservatism
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:23amProgressive Socialist Democratic mindset:
Threatening Language = United States Constitution
Threatening Symbol = United States Flag
Gun Restrictions = all your firearms, none of ours
The assassin got off over 30 rounds and was in the process of loading another clip. Had properly armed citizens been nearby, he wouldn’t have even dared to brandish a weapon.
It’s really not that we think Progressive Socialist Democrats will actually behave like Hitler if freedom loving Americans are ever foolish enough to surrender their Constitutional right to bare arms; we think you will act like your heroes Stalin and Mao, who each had far more innocent people killed than Hitler ever did.
“In matters of power let no more be heard of the confidence in man but bind them down from mischief by the chains of the constitution.” Thomas Jefferson
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Why Obama is ineligible – regardless of his birthplace
Report Post »By Leo C. Donofrio, Esq.
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MrButcher
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:24aminsanity does not make sence.
please don’t try to make it…
Report Post »BiteMeBO
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:26amhttp://youtube.com/giffords2 (bottom left subscription – Classitup10)
What gives with that?
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:27amjoseph Fawcett, prayers for Anthonys recovery will be said in my house until further notice.
May God see you through this.
Report Post »cykonas
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:40amA great question, Silver, but it assumes he is SANE. Somehow I don‘t think that’s the case here.
Report Post »kkfedup
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:48am@ Joseph Fawcett, your brother Anthony is in my prayers. I’m sorry you are so far away, but our Lord will be with you and your family.
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on January 9, 2011 at 11:18pmHow will the left spin this?
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:15amAnswer, two dead. Assinated and Assissn. Period. I would have dropped him in a second. Dems refuse to carry sidearms.
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:44amI am not the only one to recgonize where the weaknness lies,
Report Post »Hug
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 1:49amTruthTalker. Where I grew up in Alaska, if we met somebody who did not own a gun (or three), we would offer to lend them a few of ours!
Report Post »Extinguisher
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:27amThe same way the right will.. by pointing fingers at something other than the nut.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 2:43amLooks like your basic post birth abortion. Typical liberal rationing of life. Just one liberal killing another liberal, doing what comes naturally. When you teach your kids it’s alright to kill defenseless babies, killing grown ups has got to be much easier.
Nothing to see here that isn’t already being done enmasse by Democrats already. Seriously, I’m not shocked.
Report Post »quiet little lamb
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 3:35amwell obviously “my assassination” and “gifford’s” point directly to talk radio and glenn beck. that’s how the left will spin it. he can’t be just an unhinged guy. He has to have political points for washington. This is sad. I stopped watching all news outlets on this story once i heard the sheriff rambling about vitriol.
Report Post »what the hell is he doing giving a 15 minute interview to meghan kelly for anyway? state the facts and get back to work!
Cuba
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 4:19amPeople, please, his favorite books were Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto, Adolf Hitler’s Minkoff ans a self proclaimed Anarchist.
Sure sounds likw a leftwing banger to me…
Report Post »jimmythebullet
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 5:53amcuba-
Report Post »you hit it.other than being a straight-up nutcase,anyone who’s favorite reading is mein kampf and the communist manifsto leans hard left.i still don’t understand how some people label hitler a right wing fascist.NAZI stands for NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKER’S PARTY.WTF?and we all know what karl marx was all about.
when will the recent calls “to action” by piven,jones etc.be factored into this tragedy,if political leanings matter at all.
River0
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 6:27amThis happened because of the invasion of illegals. Arizona’s – and the feds’ – lack of diligence regarding the border allowed this psychotic creep to walk around loose because so many resources were going to illegals. A decade or two ago, Loughner would have been hospitalized for his own protection.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 6:28amI blame FNC for giving any time and lending any credence to the left’s little hissy fit. Of course if they did not report all the left wing nutcase conspiracies then they would be accused of “covering” for the Palin shooters…But even so, by defending themselves the right is actually playing into this silly tactic. Just IGNORE it. Especially the idiots in here like Whiteteaparty for starters. Just don’t play. The Dem’s proposed retaliatory legislation will go nowhere and the lib media networks will soon blow themselves out on this just like they do every other time a liberal nut goes off the deep end and shoots someone or flies an airplane into something and they howl and scream that it is the tea party…Just do not play folks. Take a few minutes and pray for Gabby and her family. America sees through this garbage and the left are only harming themselves with these accusations. Some people are just born to be stupid and try and make trouble. That is all it really amounts to in the end, people who just want to upset the apple cart…any apple cart. They are all mentally retarded, Like Alan Grayson…Just ignore them, no need to try and beat them, they mean nothing. Like Shakespeare said, “It is a tale told by an idiot…Full of sound and fury…Signifying nothing…”
Report Post »Dont Drink Cool Aid
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 6:52amIt‘s all Palin’s fault. It almost seems as if they all had their scripts ready for this event and it will continue relentlessly until Palin decides not to run for President. It’s amazing and scary to see how coordinated their efforts are. They’re are using this to go after anyone that has a conservative “bull horn”
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:07amThis seems to be a reactive pattern with the left whenever anything of tragic proportion occurs! Didn’t the left have this near heightened reaction to the crazy Muslim shooter at the militaty base some time ago! Somehow it was because of the right that that happen too! The left seemed to be steeped in dilution and sensationalism smoke and mirror! There is nothing of any substance to tie this to the right just more vitriol and rhetoric from the crazy left.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:21amAnybody who’s favorite book is “Mein Kampf” by Adolph Htler must be a sick leftie. That book is on the top 5 list of bad reads, ever.
Report Post »Wiz001
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 7:38amPeople PLEASE, look at the situation here and the one in Omaha Ne. Both times the young person involved WAS making a cry for help and no one payed attention.. In Omaha like here, he was in trouble at school< which is common for these people before they go postal..They usually have a low self-esteem already and then they get a little push and decide that they are no longer relevent and would be better off dead, but they always want to take a few who have picked on them with them.a false sense of revenge)
We the people need to step up and help our freinds and family who may be having hard time right now.. All it takes it to ask (and really mean it) if they are in a good place? ESPECIALLY anyone you know who seem to be in a different mood these days. One days is not a concern but if it persists then there is something brewing..
We can't walk around with our heads in the clouds anymore. We need to be wake and helping our fellow man, especially since there are people like Van Jones who are telling venerable people like this, "that blood must run in the streets".. I would have to say that he (jones) should be held accountable for his words to incite a murder.. just my thoughts…
God Bless Our Troops
Report Post »walkwithme1966
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:32amThere should be no spin – this was just a disturbed young man – this is not a left or right issues and you should be ashamed for asking that question. http://wp.me/pYLB7-v9
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 8:40amThere was a time before the ACLU when families with seriously mentally ill children could petition to have their children committed to a sanitarium or mental institution. Of course now with the government running mental institutions and courts that are so political, no one would trust the court judgements or institutions anymore. Even before the ACLU, some crazies were able to roam around and assinate officials. Nowadays, we give a free pass to mentally ill people to live on the streets as homeless or involve themselves with crime and drugs. These people mostly cannot care for themselves or have criminal tendencies but refuse mental treatment. Three percent or more of the population have major mental disorders. Only a fraction of those take their medications for their mental disorder. It is one hell of a mess for the families involved and anyone close to them.
Now we have cheap politicians that take cheap shots every time one of these crazies go off and hurt hurt or kill someone. These cheap politicians blame guns or conservatives. The cheap shots serve no one except the politicians. This is their way of dodging the actual problem and with a media that is no better trying to get ratings by sensationalizing the situation.
My sincere best wishes go to Rep. Giffords and her family and to all those that were hurt or killed by this schizophrenic psycopath. Much appreciation must go to those that finally stopped this horrible event.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:09amTop US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda
A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed.
According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll [photo 2nd left] was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.
The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, this report continues, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws. The Obama administration used as support for their claim before Judge Roll, the SVR says, the seizing of all American citizens’ gold, in 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s signing of Executive Order 6102, which was ruled at the time to be constitutional.
Should the Obama administration win their argument to seize their citizen’s money by Executive Order without having to abide by the law was made more chilling this past week when reports emerged from the US stating that President Obama and his regime allies were, indeed, preparing to rule America by decree since their loss this past November of their control over the US House of Representatives, and in the words of the Washington Posts columnist Charles Krauthammer: “For an Obama bureaucrat … the will of the Congress is a mere speed bump.”
Since taking office in early 2009, Obama has completely overturned the once free United States through his use of Executive Orders that asserts his power to put anyone he wants in prison without charges or trial forever and his right to assassinate any American citizen he deems a threat.
The most chilling of these powers Obama has asserted for himself, however, are contained in Executive Order 13528 he signed nearly a year ago (January 10, 2010) creating a Council of Governors he has hand-picked to rule over the United States in place of its elected representatives when their next “disaster” strikes and orders them to begin “synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.”
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tower7femacamp
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:14amhere is the link for the tin foil comments I will get
Report Post »http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/2:2010cv02773/575272/
exdem
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:17amWas the message scribbled on the back of a Palin map or a ******??
Report Post »Tony
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:47amIf the Progressives continue the current level of spin this with all evidence pointing to the opposite of what they claim, their motive is clear, to demonize their opponents. Apparently even tragic events that takes the lives of their allies only spur them on to greater spin. Take for example the Paul Welstone (sp?) memorial a few years back. His “close friend”, Senator Tom Harken, turned the memorial into a harsh partisan political rally causing Welstone’s long time Republican peers, who came to show their respect, to leave out of disgust.
Report Post »infidelamerican
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 9:49amthe kid was an unber liberal and was pissed the congresswoman was to conseravtive. Ofcourse the liberal state run media is blaming Palin, Bush, Rush, Glen and the tea party. How about blaming the freak that did the shooting. Doesnt anyone get the fact that it is NOT someone elses fault for the actions a person takes? Not their childhood, not their parents, not the left, right, santa, god, or whom ever else in standing in the line of fire? It is his fault alone!
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 11:33am@QUIET LITTLE LAMB
My feelings exactly
Report Post »exdem
Posted on January 10, 2011 at 12:46pmWas it found in a box of teabags???
Report Post »happyboy
Posted on January 12, 2011 at 2:19amDID SAFEWAY MASSACURE ASSASIN PRUCHASE HIS EXPENSIVE GLOCK HANDGUN AFTER DEMOCRAT DEFEAT ON ORDERS FROM DEMOCRATS OR THE WHITE HOUSE?
Strange that no law enforcement agency not even Congress wants to investigate this shooting. Lets see if the Democrats can find a Jack Ruby type to kill Loughner.
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