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NC to Recommend Compensation for Eugenics Victims

North Carolina Eugenics Compensation Task Force Recommends Payment for SterilizedRALEIGH, N.C. (The Blaze/AP) — It‘s a question that has not been answered before and doesn’t have an easy solution: How do you repay people for taking away their ability to have children?

North Carolina’s Eugenics Compensation Task Force is the first in the nation to tackle that question and is set on Tuesday to recommend how much to pay victims of forced sterilization, along with whether the victims’ descendants are eligible for the money.

“If we all agree that there is no amount that restore somebody’s loss of ability to procreate, then it’s understood that the ultimate figure is an attempt to put out an active apology instead of a verbal apology,” said task force member Demetrius Worley Berry, a Greensboro attorney. “This is not an attempt to compensate, repair or restore what happened years ago.”

State officials sterilized more than 7,600 people in North Carolina from 1929 to 1974 under eugenics programs, which at the time were aimed at creating a better society by weeding out people such as criminals and mentally disabled people considered undesirable.

The panel has discussed amounts between $20,000 and $50,000 a person. At the panel’s meeting last month, Berry suggested paying $20,000 to living victims, though chairwoman Laura Gerald said she wanted to consider a higher amount.

Victims reacted angrily, saying they deserved more money, and descendants argued the estates of victims who have since died also should be paid. Some have suggested as much as $1 million per victim.

“I think that what they’re doing is unfair, and I think that they’re looking at North Carolina in a cheap way,” said Delores Marks, 60, of Durham. “And I think they‘re just trying to have something to present so that they’ll go ahead and approve it and get it out of the way.”

Marks’ mother, a black woman with four children, was sent to a psychiatric hospital in 1953 after showing signs of what Marks thinks was probably post-partum depression. She returned to her family after a few months at the hospital, where she was sterilized.

The Legislature would have to approve any compensation to victims, of which 1,500 to 2,000 the task force has said are believed to be alive. Officials have found 48 of them so far.

Even payments of $20,000 apiece for only 1,500 surviving victims would total $30 million, an amount that could be tough to come up with in a state that has had to trim millions from its budget in recent years. If victims and their descendants were to get $1 million per victim, as some have suggested, the payments could total billions of dollars.

Many states ended their eugenics programs because of associations with Nazi Germany’s program aimed at racial purity, but North Carolina in fact ramped up sterilizations after World War II. The state’s sterilizations peaked in the 1950s, with about 70 percent of all sterilizations performed after the war, according to state records. The program didn’t officially end until 1977. It is one of about a half-dozen states to apologize for eugenics programs.

Most victims were poor, black women deemed unfit to be parents. People as young as 10 were sterilized for reasons as minor as not getting along with schoolmates or being promiscuous. Although officials obtained consent from patients or their guardians, many did not comprehend what they were signing.

There are more than 60,000 victims of forced sterilization in the U.S., and though several states have apologized for such programs, North Carolina would be the first to compensate victims.

The state could supplement any compensation with a lifetime break from paying state income taxes, said Daren Bakst, director of legal and regulatory studies at the John Locke Foundation, a conservative-leaning think tank.

He supports the $20,000 figure, noting that it’s the same compensation paid to living victims of Japanese internment camps. He also said compensation should be paid only to living victims, not descendants.

“Where do you draw the line?” he said. “Just as a logistical matter for the state, it would be impossible to figure out which descendants should be compensated and which shouldn’t.”

Still, Bakst said compensation amounts to more than a mere apology.

“An apology is words,” he said. “Giving money and benefits is going beyond the apology and taking real action and showing North Carolina can learn the lesson of its unfortunate history when it comes to this issue.”

Victims will propose their own recommendations Tuesday, said Marks, who suggested $1 million and said victims shouldn’t accept less than $250,000.

Berry, one of the board members, acknowledged “most of the victims feel that $20,000 or $50,000 is a slap in the face.” But he said he is basing that amount on what would realistically be approved by the Legislature.

Elaine Riddick, who was 14 when the state eugenics board ordered her sterilization, has railed against the compensation amounts proposed so far and called the task force “a new face of the eugenics board.” Riddick had given birth after being raped.

She sued the state in the 1970s, seeking $1 million, and said that figure should increase with time.

“They took away my right to be a complete woman,” she said. “What do you think it is worth?”

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  • 4xeverything
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:44am

    You can’t put a price on my children. Impossible. I say, how about an eye for an eye. Let them sterilize the doctors children. Problem solved.

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  • TomFerrari
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:44am

    OUCH ! Where is the love?
    I’m pretty certain that they committed this atrocity against all races, creeds, and religions.
    It was the crimes and the mental illness that were their motivators.

    What I want to know is, why is it okay for the government to kill unborn children, but, it is not okay for the government to force birth control?

    When you go down the road of allowing government to make ANY of those sorts of decisions, then, you have opened the door, and given the government the de facto power to make ALL of those sorts of decisions and interventions.
    You cannot have it both ways.

    That is why our government is, Constitutionally bound, NOT to get involved in such things. ALL rights not specifically ceded to the federal government are reserved to the people and the states. If your state is out of control, YOU need to fix it. Just make sure your state isn’t asking or demanding that they get money from citizens of other states – regardless of the purpose. If you have to spend $1Billion for ‘compensations’, then, that is $1Billion you could have spent on your roads. So, don’t ask others to pay for your roads. If YOU have to pay for it, then you are more likely to vote more carefully for your state’s legislators & laws.

    As for DOLLAR amounts – NO AMOUNT can “compensate,” so let’s not make it about money. Let’s apologize, and engrain the LOVE OF FREEDOM & LIBERTY back into the fabric of our society!

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  • oldsoldier10
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:34am

    This is Bev Perdue, the democrat at large. She is grossly incompetent and has done nothing but increase the number of North Carolinian’s out of work and dependent on the government for subsistence. Bev gotta go in 2012 she is poison.

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    • RightThinking1
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:25am

      Bev is a non-stop Democratic machine governor. The most that can be said is that she isn’t as bad as Easley was, which isn’t saying much. If North Carolinians don‘t stop reflexively marking the ’D’ on their ballots, the state is doomed. Taxes are high, unemployment high, spoils system working overtime,etc, etc. I am a born and bred Tarheel, but at a late age am actively considering leaving family and friends to get out of here. It is disgusting.
      It is possible that the Dem convention in Charlotte will leave such a bad taste in the voter’s mouths that they will finally come around, but I doubt it.

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    • the point
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:29am

      Under Perdue a law was passed that if you murder a pregnant woman, and the fetus dies too , you will be tried for two murders. Also under Perdue a law was passed that if you want an abortion, the state of NC will pay for it.

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  • ThePostman
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 6:32am

    You are a nasty person, full of hate and spite. Reconsider why you hate the white man. Who were you a slave of? What was your master’s name? When were you released? Did you get 40 acres and a mule? What did you do with it? Do you know that true Africans despise people like you?

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  • Drakkhanlord
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:47am

    would worry more about what the govt is doing to the whole population…

    chemtrails…toxins in the air.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uugpJ-q0ckY
    haarp and chemtrails…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
    Ted Gunderson-former fbi chief
    http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=8D3A3A4CC7D76931286A798B351A3926

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  • Drakkhanlord
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:43am

    Chemtrails: What In The World Are They Spraying?
    http://www.infowars.com/chemtrails-what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/
    CHEMTRAILS AS REAL AS YOU AND I, KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-lt3ZYLlcSQ
    Air Force Pilots Chatting While Filming A Chemtrail Being Sprayed
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RwjuSBXjelU
    Government ADMITS secretly SPRAYING POISON on us!!! Also admit secret tests hundreds of times!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UiJ_R8JVpi4

    Chemtrail Spraying Up Close & Definitive Proof-This Must Stop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kh7qA2tqQ5c

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  • natstew
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:15am

    Abortion is a form of eugenics.
    Eugenics is a Democrat thing, the DNC should pay.

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 4:50am

      Good thinking.

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    • Brainmuffin
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:55am

      Agreed. Eugenics: evolution faith put into action.

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    • Libertyluvnmomma
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 10:47am

      Just wait until women realize they were duped by their “choice”.
      50+ million babies slaughtered and counting.

      Has anyone considered the medical waste companies who pick up clinic “trash”
      that has a nasty twist as well- they have been caught dumping babies in regular landfills as apposed to correctly incinerating them.
      Meanwhile, Michigan murder mills tout “up to 24 weeks”- That’s older than the Duggar baby- who was blessed with a memorial service. Babies are known for surviving 21-23 weeks gestation…
      http://www.stopstericycle.com/

      and Rush L. thinks Ron Paul supporters like myself are really liberal democrats. said so yesterday.
      I have nothing remotely in common with liberal democrats. They will defend abortion regardless of facts.

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    • Paul -Indiana
      Posted on January 11, 2012 at 8:16pm

      For better or worse, abortions have greatly diminished the possible democrat voting block. While I oppose abortion, you can‘t deny that ’plus’.

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  • pwatkins
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:55am

    Let some of those green energy dollars that Obama has sneaked into NC to Purdue be used to pay for the democratic evil mess they made. The green cashflow produced no jobs as of yet and has promise of very few in the distant future. The companies will probably go bankrupt before they get started like Solyndra and others across the country. I do think for the most part these were inhuman acts by the democrats in our government and feel it is high time we put some pro-life conservatives in charge that are against the evils Planned Parenthood and it’s supporters stand for. Democrats that gripe about contreceptives being banned(which no one suggested that btw), all the while have a strong history of taking all rights without consent from these woman and many of the women will turn around and vote for the same democratic think tank again. Wake up and listen to people like Beck, Hannity, and Rush, bc they aren”t hated by the democrats bc the democrats love all people and want us happy, healthy, and wealthy. Nope, they hate them bc they expose the evil side of the democratic party that has fooled all of America since the Jim Crow days and before…so wake up! I will add there are a few democrats left that care, but none of them stand behind Obama and his liberal progressive crowd. I am sorry this happened but I don’t feel as a law-abiding citizen that pays my taxes when they are due owes anyone my tax money for wrongs beyond my control, bc I am as innocent as the victims involve

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  • Cuthalu
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:43am

    I can understand how the families of these people might feel about what happened. My problem is in almost every case of the government or government workers doing something wrong, those who broke the law, violated a person’s right or other horrible things, those people who are behind such things are never actually punished. Instead, their organization or department is sued but it is the tax payers who in the end are the ones left with the bill to pay for the misdeeds. While the people who were responsible get almost no punishment nor held to account for their actions.

    Take this case for instance. The people who put the idea up, the people who organized it, the people who convinced the politicans who enacted the policy, the people who actually adminstered the “treatment”, etc all down the line will never actually be held to account. So even if these families win their case, great but….the people who responsible for it walks away scot free. Not only that, the taxpayers are the ones who will be handed the bill to pay off AND all those who were involved are free to bring into being MORE crazy ideas like this since they know that …they will never be held to account when their new ideas end up hurting more people now or in the future.

    Why do we as a society allow crazy ideas or actions by government workers go unpunished?

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  • AxelPhantom
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:13am

    Compensation to living victims only! Otherwise you open a very wide door for compensation to every decendent of slaves as well. The injustices done to one generation only flow down so far before the water soaks in.

    My grand father was killed by the Germans in a concentration camp (not Jewish BTW) after the Russians took thier land, my grandmother was put in Auschwitz for a time, my Grand-uncle was killed by the Russians in the Katyn Massacre, my Great Grandfather was forcingly inscripted by the Boleshevics and his land was taken, he ended up in the Gulags. Back in the 1400‘s two of my relatives were enslaved by Tartars and in the 1600’s the family castle was raised by the Swedish. In the 1800‘s the family’s estates were taken by Austria (partition) and those who were not killed were enslaved as “house servants/mistresses” to the wealthy Germans.

    I have been deprived of family members, am I owed money? My mother still has flashbacks. Just get on with your lives, if it wasn’t done to you, just move on and take advantage of the opportunities you have been given.

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    • Gorp
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:57am

      Oh come on now AXELPHANTOM, don’t you know that we are supposed to compensate ANYBODY who might have even been the slightest bit wronged in the past, whether or not it was they themselves or a long distant family member? I’m not even sure if “they” even care if it was a member of their family or not.
      “I knew this guy from way back when. He wasn’t treated right (insert reason here) and it caused me trauma and I want compensation for it.”
      In today’s gimme gimme society, it’s beginning to look like everybody wants a hand out more and more. Look at the “Occupy” idiots. They want something for nothing and they want it from those who have worked hard all their lives to get where they are.
      I’m NOT rich by any means. I’ve worked all my life and am now retired. My pension puts me into the top 1% of the world’s income so that makes me a bad guy just for that reason. What was the figure I read somewhere?? $12,000 makes a person the top 1% of the world’s earners? But then that’s figuring the whole world. And that’s how some figure it because these United States are bad and should “spread the wealth”.
      I do spread my wealth. I spread it to my mortgage company, the utility company, the grocery store, the gas station, and last but not least my favorite Beer company. I’m spreading! I’m spreading!

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  • becca_leigh
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:58am

    I will never defend eugenics but everyone can agree that you can‘t put a price on taking away a woman’s ability to have children. That is exactly what the victims are doing right now, they just think that the dollar amount isn’t enough. This has nothing to do with making the people responsible pay for this when the money is going to come from the taxpayers in North Carolina.

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    • ICRedifURBlue
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:13am

      Bad deal …democrat thing….be glad they weren’t just put down…..move on and don’t let it happen again.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:16am

      What if she were in a car crash that s/he didn’t cause that took away her/his ability to have children? Would s/he get to sue? The Germans gave reparations to Jews in the ‘50’s. How do you feel about that?

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 5:04am

      @mauijonny. that was then. this is now. that’s what I think about it now.

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  • US-First
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:46am

    First… how can a serialized victim have descendants after the procedure so how can there be any descendants to consider. The two women mentioned in the article: the first had 4 children already and no doubt given her lets say heritage would have had several more milking the state and federal programs. The second woman was a girl of 14 years old and so her parents had to consent to the procedure. Is she suing her parents for $1 million? I live in NC and this is a mess handed down from the liberal politicians who we thank god got rid of in the last election cycle. Unfortunately we are left with cleaning up the many years of messes they started. If some folks would practice Eugenics on their own and the government would stop handing out money for each kid this would’t be an issue. In any case its the government screwing up by requiring the program and now the government screwing up in the way they want to put it to rest! Basically screwing up coming and going as usual.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:56am

      You answered your own argument by stating that some of the women already had decendants = decendants. As for the rest, eugenics is pure Goebbels/Nazi. There’s zero excuse.

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    • becca_leigh
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:59am

      the guy in the story said that his mother was sterilized after giving birth to 4 children

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  • Arc
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:18am

    How’s this for a convoluted thought process.

    First, the Native Americans were reduced to “ savages” whether they were or not and were killed or imprisoned.

    Then we have 20th Century “holier than thou” leaders who saw killing as wrong so they sterilized the people they couldn’t pigeonhole.

    Then we have the Planned Parenthood with its beginning rooted in the early 20th Century that advocates abortion but can salve their souls with the idea that “ They know best”

    I say look at their track record…….this is the government we are talking about right???

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:44am

      WOW. I never thought about salveing a soul. How do you do that?

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  • UrbanCombatSurvivor
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:58am

    Hey, I have an idea: instead of babbling about paying people yet another form of ******** reparations, you start PUTTING PEOPLE IN PRISON! How about that? How about you prosecute those who violated the rights of people. Hold them PERSONALLY accountable, how about that???

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  • Reelist
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:53am

    People who cannot even produce what they need to survive should not have children. Yet they do. The non-productive members of society out breed the productive members. Most are out of wedlock and are raised by one parent who is most often ill equipped to be a parent. These folks must be ‘carried’ by the productive.

    I see a lot of ******* and moaning regarding forced sterilization. I don’t see any solutions being proffered. Should society just continue to carry these folks? Should we stop carrying them? That would seem to be worse than forced sterilization as these people would perish. Forced sterilization is not killing or death.

    You can’t fool Mother Nature. Let me tell you what will happen. The numbers of the non-productive will eventually exceed the ability of the productive to support them. They will perish eventually in any event. That’s Darwin’s survival of the fittest. I will happen in any event. It will just take longer if we do nothing.

    I’m not sure what the answer is. Let’s see some suggestion from you all-knowing types.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:24am

      Wow. That’s a brain full you dumped there. Let’s start here: Darwin never called it ‘survival of the fittest,‘ he called it ’natural selction.’ Darwinism, in your terms, is one basis for Naziism (Hitler was very fond of it). Go read some Darwin & some history before you go spouting off. As for folks who can’t make it for themselves sometimes: there are plenty of people out there, like myself, who chose not to have children because of the brainwashing into thinking that there was no way to be able to provide for a child without having to rely on society – so shut your F’N pie hole about that. As for the solution? Teach – insist – on values instead of always looking for the easy/racist/classist/arrogant way out. Frankly, not only is it lazy, it’s disgusting. And, please, DO refer back to my list of Gov’s in NC during that time. 2+2=4

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  • 1casawizard
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:52am

    I was born and raised in North Cakalacky. I don’t care for the politics there. I live across the line in Jawjah where I can mind my own bidness and make a living at a steel mill. N. Carolina might oughta pay reparations for its stupidity during those times when they were acting high and mighty. They should not have done that. The people of the state are fine as wine. The government there is very corrupt.

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  • flyguync
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:49am

    Since these people were not able to “procreate”, maybe we should just award them a baby. There’s plenty of them out there to adopt. Seriously, these “victims” or their families signed a consent for the sterilization, so I don’t understand the issue here. This sounds like the people that signed mortgage contracts for ARM loans and now are saying the lenders tricked them.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:26am

      No they didn’t sign a consent form, that‘s why it’s called ‘forced sterilization.’

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  • mrsalvage2
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:42am

    Technically there can be no reparations nor apologies, for the U.S. Supreme Court case supporting this insanity, Buck v, Bell, still stands.

    Carrie Buck gave birth to a fine baby girl, and she graduated High School as well, which was something in those days.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes. What a megalomaniac, taking authority over life that was not his to give, only because he was a Progressive who thought that since the society was going to be responsible, that it could dispose of those that the elite thought undesirable.

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  • mauijonny
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:24am

    Here’s a list of N. C. Governors from 1925-1977:

    Cameron Morrison January 12, 1921 January 14, 1925 Democratic
    Angus Wilton McLean January 14, 1925 January 11, 1929 Democratic
    Oliver Max Gardner January 11, 1929 January 5, 1933 Democratic
    John C.B. Ehringhaus January 5, 1933 January 7, 1937 Democratic
    Clyde R. Hoey January 7, 1937 January 9, 1941 Democratic
    J. Melville Broughton January 9, 1941 January 4, 1945 Democratic
    R. Gregg Cherry January 4, 1945 January 6, 1949 Democratic
    W. Kerr Scott January 6, 1949 January 8, 1953 Democratic
    William B. Umstead January 8, 1953 November 7, 1954 Democratic
    Luther H. Hodges November 7, 1954 January 8, 1961 Democratic
    Terry Sanford January 5, 1961 January 8, 1965 Democratic
    Dan K. Moore January 8, 1965 January 3, 1969 Democratic
    Robert W. Scott January 3, 1969 January 5, 1973 Democratic
    James E. Holshouser, Jr. January 5, 1973 January 8, 1977 Republican

    Does anyone sense a pattern here?

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:47am

      Then there’s this little tidbit:

      How Planned Parenthood Duped America
      “At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the “black” and “yellow” peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.” You can read the whole article here, on Black Genocide: http://blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

      How coincidental…

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    • The10thAmendment
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:20am

      I don’t believe in coincidence.

      I believe in murder by design, which is EXACTLY what planned Parenthood represents. Everyone is familiar with the Margaret Sanger angle and her Fabian cult worship. They simply choose to ignore that she worshiped the devil, just like Karl Marx.

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    • mrsalvage2
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:30am

      But now, as the John Birch Society pointed out back in 1973, the Progressive Reps are no better than the Progressicve Dems.

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:34am

      Politics is awesome in America–you have liberal (in the classic and minimalist sense of the word) conservatism and religious conservatism; those are your choices.

      This is what democracy looks like

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:45am

      Yes. I understand, 10TH, I was being sarcastic. And please don‘t cloud issues with ’devil worship.’ IMHO, it distracts from the conversation.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:47am

      THIRD, judging from the provided list of NC governors, for almost a half cantury, I‘d say ’this is what Democrats look like.’

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    • The Third Archon
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:52am

      Yup, Democrats are awful alright.

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:15am

      It don’t matter if they are Ds or Rs. Can the corrupt be either? All probably came out wealthy when they went in poor or rich. this happen in EVERY state, mauijonny.

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    • mauijonny
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:41am

      CASA: Who the heck is talking about ‘poor or rich?‘ We’re talking about eugenics here and Democrats are it’s parents. Just like they’re the progenerators of Jim Crow and the KKK. Who signed the Civil Rights Act? Wasn’t JFK – he was too scared to because he didn‘t want to lose his good ol’ boys in the South. It was Johnson who signed it after he saw the Republicans might end up carrying the day in a now populist movement. The point is, Dems are always projecting their racist BS onto Repubs and I’m sick of it because A) it’s a blatant lie and, B) their history is really sickening, as is their inability to acknowledge it – but they seem to be satisfied with a chosen few to be ashamed of that history – the Republicans, TEA, etc…to carry the shame they don’t have the courage to face.

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 3:07am

      @mauijonny. I am/was talking of the politicians wherever they may be in the U.S. who went in poor or rich and come out wealthy. There is a difference in rich and wealthy. As per your other rants, Support TEA candidates. thanks.

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  • maccow
    Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:10am

    I’m not usually one to support reparations but this one seems to have merit. Its being proposed in a State that actually committed the state sponsored offense, though it does suck for the state tax payers that had nothing to do with electing the officials who oversaw this atrocity. But if they call themselves proud North Carolinians then I say pony up the money. State pride and all works two ways.
    The problem will now be that 20,000 of the suspected 2000 victims will surface for this lottery ticket. Come to think of it….didn’t uncle Joe come from NC? And he never had any kids and I’m his sole remaining decedent. HMMM : )

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:20am

      You do not punish the son for the sins of his father. Your reasoning is more self-serving than just.

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    • maccow
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:53am

      @The Jerk
      I agree with that sentiment but there are times when the State does need to make amends for wrongs of the recent, meaning the victim is still alive, past. Now I am going under the premiss that elected officials enacted this program. If it was a unregulated, or even a regulated non state government entity that did this, such as planned parenthood, then the State should pay and recoup from that entity.
      Again, on principle I am against reparations, but this strikes me as being a different animal.

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    • maccow
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:55am

      @The Jerk
      I‘m not from NC and don’t have an uncle Joe. That was just humor. Does this mean I am now more just then self serving? : )

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    • mrsalvage2
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 1:38am

      1 million dollars each, plus adjustments for inflation.

      The U.S. Supreme Court in a case like Near v. Minn. or was it the Society of Sisters case, stated that the singularly most significant measurement of the quality of ones life, is the raising, companionshup, and society of ones own children.

      GOD Damn the politicians and lawyer aristocracy for their indirect criminalization of procreation by contempt of court charges for non payment of unreachable support levels.

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  • Dumbwhiteguy
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:59pm

    Be careful people. If you get picked up for a traffic violation, you could be picked up sent to a fema camp, handcuffed, gassed and cremated in the name of egenics. Death for being alive.

    Parents should be aware that when you have kids, this is what you are up against. In the early 1900‘s the Progressive’s wanted this type of population control. This scared people when they found out, even if needed. People have forgotten and life has become special to society,

    I learned many ways why the Progressive’s went undergound and we must all pay for the New World Order. Only the elite, illuminati, progressive know when the day will come. The Georgia Guidestones will help you know you will not see the Armageddon or anything that looks like it.

    We will see only death.

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    • 1casawizard
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:37am

      You’re going overboard DWG. It’s not not as bad as you think. Nothing is. Your mind and most everyone is wired the same makes the worst out of a situation. It’s a survival mechanic that works for you to survive. Prepare for the worst! Now you’re not so dumb after all.

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  • mattmo79
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:58pm

    Sounds like something that evil b!tch Sanger would have been involved with and organized originally! Have Planned Parenthood pay the victims!!

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  • OneofMany
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:57pm

    “along with whether the victims’ descendants are eligible for the money.”

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    • CatB
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:05am

      ummm I caught that also .. how do you have decendents?

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    • mharry860
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:14am

      Exactly, this reparations 2.0. Didn‘t work the first time so they’re trying this.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on January 10, 2012 at 12:22am

      Some women who were victims of the state had already had children as noted in the story.

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  • OneofMany
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:56pm

    How do sterilization VICTIMS have descendants!????

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  • MonkeyBeagle
    Posted on January 9, 2012 at 11:47pm

    How did they sterilize them? what method? 1974 wow.

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