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ND Vote Could Ban Big Game Hunting on Fenced Land

LISBON, N.D. (AP) — Butch and Deb Dick’s lifelong dream was to open a big game hunting preserve and after years of preparation, they expected to welcome the first customers to their southeastern North Dakota ranch this month.

ND Vote Could Ban Big Game Hunting on Fenced LandVoters will decide next month whether to shut them down.

Measure No. 2 on the Nov. 2 general election ballot seeks to abolish fenced preserves where people pay to shoot big game such as deer and elk. Supporters of the measure say the practice is unethical because the animals can’t escape. Opponents say it’s free enterprise.

There are thousands of big game breeding operations in the United States. Although it’s not clear how many offer hunting, there’s no federal law banning fenced hunting and a majority of states allow it.

“I think it comes down to property rights,” Butch Dick, 34, said quietly, gazing from a ridge that overlooks his wooded and hilly Dragon Creek Ranch in the surprisingly rugged Sheyenne River Valley 8 miles west of Lisbon. Most of eastern North Dakota is flat farmland.

About a dozen of the state’s more than 100 game preserves offer hunting for a fee. The cost of a hunt depends on the size of the animal, but some packages can run more than $10,000.

The Dicks advertise their business as a place where “myth and fantasy becomes reality.” They have plans to build a lodge for clients who for now will stay in a nearby bed and breakfast. They would like to specialize in events for disabled hunters and hold a turn-of-the-century hunt for muzzleloaders.

If the measure passes, “I guess it will be one large breeding farm,” Deb Dick, 35, said with a sigh.

The ballot measure’s promoter, Roger Kaseman of Linton, said it’s not sporting to hunt animals in areas he claims can be as small as 400 acres.

The average size of the hunting preserves is difficult to gauge. The state Board of Animal Health, the key regulator, does not separate hunting and non-hunting farms in its reporting. But owners claim the preserves are big enough to provide an authentic hunting experience, and one in the North Dakota Badlands said his property covers 2,000 acres.

Butch Dick said he had to install 4 miles of fence to enclose his hunting land.

The issue of whether to bar fenced hunting isn’t new.

A bill to outlaw fenced hunting preserves was introduced in the 2007 Legislature by a lone sponsor, state Sen. Tim Mathern, D-Fargo. He said other lawmakers took their names off the bill because they were pressured by “outside interests” and some warned him he should be worried about his safety, although he received no direct threats.

“When it got right down to the day of introducing the bill, everybody was gone except me,” Mathern said.

The bill was trounced by a vote of 44-3.

Kaseman, 64, who chairs a group called North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase, believes most citizens didn’t know about fenced hunting when the issue came up in the Legislature. He thinks they are now ready to voice their opposition.

The opposing voice, Shawn Schafer, 43, a white-tailed deer farmer near Turtle Lake and spokesman for Citizens to Protect North Dakota’s Property Rights, saidND Vote Could Ban Big Game Hunting on Fenced Land he’s looking for a blowout victory to settle the debate one last time.

“I just wonder how much we’re going to win by,” Schafer said. “I want to send a big strong message that this is it, it’s over, leave us alone.”

No polls are available on the measure, but a 2007 University of North Dakota survey showed 75 percent of the 600 people polled would vote in favor of a ban. The random telephone survey of North Dakota residents over 18 had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent.

Most of the preserves’ customers come from other states, where there are fewer places to hunt and it’s difficult to obtain licenses for the biggest of big game. Some hunters want the trophy on the wall, but most are interested in the hunting experience, said Schafer, who hunts at fenced ranches in other states.

Kaseman questions that experience.

“The hunt is over the moment the animal is born,” he said.

Marv Hanson, a Grand Forks hunter, said most of his outdoors companions view fenced hunting as a matter of personal choice.

“It’s not something that I necessarily care to do,” Hanson said, “but I don’t have any problem with other people doing it, let’s put it that way.”

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http://www.cedarridgeelk.com/

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  • Reasonabiliy
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:56pm

    What is the differance between this and the Grade/Yield bacon and Hams we eat. The Hogs/Cattle/ chickens are slattered for our food and were produced for the purpose of killing them and consuming them. If they do not waste the meat, who cares? I’m going for a Burger: It’s still a free Republic.

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  • SubHuman
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:25pm

    Another example of why Broder was right that violence will always be an option. Because there will always be tyrants who wants to take my right of property away.

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  • kuhl
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:25pm

    Giving the people who have no idea what a hunting preserve is the right to shut them down is ridiculous. North Dakota’s economy owes much to hunting and fishing. Are the people of North Dakota all planning to go on the government dole now?

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  • DeclareTruth
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:22pm

    You like government control of private property? How about no private property at all? Wanna know what they have planned for us? Look up UN Agenda 21 and its companion, the Earth Charter. It’s not hidden, it’s right out there in the open for anyone to see if they have the stomach for it. It is the plan that’s in process, though, whether or not you’re aware of it.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:26pm

      Declare so i see where you come down. Killing of humans is OK if done on private property that I own? If not why not. That would be aconcession leading down the slippery slope. Right?

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:28pm

      You cannot argue with the mind(less)set of the contrarianstinkers of the world. They do not have an ounce of respect for the rights of any but theirselves. The only upside is that when it becomes their time to be violated they will scream and cry like little girls because nobody will take their side.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:27pm

      COMRADE CONTRARIAN USAF MAJOR Ret.

      WELL sorta, you of all people should be grateful for the fact that the ONLY reason for some people still being alive, is that it is ILLEGAL to KILL them. Otherwise SOMEONE would surely have invited you over to their place for dinner by now.

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  • Paleo2k
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:18pm

    Not for me but if that’s how someone wants to put meat in the freezer, cool! Just so long as the distinction is made between ‘shooting’ an elk and ‘hunting’ and elk.

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  • timej31
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:18pm

    It is not any of my business or yours. Especially not the governments.

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  • rflaaskog
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:18pm

    So what your saying is it is okay to slaughter innocent unborn children, yes children, you know a law in America, but shooting a deer or elk is out of the question. The priorities of this once Great Nation are all out of whack.

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  • Okpulot Taha
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:09pm

    RANDY ROCKER comments, “60,000,000 Buffalo were killed in the United States and most skinned alive and left to suffer in agony.”

    This is true to a measured degree. A majority of those thundering herds were killed and left to rot to have American Indians starve to death, which happened.

    I am reminded of the movie “Dances With Wolves” which portrays a horrific scene of miles of skinned buffalo carcasses left for vultures. What you write is tragic, but not entirely for this true fact you cite.

    Deer hunting is effected around New York and the general northeast region of America to control deer population. Too many deer, a herd starves to death during winter. I understand the compassion behind this, I disagree with the method. Today, deer population is better controlled through birth control methods, such as lacing salt licks with birth control medication. This is a dubious method but is far more humane.

    Barack Obama is currently rounding up wild horses in Nevada and along the east side of the California Sierras, then slaughtering those horses; no room left in adoption facilities. Doubtful very many would purchase a hunting license to kill wild horses to control wild horse populations. Then there are pumas being slaughtered where wild horses range. Pumas help control wild horse populations yet we kill pumas without good reason. Same is true for wolves along our border with Canada. I do not think there are many who would hunt wolves for sport although ranchers routinely kill wolves, along with coyotes. All of this evidences there are lines drawn for what animals we will kill, and will not kill. This is a line drawn based upon moral values.

    True solution and most moral solution, is to give back Mother Nature to animals, She knows how to deal with balance of nature.

    Okpulot Taha
    Choctaw Nation

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:01pm

      your idea of population control by lacing salt licks with birth control makes you sound like one of those green wing nuts who wants to have drinking water laced with meds to make us sterile and the earth better off for it. It is natures way to harvest what it can to control population, not to control the birth rate. That thinking is non-evolutionary, by reducing the number of births you decrease diversity, which is necessary for survival. It is not always the strongest who survive, sometimes it is just the more efficient, those that eat less and go farther on a stomach of food.

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  • DMD
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:51pm

    NO NO NO
    Don’t turn hunting into a business. It’s a sport.
    This would be like bringing your 30.06 to the zoo and leaving with a dead bobcat over your shoulder.

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    • DeclareTruth
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:14pm

      That is your opinion and you have a right to it. However, government control of private property diminishes the freedom of ALL of us, including you, whether you like it or not.

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    • rmsuperglide
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:19pm

      This type of “hunting” does give certain people a chance to experiance big game hunting that otherwise would not be able to.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:21pm

      Decpare, so IF I murder children on my private property, tha’s OK. But if I mureer them on your proeperty or public property it’s NOT OK? Please explain.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:18pm

      Hey CONTRARIN COMRADE “USAF MAJOR Ret.”

      WHO said one thing about KILLING CHILDREN on this thread other than YOU?? Your Tactic is typical of the PROGRESSIVE/COMMUNIST theory you push. These are ANIMALS, we kill and eat MILLIONS OF THEM EVERYDAY. If we weren’t supposed to, we would not have the instinct to kill and eat them.

      When all you bleeding hearts stop EATING anything that isn’t green and leafy, then and only then, does your incessant sniveling even border on genuine conviction. This is all about PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, that and the insidious PROGRESSIVES like you deciding just what someone can and cannot do with their property, based soley on YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES.

      You ain’t a MAJOR in the USAF anymore dork, so your opinion is no longer of any great value to anybody but YOU and POSSIBLY your MOTHER if she’s still around. Put a sock in it TROLL, or gather up some of your old Military Buddies and ORDER THEM AROUND to get it up for you.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:06pm

      Well taha mentioned about over half the population of the planet needed to be killed off.

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  • Okpulot Taha
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:48pm

    Those hollering about private property, this is a myth. You have a right to own property, this is your private property. You are entitled to a right to privacy on your property.

    Contrasting, you do not have a right to whatever you like on your property. I am reminded of this tragedy of little girl Jaycee Dugard who was kidnapped and made a sex slave for eighteen years. She was kept in the backyard of a maniac. This pervert has a right to private property, he has a right to privacy but he does not have a right to make a little girl his sex slave and claim a right to privacy to shield himself from law.

    Doubtful any of you would welcome a brothel next door to your house. I mention our 640 acres of land north of Reno. Our girl, her father and I joke about opening a brothel on our land, this is a very lucrative business; millions in income per year. However, this will never happen because of government red tape and community standards.

    Setting aside red tape, community standards rule how we use our private property. You and your neighbors would be in an uproar should I open a brothel, “Taha’s Tasty Treats”, in or near your neighborhood. You would be really mad and I would annoy you, “This is private property. I can do whatever I like!” Ah ha! You would say, “Mule Manure!” while shaking your fists.

    People here at the Blaze scream about private property rights, until I open a brothel next door. Such hypocrisy, rancid hypocrisy.

    Those folks up there in North Dakota have a right to regulate private property usage to protect community standards. Individual private property rights do not trump community standards. Those folks do not want little girls held as sex slaves and those folks do not want penned up animals to be slaughtered by perverse little boys with big guns.

    Your private property rights only extend to boundaries set by community standards.

    Okpulot Taha
    Choctaw Nation

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:18pm

      Taha, you actually opened a brothel? (grin) It‘s my understanding that the People didn’t have a concept of private property rights. If I’m right, what should happen in this case using your perspective? Thanks for any insight.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:41pm

      CONTRARIAN THINKER will have 5 points deducted from my score, “Taha, you actually opened a brothel? (grin)”

      I will share a short story, at least short in my writer’s perspective.

      Many years back I am over at girlfriend’s house. We are watching the Playboy channel on her television. There is a special about “Rick’s Cabaret” which catches my financial interest. Playboy moves on to the Bunny Ranch up by Carson City, Nevada. This also catches my financial interest; I day trade stocks which is why I am here often; I become bored of late, dead stock markets.

      I investigate Rick’s Cabaret, a public company, “Hey! This looks a winner!” I buy our family a hundred-thousand stock shares at $1.36 per share. I do more research. I discover Rick’s, the owner of the Bunny Ranch and the “Daily Planet” down in Australia are having a big get together in August of some year, I think back in 2005 or 2006. Hot dog! I want in on this joint business venture!

      Rick’s is a high class strip joint all over America, big cities. The Bunny Ranch is a high class brothel. The Daily Planet converts hotels into luxurious brothels in Australia. Has to be winner. However, the Bunny Ranch is a private business, no stock, and I cannot buy stock in The Daily Planet because I am not a citizen of Australia. Our girl, my husband and me rush off to Carson City to meet the owner of the Bunny Ranch, Dennis Hof, “We want in on this business venture!” No gambling dice, he is tight lipped about this big meeting. Nonetheless, we like the boy and my husband and I are regular customers of his since, enjoyably so, wildly so.

      This three way meeting takes place, there is discussion of an international joint venture in brothels and striptease clubs. Government red tape is a problem, then the recession hits. No deal much to our financial consternation.

      That Rick’s stock I bought for $1.36 per share, I sold our stock a few years back at $15.00 per share. I need to use our old rust bucket pickup truck to haul our profits to our bank. Uncle Sam, however, took away a big chunk of our profits. Uncle Sam is a W H O R E. (censorship problem there)

      So, yes, we would open a brothel in a second, if we could. This is an expensive venture to finance, lot of red tape, lot of regulations, odds are stacked against success in opening. However, last I checked with the Bunny Ranch, they are bringing in around 12-million big bucks per year. After their girls and expenses are paid, I estimate Bunny Ranch net profits around 3-million to 5-million a year. Again, Uncle Sam grabs his greedy share of profits.

      Working girls at the Bunny Ranch, on the average, clear a quarter of a million a year. A few favorite working girls clear a million a year. This is a lucrative business and is a tempting line of work.

      I lost 5 points responding to you. In return I expect you to be our brothel’s first and regular customer. Cash or credit card works for us. No personal checks.

      This shared story reminds us private property rights are a myth; community standards rule.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:50pm

      CONTRARIAN THINKER closes, “It‘s my understanding that the People didn’t have a concept of private property rights.”

      Yes, this is true but needs to be within correct context. No property lines, no deeds nor fences, none of that like we have today. As you know, American Indians were nomadic. This defeats any true notion of territory. Contrasting, skirmishes over hunting lands and crop lands were fairly common. How intense depended on availability of game and crops; more abundance, less fighting.

      Tribes were nomadic but within a range much like wild animals. This did create a sense of territory over many generations, over thousands of years. No clear lines drawn, but tribes did recognize certain regions “belonged” to other tribes. Nonetheless, “commerce” between tribes was common, much so, while respecting certain “hunting grounds” were exclusive to select tribes.

      This commerce is well exemplified by Indians around Mammoth in the Sierras trading obsidian tools and points with Colorado River region Indians who produced wicker baskets and clay pots. Those Indians traded with Indians of Southern California who grew grain crops. Those grain crop Indians traded with coastal Indians who produce fish products and shell ornaments, including using sea shells as “coins”. End result is all those products from Sierras to Coast, are everywhere to be found, hundreds of miles from point of origin. This is a true economic system, commerce.

      On territory, Mammoth region “belonged” to select tribes, river lands, grain lands, beach lands, all belonged to respective tribes. Boundaries were established but those boundaries meandered around by season and by availability of game, crops and other needs. For American Indians, back then, boundaries were set by geographic features and by surrounding micro-environment; mountains versus beaches. Above all, boundaries were set by survival needs, thus some skirmishes.

      Context, CONTRARIAN THINKER, for ancient times of Indians is “property rights” were set by survival needs and by degree of cooperation in commerce along with generational tradition of tribes being established within ever changing geographic regions.

      Overriding factor on this is survival, a need to protect food sources.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • whitaker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:03pm

      @Taha
      Typical progressive altering history. You need to do more research about your characters racial history. “how intense depended on availability of game and crops; more abundance, less fighting” Wrong the stronger tribe chaced off or killed the weaker for the land,food and for some slaves. There was nothing about respecting your neightbors boundries like your trying to portray.

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  • Randyrocker
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:27pm

    60,000,000 Buffalo were killed in the United States and most skinned alive and left to suffer in agony.
    That is the history of America and how former so called big game hunters went at it. Laws and conservation efforts have brought the herds back up to a point that protects their extinction. It is our obligation as human beings to protect these herds and by our example of how we handle this matter will we be known. As it is we’ve already had a pretty dim view of our humanity, it’s a rare occurrence when mankind can get an opportunity to redeem itself. Let’s take it again.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:20pm

      Rabdy, great post God made man a steward over all His creatures. He will hold us accountale for violations of that stewardship. IMO, penning these deers in and making a slaughter is evil. I would hate to fqace jesus at the last judgement in their shoes.

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:41pm

      Who left the effing squirrel cage open?!?!

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    • WISEPENNY
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:27pm

      Genisis 1:26 instructs us to have dominion over the creatures of the earth, God, Himself, skinned some animals for Adam and Eve to wear just before he booted them out of the garden for siding with a progressive. I’m beginning to think that Jesus, as merciful as he is, wouldn’t hesitate to b!tch slap you
      Contrarianthinker.
      You, too, Okput Haha. What self respecting Native American is anti-hunting, anyway? You are both full of complete stupidity.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:56pm

      COMRADE CONTRARIAN USAF MAJOR Ret.,

      When you do get to judgement day, the biggest problem you‘re gonna have is explaining just WHY you thought YOU had the right to stick your COMMUNIST nose into everybody else’s business, and make them run it to suit your halfbaked PROGRESSIVE notions.

      But not to worry Mate, I can see it now; You’ll just tell old God Almighty about how you spent your life in the ZOO and ALMOST made Colonel in the process. That alone should be more than enough to impress him into realizing just what a SPECIAL CLASS of Human Being you really are. I am SURE he’ll cut you a deal.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:16pm

      And the so-called “native Americans” here were no better. They didn’t have the capability of shooting buffalo by the thousands…arrows and spears are too low tech for that. Instead, they stampeded them over cliffs by the HUNDREDS and butchered the dead and wounded animals.
      Taha: I don’t buy your line that the “native Americans” lived in harmony with nature. Prior to the arrival of europeans, they were living hard, cruel, short lives in a civilization not far off of stone age man in europe. They still used stone tools, didn’t have the wheel, and had no concept of anything above tribal groups. So the concept of the “one with nature” American Indian is more myth than fact.
      As for anyone here who proposes culling the human herd…I propose that you start with yourselves if you’re so dedicated to the idea.
      Now, as far as “private property” is concerned….IT DOESN’T EXIST ANYMORE. When a government entity such as your local county can auction off your property for failure to pay taxes…IT’S NOT YOUR PROPERTY, AND THE TAXES ARE DEFACTO RENT TO THE GOVERNMENT! So your entire topic is really moot. Purchasing property is no more than buying the right to put improvements on the COUNTY’S property!!!!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:08pm

      Those buffalo were killed to starve the indigenous “Indian” population you fool. They weren’t hunted for sport or even their skin. The skins were how the Indians clothed and sheltered themselves on the open plains. Our ancestors did it not for sport, but was with a people that they were in a culture clash with. These ranches that offer sportsmen the CHANCE to shoot a monster buck are nothing like what you are trying to refer them to.

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  • troyvar
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:12pm

    If I don’t feed my pet Shepherd the right dog food, will she be able to sick a pack of lawyers on me? Seriously is that kind of statute going to be found on page 1,875 of this measure?

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  • skepticalbecausesomeoneneedstobe
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:09pm

    a real hunter doesnt need fenced in animals.
    i always thought game reserves were bs.

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  • MrButcher
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:05pm

    Butch Dick—wow, what a name!

    if your name is Butch Dick you can do anything you want in my opinion.

    MrButcher  
  • Have-Gun-Will-Travel
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:04pm

    Thanks to the Libs living in and around Fargo
    they are going to dictate what people do with the other 99% of ND
    next thing no eating fenced in chickens

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  • Greyhound424
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:00pm

    Westy. the man who hunts with his gun eats better then the one who hunts with his camera. You can’t eat a camera, or a picture. My family hunts to put dinner on the table. We rely on wild game to feed our family through the winter. If you prefer not to hunt then more power to you. Just don’t impose your views or beliefs on the rest of us.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:23pm

      GREY HOUND 424 speaks of feeding, “We rely on wild game to feed our family through the winter.”

      Groceries around your home are closed during winter?

      Hunting for family survival is quite acceptable while every bit of killed game is put to good use. However, here in America, a need to hunt to survive is rare, very rare. Hunting today in America is nothing more than a blood sport. This is simply people perversely enjoying killing animals.

      We kept chickens on our rural Oklahoma farm for eggs. Now and then we would wring a rooster’s neck for fried chicken, and a hen only when she quit laying. We penned a few hogs to raise and slaughter to feed our family. A milking cow was butchered only when she became old and quit producing milk. Our primary diet was vegetables and dairy products.

      Plenty of deer and other game like wild boars around our farm. Those animals were taboo for killing and eating; we met our food needs on our farm. However, when the wild boar population became of great numbers, we would catch wild boar to haul down to slaughter market in Little Rock, Arkansas.

      Hunting is simply a perverse blood sport to satiate a need to kill to feel powerful.

      Hunting for sincere need to feed a family, fine. Hunting for sport, this is a mental illness.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:59pm

      How about hunting to thin herds so as to promote healthier animals that are not dying of starvation. The animals being hunted are food animals that nature selected as prey. We don’t eat wolves or mountain lions or eagles because they are not prey animals. Just about all carnivorous and omniverous animals eat the same types of prey animals, it is nature. We without fangs and claws have developed hunting weapons to catch our prey. I don’t believe in cruelty to animals but I do believe in the food chain and natural selection.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:24pm

      Taha, one of the great things about the People were that when they killed a deer, etc for food, they would say a prayer of gratitude for allowing to take the animals life. We need more of that type of gratitude in the USA.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:28pm

      Okpulot Taha… Untrue many people PREFER to hunt for their food as to buying it in a store where they add chemicals of all kinds.. Just like some people prefer to buy a whole cow and have it processed on the farm..or people who grow their own veggies and can them.. THEY TASTE BETTER.. have more nutritional value like food did BEFORE the government decided to NUKE everything because so much of our food comes from OUT of this country..it is NOT a BLOOD sport..

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:29pm

      Untamable, yes thinning out IMO is really humane. A quick death over a slow hurting death. The question is whether to do this on private property for money.

      Taha, FWIW, I agree that killing for sport ONLY is a great sin. At least it says that in the Mormon scriptures. But there are many Mormon sport hunters. Anyone can rationalize.

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    • America_First
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:30pm

      Okpulot Taha – You are 100% wrong…wild game does is not injected with antibiotics, steroids nor is the it injected with water before freezing to add weight…it is healthy and tastes better…if I shoot something I eat it…and enjoy the sport of it…so if you don’t like it, don’t hunt…if you don‘t like firearms don’t own any…but don’t stop me from doing what I enjoy…

      America is about freedom of choice…Try to be American…if you can’t…Get out of my country…

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:38pm

      Independent and Taha seem to talking past each other. Hunting for food on open range is fine or by permission of the land owner. We aren’t talking about this kind of hunting. The issue is penning them in small areas and they using them for target practice or even food. What does everyone think God would say?

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:07pm

      no one is wanting to impose their views. it’s great that you hunt to put food on the table, but do you go to a farm and shoot cows or do you go into the wild and “hunt” free roaming game?

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:17pm

      CONTRARIAN COMMIE,
      You posted;

      Independent and Taha seem to talking past each other. Hunting for food on open range is fine or by permission of the land owner. We aren’t talking about this kind of hunting. The issue is penning them in small areas and they using them for target practice or even food. What does everyone think God would say?

      So COMRADE MAJOR USAF Ret. from this post I gather that you hold the position that SOME animals are CREATED MORE EQUAL than others. The Millions of Cattle, Pigs, Chickens and Sheep that are “Penned up in small areas and killed” so we can eat them, have got it coming and deserve their fate, according to you. BUT CERTAIN OTHER animals are of a much higher class and you and the rest of the PROGRESSIVES/COMMUNISTS have the right to ban this fate for these SUPERIOR ANIMALS on some one elses property.

      Pray tell me how exactly this works my COMMUNIST friend. WHERE EXACTLY did you and your COMRADES get this enlightened authority? Why don’t the rest of us regular people, mere mortals NOT have this POWER? Please elaborate on EXACTLY what the difference is between the two groups of animals. I am sure you being such a learned big time officer, know that EVERY DOMESTICATED animal on Planet earth came from the wild in the beginning. What Deity made the decision as to which was which, and how did that Deity communicate to you the Elite ONLY, just what the decision was? While you search for some answers in your Saul Alinsky Encyclopedia, I’ll move along.

      EXACTLY HOW did the Supreme Authority convey to you the Elite ONLY, that you have the RIGHT and the POWER to FORCE your values on the rest of us Peons? I sure didn’t get that memo, but wait that’s probably because YOU COMMUNISTS are so much BETTER than the rest of us. YEAH that’s it, now I see. In your FANTASY WORLD, PEOPLE are just like ANIMALS, some are for use anyway we need to use them, and others get entirely different treatment, because YOU COMMUNISTS decide that’s how it ought to be. All makes perfect sense now.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:31pm

      Than you need to be check into a psych hospital. “There is only one population which needs to be culled and controlled: humans. Our human population needs to be reduced by one-half, at a minimum” .Btw dont lie about enough food to feed everyone. People are starving because there leaders are lineing there pockets. There are alot of people that still hunt for food in this country or do you think every one has land across the country like you profess. After making that statement and then this one:”Hunting is simply a perverse blood sport to satiate a need to kill to feel powerful.” Along with 2-3 personality changes in your writing styles, your showing your true colors as a progressive. If you think the population is so bad why did you have a child, or is that another of your lies?

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    • America_First
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:23am

      GOTT-EM-MAUSER…you should read what Buck Bagaw…had to say…hes stated fact not fiction…so take a moment to read what he had to say…I am ashamed of myself for bringing this up…but then I have a lifted Jeep that is designed to get me where I need to go…You see I have one leg, but I can push my self, others are not as lucky as me…so take a moment to read what he had to say…Then maybe you will understand why it ok for someone to make a decision to hunt on private fenced in land…

      Buck Bagaw
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:31pm
      Four miles of fenced in land hardly constitutes forcing animals into a pen.You and the rest of the “what if ?” crowd should stick to things you are familiar with ( you know, Oprah, dancing with the stars, et al) and not interfere with the grown-ups who are trying to make a better life for themselves and others. I believe they are planning to specialize in hunts for the disabled who can’t run the ridges or climb the mountains in search of a hunting experience. If or when I am unable to hunt the wild places I would be happy to patronize a business like this just to get outdoors and bring home some prime venison. The last time I checked, and at least for a little while yet, this is still The United States of America where the right of the individual is still paramount. No one is screwing with your rights, let others enjoy theirs. City people!!

      Buck Bagaw…hope you don’t mind me using your words…

      Stop the political correctness that is infecting/destroying our way of life…Freedom of Choice…

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  • Okpulot Taha
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:00pm

    Alright then, how about a fenced hunting preserve populated with elephants, lions, tigers, gorillas, shoot, toss in some eagles and hawks to hunt. No problem there. Heck, build an aquarium where people can take pot shots at whales and dolphins!

    Scott Baker writes, “Butch Dick said he had to install 4 miles of fence to enclose his hunting land.”

    This reads to be 640 acres of land. This is a cowardly turkey shoot. Our family owns a section of land, 640 acres, up north of Reno, Nevada. We can casually walk from one side to the other in twenty minutes or less. We think of 640 acres of land as a backyard.

    This type of hunting is cruelty to animals. This is not hunting, this is simply slaughtering animals for pleasure. I believe your Bible has something to say about this.

    Killing penned animals is simply cowardice. Most ironic, this is a slaughtering perpetrated predominately by men, disgusting cowardly boy-men who get their rocks off slaughtering penned animals. This is not sport, this is not survival necessity, this is men killing and slaughtering for perverse personal pleasure.

    Okpulot Taha
    Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:46pm

      UNTAMEABLE KATE adds to interest, “Cattle are penned and killed. Whether they are shot or struck in the head with a steel bolt doesn’t make much difference, they are still just as dead.”

      Yes, this is a necessity to support our human population. We do make efforts to be humane, we do use as much as possible of those animals; little waste.

      You discuss deer population control up above. I discuss this down below. Truth is, we generate a false excuse to keep wild animals out of neighborhoods and out of cities. I strongly disagree with this but understand we cannot have deer, moose and horses running free on our highways, nor have coyotes and big cats snatching children off our streets. I would rather have wild animals running loose everywhere, but society would never go for this.

      The most apparent problem is our encroaching on wild lands, we are taking away natural homes for wildlife and all living things, such as slashing and burning rain forests for crop land. This is the readily apparent problem. The real problem, to which we will not admit, is there too darn many humans.

      There is only one population which needs to be culled and controlled: humans. Our human population needs to be reduced by one-half, at a minimum. We are now experiencing famine, starvation and food riots around the world. This is an undeniable truth there are too many of us.

      I propose open season on humans. We should hunt and kill humans. White folks on Mondays, black people on Tuesday, browns on Wednesday, yellows on Thursday, other colors on Friday, take a day off on Saturday then kill reds on Sunday because all know reds are not Christians so no problem with the Sunday Holy Day thing. Saturday is a day off for city crews to pick up and haul away dead humans to be rendered into pet food and solyent green.

      If we do not curtail our human population, in coming generations almost all will starve to death or kill each other fighting over food.

      Mother Nature and wild animals will have the last laugh.

      UNTAMEABLE KATE closes, “In my family we all hunt and fish not on game preserves or out of barrels but as it is meant to be, in the wild.”

      This is fine but within limits. Shooting wild turkeys, hooking fish, gigging frogs, yeah, no problem while those animals are not wasted, not simply tossed aside. However, Kate, same problem returns. If too many people hunt, even responsibly, soon there will be no game left to hunt.

      An example is we think of fish as being plentiful. We are now learning different. Many fish are on the verge of extinction, such as salmon in the Pacific Northwest. Schools of tuna are diminishing, whales need to be protected these days. Same is true for other animals and especially for crops. Hunting is a tradition, this is acceptable, but we have reached a point of over-population by humans we can no longer afford to simply hunt for an individual family.

      Problem here, Kate, is fearfully obvious; there are too many humans on earth, too many humans lacking good moral values and lacking respect for Mother Nature.

      My way, I would roll back the clock several thousand years and all would live the way of my American Indian ancestors, in harmony with Mother Nature. This would be paradise on Earth.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Anamah
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:47pm

      You say beautiful things. I do not like people capable to hurt animals. I find they are cowards and sadists. Thank you!

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:03pm

      Taha, that is why hunting is a licensed activity so there is always a strong breeding population. It should always be done responsibly. As far as hunting humans however, just you try it. If you came after my son to thin the population then may God have mercy on your soul because I won’t

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:44pm

      Okpulot Taha The great raven says “Empty heads and open mouths frequently share the same body.” you give American Indians a bad name. I have little doubt gauging by the nature, volume, and frequency of your whining that you would be naturally deselected on this continent before Europe brought change.

      OZ Cherokee nation.

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:02pm

      UNTAMEABLE KATE is concerned, “As far as hunting humans however, just you try it. If you came after my son to thin the population then may God have mercy on your soul because I won’t”

      I think you are a white girl. I do not hunt humans on white day Mondays. No problem, relax. Just do not get a sunburn at the beach on a Sunday, I might mistake you for a red human.

      Mondays our family is usually up at the Bunny Ranch for a different type of hunting sport.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:04pm

      well said! they still won’t answer about **** and dog fighting on private lands! i think it’s a valid question, if they think it’s ok to “hunt” penned animals for money, why not dogs and roosters.
      private or not it’s up to the state to decide and once again if the state (read government) does something they (read rightist) disagree with, it’s infringing on their rights.

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:05pm

      i still thought majority ruled in this country, not the loudest!

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:37pm

      STORM 8259 shrieks, “private or not it’s up to the state to decide…(read rightist) disagree with, it’s infringing on their rights.”

      Blah! You left liberal socialists are as annoying as a white boy who thinks himself a Cherokee raven.

      However, you do make a valid point. There are some here who are right wing tyrants, and at least one suggesting I should leave America, although I am an American Indian. Seems oxymoronic.

      Under law, strict legal sense, we have a “reasonable right to privacy”. Key word is “reasonable” which does not mean “absolute”. Weather permitting, our girl and I run around naked on our land, a good number of heavily forested acres. We like to skinny dip. Our pool is visible, by binocular or by telescope, to several neighbors atop nearby hills. They watch us on a regular basis with “they” being bored old men with nothing better to do than make their wives mad.

      We have a right to privacy but this does not forbid neighbors from spying us romping around naked, nor forbid spying by those police boys up there in their helicopter who circle our home several times before resuming their patrol. We have no right to complain, not that we would because we enjoy putting on a good show. Nor can our horny old men neighbors complain because of our right to a “reasonable” expectation of privacy, this is, they have to use a spy glass to ogle us.

      Neighbors have a right to look onto our land while not setting foot on our private property; public view principle. Neighbors do not have a right to spy into our bedroom windows where the best shows take place, although sometimes neighbors do and what a show! We cannot claim violation of right to privacy because we are aware of being out in pseudo public, least when outside of our house. Although we would not, we could complain about an old boy spy glass peering into our bedroom window for a great show, but a judge would say to me, “You dumb girl, close your darn drapes!”

      Our right to privacy is concealed or not concealed behind very fuzzy gray lines. Privacy rights are a matter of interpretation of law. There are limits to our right to privacy.

      I must touch again upon community standards which is your left liberal view of government. Our respective communities, in general, set what behaviors are acceptable and not acceptable. We do know extreme right wingers would pitch a fit if illegal aliens held Mexican style **** fights in a next door backyard every Sunday, **** fights attended by a hundred beer drinking screaming illegals.

      Extremist right wingers would toss a temper tantrum over Sunday Mexican **** fights, yet those right wingers demand they have a right to do anything they want on their property, including **** fights if they like; now those illegals have a right to complain.

      This “private property” notion pertains to a right to own land. Our private property right does not extend a right do anything you like on your private land. Our girl and I have a right to run around naked, within reason, but we do not have a right to trek naked down to our mailbox street side.

      An instant defeating argument against extreme right wingers who believe private property includes a right to whatever, an argument against this is “building codes”. Build yourself a chicken coop to house fighting ***** and watch how fast a building department will on you to both inspect your coop and to collect fees, and to have a local tax assessor collect taxes on your chicken coop.

      Private property and our right to privacy are not the same. We own private property but a community rules how we use our private property. This is the American way.

      Killing penned up animals for sport, nah, a community is not going for that type of immoral savagery.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:25pm

      ANAMAH is polite, “You say beautiful things.”

      You should see me when I am naked and flapping my jaws!

      ANAMAH is kind, “I do not like people capable to hurt animals.”

      Yes, most of us have serious issues with this. Breaks my heart when a bear or a puma is killed to protect people. This is killing innocent animals behaving as Mother Nature has them. Those who deliberately treat animals cruel, they are the true animals.

      Our family could easily fall into a vegetarian lifestyle. Only meat we eat is turkey and not very often. We are quite content with vegetables, grains, nuts, berries and dairy products.

      We are 95% vegetarian.

      ANAMAH is respectful, “Thank you!”

      Thank you for your kind words. Kindness is always appreciated and is sorely lacking these days.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:30pm

      Yes Taha I am a white girl and not even a little bit ashamed of it, although my grandmother was Cherokee indian. It is not funny or clever to suggest killing people of ANY race. Next time you decide to have a screaming fit please remember to have some little bit of class.

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    • simple thought
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:50pm

      respectfully, 640 acres is more land than most ever dream of owning, and more than enough to make a good hunt. the bible say anything with a split hoof is gods gift to man for eating purposes, this is about the rights of property owners to as they damn well please, the only way many of us survive is by takeing game off the land, you go hungry, ill shoot the game in or out of the fence. the gov. makes us pay for the privledge to do our god given right to survival, by attaching all sorts of fees and tags for everything, it ok for the gov. to get money from hunters , but not land owners, how hypicalcritical of anyone to put the concerns of animals above food on the table, we the people of the cherokee nation have lived of the land our intire existance, bet your tribe dose to, or do you just buy your grub with cacino money from addicted gamblers?

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:01pm

      UNTAMEABLE KATE colors herself, “I am a white girl and not even a little bit ashamed of it”

      I do not understand. Why would you be ashamed of your skin color?

      UNTAMEABLE KATE has difficulty with humor, “It is not funny or clever to suggest killing people of ANY race.”

      Does God have a sense humor?

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:34pm

      SIMPLE THOUGHT has a simple thought, “do you just buy your grub with cacino money from addicted gamblers?”

      Yes! We red skinned peoples are very sly. We invented board games such as Monopoly and Yahtzee to introduce white children to gambling, specifically dice gambling. As you know, dice is a gateway drug. As those children age we introduce them to Fish and Old Maid to have them hooked on a harder drug, card games. Then horse races and dog races. By teenage years, we have them in our back pocket, completely hooked, no chance of recovery, those white kids are gambling addicts.

      Finally, to have your children ours for life, Reno, Las Vegas and naked women. Easy enough to lure those grown up kids into our Indian casinos with false promises of instant riches, lavish lifestyles and all the naked women over in Reno and Vegas they could want.

      If not for my red skinned peoples addicting White Americans to gambling, all of my peoples would be homeless beggars. We are truly a worthless lot, just welfare rats living off White America.

      You remind me of the daughter of famous Ann Landers. This daughter’s name is Margo Howard. She is a far left liberal. As you know, I am a hard working honest staunch conservative. I am debating Margo on some political point, making my conservative case. Margo becomes infuriated knowing she is losing, knowing I am intellectually trashing her. Dear Margo, relationship adviser, becomes so frustrated and angry, she screams a racial slur at me,

      “Excuse me? I believe it was the government who made many of you casino-owning Americans. And rich ones.”

      If my memory serves me, this was back in November of 2008, just a couple of weeks after elections. Seems she became angry with my suggestion Barack Obama would destroy our America. I would like to learn what Margo thinks of Obama today but darling Margo refuses to talk with me.

      How ironic, daughter of famous Ann Landers, who is the most noted personal adviser and relationship counselor of modern history, how ironic her daughter, Margo, ends up married and divorced five times and, ends up a racist.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • Jim AZ
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:27am

      You assume he fenced the entire perimeter? The shape of the plot? Oh, well.

      Where are those aquariums?

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  • Contrarianthinker
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:54pm

    Sorry but hunting is a sport with rules. The “fun” of hunting is that we pit oneself against the Deer and to try to outwit them. That’s why bow hunting is seen as a higher challenge than a powerful rifle.

    That is why its called HUNTING. To force these animals into a small fenced area so they can’t outwit the hunter by escaping, is NOT hunting but pure slaughter. Now if one likes an easy challenge and loves to see blood flowing for the “fun’s sake,“ I think that just may nullify ”property rights.”

    But given the number of NeoCons here who love continiuos wars with its blood, slaughter and inhumaity, I an understand why you come down on the side of unlimited property rights. I just wonder what God will think as one slaughters his creation and NOT for the motive of feeding yoiurself and family. I’m sure he will be laughing. (not)

    I‘m NOT part of PETA in anyway so don’t flame me as a weirdo who hugs trees.

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    • Danglinbags
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:20pm

      Just a reminder, anyone responding to Contrarian will be docked 5 points on my Seksie Scale.

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    • America_First
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:20pm

      Contrarianthinker – this is not my cup of tea…but it is not up to the government or those that never hunted or held a firearm to stop me from doing whit I enjoy…if they are given an inch they will take a mile.

      Also, the Conservation my father is a member of has land that at one time was in the middle of no-where NY…Now a bunch of NYC Sissies bought up the farms and built houses and they want the range shut down…they keep loosing…when they built there homes they knew the range was there, it they did not like the range they should of went elsewhere…Stop treading om my “God Given Rights”!!!!

      So all Constitutional loving North Dakota-ins must shoot this down…these progressives will not stop until the 2nd Amendment is nullified…

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    • Buck Bagaw
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:31pm

      Four miles of fenced in land hardly constitutes forcing animals into a pen.You and the rest of the “what if ?” crowd should stick to things you are familiar with ( you know, Oprah, dancing with the stars, et al) and not interfere with the grown-ups who are trying to make a better life for themselves and others. I believe they are planning to specialize in hunts for the disabled who can’t run the ridges or climb the mountains in search of a hunting experience. If or when I am unable to hunt the wild places I would be happy to patronize a business like this just to get outdoors and bring home some prime venison. The last time I checked, and at least for a little while yet, this is still The United States of America where the right of the individual is still paramount. No one is screwing with your rights, let others enjoy theirs. City people!!

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    • Anamah
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:40pm

      It is repugnant and immoral than being classified as sport or entertainment, an activity that causes pain, fear and suffering to creatures that have no chances enclosed escape, for FUN!!! Sadism can be channeled in other ways without harming other creatures.

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:55pm

      On what planet is sport of higher value than freedom? Are you so shortsighted that you do not see the significance here is property rights? If so you do not deserve the freedom that others paid for in blood. The declaration when first penned read “ The right to life liberty and to own property”

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:32pm

      Nobody thinks you’re a TREE HUGGER.Comrade USAF MAJOR Ret. CONTRARIAN Anybody that has read any of your drivel KNOWS you‘re a PROGRESSIVE COMMUNIST DO GOODER with your BEAK stuck into everybody else’s business. You have the perfect MORAL SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, no doubt from all those years as a MAJOR, telling all the peons when to jump and how high up.

      It‘s more than apparent that YOU don’t like Hunting ANYTHING period, but you have a real aversion to this form of it. FINE, don’t do it, but shut your trap about how other people shouldn’t be allowed to do it either, cuz YOU don’t approve. And stop with all the stupid invalid red herrings about slave girls, and killing children etal. It makes you look even more foolish than you really are, if that’s possible.

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    • whitaker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:48pm

      Alot of the people that goto those type of places have no idea how to truly hunt. They mostly just go there for the experiance.

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    • skiyryder77
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:48pm

      Most deer never travel nore than 3 miles from their birth place. Bucks in rut will roam greater distances but generally they have a very small rende. I hunt my dads 40 acres which is full of deer, and can’t believe how many times I go hunting and never see a thing. There’s no fence but I have watched full grown deer jump a 12 foot fence. As long as the deer aren’t being driven to a hunter I have no problems with a fenced game ranch. I also don’t think the government should tell me what to do with my property. As long as I’m not hurting my neighbors they should stay the hell out

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    • Jim AZ
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:05pm

      Some people like hunting very much. Some find rifle hunting sporting. Some find bow hunting to be better. It is up to THE INDIVIDUAL to choose what tickles their fancy, not you. I find hunting shows funny when the hunter has a close, clear shot and is to excited to squeeze one off. It’s cool that they can find the fun in a pursuit of their choice. My trigger finger works the same on paper or meat, so my experience is a little different. Animals are here for our use. Let the individuals decide what is useful and appropriate. Your hunting at the supermarket is no more humane or sporting than anyone’s.

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    • Infidel III
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:47am

      OK, so I want to go to ND and slaughter, not hunt, my very own elk, and slaughter with my very rifle. Any problem with that??

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  • bhelmet
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:42pm

    If private – then leave it so. Private Property is the backbone of our Freedom. Enough of these enviro-nazis. Wake up citizens of ND and wake up AMERICA – when they are through with North Dakota, you are next.

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  • Deda1
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:41pm

    Time to arrest all the liberals and lock them up in camps and forced mining

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:04pm

      What??? can you say fascism? What you say makes you just as bad as them. We do not lock people up for thier beliefs in this country. No matter how destructive or ignorant those beliefs are.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:32pm

      DEDA, you are a cONSTITUTIONALIST FASCIST. That is an oxymoron.

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:44pm

      Good Idea!! Progressives and Communists are all Criminal Enemies of the Constitution and should be tried for Treason first. But as soon as that detail is out of the way, hunting them for sport and and at the same time administer just punishment would “Kill Two Birds with One Stone”!! (PUN INTENDED)

      AND, to make it FAIR for all the Whiners like CONTRARIAN, we could hunt them like we do Feral Hogs here in Texas. The dogs run them to ground, then the hunter wrestles them down and cuts their throat with a knife. No Fence, No unfair advantage of using a gun.

      BTW USAF MAJOR Ret. You ever KILL ANYTHING up close and personal?? Or did you just sit on your fat butt 40,000 ft up and push a button???

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  • westy98530
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:39pm

    As my old man used to say, the better man hunts with his camera, not his rifle. That being said, Government intrusion on property rights anywhere is the greater evil by far.

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    • rmsuperglide
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:04pm

      Was wild game a part of your old mans diet?

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    • Anamah
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:38pm

      I agree.

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    • Jim AZ
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:52pm

      Was he vegetarian, or did he believe more in supermarkets than cameras?

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    • westy98530
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 1:25am

      Well Jim, if you must know, he was proudly Native American – definitely not a vegetarian. He didn’t oppose killing, just needless killing. Sustenance is one thing, as is population management – but sport alone is a terrible reason to kill. That’s really beside the point though.

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    • Jim AZ
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 5:15am

      I didn’t “must know”, but thanks for sharing, you warm fuzzy, you!

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    • westy98530
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:44am

      Well, you asked.

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  • civilunrestnow
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:27pm

    Who the hell so these people think they are? This is PRIVATE land, animals PURCHASED no different than cattle (but much better taken care of). Are there that many liberals in ND that this even has a prayer? What’s next? telling farmers they cannot given permission to hunters to hunt on their property? Then closing state lands to all hunting? WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE IN NORTH DAKOTA? this shouldn’t even be an issue, let alone a referendum on a ballot….

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:41pm

      Alot of the time stupid stuff shows up on ballots. We have some hippie potsmoking stuff on ours this time. The animals are bred for hunting they are not going out and killing endangered species. I have no problem with fenced hunting even when people are shooting buffalo in corrals as long as they are bred for that purpose, altho I don’t see any sport in it. A persons property is his own to do with as he pleases as long as he isn’t hurting anyone else.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:56pm

      Civil, what if these people rounded up the Deer and placed them in the enclosure? That’s very likely given the huge fees they charge for the slaughter.

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:28pm

      you tell them!!! and we should also allow **** fighting and dog fighting too, it’s all on private property! maybe it’s time to arm the bears!

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    • GOTT-EM-MAUSER
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:38pm

      CIVIL,

      You are entirely correct. Ain’t it interesting how all the PROGRESSIVES and COMMUNISTS never want to talk about the issue at hand. They want to try and change the discussion to Dog Fighting, **** Fighting, Slave Girls, Children Murdering, and anything else that has no relationship whatsoever to the real discussion here about PROPERTY RIGHTS and the TROLLS that HATE those rights?

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    • DagneyT
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:48pm

      Amen, my friend! That this is even an issue in either of the Dakotas is concerning to me! This is one of those issues that makes me feel like I am living in a parallel universe!

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    • frgough
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 10:23am

      @ storm,

      You ever seen a cougar kill a deer? The disembowel and eat the animal while still alive. And you think a bullet in the heart is equivalent to a **** fight. Uh. huh.

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  • snowleopard3200
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:15pm

    Once again the extremists such as PETA and neo-eco dingbats are seeking to deprive america of their existence to make a living. And with their Progressive allies, just think how long it will be until all aniamils are given rights greater than human beings.

    http://www.artinphoenix.com/galley/grimm

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    • blacksmith
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 6:37pm

      storm8259, please,please,please come back and collect your liberal bretheren that you left behind when you left and take them back to the old country with you. Perhaps you can make a utopia there instead of here.

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  • TruthTalker
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:15pm

    Why is it that people feel they have a right to meddle in other people’s business. Give me liberty or give me death.

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    • Rational Man
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:07pm

      It’s not a small business or property rights issue. Do some research about these game hunting farms. There is so much irresponsibilty and problems with these operations, that people in the know don’t want them around. The game farms in Montana can‘t keep their animals inside the fence and they can’t keep the wild animals out. The result is the spread of disease that can wipe out entire herds of wild deer, elk, Bighorn sheep, mountian goats, antelope and others. I have seen lots of problems with them in Montana, not to mention how unsportsmanlike the whole practice is. Almost all the people I know living in places where these game farms are hate them and the people who mis-manage them…………Go’s for me too!

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:12pm

      i thought it was the tea baggers that wanted rights given back to the states, but then you don’t agree with them either, wtf, make up your friggen minds idiots.

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:33pm

      storm8259.. unlike those on the left the people on the right don’t walk in LOCK STEP like sheep.. they have different ideas on things.. it’s a new concept for those on the left.. thinking independently..and when we don‘t agree with something we don’t TRASH it, BAN it, OR Mock it, we just don’t support it..

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:33pm

      What is with law makers thinking they can infringe on our property rights?? HANDS OFF!

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:37pm

      storm8259 Just because we do not want the Feds stepping on our rights does not mean we want any other gov agency pissn on the constitution either. Stop being such a tool. Try asking real questions instead of being a troll.

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    • storm8259
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:18pm

      i respectfully disagree with you independentvoteril, while yes i am a liberal and i am an american that lives in germany. your statement that the left are all sheep is preposterous, on the occasion that i watch glenn beck for the humor, all i see from his followers is hate, on these and fox nation boards especially. the right want to lower the government spending, to do that somethings must be cut. the repub candidate from my home state KY wants to do away with the education department, the FDA, the EPA, what next. how can you possibly follow anyone that made fun of the family in Tennessee, that lost their house in a fire because of a $75 fee. no matter the cause, the fire department is there to protect, for them to stand by and watch was a crime. the family lost dogs and cats in the fire and all beck and his crony could do is ridicule them. i understand the reasoning of they missed a payment, the fire department should have put out the fire then charged them the full costs. what next having to pay for police protection? the EMT won’t save your life if you have no insurance. if they succeed only the rich will be able to get educations (this is when I make a cute beck face). i like an agency that tries and mean tries not always succeeding, but tries to keep bad stuff out of my food or air. as i said before i live in germany and i pay german taxes, but if i get sick, i know i don’t have to worry. my son can go to college without going in debt for the rest of his life. try this google why finland is the highest in education. read something else other than foxnews and “the blaze” whose logo looks eerily like al-jazeera’s

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    • whitaker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:39pm

      @storm Ah where to start. First Do you think the US can keep spending more then its income? The goverment has been living on credit. The FDA and EPA need cuts in budgets and power, did you know EPA wants to tax CO2 you know the stuff you breath out. They also want to regulate the backyard gardens people are trying to grow to help them through tough times.BTW did you know they said fresh milk is dangerous to the environment because of the oil it contains. The house burning is really the countys fault for not using the propity tax to pay for there fire coverage. As for Obozocare its not about healthcare its more of socalist gov controls such as they can look at youur bank account with out notifying you, go in your house to give your kids a healthcare check dosent matter if you want them to or not, gives the prez military trained forch answering only to him, all transactions over $600 must be reported to the goverment. Again WHO is going to pay for this, the US is on the verge of financial collapse. The reason most TEA partyers dont like liberals is because they belieave the lies of the goverment with out checking any of the information for themselves. It would really scare you to learn the truth. Btw its not about D and R its about the country’s future and the politicians grabing all the power they can and ignoring the constution. Look up some of the recrent bills they have been puting out.Last time I checked mau was an evil person, but why does Obozos czars look to him and alenski for advice?
      Think on this and who said it.
      We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Adolf Hitler

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    • TruthTalker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:54pm

      Storm8259, you are indeed a true troll. Your arguments make no sense. “what next having to pay for police protection? ” No the police are free, paid for by the liberal police fairy who spinkles it’s magic dust and pays the salaries, benefits, equipement and …..oh wait, I forgot they aren’t free, taxes are levied to pay for them.
      “do you go to a farm and shoot cows ” Yes as a matter of fact, once it is decided to slaughter cattle for it’s meat, either a 22 caliber rifle or a pneumatic gun is put between it eyes and it is shot point blank, steel hooks with heavy duty chains are inserted into it‘s hind legs and then it is suspended above a concrete floor and it’s throat is slit. It is called butchering, genius. Stay over in Europe Troll8259 we have no use for you.

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:10pm

      Amen!

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    • SgtB
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 8:15pm

      @ “rationalman” Do you know about the deer/elk form of mad cow disease? It’s called chronic wasting disease and is a prion. That means that unlike a bacteria or virus, it is just a random strand of DNA that infects these animals. Oh by the way, it was probably made by scientists messing around with genetics. But, I wouldn‘t commit that mother nature isn’t the one who created it either, she is the ultimate bio-terrorist.

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  • BoilitDown
    Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:13pm

    That’s OK, I’ve just been eating what the cat brings up to the front porch.

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 2:42pm

      mmmm yummy lizards

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    • uneedmorekoolaid
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:05pm

      Anything to take away a small buisness. Wonder who is really backing this? If you own the land do what you want on it. We can‘t escape obama’s treasonous reign so isn’t that illegal? Could these people donate their fences to put on the mexico border, if this passes?

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:15pm

      I do see both sides this issue.. I beleive in property rights.. I also believe in hunting as long as you EAT what you hunt.. however.. if the animals can‘t escape or have not place to HIDE it doesn’t seem very sporting to me for the animals.. Basically what your talking about here is a FARM/RANCH ..I don’t any of which allows you to go in and Hunt their cows.. Doesn’t sound to sporting to me sounds more like LAZY HUNTERS..

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:31pm

      Need I have a small business that sells white slave girls. I do it ONLY on my own private property. You say this is wrong. I say this is my private property. Help me to undertsand.

       
    • Texas Libertarian
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 4:38pm

      As long as the meat is consumed, then these big game farms are at worst EQUAL to farms that raise cattle for the beef industry. What now, the state is not going to let farmers raise cattle? It is time for all forms of government to stay out of our lives. The government’s only responce ability is to protect the constitution from internal and external forces.

      Good luck to the big game breeders. Let this be one for the buisnessman and not for the government.

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    • patriotwoman
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 5:31pm

      @contrarian“thinker”: Slavery is illegal in the US no matter where it is. Is that simple enough for you?

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 7:56pm

      UNTAMEABLE KATE quips, “mmmm yummy lizards”

      Our cat only brings us half eaten rats which is not so bad if you are generous with the paprika.

      Lizards point to your living somewhere in the Southwest, probably California, unless horned toad type lizards, then Texas.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:20pm

      No Taha, I live in Arizona

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    • Okpulot Taha
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:47pm

      UNTAMEABLE KATE is hot, “No Taha, I live in Arizona”

      Hey! I was close enough to fly an arrow in your backside! My brother-in-law and wife are on their way home from Phoenix as I type. Big hot rod car show this weekend. Arizona is gorgeous and very conservative. Love your governor!

      For trivia and related to private property, we do a lot of business just over the line in Arizona. We are stuck in California for now. Many businesses and people were driven out of California by environmental laws and extreme taxes. A lot of those businesses and people moved to Arizona.

      On their way home, my in-laws are dropping off their Camaro show car at a friend’s paint shop in Havasu City to have some custom paint work done. Our friend moved just over the line years back being driven out of business here in California by environmental rules and regulations along with outrageous taxes.

      This is highly related to private property. Our painter friend owned his shop, private property, but California government drove him out of business. He is making more money in Arizona than he did in California.

      Private property rights are simply a myth.

      Okpulot Taha
      Choctaw Nation

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 9:13pm

      Alot of people are coming here from Ca. It never ceases to amaze that they are such a liberal hotbed when it is clear businesses are leaving. That’s OK we will take the business and jobs that come with.

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    • RightWrite
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:35pm

      We now live in crazy-land. Next, these Commies will make us hunt with a spear in the open planes and butcher a cow with a stone knife if we want a steak — then we will have to go swimming with a harpoon if we want fish and chips — no swim fins or air tank, because that would be unfair for the fish.

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    • Jim AZ
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:40pm

      One problem: They tend to keep voting the same way after their moves.

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    • VegasGuy
      Posted on October 24, 2010 at 11:39pm

      Full disclosure: My family has owned land in ND for generations.

      The animals belong to the land owner just like other livestock. Being a small farmer in today’s world is a tough row to hoe and I do not blame the landowner for trying to make a living and maximize the return on his investment. He is following the laws. My gripe is not with him.

      Personally, I would not do it but my circumstances are likely different from his.

      Having said that, there is absolutely no sport or challenge to hunting an animal trapped within the confines of one square mile. The people I have the least respect for are those who will pay to hunt in such a manner. Big city wanna-be pseudo-outdoors-men. New outdoor clothes. A new gun which is likely a high end, large bore magnum with a huge scope. Not a scratch on it.

      I no longer hunt as well as my old hunting buddies who no longer hunt. All of us have come to realize that life is hard enough without someone coming along hundreds of yards away slinging lead in your direction with the precision of a laser all for the “sport” of it.

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    • bimmermatt
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:56am

      Consider the consequences. They‘re saying I can’t put a fence around my property, and if I do, I’m not allowed to hunt on it while abiding by all the state laws? Most people don’t realize how big 400 acres is, let alone 2000. I hunt on 40 acres and believe me, it’s plenty big enough for deer to hide without being seen.

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    • Armed Patriot
      Posted on October 25, 2010 at 7:59am

      Contrarianthinker You offer a false argument. Slavery is illegal, hunting isnt.

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