New Orleans Students Hold Rally in FAVOR of Paddling
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From WWL-TV in New Orleans:
Students at St. Augustine High School held a rally Friday morning in support to keep corporal punishment at the school, particularly the tradition of using paddles to discipline students.
“Leave St. Aug alone, leave St. Aug alone,” chanted hundreds of students in unison during the rally.
Paddling has been part of the predominately African American Catholic school for its entire 60 year history.
“Regardless of how you may personally feel about the paddle,” said Ajani Gibson, a St. Augutine student to the crowd, “The fact is, what our school is doing works. It is seen by the very low dropout rates we have at this school.”
The rally comes a week after a heated town hall debate at the school with parents, teachers, alumni and members of the New Orleans Archdiocese.
A halt was put on the practice this year at the request of the school’s board of trustees, after Archbishop Gregory Aymond said paddling doesn’t belong in a Catholic school.“You’re not just taking away a form of discipline, you’re taking away a way of life at St. Augustine. It‘s like telling Leah Chase she can’t use one of her spices she puts in her gumbo,” said Jacob Washington, a student.
Aymond said St. Augustine is the only Catholic school in New Orleans that still practices corporal punishment, against the policies of the Archdiocese of New Orleans.
“I believe hitting a child, or a young man, does not build character,” said Aymond during a town hall meeting at the school.
Many parents and alumni, despite the archbishop’s strong feelings about corporal punishment, support the practice believe it should be continued.
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Comments (98)
BBomber66
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:07amTry the discipline in a military boarding high school. There was a lot that was physical, but little corporal punishment. The threat of a spanking was there. Having been spanked in public school by teachers made me fully aware of the pain associated with misbehaving. Mrs Cowan, 2nd grade, had one of those paddles that used to have a rubber ball on a rubber band. It stung. The high school football coach walked around with a 3-foot slat or board–it looked like a 2×6. The guy was 6′5″ and rumor had it that he could swing it. Just the thought of that swing gave me the willies and I then kept myself in line, almost. There was this once…. I studied; I learned; I graduated.
Report Post »Contrarian51
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:34pmCatholic schools and corporal punishment are an American tradition. Anyone who hasn‘t had their knuckles rapped by a nun with a ruler hasn’t had a full life.
Make fun of the paddling but these kids sound like they’re going to turn out all right. They’ve already learned a lesson that liberals never learn: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Their school works and they like it that way. Why mess with it?
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:42pmAn Archbishop said that paddling doesn’t belong in a Catholic School? I went through Catholic Schools (50 + years ago) all of my life & the ruler/paddle was in plain view. We had 60 students or more per class & THERE WAS NEVER A DISCIPLINE PROBLEM. We also learned the 3 R’s and not the crud & lies that are being taught now. Political correctness destroys the truth.
Report Post »salvawhoray
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:37pmmakes sense to me, I mean most of them don’t have a father the beat them when they do wrong and mom is off seaking another man so that leaves the schools to beat their ass.
Report Post »Colt45acp
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:33pmIt works, they need that in the public schools
Report Post »MADASHELLONE
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:59pmIt sure does work and the kids these days need it more than ever they are out of control and maybe this would help in getting them back on the write path. We could only hope.
Report Post »barrycooper
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:48pmA LOT of kids are out of control these days. They were not 40 years ago. The stories I hear coming out of modern classrooms turn my stomach, and make it hard to hope for better days from this class of derelicts, moral midgets, and ingrates.
What, in the end, are these kids asking for? Order. No one who does not deserve it, let us assume, gets paddled. No one at all ever need get paddled. There is no curve. In New Orleans–and I was just there a month or so ago–will benefit from kids who learn to control their behavior to avoid the paddle.
These kids, to be clear, will be an elite. They will be giants among midgets. It should not be this way. This is not the best way. But it may be the best POSSIBLE way.
Why not think they have know better than we what is best for them? That is the point of freedom.
Report Post »fertlmind
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:47pmKinky
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:44amThank you sir, may I have another….Thank you sir, may I have another….Thank you sir, may I have another…
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:41pmi was the poster child for paddling in school,the paddle had my rear end impressions in it. okay they waited for me to get to school to heat the paddle up. any ways, paddling never hurt anything but pride,nothing else maybe a little sting . this woman says she don’t believe hitting a young man ,because it don’t build character ,i guess she has never had one of those undisciplined young men stand up and cuss her or threaten to kill her,let that happen ,and i bet she sing a different tune. discipline is only what you give or get the more you get the better you will be as a human,the less you get the worse kinda human you will be, i am glad for the paddling i ask for in school,i never got what i did not ask for.
Report Post »JLSpyder
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:07pmThe teacher that paddled in 6-grade had a paddle where you signed a square on it once the paddling was finished. The school shut him down after some parent complaigned. I can tell you we did not misbehave in his class.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:26pmjlspyder, we always had a choice take take the swats or they would call my parents,i knew those swats would not be near as bad as what i would get a home. so i was glad to let them swing away.
Report Post »MaggieRose
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 9:13amPoster child for paddling… hillarious! Boy does that bring back memories! I remember the “place of honor” the paddle had in every classroom… We walked by that thing on tiptoes holding our breath! Nothing like the sound of that “whack” in the silent hallway to make us all sit up straighter and listen a little harder.
Report Post »bhh
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:39pmThese boys are proud of their tradition. It is a fraternal bonding thing. But what about the boys that dont want to be spanked? This is a high school, not an elementary school. I would tell the principal to take a hike.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:49pmbhh, they just don’t paddle you because they can,if you or your parent decide not to let you be paddled,then you would either have to serve d hall, or after school study hall,or if that can’t get your attention,you could be expelled. it was always your choice. so go head and teach kids to tell the principle to take a hike, and then we will see what happen when they decide to tell ever one they know to take a hike, o yeah,that sounds like what van jones just said. and look where we are in the schools and our society no respect, and no moral values, sounds what van jones just said, don’t respect the elderly and that the young kids are gods,so much for respect and values.
Report Post »crazytalk
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:34pmThey wouldn’t be in favor of it if they experienced some of the custom paddles I sampled in elementary school. I think in was an earlier form of caining. Very effective.
Report Post »polswack
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:14pmYou don’t think these well spoken kids know whats what???
Dale and Nigel, LOVE your responses! Best laugh I’ve had all day.
The world has turned upside down and it takes some truly wise teenagers to show us the way back and remind us that the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes. Compare this to Van Jone’s total disrespect for the youth displayed in his recent speech. Who truly has value in a revolution? Depends on the tone and heart of the leaders. To quote an old CrosbyStillsNash&Young song,” Jesus Christ was the first non-violent revolutionary”. Following Him were Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.
My Husband and I raised/are raising six children and are praying for the five very young grandchildren (whose parents are married, and were BEFORE they got pregnant!) we have that they will be salty additions to this degenerate culture for as long as it takes.
God help us. Lord have mercy.
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:10pmI am leery of anything that comes out of N. O. other than craw fish.
Report Post »Eyeball
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:08pmPaddling is better to control rowdy boys than usning Ritalin to turn them into little sheep.
Report Post »JLSpyder
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:03pmI have a friend at work that gets called into school every once in a while. The teacher of his 7 year-old son complains because he will throw tantrums and refuses to read so the teacher thinks he is developmentally disabled. The parent has told the teacher that he is behaved at home and can read just fine. When he gets tantrummy (my word), the parents put a stop to it. They will not tolerate that behavior. The child was also tested by the school for reading and scored higher than his grade level. Disciple is key. My friend is a young parent, but knows what is right.
My friend at work says that if that boy senses weakness, he will exploit it. He and his wife are now discussing homeschooling.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:55pmIt turns them into future Liberals.
Report Post »hownowbrownmao
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:01pmyou cannot paddle in Republican states! it gives them BRAIN damage
Report Post »jefryga
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:57pmThese are really good kids. Their wisdom is beyond their years. Corporal punishment worked in my school. It worked on me. Now, in many instances, the kids do not respect their teachers and some of the teachers are afraid of the kids.
Report Post »Mainer forever
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:55pmThe nuns at my school on occasion, did hit students with rulers. Mostly it was the boys who got into trouble. Trust me…given the choice of being spanked by one of them or my father…..I’d take the nuns whippen any day.
Report Post »obama_binpharteen
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:54pmI’m all for a swat on the a$$, sometimes you need to get a child’s attention, but that’s it. Any more is abuse. However, we’ve become a nation of parents who threaten there disrespectful kids with taking away there IPOD for a day, or no TV for a week as punishment. (I see it 1st hand with my Brothers 8y/o son and 11 y/o daughter)
Report Post »kindling
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:52pmI would have to tell my kids they will have to watch TV because they hate TV. The real power of the paddle in school is the humiliation of getting it in front of other kids. There is no shame anymore, have you noticed? The left is made up of all the kids that got chosen last for kickball so they have decided to stop doing anything that will humiliate a child. Everything is falling apart, schools, families, government, in short everything the progressives has touched.
Report Post »JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:52pmI was paddled when I was a kid and now I’m a resonsible productive part of our society. Somebody should pull up Obamas’ skirt and paddle him too!
Report Post »obama_binpharteen
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:55pmYeah, I bet Chris Matthews would like that job, all in the name of man love.
Report Post »Psychosis
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:51pmforget that this school has a success rate unmatched by ANY public school and lets not consider that discipline may have a huge part to do with that
idiots
Report Post »scola91660
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:49pmKudos to these kids. They are not wimps and understand that there should be consequences for bad behavior.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:59pmAnd, they are being honest with themselves about respect for authority.
Report Post »miles from nowhere
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:46pmYou mean they quit singing songs about Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:44pmThe responsibility of corporal punishment belongs to the parents, not any school.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:58pmThey paddled in my school, and I don’t know of but a couple of drop-outs. I never got a paddling, but my brother did!
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:34pmDoc, I agree to a point. A teacher need more than Detention or aprincipal to get a kids attention. The threat of a paddling would help some kids not turn out to be pampered princes
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:52pmDear Dr…it’s not your right,
It should belong to the parents, however, in many cases, especially public schrools, the raising and disiplin of our children has been handed over to the state. I think in this particular case and history, we have a private school who have worked together with parents (over 60 years) to arrive at a policy they agree has worked and results that bare witness to it. and we have students who are not opposed to the method/ policy and have seen that it is a winning formula.
If these parents, kids and school officials can agree on the policy their views should not be infringed upon by the religious authority (liberal/ corrupt) or by your personal view. You should do what you feel is best with your children…just let these groups of parents and kids alone.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:44pmwhen we turned the teaching of our children to teachers we placed those teachers in the position of parents for the time they are at that school. If the teachers have no power to stop out of control behavior in their classes…..well that is what we have now. Those kind of kids have grown up and have their own kids and those kids are turning out even worse.
Report Post »BJC
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:29amThey paddled in my school and then when I got home and my parents found out I got another paddling. I haven’t never stole anything, robbed anyone, hurt anyone or been locked up. The way young people act today it seems like a good paddling would do them good.
Report Post »sonseeker
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 6:31pmWhere I lived it belonged to the whole community and therefore we respected all adults.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:43pmIs there a presidential paddle?
Report Post »Nigel2
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:44pmYes!! It is called the voting booth. Spank him hard!
Report Post »kindling
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:41pmNo, it is impeachment, but you can still spank him hard!
Report Post »neverending
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:42pmGood for them. We would get a smack on the hand with the ruler and if that happened we got a double dose when we got home. I can think of a lot of kids that need paddling.
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 10:31pmIt’s very telling that the students themselves are in favor of upholding this practice. The archbishop doesn’t seem to be listening to his flock. Could be that old nemesis “political correctness” is more important to him. The school has been a success for sixty years and has a low drop-out rate. Why try to fix things that aren’t broken?
Report Post »kindling
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 11:38pmI believe it is where education went wrong first. Just because a teacher can spank a kid is usually enough to keep all the kids from acting out. Now days, kids know there is only a vacation from school if they are bad. I told my kids I would allow teachers to paddle them if they were bad, is only it were not against the law. My daughter told her teacher what I said and the teacher said she would love to paddle her. Her behavior got better after that.
Report Post »boomer40
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:23amAAAA-hun that’s right I am a Purple Knight–Gold on my left– Purple on the right–I’m Black on the inside that makes me a Purple Knight!!!!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:41pmSpank me, I’ve been bad……Are you kidding me?
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 8:47pmI’m sure the students were tole that they better rally in favor of this, or the nuns would paddle them.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:11pmThis just came in : Charlie Sheen just enlisted @ St. Augustine High School .
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:13pmFunny how an Archbishop thinks he know better than God what children need !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them………….Proverbs
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far away. Proverbs
Saying 13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die. Proverb
Punish them with the rod and save them from death.
A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom, but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother.
Report Post »calamari12
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:13pmi think this is a good practice to continue. I went to a Protestant Christian academy for preschool and kindergarten an knew that I’d never be bullied or have to defend myself from assault because the punishment would be a spanking BY THE PRINCIPAL.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:27pmAs Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.” (Matthew 10:34-35 NASB)
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:33pmProv 13:24: “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently).”
Prov 19:18: “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.”
Prov 22:15: “Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.”
Prov 23:13: “Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.”
Prov 23:14: “Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel).”
Prov 29:15: “The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.”
Hebrews 12:6-7: “…the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?”
Report Post »leahasevedo
Posted on March 8, 2011 at 9:44pmi think its good that the children can understand that actions have consiquences. i am from louisiana and i think that this is a good practice and if the kids do not feel violated and the parents are ok with it then let them be. i think the parents and the students who are subject to this are more informed and can make a more clear decision than the rest of us on this issue. go st. aug.!!!!!
Report Post »Iam4EnoughALREADY
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:10am@JZS
why did you stop…are you taking the bibile out of context?….not finishing the rest of the verses…..I challenge all to open the book and read before and after matthew 10:34- I do not want to prejudge or assume anything….just hope the right message is understood….God Bless….
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 4:26amPaddle us! $$$$$$$
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grandmaof5
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:23amWell, let’s see…they got rid of corporal punishment in the public schools and how is that working for them? Teacher’s are bullied by their 16 yr old 7th graders, class is disrupted and no one learns. The reason they stopped that practice is law suits – the threat of law suits and the publicity it evokes scares the heck out of school districts. I volunteered in guidance when my kids were in middle school, back when they still paddled. The dean of girls put the fear of God in those kids and swung alot harder than the dean of boys. They had very few problems in that school.
niki
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:44amI thnk a lot of you are missing a huge point. THE CHILDREN HAVE ALL THE POWER. If they are good there is no punishment. THEY HAVE THE CHOICE. Second, I the when they talk about “the rod” in the bible they are talking about scripture. Back then, a rod was not what we think of it as today. Lastly, JZS, you quoted:
As Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.” (Matthew 10:34-35 NASB)
Maybe you need to not look so literally at that passage.
Report Post »jmbogstad
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 8:14amI was paddled 30 or 40 times in 7th grade. It did not fix my problem, it would have been nice if someone had realized, maybe there was something else going on here, but I would not remove paddling just because it did not work on me. I would stress to the school staff to look deeper, when paddling does not help. They must have the attitude that, when one thing does not work, we must try something else. You cannot fix all ailments with an aspirin, and you can’t fix all behavioral problems with paddling, but it is a tool the schools should have.
Report Post »angelcat
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 8:18amFirst, I doubt there are many, if any, nuns teaching there. Second, I have never heard of a Catholic schools where students were encouraged to rally against anything things like abortion, so I doubt that happened either. I would be very interested in seeing what results this school is getting besides a low drop out rate. Are students more successful in college, in life? Do they have fewer out-of-wedlock babies? Are fewer on welfare? Do they more or fewer mental problems? This would give a better idea if the paddling is effective and more than just a tradition. BTW, I worked at a public school that paddled and, though the paddle was rarely used, it was very effective in this school. When paddling was removed as an option, behavior went downhill. I’m not necessarily in favov or paddling, but if the results show it makes a positive difference, maybe it needs to remain.
Report Post »ARMOR BEARER 147
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 9:06am@ NIKI
I am at a loss for where you get the interpretation that “the rod” in Proverbs is Scripture. “The rod” is a literal rod of discipline for the shepard. It is used to poke or beat a sheep into compliance. The use of the physical rod is made clearer in several passages:
Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. [Proverbs 23:13-14]
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back. [Provers 26:3]
The punishment for a rebellious child before Christ was not a good Torah study. It was DEATH.
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. [Deuteronomy 21:18-21]
I am not saying beat your child for every little discression. But, if a child is to learn critical thinking and consequential decision making, corporal punishment should “be on the table” for flagrant disobedience. Especially lying!!
“Better [is] the poor that walketh in his integrity, than [he that is] perverse in his lips, and is a fool.” [Proverbs 19:1]
The child also needs to know this is the option THEY are choosing. You can‘t just whip it out because you’re angry. It should be administered ceremonially not emotionally. and it should end with clear-headed conversation, forgivness, and a hug.
“thy rod and thy staff they comfort me” [Psalm 23:4b]
The rod for discipline the staff for drawing near. May we draw our children near to us and near to God through Christ our Good Shepard.
Report Post »2GodBeTheGlory
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 9:46am> niki
Report Post »Please check your facts about the “Rod”. Ask a Rabbi or a true historian with actual facts and not supposition. God understands that we are not only born into sin, we have a sin nature and as with all children rebel – (hot stove as an example). Do not get me wrong, I believe that most “spankings” are performed incorrectly (i.e. mad, scarred, frustrated, without thought, without love). Understand that children have a need to know their loved in everything that they do, however, consequences are a necessary part of learning – and they need that as well. As each of us are different and have different needs, one might not ever need corporal punishment, whereas some might need continual correction. Those that discipline without love cause enormous damage, regardless if done with corporal or verbal.
independentvoteril
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:32amYep.. Dr. Spock even reversed his thoughts on this.. after he came in contact with a few of the kids who parents read and followed his book.. When will the BLEEDING HEARTS realize.. KIDS need parents and leaders who are in CHARGE..? who set limits and rules..? I have 3 kids.. they now have kids.. they are realizing the insanity of my rules and punishments when they were younger were because I LOVED THEM.. and decisions I made were not always easy but had to be made.. NOTHING is wrong with a paddling.. IF it’s deserved.. and that proverb I read.. is SPARE THE ROD SPOIL THE CHILD..
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 10:58amWatch the otherhand and sintamace,
Report Post »Appearantly the catholic church leaders don’t know their biblical studies as mcuh as you. I think that the church as been taken over by PC and has lost it’s way.
natstew
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 11:21amDumbass, that‘s not what they’re saying.
The destruction of America began with the Babyboomers comming of age.
Report Post »jetpack
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 12:25pm@NIKI
Report Post »The rod was used by the shepherd to protect the sheep. It’s a literal device. Scripture teaches us that bad decisions lead to pain and one of the ways God allows us to teach our children this lesson is through the use of the rod. When properly applied, it’s a sign of love. If we don’t love our children, we will let them go their own way. Scripture is timeless. Please interpret it in the way it was intended and not according to current societal trends.
watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 1:51pm@ NIKI………..You are completely wrong on calling the rod scripture. This is what a rod was used for in Jesus’ Day……When shepherds watched over sheep, sheep had a tendency (especially when young) to wonder off and place themselves at risk of being devoured by a wolf or lion or other predator. So the shepherd would take his rod and break one of the legs of the sheep and then carry it wherever they would go to teach it to not wonder off. Was the shepherd cruel? Of course not, he cared for his little sheep and did not want to see it killed (picture of eternal death) but needed to teach it that the world is most dangerous and wicked and that there are many forms of predation in it. If the sheep would continue to make the foolish decision to wonder off then they are at risk for being devoured. Now do we break children’s legs??? Of course not, but this would be the context with which the writers of proverbs would have written and listener’s would have understood. It is hatred of the child to let them act in rebellious ways that teach them to disrespect and rebel against all forms of authority (especially God’s) when authority is meant to be protective in most cases (although as with all things this too can be perverted twisted and abused by evil people). Going their own way would be the broad road that leads to destruction in most every case. That is why scripture says do not be a willing party to the destruction of your child by withholding discipline and the rod !!!!!! The world has no concept of what real love is all about. I hate to spank my kids, hate it with a passion, but I know that if I do not when they are in need of this type of correction that I am choosing to love myself more than them at that moment and this would be the height of selfishness. Now then to give proper balance I will denounce (and pound) anyone who abuses a child or disciplines in anger or frustration that is evil and wicked and just as destructive as not spanking at all but for different reasons. And BTW….children do not have all the power !!!!! They are to be in submission to their parents with full respect to their authority !!!!! Just as parents are commanded not to exasperate their children with their authority. Your way of thinking is not biblical on this subject. I would encourage you to study this topic more in depth and check out the original language and meanings.
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