New Politically Correct Bible Translation Causes Stir With Conservative Christians
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP/The Blaze) — There‘s a new translation of the world’s most popular Bible: the New International Version, or NIV. It has been criticized by some conservatives who don’t like its use of gender-neutral language, arguing altering the text may affect its theological message.
The new version does not change the pronouns referring to God, who remains “He” and “the Father.“ But it does aim to avoid using ”he“ or ”him” as the default reference to an unspecified person.
In one example of the altered text, Mark 1:17 in the NIV Bible reads: “‘Come, follow me,’ Jesus said, ‘and I will send you out to fish for people.’” The NIV Bible uses “people” instead of the traditional term “men.”
In the old translation, John the Evangelist declares: “If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ yet hates his brother, he is a liar.“ The new politically correct translation makes it ”brother or sister.”
In other cases, the text supplements “whoever” for “he.”
The NIV Bible is used by many of the largest Protestant faiths. The NIV Bible’s translation comes from an independent group of biblical scholars that has been meeting yearly since 1965 to discuss advances in biblical scholarship and changes in English usage.
The NIV’s 2011 translation does not change pronouns referring to God, who remains “He” and “the Father.“ But it does aim to avoid using ”he“ or ”him” as the default reference to an unspecified person.
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has tracked the NIV‘s changes over the years and has declined endorsement for this year’s edition:
NIV(1984) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
TNIV(2005) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with them, and they with me.
NIV(2011) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
“Our prayer is that evangelicals will continue to be very discerning with regard to the Bibles that they purchase and will utilize those translations that are the most accurate,” the CBMW says. (Click here to see the group’s extensive review of the 2011 NIV)
Gender identifiers are not the only words changed in the new translation. In another example, as noted by KTBC in Austin, a passage about Jesus’ mother Mary now refers to her as “a young woman” instead of “virgin.”
The Southern Baptist Convention has yet to comment on the 2011 NIV Bible, but it’s expected to reject the new translation as it did the 2005 version. The nation’s largest Protestant denomination still sells the 1984 translation in its bookstores. If it chooses to condemn the new version, the announcement will likely come at its national convention in June.
In the meantime, the publisher says the NIV 2011 will replace both the 1984 and 2005 versions.
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Comments (312)
Emma Nelson
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:58amIf you either add or detract from the meaning
Report Post »read the last verses of Rev
blondenblueeyed
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:09pmYou forgot about Deuteronomy….”Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminsh ought from it….”
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:20pmsounds like a politically correct definition. of course, if you KNEW the history of the Bible as you know it today – it was a “politically/religiously” correct book from the beginning of putting it together. and every time it’s been “translated” it’s made to sound good to whoever it was translated for. Judeo/Christian religion is a MALE based religion. Not until the Catholics raised Mary to be a goddess were women even allowed to speak in “church” – although there were “prophetesses”. Esther doesn’t count, heroine that she was, she was “Miss Jew” that married the boss and so was able to save her people. Ruth, well Ruth and her mother-in-law were able to trick the man into making her his wife, undoubtedly she may have been a beautiful woman, but even he saw the benefit of obtaining her property.almost all the rest of the women in the bible weren’t very good: Eve ate an apple and got all the mankind in all kinds of trouble. Jezibel got herself and her husband killed, to say nothing of her Baal priests. etc. etc.
as for BlondenBlueyed: so, exactly what do you call all of the books that followed that statement?
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:59pmYes, and they will reap whatsoever they shall sow.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:40amThe “meaning for meaning” excuse falls on its face as a justification for this bullcrap. Take the example shown above:
NIV(1984) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
TNIV(2005) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with them, and they with me.
NIV(2011) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Notice that “anyone” is SINGULAR. One, ONE individual is imagined, thus the pornouns that the Greek has, and that all rational translations until the NRSV and other “inclusive” versions have “him” and “he”. The NIV 1984 does this. But the TNIV changes the pronouns to plural to avoid the embarrassment of only using the male singular. This is consistent but inaccurate grammatically. Now the new NIV mixes it up so that one pronoun is singular and another if plural FOR THE SAME person. What does that accurately communicate except that rational grammar and meaning are irrelevant to the translators.
Are Bibles now supposed to reflect bad grammar and illiteracy? Where’s the Ebonics Bible then?
Report Post »bdmf80
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:56amFunny thing, ebonics bible, since they do make a bible for the african american. And no, I am not joking about that either. I was in the christian bookstore here in town, which nobody is ever in, I came across the The Bible for the African American. It was in like a plastic wrap, so I was not able to even look at it. My main question was-is it that different that they would need their own bible? And isn’t it against His word to change the bible? But it worked out, cause later that year for christmas I got the Charles Stanley Life Principles bible :)
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:36amThey make an “Environmentally friendly” version of the Bible, also. It is printed on recycled paper and has verses printed in green that they perceive are meant for us to preserve the environment.
Report Post »We have a Green-Peace guy in the neighborhood who passes these out to the local churches.
kickagrandma
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:20am@ISLESFORDIAN ~~~ Was just on SKYPE with our daughter and going bonkers over the grammatical errors in the new transliteration, never mind the spiritual errors which are ENORMOUS and cannot be excused by any CHRISTIAN denomination!
Report Post »FlameKeepersUSA
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:29amhttp://www.flamekeepersusa.com
Just curious, is there several per“versions” of the Quran as there are with the Bible? Or do Muslims find the idea unfavorable?
Just curious
Report Post »Whostolemypig
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:29amI suppose hell is a nice sunny beach in the south pacific.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:18am@WHOSTOLEMYPIG ~~~ You nailed it. At least that is how satan will present it to us, then once we sign on with him and do not have the wisdom to change our minds, he will strip away the lie and we will see the truth. Picture if you will nancyp and hillaryc when they were young and attractive….(?)……satan will show you them then when it’s all said and done they REAL replaces the false and you are stuck with the current them for all eternity.
Now that picture should convert anyone! : )
Report Post »Georgia Born and Bred
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:29amThe simple fact of the matter is that if you can’t fluently read Hebrew or Greek, everything is a translation. All this talk about the different NIV, KJV, NKJV, NLT, NWT, etc, etc…. THEY DON’T MATTER! What it all boils down to in the end is the ability to get the MESSAGE. Thats all thats important. Whereas I do believe that the Word can be distorted and formed to a person’s own ideologies, the Almighty God I believe in is still in the Word. Forget the politics and religious concepts and the PC censorship and focus on the message and once you know what your looking at in your heart, you can decide for yourself which translation best fits you.
Report Post »Ghostrider
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:40amGeorgia, gotta disagree with you on the it don’t matter what translation you use. It really does. Because some of the translations take out the Blood, take out the Diety of Christ, take out the mircle of the virgin birth, by calling her a youing woman. We do not read Grek, Hebrew. So the Authorized and Anointed King James Version is the one I recommend read. Do not allow MAN to tell you that it is okay to read whatever version you want. If man wrote it, especially for profit, then it is man who decides what God meant instead of the Holy Spirit.
Report Post »sleepwalker
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:27amANOTHER version of the Bible !! Most Christians believe adamently that the KING JAMES version of the Bible is “THE WORD OF GOD” and its integrity cannot be questioned. Yet they do not even know who King James was or why there is a King James version and what changes were made from the original text and interpretations. Neither do they know, or seem to care, how the text of the books of antiquity were altered, edited and even censored by the Catholic Church from their original form. How about THIS- – - print a Bible with ALL the books in it- – UNALTERED, UNCENSORED and translated directly from THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, correct the mistakes made by the original scribes in their translations from the old Hebrew and Arameic, THEN there can be no discussion as to what should or should not be in the Bible. IF the Bible is to be considered SACRED it should include EVERYTHING originally written, NOT to be altered in any way by modern man.
Report Post »Nocoincidence
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:19amI read the NKJV. The kids have children’s bibles. We have a great time reading the same verse in each of the different bibles and talking about what we think it means.
We won’t be getting a politically correct bible any time soon.
Report Post »WhatWasIThinking?
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:18am@Islesfordian, the NWT is the most accurate translation. John 1:1 is translated properly from the original Greek text. The other Bibles that follow in the mold of the KJV and the Catholic Bible have translated John 1:1 to read that Jesus was Himself, God. A fallacy that Jesus disproved. John 17:3 and many others.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:05amAll the other translations translate from the Greek. So how would you know which is more accurate?
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:32pmislefordian is not one to reason this subject out.
Report Post »All he wants to do is argue, to the point of nausea.
He is a defender of catholicism. This is fine if he wants to do this, everyone has to defend his beliefs, but it is not profitable to participate or respond to his attacks against the truth.
Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:06pmI’m a defender of historical accuracy. i’m not catholic. I’m an Anglican.
But it’s clear what YOUR agenda is. Those like you are always afraid of arguing with people who actually KNOW something about history and the Bible.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 5:01pmIoannes 1:1–
En arche ein ho logos kai ho logos ein ho theos…
The most literal tranlation possible for this, taking no account of English grammar, would be:
In beginning was the word and the word was the god…
making
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God…
the most accurate translation possible which is in accord with English grammar.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 5:45pmKomponist,
I don’t know where you got that Greek text but it is wrong. THIS is the actual text.
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
en arckei ein ho logos kai ho logos ein pros tov theov kai theos ein ho logos
What JWs point to is the absense of the definite article before Theos at the end. But you really can’t prove anything either way by this.
What is more telling against them is verse 3:
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
This clearly shows him as being separate from the category of “things that were made” so that those things could be made THROUGH him. Jesus thus cannot be a made thing. He is not created but rather is uncreated. Since only God is uncreated that puts the Word squarely in the God category.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:27pmThanks for that correction. I was going on memory but my Greek is actually terrible (well I can read the alphabet, but my vocabulary is underwhelming), so…
At any rate, I agree. Apologies for my incomplete memory.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:25pmIslesfordian,
You said; “Jesus thus cannot be a made thing. He is not created but rather is uncreated. Since only God is uncreated that puts the Word squarely in the God category.”
However, the Bible says:
Revelation 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John. – 3:14 “And to the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.
Colossains 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.
John 17:1-5 Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
John 6:60-62 Therefore many of his disciples, when they heard this, said: “This speech is shocking; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? 62 What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?
He was to go back to heaven to be with his Father, God, Jehovah.
John 8:57-59 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to hurl [them] at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.
They did not want to hear the fact that he had a prehuman existence.
Please review again. John 17:1-5 Jesus is God’s Son.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 19, 2011 at 8:52amGod’s Son shares the nature of God. Just as the son of a man is a man and the foal of a horse is a horse, so if the Son of God divine in nature. But there are not two Gods but only one.
Jn 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me
Look how one action, the sending of the Spirit, Jesus portrays as being done by the Father and then being done by him.
14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name
15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth.
Father and Son are both God, One God, because God is One.
Dt. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD
Report Post »John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:17amWhen these gender neutral Bibles firdt came out, the NRSV being the first I believe, it was TIME magazine, yes, TIME, and not CHRISTIANITY TODAY, that noticed the key change made that should matter to anyone who reads the Bible traditionally.
Psalm 8:4 was changed so that the messianic meaning was eliminated:
What is man that you are mindful of him
And the son of man that you care for him?
This was changed to:
What are mortals that you are mindful of them,
and human beings that you care for them?
This is important for any Christian because this psalm is quoted in Hebrews 2 and clearly meant to refer to Jesus
Consequently, all these gender neutral translations have removed Jesus from a passage in the New Testament making it instead refer to us.
That’s a pretty big error in my book.
Report Post »historypaper
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:11amMen write books and this is the example. Change the words, change the meanings. The Three Little Pigs Bible.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:23amHa, ha….you GOT it RIGHT, Historypaper. Thank you for your perspective, right on point and well stated.
Report Post »cindiv30
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:08amYou didn’t notice the social justice in the translation in your picture above…
The picture says “I will make you fishers FOR people”
the original says “I will make you fishers OF men”….
Lord help us…
Report Post »Touche Turtle
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:01amI am continually amazed that there are people who not only invest their time but their knowledge this way. There are all kinds of things that have to be dealt with in our world, and you would think very LOW on the totem pole would be to change the pronouns, etc in the Bible!!! I am truly hoping that God has a sense of humor because to me this is just a waste of time and natural resources as well as implications of messing with the Big Guy!!!!!
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:27pmThey are not just changing the pronouns. I’m sure you read the entire article. Changing Mary’s status from “virgin” to “young woman” changes the divinity of Christ and negates prophecy concerning the coming of our Messiah and His roots. If Jesus is not born of a virgin, as phrophecy hearalds, then he is just another man/ teacher, rabbi, etc. and not the Son of God. Not sure why you can’t see this.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:38pmBTW, your acceptance of Mary being just a “young woman” would validate the muslim stance, and Bell’s universal church stance, not to mention the JW’s, on Jesus as well. If you cling to any of those stances you may be destroyed in the process. Just food for thought.
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:57amIt is not about the words, it is about the meaning. If I remember my history there was quite a bit of contreversy when the King James version translated the Latin to English and wasn’t there a question when they changed from Greek to Latin??? And why aren’t we reading it in the original Aramaic?? Don’t let them divide us over the semantics. IT IS THE MESSAGE NOT THE WORDS!!!
Report Post »338lapua
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:28amRight on!
Report Post »NickDeringer
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:55am“And on the seventh day God ended his or her work which he or she had made; and he or she rested on the seventh day from all his or her work which he or she had made.”
Hmmmm…. nope!
Do feminists actually read the Bible?
The New King James is very good and easy to read. So is the the New Living Translation. I still read the 1984 NIV before it really went overboard. I suspect the people who own the NIV translation will be releasing yet another version when sales drop like a rock.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 5:08pmAnd let‘s not forget Jesus’ favorite title for Himself: the Son of Person.
Report Post »jeepkid99
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:53amWhatever,this publisher has a niche that they fulfill,they’re well within their rights to do so. I,and others,are free to buy a version that doesn’t go the PC route. Thinking people know what the generality of the pronouns mean anyway
Report Post »WhatWasIThinking?
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:49amThe NIV was already a very poor translation. If you want the best translation available try the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
http://watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Translation_of_the_Holy_Scriptures#Overall_review
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:05amDefinitely DO NOT try the New World translation. It deliberately mistranslates John 1:1
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:16amSorry, The WATCHTOWER Edition of the Bible does not accept the DIETY of Christ Jesus only His DIVINITY. Jesus IS the Great “I AM”, the one of the triune Godhead of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit who has always been the One who speaks to us; until HIS DEATH and then HE sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to teach us The Christ IN us (the Born Again). Jesus IS “Our Father” God.
We are instructed in the Bible to neither ADD TO nor TAKE AWAY anything written. How can Men of God DISOBEY these instructions and CHANGE the Bible? They can NOT.
Report Post »dpselfe
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:21amThanks, but no thanks. I did a little research on Charles Taze Russel, the founder of the Jehova’s Witnesses. Turns out he was a bitter Southern Baptist who decided that he didn’t like how things were going in his church, so he figured he’d make up his own religion based thinly on the Holy Bible (which he had re-written to fit his new ideology).
I won’t fault you for falling for it. You do as your heart tells you to do. I will say this: There are a couple of “translations” of the Holy Bible that had the hand of Satan in them. I‘m sure you’ve been trained to defend this particular translation and the need for additional literature (The Watchtower)) in order to properly understand God’s Word (I don’t need it).
Here‘s a little test to see whether your version of Christianity is or isn’t straying from God’s Word:
John 1:1 If it doesn’t define God as The Father, The Son (The Word) and the Holy Spirit………warning.
If you believe that in the End Times that being a beliver and follower of Jesus Christ ISN’T enough to get to Heaven…….DANGER! (Ephesians 2: 8-9). NOTHING we do can earn our way to heaven.
John 14:6 Can’t get much clearer than that.
Only 144,000 get to be in the presence of God? Name one please…………just one.
You can’t re-write the Bible to fit your beliefs. I’m no fan of a politically correct Bible as the “Nearly Inspired Version” seems to be becomming, but the bottom line is that none of this is a surprise to God. He will make sure we ALL receive His true message. If we receive it in a translation that changes a few pronouns and as the result even one person accepts the free gift of Salvation though Jesus Christ, then is IS a good thing. Romans 8:28 sums it up. Even seemingly evil things will all eventually glorify God.
Time to do your homework on JW………it might prove to be frightening to you.
Report Post »riaf-decnalab
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:28amDPSELFE
I agree, except in addition to, the following which is a must:
Forgiveness of sin and Pentinence
“Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”136 There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit.137 Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
136 Mk 3:29; cf. Mt 12:32; Lk 12:10.
Report Post »137 Cf. John Paul II, DeV 46.
JP4JOY
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:21amThe watchtower translation comes from the Jehovah’s witnesses. ’nuff said
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:51pmWhatWasIThinking?,
You are correct, the New World Translation is a scholarly and careful translation of copies of original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts into the English language.
Before a person condemns this translation, they should cross reference their bibles with the NWT. They will find it accurate and easy to read.
As for as John 1:1 is concerned, the comments on that reflect their defense of the Trinity doctrine.
Report Post »But a careful study of John 1:1 will reveal that other translations also do not call Jesus GOD. Jesus himself identified him as “the SON of God.”
The trinity doctrine was one of the most destructive lies ever committed against true Christianity. It has caused so much confusion.
Old Truckers
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:00pmdpselfe,
If anyone wants to find out what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe and why, just go to the source.
http://www.watchtower.org
Don’t listen to those who have an agenda against them. Prejudice does not promote truth.
Report Post »jcpro
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:35pm@Dobbs
Report Post »It all depends on a point of view. The name “I am” as atributed to Jesus, to me , is a blasphemy for it’s the name G-d told Moses in Exodus. Ehyeh asher ehyeh – I am that I am. How many gods are there? Instead of protesting minor language changes, it would be better to read the “Old Testament” without preconceptions. G-d is one, alone and unique. But I am happy that the virgin in the Isaiah was finally corrected.
Marylou7
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:44amIn the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
No way am I going to mess with the Word of God. The 1984 version is what I current read along with the St. James version and is what I will continue to read.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:54amKing James version………Whew… at least I didn’t change the content.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:41amWhere is Beware of Romans? I’m sure the Jesuits must be involved with this.
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:52amgonzo,he must be a sleep,or the huffington post is down right now,i am not sure which one,but you know what he is going to say have a great day i am going fishing here in just a few.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:29amDang commonsenseguy, take me with you! Good luck today.
Report Post »CatholiConservative
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:39amWasn‘t there something in the bible about the heresy of altering God’s word? Maybe the edited it out or made it more pc by calling it his/heresy
Report Post »commonsenseguy
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:47amboy,am i glad i did not change his word. but you know,that the left believe in collective salvation,so again,i am glad i did not change his word,these people will be doomed to ever burning hell,so if they like playing with fire,then at least let me stand way from them when god strikes them down.
Report Post »ProgressiveLiberalMarine
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:53amThe Bible has been edited and changed ever since it was created. That’s never going to stop, the message is what’s important.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:22am“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” – Deut 4:2
Rev 22:19-21
19 “and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
But hey….whatever…right? If you need to make it politically correct. Do what ya gotta do. Why don’t progressive just rewrite the whole thing. Yea… that’s it. Just rewrite it so that all sin will be ok. Try to cast Christians as evil and wrong while rewarding those that practice evil and mock those that practice godliness. Don’t forget to throw in a dash of blasphemy (to speak evil of God) and make it where hatred is idolized instead of love. Yea, Yea that sounds great.
Wow…….Does this sound familiar? Sounds like the progressive platform.
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ProgressiveLiberalMarine
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:30amI don’t hate Christians, I just don’t agree with them.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:49am“The Bible has been edited and changed ever since it was created.”
No. That is not true. That is a modern myth created by irrelegious skeptics who didn’t know or refused to accept how religious people actually treat their sacred texts.
The Bible has been TRANSCRIBED and TRANSLATED for centuries, always (until the present era) with the intent to accurately convey the meaning and significance of the words. These new translations have the herneneutical principle of altering meanings not because the old are unclear but because they are politically offensive. That is not a propoer translation. That is a rewrite.
Report Post »ProgressiveLiberalMarine
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:28amIn the early days of the bible, there were books addad and taken out numerous times. I believed that when I was actually religious.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:54amUpon what historical evidence did you believe that?
The process of closing the Canon was a simple process of comparing canons, lists of scripture, within the church and graduallly deciding which books were authentically apostolic, meaning that they were written in the days of the apostles and BY an apostle or by one who clealry reflected the teachings of the apostles. Anything that failed these tests was rejected. No book that wasn‘t on a church’s list and that dated back to the 1st century was kept. No NEW books were ever allowed.
That’s history. Anything else is just Dan Brown style fiction.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:59am@ProgressiveLiberalMarine…you said “the message is what’s important”. What message, exactly, are you receiving? Is it the one about our Savior having been born of a young woman or of a virgin? And you say you disagree with Christians. so you are saying that you belong to no “body” of believers (body of Christ)? You must be an island. Or, perhaps, a dismembered member? Or, perhaps, a useless appendage? I would rather include you as a bonafied and useful member of the body that I belong to. I would like to believe that you are important. I mean it! So, maybe you can expound further on what message it is that you cling to that would be different than the Christians you say you don’t associate with.
Report Post »riaf-decnalab
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:11pmISLESFORDIAN
St. Jerome of the katolikes (universal) Church did much of the translation into what is the first/only real translation of the bible into Greek. He had to learn some languages (to do Maccabees) in order to complete. I don’t think the process was too simple. It took years as a matter of fact.
Report Post »riaf-decnalab
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:27pmPardon me – I meant Latin not Greek. PATRIOT PETE, read the Cathecism of the Church (Catholic). It explains all of the things you’re having trouble with. Don’t be ignorant. It‘s a very good reference but unfortunately one that most Catholics don’t even use very much.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:04pmI mentioned nothing about translating the scriptures. I was talking about the CLOSING of the Canon.
Report Post »ProgressiveLiberalMarine
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:56pmI’m an atheist, so I dont accept any of it.
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:35amDo you think making the Quran politically correct would cause heads to roll?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:42amGood point.
Report Post »gofigureinternational
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:37pmLiterally and figuratively.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:35am@GUERRINO…”The book is a fairy tale. Lets concentrate on the economy”
How‘s the ’economy” going to help your soul and your eternal life ? Maybe like obama’s
Report Post »“Hope and Change” is helping you now?
gofigureinternational
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:35pmExactly.
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:34amJust another case of society beeing watered down
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:43amIt’s going to get worse
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:18am@Nancy Bee
Unfortunatly it most likely will; however the Almighty can do what is impossible for man on our own.
Keep asking and have faith.
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:50pmThis simple cultural accommodation does not betray or compromise the text.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:01pm“This simple cultural accommodation does not betray or compromise the text.”
Yes it DOES. See Hebrews 2:5-8
Report Post »Pocono Countryboy
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:34amMore work by the Kenites. Stick to the King James or New King James.
Report Post »Mettag
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:54amThe new American Standard Bible is the more literally accurate people sourcing as many orginal Greek manuscripts and translating them directly to English. I highly recommend it.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:02amI LOVE the ORIGINAL King James Version. I had a friend, now deceased, who was a Muslim from Pakistan; a fine man and I wanted to introduce him to Christ. His MAIN argument to me was, “your Bible is NOT as it was written and you do not know what has been changed in translations and interpretations; my Quran is exactly as it was orginally written”. God HELP us with the “Politically Correct”, I pray in the Name of Jesus.
Report Post »robin.kevin
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:10amI agree stick to King James… Its the the best we have. Sadly its not perfect as so much had been lost before King James, however just remember each time some idiot has the great idea to translate the bible they slightly change not only the words but the truth in those words!
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:00amThe King James was written in the purest form of the Classical Greek language not from a mixture or combination of it.
We know God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33)
Report Post »I use the King James Version, translated in 1611. That is not to say the King James is a perfect translation. No translation is. The King James, however, is approximately 99 percent accurate. The small percentage of error in this translation is primarily due to the lack of understanding of the original meaning of certain Hebrew and Greek words by the translators. Nevertheless, the King James translation comes from accurate Hebrew and Greek texts (the Masorah and the Majority Text), unlike many modern translations.
I use other translations only to complement the King James. The King James Version was written almost 400 years ago. Over that span of time, the English language has changed somewhat. Some of the awkward and archaic phrases in the King James can be cleared up by checking a few modern translations. I often used the Revised Standard Version and Moffatt translation
Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:03amI use the new English Standard Version. It is less clunky than the American Standard Version, which is hyperliteral in translating the original words regardless of the way English naturally work together.
Report Post »Underground Man
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:46pmAs one who is familiar with Koine Greek, the word used in these examples, anthropos, can be translated either “man” or “person.” It takes the masculine gender, but it is not strictly used to refer to males (sort of like how the word, ninos, is not strictly masculine in the Spanish language). This rendering may be more culturally sensitive, but it is not grammatically incorrect.
The King James Version is translated from the Textus Receptus, certainly the best manuscripts in 1611, but we have better (more ancient) ones now. Certain sections are left out of newer translations, like the overzealously trinitarian Comma Johanneum, because they are almost certainly later redactions not found in the original autographs. Also, the language of the KJV reflects the political and theological milieu of early seventeenth-century Britain; it is friendly to the “divine right of kings” as well as Calvinism, which was the most popular form of Protestantism in England from Queen Elizabeth I until King Charles I. No translation is perfect, but more accurate ones do exist out there.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:56pm“This rendering may be more culturally sensitive, but it is not grammatically incorrect.”
But it IS grammatically inaccurate if it refers to plural individuals when the Greek refers to a singular.
Furthermore, when two possible interpretations are possible, choosing a translation that eliminates one is always less accurate than choosing a translation that leaves both possibilities in the text. If I see “man” I know that could be a specifically male individual or a human being of unspecified sex. If I see “people” or “human beings” or “man or woman” the first interpretation is eliminated. That’s rather a big issue when there is one specifically male individual in Scripture (Jesus) who is often seen as being the prophetic subject of many OT texts.
Report Post »foobear
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:43pmNo, don’t use the KJV. It is pretty inaccurate.
Just because it uses thees and thous and sounds “biblical” doesn’t actually make it more accurate. The NKJV is somewhat better.
Report Post »quarter horseman
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:27amSo I guess other terms should be fixed like.
One small step of man and women, one giant leap for man and womenkind.
That just doesn’t work for me.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:50amJoe Morgan was my favorite second baseperson of all time.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:56amAgreed, the terms used in old Kings English of “man” or “men” usually, based on my own studies, could also be applied in certain situations to the men, women, and families as a whole…
When Jesus said “I will make you fishes of men” the old english refers to the term “men” in the way of “families” or ‘all of humanity”
This PC garbage needs to stop.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:49amThe idea that language has changed so that using “man” to mean mankind or even a gebneric man of either sex cannot be understood by modern readers is complete rubbish. Feminists KNOW what these words mean. They just don’t like it because it confirms a philosophy and theology that they despise.
Report Post »Bigliardi
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:55amDo you live in Personhattan, New York, or Kansas….?
Report Post »blessedmidwest
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:07amYes, the reading can get awkward when including man and woman in every single instance. Messes with the beauty of the passages.
Report Post »hannahh
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:14am@ Quarter and Gonzo,
Report Post »Nice. You two have more wisdom than the entire obama regime.
chatmandu002
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:29pmNow that the bible is PC. Can’t wait to see the PC version of the Koran. LOL
Report Post »Guerrino_P
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:25amThe book is a fairy tale. Lets concentrate on the economy.
Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:31amThe economy is a fairy tale, let’s concentrate on God.
Report Post »quarter horseman
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:34amNice! Gonzo I love it!
Report Post »Guerrino_P
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:34amWho?
Report Post »NancyBee
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:36amI hope you have a change of heart
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:38amyou better hope you’re right. If you’re not, well…you’ll have an eternity to regret it.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:48amGuerrino_P
Report Post »Who?
He will introduce himself to you one day. I hope it’s while your heart is still beating.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:51amI have also kept track of the changes to the NIV various edditions over the years, and constantly see the PC garbage they change about to be acceptable for the times.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:52am@Gonzo
The administration lives in a fairy tale…can we close the book on them now as well?
The bible is real as is the Almighty; the economy being a myth…most likely.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:55am@Guerrino_P We can’t concentrate on the economy with this bunch at the helm. The Obama administration is systematically trying to destroy the economy with their incredibly naive and fantasy like socialist agenda thinking what they’re doing will actually help.
Until Obama and his cronies get the picture that government isn‘t the answer and it cannot create REAL jobs or sue banks into providing loans for people who can’t pay them back, we have no hope in the fantasy economy.
I’ll stick to God for something real, thanks.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:56amI’ll bet, that if you were to check out the people who are responsible for this crap, you’d find the people spoken of by Christ himself in John 8:44.
Report Post »Joe 77
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:59amGUERRINO, I know how you feel I felt the same way, but with a open mind I ask God, okay, if your real then show me, and over time different things began to add up to my being awaken to Him. Its hard to describe, but you “know when you know”. God will take the time for you too and all of us who seek Him.
Report Post »Only you can decide.
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:01amThe NIV is a piece of junk!
Report Post »Get yourselves a Bullinger Companion Bible. The Appendixes in the back are fantastic, and worth the money. That is, IF you are interested in the in-depth meaning of God’s Word.
Guerrino_P
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:03amGuys, take a pill and chill. I was kidding. I’m a Catholic, you know, a real christian. Number one.
Report Post »Katydidnt
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:05amIt’s interesting that you should choose the economy. Jesus said that a man cannot serve two masters, he will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and money. You evidently made your choice.
Even in a bad economy, we have it better than most people in the world, and better than most times in history. Do you have to pump your own water or go a to well? Is hunger a normal state for you? Do you have more than one or two sets of clothes? Did you have to pay huge sums for an elementary school education? Did most of the people in your family finish high school, or did they have to quit to earn money for the family?
We have been so blessed as a nation but in our arrogance we forgot that these were the blessings of obedience. When Israel forgot, they were sent hardship and exile. In their hardship and exile they remembered God. If you are having it hard, you might try remembering God and giving thanks for the blessings that you currently have.
Report Post »Ialmostforgot
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:07amYou, Guerrino_P, are God’s idea!
Report Post »Average_JoeMN
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:11amI guarantee he will one day change his mind.
Report Post »PatriotPete
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:16amA ‘Catholic’ and ‘Real Christian’ in the same sentence?! How’s Maryology and transubstantiation? And those prayers to dead saints and confessions to Priests rather than directly to Jesus? Not to forget the Church structure not being Biblical at all when the guidelines are laid out well in scripture and being that I read my Bible every single day it seems to forgotten to mention anything about a Pope. And those Rosary beads. Jesus did mention a model for prayer and indicated not pray in vain repetition. And praying to get those who’ve died out of Limbo. Or that‘s right scripture doesn’t mention a limbo or that there would be anyway possible to pray that Sovereign God‘s righteous judgement be changed once he’s made it. hunh… And Catholics seem to place a lot of emphasis on tradition over sola scripture (scripture alone). You should really take a good hard look at the Protestant Reformation, read your Bible daily, and question why you have any relationship to the Catholic Church.
jblaze
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:19amThe problem with wondering from the exact translation on some words, which may seem harmless or more “Politically Correct”, is that it opens the door to more liberal translations where just as the example note, changing “virgin to young women”! You can be a “virgin or a fornicator” and still be a “young women”. Definitely a cold and calculated move to distort scripture!
There is no need to warm up the words of men. man, them, they because the Bible already tells us that God is no respecter of persons!
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
GatorPwn
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:23am@KATYDIDNT I don‘t think there’s anything Christian about leaving the next generation neck-deep in debt.
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:37amGod gives us free choice so we are our choices. People have re-wrote history in our text books so now God’s word is under attack. God’s word is the truth and the truth has no agenda. Pray America!
Report Post »JimOhio
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:39amI will pray for you Guerrino_P. I will also request you spend some time reading and researching the Bible. Perhaps you already have and are a scholar on the subject. In that case I’ll just pray.
Report Post »CHRISTIANNATION
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:58am@GONZO Amen brother, Amen!
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:01amTouché, Gonzo.
God is not politically correct, he is simply correct.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:07amwill admit that haven’t read or even studied the changes but one thing comes to mind of past changes that most accept is the rich man going to heaven. real verse is it is as difficult as a camel hair through eye of needle, bust most believe it is the whole camel. Another incorrect belief is that mary magdilin is the same mary who was prostitute. if the word of Jesus stays the same but new translation changes a few verbs, i am fine with it.
Report Post »StevenL1955
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:16amHeres my reply to you, doesn’t read like fiction to me, since its happining right as it says it would
Daniel 7, 8, 9
II Thessalonians 2
Revelation 13, 17, 18
Matthew 24
We’re going home soon kids :-)
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:31amRow, row, row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
Life is but a dream.
Report Post »604karen
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:39amWe could only wish you were a fairy tale Guerrino.
Report Post »superfide
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:40amYou‘ll never find what you’re not looking for.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:45amNIV before 1984 is a decent translation. I am sold on KJV though I am not one of those “KJV is the ONLY Bible” people…But I use the NIV for Bible study with the kids and I also use it frequently when comparing translations or for clarity.
You need to be careful with ANY translation, keeping in mind that they all are translations. But it is not a big deal as long as the user is Spirit led and has a modicum of common sense…
Report Post »dallastexan
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:57amI’ve never really been a big religious person up until the last couple years. Whether you believe in God or not. What the bible says in regards to life, Marriage and happiness is true and it works……If you deny those simple life truths…You are simply denying the truth. Therefore you’ll always be miserable…..
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:08amStuck in CA:
The NIV is a piece of junk!
Get yourselves a Bullinger Companion Bible. The Appendixes in the back are fantastic, and worth the money. That is, IF you are interested in the in-depth meaning of God’s Word.
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It looks like it is a decent Bible, but readers should be warned about some theological issues. Bullinger was a “hyperdispensationalist.” In this country this is known as the Grace movement. It is based in protestantism but may cross a few lines for some. Some of the differences are slight, such as the belief that the church started not at Pentecost but in the time period after the end of Acts revealed in the prison epistles. They tend to place the teachings of Paul above the other disciples. Most reject water baptism.
Outside of the Grace movement, Bullinger teaches that Jesus was crucified with four men instead of two. He also holds to annihilationism and believes the soul is mortal.
These may not be theological “problems” for most but people should be aware that if this is a study Bible then the footnotes may be sympathetic to these points. Of course that should not turn someone off to what may be a great Bible, I use a Scofield as a backup Bible and while revised in ‘67 it still supports the Gap Theory. No biggie though and it is an awesome Bible.
Report Post »psst
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:09amGonzo
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:31am
The economy is a fairy tale, let’s concentrate on God.
I say what Quarter Horseman said.
Report Post »Amica
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:29amGuerrino: So, can we hope to only see your condescending comments on economically related stories?
Report Post »Texas49
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:32amSEASONOFREASON – That is what “free will” is all about. God lets you decide and it sounds like you have cashed in your “No thank you, God.” coupon. Hope you are happy with your choice.
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:36amPatriotPete… You are a typical PROTESTant who thinks they know so much about the Church!!!
The Bible also never mentions solo scrirptura as the final authority probably because when Jesus was walking around the only Scripture was the OT then the it took His Church (The Catholic Church) to compile the Canon. But you are probably like most PROTESTants who believe it fell from the sky written in all the languages of the world. The Bible also never mentions the Holy Trinity this was a Catholic Doctrine… In regards to tradition what do you think is meant…
1 Corth 11-2 I praise you because you remember me & in everything & hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them to you.
2 Thess 2-15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by ORAL statement or by letter of ours.
2 Thess 3-6 We instruct you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way & not according to the traditions they received from us.
John 21-25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.
2 Tim 1-13 Take as your norm the sound words you have heard from me, in the faith & love that are in Jesus Christ.
Tim 2-2 And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.
2Pet 1-20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation
2 Pet 3-15,16 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant & unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.
1 Pet 1-25 …this is the word that has been preached to you (not written)
Romans 10-16-17 But not everyone has heeded the good news; for Isaiah says “Lord, who has believed what was heard from us?” Thus faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ.
1 Corin 15-1,2 Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I Preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand. Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I Preached to you, unless you believed in vain
In regards to Saints or as you say “dead people” you should try re-reading Revalations its pretty clear about the Saints of God recieving the prayers of the faithful and presenting them in front of His Throne.
Well look forward to your response…
Report Post »jackrorabbit
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:36amGiven my preference, I will take a good interlinear Bible with Strong’s concordance, since the Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek, not English. The best that we can do, still misses on a lot of the meaning that the rich languages of Hebrew and Greek(which paint word pictures and not just a word). For example there are 4 different meanings of love and each one is translated as just love, so we don’t know unless we dig for it as to what that meaning is.
Report Post »conservativeme
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 10:36amOne day, you’ll regret that view . . .
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:01amDLG,
You should rise above the Catholic bashing. You too are wrong on many accounts, you should not hate PROTESTants.
Sola Scriptura: Why would I believe anything from MAN? If it is not in the Bible then why should i believe it? The Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, man is not. The “Pope” is not the representative of God, he is just a man. This should be obvious through all the centuries of corruption the Catholic church endured.
You are wrong that the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible. It is not mentioned by that name, but the doctrine is crystal clear throughout. How about purgatory? I have seen people try to support it with a few inconclusive verses taken out of context, but it is a doctrine fail. Infant baptism? Yeah, acts 16:33…It says nothing about infants…But then again it does not clearly say infants were not involved. Same with Cornelius later…Worshiping Mary?
My point is not to bash your beliefs. As long as you believe in Christ, have a relationship with Him, and know He died for your sin then great! If you believe you also need confession, communion, last rights…Whatever…to get to heaven…I don’t know. I struggle with this because my parents are Catholic. My dad is not saved, my mom I think is…But there is no discussing it with them. I respect that.
BTW, I see this mistake so much in here…It is NOT “Revelations!“ It is ”Revelation.” More properly, it is the Revelation of God through Jesus Christ to John.
Just because some ignorant people want to bash your faith, do not fall into the same trap my brother. I have differences with your doctrine, you have differences with mine. So what? Hopefully we are both Spirit led and know our Savior. That is all that matters.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:06am@Katydidnt,
Although I agree with most of your point (post), the part about paying huge sums of money for elementary school is misleading (as compared to other times and places). In the US many of us do pay huge sums of money for our edumacation in the form of property taxes. And those monies go for a substandard edumacation. In fact, elementary school is where much of our history is being rewritten as we speak, and emphasis on improper areas of edumacation are being taught. I’m sure you agree with this. I hope?
Report Post »azulag
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:08amAmen GONZO!!!
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:54am@Gonzo-I agree,Seek ye first the Kingdom of God
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:03pm@GONZO
Well said and VERY TRUE!
Report Post »notofdasleeple
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:25pmHow about we let Obomba rewrite it. It will then say “BHO(2011) Here I am! I’ll kick in the door(supported by my executive order) Uhh, If anyone hears my uhh voice(cuz I know no one is uhh listening) , I will come in and uhh eat all your food (except the stuff Michelle says you can eat cuz that food uhhh sux) and then uhh I’ll take all your money and redistribute it to the uhh union bosses, and then destroy your jobs and uhh tax you some more(so I can go on another vacation with my mother-in-law). I will uhh also exchange all your good uhh light bulbs with these crappy uhh government approved ones that you will have to power by uhh riding a bicycle,uhhh CHANGE yeah! uhh…………….better hope your God uhhh shows up soon! Then he will high five Soros (cuz he isn’t kool enough to knuckle bump)
Report Post »RJO
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:29pmIn response to: Guerrino_P
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 8:03am
Guys, take a pill and chill. I was kidding. I’m a Catholic, you know, a real christian. Number one.
OK…All of you that took this clown’s remark – hook, line and sinker, please pay close attention…especially those who saw an opportunity to “Catholic Bash”, which is so anti-Christian. The remarks were staed (just a guess, but a very good guess) to CAUSE the response that you see. It’s the old tactic…as old as Satan….DIVIDE AND CONQUER! Divide Christians….weaken the opposition to evil. Old trick…old tactic. And after reading some of the vile comments about the Catholic Church and Catholics in general…..IT WORKED. Remember watch the hand that you don’t see in the shell game that we have experienced as a nation over 2-plus years. I‘m gong to paste something that I’ve pasted before…please take the time to read it. Please…..do not hammer your “brother and sisters” in Christ. There are plenty of people who enjoy watching “Christians” do their dirty work for them….
Excerpts of an article written by non-Catholic Sam Miller – a prominent Cleveland Jewish businessman:
“Why would newspapers/electronic media carry on a vendetta on one of the most important institutions that we have today in the United States, namely the Catholic Church?
Do you know – the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to that Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. The graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%.
The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students..
The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals, which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people – not just Catholics – in the United States today.
But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.
Let me give you some figures that Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United Methodist Church , 41.8% of clergy women reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17% of laywomen have been sexually harassed.
Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a Catholic Problem. A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood and find it even better than they had expected, and that most, if given the choice, would choose to be priests again in face of all this obnoxious PR the church has been receiving.
The Catholic Church is bleeding from self-inflicted wounds. The agony that Catholics have felt and suffered is not necessarily the fault of the Church. You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded out by now.
Walk with your shoulders high and you head higher. Be a proud member of the most important non-governmental agency in the United States.
Then remember what Jeremiah said: ‘Stand by the roads, and look and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is and walk in it, and find rest for your souls’. Be proud to speak up for your faith with pride and reverence and learn what your Church does for all other religions.
Report Post »gofigureinternational
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:38pmI wasn’t aware there was a “Bad” Bible. I am no theologian, but given the translations and frequent language barriers to get the exact word for a given meaning of a word in a different language that may not exist and what, roughly 1600 years since the assembly of the books in Nicea; it is amazing that any of the different copies even remotely resemble each other. I would say virtually any version read and studied is better than nothing read or studied.
Report Post »RJO
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:44pmOooops….sorry about some of my typos in my first response – the old problem of the fingers not moving as fast as the mind. Hope it makes sense in what I’m trying to relay. We DESPERATELY need to band together (meaning Christians) to face a common enemy. The spiritual warfare that’s taking place…in the midst of world and national turmoil is an opportunity…use it.
As a final point….division not only exists between Catholics and Protestants….it exists hundreds of times over within the movement of “protest.” We MUST band together. Also….how do you know that the cause of this reaction is “Catholic?” He states that he is. Gosh! What if he’s lying…just to generate what has been generated. For all we know…he may be a die-hard Atheist, and probably is. WATCH THE OTHER HAND!! I’m not Catholic, but I thank God for the millions of Catholics who are shining examples of Christ-like lives and attitude. Focus on commonality in these troubled times…the opposition wants us to focus on the opposite – TO DIVIDE!
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:46pmNIV = Newly Invented Version
Report Post »beckisnutsisnuts
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 12:57pmPATIOTPETE:
Uh oh, you‘ll be hearing from CAITLYN’S DAD soon!
Report Post »dasig2
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:32pmWell said.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:34pmGonzo.. NO the economy is a NIGHTMARE.. let concentrate on GOD..
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:37pmMaybe they should translate the Koran in to a Politically Correct Version. Boy would that ruffle some feathers…
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 1:50pm@Gonzo
Report Post »You are definitely on with that! As far as them changing the Bible, no matter what they do they cannot change the Word of God, and when they change the words of the Bible they bring down curses of God down on themselves. Therefore, all they do is for naught except to have to answer to God on Judgement Day which will NOT be in their favor according to His Word.
godlovinmom
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:02pmmy opinion…NIV has been politically correct for quite some time…for those picking on religions…man made…enough said …I suggest the King James Bible and a concordance…oh yeah…pray!
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:22pmYou WILL find out if it’s a fairy tale or not. We ARE living in the final days of GRACE, BEFORE JESUS comes again to RID the world of Satan and his cronies. Hope you get your act together soon.
On another note:
China, Russia, India, Brazil and many other countries have been calling for an international one world currency for quite some time. Throughout the world, it has been the United States dollar that served as the base currency in world trade. In fact, it has been the United States that has stood in the breech preventing a world government from forming since after World War II. But since the past Bush Administration through the current Administration, sovereignty in the United States is on the decline from a policy point of view, and the one world order is coming into focus at a faster rate than ever before in history. The United States is not only part of this juggernaut, this Administration is leading it.
Wednesday, Reuters reported Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner said he was open to what amounts to a global currency through the International Monetary Fund as suggested by China. Reuters quoted Geitner as saying, “as I understand it, it‘s a proposal designed to increase the use of the IMF’s Special Drawing Rights. I am actually quite open to that suggestion.” In the past, Geitner has rocked financial markets by hinting that he favors a worldwide currency replacing the dollar. In a congressional hearing on Tuesday, Minnesota Republican Michelle Bachmann asked Geitner if he categorically renounced the US moving toward a world currency as suggested by China. Geitner replied, “I would, yes.”
To categorically renounce moving toward a currency plan by China, then a day later say that you are open to it, is the same as lying to Congress. Notwithstanding is the deeper issue–that this administration is continuing at an accelerated pace the previous Administration’s dash to a one world order. Another example is deference to the United Nations on foreign policy. Instead of providing moral and decisive leadership on Libya, the White House asked the UN to direct foreign policy. The White House has been particularly mum on the disaster in Japan, allowing international relief agencies to lead. The “stepping back” of American leadership in world situations is tantamount to transferring its power to the UN.
Meantime, there is little being done to stem the hemorrhage in the US economy, other than the White House, through Geitner, asking to raise more debt, further indemnifying the American taxpayer to China and other holders of US debt. And now, the cost of living, according to the Labor Department, is highest in American history. Revelation prophesies the rise of a one world government under the antichrist. Revelation 13:16, 17 says, “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or on their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” It starts with a one world currency.
Have a Blessed and Powerful Day!
Report Post »Bill Wilson
Word of Life Ministry
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GONESURFING
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:29pmGONZO, right on. Enough with this PC garbage, I’ll stick with my King James version.
Report Post »riaf-decnalab
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 2:34pmTROLLTRAINER
What is your take on St. Longinus (centurion that speared Jesus). Also, what do you know about the Miracle of Lanciano (still on full display by the way)?
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:07pmI used to read the NIV but I noticed these things creeping in. Not only are they becoming PC, but in some instances entire verses are missing! Personally I prefer NKJV.
Report Post »USAMama
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:11pmGuerrino, if that was in fact a joke, it was a poor one.
Report Post »nptden
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:12pmThis is just an example of what ‘Communists’ do…they like to call it ‘Revisionism’ or ‘Cultural Revolution’. Progressive Teachers have been doing it for years in our schools. How do you think they changed Black History to fit their aims?…just check out Glenn Beck‘s ’Black Patriots of the Revolution’.
Report Post »HadassaH414
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 3:56pmThink: What if the Bible is not a fairy tale? It claims to be the Truth. Who has the authority to say it’s not the Truth?
Report Post »gofigureinternational
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 4:10pmRJO-Well said. Similar to what the media has done with Americans. We need to focus on our similarities, not our differences. Our country is being destroyed by Progressives on both sides of the political isle and the media keeps America bickering between who is right or left. Meanwhile our enemies are growing in numbers and strength. There are a huge number of borderline treasonous individuals in Washington and few people seem to have the foresight to see it or call it as it is. Our Republic is teetering and will be lucky to make it to 2012. Geitner selling out the dollar then denying it to Congress-essentially selling out our country to China, Iran working on Nukes, NORKS perfecting the EMP (whether true or not), Radical Islam, and the multitude of other challenges that face this nation and the knuckle draggers in Washington are arguing over how to cut 6-60 billion from a yearly deficit that is a trillion plus. Who is standing up to say lets BALANCE the budget TODAY! Not 3 weeks from now, 6 months from now, or next year. We are watching the foundation of this country being destroyed by the elitists’ and are complacently sitting by and watching. Forget the next 2-3 generations being indebted to the government, how will the U.N. or China running the U.S. deal with dissentions of opinion? American Christians need to wake up and unite, be that Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, Mormons, etc. And yes those who are, Atheist, Buddhists, Hindu, or would rather catch a 6 pack at the local pub and not contemplate any serious issue…America is in need of active participation and recognizing we are stronger standing together than divided!
Report Post »Augie Dog
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 4:41pmWhat you are ignorant of is that all things come from him! That means every thing you now currently own,will own or previously owned and will own temporarily. Oh yea he created the economy I believe the info you seek is in the Bible if you took time to research rather than criticize…just sayin!!
Report Post »Red1492
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 5:12pmWHO CARES??? This is a story for the SBC. I hate to see the Blaze lose it’s credibility as a legitimate news site for fiscal conservatives…or is it too late already?
Report Post »DLG123
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 5:16pmTrollTrainer…
Report Post »You are correct that I should not fall into the anger trap, I just find the ant-Catholic sentiment on this site by some of the posters unbelievable… I find you to be a considerate person that posts thoughtful responses but we just disagree on doctrinal issues…
In regards to the corruption… There is no doubt that the Church has had its problems over the past 2 milliniums… But we are a Church that is made up of humans and therefore cannot be Perfect. But if you look at all the good tthe Church has done over the past almost 2000 years there is no comparison… The hospitals, schools, the work for the poor, the suffering, the outcasts, the miraculous works that Christ has done through his Saints ect, ect, ect… When the Church is talked about all you hear is the scandals of a few… When you have 1.8 Billion members world wide then there is probably going to be some bad apples… Even Judas was chosen and was a member of the 12. The people who make up the Church have made some mistakes in the past and probably will in the future. But you must ask how has the Church survived and flourished for almost 2000 years?… The promise of Christ that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church and the gates of hell will NOT prevail against her.
I don’t hate protestants seeing as how my parents, and alot of my friends are protestant (mostly Baptist) as well my wife and I at one point in our life… My problem is… who exactly is being led by the Holy Spirit is it the preacher at First Baptist or the preacher at Faith Baptist for example (These were two that my wife and I attended) their teachings were contradictory to each other… So that leads me to ask who is the authoratative teacher here? I regards to the Catholic Church there is the Magisterium (Teaching Authority) that guides the Bishops and Priests… My Preist at Sacred Heart cannot just willie nillie teach anything he wants… 2Pet 1:20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation…
Also I don’t think that the Trinitarian Doctine would be described as “Crystal Clear” in my humble opinion.
And The Eucharist (Communion) and Confession are based in Scripture
TrollTrainer… You are a good person (to keep with this PC article) and i thank you for your sincere discussion and thoughtful discourse
DLG
caitlynsdad
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 6:23pmBoy, all it took was one person to proclaim (dubiously), “I am a Catholic” for the long string of anti-Catholic cliches to come out and the arguments between Catholics and non-Catholics to begin on everything from sola scriptura to transubstantiation to confession–none of it, of course, having anything to do with the subject matter of the post. Why, BeckIsNutsIsNuts was even able to prophesy that I would be here to comment! Figuring out which stories on this blog are going to be bells for Pavlov’s anti-Catholics is no more complicated than figuring out which Glenn Beck clips are going to make Media Matters.
Report Post »caitlynsdad
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 6:38pmP.S., speaking of the subject matter of the post, my personal view is that PC in any Bible translation is stupid. It was stupid when the U.S. Catholic bishops toyed around with the New American Bible, and the toying around with the NIV is just as stupid–for the same reason. Personally, I read the King James Bible as it was originally published; that is to say, I read it with the Deuterocanonical books included and in the original spelling. But beyond saying that these newfangled translations are stupid, I don‘t worry about it too much because no one’s forcing me to read them.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 6:46pmRevelation
22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Report Post »caitlynsdad
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:02pm@Ozz
Report Post »I’m a little perplexed. I grant you that the PC character of the new NIV is insidious because it does violence to the English language. (I mean, “fishers of men” is generic and should be understood to include both sexes, as a simple point of grammar. “I will send you out to fish for people” is just plain ugly.) Nevertheless, I fail to see what any of that has to do with adding or subtracting from the Bible, when what is at issue is simply a question of how a particular passage is translated. The NIV (at least in this passage) doesn‘t change the meaning of Jesus’s words, and it doesn’t add to them or subtract from them. All it does is translate Jesus’s words with a tin ear. Moreover, the passage you cite has to do only with adding or subtracting specifically from the book of Revelation, and the passage quoted in this post is from Mark.
VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:11pmGONZO
This is how the Book has been handed down to us from generations past. First in oral stories because there was no literacy all those thousands of years ago, and then written by monks – longhand, well before Gutenberg invented the printing press. So you get 100 monks in 100 monasteries, spread across many countries, each translating it into their own language and from all of these then translated again into English many times by different translators who each put their own interpretation to the original stories.
In the end you have a book of ‘folk lore’! This will be nothing more than one more translation!
Report Post »VerySeniorCitizen
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 7:23pmGON-SURF-ING
Do you NOT understand that the King James Version is just one of a hundred different versions? You say the King James Version is right. Who was there to confirm that though? There was no literacy in those days. Oh, yes, I forgot, God wrote the Commandments on stone tablets. But who could read them??
Monks of all nations – speaking multitudes of languages wrote these books – longhand – in a zillion monasteries in dozens of languages and then they were re-translated by many – with their own interpretation. NO VERSION can be verified as truth – and no one has returned to tell us how great it is to be sitting up there on a wet cloud – playing a harp!
: – )
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 9:31pmVERYSENIORCITIZEN, The Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew and the New Testament was written mostly in Greek and some Arameic languages of the time, but since I don’t understand those languages too well I like the Old English version, the King James Bible. It is not perfect, but it is much better than the increasingly distorted translations being talked about here.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 18, 2011 at 11:08pm“So you get 100 monks in 100 monasteries, spread across many countries, each translating it into their own language and from all of these then translated again into English many times by different translators who each put their own interpretation to the original stories.”
Well, Senior, to say you don’t know what the heck you are talking about here would be a bit of an insult to Ignorance.
Report Post »notsodumblond
Posted on March 19, 2011 at 7:17amI pity anyone that has no idea what they are talking about when they dismiss the Bible that has been around for 2 thousand years. There is a reason it still exist.,It is the only book that actually documents the history of the world. Name another book that has been around for thousands of years.
Report Post »Jon Weideman
Posted on March 19, 2011 at 6:02pmI agree. Let’s focus on God.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on March 20, 2011 at 6:21pmHave you ever read the Bible?
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