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New Top Marine: Keep ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

SAN DIEGO (AP) — The new commandant of the U.S. Marines Corps said Saturday that now is the wrong time to overturn the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy prohibiting gays from openly serving in the military, as U.S. troops remain in the thick of war in Afghanistan.

New Top Marine: Keep ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

Gen. James F. Amos

“There’s risk involved; I’m trying to determine how to measure that risk,” Gen. James Amos said. “This is not a social thing. This is combat effectiveness. That’s what the country pays its Marines to do.”

Last month, the Pentagon was forced to lift its ban on openly serving gays for eight days after a federal judge in California ordered the military to do so. The Justice Department has appealed, and a federal appeals court granted a temporary stay of the injunction.

Amos said the policy’s repeal may have unique consequences for the Marines, which is exempt from a Defense Department rule for troops to have private living quarters except at basic training or officer candidate schools. The Marines puts two people in each room to promote a sense of unity.

“There is nothing more intimate than young men and young women — and when you talk of infantry, we’re talking our young men — laying out, sleeping alongside of one another and sharing death, fear and loss of brothers,” he said. “I don’t know what the effect of that will be on cohesion. I mean, that‘s what we’re looking at. It’s unit cohesion, it’s combat effectiveness.”

Amos, who began his assignment last month, said he was reviewing preliminary findings of an internal Pentagon survey of the policy that was sent out to about 400,000 troops and another 150,000 family members. He will make recommendations to Defense Secretary Robert Gates later this month.

Amos declined to comment on the survey results, though portions have been leaked to reporters. Most troops and their families think the policy could be done away with, according to officials familiar with its findings who spoke on condition of anonymity because the results had not been released.

Amos said his top priority was success in Afghanistan — no matter how many people or how much equipment is required — and that he didn’t expect any pullback in Marine forces over the next year.

President Barack Obama wants to start to reduce the number of U.S. troops in July, if conditions on the ground allow.

Amos said the U.S. effort is showing progress, pointing to improved security in the Nawa district, but that more work lies ahead in allowing the Afghan army and police to gain control of the country.

“The Marine Corps will stay the way it is (in Afghanistan) right now for probably at least the next year,” he said.

He said he expects the Marines to shrink from its current size of 202,000 after leaving Afghanistan, but that “we need (the current numbers) now.”

New Top Marine: Keep ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’Amos, 63, spoke with reporters in a wide-ranging interview during a Southern California visit to mark the Marines’ 235th birthday. He addressed other subjects:

- A living Marine who served in Afghanistan has been recommended for a Medal of Honor. The Marine Corps has had only one Medal of Honor recipient, stirring controversy due to its heavy fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Amos’ predecessor, Gen. James Conway, made the recommendation last month to the secretary of the Navy, and it must eventually be approved by Obama. Amos said a report on the Marine’s actions brought tears to his eyes.

- The fate of the amphibious Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle should be known in January or February. Gates, who is scrutinizing military spending in a search for roughly $10 billion in annual savings, has expressed doubts about a $13.2 billion plan for the Marines to buy large number of vehicles starting in 2012.

- The number of suicides in the Marines this year is “markedly below” the same period last year. In 2009, the Marines had 52 suicides, the highest rate of any branch.

“I don‘t want anyone to walk out of here and say we’ve turned the corner and the Marine Corps has figured it out,” he said. “That is not the case. This is hard.”

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  • SENIORCHIEF
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:08pm

    Safeguard,
    I have also lived in a stateroom with one other bunkmate. I had no idea if he was gay or not. However, once again, I do have a problem sleeping and living in the same berthing space with a gay. Again I will ask, when I was berthed in that stateroom, if an openly gay male was bunked with me and if a gay man has the same sexual desires for a man as I do for a woman, why not let me bunk with a woman?

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    • iWonderWhy
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:13pm

      @SENIORCHIEF

      So you’re saying that if you were in the same room sleeping with a woman, in a different bed, you wouldn’t be able to control yourself and you would rape her.

      Or, am I reading that wrong?

      Here I thought the military taught you self control and discipline, perhaps you should think of what you’re saying before you say it. Because it’s coming across like you have no self control.

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    • BRAVEHEART
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:36pm

      Homosexuals and Sodomites need to stay out of the military. The military is not a place for the mentally ill to be employed. Deviant sexual behavior is a serious mental disorder and should be treated accordingly.

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    • SENIORCHIEF
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 4:13pm

      IWONDERWHY,
      First, thank you for being in the toughest job in the world. I would not be able to hang with you (tho, I can outdrink you :+) Your being booted is complete BS commited by your commanders. If there is no evidence, and from what you say there is none, then you should not have gone to mast and been booted.
      I see where you are coming from with the live fire excersizes. Anyone who does try this to anyone, whatever their sexual orientation, is a complete sack of crap and should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. I was not a Jarine I was just a little old Squid. I know that it may happen but it does and life is not fair. I am just tired of a minority group, which homosexuals are, telling the majority that they have to cave into that minorities beliefs without taking into account the majorities beliefs.

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:20pm

      @JDS7171 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEVILDOG!!! Now. You and I both know, they wouldn’t have to make new barracks, they could definately designate specific rooms in the barracks and it wouldn’t be very hard to do. Ever lived in French Creek in Camp LaJeune?
      Now, replying to

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:31pm

      IWONDERWHY…. Happy birthday, MARINE, and Semper Fi. I want you to remember this on OUR birthday. If you know, in your heart, that you served as an Honorable, Faithful and Loving Marine, this is STILL your birthday, and we all still love you as our Brother, without question. I don‘t give a rat’s ass what your command dictated to you, You will ALWAYS be my brother, and I will ALWAYS love you as such!.
      HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY BROTHER!
      YOU WILL ALWAYS BE MY BROTHER!!
      God love you for you service to this great Country and this great Constitution!

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    • ChiefGeorge
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 11:26pm

      Thanks SC,

      My thoughts exactly and go way back to 1993 (discussions on Diego Garcia) about this very issue when Clinton was pulling the whole let em serve openly and Colin Powell saying hell no and I’ll resign. Where are the people with balls anymore….oh yea they ask them to leave instead.

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  • iWonderWhy
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:00pm

    As much as people want to throw out that gays will rape you, or “play with themselves” in the showers, etc. the fact remains that they have been serving honorably since before America was America. They’ve served in every single war, in every single battle, and continue to do so without hesitation or complaint.

    Do not confuse the homosexuals you see on television with the ones serving our country. Those who you see in parades wearing high heels or leather chaps would never give their lives for their country. The gays who want to serve probably wouldn‘t tell you they’re gay anyhow! What they want is to be able to write a letter home to their partner and not have to worry about changing the gender around, or being able to call them on the phone and telling them how much they miss them and wanted to hear their voice (possibly for the last time). They want to live without fear of loosing the chance of serving their country simply for being honnest. They want to go to battle knowing that if something happens to them, someone will be there to support their partner. They are not Jack or Will from Will & Grace, they’re patriots!

    As a matter of fact if it wasn’t for a homosexual we would never even have won the Revolutionary war. As many of you read through history and it’s heroes I want you to keep one of those people in mind. Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand von Steuben also referred to as the Baron von Steuben he served as Inspector General and Major General of the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War. He is credited with teaching the Continental Army the essentials of military drill and discipline. In 1776, Steuben’s career at Hohenzollern-Hechigen ended in scandal: he was alleged to be homosexual and he came to Valley Forge at the request of General Washington himself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Friedrich_von_Steuben

    So, to all of the people who are going on about how “the gays” should stick to their bars in San Francisco or Manhattan just remember that a great many brave Americans died for our country and some of them were homosexuals.

    No matter what your reasons are for not ending DADT you should at the least ask yourself this quiestion: Why do you deny someone who wants to serve this great nation because they‘re gay but you’ll accept a criminal just because they want to stay out of jail?

    P.S. — I’m a Former Marine, I’m gay, and I got kicked out under DADT even though I never told and they never asked. They can kick you out based on an assumption that someone “intends to be gay” such was my case due to simple rummors which had no credible basis.

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    • SafeguardOurLiberty
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:09pm

      You, sir are an honorable man! Thank you for serving your country to the best of your abitlity.

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    • SENIORCHIEF
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:12pm

      Then why were you kicked out? You cannot be kicked out just because of “rumors”. If you were then you were discharged improperly and you should have fought to stay in. If you did, then that is a complete travesty of justice on the Marine Corps.

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    • iWonderWhy
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:28pm

      The short, short version is:

      I was roommates with a Marine who went UA with another Marine. My roommate returned after a week or so, the 2nd Marine did not until almost a month later. His mother turned him in, and for some odd reason he got it in his head that I was the one who turned him in. (like I knew he was at Foot Locker in TX at 4PM when I was in CA. Kreskin I am not!) He starts telling people that I hit on him, and an investigation ensues. They find nothing, and ask him for something specific. He tells the investigating officer that I own a bodybuilding magazine and use it for masterbatory purposes. (I did own one, but I was reading up on creatine and the pros and cons of it) The investigating officer asked my new roommate if I owned a bodybuilding magazine, he said “yes” and that was enough for him to conclude that I “intended to be gay”.

      Trust me I wanted to fight to stay in, but the command would not allow me to be transfered to another base if I was found innocent. They stated, “if you‘re found innocent there’s no reason for you to have fear of being on this base!”

      I knew too well what may happen in a live fire exercise out in the middle of the desert once everyone thinks you’ve been investigated for something. And if I didn‘t get off of that base and had a fresh start at another one I’d have been made a target.

      To date almost 20,000 people have been kicked out under DADT, don‘t you think that’s a little bit too high of a number for a group of people who go in knowing they aren’t going to tell anyone? There are still “witch hunts” going on, it’s just more politically correct now.

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  • SafeguardOurLiberty
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:48pm

    I am sure that all the gay people really want to be beat up, bullied, made fun of, called names, not given full rights,, are basically shunned in this country, denied employment, rejected by their religion, and sometimes killed because they choose to be this way. Grow up people. You don’t choose a behavior that is going to put this kind of stress in your life because you want it. Are you kidding me? I have a family member that is gay. I see first hand what they go through. He knew since he was little that he was different. He suppressed it until he couldn’t no longer.
    As far as the military, we are the only country besides the Middle East that do not permit gays in the armed forces. Now, you are telling me that our soldiers are scared of gays? Please. I would hope not. Now, if there are military personnel that have done some of the things that some are saying, then they are just as bad as the soldiers that rape or harrass the women in the military. But I guess that is acceptable because they are women? There are idiots and predators out there and they can be gay or straight. So, that is no excuse. We need to grow up in this country and start acting like we truely believe in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Accept all people. I am sure our soldiers will be able to handle it. If they can’t, then they are not warriors, they are cowards in my book.

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    • SENIORCHIEF
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:58pm

      Have you ever served one day in any of the Armed Forces? Gimme a break. These guys are not “afraid” of gays. However, if you have never served then you have no clue what you are talking about. I have lived on a ship in a berthing with 75 other guys. Were some of the gay? Odds are yes. Were they openly gay. Nope because if they were then they would have been booted. Believe it or not a vast majority of Sailors I know as well as all the Marines I know do not want to have an openly gay living next to them. This is one more thing that they will have to handle and believe me, they have enough to handle.
      If you are for letting gays to serve openly and live in the same berthing as well as showering next to other guys (to use this as an example), what do you think of me, being a heterosexual man, living and showering in the berthing of women?

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    • BRAVEHEART
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:30pm

      The constitution doesn’t justify perverse deviant behavior in the military of out of the military. Deviant homosexual behavior can not be justified by decent civil or political documents. Your refusal to acknowledge this sick mental behavior can not justify or excuse the reality of what is being passed off as un-controllable and incurable deviant behavior.

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  • SENIORCHIEF
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:44pm

    Another thing, the vast majority of the politicans in Washington have never served one day in the military. They have no clue whatsoever as to how the vast majority of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, or Airmen feel about serving alongside a homosexual. Sure, the ones who want to join or stay in are true patriotic Americans giving up their lives for American freedoms. However, Congress cannot just focus on one side of the issue. They must also look at how it will affect all military servicemen. This is once again an example in this country of the majority caving into the minority.

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  • SENIORCHIEF
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:32pm

    Well, if they do away with it and allow gays to serve openly and gays are living in the same quarters as their own sex, well, then a heterosexual must be allowed to live and shower in the berthing of the opposite sex.
    What people have no clue about is that you must meet certain requirements in order to join/stay in the military. You cannot join or reup if you are overweight, cannot meet the minimum physical requirements, or if you are unable to perform your duties because of a medical condition. If you are to fat, you cannot join or reup. Period.

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  • NHABE64
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:20pm

    If politicians who have done a day in the military approve repealing the Don‘t Ask Don’t Tell policy, I believe the impact on recruting for normal people will be devasated. If they have any common sense at all they better listen to the Commandent or else. God help us if we don’t keep it as is.

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  • 1776
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:59pm

    Leave DADT in place, we are at war. Most gay people I know have zero interest in signing up, it would be different if enormous numbers of gay people were lining up to serve, but they aren’t. This is just political B.S. w/the left loons, leave well enough alone.

    I work w/a military organization and when we do groups the gays want their own special meeting because they feel so misunderstood and have separate needs. If it was about being “equal” they would want to participate w/all the other Vets as a group and be treated the same as all the others attending. This is a problem w/all minorities, they want to be treated equal and the same, but yet they are the first to go off and form their own entity so they can be w/others of the same kind as opposed to being diverse and everyone working together. Never fails.

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  • jblazak
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:43pm

    There is no other way to say this but straight up! Sodomites have to understand that no matter how much you want this dynamic to change in your favor, a whole Man cannot go against his natural self and have anything but distain and disgust for the twisted minds of Sodomites! The whole thing is so simple when you look at it from truth! Sodomites should not now or ever be in the Military in any capacity! It is that plain and simple!

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    • BRAVEHEART
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:08pm

      Sodomy is a disease and the U.S. military doesn’t need to be infected with sodomy. Society in general doesn’t need to be infected with sodomy either.

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    • Tal-El
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:55pm

      I would say that this is obviously true and it is a sad testament to the freedom of speech in this country that this simple truth cannot be stated by anyone wishing to keep his or her job…

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  • dontbotherme
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:36pm

    Smoovious – learn our history. Your are dead wrong in your historical references. It is also obvious that YOU DO NOT respect the military, and that you enjoy arguing simply to argue. You are snide & arrogant in you comments. Our military are the only ones who should decide this. Go elsewhere. You are annoying.

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  • Tal-El
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:34pm

    @smoovoius: It’s true that the “psychologically unfit” is a kind of a ruse, but the basic concept is that in combat situations as explained in previous posts, unit cohesiveness is key and any sexual overtones even potential overtones can be harmful to the total trust that must exist among unit members. It is also true that homosexuals are more susceptible to blackmail and as such are routinely excluded from getting security clearances. Anecdotally, the soldier who leaked to Wikileaks is gay…

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  • SDMF
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:39pm

    @ smoovius Blacks have in every was that Americans have been involved in since the Revolutionary War. However the conditions in which they served are another story entirely.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:58pm

      @SDMF

      You are right, I over-simplified, and I shouldn’t have.

      I was referring more to full integration than I was being allowed to serve.

      There was a time where, if you were black, the best you could hope for was kitchen or custodial duty.

      Later, you had segregated duty, but no hope of ever becoming an officer.

      One day, they were forced to fully integrate, and the military actively fought it.

      They changed, they adapted, and they are better off for it.

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    • pmjme
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:08pm

      @smoovious as I read down I notice that you are continually being forced to back track your arguments, that are really more a comparison of apples to oranges in the first place. This (backtracking) is never a good thing in debate because everything you say following is then justly subject to skepticism. Matters of military service should be left to those dealing directly with the issue not some theoretical notion of how an ideologue thinks the world should work.

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  • Tal-El
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:21pm

    For some reason, the Israeli military is often sited here in the US as an effective military force that incorporates homosexuals. As someone who has served in the Israeli Air Force for three years on active duty and 15 years in reserves, I can attest that nothing can be further from the truth. Israel practices a kind of a DADT, where soldiers who let it be known that they are gay by their behavior are excluded from combat duty and any sensitive positions and relegated to clerical work (remember, we have the draft). In many other cases they are released from active duty as psychologically unfit to serve.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:32pm

      so, what was it that made them psychologically unfit to serve? did they not protect their brothers? did they not do their job? were they ‘flaming’ while in uniform? did they rape other male soldiers?

      did they just admit they were gay?

      “psychologically unfit”… used forever to mean anything…

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    • BRAVEHEART
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:51pm

      Psychologically unfit is putting it mildly. Homosexually is a sick perverse disease and any military that must maintain maximum effectiveness especially in combat can not tolerate such perverse bahavior and prevail against its enemies. Killing people is serious business, tolerating deviant behavior among combat troops is extremly dangerous.

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    • ClockKing
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:11pm

      You hit the key issue, behavior. What does “openly gay” even mean? Flouncing around in a pink skirt? Or just simply stating, that one is homosexual. One is acceptable, one is not. Behavior around ones colleges is what should be discussed.

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  • INTHEBEGININGGOD
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:16pm

    Why in the world should Congress vote on Don‘t ask Don’t Tell.
    The only ones voting on Don‘t Ask Don’t Tell should be all the armend Forces and no one else…

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:13pm

    SMOOVIOUS………………………………………………..is ABC

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  • mjgma
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:03pm

    Since I don’t serve in the military, I am not going to question those who do (pun intended). A lot of problems caused by those who was to force their own agenda on everyone else without regard for the impact it might have outside of their own tiny little circles.

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 9:54am

      I am in the Military. My opinion is that DADT should exist in that as leadership or recruitment goes, they can’t ask you if you are gay. As a soldier, they don’t have to tell their leadership or recruiting. If that soldier want to be open about it and tell everyone, that‘s their choice and it shouldn’t bar them from enlistment. If the soldier is already serving, they will not be chaptered out. If sexual harassment happens, the same UCMJ actions will be enforced, regardless if it’s a heterosexual man harassing a femail soldier or a homosexual man harassing a heterosexual man.

      We have a soldier in my unit that acts pretty gay. Was a male cheerleader in his brief stint into College. He loves the Twilight serious. People give him crap all the time and he doesn’t really fit in with the unit (INFANTRY) but that was his choice to join the Infantry and to act pretty gay throughout his life as a soldier. He’ll never admit it but who cares. I‘m more worried that he’s horrible at being a soldier in general (late for mission role call and negligent discharge of his weapon while on security) then him being possibly gay.

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  • JoeBtfsplk
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:58am

    Someone else said it all! Progressives want to destroy everything America stands for. DADT is one piece of their puzzle!

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:12pm

      America doesn’t stand for bigotry.

      BTW… it isn’t a progressive agenda, it is an anti-bible-thumper agenda.

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    • A Steiger
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:32pm

      Why is it an “anti-bible thumper” agenda?

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    • EP46
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 7:17am

      Agree…destroy our military from within. The military is Volunteer………if you don‘t like the rules don’t sign up. And oh how sad that they ‘can’t talk openly ‘ maybe they need a shrink instead of a uniform. Progressives hate war and they hate the military. They want to take all the money and give it to some other country. This is just to destroy the military.

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  • seemsew
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:28am

    Government allowed blacks in the military???….seems to me that blacks served with honor and valor during the Civil War, but Government did little to recognize their service. Women on the front lines??? There may be a select few that can handle that kind of intense battle, and they should be selected by their commanding officer because they can handle it. But to do a blanket sweep that ALL WOMEN SHOULD BE ON THE FRONT LINES is ludicrous!! One size DOES NOT FIT ALL, and it is this kind of thinking that has gotten us into the many of the messes that we are now in.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:05pm

      Read what I said again.

      I did not give a blanket all women should be able to serve on the front lines.

      I said women should be able to serve as long as they meet the same physical requirements as anyone else who already serves on the front lines.

      One standard.

      Not one standard for men, and another for women.

      Set a physical standard you need, and then leave it up to the men and women to meet that standard or fail on their own.

      Those who pass, qualify.

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    • dontbotherme
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:25pm

      As an aside, women did serve in the military on the front lines during the civil war (A Patriot’s History of the United States).

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:28pm

      Wrong. Women should NOT serve on the front lines. It has been proven that women who are wounded are more of a psychological detriment to the men then other male wounded. A wounded woman puts men into the mindset that that is their mother or sister with her guts blown out in front of them, and detracts them from accomplishing the mission. They will worry over a female wounded, even if she can’t be saved, while their other fellow soldiers are fighting a heated and contested battle. Israel is now looking into this fact and reconsidering their stance on women on the front lines.This isn’t sexism, it’s real facts.

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  • CrackerSmurf
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:27am

    Next in line for the Generealship of the marines is the school czar.

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  • SaintMichael
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:01am

    The only logical solution to ending DADT is to eliminate any seperate facilities among troops coed dorms, squad bays, showers. If gays can live with and see the gender of their attraction without privacy, then so should straight men and women. I mean it is only fair.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:18am

      I agree…

      Are the serving men and women adults and able to control themselves? or are they just children?

      We trust them with so much that we wouldn’t trust any ordinary law-abiding citizen with.

      They have a long process of proving themselves and earning that trust.

      Treat them like adults.

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  • Mikee T
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:01am

    There is NO PLACE for this crap in combat training………It‘s incidental and shouldn’t be an issue. I TOTALLY understand the thinking from the commander and he should have the right to determine what is compromising to troops or not. Nlothing against gay people, but they are generally not aggessive people anyway….(certainly not the men) and why would they be considered top combat marine material ? I mean, let’s call a spade a spade here folks….they want to be accepted, then prance around like very very feminine women without any reservations….then, we are supposed to pit them against animals like ground fighting taliban…etc. ??? It’s out of control… If you are gay and want the right to go and fight, do it and keep your personal sexual preferences to yourself….period !

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 9:20pm

      I am a Marine. Do you have ANY clue as to how stupid you sound with that posting? ANY? Your assertion that all gays “prance around like very very feminine women without any reservations” and your assumption that they cannot and will not fight is…just…rediculous. You never have been in a combat situation, and this is more than obvious. I was gonna go into a tutorial for you, but I’ll not waste my fingers typing. You are a stupid idiot degenerate, will die without honor living in your own stupid world of righteousness, and I will more likely piss all over your grave than recognise it. Good luch with life you failtard, hope you don’t infect the rest of humanity with offspring.

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 7:41am

      are we not at this time prosicuting a gay kid for exposing secrets? i think this shows why its not a good idea to have gays anywhere near or troops. they need a shrink not a uniform!

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 9:41am

      well, we’ve had a lot of straight people who have been convicted of espionage, treason, etc…

      So, by your logic, I suppose we should bar straight people from serving too?

      Maybe we should just stick with the individuals who committed those crimes instead of painting an entire class of people with that brush.

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  • seemsew
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:52am

    This is one for the military to decide, and not a bunch of judges sitting back here in their cushy offices and flowing robes. Seems the military has repeatedly spoken for “Don’t Ask, Dont Tell.” If it’s more important to be able to express your sexual preferences than serve your country, I would say, “Don’t join.”

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:14am

      the military was also against allowing women to serve, until the civilian gov’t told them to get over it.

      the military was also against allowing blacks to serve, until the civilian gov’t told them to get over it.

      Whenever it comes to integration of any group into the military, it is always the military who is the problem.

      Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for them, but it seems the established career military people are the roadblocks, always choosing to keep things as they are, instead of adapting and growing.

      (and frankly, women should be allowed to be on the front lines too, so long as they can meet the same physical requirements as the men who currently do. no dual-standard, one standard.)

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    • AlaskaRick
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:17pm

      SMOOVIOUS, you are ignorant and “don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for them.” Really? How about shutting your hole and actually think through your grandiose plans the military should implement from your myopic perspective!!!! I‘ve got 25 years in the military so I guess I’m one of those roadblocks.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:27pm

      If you care more about the pre-conceived notion about who a gay person is, and how they conduct themselves (based on a bunch of admittedly lousy examples), instead of the content of their character, then yeah… you’re one of the roadblocks.

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    • AlaskaRick
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:26pm

      I don’t have a pre-conceived notion because it’s not about the gay person. It’s about how to have the best military. I care about my country first even if it upsets those who are not physically, mentally or socially qualified to be in the military! The military has rules and standards of conforming for reasons that are not seen as fair or politically correct. The military is not a social experiment it’s a machine, a machine that is built for two things, to dissuade our enemies from attacking us and to destroy our enemies should they be foolish enough to attack. You want gays to serve openly and women on the front lines? You should think through every aspect of what you are requesting before you write.

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:58pm

      Smoovious – To me this is a non-issue. In my family, I know what’s best. I trust our military to tell us what is best for it. People like you who demand they change to please you cannot get my respect. It’s simply not your place.

      Our military has plenty to deal with and worry about without topics like this being forced on them. Why don’t you advocate for all our military ballots being sent out on time and getting counted? That, to me, is so much more important.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:01pm

      Perhaps we just have different ideas about what “openly” serving means.

      I only mean, getting rid of the fear of being punished for admitting it. No other behavior.

      I don’t mean, by “openly”, being, a flamingly gay soldier with colored hankerchief’s tied to the barrel of his gun, sashaying his way while marching in formation.

      And, frankly, by the attitudes I’ve seen so far in here, the gay soldiers aren’t the problem. It is the other soldiers who are the problem. And they need to grow up.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:11pm

      > Why don’t you advocate for all our military ballots being sent out on time and getting counted? That, to me, is so much more important.

      I agree, and I fully agree with that.

      It is dispicable how the military was treated over their ballots in this past election. People here at home should be fired, and whatever other punishment appropriate, over it.

      But, that isn’t the topic of this thread. DADT is. So that‘s why I’m taking this side in it.

      I’m a Libertarian. I don‘t believe the gov’t should be choosing who is, or isn’t, worthy to die for their country, and I don‘t believe the gov’t should be doing most of what it is doing.

      The Constitution has put severe limits on the authority of the federal gov’t, and for decades and then some, we keep allowing it to exceed its authority, and now it is out of control.

      So… when it comes to the gov’t telling how to live our lives, who is worth dying for their country, who is allowed to have rights and who isn’t, who the law can and can’t apply to, etc etc… yeah, I’ll argue my ass off about it.

      I’m a citizen, this is my gov’t, and this is my military, and it is my duty to speak out when I see them doing wrong.

      (and all of you to tell me I don‘t have a right to criticize my gov’t and its policies, are really on the wrong web site.)

      And, on that note, this is my last post on this topic. :)

      Have a good Sunday, everyone.

      – Smoovious

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 2:42pm

      Smoovious – My point wasn’t to tell you not to speak up, but rather to have a little faith in our military to know what is right for them. To have a very small social group told to keep quiet about their sexuality is a reasonable concession. I wouldn‘t want to disrupt the cohesion of the great majority because ’Barry’ might want to verbally pine about his boyfriend at home. It seems as though this is a scheme to bring down our armed forces from the inside.

      And I do not bother myself with what other countries around the world do. Means zero to me. Again, I trust OUR military to make this decision.

      Just wanted to respond to the seemingly wrong impression I may have given you. Please, speak away when you KNOW wrong is being done. Make sure you pick your battles wisely. If you don’t have all of the facts, then it may be better yet to listen. I mean, it’s not like this is a relatively new issue. I believe enough studies have been done and I have confidence in their judgment.

      Have a enjoyable and peaceful Sunday as well!

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:35pm

      @TumbleBumble

      Ok, I said goodbye, but just one more. :)

      I do have faith in our military. I just don’t believe that allowing “Barry” to share what is hurting him with his family back home, just like most of our military can do without fear of being punished, isn’t capable of bringing down our armed forces from the inside.

      I base this on 3 close friends who had all served full terms in the military, all 3 gay. 1 served before DADT, the other 2 served in Afghanistan.

      What they went through, feeling isolated, unable to discuss with those who they were supposed to be closest to during that time, for fear of being discharged, beaten, shunned… it was unacceptable.

      They didn’t change, they were the same people regardless of if they were able to admit it or not. They wouldn’t have been any less of a soldier than they were. They did nothing that would have deserved the kind of bigotry I have seen illustrated in this thread by some of the posters.

      They weren’t the problem.

      Nobody who puts their life on the line for their country and their freedom, should ever have to lie down and be treated as if they are less than what they are. They have earned that right. They gave for their country, fought for their country, and one of them bled and suffered for their country.

      The very same country that is ashamed of them.

      This is not right.

      On this, I do know wrong is being done, and as much as many would like it better if I just shut up about it and let the status quo stay as it is, I just can’t.

      This is wrong, and must change.

      Anyways… this is where I’m coming from with all of this.

      Thanks for the honest back-and-forth.

      – Smoovious

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    • jim1flyer
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 4:06pm

      Smoovious: I’ll respectfully disagree with your premis that military command is the roadblock. I have relatives in the service, they don’t want it either. this is a case of the few dictating to the masses.

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 4:36pm

      Smoovious – I appreciate you taking the time to share the details from where you come. I, myself, have a cousin who is gay (although never served). Just wanted to let you know that this is close to my home, too.

      I understand what you mean by… ‘I just don’t believe that allowing “Barry” to share what is hurting him with his family back home – isn’t capable of bringing down our armed forces from the inside.’ If it stopped with that, then I’d be right with you. But it never does. That is what is used to open the door, then all sorts of ills come afterwards. You know what I mean, like special privileges with the showers (as seen in schools), a flaunting of the lifestyle, protection status, etc.

      And maybe your friends wouldn’t act this way, but the truth is, others would. So in this case, yes, the bad apples do spoil it for the rest. I certainly do not want to be one to help our military get their hands tied any tighter. For Pete’s sake, the restrictions on the rules of engagement are getting ridiculous. Let’s not hinder them in any other ways.

      Again, thank you for explaining your side. I always do feel enriched by a civil and intelligent debate. Look forward to more in the future! :)
      Take care.
      TumbleBumble

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    • usmcflyr
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 2:11am

      @SMOOVIOUS,

      Let’s not compare apples to oranges here… women serving in the military dealt with real physiological differences, which is why they do not serve on the front lines. Even if they are strong and tuff enough to pass any physical fitness test, there are obvious physiological differences that would impact their effectiveness out in the front lines. Having served out in the front lines one would understand the obvious need for this restriction to remain in place. Furthermore, the Marine Corps is still the only branch of the military that segregates training between men and women. The reason for this segregation, I believe, is to eliminate the element of distraction that would also emerge with the repeal of DADT.

      As far as blacks serving in the military…. this was a purely social issue, which didn’t involve physiological differences or sexual attraction. Thankfully the military figured out that dark green Marines were just as effective as light green Marines, thanks to units like the Tuskegee Airmen.

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  • Iamtheoracle
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:50am

    I want my military men and women to be prepared mentally and physically tough as nails to take out our enemies… not worried about being “flipped” by their gay bunkie. And they should have all the money they need for equipment, training and forces recruitment. We cannot have a weak or small military

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  • HippoNips
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:43am

    If you believe that what goes on in your bedroom is your business and not anyone elses, then you should be FOR keeping Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell in place.
    The policy doesn’t kick people out because they are gay, It prevents the military from making private matters a measure of continued service Under the policy, both straight and gay follow the same standards of on the job performance and conduct.
    The policy doesn’t tell anyone who they can love, or whose personal relationship is valid or not. The policy doesn‘t say gays can’t serve , unlike what activists have claimed.
    And no one gets kicked out just because they are gay.
    The poster boys for repeal were kicked out because of their conduct…for instance, one was cruising for sex online for hours while on the job,….that isn’t allowed at ANY job, nor should it be..

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:53am

      if that policy starts kicking soldiers out of the military for discussing heterosexual behavior, then it’ll be fair, and I won’t have a problem with it anymore.

      Far as I’m concerned, if the person next to me is doing his/her job, honorably, then that’s all that matters.

      What do I care about who they’re attracted to?

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    • HippoNips
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:09pm

      Easy for you to say, you don’t take showers with men that will in fact be in interested and aroused by your naked body.
      You don‘t risk your lives in battle and don’t have to worry about unit cohesion.
      The guy standing next to you at your job has his clothes on and I assume so do you.

      The military isn’t a civil rights org. It‘s a job that you just can’t walk away from once your hired on. One that you risk your life at and so does the entire unit along with you. One that requires YOU to conforrm for the sake of others, not express yourself so you can have fine feelings about your individiuality.
      You have no valid agruement

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:34pm

      Hipponips, gays can serve in the military. They already shower with you. DADT doesn‘t deal with the gay person’s option of serving in the military, it deals with their option to openly admit to being gay. DADT or no, there may be gay people in the same shower room that you are. Do you think just because they can admit to being gay they’ll start touching themselves?

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:55pm

      @HippoNips

      My point exactly.

      Merely admitting to being gay should not be grounds for dishonorable discharge, nor a bar to recruitment.

      Kick em out based on disrespectful all you want to, I’m fine with that.

      A gay soldier should not have to fear talking to another soldier about how hard it is for his partner at home while he is away, honorably serving his country, any more than any hetero soldier should fear it.

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    • jds7171
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:36pm

      @Smoovious
      Here is the thing. I was in the marines myself and in the infantry. The most widely discussed topic we talked about was sex. It didn’t matter if we were on post or waiting in line to go eat food. We would see a beautiful lady and talk about the things we would do to her. I know we are pigs. Now picture your doing that with your friend and all of a sudden he says that about a guy. or another guy comes in and starts talking about a guy like that. No one will want to hang out with that guy anymore. No one would want to go on post with him at all. I am not saying we would leave that guy to die, I am just saying that he would be left out of the group.

      ALso the barracks. The barracks are set up so you don’t have anyone that you would have sex with living with you. Men staty with men and women stay with women. The policys of having an different sex person in your room are ridiculous, but they are there. IF they allow open gays and lesbians in the military now, they would have to create new barracks for them, so there would be no naughty stuff going on. That would add to the budget and it would also single the gays out. SInce a lot of people don’t want to deal with that stuff, via me by not making and friends who are gay, they won’t build that unit cohesian. Granted the gay and lesbian barracks would be the cleanest they would still be .

      You probably say that this is not how it is going to work blah blah blah. The military likes to take control of your whole life. Granted it has come along way since the days of WWII where they couldn’t even wear civilian clothes. Know this, when you sign the papers to join your but belongs to them. They can ride it as hard or soft as they want…no pun intended.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:54pm

      Why do you assume that just admitting that they were gay, would change how they are already behaving while they’re serving next to you, hiding in plain sight?

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:56pm

      btw, the reply I posted at 12:55p was supposed to be @Nvrforget, not @HippoNips

      sorry ’bout that

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    • usmcflyr
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 1:39am

      Repealing DADT will affect unit cohesion, period. It doesn’t matter which way you slice it , dice it, or try to justify it… it is what it is.

      The military is made up of guys and gals from all over the country with different backgrounds. One thing they all have in common is the acceptance of natural laws of attraction (notice I wrote the ACCEPTANCE not the practice thereof), which is why there are segregated barracks and showers. If there were secretly gay Marines in my unit watching me shower then so be it…. I didn‘t know about it and therefore wasn’t affected by it. Once you allow Marines to flaunt their unnatural attraction to someone of the same sex (which is the sole purpose of repealing DADT) the camaraderie will rapidly deteriorate.

      When our unit deployed to Iraq we were two Marines short: One was a conscientious objector and the other was a homosexual Marine who came out of the closet at a most convenient time. After two days everyone had forgotten about the conscientious objector, but even after the deployment Marines still had not run out of jokes and less than desirable comments about the devildog turned devilpoodle. It’s unrealistic to believe that after coming out of the closet this Marine would have been treated the same as other Marines. The business we carry out as Marines requires a very intimate relationship with the Marine next to you. To think that this relationship will not be affected by such a radical change to the current policy is naive.

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    • AmericanSoldier
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 10:00am

      @JDS7171

      The Army, as it’s setup right now, has women and men living in the same barracks building. Even on the same FLOOR. They just won’t be in the same room. Different floors if it’s an older building that has community showers. The newest barracks are apartment style now with two people to a room and each person get’s their own room within them like a normal apartment. Common bathroom and kitchen for the two but no living area. The barracks build just before that didn‘t give the two roommates separate rooms but they’d leave the two as male and never mix.

      Now, if you think about it logically, you may have had a gay roommate who may have fantasized about banging you in the butt every night. Is that what you want? Because of DADT, you couldnt know he was gay.

      If they are allowed to be open they can have their own room and you wont have to worry about having a gay roommate. They don’t need their own barracks just just the same policy they have now.

      I’m currently US Army, active duty, for your reference…..

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  • Ruler4You
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:30am

    opps! There goes another “top” Marine.

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  • Smoovious
    Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:04am

    oh please… the military should just man up and deal with it…

    I swear… I have a lot of respect for the military, but it is inane stuff like this that make them look like cowardly children…

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    • Jackson
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:20am

      How so? Please elaborate on your thinking.

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    • LIBERTYWORKS
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:49am

      You have to keep things professional, right…

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    • SaintMichael
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:57am

      So when did you serve?

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    • snowleopard3200 {mix art}
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:01am

      This change in policies by the Progressives to get rid of the ‘dont ask; dont tell’ is just one more of their attempts to gut the military and make it another international police only force. The armed forces are what helps to deter many enemies from coming after america, and so the Progressives want to stop the one force they cannot destory or gut any other way.

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    • CanIGetABreak
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:37am

      @Smoovious
      I have a question for you before you get all high and mighty? Did you spend 9 weeks showering next to someone who played with themselves and stared at you and the other girls while you all showered? I did. I have friends who are gay but I am not forced to shower in open bay showers with them. And in the medical field I do not get all grossed out by naked bodies, just people ogling me while I’m naked.
      When I was active duty we also had to share a room. We did not have a choice who we shared a room with, we got assigned to a room and deal with it. I eventually moved out of my barracks after my new roomates chief decided I was his new chew toy and my LPO wouldn’t do anything about it because they were friends. Luckily I was married (though we lived in different duty stations) so I was able to use that excuse to get BEQ and moved into an apartment with friends.

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    • what4
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:43am

      DADT should be the policy, for the most part these are young men and women who have been pressured by an out of control, liberal mind set, that gay is OK.. I say fine keep it to yourself, do yourself proud as a soldier, and maybe, just maybe they will see the light and fix their mental confusion.

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    • number1write
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:47am

      Smoovious, please don’t “man up” behind me …ever …especially in the men’s bathroom.

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:49am

      I agree. They should tell the establishment that “this is our policy on queers” and that’s that. Don’t like it? Field another military.

      I served with honor in the military. We had a ‘few’ instances of demonstrated homosexuality in our command that were used to ‘disqualify’ those “members” from service in that branch as they were ‘objectors.’ These people were a risk to Top Secret, Secret and Confidential materials and equipment and national security, not to mention personnel. Because they did “what they had to” to get out of the unit.

      Now, I‘m not saying that there weren’t ‘gays’ that served and didn’t act as subversives. Only that this “separate” group gamed the rest of the unit for it’s own ends. And that should be enough to convince the not convinced.

      If national security isn‘t enough for you to consider then you don’t understand the gravity of my comments. I can’t elaborate further for reasons still confidential. But if your ‘personal’ “feelings” out weigh considerations of national security then you yourself are a risk as well.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:52am

      @CanIGetABreak

      So… I guess I‘m not understanding where you’re going with that…

      Is your objection their sexual orientation, or that they were immature jerks with no sense of honor or dignity?

      Do you blame them because they were attracted to your gender, or their apparent inability to conduct themselves honorably?

      Sounds to me like they were the kind of people that should have been weeded out and sent home packing. Not because of what gender they were attracted to, but because of their actual behavior that they chose to conduct in.

      They didn’t act that way because of their sexual preference. They acted that way because they were stupid jerks with no sense of personal honor or respect of others.

      As for the showering around naked people of the other sex, in and of itself, I come from an extended family of nudists. Nudity is not a big deal. But, if anyone acted the way you describe, they would be ejected from the community in a heartbeat, permanently, and odds were, they wouldn’t be accepted in another one, because the different communities communicate with each other about their members’ behavior.

      Just wondering. What was it that you specifically objected to, and if you blame an entire class of people for the behavior of those specific low-lifes, or if you blame those low-lifes specifically, as they deserve.

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    • Smoovious
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 11:54am

      @number1write

      I’m straight, and respect other people’s space, male or female.

      But, if you’re so scared, then perhaps you should shower with your back against the wall.

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    • Kisha
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:29pm

      Don’t bring it to work! That’s what the policy is saying! It’s not discrimination. It’s proper!

      You dont go to work and say, “I cheated on my wife!” No, because your colleagues will look at you differently. They don’t care about the facts behind it. They just know you have sinned and they will hold you accountable for it. Even if you feel you were right to begin with. Leave the bedroom talk at HOME!

      Your fighting for your country. And that is the most prestigious job out there!

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:36pm

      @smoovious ….
      Anyone who has not been in the military with common living quarters should keep their mouth shut on this subject. Not only doesn‘t a military dad want it but mom and the kiddies don’t want their dad sharing personal living quarters with other women or known gay men.

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    • Kisha
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 12:42pm

      The other option is to not let gays in the military. Period.

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    • Inuyasha
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 1:45pm

      Listen, Smoovious. I was in the Marines, and actually worked at the Barracks where the above pictures where taken at. We had a gay guy in our unit. It was uncomfortable. There is a reason they have separate bathrooms and showers for men and women, it is the same reason you don’t want some gay guy in the shower with you. This guy would do and say things that almost got the crap kicked out of him at times but we didn’t feel like getting a page 11 over it. It was disruptive to the military environment and has absolutely no place there and in a real situation it will cost lives. When you are in the field you want a guy watching your back, not your cornhole. If you are gay and want to be in the military, abide by the military lifestyle. Being in the military is a lifestyle and so is being gay, they do not work with each other. Decide what you want to be and stick with it. If you want to go in the military, you know the terms. So, don‘t be a whiny bitch about it like you didn’t know after you are already in. He, thankfully, was finally kicked out and working conditions and the quality of our performances went up as a result. Period. Unless you have served keep your mouth closed because you have no clue what you are talking about. Keep DADT in place for the safety and job security of the gays. If it is repealed they are still under the UCMJ which will still kick them out anyways if they come out. Either way it just doesn’t work. The Generals know this.

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    • ozz
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 3:56pm

      @smoovious There is no room for this politically correct nonsense in the military period.
      DADT was the compromise, accept it and quit pushing.
      Perhaps we should reconsider and start asking and booting instead?

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    • INTHEBEGININGGOD
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 4:54pm

      Only the Men and Women in the Military should vote on Don‘t ask Don’t Tell. Not some Bureaucrats in Washington who alot of them probably never served.

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    • Robert W
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 5:26pm

      Keep the disorder out of the military. Gays serving openly in the military is just an attempt to destroy the military. Period.

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    • cstcomputers
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 6:33pm

      I suppose you have been in the Military and know what you are talking about?

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    • powhatan
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 6:54pm

      You do not get it…until you serve you never will

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    • shorthanded12
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 7:31pm

      How about politicians stop using OUR Military look like the bad guys. Question to you, have you ever served your country in uniform? IF Not keep your PIE HOLE shut. And yes I have served. DONT ASK DOT TELL is just another way for Barry to apease his left wing radicals. I Stand firmly with the Marine Gen. Amos.

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    • heavyduty
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 7:49pm

      Gays only want to join the military for one reason, and that is not to serve and protect. Its so they can go to the courts and make so they can get married. The military needs to stick by their guns. Nobody else gets favorite treatment so why should the gays. They will join the military and then they will want the desk jobs because they are special. If they are going to serve this country it should be on the grounds that they want this country to stay safe. Until then they can stay the hell out. You can tell this is the reason because they already think that they deserve more than anyone else in this country.

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:02pm

      I am going out on a limb and gonna look like a freak of nature, but this is America, and all opinions should be heard. First and foremost, Smoovious, if you EVER refer to the members of our military as “cowards”, I will come find you, and we will have a serious talk, just the two of us. And i am not kidding.
      Second, most of you probably know me as a former Marine, proud patriot and American, and i have stated that I will still, though my “contract” is up, die for any and all of you in defense of this counrty and constitution, in the manner prescribed by my oath so many years ago. With that said.
      I am not gay. At all. But if I had a Marine brother fighting beside me in a foxhole, whom I trusted my life to, who was gay, i would expect the same level of professionalism and trust to protect my life from him as I would a straight Marine. And I would have ZERO problem with his sexual orientation. He is a MARINE. With the same desire to protect his family, community and country as I have, which has been my PRIVILEDGE and HONOR to be apart of and to remember and for my family to honor for my life and and my family’s life. I would never presume to begrudge ANY American this opportunity to serve and fight for his/her country based on sexual orientation.I see that as a sin on the hearts of all Americans who feel that way.
      Now. For the anecdotes. Yes, there are times when someone has offended your personal “feelings” and maybe looked at your junk and jerked off from the memory. Well, the unoffical motto of the Marine Corps is “suck it up and walk it off”. Of course, I assume all you pissy-asses were from another branch, and not quite to the level of professionalism the you have in the Marine Corps, so I may offer a certain “level” of forgiveness. One guy talked about being in a nudist family setting, well I been to several nudist camps, and lemme tell ya, they are ALL looking at your junk and evaluating. Don’t be stupid.
      Let these honorable Americans serve who want to serve, and accomodate their US barracks quarters as “needed” so that those offended will feel no “undue anxiety”. You bunch of crybabies. These may be the same patriots who kill the enemy who is about to put a bullet into your face.
      THERE ARE GAYS IN THE WORLD. DEAL WITH IT.

      Semper Fi and Happy Birthday, Marines on Nov. 10th!

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    • StMichelob
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:08pm

      @HEAVYDUTY Are you effing kidding me??? I knew a couple of flamers in the infantry in the 90′s, and they were as hard corps as their straight brothers. They wanted to kill. They were gay, and inferred this point, and their straight brother infantry-men knew it, but when we all got drunk together, the straight Marines were pretty open about their support for these guys. They ALL knew who they could trust in combat, and these flamming ‘****” were some of the top respected in the unit. Sure they caught hell for being gay, and they took it in stride and gave back what they were given.
      I will sit in a foxhole with a brave, patriotic gay brother any day if his best interrest lies with saving me from death or injury from our enemy.

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    • WORKS FROM HOME
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 8:23pm

      Are you aware that in the military the only acceptable position is missionary.
      (a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
      (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
      http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm#925.%20ART.%20125.%20SODOMY

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    • longhorn mama
      Posted on November 7, 2010 at 10:45pm

      I think the new Republicans should immediately pass legislation abolishing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Most people, regardless of their views on homosexuality, think that if you want to serve in the military, well then God love you, and who cares what you do in your own bedroom on your own time.
      It would immediately establish that the Republicans could get something done when the Dems couldn’t and it would be done the right way rather than by judicial fiat.
      And this is coming from someone who believes homosexuality is an illness and homosexual acts are a sin. The Left are the ones who are actually intolerant.

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    • ron the veteran
      Posted on November 8, 2010 at 7:26am

      if they want to be men act like it! if it was me and i found out someone was gay in my company hed get a bullet in the back of his head in a fire fight. if you want to be a man be one but there is no place for pole smokers in the military.

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    • dividedindespair
      Posted on December 9, 2010 at 9:08am

      My father is a flaming homosexual, retired military. He was having sex with men in Vietnam! This is what they have to look forward to if they allow homosexuals to serve openly. He was a bad parent and a bad soldier. Manning up was he?

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