NKorea Caught Doctoring Photo of Kim Jong Il’s Funeral — Can You Spot the Difference?
- Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:13am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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North Korea has been caught doctoring a photo of Wednesday’s funeral procession for former leader Kim Jong Il. But can you spot the difference?
(Related: Is This Another Doctored Photo, Or Did a ‘Giant’ Show Up at Kim Jong Il’s Funeral?)
Here’s the photo distributed by the Associated Press (taken by the Kyodo News Agency):
And here’s the photo, taken from the same vantage point, distributed by the North Korean state news agency:
Here they are side-by-side:
The second photo was taken just seconds after the first (you’ll notice the second car is a littler farther along), but many of the people are in he exact same positions. So, did you catch the edit? The New York Times Lens blog explains:
In the Kyodo photograph, which appeared in Wednesday’s Pictures of the Day, six men are standing near a camera behind the assembled crowds. In the North Korean photo, the men — as well as the camera and their tracks in the snow — are gone.
The time between the two photographs can be approximated by the position of the first limousine in the procession, which had moved roughly a car length in the time the two photographs were taken. (A red line was added to the photographs by The Times to highlight the movement.) Video of the procession broadcast on North Korean state television showed the cars traveling at a brisk walking pace when accompanied by the country’s new leader, Kim Jong-un, and other top officials, and more quickly when they are absent.
“Almost nothing changes,” Mr. Farid said in an interview. “Except where the men were standing.”
Mr. Farid, a computer science professor who specializes in digital photo analysis, said the manipulation was a simple matter of cutting out the men and cloning the nearby snow to mask the area where they stood. “It would have taken all of 30 seconds,” he said.
“But they were a little too quick in the cloning,” he added. “Some of the concrete is covered up by snow.”
Mr. Farid and photo editors at The Times focused on an area of concrete where the men are standing that is partially covered in the Japanese news agency photo. In the manipulated photo, the snow covers more of the concrete in precisely the area where the men had been pictured seconds before. Had they simply walked away — already highly unlikely given the time between the images — their tracks should have been visible in the snow, but they also disappear.
So why the manipulation? Is it because the men aren’t facing the processional? No one really knows. The Atlantic, however, has some thoughts:
There was no reason at all to do it other than to keep up appearances, but appearances are always vitally important to dictators. In fact, it’s the organizing principle of North Korean society — looking like a strong, well-run nation to outside observers supersedes the actual building of a strong, well-run nation. Getting caught in a such silly lie is just another reminder that when dealing with a totalitarian state, the truth is almost never what it seems.
And in other North Korea news, Kim Jong Un, the son of the deceased dictator, was officially named the country’s “supreme leader.”
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Comments (271)
FEISTY
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:07amWhy is anyone surprised that the N. Korean state controls the media and the distribution of media? This is news to anyone? OMG! They doctored a photo!!! Call the press!
Report Post »Sandy
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:26amOur MSM doctors stuff by Obummer all the time…….. so I guess we are almost like N. Korea
mwhaley
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:29amI was told by a reporter the men was singing “Ding dong the witch is dead. The wicked witch is dead.”
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:37amThis is an act of war. : )
Report Post »TROONORTH
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:38amThis late breaking story just across the desk – “KIM JONG IL STILL DEAD!”
And in this follow-up story – “NORTH KOREA THREATENS TO INVADE HEAVEN TO PUNISH GOD FOR FAILURE TO RESURRECT ‘DEAR LEADER’ CITING THREE DAY RULE.”
Film at eleven.
Report Post »jjoy
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:49amYep… another “hard-hitting“ ”news” story by the Blaze…
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:52amThey “clone stamped” (that’s the Photoshop term) the snow on the other side of the roadway too. You can see lots of dark areas in the snow in one photo that have been removed in the other photo. I think it says a lot about N. Korea, that they would stoop to such over-obvious cheap tricks to try to make things appear different than they really are.
N. Korean Commie propagandists wanted pristine snow for the funeral of Kim Sung Whoever. Gee, I’ve already forgotten his name as most of the rest of the world soon will. And how do we know all those people aren’t really “Occupy North Korea” protesters, demanding food for a starving nation?
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:55amThe second photo has also been brightened up to look more like Winter and less like polution.
Report Post »LI_catfish
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:06amNo one is surprised. We all know the lengths at which these people will go to create illusions. It’s important that they be monitored and the viewing public be made aware of and reminded of this fact. Maybe you should read articles on Jennifer Anniston’s failed love life.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:20amObama doctored his birth certificate.
Report Post »drphil69
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:58am1984 anyone? After all, the libs here rewrite history constantly….
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:58amOh please. Google “fox doctored photo” and you find lots of photographs that FOX has photoshopped to suit their agenda. Don’t even.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:14amAnother gripping story. The depth on issues here is really impressive.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:56amThey ‘Had” to. It’s who they are. It’s what they are about. To not do so, would have been a sign of weakness from the tyrant in charge.
Report Post »capitalideals
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:57amJZS, Please provide an example of a Fox News doctored picture. If you can’t, you are a liar.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:40pmcapitalideals, well, if you don’t know how to use Google then maybe you should take a computer class at your local junior college. You’d find more than a few FOX doctored photos. But, since you seem to lack the basics, here’s a start for you:
http://brighthall.aol.com/2008/07/03/foxs-doctored-photos-are-a-disgrace-to-photoshop/
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:42pm@JZS I know some folks look forward to any chance to knock Fox News, but do you actually have any evidence of Fox News doctoring photos to fit a narrative, or are you just spouting your own doctored narrative?
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:55pm@JZS This was the same segment they superimposed these folks heads over a poodle’s body? (From the article) Why don’t they post the poodle head pic too? Because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/FNCControversy_Poodle.png
Yeah, that is sure a widespread phenomenon, a single segment where they were obviously photoshopping people.
I have no allegiance to Fox, but this kind of widespread hate for them is ridiculous. In general, they are just as professional, if not more so, than most of their competitors.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:04pmWhile we continue to contemplate and discuss this irrelevant cr@p, regarding a photoshopped picture, the global elite and their minions are destroying our constitution on the house and senate floors.
Report Post »I am tired of this National Enquirer BS from the blaze. Pathetic.
abbygirl1994
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:06pmI agree since our own President seems to do the same.. there is a photo of him coming out of the ocean.. at first you think nothing of it until you look closer.. the head doesn;t fit the body, the hands are wrong.. Obama’s hands are thin and his fingers are long and thin also. His arms are also very skinny and in the photo it shows a much more muscular man’s body.. In no way does our string bean president have that phisique!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:09pmAs much as I dislike Communism, I really respect the fact that Korea has actually kept their country’s sovereignty, and never allowed a World Central Bank to Infiltrate their government, distribute their Currency, change laws and eventually take Korea over, like the Global Elite did here.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:39pmHuckleberryFriend, maybe you should look at the photos again. They are not dressed up as poodles. Watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfCsQeOnsrk Yes, the poodle photo was obviously fake. Good catch. But the doctored images of the two guys are presented as real.
I know that a 24/7 anti-Obama network passes as “professional journalism” to you and your friends, enough that you will defend the use of doctored photographs, deceptively cropped videos, deceptive graphs and so on. But that‘s because you buy into the message they’re selling.
Whoever does the charts at FOX must have read “How to Lie with Statistics.”
http://flowingdata.com/2011/12/12/fox-news-still-makes-awesome-charts/
There plenty more where that came from, and don’t even get started on fake or deceptive video. It’s what they do there Friend, like phone hacking.
Report Post »infidelible
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:39pmIt matters as those are probably (special) members of the military ensuring the crowds remained throughout the whole funeral procession. They could not rely on the genuineness of the grief so they played it safe and relied on the inspiration of fear. (and what’s the device being manipulated on the far left?)
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:52pm@jzs
Moral Relativism
See, because FOX News (which has absolutely nothing to do with this story or comment thread) doctored photos, North Korea should be able to do anything with any photos they like, and no one should call them out for the behavior. Isn’t that clear to all of you knucke dragging non-Progressive elites?
If Fox News did something (FOR GOD SAKES!) that makes it open season for anyone to do it, and you can’t say “pish”. If you do, then you are a hypocrite, because you probably watch Fox News, and watching Fox News is the same thing as doctoring photos for Fox News.
I’m a Progressive Socialist who hides behind the internet handle “JZS” and I not only approve of this message, but can prove that posting it is morally relative to murderings millions of innocent people. So don’t judge me….or anyone else….ever…
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:58pm@jzs
Thank God you’ve come to enlighten us, JZS. Please, drag us into the burning light from the darkness of our cave. Only then can we see the truth. Maybe, if you convince enough of us, we’ll make you our philosopher king.
“There plenty more where that came from, and don’t even get started on fake or deceptive video. It’s what they do there Friend, like phone hacking.”
You aren‘t anyone’s friend. You come here, because it’s the internet and you can torque people off safely without getting punched in the face, much less back up your assertions in real time with real people who can think on their feet. You bring nothing to this discussion but an open need to trash Fox News.
It‘s like you’re an atheist who’s found a captive audience of Catholics. Notice my use of language. You assume people here think Fox News is Gospel, and if you bash Fox News you’ll get a massive rise from the audience.
You get a minor nibble and you go for the throat. Most people here have stopped watching Fox now that it’s finally slanted more in line with your Marx-stream Media. But that’s not good enough for you. You can’t just have the media spew your own thoughts back at you on 98% of the channels 24/7, can you? No, the thought that someone in the world might be having an independent thought drives you crazy. You need a law, JZS…and internment camps…to finally make everything right.
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:18pmJXS thinks he//she’s so smart, but he doesn‘t seem to be aware of the Democrat party’s party of death agenda, and who’s the chief domestic enemy of America. I’m not buying what JXS is selling and yes, I will use my community college classes to make my point (all A’s in Photoshop classes):
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:22pmMake the state/flag bigger and thus more imposing, make the crowds seem all the more bigger and you have one happy and great society. It never ceases to amaze me how socialist/communist regimes will blatantly lie to the people to maintain control…because even they want to know the real truth. Truth some will never get until they cross over into eternity and then they’ll know they were lied to all of their lives. God will have mercy on the people, but the ones who manipulate the people…well?
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:40pm@JZS
Like I said, I have no allegiance to Fox, but I will continue with this anyhow.
So you caught on that the poodle was a fake, but the others weren’t? You mean you didn’t see the clown-like cheeks on the one guy and the comical nose on the other as supposed to be in the same lame attempt at humor? If you don’t put two and two together, the poodle should tie it all in if you look at it as a whole. I mean these weren’t even mediocre attempts at photoshopping, they were purposefully awful.
Okay, lets say you got me in your super logic trap. It is still not a news segment. It is an opinion segment during “Fox and Friends” which is an opinion show. Let me know when you actually see a news segment that purposely does that.
By “that” I mean purposefully edit video or alter photographic evidence in order to fulfill whatever narrative Fox has today, kinda like how Reuters, AP, MSNBC, CNN, Al Jazeera, Pravda, RT, or the BBC does fairly regularly.
http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/27/ron-paul-cnn-interview-cnn-edit-unfairly_n_1171462.html
http://hellaheaven-ana.blogspot.com/2011/09/al-jazeera-publishes-fake-picture-of.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/12/12/frozen-planet-fakery-row-polar-bear-filmed-in-zoo-115875-23628713/
Always, always, always look at multiple sources. Everyone sees the “truth” through a different light. Me? I only read DPRK News from Best Korea. http://www.kcna.co.jp/inde
Report Post »scheduler
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:58pmLooks just sad.
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »RCScrolls
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 3:15pmWe are already being minupulated aswell by actually most Media the main stream period.
Report Post »Thats How Obama may win again. They are all (atleast) owners of the media socialists already.
The problem can easily be seen by Ron Paul activists, they are always being edited to look like idiots. I will give my support to Him though, because even with Gingrich and Romney w have to give up on our own pricipals or morals in alot of their Doctrines and politics. However if we vote for Paul we really only have to give up on one( Forgein policy). I would rather try this than use a progressive like Gingrich, or a Mormon like Romney. Ron Paul is a stuanch Constitionalist which has different moral I deals than conservatives but is really for the true better enhancment of America. Whats so bad with Iran having a nuke, others will keep them inline or Israel will move on its own. Who really do we think we are dictating who can and connt have a nuke while we have more than anyone. And as far as legalizing drugs, well lets try it, remember Alcohol it was made legal and got the mob out of controling it. Theres alot we as a country have given up on including the war on drugs. Time to try something else out. Rid of DOEucation DOEnergy, EPA and end the FED its clear and simple we would flurish again especially without all the regulations. any thoughts rcscrolls@aol.com
M1A2_Tanker
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 3:34pmJZS
You mean like When MSNBC called this 0bama-care protester an angry white racist only to find out they cropped out his skin which clearly showed he is a Black American?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwg-f3dqN4&feature=related
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/BlameThe1st/Demotivational%20Posters/Cropping.jpg
You are just a vile old shrill whose dream of Communism will never come to pass in this country EVER. This country is in serious trouble but trust me when the gun smoke settles you’ll still be a vile old shrill who is also a loser. Most likely a loser on some other continent because we WILL send you and your ilk on a one way flight.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 3:43pm… I personally don’t give a damn about that murderin” Korean creep, or his murderin’ regime …
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 4:50pm@HuckleberryFriend
Report Post »@Jaycen
@Ray2447
@M1A2_Tanker
Very nice! I don’t let JZS (JeZuS) get to me but, his everyday constant dribble is tiresome. I do wish he would grow up and be more respectful but, “a wish is not a fact”. And, “what something is, is what it extends”. We all see exactly what he extends.
Eliasim
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 5:38pmI wonder why Americans keep falling hook line and sinker for the media showing us, and pounding us with news of foreign dictators. I know really that most people don’t really care until they attack America. I think it’s because they want Americans to look constantly at foreign dictators, so Americans won‘t pay attention to the 1000’s of dictators who live in America.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 5:47pm@MONK
What I find tiresome about JZS is his intentional dishonesty. I don’t remember the exact quote, but when asked why he supports the OWS movement when communist, socialist, and every other two bit dictator supported them he said something like, if a communist thinks a puppy is cute should I disagree on the principle that he is a communist? Yet he goes on a rant about Ayn Rand, condemning anyone who has read her book as having identical viewpoints from God to charity. But if you have read rules for radicals you know he is only making the opposition live up to their standards.
I also find the intentional twisting of ideas to suit his purpose tiring. Like when he finds and example of a business getting a tax break and not hiring as his argument for higher taxes. I have never heard any on our side claim tax breaks result in every business hiring 100% of the time. He must tell his kids, “Well, there is no reason to wear a seatbelt because death is still possible wearing one.”
But what is probably the most tiresome is how he advocates for ideas he would not subject himself to. I asked him over 15 times to give an example of a liberal policy he implemented in his life and benefited from. The only example he could give was charity, a conservative idea. He could not even fabricate a beneficial liberal position.
Report Post »MEANS2RESIST
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 7:50pmC’mon Beck…looks like you need to give your crew a pep talk, these stories just keep getting lamer & lamer
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:17pmHuckleberryFriend, awesome links. Yes, Photoshop fakery isn’t an exclusively FOX phenomenon, I agree with you on that. But the photographs of the two guys, two guys that most viewers had never seen before and don’t have a clue what they look like, after a couple of seconds instantly know that the photos were faked. Come on. And you say that viewers, after seeing the poodle photo, should retroactively reevaluate their initial impression of the photos that were shown for a couple of seconds with no indication that they were fake. And then what? Change their memory of the photos and mentally remove the photoshop effect that you say are so obvious. Huckle, you know better. Come on, you know better.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:30pmSpeckChaser, your memory is indeed as poor as you suggest in your post. There are a lot of people who are actively involved with the OWS movement, and a lot of people who support them. Speck, people, Americans. Maybe you don’t like Americans protesting. But this is America and Americans have a right to protest about what they see as injustice.
Ayn Rand? Do you object to reading quotes from her? She’s is the philosopher of the right, but I guess you don’t like hearing how she mocked Christianity and Christian values huh? It must tiresome to reconcile those two views.
Liberal policies that have benefited me Speck? As if I haven’t answered you 15 times? I’m kind of fond of Social Security and Medicare. My mother is on SS and probably yours is too. I like the Fire Department too, an organization that is paid by the government. Their equipment and the buildings they work from are paid for by the government. Pure liberalism – not privately owned, for profit organizations – but I think that’s beneficial to me and you. Maybe you’d like the fire department, or the police to be run, not by the government, but instead owned by a big corporation and run on a profit basis. I’m not sure how that would work, but as Ayn Rand capitalist, maybe you can tell me.
I agree, it’s tiresome.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:10pmJaycen, I see you’ve read “The Republic.” So you must have had at least a year of college, maybe two. But you didn’t graduate did you? Correct me if I’m wrong. You probably don’t like the idea of student loans now that your school days are past. You may think that the government supporting students trying to get an education is a foolish waste of money, given that you didn‘t get a degree and you’re doing just fine. All this liberal stuff about educating young Americans so that America can compete in a world market must sound hollow to you. Am I wrong?
You say that, “Most people here have stopped watching Fox…” I think you‘re wrong that other posters here don’t watch FOX. Maybe other posters here will support you on that, but I doubt it.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:55pm@ JZS
Your last post caused me to laugh a little. Did you mean it to be that ironic? one thing I said in my post was tiring was your purposeful twisting of arguments and then you respond by twisting the argument.
I would tell you to listen close but I know you glazed over the comparison on purpose. You were asked how you can support OWS when it was also supported by communist, socialist, Chavez, Iran, etc. Your answer was basically that those people don’t speak for you, and just because your siding with them doesn’t mean you share their beliefs.
You then try to pin Ryan’s views on Religion and charity to anyone who doesn’t renounce her as a vile person. It is quite humorous. Is there a reason you believe im obligated to defend Ryan’s beliefs? I’d like to know.
I guess that makes it about 15 times that you answer with a diversion on the liberal principle question. I know you haven’t given an example because one doesn’t exist. It’s like a loaded question. I don’t expect you to say something like, “I spent 40% more than I made last year and it was the best thing I ever did”, or “One of my kids did a great job on their chores…so I grounded him. The other didn’t do half of them…so I gave him ice cream. I know you can’t give examples because deep down you don’t even agree with the ideas you advocate for, don’t agree with them being imposed on you anyway.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:11pm@JZS
Even though I already know the answer to this question, here it goes.
What liberal policies have you implemented in your personal life and were benefitted by? Please don’t answer with the Conservative idea of charity or the teacher/police officer stuff. You know conservatives out give liberals when it comes to charity. I would like Liberal policies that Conservatives oppose. I’ll give you an example of what I’m looking for since you haven’t given one yet. See below.
I have implemented the idea of spending less money than I make on a monthly/annually basis to build my savings/retirement and give me a cushion for hard times and unexpected events.
Here is another loaded question. Which of our founding fathers ideas (non-distorted of course) do you agree with that are opposed by Conservatives/Republicans and supported by Liberals/Democrats?
Also, could you please tell us what you are, so were all on the same page? We all know capitalism leaves a bad taste in your mouth, so with ISM is it?
Report Post »TunaBlue
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:49pm“The second photo was taken just seconds after the first (you’ll notice the second car is a littler ((typo)) farther along), but many of the people are in he (typo) exact same positions. So, did you catch the edit?”
No! Did you catch the typos? Who rights (writes) this stuff, a ten-year old?
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 12:21amAll that it looks like they did was clean it up. Everything else was organized looking besides the random camera men. They decided to take it out. Who cares? OMG! They photophopped a few people out! It must be an act of war!
Come on… who care?
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:03amHey Spec. I’m a little surprised by your example of rewarding children for doing or not doing things, and personal finance, as an analogy for the government policy. Hitler believed in family and marriage and kids, so I’d assume you would disassociate yourself from those institutions. If Hitler liked something, it must be bad, at least according to your logic.
In any case, I’ll go with the same analogy. Unlike you I had to borrow a ton of money to buy my house and still owe on it. Your policy is to spend less that you make, so you don’t borrow money to get a house or car, but I’m not that rich.
In my house the income I make is distributed to everyone. We get a microwave, I let everyone use it, not just me. I guess I could take the Ayn Rand position that I make the money, it’s mine, and everybody else just needs to get a job or starve, but I don’t. It’s not charity on my part, it‘s the fact that we’re all in this together and we all look out for each other, unlike a conservative family.
I was worried for a time about all the guns and weapons my next door neighbor has, so I invaded his house. Turns out he didn’t have any weapons, and I went into deep debt financing the operation, but at least the neighbor has gone.
Sorry if you think I’m abusing the simplistic and ridiculous analogy between family finances and the largest economy in the world.
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:15am@JZS
I can’t believe I am still biting on this, so I will make this my last comment and give you the last word.
In a span of what, 60 seconds, they showed you a pic of two disfigured faces followed by a pic of those disfigured faces pasted on a poodle. Nothing in your head says “This is just slanted opinion?” Obviously you think Fox News does nothing but promote slanted opinion, so that HAS TO BE going through your head, but you think this is too much for every other viewer?
So, in your mind, you think that while watching TV, whether it be news, opinion, entertainment, or what have you, you should not be expected to think critically about what has just been fed to you? In a clip where the Fox commentators are obviously giving their opinion on an opinion show, and obviously dogging these two guys, and obviously photoshopping them, and obviously trying to pull a weak attempt at humor, I am supposed to sit back and think “This is factual information I am absorbing right here. I should take this seriously. Furthermore, I should condemn these disgusting looking poodle-men.” C’mon man, if we all did that, we would end up like those poor souls in North Korea who are actually weeping the death of their tyrant because they don’t critically analyze any of the news fed to them by the DPRK central news agency. ( http://www.kcna.co.jp/)
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:16am@JZS
The fact of the matter is, no matter what you are watching, you should analyze what you previously saw based upon your current knowledge. To have such a negative view of your average American where you wouldn’t expect them to critically analyze what they are watching regularly is probably one of the most elitist things I have heard to date.
Also, I know you weren’t directly commenting towards me, but I will put my 2 cents in your other discussions too:
Ayn Rand may have had some good ideas, but she doesn’t speak for “the right” and doesn’t perfectly reflect all things “consevative”. (I would love for someone to define “the right” or “conservative” for once before painting everyone they disagree with that term.) Just like Ganhdi did some great things, but not many people will agree with his published views on race. Very few people can point at another person and say “I stand for everything he stands for” so you can just stop with that. People pick and choose what a person means to them. On the progressive side of things, I am sure that not everyone who agrees with Bill Clinton on foreign policy wants to be just like him in every other facet of his life.
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:23am@JZS
On your socialist programs -
-Fire Department – The government, even a libertarian one, has a mandate to help protect people’s rights, lives, and property. Just because the government does something, doesn’t make it socialist. So yes, I am arguing that the fire department is not necessarily a socialist program. Furthermore, some fire departments are privately owned and for-profit, contradicting your idea that they stand for “pure liberalism”. (“Liberalism” is such a poorly defined word these days anyhow.)
-Social Security / Medicare – Just because I have a relative using these programs doesn’t mean they are benefitting from them. In order to benefit, they would have to be better off than if they had kept all their SSI and Medicare payments from their paychecks over the past 60 years and invested them privately. It is highly debatable that they are better off than that. Furthermore, if, or more likely “when”, Social Security and Medicare run out of other people’s money to spend, then nobody will benefit, as you have stripped people of their income with no possibility of return.
Report Post »HuckleberryFriend
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 10:30am@JZS
-Student Loans – The government involvement in student loans has lowered the standard of college degrees for decades, and left millions of kids endebted with little to show for it. Undergraduate school has become the high school after high school and lets see you try getting an in-major job with a Phd in Philosophy in this economy. People are paying for worthless degrees, not valuable educations, and so most students aren’t ever able to acquire a job in the field of their study, and many end up acquiring jobs that many high school students would be just as qualified to perform. The government compounded this problem by making it so student loans follow you beyond bankruptcy (we can’t have people screw over the government after all, just those evil banks), so now if you get a worthless degree, you will be crushed under a mountain of debt indefinitely.
Okay, I really am done now. I’ll let you get the last word.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 30, 2011 at 11:16amHuckleberryFriend, good post. I agree with much or most of what you said, particularly about being sceptical and critical of what you see or read.
Report Post »gonetotheright
Posted on December 31, 2011 at 9:53amCall the Press? The same MSM that had an orgasm evertime they see Obama?
Report Post »BuggiOlleo
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:06amAll these folks actually showed up for this guys funeral; you goota be kidding..N Koreans are eating each other for food, and the city folk go to their beloved Dictators Funeral..Look at all that wasted cash to bury this guy..
Report Post »How many starving people could have lived from welfart gratuity…but nooooo, the dictator dies and the indoctrinated kid, Kim II??..just burn kim or give his meaty bod to the starving..
Cmon armed soldiers at a funeral..so, what kind of procession is this anyway..Ohhhh, I get it; this is a funeral with a dead guy people love soooo much armed soldiers are needed to help their beloved dictator get planted..
By the way, since N Korea is kinda Commi and all; I believe his coffin can be used again–as well as his—wait..he was probably already saintified by fire..this is just a WAX Figurine of Ken–ahhh ah mean, Kim..whata name..bet he got razzed in the schoolyard..
starman70
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:17amWhen you told by armed soldiers that you WILL attend the funeral and that you WILL cry hysterically in a show of grief for the fallen leader or else you or your entire family will be shipped off to a “Re education camp”, what other choice do you have?
How long before the ******** in America institute the same agenda?
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:20amI think they inserted our “ national Hemmorhoid ” Jimmy Carter….
Report Post »SDMF
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:06amEither they were told to be there by force or they have some sort of grandiose case of Stockholm Syndrome amongst the people.
Report Post »SeekerEmerald
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:25pmI would not expect anyone to understand this, unless they see it for themselves. True, some attend because the fear what will happen if they don’t, but there ARE many many in that country that have no idea of what the rest of the world is doing. They consume the propaganda from the “benevolent” government, and truly believe they are much better off than the rest of the world. There is no other story to consider, so you believe what you are told. The ones that do have an idea of what is out here in the rest of the world know something else. If you step out of line, it’s not just YOU that suffers. They will go after you immediate AND extended family. All of them will end up in work camps. It’s nothing out of the ordinary for 20 family members to be shipped off to a camp for the rest of their lives because one person questioned the wisdom of their “dear leader.” If you research this, you’ll see this is true.
It doesn’t really matter how brave you are, if you know your family will be the ones to pay for your “crimes” most people will rethink doing anything to upset the government.
Report Post »West Coast Patriot
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:48pmYes, you do notice that the guards are all facing the people and not the procession. They are posted to ensure that the people act the way they are told to act.
Report Post »Outlaw_Josey_Wales
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:02amThe six men standing near the camera behind the crowds were they arrested and hauled off to a labor camp?
Report Post »chips1
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:21amThe top figure appears to be bowing. Is Obama really in Hawaii?
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:46amReally good chips1
Report Post »666Sucks
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:01amLol Chips1, that was a better observation and far more relavent than the photoshop issue!
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:02amPerhaps the six men had to run to get away from some enterprising capitalist with a snow making machine who showed up to sell the commies fake snow.
“And for only $99.95 we can cover over all those yellow spots in your snow to make that once in a lifetime experience extra special. And if you act know, we’ll sweeten the deal by throwing in a case of Totalitarian Commie brand toilet paper as a special one time sales bonus.”
Who could resist such an offer?
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:54amSpeaking of N. Korean labor camps I ran across this interesting report about the contracted NK camps in Siberia.
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/north-korean-labor-camps-part-1
Report Post »The Sergeant Major
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 5:22pmGordie??
Report Post »RedneckJim
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:01am“There was no reason at all to do it other than to keep up appearances, but appearances are always vitally important to” leftists. “In fact, it’s the organizing principle of” the Democrat party. They must continue to tell the people that the economy has gotten better, that unemployment is down. “Getting caught in a such silly lie [sic] is just another reminder that when dealing with” progressives, “the truth is almost never what it seems.”
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:17am@Red
Report Post »The left is all about image, minipulation and control. The photo was cleaned up to show every one in order, as they should be to, view the dear leader’s procession. Now the photo is perfect with every single person in position. Control freaks.
Ray2447
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:10amIt kind of reminds me of all the “white wash” the Obama administration is using to try and cover up the “Fast and Furious” debacle, and all the other dirty details of Obama’s administration.
Report Post »empatreides
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:35pmTruth=WHAT WE TELL YOU IT IS. Oh wait those guys were not fake
Report Post »Crying enough so the edited out the shootings. That’s all nothing more.
Can’t have that getting out to the public.
Meanwhile, back in hell, Kim is being introduced to big daddy Hitler and
Bubba Moa. Let the hazing begin
NewLife56
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:00amKinda like when Obama gave his famous UBL speech announcment, remember how the White House set up and doctored the photo to make him look Presidential? Didn’t work.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 12:48pmDid to.
Report Post »gonetotheright
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:00amPropaganda! Just like the MSM in the USA! All Hail to the Chief! You cannot have dirty snow in a prefectly controlled propaganda world!
Report Post »ZeroOff4impact
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:58amAnd those men where never seen again .. I mean what camera crew ?
Report Post »Amy
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:54amI agree with The Atlantic. Except to a stronger point, NK must appear totally organized and not at all out of sync – or weak.
btw… the free digital editing program Picasa can do a quick and easy edit of photos.
Report Post »GO-FOR-LIBERTY
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:47amBut you see they do look weak what with all that crying.
Report Post »Anything for an extra bowl of rice. I see Un has been eating quite well.
DirkPitt
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:53amSince this little slip has been discovered the men who edited the photo have probably been executed.
Report Post »Hickory
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:53amMaybe it was Jimah Cawter standing there and he wasn’t invited.
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:49amHe’s filthy dead Communist meat.And more are to come.Dead Communists.
I promise.USA!
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 9:06amKim Jong Ills funeral song…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDTTahWhnQ
Beware Communists,life is short.And scary.FOR YOU.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:44amAhhh because the “camera crew” is part of the department George Orwell called the “thought police” they are making sure ALL the good little card carrying communists living on straw in sector 7-8-5 are present and ALL accounted for!! If someone cannot prove where they are in the video during confession time, there will be an apartment available in sector 7-8-5!!! Big Brother is watching…….
Report Post »Restore the Republic
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 2:00pmyou’re confusing N. korea with the Obama Administration
Report Post »cmsmik
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:42amWhy is this a story? I don’t get it.
IMO the story from yesterday where all of the NK people in the streets crying and jumping up and down, with no tears in their eyes! What a joke. I mean Kim Jong starved millions of his people and they were in the streets like it was the Pope of Rome that died. Now that is a story.
Report Post »poorrichard09
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:46amYeah, in NK you cry or you die.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:51amYesterdays story illustrates the effectiveness of a brutal dictator’s ability to control the populace,brainwashing techniques have been used for many years by communists,and it’s evil and always ends with genocide.Mao,Pol Pot,Stalin etc.
Report Post »parmajohn
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:40amAs long he His still Dead and not walking in the procession …Whats the Big deal?
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:39amAnd, who gives a rat’s azz???
Report Post »MrMagoo
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:38amHe was queer as a $3.00 bill.That’s all I need to know.Commie
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:38amPS: I‘m sure the photographer was thinking of their own image and reputation rather than Dear Leader’s.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:36amHaving been a photographer in the business, I think they NYT and Blaze are making a mountain out of a molehill. All they did was ‘clean up’ the photograph. EVERYONE does it in photo reportage if it’s only technical in nature. They fixed the underexposure, making the white whiter, and then whoever was doing the editing on the computer just cleaned up the messy looking stragglers on the left. I can‘t think of a photographer I’ve ever known who wouldn’t have done the same thing. Now, if this was a surveillance photo, or someone trying to show evidence, that would be entirely different.
Report Post »alina.bolero
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:58amI agree. This is minor clean-up to make a better photo. Bothering to draw attention to it demeans the severity of the atrocities that his regime committed upon the people of North Korea. This is insignificant by comparison.
Report Post »Nonegatives
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 11:57amIf Mr. Seidl with a degree in politics, philosophy, and economics would have taken a moment to ask a photographer, he could have avoided posting such a worthless “story”. The eye is drawn to the dark blobs on the left because they are out of place with the rest of the photo. This is fixed by cropping or blocking them out to make you focus on the right part of a picture. Glenn need to hire fewer “journalist” if he wants this site to be any good.
Report Post »Slowman101
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:33amJust another North Korean lie. Hopefully the new leader Kim Jong Un will have high cholesterol and drop dead soon.
Report Post »SomeRandomPerson
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:31amIt happens here in America too, but nobody want’s to believe it.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:43amThey still believe we’re free and have liberty,the fantasy continues…………….
Report Post »Beeree
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:29amCould I draw a parallel to our president? It might be a stretch but here goes. It is like our president having his dog flown back from Hawaii for a photo op just to make him look like a real person. It’s all about appearances.
Report Post »rt elms
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:27amWe caught them red handed (so to speak)
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:36amGood one!
Report Post »Ray2447
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 10:21amUsing the same tool (clone stamp), it would not have been hard to have added more people to the audience. If commies can “disappear” people, they can certainly “appear” people and revise history. After changing a picture, all you need is a Marxist/Commie college professor who‘s paid off of the taxpayer’s money to tell the people what to think.
Report Post »Sojourner
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:27amI was thinking the crowd in the second photo was wearing Christmas sweaters.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:36ami thought i saw obama
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:27am“Why dazzle them with substance when you can blind them with style?”
Okay, so you have a few dipdunks not waving at the dead guy as he rolls by. Big freaking deal. It is this kind of perception manipulation that usually precedes the collapse of a government…wait, aren’t we doing similar things?
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:19amCould just be the exposure, but the propaganda snow looks whiter and the fog looks like a mist instead of smog.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:31amreally should read the article………………………
Report Post »Ed Brown
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 8:43amSomehow, I’m prettty sure there is no smog in N. Korea.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 1:13pmRational, I did. I Know they removed the people that was the obvious part pointed to in the article but overall the “official photo” looks brighter and cleaner, thus my comment about the exposure.
Report Post »Eternal Lucy
Posted on December 29, 2011 at 6:19pmWhat I first noticed (besides the brighter resolution) was this: the second photo has a wider angle when it comes to the distant horizon (buildings). Every other reference point is the same. Cast your eyes especially at the righthand side of the big building, and then scan your eyes over to the righthand side of the picture .. the top third of the picture — on the right side. My initial thought (if the image WAS doctored) was that perhaps they wanted to “up-play” the size of the crowd. Or .. could the second image simply have been photographed with a wider angle-lens setting (for not particular reason at all)? I think it’s within the realm of possible to change this setting within a second or two. (but that doesn’t explain the missing people). Anyway, I think it’s quite likely they perhaps wanted to exaggerate the size of the crowd.
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