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Noam Chomsky Says Christian Right Supports Israel Because They Are Anti-Semitic and Want the Jewish Population to Be Exterminated by Armageddon
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john
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:14amHe’s coo coo for coco puffs
Report Post »El Pistoffo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:30amI couldn’t have sad it better
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:32amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.
Some Christian Zionists believe that the “ingathering” of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:36amNorm who?
Report Post »VegasGuy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:38amNever heard of the wacko.
Report Post »El Pistoffo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:43amI couldn’t have said it better. I guess I could have
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:48amhe can’t see beyond his own liberalism to seek the truth
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:04amLet me see if I get this guys right: Christ hate Israel by supporting Israel and the the Palestinians are good for Israel because they say they want to annihilate Israel? lol. Just goes to show how crazy progressives, communist, socialist are. lol
Report Post »LuvThisCntry
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:05amAlright, someone, no more games, give him back his meds!
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:07amWho is this dumb A? I guess everybody a right to speak but he does not speak for me, I am on the Christian Right.
Report Post »TxMom1
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:15amI think you summed him up quite nicely.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:33amWHO is this idiot??
Report Post »NES
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:51am@Bluefish49
“Norm who?”
Norm Chimpsky. He’s highly evolved. ;)
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:57am@JOHN …
Correct! My God they will try anything to put the “blame” for their anti-semitism on anyone else!
TEA!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:02pmYeah..that’s right Noam…as Christians who‘s foundation of their faith is the T’orah and who’s messiah (a Jewish term no less) was born among the Jews and who reiterated the T’orah thus making it normative to Christians- want to see harm come to Jews.
Report Post »Noam is exhibiting signs of dementia.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:23pmlol
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:24pmNoam Chomsky is a self-hating pathetic Jew.
Nobody cares what this Rip-Van-Senile says or does.
Report Post »Kalish
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:26pmJust goes to show you, no matter how high your IQ is, you can still be an idiot, and not be able to decipher a lie from the truth
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:29pmWho is this DING-BAT??
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:29pmChomsky’s stonewalling on the Bilderberg raises even more suspicions. Since 1954 the Bilderberg has served as the central brain of the New World Order, the major secret gathering for Globalist agents from across the globe. Bilderberg chairmen like Prince Bernhard and David Rockefeller have pushed for total global government, eugenics population control, engineering wars, and controlling the worldwide economy. Top politicians from America and Europe also undergo a grooming process at the Bilderberg. Bill Clinton went in 1991 as Rockefeller’s personal guest, and Tony Blair attended in 1993 before becoming Prime Minister. John Kerry attended in 2000, and John Edwards did two weeks before becoming the VP nominee in 2004.
Major members of the media, such as editors from the Economist, NY Times, Newsweek, Washington Post, US News and World Report are regular attendees. Yet they rarely, if ever, mention the proceedings, sworn to secrecy by their globalist masters.
Nevertheless in recent years, the truth has emerged. Major media outlets like the BBC admit the Bilderberg is planning for a one-world currency, bank, and army. Articles in Reuters and the Financial Times of London have admitted the existence of the Bilderberg, their grooming of politicians, and their secret plans for world governance. If these mainstream media reporters can admit the major role of the Bilderberg in shaping world affairs, why can’t Chomsky? Why is he holding back?
Similarly, how can Chomsky
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:31pmFederal Reserve
Similarly, while Chomsky bemoans the widespread poverty in America and the Third World, he has never spoken publicly on the role of the Federal Reserve. Therefore most Leftist activists are unaware of the role played by this privately owned bank cartel which prints worthless fiat currency out of thin air. Since its secret formation at Jekyll Island in 1910, and subsequent illegal passage during the Wilson administration, the Federal Reserve has held the American economy hostage: creating inflation and boom & bust cycles through managed money supply and interest rates.
Furthermore every dollar printed is merely debt charged to the federal government. Thus while it only costs 10 cents to print a $100 bill, the U.S. government fits the bill for the full $100 to the private Fed.
The creation of the Federal Reserve, owned largely by the Rockefeller, Morgan, and Rothschild interests has eluded the “radical” Chomsky. Furthermore he does not discuss the proven role of the Fed in creating recessions and depressions in order to purchase assets at a fraction of their value.
Chomsky ignores the role of the fiat currency system which drives down wages, inflates prices, and puts the American economy under the iron claw of a few elite families. Since the dollar is the base currency for worldwide trade and the current economic house of cards, shouldn’t these topics be discussed?
Perhaps Chomsky stays mute because a central bank fits into his ideology. After a
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:32pmhttp://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26sep05.shtml
Report Post »drbage
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:32pmHe must have gone to the Sheila Jackson-Lee School of Logic.
Report Post »NES
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:33pmIt’s interesting that “Noam” is pronounced the same way as the Korean word that was originally the lowest level word for “person” but in modern times can roughly be translated as “b@st@rd.” Coincidence? I’ll let you be the judge. ;)
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:59pmCheck every candidate that is running for president to see if he or she has attended Bildeberg meetings. Most have! As far as this jerk, he makes about as much sense as all the demented Liberals/Socialists and doesn’t deserve this much space on the Blaze. But, its perhaps good to know what they think so we can laugh at them even knowing they are dangerous and can influence the weak minded.
Report Post »jamesctheman
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:00pmWho’s the guy in the background that is worshipping every word out of his mouth? Is it his nurse attendant at the house & he is off camera working on Noam’s bunions? The fact people still find this man relevent to policy or to the Liberal cause is beyond me. Instead these old dinosaurs keeping popping out of the retirement community bus taking them to the store to spout this rambling crap. They can‘t explain it in a rational way so they’ve got to turn to conspiracy theories not even Jessie Ventura would believe.
Report Post »GroundZero is Nuclear Demolition x3
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:06pmSemitic- Of or relating to the Middle East, esp in language.
We blamed Iraq and Afgan (UBL) for taking down the twin towers, yet it was the port authority.
YES I SAY WE ARE THE MOST ANTI-SEMITIC COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
Report Post »micklaslavic
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:09pmwho is this guy? He is an incredibly influential academician on the far far left that has access to college students all over the country through his work. My history class decades ago would put his crap on the monitor for us to absorb as if it was unbiased an true and I went to a major state university in the Midwest while hes at MIT? He is a linguistics prof posing as a history prof or a social scientist for the masses of students that are forced to learn his propaganda as real history. He Howard Zinn ( died recently) and Cornel West are very popular lecturers or published academicians that have their work used by history, english and sociology departments all over the county as well as in all the victim studies programs. This guy is big and all the crazy students you see invading speeches by conservative or Republicans and shouting them down with inane irrational comments have gotten their ideas from this crank and his peers. Remember Ward Churchill….these two are big time pals. Noam is supposed to actually be an accomplished Linguistic prof though so he has some credibility.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:11pmLet me check my calendar—I could swear it was 2011, not 1984!
Report Post »Cyan1955
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:26pmAgreed.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:29pmDid he make it to kindergarten yet, or is he still in preschool?
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:45pmNoam Chomsky is a liar & every with a working brain knows it.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:54pm@John
Report Post »I wish that I had been the first to say that. LOL Other than that, this guy is a fool! Armageddon is going to happen regardless and we want to support Israel because these people are God’s chosen people and anyone that even claims to be Christian or to follow God can do no less than to support Israel. Anyone that doesn’t support Israel (I’m not talking about one certain person but Israel as a whole) can in no way honestly claim to be a Godly person and is lying if they do claim that. Also, there is a personal reason which is that God says that (whether anyone likes it or not):
”
Genesis 27:29 Let peoples serve you,
And nations bow down to you.
Be master over your brethren,
And let your mother’s sons bow down to you.
Cursed be everyone who curses you,
And blessed be those who bless you!” (NKJV)
Rev Kev
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:06pmYou can’t fix stupid :o(
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:30pmSo let me get this straight, the people who risked there own lives to save the Jews in Germany were more anti-semitic than Hitler and the Nazis?
Umm ok….
Report Post »lindarogina
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:34pmCrazy….Man>>>
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:04pmchomsky. once an idiot always an idiot.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:12pmMr Chompsky Sir, with all due respect. We Christians stand for Israel because God says ones standing for Israel will be blessed, and ones cursing Israel will be cursed. Romans 11:25 tells us that the Israels eyes will be blinded until the full number of Gentiles have come in. Then in Zech 12, the Lord pours out His Spirit of supplication and grace upon the nation of Israel, and every household will weep, realizng that they have pierced their own God. Then Jesus will Yeshua/Jesus will cleanse her land of all idolatry. So with all due respect Sir, we are not hoping for your destruction. You have been horribly misinformed.
Report Post »jkendal
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:14pmThe man (loose term) clearly is off his rocker and should be committed.
Report Post »bestartist
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:57pmNoam Chomsky is so irrelevant….other than a bunch of Old Lefties in Academia who cares what he says?
Report Post »As a Jewish person, Zionist I’d rather have Israel loving/supporting Christians by my side than my fellow Jews who support Obama and this Administration who won’t even recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel!
Drives Like Jehu
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:02pmThis is what happens when one spends eternities in academia and is “educated” well beyond one’s natural abilities.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:59pmThis is what happens when you have sheeple people who have stopped ears and blinders over their eyes from seeing and believing every word some man tells them instead of reading the Bible and actually having a relationship with God themselves.
Yes Pre Tribulation, Mid Tribulation, Post Tribulation theories believe Jews will be massacred and only a remnant will remain. If you believe these theories, you want them to happen or come true. Fact.
These theories need Jews to build a new Temple, so the Anti-Christ can rule 7 years from the Jewish Temple. If you believe these theories you want them to happen or come true.
Please do not insult someone who is clearly stating truthfully what so many believe not realizing it.
The Bible clearly states only those who believe in Jesus Christ will have eternal life. I stand with Jesus Christ and only those who believe in him. Israel today rejects Jesus.
If those not standing with Israel are anti-Semitic then those standing with Israel are Anti-Christ. You choose who you stand with, Jesus or Pharisee Jews.
I stand with Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:04pmHe is just another self hating Jew,like Soros. He is a Hezbollah sympathizer. My Lord,and Savior was a Jew,in HIs Human form through his mother Mary,and He was called Rabboni-Jewish Teacher.
Report Post »Naom needs an encounter with HIM,and I will pray he does!
VanGrungy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:19pmhttp://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,742079,00.html
To the International Congress of Religion at the Chicago World‘s Fair in 1893 went one Ibrahim George Khayru’llah to spread Baha’i in the U. S. Founder Baha‘u’llah had died the year before and his son Abdu’1-Baha (servant of Baha) had become Expounder & Promoter. Born in 1844 on the very day when the Bab was making his great prediction, Abdu’1-Baha began expounding and promoting late in life, but under his able leadership the faith gained world following. In 1912 he followed Ibrahim Khayru’llah to the U. S., spoke in churches, synagogs, D. A. R. meetings, visited the late William Jennings Bryan who pontificated: “The Baha’i movement is the only power able to revive the Islamic world.” Abdu’1-Baha, however, saw the movement serving a wider world. For Jews it could fulfill Old Testament and Talmudic prophecies; for Christians the visions of the Apocalypse; for Mohammedans the Redeemer, Imam-Mahdi.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,807188,00.html
Bahais think of their religion as an advance on all others because it encompasses them. They see all great religions and their founders as essentially one. They concentrate their own efforts not on individual salvation but on the achievement of universal peace. “We are one up on Christianity,” says white-haired Leroy loas (pronounced Iowaas), a retired Chicago railroad manager, who serves as secretary general of the international counci
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:56pmLOL. what a stretch. he’s on some good ****.
Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:19amThis guy has got to know that that is absolute garbage! Let those of us who believe in Christ and who love the Jewish people and SUPPORT Israel speak for ourselves!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 12:39amAnyone that follows Noam as one of their heroes is supremely retarded! This guy hates America so why should any of us care about anything he has to say? I guess the obvious answer is… Because we have a lot of supremely retarded people in this country that hate it as much as he does.
When are all those ‘haters of our country’, going to pack up and leave? Call me, I will volunteer to help them pack!
http://www.AllenWestforPresident.us
Report Post »doodad
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:00amOne of my textbooks in college sang the praises of this fool, so my spidey senses kicked in and I did research on this turd. As it turns out, my instincts were correct, that this man is a radical libtar*. Ergo, his stupid comment comes as no surprise.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:49amChristian right is the most anti-semetic in the world!??
ROFLMAO!!
This guy is a complete buffoon.
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:58amCrazy Khazar !http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHbi97GMCf0&feature=related
Report Post »ILUVJESUS
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:33amCould Mr. milk toast Commie study his subject for a minute or two before he makes such an outlandish statement?
Report Post »Proof that Christians are innocent of his accusation: we do not believe that there will be such a war will take place. There is a battle by that name but not a war. And oh, by the way Dummy, that battle doesn’t kill all of the Jews.
This blows his statement out of the water. By the way, most Christian love Jews and believe in Israel’s right to exsist.
AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:05pmAnother liberal Jewish fool. Big surprise.
Report Post »Salamander
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:17pmThere ya go–thinking with his foreskin!
Report Post »Spiritglogal
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 12:00amWoo- he must be God if he can look inside the hearts and know the hearts of EVERY Christian in the Right! But then, he broke the only remaining law in the universe – “Thou shalt not judge” – oh, but if he’s God, I guess he’s allowed, right? Or…? Hmmm… No, God is love, and he doesn‘t sound like he’s very loving, so I‘m going to go out on a limb and say he’s just being “judgeMENTAL.”
Report Post »stacie01872
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 1:18amI truly believe that we are in the last days, and that the Holy Spirit has placed a genuine love in the hearts of Christians towards our jewish brothers and sisters. i would literally lay down my life for my friends.Can we blame the jews for being suspicious? They have suffered greatly at the hands of so called christians for a couple thousand years now. If you google jewish timeline of persecution, it is astounding what they have suffered. The holocaust and the spanish inquisition were only tiny blips on the jewish history timeline. They would be crazy to trust us. It will take time, and lots of love and patience. But it’s time that they learned that this time they do not have to go it alone. That they have true friends in zionist christians. and not because we believe that their demise will usher in armeggedon. But because we love them with a Godly love. it’s time that we all started to reach out to them without any strings attached. I don’t believe in trying to convert jews. I believe only that we should love them because they were and are God’s chosen people.
Report Post »stacie01872
Posted on August 12, 2011 at 1:27amThis guy sounds like a typical liberal. the difference between american jews and israeli jews is that Israeli jews are mostly conservatives. They have to live with the horror and the reality that there is evil in the world. Liberal Jews, like the ones here in the states, don‘t understand the danger that Israeli’s face everyday, and they even seem to loathe their own heritage. Most of them are non-religious and hate everyone. That’s what liberalism is all about. Freedom of speech (if they agree with the speech), yada yada yada. They truly live in a reality of their own making. They think that their intellect is superior to that of backwoods conservatives and despise anyone who disagrees with their way of thinking. What this man said is vicious, but unfortunately he isn’t altogether wrong. Some churches here in the states are anti-Israel. Methodists and Episcopalians for example, believe in a spiritual interpretation of the bible. Not a literal interpretation. Which is why you have to go to harvard to understand their version of the bible. Or either be a rocket scientist to understand it. They do things such as boycott israel, make brave trips upon the “freedom flotillas”, so that they can pat themselves on the back for taking the sides of the poor misunderstood and mistreated terrorists who threaten the lives of Israeli’s everyday. It’s dispicable. This man lives in a false reality.
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:14amGnome Chompsky makes perfect sense… If you’re Barrack Insane Obama.
Report Post »ATRUTHDTECTOR
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:19pmFrom one DTECTOR to another, IRRELEVANT!
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:01pmif you believe in the rapture(i don’t) then chompsky is right. sorry crazies.
Report Post »psst
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:13amWon’t the Christian Right be also exterminated at Armageddon.Along w/ atheists, Hindus, Buddhists etc.
Report Post »Or is he saying God will exterminate only His Chosen people amd not Christians.?
Norm, ya old commie.. go away.
Isn’t the beliefs of communists is there is no God?
If there is no God as communist say , why do they believe in Armageddon?
Seems these people (communists) are like cats chasing their tails.
Jack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:31amFrom what I remember of those news shows I mentioned in an earlier comment, Evangelical Christians are only concerned with the Second Coming of Christ and yes many of them will die but they go to heaven so its alright.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:49amI think Noam has been reading the wrong religious book. In the Bible, God’s Chosen people are saved and taken to heaven after the final battle and after they are judged.
Report Post »AmericanSince1619
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:53amThis is the guy that make Chris Matthews other leg tingle.
Hey Naomsky, still denying/low balling the deaths at the hands of the communists after America pulled out of Vietnam? Gotta love those wackos who argue for something, then it turns out badly, then they deny they had any influence at all. Completely morally bankrupt.
Report Post »terriergal
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:17amNo, God (in Scripture) will save only those who believe in Christ, but even Christians disagree on whether or not they will go through the great tribulation. It has nothing to do with one’s nationality and nothing to do with hatred for the Jews, it has to do with God’s hatred of sin and unbelief. The Jews’ own Scriptures testifies of this.
But God is rich in mercy as well. Noam is ignorant of the fact that even his own Scriptures testify that God’s people are those of faith, not of bloodline.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:33pmPSST
Report Post »you need to look at this link
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/noamchomskygatekepper26sep05.shtml
myway
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:13amHe should visit Israel they would castrate him.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:16amI would not lose sleep over that!
Report Post »Conservative_Tongan
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:13amAre you kidding me? I usually don’t resort to name calling, but this man is the dumbest thing to walk the earth. When they can’t win the argument, they make up an argument that is based on no facts.
Report Post »What is more interesting is the man who is interviewing him. He says that there can be a settlement reached. Are you kidding me? The terrorist organizations have a decree to eliminate the state of Israel, and they think they can come to peace? I can see what he was taught in his below average public education. These fellows really need to do their research. Sometimes men want to see the whole world burn; that is the middle east.
El Pistoffo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:33am“When they can’t win the argument, they make up an argument that is based on no facts.”
No. In this case they make up an argument based on “a galaxy far, far way”.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:08am@ El Pistoffo
I must unfortunately rebuff your statement. In a galaxy far, far away, Emperor Palpatine and Lord Vader were evil. This guy is so bloody delusional he is incapable of systematic evil because he can’t think straight enough to make it work for a long term. I have no love for evil, but I do give credit where due, and Palpatine has his dues; this clownhat has no such accolades.
Report Post »moreteaplease
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:12amDo whaaa??? Where do they come up with this stuff? They’re really groping around in the dark with this kind of junk.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:23amThe scarier part is that these Loons actually believe the insanity that comes out of their mouths. Only Satan could get relatively intelligent people to speak such nonsense.
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:44amIt’s part of the plan…this time next year all media except Fox will do everything possible to convence the intitlement grabbing, un-educated masses to rise up against the Tea Party…gona get ugly.
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:37pmThey will say anything to justify their beliefs
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:11amI have seen several TV news shows over the years talking about Evangelical Christians giving money to Jews to relocate to Israel BECAUSE the bible said once they are there, all hell breaks loose and Jesus returns.
The reporters interviewed the newly arrived Jews in Israel whose transportation was paid for by Christians and the Israeli Jewish group member helping the newly arrived Jews get settled in and NONE of them cared WHY the Evangelical Christians were paying for the transportation because they said they did NOT believe what the Christians believed. To a one, all the Jews knew who/why their plane fare was paid for to Israel and they were just grateful to be there.
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:18amRemember all those TV commercials and/or short infomercials asking for donations to send a Jewish person from Russia or wherever to Israel?
They haven’t been on lately but there were everywhere a few years ago.
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:22amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.
Some Christian Zionists believe that the “ingathering” of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus.
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:40amI hapily gave to that good work. However I am NOT trying to speed Armageddon I just love the Jews.
Report Post »ALL my heroes are Jews. If you have ever seen a Jew find his/her kinsman redeemer you would have done the same.
Rational Man
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:08amJack2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:18am
Remember all those TV commercials and/or short infomercials asking for donations to send a Jewish person from Russia or wherever to Israel?
They haven’t been on lately but there were everywhere a few years ago.
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Maybe you have just missed all the pleas for help on TV for persecuted Jews around the world. I still see the infomercials from the ‘International Fellowship of Christians and Jews’ and others often.
They are humanitarian efforts, much like any other, to help needy people in many ways as much as they are for helping the Jews with ‘Aliyah’, the immigration of Jews to Israel. The ‘Jewish Voice’ is trying to get the last of the Ethiopian Jews settled in Israel.
People like to think that all of what Christians do for the Jewish people is just because of their prophetic beliefs. Not so! It is also because of the love of Christ in them for the poor, down trodden and persecuted in the world. Jews, among other things, just happen to fit that discription.
Report Post »Southern Rebel
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:13amWell, I only know a few ‘good christians’, but they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed. If they even bothered to seriously look at the prophecies about the Jews returning to the land; they‘d see that modern Israel doesn’t fullfill any of it; except for the fact they occupy a sliver of what originally was the ‘promised land’ and they’re called Israel.
Report Post »Most don‘t even realize the Star of David isnt’ even a jewish symbol in the first place; but don’t say this to them; they’ll label people like myself, ‘anti-semitic‘ when there’s no truth in that at all. Most are ignorant and just dumb ‘sheep’ bleating what their paid priesthood regurgitates for them.
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:15pmQ: after the Tribulation, after the AntiChrist, after the Rapture, after Armageddon, after the Second Coming, once the Eternal Reign of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ over the saved has begun: will there still be “Jews” in any meaningful sense of the word?
I for one don’t want to live in a world without Jews!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:20pm@Lloyd Drako
Heaven will be filled with “Jews” only. Understand Satan invented the word game just as we see politicians use it today to deceive, so does Satan.
Jew known of today are not Jews, they are Pharisees. They believe the teachings of the Pharisees, not the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Christian known of today are Jews as they believe in Jesus the Jewish Messiah and are adopted into Jesus’s family.
You may not want to live without those who reject Jesus the Jewish Messiah but I do. I want to live with the true Jews, those who believed Jesus was coming, believed when he came, and believe in him now.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:11amHe is absolutely right.
Report Post »Conservative_Tongan
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:18amHe’s absolutely right if there were no facts in the matter. He’s absolutely right if there were any indication at all that the Palestinians would want peace. He‘s absolutely right if Christianity weren’t christianity. He‘s absolutely right if he’s talking about Hitler. So if you throw out all the if’s, and just stick to the facts, his argument is wrong.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:23amOK – now tell us how he is right
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:33amYou are as goofy as he is….
Report Post »Dragline4600
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:36amAnother loon.
Report Post »WarriorPitbull
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:39amHow is he right? Please elaborate on how Christians should stop supporting Israel in order to support Israel? Only in a leftist deranged mind could that possibly make sense.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:04am@WarriorPitbull
Report Post »Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:39am
‘How is he right? Please elaborate on how Christians should stop supporting Israel in order to support Israel? ‘
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He is absolutely correct about the reasons that Christian Zionists support Israel (Armageddon predictions). He is also correct that the Christian Right in the US supports aggressive expansionism by Israel, as opposed to a negotiated settlement in which Israel would have to make compromises. Chomsky clearly stated in the interview that a negotiated peace deal and a stop to expanisionism is the only solution to the problem that will bring Israel security. He did not state that Christians should not support Israel–he stated that blindly supporting Israeli expanisonism because of end-of-the-world delusions is not conducive to peace in the region or to Israel’s long term well being.
zhq01
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:15amI had to read Chomsky’s trash in school and he is a loon! Everything that he preached in his books has been proven wrong time and time again. He seems to have become even more unstable and senile as he’s gotten older. What’s funny is that he still is covered by any media. He has been proven to be wrong and irrelevent time and time again. The only person still reading his rants is Hugo Chavez!
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:30am@zhq01
Report Post »Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:15am
‘I had to read Chomsky’s trash in school and he is a loon! Everything that he preached in his books has been proven wrong time and time again.’
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A loon all of whose ideas have been disproven? That’s strange — MIT still employes him as a Professor of Lingistics. Apparently, ‘Chomsky is well known in the academic and scientific community as one of the fathers of modern linguistics, and a major figure of analytic philosophy.’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky
llotus
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:43amBaikonur…..please explane rebels comment on the Star of David not being a Jewish symbol, since you agree with him…..and you are so intelligent. I know several highly intelligent professional Jews that may not know this. And may I add, sucessful Jews at that. Baikonur…..I wish you would lay off the put downs you do also. It realy makes you look like an ***whole……..but then perhaps you are. If not…you may be the only one that knows. Lotus.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:46am@Baikonur
What “expansionism”?….You mean building housing in neighborhoods for both Jews AND Muslims? You mean developing their own property?
Israel is just a small fraction of what she used to be and they are just trying to live in peace with what they have left and make the most of it. How you and the rest of the delusional left get “expantionism” out of that is very curious!….To say the least.
Especially after Israel gave up Gaza and the West Bank and the crazies, like Obama, want them to give up even more until Israel has indefensable borders with an insane people that want to kill them all.
Gotta feel sorry for people that try to drive home a made up point with no facts or basis for the point in the first place!
Just like the Palistinians are a ‘made up’ group of people who want to be recognized as a nation or state with the annihilation of Israel as their goal……… Delusional!
Palistine is a region or area of land that was inhabited by the Jews for thousands of years before someone ‘made up’ the Palistinian people. They are mostly Muslim outcasts that Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iran and others refuse to claim because it suits their desires and goal to destroy Israel.
There has never been a Palistinian state and will most likely never be one.
“Expansionism”……..what a joke of an argument!….Get YOUR facts straight………………
Christians support Israel because it is the right thing to do on every level……PERIOD!
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:05pm@llotus
Report Post »Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:43am
‘Baikonur…..please explane rebels comment on the Star of David not being a Jewish symbol, since you agree with him…..’
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I have no idea who or what you are talking about.
Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:27pm@Rational Man
‘Just like the Palistinians are a ‘made up’ group of people…’
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They are flesh and blood people, just like you and me. And regardless of what their land was called, or who ruled it, or what its boundaries where before Israel became a nation in 1948, they had lived in the same place for many, many generations and understandably consider this land their home. One cannot simply dismiss their legitimate human rights or pretened that they are somehow a ‘made up’ people. Call them what you will, but they are not going any place.
I absolutely agree that the Palestinian negotiators have been unreasonable and that the Palestinian educational system and much of the religious establishment promotes hatred and violence toward Jews. It is a very difficult situation.
But the reality of the matter is that Israel is so very tiny, and the Arab world that surrounds it is so vast and populous, that unless Israel reaches a peace agreement with all its neighbors, it will always live in a state of siege.
Report Post »Indymaverick
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:25pmGo away troll. I love troll swatting.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:02pm@ BAIKONUR
How is it you sound so smart, and so stupid at the very same time?
You must really hate Jews.
For some reason you have this undying love for palastinian Muslims who want nothing more than to saw the heads off of other people who don’t believe the way they do.
You are the hero of human garbage sir!
Report Post »Eyore
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:41pmThe Progressives want to rid the world of the chosen people because they want to rid the world of god
Report Post »Remember both Hitler and Stalin were Progressives
nysparkie
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:10amIs this for real. Christians want Gods chosen people to be eliminated? Does this I D I O T have a clue. What a DIP WAD. Someone give him a cup of Hemlock Tea.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:21amWe need to make a bunch of that hemlock tea to hand around :) lol
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:55amCareful, Steve McQueen might be reading this.
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:35amYeah, I could support a hemlock tea party.
Report Post »huck555
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amYeah, I buy the whole ARMAGEDDON thing. Only it’s the appearance of Christ to rule and reign that gets me excited. He chose Israel. I don’t know why but it seems important to Him, thus me.
Report Post »spiritwalk
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:21amGod chose Israel in the Old Covenant. They rebelled against Jehovah, rejected the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and God destroyed their temple and Old Covenant system to give way to the New Covenant. Christians, including every person from any nation on earth that God plans to save, are the elect people of God now. There are no more Jews or Gentiles like at the time of Christ. That’s what Christ came to do: to fulfill the Old Covenant, and inaugurate the New, where every true believer takes part. Christians today, very unfortunately, do not read and know the Scriptures. The Israel antion today is another nation on the face of the Earth. They are not the people of God anymore. They hate Christ. See for yourself.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:25amSPIRIT – Please read Romans 11
Report Post »Favored93
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:35am@spiritwalk
Report Post »You should read your bible.
Israel has a central role in God’s end time plan. And Israel IS the place God chose to put His name. He has and always will love those people. If you think He has rejected them because they rejected Him then He would have rejected you. You just like all who now call on the Name of the Lord were once His enemy but while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. If God rejects those who reject Him then there is no redemption. (That being said there is only ONE way to the Father and that is through Jesus but all at one time or another have rejected Him but He draws us back) No God has not rejected Israel. Christ died for them to ya know.
There will be a day soon I think were the Jews in mass will see their kinsman redeemer and the children of Isaac the son of Abraham will have their freedom. God will NEVER abandon Israel!!! EVER!!!!!!!!
techengineer11
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:03amFavored93: He certainly won’t ever abandon the true Israel of God, “The Church!”
Unfortunately John Hagee, Glenn Beck, and a few other Evangelicals have told many that if you worship Jews of the OT today, God will love you more. Some have just misinterpreted Scriptures; others such as Glenn Shalom Beck are simply paid shills. I believe Glenn may even have a little Jew in him.. Ever notice how he begins to foaming at the mouth when he starts talking about Gold?
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:23pm@TECHENGINEER11
Since when did Jesus, Who by the Spirit of Holiness, was openly designated the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead, cease being a Jew?
Since you are so well versed in scripture, try expalining away Romans 11:25-29
From Romans 11:25-29
“Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in our own conceits), I do not want you to miss this truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has temporarily befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved. As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion. He will banish ungodliness from Jacob. And this will be My covenant with them, when I shall take away their sins. From the point of view of the Gospel they are enemies, which is for your advantage and benefit. But from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of Divine selection) they are still the beloved (dear to Him) for the sake of their forefathers. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.”
And furthermore, the Jews will be the evangelists of Jesus in the Tribulation. Jesus always intended that salvation be of the Jews as Jesus is a Jew, Who paid the price for a new and better covenant. The Jews were never replaced If so Jesus would have to replace Himself and His first disciples. They are still the original olive tree. The original branches that can be grafted in. They will have the opportunity to see that their Messiah is Jesus.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:28pm@TECHENGINEER11
Since when did Jesus, Who by the Spirit of Holiness, was openly designated the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead, cease being a Jew?
Since you are so well versed in scripture, try explaining away Romans 11:25-29
From Romans 11:25-29
“Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in our own conceits), I do not want you to miss this truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has temporarily befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved. As it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion. He will banish ungodliness from Jacob. And this will be My covenant with them, when I shall take away their sins. From the point of view of the Gospel they are enemies, which is for your advantage and benefit. But from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of Divine selection) they are still the beloved (dear to Him) for the sake of their forefathers. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.”
And furthermore, the Jews will be the evangelists of Jesus in the Tribulation. Jesus always intended that salvation be of the Jews as Jesus is a Jew, Who paid the price for a new and better covenant. The Jews were never replaced If so Jesus would have to replace Himself and His first disciples. They are still the original olive tree. The original branches that can be grafted in. They will have the opportunity to see that their Messiah is Jesus.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:25pm@Dyna
Jesus did come from Zion. Jesus did take the sin away. Jesus did bring holiness to Israel. Do you not believe Jesus did these things? Yes or no?
Jacob became who once believing in God? ISRAEL
Judaism, belief in God, was belief in coming Messiah. (Jesus)
Tree of Romans 11
Roots: Abraham, Jacob
Base: Moses, David
Natural Branches: Judaism before Jesus
Grafted branches: Believers in Jesus after Christ
Broken Branches on Ground: Those rejecting Jesus practicing Judaism today.
If Pharisee Jews of today are “divinely” saved why is Paul going to “try and save” some here in Romans 11?
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. (Romans 11:14 KJV)
What your teaching is false. It may be hard to hear this truth but it’s truth. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ as the Messiah and God is not of God and will perish. No exceptions.
The mystery spoke of in Romans was how Gentiles suddenly were allowed to be saved and if Jews were not allowed. The answer ALL can be saved thru Jesus and Jesus ONLY. The Jewish Messiah.
You believe there is an exception for the Pharisees, a lie. I am a Jew thru belief in Jesus Christ. I am adopted by him. Those rejecting him are broken off and burnt with hellfire. Pretty simple.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:42pm@Okie from Muskogee
Report Post »‘Broken Branches on Ground: Those rejecting Jesus practicing Judaism today. It may be hard to hear this truth but it’s truth. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ as the Messiah and God is not of God and will perish. No exceptions. ‘
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That has always been how I understood end of world Christian beliefs as well. This is exactly what Noam Chomsky is talking about.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:49pm@Dyna
Speaking to Pharisees and Priests (Jews)
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matthew 21:42-44 KJV)
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:38-39 KJV)
Speaking to Christians
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. (1 2:9-10 KJV)
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:08pm@Dyna
I hope you see and hear that your teachings are opposite of Jesus Christ’s and by supporting/encouraging Jews to reject Jesus Christ your leading them to Satan.
Every blessing is given with a curse. If you honestly read your Bible you can clearly see the rejection of Jesus Christ by the Jews brought a curse upon them and their land. Jesus made Jerusalem desolate, trodden by Gentiles, ended sacrifice and obligation and had the Temple destroyed. Christ and his Word said all these would occur and all have.
Christian Zionists, disregarding everything that God said and did, are obsessed and consumed as they vainly pull out all stops to build here on earth a modern-day Jewish version of “Sodom and Egypt” as seen currently in Jerusalem.
Working and teaching against what Jesus Christ did and taught is anti-Christ.
I stand with Jesus Christ.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:29pmFavored 93 you are absolutely right. The reason God chose Israel is because they were the only ones to accept His laws. It was because of Israel that we are have access to those laws and that Jesus’s being born into humanity as a Jew who lived without sin and paid for our very lives with His own, rose on the third day and gave the gift of His Holy Spirit to all who would accept Him and be in obedience to His laws . That is why we are called Spitual Israel. Paul, who might be called the greatest apostle aside from Jesus Himself, was one of the ones trained for the priesthood. Paul was one of the “blinded” jews persecuting and killing Christians until Jesus “in Spirit literally knocked him off his horse and literally blinded him so as to Spiritually open his eyes. Tech… go back to Lieberman..I left you a post.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:34pm@Baikonur
It is the only way to understand it. All other ways make zero sense if one actually thinks about what they are saying.
Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the God, and the Deliverer from Zion who cleanse all sin and brought true Godliness to Israel. Only those preaching a weak Jesus or disbelief in Jesus say otherwise.
As for Noam Comsky I can’t really say why he is saying these things. Could be political who knows. One thing I will say is he is correct in his assessment in regards to end time beliefs for a major portion of American “Churches” in regards to the Jews. Those believing these beliefs don’t even realize themselves what they believe, basically, they are lost in deception and manipulation. Herd the masses right?
I stand with Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:29pmIf the Jews/Israel have rejected God’s means for salvation, Jesus, the Christ (anointed one), then why do many here think God is still accepting them as his people?
No one can come to the father aside from Jesus Christ. – John 3:36
Did not the nation of Israel/Judah reject Jesus, thus breaking the covenant they had with the True God Jehovah? Yes they did and that is why Jesus told them in Matthew 23:37-39 that their “house” is abandoned to them. They no longer could claim they were God‘s people unless they individually would accept God’s anointed one.
So, Israel is just like any other nation before God. They cannot claim special favor.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:20pmThis is what the apostle Paul said to the Jewish nation, and speaking to the Pharisees in particular he said:
Acts 13:44 The next sabbath nearly all the city gathered together to hear the word of Jehovah. 45 When the Jews got sight of the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began blasphemously contradicting the things being spoken by Paul. 46 And so, talking with boldness, Paul and Bar´na·bas said: “It was necessary for the word of God to be spoken first to YOU. Since YOU are thrusting it away from YOU and do not judge yourselves worthy of everlasting life, look! we turn to the nations. 47 In fact, Jehovah has laid commandment upon us in these words, ‘I have appointed you as a light of nations, for you to be a salvation to the extremity of the earth.’”
Now the spiritual nation of Israel (the Christian Congregation) is the Israel that the Greek scriptures (new testament) is talking about.
The capitalized “YOU” in these scriptures indicate the whole nation, not just the Pharisees.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:44pm@OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE. (By the way, my younger brother loves this song)
Jesus did take the sin away. Jesus did bring holiness to Israel. Do you not believe Jesus did these things?
Yes, Jesus did all this.
I never said all Jews are divinely saved anymore than somebody who thinks they are a Christian because of their church affiliation is saved. But unlike those who adhere to replacement theology, I do know that the Jews have NOT been divinely rejected.
I’m not going to get in the way of Gods plans for the nation of Israel and the Jews by the false teaching of replacement theology. I am not going to be a curse to them. In fact I will bless them. I am not going to be influenced by the god of this world, satan, in trying to destroy them and get in the way of Gods promise of restoring Israel for the second coming of Jesus. By then the Jews, at least those who reverentially seek God, will have the opportunity to know that their Messiah is Jesus. This will be soon.
Romans 11:23-25
And even those others [the fallen branches, the Jews], if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and against nature grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier will it be to graft these natural branches back on their own olive tree. Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in our own conceits), I do not want you to miss this truth and mystery, brethren: a
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Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:50pm@OKIE continued
For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and against nature grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much easier will it be to graft these natural branches back on their own olive tree. Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in our own conceits), I do not want you to miss this truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has TEMPORARILY befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.
……………….from the point of view of God’s choice (of election, of Divine selection) THEY ARE STILL THE BELOVED (dear to Him) FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR FOREFATHERS. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.”
Jesus came to save the Jews first and then the gentiles through the Jews. Just as Gods callings are without repentance, He never planned for the elimination of the nation of Israel. God has recalled the nation of Israel. This did not happen by chance.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:01pmYes, all people of all nations can be grafted onto the cultivated olive tree. And Jews that once rejected our Lord and Saviour can be re-grafted onto that tree also. Our God is so wonderful. By means of Abraham’s seed, ALL nations will bless themselves.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:02pm@BearFoot
I agree with all but one point, the Pharisees, but I think we still agree in the end.
You are what you believe. You believe from teaching. “Jews” at the time believed the Pharisees over Jesus, thus making them Pharisee. Jews today believe Pharisees over Jesus, making them Pharisees.
Judaism teached of a coming Messiah. The Pharisees and those believing as them rejected Jesus thus rejecting true Judaism.
Your right the YOU was the whole Nation and the reason for turning from them was because they didn‘t embrace true Judaism and it’s Messiah, they followed the Pharisees instead thus making them Pharisees.
Baptism of Christ to Crucifixtion 3 1/2 years
Crucifixtion to Stoning of Stephen 3 1/2 years Gentiles preached to.
Jesus made a covenant with many before Crucifixtion.
Jesus ended offerings and obligation, he was last sacrifice
Jesus allows all to be saved and made Jerusalem desolut until the end of the Gentiles.
Why do so many try and fight against God’s work and Word? Do they not know whose work they are really doing? Saddening.
I stand with Jesus Christ and only those standing with Him.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:19pm@Dyna
What is the requirement for these broken off branches to be grafted BACK on? Let us look:
And even those others [the fallen branches, the Jews], if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
“If they DO NOT PERSIST IN THEIR UNBELIEF, will be grafted back in”
They have to leave the teachings of the Pharisees, rejection of Jesus, and accept Jesus as Christ. Clearly says just that.
The argument, the mystery Paul used a whole chapter to explain is how salvation went from Jew only to include Gentiles.
Can Jews be saved? Yes thru Jesus
Did God stop Jew salvation? No it’s obtained thru Jesus
Is Jew only saved? No thru belief in Jesus Jews are saved and believers should encourage Jews to follow Jesus.
This was the mystery. This is clearly what Paul is explaining.
Again without distracting, if Paul believed Jews would be saved why is Paul going to try and save some?
Your belief makes no sense on a bigger picture and actually contradicts itself.
Does the Bible tell you to stand with rejectors of Jesus? No the opposite
Does the Bible say you can reject Jesus and be saved? No the opposite
Does the Bible say earthly Israel or a Temple is needed by Jesus? No the opposite.
Wake up Dyna. Either stand with Jesus or stand with his rejectors. Quit trying to ride the fence and be both. A fence sitter is detested most.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:37pm@Dyna
Do you not believe Gentiles can be saved, yes or no? If so is this a new covenant?
If you believe Jesus did come from Zion, Jesus did take the sin away, Jesus did bring holiness to Israel, then you believe Jesus fulfilled the Covenant? Without knowing it you also believe Jesus fulfilled all of Daniel 9:26-27 most tribulationists believe hasn’t happened and say is the anti-Christ. Might take a look see yourself.
Replacement theology is belief in a new covenant that replaces the old covenant.
Jesus fulfilled the Covenant. He kept his Word, fulfilled it to the letter. Jesus’s direct family, Jews, did not keep their end, rejected him and knew him not. In the Bible every blessing, standing with God, comes with a curse, standing against God.
Is Jeremiah 25 a new covenant? Did Jesus make a covenant with the disciples?
I do not believe one replaces another. I believe the covenant was fulfilled thru Jesus. The Covenant is stilled fulfilled thru belief in Jesus except now all can be saved, not just Jew.
Jews call Christians replacements because Gentiles believe they “took” or “replaced” them and their blessing.
I stand with Jesus Christ and this who stand with him.
Who do you stand with, Jesus, or this who reject him?
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:19am@OKIE.
Look closely at Romans 11-25
“….a hardening (insensibility) has temporarily befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the Gentiles has come in…”
As you can see this hardening to the Gospel is temporary, and only pertained to a part of Israel. Makes sense when the earliest Christians were Jews and their has been Christian Jews since then.
1. Okie, you stated, “The argument, the mystery Paul used a whole chapter to explain is how salvation went from Jew only to include Gentiles.”
2. Then you stated, “Can Jews be saved? Yes thru Jesus
Did God stop Jew salvation? No it’s obtained thru Jesus
Is Jew only saved? No thru belief in Jesus Jews are saved and believers should encourage Jews to follow Jesus. This was the mystery. This is clearly what Paul is explaining.”
The error in points 1& 2 is your definition of the mystery. There was nothing mysterious to the church at that time about the gentiles also having access to salvation through faith in Jesus the Christ as Lord and Saviour. The mystery was that a ” ..hardening or insensibility..“ to the Gospel ”…. has temporarily befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.” This mystery was prophetically revealed to the church through Paul about the future of Israel. The time for the manifestation of this is very close.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:24am@OKIE continued
The error in points 1& 2 is your definition of the mystery. There was nothing mysterious to the church at that time about the gentiles also having access to salvation through faith in Jesus the Christ as Lord and Saviour. The mystery was that a ” ..hardening or insensibility..“ to the Gospel ”…. has temporarily befallen a part of Israel until the full number of the in gathering of the gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.” This mystery was prophetically revealed to the church through Paul about the future of Israel. The time for the manifestation of this is very close. Note that only part of Israel has rejected Jesus and this hardening or insensibility to Jesus as the Messiah is only temporary.
God is reestablishing the nation of Israel for the Jews and for the sake of their forefathers.
Romans 11:28 -The Jews are still the beloved(dear to Him).
If you are truly standing with Jesus you should not be standing against Israel. The Jews will know their Messiah and will know He is Jesus.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:53am@Dyna
Your grasping for straws and are incorrect. The Gospel Jew’s hearts hardened against was Jesus and belief Jesus saves all. They reject their own belief of Judaism, the coming Messiah, and by doing so, for Gentiles sake, allowed Gentiles to be saved. For their fathers sake God hasn’t just destroyed them, he kept them in favor, and allows them salvation thru Jesus as well.
The mystery was why Jews hardened their heart (rejection of Jesus aka Gospel) and how this allowed Gentiles to be saved. This is why we have a tree diagram by Paul. This is why Paul says Jews aren’t done away with since he is ethnic Jew. This is why Paul says Jews are enemies for Gentiles sake. There was a big mystery of the transfer from Jew only to Gentile inclusion and why Jews rejected Jesus, their own beliefs Messiah.
Do you believe Jews will have eternal life while rejecting Jesus as Christ?
How and when do Jews begin believing in Jesus in your end times understanding? Maybe I will understand better if you clearly articulate this part.
I do not have to stand with physical Israel. That is not part of my salvation requirements. Are you suggesting it is?
Which Israel should I stand with? The small Israel today or the Israel of the Bible including Jordan and other Muslim countries? Was God not strong enough to restore Israel back to her borders he gave her? What about Jerusalem which is divided?
I stand with Jesus and believers of Him. You stand with who that beli
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amWow. Leftists are losing their minds. They‘ve been getting away with lying and thinking we couldn’t see through those lies for so long that they think they can say anything and we’ll just buy it. Even when it makes no sense.
Report Post »MoonPie
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amReally Norm? A true Christian is a supporter of Isreal, Jesus was a Jew and that makes ALL Christians supporters and protectors of Isreal!
Report Post »spiritwalk
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:27amBs
Report Post »llotus
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:28amMoonpie……..Yow. Lotus.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:43pmNot people like “Spiritwalk”, who will have a big surprise when it’s all said and done.
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amHe perverts the truth to further his own agenda. The old man needs to fade away, and fade away quickly.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:17amI’d be happy as a clam if he had a massive stroke/coronary. Either way works for me.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amuuuuuu, wha????
Report Post »jtm
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:15pmightunite, why would you wish death on somebody just because you disagree with him? Is he a danger to you?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:09amSo is this clown (sorry bozo) saying that in order to show our support for Israel we shouldn’t support them?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:36amThat is what he said………..
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:40amHe said that, to improve safety in the region (and thus, the safety of Israel), we should stop paying for their expansionist policies. If you keep encroaching on foreign soil, you don’t make friends with the people whose land you steal. Imagine that.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:26pmGlobal warming makes it colder,
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You end racial injustice by granting special privileges to one race,
You call the religion that is fighting everyone all over the world The Religion Of Peace,
And now you’re antisemetic if you support the Jews.
Anyone this makes sense to is insane. Must be The End Times. Goody.
starman70
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:25pm@ SREGN:
You hit the mark! You have laid out the leftist, liberal agenda to a tee! It‘s too bad that there are so many people in America who don’t understand what is really happening.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:07amIf the hypocrisy is not OBVIOUS – we are dealing with morons of the highest order.
Report Post »Julie2010
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:07amThis guy is void of facts.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:07amThat’s just about the looniest thing I have ever heard. We support Israel because God supports Israel.
Report Post »carbonyes
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:31pmAmen, Gonzo!
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:58pmMake that a double Amen, and a Halleluja with oak leaf clusters.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:06amNoam’s major problem seems to be his deficient grasp of scripture. He fails when it comes to Revelation. He needs to digest that a bit better before he goes spouting off as though he actually knows what people are thinking. It would do him well to set aside all grandiose thoughts that he posseses a gift of clarvoyance.
Report Post »Erabin
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:43amNope, he’s right. I’ve read/heard the argument of bringing all Jews to Israel so the end times can begin many times before,on this very site even. Remember: HE is not the one making that assertion, he is calling out the people who do.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:03pmErabin – You think the end times is a bad thing? I’m kind of looking forward to it myself. Get right with God through his son while you still can. One day, maybe tomorrow at 6:17 AM, it will be too late.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:53pmNo Erabin, he is wrong. Read up on the 12,000 from each tribe in Revelation, and what they are to do during the tribulation. What is the purpose for the mark placed on each of them?
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:06amnoam is a progressive idiot…he cant possibly understand christians or christianity…jesus may love you noam…but your an idiot…lol
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:05amThis is what you get when the doors to the asylum are thrown open….
Report Post »RocktheCasbah
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:05amReally? It seems these days people can say whatever ludicrous thoughts that come to their minds. Unfortunately, people still report their tripe giving alleged credence.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:05amok I know I have a screaming headache this morning and am a bit slow because of it….but does that make any sense?? Am I missing something?
Report Post »Redscot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 2:16pmNope, the guy needs to get a brain. I have a concussion and though my brain is foggy, he still comes up as a looney-tune. I went through his (so-called) reasoning several times and got a worse headache. Not even on pain pills would the guy make sense. He is like the Scarecrow, he only needs a brain. What bothers me is that some people believe him.
Report Post »Volsense
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:05amChomsky is just another raving loon liberal reinforcing liberalism is a progressive mental disorder and he is in the latter stages. They are everywhere. Wake up and see liberal loons exposing their intellectual bankruptcy every day, every hour.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:11amThis guy is not just a leftist, he is one of the big heroes of the left. Unbelievable.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:49amHe is pro Libertarian-socialism
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 12:02pmREPUBLICORP – His views are nowhere near Libertarian.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 1:44pmChomsky is further proof that satan exists in that satan is not only the father of lies, but the father of liars.
Report Post »gramma b
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:01amIn “The Secret Knowledge,” David Mamet says the Left is twisting itself in knots trying to defend its indefensible positions. Here is Exhibit A.
Report Post »RocktheCasbah
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 10:08amAgree
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