North Arizona University Halts Students Distributing Flags for 9/11
- Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:10pm by
Billy Hallowell
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What started out as a patriotic gesture intended to remember the nearly 3,000 lives lost on September 11, 2001, ended up becoming a major verbal scuffle that one North Arizona University student calls “a free speech violation.”
The incident, which has likely evolved into something much larger than either side originally anticipated, occurred when students were passing out American flags on their public university campus last Friday. The Arizona Daily Sun shares more about the commemorative activity:
The NAU students were among students at more than 270 colleges and high schools participating in the “9/11: Never Forget Project,” which is endorsed by the conservative Young America’s Foundation. The University of Arizona also held an event, according to the YAF’s website.
In explaining her motivation for holding the initiative, student and Leadership Institute campus representative Stephanee Freer said, ”9/11 is very important to me. That’s why I do the event. Every year, I do something for 9/11 and it’s never been disrupted like this.“ The ”disruption” she mentions unfolded as follows:
During the distribution, four university officials and a police officer approached the group and told the students that they would need to move their activities to a different locality. According to campus staff, the students were hindering foot traffic and they did not have a permit to be operating inside of the school. The students, feeling as though they were within their rights, didn’t react to this request very favorably.
While they were initially outside of the school distributing flags, pins and bumper stickers, rain caused them to head inside (a fact they mentioned when staff suggested they head back outdoors). According to school policy, a permit is needed for groups to hold events inside. Apparently permission is easily granted, but university personnel were adamant about the fact that these students hadn’t followed the proper procedures.
Adding an interesting twist into the story is the fact that Freer caught the entire incident on video. Throughout the footage (above), university staff can be seen telling the group to go outside, to go and get a permit or to move their activities to the the other end of the building. When a coordinator from the university’s Office of Student Life approached the group, Freer can be heard saying:
“This is for 9/11. Do you want to shut down our 9/11 table? Are you unpatriotic?”
Throughout the video, the dialogue between all parties is uncomfortable at best. Freer, a conservative who has been active on campus, believes that she was targeted over her political views. She explains:
“I wasn’t waiting for an incident. I wasn’t looking for an incident. This was really about 9/11 and it turned into a free speech violation.”
College personnel, though, deny that this is a free speech issue. Tom Bauer, a spokesman for the university, says that the students were asked to move because of traffic concerns:
“I don’t think that this is a freedom of speech issue. We were not asking them to be quiet. We were not asking them to leave. We were asking them to move to a different location within the same area. This is basically clearing the walkways.”
In the end, the students didn’t violate any laws and they had no further interaction with the police officer. But they have since been summonsed by the university’s administration. While they will not be punished over the incident, officials claim that they’d like to speak further with them.
Some will clearly sympathize with the students here, while others will contend that the students simply weren’t following the rules. What do you think. Were the students’ First Amendment rights trampled upon?
(h/t AZ Daily Sun)
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Comments (229)
west1890
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:48pmLast year NAU had Van Jones as a speaker:
http://www4.nau.edu/insidenau/bumps/2010/3_10_10/provost.htm
I’m thoroughly ashamed of being an alumni of NAU. I’m going to turn in my NAU Arizona license plate and get the plain old Arizona plate. Enough of their liberal BS.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:52pmGood for you West. If it were me, I’d do the same.
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:59pmYou should turn in your degree also, if you got one. Are they even accredited?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:25pmVan Jones was here last year? God Above no wonder NAU is so utterly messed up.
Report Post »SHOESHINEBOY
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:28pmNAU..ASU..UofA… all the same…and I live here in AZ..and am proud to say..I did not go to any of the associated universitys of their “Main University” : The Communist University of the Toilers of the East or KUTV (Russian: Коммунистический университет трудящихся Востока or КУТВ; also known as the Far East University) was established April 21, 1921, in Moscow by the Communist International (Comintern) as a training college for communist cadres in the colonial world.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:48pmThe students were on school grounds, the school has set up a procedure to obtain a permit, like nearly every other university when dealing with student groups. If this was a liberal group the Blazers would be up in arms about them seeking special treatment and how they are acting as if the rules don’t apply to them.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:49pmJust one more Progressive school I wont send my kids to.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:50pmLiberal garbage morons, but it is in wet backe country so it would have been ok to have the mex flag or muslim infidel table…..if you know anyone who goes there or has a child that goes there get them away from this pos excuse for a school
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:05pmGOOD GRIEF!!! OUR colleges should be FOSTERING PATRIOTISM. THIS Is not just “another permit”…this is more evidence of how corrupted with COMMUNISM and ANTI-PATRIOTISM our schools have become…..
THEY ARE SUCH DOPES…. they have a TAX paid for job …. (parental tuition as well) and they DARE to stop any action of PATRIOTISM? THEIR day is coming. THERE IS NO WAY to sustain our FREEDOM when these “ANTI-FREEDOM fools use our freedom to destroy freedom”
THE LINE IS DRAWN when Schools work against our COUNTRY…and ENCINO…whatever… IF Liberals wanted to send out FLAGS, we would applaud them. IF they wanted to spread communism then we’d be there to counter them. I don’t think you get it. THE GIG IS UP.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:18pmthe unpatriotic encinom
I now actually think you made up the story you lost co workers in the toers. I don‘t think you’ve ever been to NYC and even in the WTC. If you hadn’t made it up, you wouldn’t be bashing the 9/1 folks distributing flags no matter where on school property.
The commie Van Jones is allowed to go any place he wants, but you want to deny your opponents their Constitutional rights. To hell with the university and their unlawful rules. I’d demand my money back, and I’d get it too.
They could have allowed these people there, and to hell with the foot traffic. It’s all over anyways, so what the hell is the difference.
Report Post »db321
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:51pmNext Month I hear NAU will be hosting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Parents if your kids are going there get them out now. If you a contributor – cut them off.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:13pmI knew when I clicked to vote for the middle one in that they needed to follow the rules (which many here at the Blaze normally advocate) that I would find that I would be out voted by the first response. Most of you picked that response due to political views and did not much consider the rules in the matter…just threw that right to the side. Our rights trump everything right? Thats why we are in the mess we are in today. Everyone should follow the rules no matter what the polictical views are. If it was easy to get the permit, then why didn’t they just do it as Nike sez. Think maybe they were worried it would get kicked back? No doubt, so they went ahead anyways and F with the rules. Great!!!!
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 8:25pmThese two students are lucky the COPS didn’t shoot them dead for opposing the black administrator. If they had been handing out red, white, and blue condoms, nothing would have been said. I am sure that now that the students have been identified, their names will be sent around to the faculty for classroom retaliation. Those two students will loose their college scholarships.
I could hear the TEA boiling in the background.
Report Post »chris3
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:38pmHOW can we have such a lack of truth here? if they were in violation of a rule then…come on we can‘t have it both ways that’s the lib’s way!
Report Post »copperstatekid
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:21pmI‘m an Arizona resident and I’m ashamed that Northern Arizona University (NAU) in Flagstaff, Arizona is turning into “Flag-Staff-A-Ghan”! This is an outrage! Sadly, even though many think of Arizona as a totally conservative state, we do have our fair share of commies/marxists, Mexi-Fascist Reconquista groups, such as the Brown Berets, La Raza Unida, and others whom advocate giving Arizona and other southwestern lands back to Mexico (Mexi-stin-ians?), and have aligned themselves with the “Palenstinian Struggle”. After all, the USA stole the lands from Mexico,according to them! This has a familiar ring to Israel, doesn’t it? Don’t believe me? Google and check out La Voz de Aztlan and what you’ll find is chilling. They even basically state that if you send them an email that doesn’t agree with their agenda, you’ll regret it.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:22pmMe and the CHIEF smokin the same pow-wow pipe.
Report Post »If the school does indeed have these regulations they should have obtained them prior.
You can’t break rules claiming YOUR RIGHTS.
90% of the poeple on this site complain when the “left” does this.
I’m all for handing out the flags…. just abide by the law, and if not then don’t complain when another does as you do!
Uranium Wedge
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:47pmLooks like both sides where being little b!tches
Report Post »Oldtimer2
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:07amVan Jones at NAU!!! Oh my gosh! I grew up in Flag and went to NAU too. These liberal nit wits have totally disgraced the legacy of Dr Walkup. He was a good decent man and there was a time before he retired that NAU was a very conservative school. He was a Christian man and many of the professors were also Christians and pastors. I grew up with them and as a child they were my grade school teachers (AZ State College Elementary on campus) and my Sunday school teachers. He would have helped the students pass out the flags and as for the administration nit wits in the video, they would have been immediately fired and Van Jones would have NEVER been allowed to set foot on that campus. By the time my son graduated, the campus was totally run by liberal hacks. I didn’t think it could get worse than it was then, but I guess I was wrong. The quality of the university started going downhill when he retired from the board and the older professors and deans either retired or passed away. By the early 90′s it was pretty much crap. It only took them about 10 years to destroy what it took Dr Walkup and a handful of good men and women a lifetime to build. This really makes me sad…but I‘m proud of those young people stood their ground and didn’t buckle under to the pressure.to bow to the current liberal academic regime.. I would have told that last lady what she could do with her “time, place and manner” pc liberal crap..
Report Post »young conservative
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:50amyeah man that’s awesome!
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:52amI hope a lot of people will give this school a taste of FREE SPEECH the all American way… Loud and Proud!
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 3:33amLeftists have always had a deep hatred of AMERICA.
Report Post »Why , i do not know. From hollywood to academia to
Democrats in congress. Deep hatred of AMERICA.
kinda sad.
americangirl
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 4:46amI also am an alumni from NAU and I am ashamed as well. I liked the school very much, but to find out it has turned out this way is unbelievable. I didn’t even know that Van Jones spoke there. Thanks for posting about that. At least now I know what they are all about now.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 8:34amAll the Universities in AZ have been a hot bed for communists for 40 years. It started that way in the late 60′s when I was on the faculty at the UA. I was in the sciences and it wasn’t too bad there, but in the liberal arts, education and fine arts it was a mess. Welcome back, Snow, missed you.
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 8:35amSeems like a simple request; go get a quick, easy to obtain, permit. Encinom has a point this time. I wouldn’t want any liberal group to just set up shop anywhere they want, and as a conservative, I‘ve often heard my fellow conservatives whine about how this or that liberal group should ’follow the law‘ or ’follow the rules.’ Well it applies to both, or you’re no better than the other side.
And Patty Henry saying, “OUR colleges should be FOSTERING PATRIOTISM,” is dead wrong. Their job is to educate, period. Not foster patriotism, foster conservatism, foster marxism, or anything else. Their job is to educate. If the students want to advocate those things, fine, they have the right, within the rules of the university. But the faculty, staff, administration, should be there to educate and facilitate just that. Period.
I’m about as conservative as they come, and I don‘t like the student’s questioning the cops‘ and faculty member’s patriotism for asking them to follow the damned rules. That student asking, “This is for 9/11. Do you want to shut down our 9/11 table? Are you unpatriotic?” really makes me angry, just as it does when a liberal says the same kinda thing.
I love what the students were doing, but I won’t be a band-wagon conservative just because I like the cause. Rules should be applied evenly to all. Isn’t that what conservatives always say they want when things like Affirmative Action come up in discussion?
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 9:22amChief-
Here is the problem with the school’s argument. They changed their position 4 times. That to me, and most people still using common sense today, indicates that the real reason was not about some form needing to be filled out. The other issue is the school calling law enforcement to complain about an angry-mob! Two people handing out flags on a Sunday does not constitute an angry mob. I am all for rules too as long as that is really the reason the school took issue. BUT- these kids were not in the way from I could tell of the video, they were not angry, and it was on a day that classes are not normally held.
Question? Had one of the students left the area to go and fill out a form would you still hold the same position that you have if school administrators still came back and told them they would have to move for some other trumped-up reason?
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 10:35amI for one am damn tired of these anti-American pro sectular globalist trying to control thought by banishing and limiting the message of American exceptionalism and the greatness of our founders experiment.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 11:17am@MHP
@encinom has been stirring up trouble on here for the longest time with progressive, liberal nonsense. Twisting words to create false truths and constant displaying hypocrisies. There is another one out there that goes by the name @FACTS. That creature also claimed he lost people during the Terrorist Attacks of 9/11/01 but spent all day Sunday bashing Glenn Beck and spewing lies. What away to honor your so called “losses”. >.<
Report Post »ME
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 11:26am“No way. The students weren’t following the rules.”
Thats funny, I am sure the “rules” are selectively enforced as are most in this country of “rules” Please if you still buy that. I have a bridge… No really I do LOL
Report Post »Silly goose, rules are to make sure whites, Christians, conservatives and the like all stay in the back of the bus.
91AP
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:43pmNAU class of ‘76 Police Science & Administration.
Report Post »Is this Campus Cub Scout an alum? What’s his degree in? Has that guy read the Constitution?
Let’s have a big campus-wide debate on this.
PuuChuu
Posted on September 15, 2011 at 12:35amHahah, seriously? You people are all crazy to be complaining about this.
Every building in every state that is full of public people has laws that govern how assemblies happen. It’s not just a “Hey guys, let’s go stand around and hand flags out to people” kind of thing. If there were no laws, buildings could potentially be filled with anyone for any reason. Want to set up a guitar, play really loud songs? Go right ahead. Want to hand out flags? Go right ahead, next to guitar guy. Are you homeless? Go ask for change next to the flag people. Start up a homeless camp, it’s your right, right? This is what would happen without these building codes & school rules. Every college student has a voice, give them a place to complain, and they’ll do it.
Also, it’s monsoon season here in Arizona. These people should have grasped the concept of weather (we kind of have the internet here), and if you ask me, they left their post because of a little rain, which isn’t very patriotic. The Guard of the Tomb of Unknown Soldier didn’t budge in a HURRICANE, I see that as inspiration for a true patriot.
Lastly, they were given the option to move to an open area that still got foot traffic, so they would have gotten their message across, regardless. Starting a debacle was pointless.
But instead of relying on logic, lets just blindly accuse the school of communism. Sure.
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:48pmToo bad the university didn’t take this to the next level, so the students could sue the pants off of them. Screw these power hungry administrators and their “time, place and manner” just BS. Way to go kids for standing your ground. Great example of civil disobedience against unlawful BS.
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:13pmIt was not unlawful, in fact if it was anything, it was hyperlawful and anal retentive bureaucratic red tape that comes from following rules and procedures to the letter rather than the spirit of what it is intended for. How was this civil disobedience? They were not saying that were being treated differently than others, so this was just disobedience.
Report Post »lobster
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 8:44amAZ signed onto that Agenda 21 on June 1, 1999, lefty Janet Hull did. The whole bureaucracy has taken a huge tumble into the abyss since. Thank God for Jan she mostly has some backbone.
Report Post »dont_drive_slow_in_the_left_lane_obliviot
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:47pmWould have gone different if it were the pro-abortion lesbian black African Muslim women’s union.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:26pmYou forgot La Raza.
Report Post »Idahosauce
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:45pmThey should have been handing out rainbow colored condoms with “Screw America” printed on them….nothing would have been said.
Report Post »LibertyGoddess
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:06pmThanks, I just spit my soda all over the screen.
Report Post »coryf076
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:11pmthey would have offered them free tuition and student housing
Report Post »PaBowHunter
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:26pmLOL…..I also almost spit my soda (actually I lied….it’s Yuengling) all over the screen. But I didn’t….cause I don’t want to waste my Yuengling.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:50pmSAD but TRUE!
TEA!
Report Post »beverlee
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:45pmI’m very big on the belt and suspenders tour. They should have had a backup plan in case of rain. As much as illegals should not be here because it is against the law all people need to follow the rules. If you don’t like the rules – change them!!!
Report Post »Truthmonster
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:45pmLiberism the cancer of America. They have assumed control of our schools. American education has become a pawn of wacky liberals. Schools are nothing more than seminaries for liberal breeding. Since most recieve federal funding this should not be permitted. Liberals are hijacking Americas youth.
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:02pmPrecisely what the Norway shooter said…but he included some scripture as well
Report Post »Thombob
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:51pmI agree with what you’ve said but what does that have to do with them following the rules? If she needed a permit she should have gotten one.
Report Post »jamjat54
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:45pmThis is much ado over nothing. The University over-reacted. The students should have sent one of their group to go and complete the paperwork. I’m not going to get worked up over this. One group of entrenched bureaucrats versus another group of privileged students. No winners here.
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 5:10pmExactly! I honestly get happy when I read a comment that doesn’t overreact itself and has some perspective. This is not a case of civil rights or Obama’s destruction of America, it is a tiny little conflict where people couldn’t compromise or come to an agreement…a microcosm of our government.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:19pmI agree. This is the part I find somewhat troubling:
“While they will not be punished over the incident, officials claim that they’d like to speak further with them.”
Sounds like those liberal sharks still smell blood in the water.
Report Post »coryf076
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:43pmI can only imagine what would have happened had that been a green movement org, a human rights group, or a GLBT group….
Report Post »United States of America
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:41pmI take classes there. The university is going through large scale cuts in funding. The school admin and teachers unapologetically blame Jan Brewer and Republican leadership for their woes. Their negative disdain right now plays weekly on the university public radio broadcasts. They’re ticked off and looking for trouble. As a student there, and knowing what I know, this in my opinion is the liberal admin and teachers simply looking to cause trouble for anyone or anything that represents what they believe caused “their” cuts in funding. It’s as simple as that.
Report Post »Oldtimer2
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:18amThey were closing whole departments and doing massive layoffs long before Brewer came to office. They spent themselves into the ground under Big Sis Napolitano when she was governor. They have no one to blame except themselves. Liberals think money grows on trees..
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:40pmI suspect that the U officials thought they had it going away, however, the students stood their ground so to speak. Rather than be gracious about the situation and the event itself, the U continued to press the kids (to go outside into the rain). Helllloooooo, reality check. Seems to me the U like many of our mainstream churches is now living a doctrine at direct opposite poles of what the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Bible state.
Glenn is right. Be informed! Get the information we need to have at hand and in hand. And, pray. GOD promises us that IF we follow HIM, HE will tell us which way to walk, when to speak and when to keep silent. Too often I run out in front of HIM, speaking without asking or without waiting. It pretty much always ends badly. *sigh*
Learn. Study. Be Prepared. Pray. And, wait on GOD.
GOD BLESS you young people. Good for you. Stand your ground, but please do not act like the leftist critters act: boisterously, illogically, uniformed and entitled.
Report Post »mtnhimike
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:35pmWhy is it when a Patriotic Group wants to do something all the liberal College Admin. rally against them but if that had been a Gay Rights rally nothing would have happened. Liberal, Commie, Socialist in our Colleges are ruining this Nation.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:41pmI have to agree with you on that.
Report Post »sparta48
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:41pmamen
Report Post »GENEPAGLIARI
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:46pmUnfortunate but probably true.
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:14pmOr a Black Power rally, a La Raza meeting, Young Socialist (handing Out Cuban flags) meeting, admirers of Che rally,Black Muslim or any other liberal organization.
Psalm 109:8
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:34pmLemonade stands were only the beginning.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:34pmIt looks like UCLA needs this “administration” on its campus.Especially when Ron (wannabe che guevarra) Gotchez spews his anti-American, stalinistic dribble all over the university, with his band of useful idiots. Or is it just ok when the commies assemble? Our universities have turned into a factory for useful idiots. Fortunately, there are some (not many) who know that practical implementation and theory do not always meet eye to eye.
Report Post »EZDOZIT
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:31pmHave any other groups set up like this in the past? How did the university handle it then? This will let us know if this is a case of selective punishment.
Report Post »Oldtimer2
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 12:49amIn 2003 some students from our church got permission to hand out free packages of top ramin soup as a kindness ministry for the students. No prostlizing , just giving away free soup and letting them know where we were located just off campus should they like to attend. It went great so they wanted to do it again the next year too, but were denied permission in 04 because they were affiated with a church.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:29pmThis is disgusting abuse of imaginary power.
You want my name?
I‘m not telling you if I didn’t break any laws.
My name is Nunya.
Report Post »91AP
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 1:02pmHey Nunya, we miss you on Prison Planet. dhsn
Report Post »MistaB
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:29pmIf I were one of their parents I would take my tuition money and find a better school for my kids. All the parents at that school need to see this video.
Report Post »Rachel12345
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 8:26pmIf my parents saw the video they would be disappointed at the two students that didn’t follow the rules and blew everything out of control.
Report Post »georgiavietvet
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:28pmthese university officials make themselves look like absolute idiots. its obvious that they are following the liberal mantra of diminishing 911 remembrances. the libs don’t want us to remember what happened on 911, and who it was that perpetrated the act. …………………………
Report Post »IowaWoman
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 7:44pmI am surprised they did not tell them to “get over it”
Report Post »WhatsYerProblem
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:27pmIf they were blocking traffic, they should have moved instead of making it a big issue.
I decided I’m going to be your official editor…
or to move their activities to the the other end of the building. Too many “the”’s
Report Post »But they have since been summonsed by the university’s administration. Check spelling
What do you think. Needs a question mark.
Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:27pmWhy didn’t they just follow the procedures to get the permission? Those kids are unpatriotic if they aren’t willing to fill out a simple form in order to do something nice for america. They are just some privileged complainers who want everything handed to them
Report Post »LIMITGOVERMENT
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:27pmJust one more reason why students and parent must choose better universities and colleges. May people with $$$ and background rise up and start educational institutions/univeristies/colleges.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:25pmSorry there’s no story here. There are clear guidelines in place and those guidelines weren’t followed. They also weren‘t ’shut down’, they were given several options to be able to continue their event. They are the ones that chose to shut themselves down because they refused to use any of the options offered.
Report Post »408 CheyTac
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:36pm1st amendment doesn’t have “guideline” take your ******* trolling someplace else
Report Post »sparta48
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:39pmyou are an idiot and obviously a lib that just wants to shout down any form of patriotism a$$ hole
Report Post »Alucard
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:46pmI just have one question to your statement. Do University rules supersede Constitutional rights? Not to mention the administration first said they didn’t have the proper paperwork, then they where in the middle of traffic, then a fire hazard, then in violation of their time, place and whatever rule. Pick something and stick with it. Its worse then the BO admin and its reasoning for the individual mandate. This was a clear violation of free speech from what I can see but so is their time, place rule. If you don’t stand up for your rights you will lose them.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:27pmSpeech is protected, not the right to set up a distribution booth wherever you please. The guidelines are for setting up a vendor operation. They could have had their event with no incident if they had simply followed those guidelines.
But then actually reading the constitution and seeing what the first ammendment actually says is probably beyond you.
Report Post »Alucard
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 2:08amWhere was there a booth? I saw 2 people standing off to the side of a hallway. Correct me if I‘m wrong but doesn’t a vender have to sell something or trade? They were handing stuff out for free not selling anything. I’m thinking the only one the Constitution and the first amendment is beyond is you my friend.
Report Post »Rowgue
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 4:03pmKeep trying to twist everything to be a free speech issue if you like. It just serves to undermine legitimate free speech violation cases because people get tired of seeing people cry wolf. Trying to make this out as a free speech issue is no different than Jesse Jackson trying to make everything into a race issue.
Report Post »OniKaze
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:25pmI can understand the universities stand-point, if they were inside, they need to ask for a permit (which they did not do) so I can get why the university stood firm, however, they were not hurting anyone, nor were they making profit, so just let it slide due to the weather.
I get the Universities stand-point, but they should have let this slide..
Long Live the Union of the United States of America, and death to any who would attempt to destroy it…
Report Post »Nlitend1
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:35pmI agree completely! But I would add that if it was important to the students they would have been willing to go through the bureaucratic tape. The fact that they weren’t and that they were taping the whole thing makes me think they were seeking the trouble. Nevertheless, I hate bureaucracies and analretentive admins, so it’s a toss up.
Report Post »GENEPAGLIARI
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:42pmSeptember 11 fell on a Sunday this year. Remember that the group began handing out flags outside and then it began to rain. A permit was probably not readily available on a Sunday. Now, maybe they should have moved to another part of the building as they were asked. Possibly they were asked to move to a back stairwell, I don’t know. Maybe this moving issue is the reason this young lady feels persecuted. One can‘t very well hand out flags to people who aren’t there.
Report Post »One thing I hope with all my heart is that by today, the flags which were stuck into the ground an fell over and the ones that have fallen off or over etc. have been picked up. We really have to be more careful about how we treat our flag.
jcldwl
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:23pmWhy do we keep sending our kids to these Universities and giving them money to indoctrinate and step on the rights of the students? It just doesn’t make sense.
Report Post »VISITORNUMBER3
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:22pm“Adding an interesting twist into the story is the fact that Freer caught the entire incident on video.”
You mean they weren’t arrested for this ???? I thought recording video of anyone official had become illegal !!! Outlaw ALL video devices immediately !!
Report Post »BrerRabbit
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:17pmLooks like plenty of room around the table to me.
Report Post »Mr-T
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:38pmYeah I mean, they are up agains‘t a wall in a big hall way I don’t see them hampering traffic in any way shape or form.
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