North Carolina Could Institute Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage
- Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:25am by
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RALEIGH, N.C. (The Blaze/AP) – It seems the gay marriage debate is heating up in North Carolina. Last month, The Blaze brought you the story of Pastor Nancy Petty, a lesbian spiritual leader at Pullen Memorial Baptist church in Raleigh, N.C., who is refusing to sign marriage licenses until a marriage equality is instituted in the state.
Now with Republicans in charge of the North Carolina Legislature for the first time in 140 years, conservatives are making a move to institute a gay marriage ban in the state. Lawmakers return Monday to Raleigh to debate proposed amendments, including one to let voters next year decide if a state law already on the books defining marriage as between one man and one woman should be imprinted into the state constitution as well.
“It’s time that we settled this issue,” said GOP state Rep. Dale Folwell of Winston-Salem, the No. 2 leader in the House and a key amendment proponent.
Gay rights supporters and gay-friendly companies in the state have been attacking the proposal, saying a 2012 statewide ballot is unnecessary and would humiliate the state in a nation that’s become more accepting of same-sex relationships. They say it would discourage business from coming to North Carolina, where unemployment has crept back above 10 percent. Some Democrats agree. Below, watch a press conference that highlights these concerns:
“It makes no sense that North Carolina in a dark economic hour, should signal out a minority of its population for public judgment,” said Andrew Spainhour, general counsel of Greensboro-based tableware seller Replacements Ltd., where as many as 100 of the 450 employees are gay, including the company founder.
The marriage debate rises against a backdrop of looming, critical elections. A divisive ballot measure in November 2012 could help bring conservatives to the polls in a state where Barack Obama won in 2008 by only 13,000 votes and which is hosting the Democratic National Convention. Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue also faces a tough re-election fight next year.
“There’s no doubt that there would be some advantage in motivating voters for Republican candidates,” said Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Public Life at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. On the gay marriage issue itself, he added: “We are polarized on this.”
Political and social activists nationwide are keeping a close eye on the debate in Raleigh, which could be decided by a few votes. Groups are investing money and time in what could turn into a yearlong fight with deep political overtones. It could become a bellwether on gay marriage as a political issue.
“Once it gets on the ballot, it’s going to be a top priority for us,” said Tom McClusky, a vice president at the Washington-based Family Research Council. Its legislative arm ran radio ads urging listeners to call a dozen legislators considered on the fence.
Thirty states have language in their constitutions limiting marriage to a man and woman. Minnesota voters will consider an amendment next year. But gay marriage supporters have seen victories both in politics and public acceptance.
New York became the sixth state with the District of Columbia to sanction same-sex marriages. In North Carolina, support for gay rights and acceptance of same-sex partnerships has expanded in recent years beyond college towns and other urban pockets. The number of same-sex domestic partners in North Carolina increased 68 percent over the past decade, according to U.S. Census figures.
“Each person has to decide what‘s right for themselves but I don’t think we need to legislate those sorts of things,” said Byron Greiner, 53, an Asheville real estate agent and president of the city’s downtown association who has been in a same-sex partnership for 18 years. “I’d hate to see North Carolina go backward.”
Greiner and others argue having a constitutional amendment on the ballot would make companies in emerging fields think twice about expanding in North Carolina. They said the amendment language if approved would lead to uncertainty over same-sex partner benefits, child custody rights and domestic violence laws.
“You don’t use the constitution to disenfranchise and hurt your fellow citizens,” said Alex Miller, interim leader of the gay rights group Equality North Carolina.
Amendment supporters argue traditional marriage would be better protected against potential legal challenges by same-sex couples married in other states. They said they’ve seen no proof businesses have refused to come to North Carolina because of the current marriage law. Amendment language expected to be considered Monday in a Senate committee aims to make clear companies aren’t impeded from offering domestic partner benefits to their workers.
House Speaker Thom Tills, a Republican from suburban Charlotte, is a former consultant for Price Waterhouse who worked on a diversity initiative that was expanded to recruit gay and lesbian employees. Tillis said he‘ll vote for the amendment but wants language that he believes won’t diminish the attractiveness of doing business in North Carolina.
“We’re going to get the legislation right,” he said.
The amendment must receive support from three-fifths of the members in both the House and Senate to go to the ballot. Constitutional questions aren’t subject to gubernatorial vetoes. A simple majority of voters would have to agree to put it in the constitution. Most of the attention has focused on the House, where the Republican majority falls four seats short of the 72 votes needed if the entire GOP caucus voted together.
That will require Republican leaders to retain six Democrats who co-sponsored a gay marriage amendment earlier this year, while keeping all GOP lawmakers in line. Black Democrats in rural areas were among those being targeted by amendment supporters. Not all Republicans were on board late last week.
“We don’t want to make the mistake that everything we think is important, we should put it in the constitution,” said first-term Rep. Chuck McGrady, a Republican from Hendersonville, who called himself undecided. “I’m struggling with it. I’m trying to understand all the facts.”
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:17amNot homophobic but not wishing to decline any further these United States. Rome adopted and accepted the gay lifestyle and it was one of several reasons that they fell apart and is always one of the reasons that most empires fall apart. Lets get real people, what function in society does gay marriage put forth? Zero! No function whatsoever.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:24amI Married late in life.To a Woman who can not have babies.SO what does my Marriage to a Woman I Love put forth to Society?
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:22pmNo. Because homophobes are also hypocrites.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:41pmAgree we start allowing same sex marriage and our state is done for.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:43pmIf you want to have gay marriage and be gay live in California or one of the states that are ok with this leave NC alone. If you want to live here and keep it in your bedroom that is ok we don’t want to know about it.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:07pmYou’re talking about Rome?! Like, ancient Rome? Aha ahaha hah aha haha ha haha ha. I could pick out one of a dozen other things that occurred, like Christianity, in much higher proportion than homosexuality and say “well Christianity was certainly happening a lot near the downfall of Rome–must have caused it” without making it true. Rome collapsed for two primary reasons (aside from just being about 1500-1000 years old depending upon who’s counting) internal competition for the monopoly of force between private military and external invasion–they were not “brought down by gayness.” How would one bring a country down with gayness exactly?
Besides which, how is Rome at all relevant to the modern world, other than being responsible for Christianity in the Western world? In fact, you should be grateful to Rome–hey thanks Constantinople. They did much more for advancing the cause of Christianity than homosexuality in the world…and God punished them for that? Jeez, he‘s hard to please isn’t he. Maybe you should really re-think your premise–if that little amount of gay brought down the empire responsible for Christianity, then how have we survived so long with San Francisco? Think about it.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:21pm.
Report Post »We need to treat the GLBT crowd like the Iraq’s treat the GLBT crowd in their country. It’s tradition we need to import………….
This_Individual
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:25pmChief, please allow me to inform you that Rome still exists. If you are reffering to the ancient Roman empire, a citizen’s choice of whom they slept with was not an issue at all.
Your remark; ” Lets get real people, what function in society does gay marriage put forth? Zero! No function whatsoever” reminds me of one of George Bernard Shaw‘s comments on one’s usefullness to society. In fact, I am a little surprised that you would post something like that.
Would you entertain the notion of government not being involved in social issues such as these?
Report Post »I would respectfully suggest that these issues (since they seem to be offensive to many of the Christian faith) should be taken up (by yourselves, no government involved) with the individual Churches and clergy who are performing these ceremonies. Personally, I believe that a civil union between these folks should not be hindered in any way by the government.
Calpurnia
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:48pmSmokey Bojangles, you are contributing a stable, respectable, positive image of what a marriage should be.
You are contributing your fidelity to your spouse for richer/poorer, in sickness and in health, and her to you. You have a stable and respectable and honorable union that is in accordance with God’s will for sexuality.
This makes you AND her more stable, less vulnerable, better equipped for life.
You don’t have to be fertile to be a contributing member of society. Although the fact is that most married couples have children, and the fate of those children MUST be considered, children are not the only point of marriage.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:51pm@Okie from Muskogee
Howdy
I agree that marriage comes from God, I also want a government that respects that same definition of marriage. It is between a man and woman, not two of the same sex.
Seperation of church and state may not be in our constitution, but we do have a first ammendment that keeps government from running the church. That does not mean the church people do not have a say so in government. Stealing, murder, are crimes, and are also defined as sins in the Bible. Adultry is defined as a sin in the Bible and in the military is grounds for being relieved of command, and is grounds for divorce in civil court.
There is much morality defined by our criminal justice system that parallels what we know to be true Biblically.
The founding fathers did not favor gay marriage, and would not even have had the foresight to see such wickedness as being an option. George Washington had a lieutenant kicked out of the military for attempted sodomy.
Homosexuality destroys nations. It is defined as wicked in the Bible, and world history shows us what happens when nations accept is as normal.
In old testament, there were a number of kings (after David), who did right in the eyes of the Lord, and these kings tore down the places of idol worship, and destroyed the houses of the sodomites.
I do not want the gov rulling the church, but I want church people voting for politicians that have a Biblical sence of wright and wrong.
Marriage is between a man a
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:58pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
The term homophobe is a bit of a misnomer. It would lead one to believe we are afraid of homosexuality. It is not that I fear it, it is more real to say that I am repulsed by it, the same as I am repulsed by rape, child molestation, beasteality….. It is a sexual perversion. The Bible defines it as wicked, and an abomination. World history shows us over and over that it destroys nations, and a quick trip over to the Center for Disease Control Webiste shows us that it spreads disease, is unhealthy, that people that practice homosexuality commit suicide at a much higher rate, abuse drugs, change partners much faster, mollest children at a extreem high rate, abuse alcohol to a higher degree.
I pray you get things right.
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:20pmSimple ‘Smokey_Bojangles’, not all Man and Woman will have children, but just as you don‘t go into a Taco Bell for a hamburger and you don’t use a fishing pole, hooks and worms to caught Deer. You also don’t believe that two men or two women will create a child together.
This is taking the Bible out of the scenario, add the Bible and you have selfish gratification, sodomy and other issues to contend with. Oh and before you bring it into the discussion; YES THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION and the BIBLE! !
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:58pm@The Third Archon
big differnece in spreading Christianity vs spreading the government of the catholic church
Homosexuality did not only play a hand in the destruction of Rome, it did the same in Babylon and Greece.
Have you noticed that homosexuality is always practiced when the practicing nation is on the way down. Nations never practice it during the build phase?
Old Socrates was a prime exmple of homosexuality. You know the fellow that stated “One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing.” After he sodomized a young boy, he went and sacraficed a chicken to a false snake god, then committed suicide. Go figure.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:09pmRanger P
If you believe marriage is ordained by God, what need of Government are you advocating for?
Homosexuality is as wicked as adultery, lying, arrogance, pride, murder, stealing, not honoring His Sabbath, not loving your neighbor, defiling His temple, preaching false words, and every other sin in the book. It‘s sin and it’s all wicked.
Murder and stealing where common sense agreements between Nature’s God and believers God.
You are correct in homosexuality wasn’t openly common in that time because those people were believers, unlike most today. You can not force belief. You can allow opportunity to choose. You think George Washington looked to the Government to marry him? I think not!
Again, if we believers take Government out of our proper religious ceremony and practice it from the Church as should be, this discussion would not be going on. Homos would not be forcing you to recognize them and Homos would have zero power. Satan isn’t stupid.
The only reason Government wants any say in marriage is for the tax revenue it generates. Government is taxing a religious event. You think God is happy bout that? I do not.
I believe it is wicked to not honor His Sabbath. So should there be law forcing you to honor it and the day I choose? Or should there be no law and you choose your path? It is that simple.
Respect your Government, Congress shall make no law on Religion. Not doing so is disobeying God‘s word isn’t it? Yes.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:32pm@Okie from Muskogee
While we can agree that in the Bible – sin is sin. This sin of disobedience plunged the entire human race into sin. That being said, some sins get a worse punishment than others, and take you further down the road of immorality.
King David committed adultry, and still came back from it. We do not see any examples of that with homosexuality. While I believe God can still forgive homosexuality, you generally see very few come back from it. The Bible speaks of the reprobate, in that people go so far, they sear their own mind.
Our government has seen fit to give tax breaks to married peoples. I do not see anything anti-Biblical with that. If the governement is going to recognize marriages, then I will only vote for those politicians that define marriage in a Biblical way (one man, one woman). Not a real hard concept to grasp. I would prefer a politician that would stomp out homosexuality, in every way possible.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 5:11pmRanger P
We both view Homos the same, we just do not agree on how to handle it.
I have zero fear of homosexuality and it in no way infringes upon my God given rights of Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happyness.
I do fear giving Government religious power because giving Government those powers has always led to the execution of believers who would not worship as they saw fit. Once that gates open, we will never shut it.
Just think, if Government never became involved this wouldn’t be an issue. And I disagree, Government shouldn’t be giving tax breaks to one group over another. That is unjust and unequal. Playing one against another. That’s my opinion on that. :-)
I will also contend if we allow choice and witness God‘s Word we will have far more success then creating a Governmental law enforcing our perspective of God’s law.
Being Homos is choice and more Homos turn to God thru His Holy Spirit then any law will ever force them too.
I have no problem electing a candidate who speaks his religion, that our freedom. But I can not vote for someone who will violate our Bill of Rights for his religious view.
I am curious as to where sin is weighed in God’s Word, one being worse or more wicked then the other.
Remember, God will not punish you for my sin or a Homos sin. That’s collective thinking, not individual thinking.
Stay safe man…
Report Post »Harold B
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:28pmOne purpose it does provide is benifits at taxpayers expense for gay partiners of government employees and thus force all of us to approve of same sex marriage by supporting it with hard to earn but, easy to get tax dollars out of our pocket. Basically tax money is free money because it requires no work to get so why not use it to buy the gay vote.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:47pm@Okie from Muskogee
On the punishment thing. You are correct, God will not punish me personally for your sin, or the sin of a homosexual, but he does punish nations. The Bible is specific on homosexuality being one of the sins that God detests, and will destroy the nation over.
Look at the prophet Daniel. He was in captvity in Babylon due to the sins of his own people. God still blessed him and used him, but do not think that he and others did not suffer because the sins of the nation.
Do not quote me, but I think there was some validity on the marriage tax, in that it rewards those that are biblical and get married, where while it does not punish the unmarried, they just do not get the break.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 6:48pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
where did you go? Are you going to debate, or just call names again and run off?
Report Post »TheFixr
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:29pmAgreed. Despite posters such as “The 3rd A-Hole” who has little knowledge of history, nor the risk of repeating it, NC is right to stop gay marriage in its tracks. We, of the Great North State, stand behind this proposed amendment.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:39pmRanger P
Here are two verses explaining Sodom wasn’t just destroyed with Hellfire but for many other wickedness. We tend to focus on the Homos part but not the other verses. Jesus in Matthew 10 I believe also speaks of Sodom….
Jeremiah 23:14:”…among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah.” Jeremiah compares the actions of the prophets with the adultery, lying and evil of the people of Sodom. Homosexual activity is not mentioned.
Ezekeiel 16:49-50:”Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom’s sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; sexual activity is not even mentioned…
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 8:17pm@Oakie
Check out Judges chapter 19 (the entire chapter).
the men of Gibeah had been guilty of a very heinous piece of wickedness, the like to which had never been known before in Israel, Judges 19:30. It was a complicated crime, loaded and blackened with all possible aggravations. They were not such fools as to make a mock at this sin, or turn the story off with a jest. 2. That a general assembly of all Israel should be called, to debate what was fit to be done for the punishment of this wickedness, that a stop might be put to this threatening inundation of debauchery, and the wrath of God might not be poured upon the whole nation for it. It is not a common case, and therefore they stir up one another to come together upon the occasion with this: Consider of it, take advice, and speak your minds. We have here the three great rules by which those that sit in council ought to go in every arduous affair. (1.) Let every man retire into himself, and weigh the matter impartially and fully in his own thoughts, and seriously and calmly consider it, without prejudice on either side, before he speaks upon it. (2.) Let them freely talk it over, and every man take advice of his friend, know his opinion and his reasons, and weigh them. (3.) Then let every man speak his mind, and give his vote according to his conscience. In the multitude of such counsellors there is safety.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 8:21pm@Ranger P
I must be clear, I am in now way advocating for Homos to be married by Government. I’m sure you know this I just feel I must make that clear for others. I advocate Government has no role in a religious ceremony clearly by the Bill of Rights.
If argued marriage is not religious I then contend God has been replaced by Government which could be why we have so many divorces, which is also considered wicked and equal to Homos.
Can you tell me how Government not being in marriage at all would be bad and be seen bad by God?
Can you tell me how Homos thinking their married affects you whether thru Government or outside of Government?
Please keep in mind those collective judgements were all for Theocracies, something we are not. We have more Homos now because our Churches have left God and failed us. If our Churches spread God’s love ciorrectly, Homos would not be so populous.
The judgement against these Theocracies, Judah and Israel, was because the Church/Religion failed and left God, not Government per say.
Governments job isn’t to be judge of which Church is right and which is wrong. England, Rome and several others did that which led to evil power hungry rulers that killed and millions.
Good debate!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:02pm@Okie from Muskogee
I think we agree on marriage being condoned by God, but I do think this means that government can not recognize marriage.
I am totally against gays adopting. Was not very long ago, that when a state looked at who could adopt, it had to be a married couple. If gays are not allowed to marry, this would prevent the sick and evil option of gays adopting and destroying the lives of children
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:25pm@Ranger P
I agree, Homos should not be raising children. If you can’t make it, you don’t raise it. Common sense law. But i also believe it should be difficult to just give up kids and parents doing so should be held responsible for not taking care of their obligations.
I’m gonna read that chapter tonight. I really appreciate the good debate. Always good thought!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:44pm@ Ranger
The only evil here is the evil spewing from “good christians” like yourself and others. You are using a book of myths to justify your hatered. There is nothing evil about a loving couple adopting a child. Their are way to many christians here that are seeking to have the government enforce their own bigoted “morality.”
WeeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:57pmSUPPORT THE HOMOSEXUAL DEATH PENALY LAW …
Report Post »… and keep America clean!
Git-R-Done
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:39pmMarriage is NOT a right in the Constitution. The radical left is just screaming and crying like little children so that they can shove their beliefs down America’s throats.
Report Post »MrWarrior
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:06amAmen!!
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 6:42am@encinom
If you are telling me that you believe it OK for two queers to adopt a child, then you are beyond sick. You are perverted, and your mind is warped and distorted.
When you destroy the family, you destroy the nation. Homosexuality destroys nations.,
Not picking on the black folks, but take a look at the current state of the black family in America. See what welfare has done, when it took away the need for a father/husband.
Seven in ten black children are born into single family homes. Black folks send more men to prison, then to college, they are 12 percent of the population ,and commit half the murders, three fourths of armed robberies, over half of rapes. Their AIDS statistics are mind blowing, and they have the highest rates of aborted babies and percent of people on welfare.
It is pretty obvious that raising children without a mother and father is not working out real well, and we now have degenerate morons like you thinking it fine to raise children with a couple of queers.
What is next? you going to start dropping the age of consent, so the queers can have sex with the children? Those days are coming.
It is a shame that children in America that find themselves in a tough situation, may get thrown into such a sick mess.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:27am@rangerp
I am confused, your argument for preventing a child from being raised by two loving parents to to show the danger sof a child being raised by a single parent? The fact do not support your argument, a child needs a loving and caring home, is it better that a child be raised in foster care than in a warm and loving home because the couple doesn’t conform with an out date model based on a old book of myths and legends.
rappini
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 4:05pmI think it’s called birth control.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 9:14pm@encinom
Children need to be raised by parents. Parents means a man(father), a woman (mother). I showed you statistically what happens when we have mass amounts of children in single parent homes.
two sick twisted sodomites does not equate to a “couple”. boys and girls need one of each (parent). A boy looks to the father as an example to what a man is. He looks to the mother as an example as to what his future wife should be. He learsn from both (same for a girl).
Kids who get subjected to homosexuals do not live a normal life. Lie all you want, but it is not so.
If you believe that two sodomites or two lesbians can raise a child and it be a normal situation, and healthy for the child, you are sick, twisted, and perverse individual.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 14, 2011 at 5:29amrangerp
Report Post »Gay couples are couples, There are two of them and they couple, therefore, they are couples. You talk about statistics and percentages when talking about single-parent families, so apparently you do care about facts and evidence, at least when they support what you want to believe. There are no facts or evidence to support your belief that being raised by a gay couple is in any way harmful to kids. All the evidence we have so far indicates just the opposite.
Bro. Chuck
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:17am“Lesbian Spiritual Leader”
I guess Lesbians need spiritual leaders too, huh?.
I always worry when Pastors use quotes from “unknown’s” for their inspirational direction.
I was also disappointed that Pastor Petty didn’t expound on her Lesbian Lifestyle, and the Revelations that the Lord had given her blessing her choice, increasing her harvest, and furthering the Kingdom….
I mean, she “seems” genuinely excited about her ministry…..
http://www.pullen.org/page/staff
I’ll pray for you, sister….
Father YahWeh,
I pray that you bless Sister Petty…
may you pour forth Your Spirit upon her ministry -
Reveal Your Truths…
Lift up those that come against her teachings and reinforce in them YOUR values -
remove the scales from the eyes…
soften the hearts to see the sin,
not the people.
May Sister Petty see and experience FIRSTHAND YOUR Awesomeness and Sovereignty , Adonai!
In Your Love…
In Your Grace….
Through Your Mercy & Forgiveness, Father….
May she come to understand You better.
Father,
I ask my brothers and sisters who read this to have Faith and believe that you were true in Your Word – in Matthew 18:
“Whatever two or more of you shall ask, I shall be faithfull to do it for you”
Pray with me now, Brothers and Sisters:
Lord,
Report Post »You are sounding Your Shofar on the Mountain….
Your People are raising their heads -
their eyes and their hearts to you Father…
Awaken us!
Pour out Your Spirit and Revive Us, Oh Lord..
Let
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:26amAggressive Christianity will be it’s own worse enemy by trying to establish this State amendment or Federal Amendment allowing Government to regulate marriage.
It is unbelievable to see Christians declaring they need Government, not God, to define and determine what marriage is and then lobby to grant Government this power.
If this amendment is pursued, either on state or Federal levels, it will be brought to the supreme court and struck down as unconstitutional therefore guaranteeing **** marriages being recognized by Government.
Put GOD back in marriage and take Governments greedy power hungry hands out of it. If Government is your legal authority on marriage, you are not practicing a true marriage.
Marriage is Man and Woman contracted together by God into one unit. NO WHERE is Government found in this ceremony, or this contract. Only the Godless need Government to tell them their “married”…..
Report Post »NickyLouse
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:52amIn response to Okie:
At one point in our nation’s past, the government saw the value in normal family life and took measures to propagate it. Our government, activist judges, gay lobbyists, etc. bring the issue to us. You are correct about keeping marriage holy – set apart for God’s use – a depiction of the relationship between Jesus and His Church. The best policy at this point is not to create laws to allow gays to marry or not, but to remove government from the process simply because the government is corrupt in God’s sight. It is beholden to their powerful backers – whether minority voices or not. The point is that it is corrupt through and through.
My marriage is a covenant between myself and God and my wife. If the government chooses to eliminate the assistance it provides in tax breaks for children, then so be it. What we have comes from God – both materially and spiritually. We have no fear of this issue as the gay activists would have the world believe.
Shalom
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:52am@Oakie
Right back to Romans chapter 13, where God holds government officials accountable for actions.
If we do not take a stand, homosexuals will destroy this nation.
Report Post »swehes
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:59am@Okie from Muskogee
Report Post »Totally agree with you. Marriage is between a man, a woman with God as the witness. It is a religious institution, not governmental. Just because government says something doesn’t make it right. I will exercise my freedom of religion and not accept same sex marriage.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:24pm@Ranger P
Howdy. Do you believe in collective judgement? I do not.
Do you believe Government should punish for not worshipping God, for not attending Church, for adultery, or for not bowing to the image they demand and see as just and righteous punishment for in their views evil?
Remember why so many left and fled to America, persecution by the Church/State believing they were being just and punishing the wicked. Were they right? NOPE…..But they sure thought so and killed millions in God’s name.
And you believe we should give this administration let alone any administration this power? Seriously?
Respect your Government, ‘Congress shall make NO LAW in establishment of Relgion’
Either marriage is religious and performed by God or it‘s isn’t and contracted/taxed by Government. Can’t have it both ways. I choose God. You?
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:44pmYou are spot on Okie. Well said.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:45pmSpot on Okie. Well said.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:28pm@Okie from Muskogee
Report Post »I replied to you, and for some reason, it posted up above this topic
Joe1234s Gay Lover
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 5:19pmI sure wish Joe hurries and gets home soon!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 5:30pm@Joe1234s Gay Lover
Now that is funny. I don’t care who you are!!!!
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:54pmSwehes, you won’t be able to express your opposition to same sex marriage with the businesses and taxpayer money being forced to support it.
Report Post »AB5r
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:09amAren’t all marriages gay? If not they should be, maybe they should go to counseling and work through their problems.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:49amI was at the store the other day and a Gang Of Queers attacked us and made us all Homos.We need a Big Nanny state to protect us from Queers and Black People and folks with funny hair.And Protect us from Cheeseburgers and cell Phones and That whore loving Country music!AND Lord!! I love Bacon!!! so The Nanny State needs to keep me from Buying Bacon.We Must Have Sharia law!!!! Get it yet?It is called sarcasm.If They want to go to Hell Let them.It is not the Governments job to be in any one’s Business or life.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:03amThere are ALL quotes by Thomas Paine
“The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason. I have never used any other, and I trust I never shall.”
“Priests and conjurors are of the same trade.”
“The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. ”
Thomas Jefferson
“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”
“The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.”
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
There is no doubt that some of our founding fathers were Christians, some were believers who didn’t practice, some were nonbelievers and some were atheists but ALL wanted freedom for and freedom of religion. So let‘s stop kidding ourselves by saying we’re fo
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:04amNot to mention, freedom FROM religion which means an over-reaching Government who uses the Bible to create and enforce public policy.
Report Post »DimmuBorgir
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:11amI am not, nor never will be, afraid of gays.
so homophobic is a non-sense word to me that might as well be in a Dr Seuss book.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:16am@Mod…but you want to impose YOUR atheist religion upon us….and thats OK of course because…why?
Report Post »atechgeek
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:27am@Joe .. that is not his point. The Constitution of the United States says “Freedom OF Religion” not “FROM” religion. His point is that the US Left wing government has distorted the meaning from “OF” to “FROM” to create policy that favors them and their agenda. This is how God is being removed from out schools and how Sharia is creeping in.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:36amNC and the rest of the bible thumping belt, is making their last stand against reason and logic. These very same “christians” will agrue about limited government and how thye want government out of their lives, yet here they are inviting the government into their bedrooms.
The only argument being offered, is an invalid arguement of religious beliefs. We are a secular nation, with a Constitution that limits the influence any religion on the law.
The choice is, either you are for freedom or you are for a theocracy like Iran or the Taleban.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:39amLet’s not forget these Jefferson quotes
Report Post »1.The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.
2.Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one
3.The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not
4.The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not
5.I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then!)
6.I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man
To read Jefferson is understand how a man can believe in God and not trust orginized religion. God gives freedom and religious groups takes it. I understand where he comes from as I beleive in God but see orginized Religion to be nothing more than a industry.
jb.kibs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:41amif you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:51amAs a follower and believer in Jesus Christ the Messiah and Lord and Savior, I find it offensive for Government to be arrogant enough to put themselves in the position of God and say they have the authority to conjoin two individuals into one. Only God has that power in my faith.
Government does not create a true marriage, God does.
If two rock worshippers want to believe their rock God “marries” them, so be it for them to choose that false practice. But Christians or we say believers, need to understand placing Government in for God is just as false as the two worshipping the rock.
Government isn‘t God just as a rock isn’t God.
Only God, per the BIBLE, has authority to marry and anything or anyone trying to act as God is a false practice.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:52am@JB Kids:
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that’s clear-
I will choose Free Will.
encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:54am@smithclar3nc3
The quotes that you posted support Modertion’s comment. North Carolina’s assault on the personal liberties and freedoms of its citizens, masked in religion is against the founding principals of this nation.
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:56amWish I Could type stuff like that,instead of my overreacting ramblings hhaha.Thank you for expressing my opinion better than I ever could :D
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:30pm@encicom…you choose fascism and repression against all those who disagree with you…no surprise you‘re a good ’liberal’.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:34pm@encicom…you really want to debate this issue with me? I don’t think you have the intellect to….but lets see your ‘facts’ and ‘reason’
1) gay marriage will take away religous liberty and freedom of speech from those who disagree
2) gay marriage makes real marriage meaningless which means more fatherless children (as the research in the netherlands proves) and we all know that more fatherless children means more crime, drugs, gangs, etc.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:43pmoh and lets not forget the slippery slope argument…if gay ‘marriage’ is ok, then why isn’t polygamy, and pedophiles getting married? after all those are just sexual preferences too…and if you’re going to have special rights for one sexual preference, why not have special rights for all sexual preferences?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:44pm“1) gay marriage will take away religous liberty and freedom of speech from those who disagree
2) gay marriage makes real marriage meaningless which means more fatherless children (as the research in the netherlands proves) and we all know that more fatherless children means more crime, drugs, gangs, etc.”
Please Joe, enlighten us, how does ensure all Americans receive the same benefits, take away freedoms. You can still scream your bigotry, just know body is listening to you. Should we outlaw marriage bethween agnostics and atheists also? I mean they to are an afront to religion.
As for your second point, how little menaing those your current marriage have if what another couple does strips your marriage of its meaning. And what is this study you cite to, cause recent studies have show a child raised by two parents (Traditional or Not) are better off, it is singleparenthood that puts children at a slightly increased risk (poverty and lack of formal education are the worst factors).
You are offering talkinging points with facts to back them up. You are a little paranoid man, afraid of what two women are doing in privacy.
encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:53pmjoe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:43pm
oh and lets not forget the slippery slope argument…if gay ‘marriage’ is ok, then why isn’t polygamy, and pedophiles getting married? after all those are just sexual preferences too…and if you’re going to have special rights for one sexual preference, why not have special rights for all sexual preferences?
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Of cause that is a false strawman argument the issue is what right those the government have to regulat ethe relationships between consenting ADULTS. While polygamy (something the Bible had little problem with) between consenting adults would reaffirm the Mormon faith, the issue of pedophiles is a false argument. The only argument being made is in regards to consent adults.
schmite123oh
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:18pm@okie From what i remember i swore an oath during my marriage vows in front oF god, whats you beef with the government being sdomewhat involved in the process? Has more to do with property rights, assets and such than whatever you are trying to say about “i dont need the government to marry me I just need God”
Anyways- you have a responsibility to support just laws.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:18pmpoint 2)
Today, marriage is in trouble in the Netherlands. In the mid-1990s, out-of-wedlock births, already rising, began a steeper increase, nearly doubling to 31 percent of births in 2003. These were the very years when the debate over the legal recognition of gay relationships came to the fore in the Netherlands, culminating in the legalization of full same-sex marriage in 2000. The conjunction is no coincidence.
http:// www. weeklystandard.com /Content/Public/Articles /000/000/004/126qodro.asp
as far as point 3:
what is the age of consent? do you know? its changed over the years…surely some judge will come along and declare age-of-consent laws ‘discriminatory’
we’ve already seen the ACLU defend NAMBLA…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:29pm@Joe
I’m going to be firm with you and slap you down which is not my normal standard of operations but with your arrogance and total false speak about God, Government, and Jesus allowing choice, I feel I must.
Being Homos is a sin. Adultery is a sin. One is no greater then the other. That is fact jack.
Unless you have only been with your wife your whole life, physically and mentally sexually, you have committed the same sin as being HOMOS.
It is called PERVERSION of sex.
Polygamy is the same thing as having more then one sexual partner or equal to being an adulteral, which you just learned is having more then one partner mentally or physically in your whole life and is a PERVERSION of sex.
You disrespect God by saying He needs Government to authorize and perform His work. You therefore are taking God out, and replacing Him with Government making your religion a Godless religion.
Only pedophiles advocate for pedophiles. What are you saying Joe by mentioning it? Say it ain’t so, Joe……..
Please, what you speak is crap and you are making us who actually revere God and love Him look as stupid as you sound.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:30pmOkie: you’re a pathetic moron. you must be a liberal troll trying to make christians look bad…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:33pmok my reply to point 1 won’t post….try the shortened version…
1) yes it does, as the catholic charities being denied the right to practice their religion in regard to adoption in MA makes clear.
and of course the doctor in CA who didn’t want to artificially inseminate a lesbian…he was told he has no freedom of religion and speech when it comes to the gays.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:37pmencinom
Hey dumbshit
Show me where it says in the US Constitution abut separation of church and state.
You can’t find it cause it says nothing about it.
You just made that all up.
You have no right to restrict freedom of religion on public property.
We put Nativity Scenes on the court house property all the time, and you can’t stop it.
You ever heard of impeccatory prayer, It’s where the fake Rev. Barry Lynn was prayed dead.
Report Post »It’s rarely used, but that’s what it means.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:45pm@Schmite
“@okie From what i remember i swore an oath during my marriage vows in front oF god, whats you beef with the government being sdomewhat involved in the process?”
What business is it of Governments to have a say in any religious function? They do not……
“Has more to do with property rights, assets and such than whatever you are trying to say about “i dont need the government to marry me I just need God””
So basically you are saying it is all about material possessions and not about two becoming one thru God. Could that be why most marriages end in divorce today? Hmmmmm……
“Anyways- you have a responsibility to support just laws.”
“Just” laws would be ‘Congress shall make no law in establishment of Religion’ wouldn’t you say?
An unjust law would be to say you must worship how I say, like Iran.
Maybe if we believers spent more time reaching out to unbelievers, like we are too, instead of persecuting or limiting their rights more would find God……
Absolutely amazing…..
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:47pm“Maybe if we believers spent more time reaching out to unbelievers, like we are too, instead of persecuting or limiting their rights more would find God……”
the only people trying to limit the rights of others are the gay marriage proponents. get a clue.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:55pmencinom
Hell I got 40 wives too and 400 kids LOL We were married in the Mormon Church
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:56pm@Joe
Say it ain’t so Joe…..Surely you can do better then the liberal and call names, insult and then run away.
Everything I posted is fact from God’s Word and this is why you ran from it.
Actions and attitudes as yours is the reason so many flee from God and give us who believe in God a bad name. Instead of trying to persecute, get your lazy rear out on the street and witness to some Homos, maybe you might just lead some to God. Preaching hate will only turn them away and those missed opportunities to share God’s word thru love will be answered for to God.
Sin is sin. There is no sin greater then another. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:09pm@Say it so Joe
“the only people trying to limit the rights of others are the gay marriage proponents. get a clue.”
That is absolutely stupid. Go practice your religion how you see fit and I will do the same.
Who here is trying to exclude others from practicing what they view as religion? YOU……..
If you seriously can not understand that, then there is no hope for you and you need to seek help. You are falsely representing God and I’m advising you to stop.
At least have the integrity to be honest and any one with two cents of thought can see you are lying. Hate, hate, hate. You sound just like a Muslim. Notice that? Something to ponder……
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:13pm“Surely you can do better then the liberal and call names, insult and then run away. ” you mean like you did to me in a post down the page??? where you had to make up lies about what i said??
quote: “You think allowing someone the ability to choose how they worship atheist? That is just ignorance and stupidity. ”
and now you’re all upset about being called names…boohooo
“Who here is trying to exclude others from practicing what they view as religion? YOU……..” this is a lie…post your proof, put up or shut up.
“At least have the integrity to be honest and any one with two cents of thought can see you are lying.” more BS and lies…post your proof…you cannot. you lie about what other people say because you don’t have the intellect to deal with the issues.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:16pm“Everything I posted is fact from God’s Word and this is why you ran from it. ” more BS…you think your own words are the words of God…only in your deluded little mind…
oh and how am I ‘persecuting’ anyone? hmmmm??? by opposing gay marriage, thats ‘persecution’??
as far as ‘preaching hate’ thanks for proving you’re a typical left-wing wacko. what BS.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:32pmENCINOM,
Report Post »It only supports gay marriage if you don’t see marriage as a religious institution….Which it is
The government as no rights to set regulations reguarding religious institutions that’s up to the religious leaders and what ever teaching their religion instills.
The government can grant civil unions to gays if they see can get the regulations passed.
But that’s neither here nor there
4.The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not
5.I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then
It quotes like these that are more important to our country today Gay Marriage is a distraction to what is really ailing America
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:42pm@Joe
You can call me liberal, which I am not, a troll, which I am not, or whatever else you choose but the truth you keep running from is your going against the very bill of rights that allow you to worship how you see fit and the same bill of rights established by Christian men.
Persecution is limiting of ones rights, which you are advocating and then turn around and deny it. Have some balls say what you mean and mean what you say. Don’t act cowardly and try to run from it.
Government has no place in a religious ceremony. If you want a theocracy move to Iran.
Also, are you advocating Glenn Beck is a Liberal? You do know Glenn supports Homos marriage, don’t you?
I say Government should NOT be involved at all. You say Government should regulate your religious ceremony and restrict others from practicing theirs.
Which is more in line with the Constitution? Surely you are not that ignorant, lack of knowledge, or stupid, in ability to learn. It is one or the other. You pick. Have a wonderful day.
And seriously, you expect any to think your of God when you speak of Him and use curse words in the same sentence. What a joke. That shows how much you respect God.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:52pm@okie “Persecution is limiting of ones rights, which you are advocating and then turn around and deny it. Have some balls say what you mean and mean what you say. Don’t act cowardly and try to run from it. ”
the only people trying to limit the rights of others are fascists like you who support gay marriage…get a clue gomer.
“Government has no place in a religious ceremony. If you want a theocracy move to Iran. ” marriage is a civil ceremony too….damn you’re dumb. you sure want to impose a gay sharia on the rest of you fascist.
“I say Government should NOT be involved at all. You say Government should regulate your religious ceremony and restrict others from practicing theirs. ”
again what BS, then you’re saying anyting goes…..polygamy, pedophile marriages, whatever.
and you never posted your proof that I lied…in other words you’re a liar.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:08pm@Joe Blow
Here is your proof….
“the only people trying to limit the rights of others are the gay marriage proponents. get a clue.”
Total 100% lie. What Homos do does not phase you.
Nothing else needs to be said. Your statement is that obvious and stupid.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:09pm“It only supports gay marriage if you don’t see marriage as a religious institution….Which it is
The government as no rights to set regulations reguarding religious institutions that’s up to the religious leaders and what ever teaching their religion instills.”
Here is the problem with your statement, through property rights, child custody laws, right to be in a partner’s hospital room and make decisions, tax breaks, etc. all of these rights and priviledges come from the government’s interpetation of who is and is not married and has nothing to do with religion. You are arguing making American second class citizens because of who they love.
The Government has no business defining what a marriage is, that is up to the consenting adults.
ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:30pm@ModerationIsBest:
That is simply amazing that a Man who was hung during the Revolutionary War, becoming a spy due to his Christian faith had the time to quote all these anti-Christian statements as well as to quote Thomas Jefferson for a statement he made around 1809, you know considering Thomas Paine was killed around 1777, or do you mean ‘Tupac Shakur’. The reason I ask is because he was dead and has written music with lyric’s from incidents after his death.
Please clear this up for us…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:34pm@okie ““the only people trying to limit the rights of others are the gay marriage proponents. get a clue.”
Total 100% lie. What Homos do does not phase you.
Nothing else needs to be said. Your statement is that obvious and stupid.
”
you’re so full of BS its pathetic. I‘ve already posted my proof you’re just too stupid to understand it…the catholic charities in MA and the doctor in CA would disagree with you…
but you‘re too damn stupid to realize how stupid you’ve made yourself look…thanks for proving again what a liar you are. you pathetic moron.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:54pmHey Joe, you are just a bigotted fool.
Catholic charities, was not shut down, they were not prevented from practicing their faith, they understood a public service, much like running a soup kitchen or a hospital, they were told that they would not be allowed to discriminate, they could not abide by this and shut down their operations. What if it was a muslim soap kitchen that didn’t serve christians.
Same with the Doctor in California, he is licensed by the State to perform a public service, part of being licensed is the duty to follow state laws. Again, it had nothing to do with the practice of his religion, but the duty he had to follow the state’s anti-discrimination laws.
No body’s rights were infringed in your examples.
Joe1234s Gay Lover
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 5:29pmHurry home Joe!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:47pmJoe1234s Gay Lover LOL imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!! you’re the second left-wing fascist stooge BWHAHAHAHAAAH loser.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:52pm@encicom you fascist piece of trash….the catholic charities in MA can no longer provide adoptions…they were forced out of the adoption business by jack-booted brown-shirted FASCISTS like you.
same for the doctor his religious liberty was denied because he wouldn’t do what the gays want…you only want freedom for those you agree with, or its ‘discrimination’ you’re trying to criminalize religion you disagree with…but al know you would never say boo to the muslims you despicable cowardly piece of trash.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:57pm“. What if it was a muslim soap kitchen that didn’t serve christians.”
that would be fine its CALLED FREEDOM…which you obviously hate and fear.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:39pm@Joe
The doc in California and the Adoption Agency in Mass, are both licensed by the state to provide a public service. Rule number 1 about licenses, once licensed you need to follow the rules. The doctor’s religion is not a concern of his patients, he provides a service. If he could live by the rules he didn’t need to become a doctor. He did nothing but allow his religion to get inbetween his oath. Same for the Catholic Charities, Mass has clear laws, they had the choice, operate under the law or do not offer the service.
The reason for the Civil Rights act that the Ron and Rand Paul hate so much is to address similar discrimination, by private entities providing a public service on a racial bases, this is no different. Even the use of religion to justify your bigotry.
joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:27pm@fascist…oh so according to you our rights require a license from the state…guess I missed that in the constitution…
hate to tell ya but homosexuaity is not the same thing as race…and if you think it is then pedophilia and polygamy should enjoy those same rights, because if homosexuality is inborn, then so is pedophilia.
the state denied that doctor and the catholic charities their freedom of religion…the gays can go somewhere else to get artificially inseminated or to adopt a child, but NOOOOOO thats not good enough for you brown-shirted fascists..you have to force everyone to follow your hellish ideology…no freedom of thought or religion is allowed….
Report Post »BATluvs3
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:58amWe did this here in FL.
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:57am“Understand everyone on this matter, this “debate” on the matter of Gay marriage is in reality one more move by the liberals to destroy the foundations of morality in the USA. To force upon each and every one of us beliefs and lifestyles we may not want to associate with.”
You mean the same that people want to force this country into Christian principles? Go back and look at guys like Paine and Jefferson and you will see. The reason people don’t know a lot about history, and don’t want to learn about it, is because it will shatter their perceptions on the formation of this country.
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:44pm@ModerationIsBest
Again, you twist [read fabricate] stories to suit your sodomizing wants.
1) this country was populated, because over in jolly Ole‘ England Catholic’s were being punished for.. being Catholic’s
2) The Declaration was written with the Bible in mind; All men “…which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them,…“ ”…that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…“ ”— And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
3)Articles of Confederation: “Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the Year of our Lord…”
4) U.S. Constitution; “…done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord…”
Must be saddening to be so wrong…and caught at it.
Maybe you should call Al Gore, he is still covering the biggest lie ever… He could give you some pointers
Report Post »encinom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:45pm@ConstitutionalPatriot
It was not the Catholics fleeing England that formed this nation, even than cathoics had little rights, colonies had laws agianst catholics. It was other Christian sects, the Puritians and Quakers, etc. that would form the country, the Catholics were considered papists and agents of Rome.
First you last two point “Year of our Lord” is not a religious expression as much as it is simple for dates were formally recorded and still used today (A.D. is a latin term that translates to “year of our lord”).
As for the declaration, it was written by an agnostic founding father looking to stir passion in the reader.
encinom
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 10:31amHey Joe:
“oh so according to you our rights require a license from the state…guess I missed that in the constitution”
What constitutional rights, where in the constitution does it say you hav ethe right to be a doctor or open an adoption agency? The has set up rules for these endeavors, by going for a license you single your acceptance of the regulations under which you will work by.
Again, the issue is the relationship between two consenting adults. Stop attempting to confuse it with your own hang-ups.
joe1234
Posted on September 13, 2011 at 2:54pm@fascist, so you give up your constitutional rights in order to open a business or become a doctor huh? only in your brave new fascist state.
where does it say in the constitution you have to give up your rights for anything???? hmmmm???
and its rather obvious you cannot answer the VERY relevent point that if you are saying 1 sexual orientation is inborn and deserving special rights, then ALL sexual orientations, including pedophilia, deserve those same rights….
you libs aren’t nearly as clever as you think you are…your inability to respond to my points speaks volumes.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:56amAnother thing that most don’t seem to understand/acknowledge is that God blesses or curses these things — on the nation/state (according to His Word). If they ban it – blessings. If not – curses/judgements. That’s another reason the unbelievers, prochoicers don’t understand about why Christians object so much to abortion – that it doesn’t affect “them”. But first you have to believe in God/Bible, etc. That’s the root problem – a growing rebellion against Him – which explains why they hate the Constitution, Bill of Rights, traditional America – which was based on biblical principles, etc.
Report Post »I pray that NC wins and bans it – not only for their state‘s good but for the rest of the nation it’ll affect.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:23amThe curse of God is triggered when we go against the basic laws of God…this is a very basic law of God. Men are not to lie with men nor women give up their natural affections for men. Satan is trying to reverse Gods laws by saying these things are good and wholesome even when in reality they open up doors that bring on our destruction. When Islam begin to see that America strayed from its traditional roles it became worried, but when it saw we were attempting to export our values then it became violent. Would you want this coming into your nation? Would you not see the threat and be riviled against it? I would.
Report Post »MarketsClear
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:49pmWhat kind of socialist God do you believe in? Christianity is not a social religion; It is based on an individual’s relationship with Christ. You’re as bad as the collective salvation types.
Report Post »LukeAppling
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:56amThe more democrats in a state the more we will see the breakdown of traditional morals, God, liberty, freedom all in the name of “social justice” and “equality”, code words among progressives to break down society and install a godless society with no borders, terribly high taxes for those who pay taxes, the bribing of constituents to gain and hold power….some system, huh? Isn’t it time to take back our beloved country and rid ourselves of the politically correct crowd for the Christian crowd?
Report Post »When we had “one nation under God” we had freedom now we have “social justice” and more and more chains binding us to government “elites”.
DIS3
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:52amREALITY CHECK FOR LEADERS— I find it difficult to understand why, with all of the problems we face that you idiots are spending time on this. Have you no sense of what is important. Do you political hacks know that the CEO of Apple is gay and that your stupid actions may drive away ALL KINDS OF busioness. As a resident of North Carolina I am embarassed by your pandering and small minded view of the real world.. UNEMPLOYMENT IS 10.5 % DUH!
Report Post »randy
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:03amREALITY CHECK FOR @DIS3
I find it difficult to understand why, with all of the problems we face, IDIOT gays go out of their way to push their agenda.
GOOD FOR NORTH CAROLINA!
As a resident of North Carolina I am embarassed by your pandering and small minded view of the real world.. SO LEAVE NORTH CAROLINA IDIOT!
Come live in NY, I’ll trade houses with you.
I’m just disgusted by people like you and the gay lifestyle
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:39amwhat‘s the point of pairing up with someone that you can’t procreate with? it’s illogical.
Report Post »there are many woman who look and act like men, and men who look and act like women… this basically says that the only reason homosexuals are gay is purely sexual. it has nothing to do with what they are “attracted to”… they are perverse and, much like a child molestor or rapist, they just need to fulfill their sexual urges…
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:17pmWho is pushing an agenda?Us or them?We Want Less Government Intrusion!!(Unless it is for queers) We want the the government out of Our Lives(unless it is for queers) The Government needs to stay out of our bedrooms and Mr’s Obama Needs to stay out of our kitchens!!!(unless it it is Queers,or queers in a Kitchen) We Do not want Obama Care!! (Unless it means stopping Queer Sex).We Do not want Government Dictating and Regulating our lives!!Just the lives of queers.
Report Post »NuffSaid
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:51amNC: Have you got the support of the Black Caucus? You do?
Wow…looks like the gayer colors of the rainbow are dimming. Unbelievable! Cultural embarrassment leads to denying rights to a political group that supports black causes. How do you like it gay people? You are the lesser of minorities.
Careful KU KLUX Caucus-Someone will catch yall with yall‘s your pants down below your knees and it won’t be just a “fashion statement”…lol.
Report Post »Junter
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:48amI support the gay marriage ban.
Report Post »Seasoldier
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:12amWe need to stop using the “gay” euphemism to refer to homosexual activities and the associated lifestyle. It is a perversion of the language intended to confuse the issue by implying that there may be something good about homosexuality. This is a typical tactic of the radical Socialist Culture of Death Elitists who employ euphemisms to hide their agenda, e. g., “Choice” or “Reproductive Rights” or “Women’s Health” to cover abortion; “Death with dignity” or “assisted suicide” to cover euthanasia. These are all holdovers from international Socialist movement against which we fought the long Cold War. This agenda only serves to undermine our country. No government, at any level, should be promoting this or any other aspect of the Culture of Death.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:46ami support states rights to choose all laws and regulations… the federal government needs to “Get Lost”.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:46amGod bless States’ Rights. if the minority gay agenda is voted against, that’s it.
what’s next. men who want to marry 6 yr olds? oh wait, that’s already here.. in islam.
Report Post »Dexter Alarius
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:43amThis is what California did with Proposition 8. I don‘t understand how a duly passed amendment to the State’s constitution can be challenged. It’s “Constitutional” by definition. I hope NC succeeds. But, that may not be the end of the issue.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:41am“a lesbian spiritual leader at Pullen Memorial Baptist church ” I guess a church can call themselves anything they want but, that’s not a Baptist church.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:40amUnderstand everyone on this matter, this “debate” on the matter of Gay marriage is in reality one more move by the liberals to destroy the foundations of morality in the USA. To force upon each and every one of us beliefs and lifestyles we may not want to associate with.
In my case, as a Chaplain I personally hold to the biblical teachings of homosexuality is wrong, as is sex out of wedlock; I recognize people have the free will to chose their own lifestyles, and to deal with the Almighty on their own when judgment comes for everyone.
However I do draw the line in this matter for what is Right and Just; the conference of churches I once was a part of decided all their members would have to marry gay couples and to preach the gay life to their congregations.
That day I seperated myself, as did many others, from them forever; I choose to stand for what is right in the eyes and words of the Almighty Father above us all.
Call me whatever you will, I am long past done dancing around the facts of matters; each of us may make our own choices, for good or for bad, just choose…and be ready to deal with the outcome.
May the Almighty guide you into the future.
Report Post »bdwatcher
Posted on September 18, 2011 at 1:24pmYes, you can twist this all you want. Government has no business in religion, determining what is right or wrong within the establishment of religious beliefs. There is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and seemingly so many use this falacy. The government can not govern religion or keep us from religious beliefs and principles. Gay marriage is an abomination toward virtually every religion and if any faith determins so, then do not force responsible to marry two of the same sex or even recognize same sex marriage. Should government legislate same sex marriage, then justice of the peace or a notorized paper will just suffice. Forcing religious faiths to perform same sex marriages is overstepping the Constitution. Even prohibiting Catholic Churches from placing adoptive children by MA should be revoked and responded as to government heavy handed policies. Prohibiting them due to discrimination prohibits religious beliefs, which I am sure there are more that believe than non believers who would love to adopt into this religious faith. Such a shame that it seems everything goes to “personal rights” rather than “human rights”. Same sex marriage is a “personal right” not a “human right” as set forth by not only the religious books but the Constitution. “Personal rights” can offend others, where “human rights” are God (Creater) given. Because your “personal rights” offend me, should there be legislation against this? or against me?
oh, oh… G
Report Post »gr8photoman
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:39amWonderful. Here come the bussed in moonbats to protest their favorite degenerate cause in a state in which they do not live.
Report Post »drago
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:39amBan it, and while your at it, ban muslims……Oh, and unions and communists too……
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:50amAgreed!
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:39amnothing that the gay fascists fear more than a vote of the people…
Report Post »threedoor
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:37amAfter living in the South I have a bad opinion of the Nanny State that most southern states have but this, I support this one.
Report Post »donottreadonme
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:43amIs it a nanny state when the people decide the contents their constitution? That is all this vote is about. I do support the bill to allow the citizens the righ to choose their own guiding legal parameters instead of allowing activists judges to do so.
As far as I am aware of, every state that has allowed their citizens to vote on the matter, has voted to ban same sex marriage. The states that allow same sex marriage, have it forced onto the people by the courts, or by a legislature, that is out of touch with the desires of their constituents.
That is why the homosexual community is opposed to this measure, for they know the general population does not want same sex marriage.
Report Post »WhatsYerProblem
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:37amThe only valid argument against gay marriage is rooted in religious truth (which I believe in, by the way). As America gets further away from its biblical roots and as its people continue to move away from Godly virtue and towards unrepentant hedonism, gay marriage will soon become the law of the land. Also public nudity (like in San Fancisco), pologamy, and on and on. America will build (is building) the golden calf and worship it, even though God’s presence is so close.
Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:41amno thats not the only argument against it.
1) gay marriage will take away religous liberty and freedom of speech from those who disagree
2) gay marriage makes real marriage meaningless which means more fatherless children (as the research in the netherlands proves) and we all know that more fatherless children means more crime, drugs, gangs, etc.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:39am@Joe1234
I’m must disagree.
Imposing one religious view as law over another religious view, whether false in my view or not, is unConstitutional.
Americans believing Government determines marriage undermines God, the founder and sole contractor of marriage, and has led to marriage being nothing but a piece of paper that can easily be voided out leading to more crime, drug use, and social disfunction.
If you believe in God, why do you need Government to declare your marriage? Especially if you believe as the Bible teaches, one man and one woman contracted as one by God.
We can not stop the practice of false religion. We can only practice our true religion and that would be without Government leading us how to and following how God told us to, thru Him.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 12:32pm@okie…so in other words, you want to impose the religon of atheism. please.
don‘t give me that BS about ’imposing religion’ all laws are an imposition of morality,basically someone’s religion.
hate to break it to you, but God establishes governments, and gives them the sword to enforce laws…including marriage laws.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:01pm@Joe
You think allowing someone the ability to choose how they worship atheist? That is just ignorance and stupidity.
Do you think Jesus was an atheist? Jesus forced no one to worship Him, why do you think you should?
‘Congress shall make NO LAW in establishment of RELIGION’
Aren’t you as a Christian suppose to adhere to your Governments law? But yet here you are advocating a law on religion. Contradicting isn’t it?
Replacing God with Government is really making your religion and marriage, Godless, for your taking God’s authority and giving it to Government. Think…..
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:21pm“You think allowing someone the ability to choose how they worship atheist? That is just ignorance and stupidity. ” talk about stupidity…how you get that from my post is ignorant and stupid.
“Jesus forced no one to worship Him, why do you think you should? ” I’m not forcing anyone to worship anything, jackass.
“Aren’t you as a Christian suppose to adhere to your Governments law? But yet here you are advocating a law on religion. Contradicting isn’t it? ‘ only in your deluded little mind.
“Replacing God with Government is really making your religion and marriage, Godless, for your taking God’s authority and giving it to Government. Think…..’ you really need to take off the tin-foil and get back on your meds….
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:29pm@okie I dont understand what you are trying to say about this, clearly God does not condone the act/practice of homosexuality along with many other things. So I see no reason why this law would be a bad thing to implement, clearly people can still voluntary practice such things on their own (adultery homosexuality stealing etc) This law would prevent homosexual marriage from being publicly recognized. Thats it. We are all sinners so supporting this law is not an act of judgement/condemnation. Hold fast your beliefs dont be swayed by the evil one!
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:25pm@Schmit
The state is not the head of the Church. They are separate because the State/Church our founders fled persecuted using religious law as a guise.
Again, a law can not be more “just” then ‘Congress shall make no law in establishment of religion’!
We do not live in a theocracy, we live in a republic where you can worship God, a rock, a tree, your dog, the moon, the sun and everything under it.
Believe it or not, not everyone believes in the same God as you. Our Nation was not founded as a “Christian” nation. It was founded as a Nation of Christians who based Government on God’s moral law, whether that God be “Natures God” or “God of Abraham” is your choice and part of that moral law is religious freedom. (Pursuit of happiness, liberty life)……
What part of ‘Congress shall make no law in establishment of religion’ do you not understand?
You can not be a redeemer, only God can be and you can not force God. You can only go to God willingly.
I just don’t get how people refuse to understand that. It’s shameful.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:37pm“What part of ‘Congress shall make no law in establishment of religion’ do you not understand? ”
you sure don’t understand it obviously…do you think a law against murder is ‘illegal’ under the constitution, since its part of the 10 commandments?? hmmmm??
pathetic.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 2:54pmJoe
I’m gonna say a prayer for you tonight Joe.
You are disrespecting God and he will tell you about it. Take care.
Report Post »WhatsYerProblem
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 3:48pm@Joe1234-
“do you think a law against murder is ‘illegal’ under the constitution, since its part of the 10 commandments?? hmmmm??”
Should the government outlaw adultery? Make it a law to not worship idols? Honor your parents, etc.?
Murder is illegal because it violates the government-given right to life (unless you happen to be nestled all warm and snug in your mother’s womb – then it’s OK). It may have originally had something to do with the 10 Commandments, but it is not just a religious law. So that’s not a very good argument. Many of the other Commandments pertain to followers of the God of the Bible, so since the government cannot make a law that establishes a religion, these would, of course, be a violation of that principle.
Your argument seems to boil down to the idea that gay marriage is bad for families. I think it is obvious that hetreo-sexual divorce (and adultery, abuse, etc) rates prove that the family hasn’t exactly been a bastion of morality.
Banning homosexuals from marriage comes from a place of (mostly) Christian morality. This morality used to be so prevalent in our society that “gay marriage” was a completely ridiculous notion. This morality is on the decline – in case you haven’t noticed.
Joe – your debate skills could use some improvement. Try to tone down the “anybody who doesn’t think like I do is a complete idiot” mentality. More people will probably take you seriously if you show them some respect…
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:08pm“Should the government outlaw adultery?” LOL it still is a crim in many places…and its not against the constitution…..I would say get a clue, but its not possible in your case…
Adultery, in many states, is still a crime
By Jonathan Turley
Across the country, some social conservatives are fighting for what they view as a critical article of faith: criminal adultery laws. In the U.S., in the year 2010, people can still be prosecuted for breaching their marital vows
“Many of the other Commandments pertain to followers of the God of the Bible, so since the government cannot make a law that establishes a religion, these would, of course, be a violation of that principle.”
having a law that agrees with any of the 10 commandments does not ‘establish a religion’ that phrase was meant to establish a national religion like the church of england in britian at that time…states did have state religions
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joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:10pm“Your argument seems to boil down to the idea that gay marriage is bad for families.”
yes it is…and it also restricts the freedom of religion and speech for those who disagree with gay marriage.
“I think it is obvious that hetreo-sexual divorce (and adultery, abuse, etc) rates prove that the family hasn’t exactly been a bastion of morality. ”
oh ok 2 wrongs do make a right…..sure. yeah whats the fate of children compared to the greed of the gays?
oh as far as my debating skills…sounds like you just don’t like losing the argument…poor baby…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 4:21pmForgive Joe blow, he is a little slow….
Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. Repeat it over and over and over and over and over and then you might catch on.
Joe, do all state Constitutions have to adhere to the Federal governing authority? Yes. ‘Congress shall make no law in establishment of Religion’ is part of that, isn’t it? I think it’s in there somewhere……
Please, articulate what Homos thinking their married does to you, besides create fear God will punish you for their sin, which is collective thinking. Same collective thinking as bad BO.
I assure you God will not punish me for your sin and he won’t punish you for Homos. Take some time and think about that. Have a wonderful day slow JoeBlow.
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 7:48pm@okie…are you masochistic/ you must be to continue to make such a fool out of yourself.
you don’t understand the constitiuion OBVIOUSLY…what a buffon…loser BWHAAHHAHAHAH
Report Post »megansmom
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:36amFunny, I don‘t see lower unemployment rates in states that allow gay marriage than in those that don’t.
Report Post »Nice try tho.
dadsrootbeer
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:36amGo North Carolina.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:35amDo the right thing N.C. BTW… no one is afraid of q u e e r s. We just know and admit the difference between right and wrong and have no time for such non-sense. Put it to bed N.C.
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:34amIf this passes, Supreme Court cannot overturn it
Report Post »As it will be in the constitution, therefore it automatically becomes state law
Itchee Dryback
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:56amI doubt it.
Report Post »It’ll be the same old tired “human right” schtick.
PDMacGuire
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 11:45amState Constitutions ARE overuled when they violate the United States Constitution. Denying constitutionally guaranteed rights to certain citizens is NOT constitutional. Communitities should be able to decide and enforce their own laws, but not when they take away personal liberty from any group or individual. As for gay marriage, the only people who seem to want to get and stay married in this country are homosexuals. If you look at Massachusetts the sky has not fallen in the last few years since they legalised gay marriage and the divorce rate is going down.
Report Post »I personally would far rather see them living somewhat conventional, traditional lifestyles than shiftless, single promiscuous lives. Married couples establish roots and pay taxes and paint their houses. But two people seeking legal recognition of their relationship is none of my business, anyway. I don’t worry about people who want to publicly express their love. I worry about people who lead unstable, criminal lives. So should you.
izzy1127
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 1:04pm@itchee dryback: That same ole human right schtick is a terrible thing, isn’t it? After all, it gave women the right to vote, then equal rights to men, then gave equal rights to minorities? Human rights is just a waste of time, isn’t it? And we, as Americans, shouldn’t be pushing Human Rights or Equal Rights to countries in the middle east or places like China. Seriously people, I just don’t understand how “YOU” can pick and choose which rights are ok and which ones are not. I have no problem with women, minorities, and no problem with gays and lesbians. Maybe I’m just not as judgemental as you and most of you on this topic. This is coming from a conservative Liberatarian. Oh yeah, and another one I just love; marriage is between a man and a woman to procreate. So, what do we do with the str8 men and women who can’t procreate? Yeah, take away their rights to get married. You guys and gals actually make this country sound more like China and Iran rather than the US. Continue allowing the Govt. to take away the rights of the people (meaning putting it in law) and you lose even more of your own freedoms.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:27amFudge Packers need not apply
Report Post »MHP
Posted on September 12, 2011 at 10:36amUS Supreme Court won’t be able to overturn it either, so it becomes automatic state law.
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