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Not Everyone Thinks a Confederate Flag on Some Texas License Plates Would Be a Good Idea

Via CBS DFW:

Would you buy a license plate with a Confederate flag on it? State officials are looking at possibly launching a new Texas state license plate honoring veterans of the War Between the States.

Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said that the Civil War may not be something we want to celebrate.

“When many look at that history, we think about it in terms of secession, that is we were seceding from the Union in the southern parts of the country,” explained Shelton. “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure. But when we dig deeper, the issue becomes even more offensive to many African Americans and those that sought freedom for those of darker skin in our country.”

“When you understand the Confederate history, and what it stood for,” said Dallas resident Mark Jones, “it’s directly slapping African Americans in the face.”

In terms of the Civil War, Shelton said that the Confederate flag was actually very un-American. “It was the flag that was flown during a war to actually tear the nation apart,” Shelton explained.

“I don’t think that this will unify us,” said Carrollton resident Carolina Arreola. “Our patriotism is to the Unites States flag.”

But the Texas Sons of Confederate Veterans have renewed their push for a Texas license plate that includes the rebel flag in its design.

Thomas Muhammed founded an organization to recover reparations for slavery. Still, he would not oppose the license plates. “I don’t see how a flag hurts someone, as long as the people displaying these license plates are not killing people physically who are of African descent.” Muhammed said.

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  • UnreconstructedLibertarian
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:38am

    The Confederacy is the subject of such derision because neither the radical left or right want you to study its consitutional provisions of government, or reasons for wanting to be independent. The rightful governmental limitations we clamor for even presently – in both north and south.

    It would pay some of you Yankees to study the abolishionist writings of Lysander Spooner, who constantly excoriated northern legislators for not providing a single topic bill addressing slavery – but constantly using it as leverage to pass fiscally punitive measures against the southern economy. You‘d be surprized to learn Jefferson Davis agreed with Spooner’s essay on the Unconstitutionality of Slavery – yet was always victim to the duality of its mention in Congress as a “means to an end” that had serious ramification apart from the institution.

    While Beck’s tearful fairy tale of the 3/5th clause in the US Constitution being a road to freedom, he overlooks the same language in the CSA Constitution. And, that the CSA constitution in fact contains a “single topic bill” provison in Article I, section 10 ; no doubt in response to the Congressional abuses noted by both Spooner and Davis, as well as other southern leaders of the time.

    In addition, the Amendment process was completely removed from the powers of Congress by SectionV of the CSA Constitution. Only the states could propose or pass Constitutional amendments – and this process was to be initiated at the request of only

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    • maxtitan
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:47am

      We know are history. Obviously we read and research. What is your point? To bore us?

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:18am

      I do not know what “are” history is?

      But I am out to prove the point that Patrick Cleburne was right, and that we’d better pay attention to how right he was:

      “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all that our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”

      This quote given not long before his death at Franklin, TN.

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  • eat-more-bacon-USA
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:30am

    Those who call themselves “African-American” or who use any hyphenated-America term, put America second and insult every “American”. Organizations such as the NAACP should be promoting American history and racial unity rather than attempting to rewrite our history and divide our nation along racial lines. America is the greatest nation on Earth – Americans are the greatest people on Earth – we should strive to celebrate our history and our unique freedoms every day, and in any way possible.

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  • JROCCOD
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:28am

    This is a matter of free speach. I live in the Northeastern United States and I see blacks flying the red, green, and black flag. That flag symbolizes black sepratisim and superiority. Nobody say a word about that. I say if blacks are offended by the confederate flag, get over it. The confederate flag on the other hand id part of American History. I support Texas in placing the stars and bars on liscense plates. It does no harm.

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  • Baikonur
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:25am

    A symbol of treason and slavery. Disgusting.

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    • Grayzel
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:50am

      Yes, if you do not understand history, you are correct. I had a great-great grandfather who fought with Confederacy and defended Atlanta. His brother was a staff officer for Sherman. My great- great grandfather’s brother that defended Atlanta never owned a slave and was a farmer. From his diaries I have learned his motivation. He fought for his states rights, his home and his family. If you think these reasons are traitorous, I pity you. From my other great-great grandfathers writing and letters I have learned he fought to force the south back into the union and bring here into submission. You decide who was traitorous to the Constitution. I have made up my mind and choose to have the Confederate Battle flag flying below the Stars and Strips.

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    • Seede
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:57am

      That‘s because you don’t know your history of this Republic. Either you are not educated or your a progressive Socialist just like the NAACP.

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:42pm

      It was not treason to believe that the federal government was behaving in a treasonous manner toward the states, i.e., grabbing power that rightfully belonged to the individual states, not the federal government. And it is doing the same thing today.

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    • bbuddha
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:06pm

      It was the north that behaved dishonorably. What kind of nod to freedom is to put your tyrants boot on the neck of others so that they will do as you will. Lincoln was an A$$. Left to it’s own devices Slavery would have died a natural death (at it did in other countries) and we wouldn’t have the race issues that we were left with. Do just a little research and you’ll find that the emancipation proclamation came after the war was started, freed only confederate slaves and was a ploy used by Lincoln to get the northern states to fight. There was a serious morale problem with the union. Lincoln was looked up to as a great president; he was a horrible president. He negated much that the founding fathers did to protect us from an overarching federal government. Now look what we are left with states rights are practically non existent

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    • michaelmoron
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:38pm

      @BAIKONUR Scroll up a few paragraphs and read TIME REBEL‘s and UNRECONSTRUCTEDLIBERTARIANS’s Replies. You will get an education. Then spread the word to all your liberal friends.

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  • ENCTARHEEL
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:17am

    We’ve had them here in NC for years. You have to be a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans to apply. It does cost 20 buck more. This is what they look like. Just about the same as the Texas proposed plate
    https://edmv-sp.dot.state.nc.us/sp/demo/special_viewer_civicclubs.htm

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  • Lucyfan70
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:16am

    They trying to do the same thing in Kentucky with the same plate. http://www.wpsdlocal6.com

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  • Time Rebel
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:16am

    I have a U.S. Flag & a Confederate Flag flying at the entrance of my property (I had GGG Grandfathers on both sides of the War Between the USA & the CSA (Confederate States of America). This was not a civil war; it was a war between 2 countires! As I pass by the flags, I am reminded of the honor & valor of the soldiers who marched into battle willing to give everything, including their lives, for the causes they held dear. The South was more than slavery & it did not invent slavery. It perpetuated a system that had been in place, in one form or another, across the planet since recorded time began. Long before the Declaration of Independence, the system of slavery was entrenched in all of the Colonies. North & South alike tolerated its use, as did the Romans, the ancient Africans, the Native American Indians & other cultures of people. Thankfully, slavery was ended & its demise was a shining light in the devastation of the South. Yet, it wasn’t the only light; nay, the determination of the Old South to survive in spite of its wounds has been a beacon of light to Southerners, from the day the beloved Robert E. Lee surrendered, through Reconstruction, to the 21st Century. The aftershocks of the massive Civil War bloodbath have continued for 150 years. I pray the day will come when the Old South will be recognized – not for its role in slavery, but for being a thriving, vibrant & honorable part of the ever-evolving collective history of America – the good, the bad & the ugl

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    • maxtitan
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:48am

      Thank you

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:04am

      Most historians are uncomfortable pointing out that the Gadsden flag flew as a symbol of defiance by 13 colonies who held and endorsed slavery. The Declaration of Independence was signed by representatives from 13 slave holding colonies. The Articles of Confederation was signed by 12, the Constitution was signed by 11 – only two of the former colonies had ended slavery during that period, which spanned more than a decade.

      Both flags are revered by us southerners. Not because of the sad legacy of slavery, but because of thier defiance of tyranny. Real tyranny, that threatens to enslave us all – irrespective of any race – but based on idealogy. Both flags are flags of freedom, the Confederate flag better defines the constitutional limitations of the government better than the former – which are those same ideals I support today. I do not support the Constitutional provisions of slavery that existed in both the US and CS consitution at the time of the conflict.

      Why can we not celebrate the things both flags had right? We all admit, and have corrected, the things both had wrong – slavery. If anything, the Confederate flag means that the people will stand up for themselves in the face of a government that has become oppressive to liberty.

      I say fly it, along with the Gadsden – and point the finger of accusation against the rightful usurper – The Federal Government. “We the People” have awakened, north and south, and want our Consitutional Republic back.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:05am

      Amen Sir, and thank you for stating the truth so well!

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  • boston-rightwinger
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:11am

    The Confederate Flag means different things to different people. I have one. In Taxachusetts I am considered a rebel. I would put the plate on my truck. People that don’t like it really need to grow up.

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  • His Lamb is Satanic
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:08am

    Conservatives should all wear burkas and do the rainbow dances for allah. Same idiots here arguing about nothing, and feeling like they are “doing their part” watching the blaze on glorified television. You people have zero chance after the electrical grid fails. You will all starve.

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  • His Lamb is Satanic
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:03am

    Now HERE’s an important divirsion story!?? You’d better read this! Queers are offended by the confederacy, and their flag. Was this story to counterpoint the rainbow flag story, or the all important stance on Princeofqueer’s take on the burka, and how big the mouth opening should be? Oh blazers, where are your pink gloves and matching panties?

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  • HawkEyeTx
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:01am

    Southern Pride for TX…..NY now has the Rainbow Gay Pride flag so……?
    It does now indicate the proclivity of the residents [but not all].

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  • michaelmoron
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:00am

    Freedom of speech and Religion. So how can they say the confederate flag is wrong? I am a Southern Boy. That is part of our history. Keep your opinions to yourselves and keep your hands off my flag. I don’t play games. F#cking Hypocrites can have the New York Yankees, but imagine if I wanted a MLB team named the Charleston Confederates or Rebels. Double standard crap. What if I wanted to start a White congressional caucus, a NAAWP, White entertainment TV? I would be considered racist. I have 0% tolerance for hypocrites.

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  • searching for the Truth
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:58am

    I wouldn’t ! But, I guess if one had plenty of insurance and hated their vehicle.

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    • TennesseeConservative
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 9:27am

      Get over it. No one wants slavery today. Just think blacks could all still be Africa killing each other, and dying from aids. Thank GOD you are an American, stop trying to force us in your backwards thinking. Sure it was terrible for black slaves, it was terrible for abused children of any age, should we outlaw pictures of fathers, because some abused their children.

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  • Mandors
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:57am

    The Confederate flag is a modern symbol for many working class and poor white Americans who oppose oppression, admire rebelliousness, and appreciate hard fought effort for a cause that might seem hopeless, sometimes on a daily level. It is not part of my history, and it is against my ancestors who fought on the other side of it, but I respect those who wish to fly it.

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:26pm

      A lot of it sounds like moderns of a certain political persuasion who insist that their display of the swastika is just their reverence for Buddhist and American Indian culture. And I suppose your arm is stuck out in the air like that so you can scratch your pit.

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  • Raven42
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:55am

    As someone that lives in Texas I really hope they do not do this. The feelings on this issue are just too raw. It would be deliberately poking a stick into an anthill for no good reason and we don’t need the aggravation.

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  • HillBillySam1
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:54am

    When you purchase a “specialty plate”, part of that money goes towards organizations that benefit from that subject. I have “Pro-Life” license plates on my vehicles, so money goes to pregnancy crisis centers here in Kentucky. There are also plates available for conservation, coal production, and other public interests. Are there groups that would benefit from the Confederate flag plates or would that just be extra money for the state of Texas? I don’t have a problem with it, I am just curious…..

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  • Southernguy
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:53am

    If the rebel flag offends you…………….then don’t look at it ;)

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 6:54pm

      It is the only flag that should be burned on sight. Itt represent the treason of a few and the history of racism and bigotry.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:53am

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    Would you buy a license plate with a Confederate flag on it?

    As long as it would Piss-Off some Democrate Moron, How many can I put on my truck?

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:19am

      I have a US-Confederate.Texas,WV,and Don’t tread on me (flages) on my truck.
      But I would never stick a Queer on my front bumper
      just to piss someone off
      What ever happened to live and let live.???

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    • MIBUGNU2
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:35am

      They have Rainbow licence plates in States I won’t mention…..
      Now that offend’s ME.. goes to show you can’t please everyone
      The Confederacy is part of our History..I dont know where the
      other bullshi** came from, don’t wanna KNOW>>>
      Guess New York can take the Statue of Liberty off their plates
      and do the Rainbow Thing..GAWD !!!!

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    • USAMEDIC3008
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:31pm

      You Aint Buggen Me:

      Semper-Fi.

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  • KICKILLEGALSOUT
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:52am

    Once again the ignorant Yankees have no idea that the Confederate flag in the South has nothing to do with racism but everything to do with Southern Pride, something they can’t understand because they are ignorant Yankees.

    Maybe H.K. Edgerton who is a black man needs to march to DC again to let them know that it has nothing to do with race but everything to do with respecting the South.
    http://sonsofconfederateveterans.blogspot.com/2009/01/black-southerner-marching-to-dc-seeks.html

    I even know Black people that fly the Confederate flag because to us it mean Southern Pride and nothing else, but there will always be those outsiders that have nothing better to do but to meddle in our internal affairs over something they don’t know about and have no business interfering with.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:01am

      I’m a yankee and I agree with you 100% so many people speak of U.S history and actually have little knowledge of the topic,courtesy of the public school monopoly.

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    • maxtitan
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:34am

      Amen brother. History must be remembered good and bad.Slavery has nothing to do with the flag. Slavery has everything to do with mankind dominating the weak. Georgia born, lived in Charleston SC, southern raised. Leave my flag alone!

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 27, 2011 at 10:29am

      The flags deserves to be burnt on sight. It stands for the disgrace of the south and its ignorance, it represents the institution of slavery that the south was fighting for and the ease with which the under educated southern was fooled into fighting for the rights of the rich land holders.

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  • The_Almighty_Creestof
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:49am

    A new flag would be better. The confederacy was about “states rights” which is why they never worked well together in the war…every state was out for its own well being. A state “seceding” is the same thing…which is fine if you are self-reliant and self-sustainable…which none of our states are. You’d also have to be able to stand up to the combined might of the remaining states (the Federal Government) which you won’t be able to.

    In the end, the confederacy was a lost cause from day one which resulted in freeing the slaves…the only good thing to come out of so many lives thrown away on futility.

    The souths final chance rested on France (of all the irony) and hopes that it would officially recognize the rights of the confederacy to exist (somewhat like Israel in that narrow view)…but it all rested on France needing the cotton from the southern states…but since France was now getting the bulk of its cotton from India…there was certainly no gain in making America its enemy.

    Without another respected entity respecting the right of Texas (or Hawaii) to secede and exist apart from the whole…it is all just so much hooey.

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:46am

    I agree . there should be reparations. For all Living Slaves from the 1800′s, full rep’s. For all caucasians enslaved by muslims since 1800. For all current Actual Taxpayers that are slaves to the Takers, (Public Unions, Inner City’s, Farmers with subsidies)
    Anybody but Barry 2012

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:52am

      I volunteer to pay reperations to every slave I have ever owned.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:58am

      Good one.

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    • hi
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:07am

      Reparations are a joke. What if women came forward because we weren’t allowed to vote or to be educated. Women are still slaves in the sex trade here and all over the world. Ridiculous.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:39pm

      Amazing to me how people in the north are offended by this flag!! What hypocrites!! Am a native Texan..small town never had segregation…didn’t understand anything about racial discrimination until I moved up northeast. Ran into it big time up there! Had to do everything face to face, because with my southern accent, everyone assumed I was Black.

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  • wisehiney
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:45am

    True Sons of the Revolution. They remembered when their Patriot grandfathers took them on his knee and said…”Son, we finally got the English tyrants off our back. Don’t ever let another central government tell you what to do again.” Oh well, they tried their very best.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 6:46pm

      They were traitors ******* on the graves of their grandfathers. They fought for the rich’s right to enslave the poor.

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  • Boojer56
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:44am

    freedom of speech!

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    • Southernguy
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:54am

      yep, that’s why I got one on the front of my truck, lol

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:03am

      Do not come to New Jersey with a Southern Flag on the front of you truck, the Cops in every town will stop and issue you tickets. There was a big Mack truck in my town that painted a rebel flag on the front grill. Every day in different town I would see this truck pulled over by local Cops and even the NJ State Police. After a month I did not see that truck being stopped so he must have taken the flag down. You see we do live in a free nation were we we have freedom of speech.

      Do you smell the TEA boiling yet?

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    • Southernguy
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:19am

      You gotta be kidding? Glad I still live in the land of cotton ;)

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    • Partygirl
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 7:44pm

      Reading the comments and orginal article somethings come to mind. First the civil war was about states rights and curbing the power of the federal government. If they were out to destroy the government, then isn’t this current administration that means to destroy our constitution and our existing governmental structure treason too? Like Michelle Obama said, we need to change our history, our culture and our conversations? What is that? The north made it about slavery. Just watch or read the Gangs of NY to get a clue about how the north felt about black people. The north was losing the war, they were taking every immigrant who came off the boats just to have an army. Virginia seceded from the union May 23, 1861. In 1863 Lincoln freed the slaves. If it was about slavery wouldn’t he have freed them in 1861? My gggrandfather fought in the civil war he enlisted June 27,1861 and remained until Lee’s surrender on April 9,1865. No one in my entire family, let alone him had one slave ever. They were fighting for their southern rights and the ever increasing tyranny of the Federal government. History repeats itself. The government is doing the same thing now and they wonder why the economy is not going anywhere. I thought this was still a free country, not as free as it was, but if they want the flag plate let them have it. UDC and TEA

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  • 50BMG
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:42am

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact. If a state can voluntarily join the Union, then it can voluntarily secede.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:56am

      Didn’t Texas have a fight with the Federal Government over collected Federal tax money. Texas could not get the Fed to pay for its legal cost of the Interstate Highway funding and impound all gasoline and other Federal taxes collected. I thought Texas placed all the Federal Taxes in a special escrow fund and drew on it to pay for the Federal share of funding. What happen to that scheme?

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:55am

      The South DID have a right to secede until the racist murderer Abraham Lincoln raped the South and forcibly brought it back into the Union.
      The main reason why the Confederate Battle Flag is demonized today is because it represents a mindset that the fascist federal government wants to eliminate…The right to choose our form of government, or to abolish that government if it becomes abusive of our rights…..

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    • vennoye
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:21pm

      Think all states had to sign the “Secession Proclamation” (may not be the right name) when they joined except Texas….Texas has a treaty that is renewed periodically.

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    • mils
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:01pm

      we can remember the past without living in it……

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    • hud
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 10:24am

      Truthfully, the south has been severely disadvantaged since the end of the war between the states.Blacks have resulted in laws taxing the south that are only applied to us, and many reprisals by the north have been applied to the south and they continue to this very day.

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:41am

    CONFEDERATE FLAGS are very redneck…… but it is part of our history

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:51am

      Most people appreciate and accept the Confederate Flag.

      We do not care what Blacks think about anything anymore. If they don’t like it they can lump it or not look at it. Texas should fly the Southern Flag on all of its State buildings.

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:54am

      Don’t say that, there are many blacks that fly the flag, it is the ignorant Yankees, and Crazies on the West Coast both White and Black that don’t understand that it stands for Southern Pride today.

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    • Conservativeman
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:57am

      They’re not “redneck”. The confederate flag is part of our history. Part of a belief that states had rights and the 10th amendment was the law of the land. Instead, the north invaded a free people and oppressed their fundamental rights. The civil war was not solely about slavery, it was about states rights and curbing the powers of a federal tyranny.

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    • SpankDaMonkey
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 9:59am

      .
      Well Black History Month, MLK Day, and that stupid Quanza piss me off. But I’m forced to live with it. So get over the flag that should have won…..

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    • Wayner
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:07am

      We get fake made up holidays like kwansa and have to hear all that bullcrap about being so proud of African heritage. Well I’m proud of my heritage of being born a Southerner and that my Great great grandfather fought for the Confederacy. And as far as paying reparations for slavery…. go to the ragheads that rounded them up and sold them to the slave traders.

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    • Time Rebel
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:10am

      “Old South” Southerners display the Confederate Flag to honor & remember our Southern ancestors. We pay tribute to the sacrifices they made in fighting back against what they perceived as an attack of their right as a community of people, joined together by a shared culture, to live free from the dictates of what they felt was an oppressive Federal govt. Many Southerners joined the Rebel cause believing they embraced a revolution like the one their great grandparents had undertaken in the 1770s. Many were average farmers or townspeople who did not own slaves but fought & died for their communities & families. Of course, Southerners cannot help but recognize the inhumaneness of enslavement & acknowledge its harmful effects! I have a U.S. Flag & a Confederate Flag flying at the entrance of my property. As I pass by the flags, I am reminded of the honor & valor of the soldiers who marched into battle willing to give everything, including their lives, for the causes they held dear. The Civil War resulted in the loss of over 600,000 people – yes; the utter destruction of a generation of men & boys (and women). Because the Confederacy was defeated, that unique Southern culture was wounded dramatically, never to fully recover. What remains of that culture is often derided by those who may not know or understand history from the perspective of the defeated. They equate the South with slavery & they err in encapsulating the South & its culture in that type of deceptive box.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:12am

      I’m a white native Texan, had a great grandfather that fought for the Confederacy, distant relative of Jefferson Davis (on a side note went to Robert E. Lee High that had the picture of the “Rebel” as our name that had to be removed and changed due to some critics years ago)…..and I don‘t think I’d have that on my plate even though I don’t see anything wrong with it. But that’s just my choice bc I choose not to risk causing some trouble with those that take it as an offense or something, even though I meant no harm.
      Note that the NAACP is a very deceitful, racist organization – Alveda King, niece to MLK is an activist against them, saying they are indeed very racist! They’re troublemakers! And yes, the war was about state‘s rights but many don’t understand all that. Too many aren‘t educated about it and don’t really want the truth anyway…they’d rather stick with their “victimhood” deal, etc.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:18am

      AGAIN…we have a choice. WE can stop being individuals and wearing anything that would be offensive, or having anything that could be offensive and all be marshmallow-robots…or we can STOP BEING SO SENSITIVE and CHILDISH. FOR any BLACKS out there: I’m many generations of Southern. It’s special to me. People in the South are like no others. I’m sure New Yorkers feel that way about New York people; Californians etc. INDIVIDUALITY is what we must have to survive in FREEDOM !! We have to allow EACH OTHER to wear what they want (as long as it’s decent), fly what ever flag (as long as it’s decent) etc. This looking around for things to gripe about has to end.
      The Confederate Flag means “DIXIE” to me. The Civil War had lots of heroes and lots of bad guys from the North as well as the South. The Confederate Flag is Historic. Black people need to remember: NO ONE CAN OFFEND YOU ABOUT ANYTHING UNLESS YOU LET THEM. It’s not meant as OFFENSIVE. (and if it is, so what?!! You gonna be offended by someone who would try to offend you???) (think about that one). “ I wish I was in the Land of Cotton”…. ‘South’ is something in the heart…..it’s strong but guess what is stronger? “Oh say, can you see, by the Dawn’s early light….” now you’re getting serious with me! :) Have a nice weekend everyone! God Bless America and our Troops.

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:22am

      I’m somewhat disturbed by it knowing the history surrounding it.

      I suppose a KKK flag would be more disturbing, the Confederate flag is less disturbing because I am subconsciously partial to the Stars and Stripes and the colors Red, White, and Blue…

      I say leave it be. Black people rock Confederate flags too sometimes.

      A lot of southern blacks fly that flag I think.

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    • heyjms
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:24am

      I guess Americans aren’t allowed to do anything, since everything upsets a black person. I’ll remember that the next time some car goes driving by me playing “Gangster Rap” music extremely loud so my little girl can hear about “b*tches“ and ”h*es”.

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    • capitalismrocks
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:43am

      The civil war wasn’t just about Slavery, that is what the left tries to teach us, even I up until recently always thought it was specifically about slavery….

      The Southern states found out they were being put under the thumb of Northern bankers and the south was really at the time the powerhouse industrialists of the nation, they wanted to succeed from the North and become their own country, slavery was demonized by abolishionists as well, I’m finding that if you really start looking deeply into US history, blacks were beaten and mistreated by some slave owners, but this was not the norm and in fact I’ve come to find there were blacks in public office, blacks involved in the US government, not as slaves, but as Statesmen ! There is a lot of misrepresentation about the South, about slavery and about blacks in US history…. Blacks fought side by side with Whites in the Civil Was and in fact in the War of Independence!

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:49am

      I’m a Southerner by birth and my heart still loves the south. I’ve never correlated the confederate flag with slavery. As I remember most of the history I’ve read, the North were more selective against blacks than the southerners. The war was between the North & South, not started on slavery. The so called North had their share of slaves as well. I always considered the thing against the confederate flag was bunk, as seeing it reminds me of the wonderful days I had as a child in the southern culture. I love the South, and love both of our countries flags. God Bless America!

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    • MIBUGNU2
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:55am

      It‘s Time for BLACKS to get F’N over it, Contrary to popular belief..
      WHITES have RIGHTS too..IF I want to have a Confederate Flag
      on something I OWN thats MY RIGHT..Get a life I haven’t seen
      anyone in CHAINS in some time now.. Seems to me the blacks
      are the Racist’s in todays world..Been a long time since I’ve heard
      NIGG*** used, but they don’t mind calling us HONKYS,CRACKERS
      etc, etc…Lighten UP…This PC bullshi** is really getting OLD !!!!!

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:56am

      IT IS PART OF HISTORY AND ITS NOT RACIST

      That’s like saying Gun Rights is Racist: http://tiny.cc/a5tjn – This by Rahm Emanuel’s Top Cop

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    • fastfacts
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:00am

      PART 2 – IT IS PART OF HISTORY AND ITS NOT RACIST

      It’s like a liberal saying the Tea Party is racist: http://tiny.cc/6wyad – Just because less than 1% in the Tea Party may be racist, the whole group (flag) is demonized.

      Is that why Van Jones is trying to start up his own.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:09am

      It was a flag before the war.
      It is part of history.
      People have pride in their history.

      Just because you disapprove of a part of a culture’s history does NOT mean their entire history is without value.

      Yes, I know of many proud black people who fly the “rebel flag”.

      We do not have the right not to be offended. Instead, we have the 1st amendment which protects our right to say offensive things.

      Having said all that, I don’t think states should use license plates for anything besides identifying vehicles.
      Drop all the ads.
      What’s next? Google plates?

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    • MIBUGNU2
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:13am

      I can understand the Problem in Texas, with people like
      Sheila Jackson Lee as one of their Representatives …..
      ” I’m Outraged”
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THDf3q_1654

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    • Bum thrower
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:20am

      Bet they‘d be all for a ’reprations’ plate; or how about one toting ‘affirmative action forever’; or maybe on that says ‘refugee from the war on poverty’; on any other ‘pro minority, gimme something for free’ program; Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    • Truth Wins Every Time
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:29am

      Conservativeman

      The civil war was because the south had the needed goods that the north wanted and needed. Cotton, etc. And the south said *tough crappy* to the north. To break the south, Lincoln freed their work force [which was a good thing to free the slaves] but it broke the south.
      Look at where the industry was and is still today.

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    • TMan2020
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:46am

      Republicorp, That comment is racist.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:59am

      Secession is traitorous? Each state willing joined the union for the common good and have every right to secede if they deem the relationship non-beneficial.

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    • lovenfl3
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 12:31pm

      I agree, it’s part of our history so deal with it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIOFzLIZjh4

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    • saab99
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:28pm

      I think there are several sides of this issue to look at. One of my ancestors was a poor farmer from Georgia who went to war at about 50, fought almost the entire thing until he was captured and died in a prison camp in New York. He or his family never owned a slave. Ironically on the other side, I have slave owning ancestors that didn’t bother to take up a rifle and fight.
      Someone above said that it was a flag before the war, unless I’m mistaken that is a falsehood. In fact, the flag was devolped during the war, and was never actually the national flag, but used by some armies as the battle flag.
      I think that the real problem people have with it is that it was adopted by the KKK and other racist groups AFTER the war as their symbol. Left representing what it did during the war- states rights, ect, it might not be viewed as offensively. It was the 1870 period on when it was used as a symbol for racism where the hatred really sprung. Another bad side effect of reconstruction.
      All that said, you’d never see me flying the flag, but that’s my choice. If someone wants to then that’s their business. But I’ll choose to honor my ancestors, who probably never actually fought under that specific flag, in a different way.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 1:36pm

      Let me guess .. some of the people who oppose this would also sit in a HATE FILLED black church…. Rev. Wright ring any bells …. it is history .. and states rights .. which we need to get back from an ever intrusive federal government .. like the Constitution calls for.

      TEA!

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    • mils
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 2:31pm

      Slavery……i do believe i have read that African slaves were sold into slavery by their own people…so go pee on their parade….tell them you want your rights…Slavery here happened 150 years ago and they still can’t walk and chew gum without a welfare check in their hands…

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    • V-MAN MACE
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:03pm

      I’m really trying to get to the truth about all this symbolism.

      It appears that the Confederate flag is simply another example of Freemason symbolism hidden in plain view.

      They worship Lucifer.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 4:16pm

      mea culpa on the origin date of the Confederate Flag – I thought it was a variation of the st andrews cross and/or union jack which are MUCH older. Having now researched it, it appears it was developed to differentiate the Conferate States’ troops during the war.
      Regardless, the war was fought for many reasons, and there are still many things in Southern culture that DESERVE to be celebrated. They are still afforded their freedoms and are free to have pride in their culture, just as you and I.
      Slavery was/is not the sum total of their culture or their history.
      The sins of the father are not visited on the son.
      Each man is born with a clean slate – just because 1 person’s ancestor did something your or I disapprove, does not make the decendant any less a man than you or I.
      People need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and stop looking for people to blame for their lot in life. MAKE your own life. Often life is not fair.
      We’ve all been treated unfairly in life at one time or another.
      MEN pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and carry on!
      Victimism is shameful and irresponsible.
      MLK Jr. stated, in his famous “I have a dream” speech, that he dreamed of a day when men would, “not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
      Can we PLEASE fulfill his dream?

      My reading shows that only 24.9% of Confederate households owned slaves.

      They fought for their lives, families and states, and property rights, not just fo

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:06pm

      Swastika in Germany and the raising sun in Japan were not allowed after WWII in those countries
      This was enforced by the working end of a American rifle
      The Confederate Flag, Swastika and the raising sun were not banned here after those wars
      You can fly these flags but if some righteous indignation comes your way don’t be surprised

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    • dnnyshdy
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:08pm

      Iy means nothing.It’ a southern flag.If you read more than that into it you’re an idiot and too damn sensitive.It doesn’t mean that someone wants to string up a black man if they have this flag.Good lord,this stuff is getting ridiculous.

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    • Rightsofman
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 5:14pm

      The stars n’ bars was not the national ensign of the Confederacy. It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

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    • JfromColorado
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 6:56pm

      There is a lot to be said about symbolism. I am southern by birth and proud of that fact. But symbols can mean different things to different people. After all think of all the meanings of the crucifix. Not that it means that because someone interprets a symbol in a bad way means we can get rid of it entirely, just that we should not set out to cause division amongst ourselves. We the People have a right to do many things, but we also should be aware that all actions have consequences. I wish to be clear, I’m speaking broadly here, not condemning the use of the Confederate flag. For most it simply is an expression of southern pride. And a possible good outcome of this is to cause a dialog that helps people understand the history of the Civil War.

      Mace, thank you for educating yourself and not rushing to condemn because of the possible connotations of this symbol.

      Please to all my fellow Blazers who are lashing out at the black community, stop. We stand for higher ideals than reactionary anger. I have known many blacks that feel unease at that flag because they have met with racists that use it as a prominent symbol. That is understandable unease. I am uneasy when I hear the word ******* used. It is a self preservation instinct. What we need to do is peacefully educate, and stand for truth. A soft word turns away wrath. We know evil people use false stereotypes to condemn us, but lets not stoop to their level.

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    • JfromColorado
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:07pm

      I should also point out that there are many people in our society that are simply ignorant. Not willfully, though there are many of those as well. They simply need to understand the truth of the matter. But if we do not speak the truth in love, what happens? Do we win the argument. Yes, but what does it matter? If we cannot be the beacon that draws others in, we will lose. I love my country, but that extends to my fellow countrymen. And there are many who have been deceived. That must be remedied, and it requires us standing strong in both the truth and love.

      I know many here are anticipating violence in the coming days. I’m sad to say I too think it will come. But while fighting for truth and justice is good, it should grieve us that it would be neccessary. Lives will be lost. And while we may win in the end, there will be a terrible price to pay. Not only will the evil and willfully ignorant be forced to face that fact, but so will honest people whose crime will be having been lied to throughout their lives.

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    • DixieCol
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 7:52pm

      When you have ancestors like I do who left what they were doing to go to the defense of their State, their families, and their homes when they were being attacked by Lincoln’s 70,000 Northern troops, and the flag under which they fought was the Confederate battleflag, you don’t tend to believe that the Confederate flag is nothing more than a “redneck” symbol.

      I had 3 ancestors from Charleston that came from a merchant family (not plantation owners, not slave owners). In 1861, one boy left medical school to enlist as a Private, one boy left The Citadel to enlist as a Private, and one left a job in his father’s store to enlist as a Private. In 1864 the first boy was a 2nd Lt in his infantry company and was killed when he was shot in the head during a charge against Federal breastworks at Drewery’s Bluff, Va., the second boy was mortally wounded when he was shot through the lungs while serving as a regimental Sgt Maj at Calhoun, Ga., and the third boy was the only one to survive the war. The family lost everything they had in the war–their sons, the father, and their family business.

      No, the Confederate battleflag means a lot more to me and others like me than just a “redneck” symbol, and it certainly is not “an odious blight on the universe” as the NAACP descirbed it in a “National Resolution” passed by them in 1991. It is about bravery, honor, and fighting for one’s beliefs.

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    • Deuteronomy22
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 8:38pm

      American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 11:59am
      Secession is traitorous? Each state willing joined the union for the common good and have every right to secede if they deem the relationship non-beneficial._______________

      No, The Civil War established just the opposite. Those who wish man get a front plate with the Stars and Bars to show their southern pride. No need to stir up emotions with a government sanctioned plate. It should be noted that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers were not slave holders and were not fighting to keep slaves.

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    • adventpro
      Posted on June 25, 2011 at 10:42pm

      The Confederate flag was not just flown by white soldiers. There were also African-Americans that fought on the side of the Confederacy. There is an essay called “Black Men In Grey”. Check it out. I also so a photograph of some Confederate veterans in Charleston, and some are Black. Here is some other information that never gets talked about when you take a carriage tour in a historic southern city. Free African-Americans owned slaves.

      I think the Sons of Confederate Veterans should be able to have this plate. Who cares if it offends a few.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:30am

      The confederate flage is the flag of traitors. Its belongs in our history along with the Klan robes and the Know Nothing writings.

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    • encinom
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 12:39am

      Nothing more than inbred rednecks, that need to be reminded about the last time Sherman visited Georgia.

      The South were traitors, Lee and Davis should have swung from their necks in DC. The Confederate army like the tbaggers of today was filled with the un and under-educated idiot who was lied into fight against their own interests and for the interests and property of the Rich.

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    • Hobbs57
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 2:10am

      @ Enicon – hahahahahaha — Your such a loser…… hahahaha Tell me Enicon, what cause have you taken up in this life in order to validate your existence and give you purpose ?? Please tell me that posting on Blaze ISN’T IT ?? I mean, if it is, wouldn’t it be so much more fun to go throw glitter on people or graffiti oil tankers ?? Or is that your full time means of validation, saving the earth. I am really interested to know. I always wondered what those enviro wack jobs would say when I asked them their thoughts if an asteroid smashed out planet and wiped out existence as we know it. Would they say they, at least they died trying ?? As if there is some recorded history or something, or when they go to heaven … oooppps wait, oh yeah, they don’t believe God or heaven.. What would you think enicon ?? or do you believe in God ?? or have a faith ?? Or are you like most intellects who are scared to death of dieing ( though you are in denial about this) with all your actions and thoughts deriving from the flesh and based in fear. Fear that you will not live ?? I find it interesting how this fear drives you, yet, you are so far removed from this reality because of how cushy your life is, denial sets in so that you can play God in you life. You see, that reality we call truth, freaks you out as you realize if you really did have live, exist in this world, you are so absent any ability’s or wisdom to actually survive, you would seize to exist…. Please , respond… not

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    • hud
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 10:15am

      Blacks aren’t smart enough to figure out that slavery is why they are alive.Hint to blacks get a passport and visa, head ‘em up, move ‘em out.

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    • deadb4red
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 11:18am

      Here is something to think about. Didn’t slavery exist longer under the Stars and Stripes, than the Stars and Bars? Also, if my memory serves me correctly, wasn’t the term redneck based on farmers and laborers who WORKED out in the fields in the sun.

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    • Jimbo Wales
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 2:12pm

      The confederate flag has nothing to do with slavery; it’s about the 10th amendment. That’s what the war was fought over.
      While the particular issue was slavery, the Union was wrong. Winning basically nullified any power the 10th amendment had.

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    • mikem1969
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 8:13pm

      The flag represents the fight for STATES’ SOVEREIGN RIGHTS. Nothing more. But of course minorities consider it racist.

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    • dscon
      Posted on June 26, 2011 at 8:29pm

      damn racist rednecks!

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    • Lawlcat001
      Posted on June 27, 2011 at 12:30pm

      Non-racist hispanic guy posting here! Secession was the best idea ever. When gov’t tries to tell you what you can and cannot do, it’s time to dip out. Just saying: WE NEED THAT FLAG IN HISTORY. IT SHOWS THAT AMERICANS STILL HAVE THE POWER TO -DEFY THEIR GOV’T-

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    • snuss
      Posted on June 27, 2011 at 11:25pm

      The war of northern aggression is part of American history and unbenounced to historical revisionist it had very little to do with negros.

      To put it in prospective a slave was farm livestock no different then a horse or mule.

      The war of aggression was not fought over farm livestock I know y’all will have a hard time understanding the truth when lies have so much more political clout.

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