Not the Main Stream Media Narrative: We Are Democrats – We Accept the Bible…NY Dem Rep Ruben Diaz Leads Hispanics in Bronx Rally Against Gay Marriage

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  • LightvsDarkness
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:46pm

    Democrats??? So there are a couple who haven’t sold their souls. Good for them.

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  • Deda1
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:43pm

    I do believe I will donate to his campaign. Finally a good Democrat.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:28pm

      Don’t be a rube. He’ll still vote for any opportunity to spend this country in to bankruptcy!

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  • trooper
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:42pm

    Hispanics believe in god, so as a matter of course do not believe in gay unions or what ever the current administration wants to call it this week, mayby barry’s plan is not going to come to fruition and will come full circle, only to slap him in the face in due time.

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  • ItsallaboutJesus
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:39pm

    I hope they speak loudly and often.

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  • bruce_baker
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:39pm

    We are a country full of contradictions. Our Constitution gives us the best form of government yet devised by man, and yet our collective I.Q. is low enough to supprt a circulation for “The National Enquirer”.

    The apparant awakining of these Democrats is a good sign. Perhaps they’ll eventually make it all the way to full conciousness. The Democrat-Socialist party has a philosophy and an agenda. Their philosophy is that they, the elites, know best and will dictate that to the rest of us, the sheep. Their agenda is, “Git ‘er Done!” and they will step on anybody and trash any custom, belief or law, including the U.S. Constitution to accomplish that agenda.

    Want to see what society looks like after 50 years of loving Democrat-Socialist control: Look at Detroit. No jobs because of the anti-business policies of government, high crime and an illiteracy rate of almost 50% due to the Teachers Union and the Public Education Monopoly. Don’t forget, you get all that and higher taxes, too!

    This country will continue it’s ride down the tubes until the majority realizes that morality, personal responsibility and conservative values are needed to get us back on track.

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  • Debra
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:39pm

    I love seeing Americans marching for our rights.

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    • Bhaub
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:52pm

      The right would be the right to marriage FOR gays. This is similar to marching against black people. It’s not about giving people freedom, it’s about taking it away. So much for your small government, freedom-loving Tea Party tripe.

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    • magikot
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:15pm

      What rights? Marriage has never been a right in America, it has always been a privilege that has come with certain perks. By attempting to limit these privileges to Americans because of your homophobia, you’re trying to create a second class of Americans, much like racists did with Blacks and Asians. The governments cannot force Catholic churches to violate their precepts and marry homosexual couples in a House of Jealous. That decision would be left to the dioceses, churches, and priests themselves.

      I’m busy trying to get the government out of my life, I don’t need to be bothered with trying to get your religion and collection of myths and rituals out of my government as well. Stop trying to force your bronze aged religious beliefs on others, and you‘ll find you’re much happier.

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  • capecodsully
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:38pm

    Talk is cheap. You can say you believe the Bible all you want, but when you vote for dems you are voting for the murder of the unborn, homosexual marriage and children as young as five years old indoctrinated in the public shools to accept everything from homosexuality to communism.

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    • devilhasforktongue
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:29pm

      I see your another space cadet!!! I’m not afraid of gay marriages, middle eastern, Black or Hispanic Americans. What i am afraid of are you idiots… I wonder if Obama was white would he go through half of this. Considering you’ve had white men in office for years and they have ****** it up just as bad as he has. Remember the white man has sold more secrets about American than Obama has…

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  • trooper
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:35pm

    Know how people throw rice after the weddings? Gay couples should get showered with stones or high power rounds, what ever makes them “good” is O.K. with me.

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  • Marylou7
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:33pm

    Praise the Lord. Now how do they feel about abortion??

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:15pm

      It’s well and good but, where the rubber meets the road is how they will vote. It might make them feel righteous to demonstrate but 90% of them will vote democrat again. Hypocrites.

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  • GardenoftheGods
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:32pm

    Did you know…most Hispanics who come here LEGALLY are very, very CONSERVATIVE! Don’t lump everyone in a “group” together..most people are not lemmings…….

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  • cntrlfrk
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:32pm

    Lemme guess, they believe in small government, and fiscally responsibility too??

    So why are they democrats again?

    Oh, yeah, open borders.

    .

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  • JJBlazeReader
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:32pm

    ..
    God Bless you. You are fighting the good fight. Thank you for taking a stand in the middle of a very liberal city and a very liberal state. That is courage and remember you are not alone.

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  • smak
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:25pm

    @Main Stream

    It’s mainstream.

    Flame me – this is fun!

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  • DJ in AZ
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:22pm

    Nice to see Democrats supporting Christianity and the natural family. It gives me a little hope for our society.

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    • The_Bees_Assume
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:33pm

      Whoa! If people start to think they could have morals, they might get a bigger portion of our voters to join them!

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  • usnconstitution
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:21pm

    this won’t get any press in the media…
    This does not met their agenda. They would rather reject G_D and his son, to do things that is right in their eyes and not the G_D’s. The media will silence this type of speech then to let it out. They will call it hate speech, as the nation needs more speech not less. G_D help us all, pray…

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    • smak
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:36pm

      @this won’t get any press in the media…
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Google News: Ruben Diaz gay marriage – there are plenty of mainstream press articles.

      You guys say this all the time- it’s never true.

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  • i want the truth
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:20pm

    Oh my send in the UNIONS!!!

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  • kickagrandma
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:17pm

    HALLELUJAH! Good news, Democrats for GOD! Now, there’s a very happy thought!

    Good to see you all out and about. We will stand with you to save our country.

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  • I.Gaspar
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:17pm

    Wow…democrats demonstrating for something decent…Isn’t that against the law?

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  • texasderek
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:16pm

    About time. I guess they will all be labeled “gay haters”
    Wonder if the gays will want to deport them ?

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  • Showtime
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:15pm

    I may faint!

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    • The_Bees_Assume
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:29pm

      On the other threads, there is some chatter regarding Catholics not being conservatives. Guess this proves that theory wrong! Now the dems seem to be getting our Catholic voters! Is West a catholic? or married to one?

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    • chfields62
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:51pm

      OMG a “sane” democrat…gotta be a fluke…..

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    • Code_Orange
      Posted on May 19, 2011 at 2:01pm

      Show is ignoring you, dude! TROLL!

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  • icareabouttheusa
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:15pm

    Nice to hear but where have you been???

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  • Living4Him5534
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:14pm

    Sometimes I love me some traditional Hispanic Catholic/Christian values. You may be able to fool them about getting government money, but not about government values!

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    • vennoye
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:30pm

      Did you notice how many Black People were there with them. Blacks are very opposed to gay marriage among people who do not attend churches like Jeremiah Wright’s. Good for all of them!!

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    • devilhasforktongue
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:24pm

      More stupid rhetoric by people who are obviously clueless… Some of you are up here calling people illegal but if we check the history books we are all illegal here. But then again HIS-STORY!!

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    • HillBillySam1
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:27pm

      @VENNOYE
      That is why you probably won’t see this march in the lamestream media……and especially not on MSNBC……with all of those minorities marching in defense of traditional marriage, they can’t use the “racism” card to denounce it…..the charge of “racism” has now become the Progressive fall-back position since they can’t honestly defend their own agenda……

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    • crackerone
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 8:46pm

      Devil

      Think you and smak should go lay in the corner and have a time out. Maybe you can even touch each other like those in the cover picture!

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    • crackerone
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 9:22pm

      @Devil and smak

      Take the adult baby guy and rub yourselves with him!

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  • biohazard23
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:14pm

    Ruh-roh, Shaggy. Looks like somebody just went off the reservation.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:14pm

    Well then, guess what? You’re not Democrats. Not for easy to get, government funded abortion either? Yep, you got it, you’re not Democrats. Wise up.

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  • PrfctlyFrank
    Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:10pm

    I knew it.. I knew they weren’t all a bunch of brain dead morons..

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    • DocGDC
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:16pm

      There had to be at least one good one.

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    • Showtime
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:16pm

      You mean there’s actually hope?

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:18pm

      I have a better idea of how to solve the problem of gay marriage.

      Take the government out of marriage contracts, dismantle the IRS so tax benefits become null, and make marriages verbal contracts between two individuals.

      Not only does that reduce moral hazard created when government is involved in marriage, but people will not get upset at “gays” getting as many perks as “normal married couples”. Since the agreement is word of mouth, it at that point, is as significant as you want marriage to be.

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    • JohnGalt
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:20pm

      It’s the far left thats has been the issue all along, not the typical Democrats.

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    • Mannax
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:24pm

      LIBERTARIANSUNITE
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:18pm
      I have a better idea of how to solve the problem of gay marriage.

      Take the government out of marriage contracts, dismantle the IRS so tax benefits become null, and make marriages verbal contracts between two individuals.

      Not only does that reduce moral hazard created when government is involved in marriage, but people will not get upset at “gays” getting as many perks as “normal married couples”. Since the agreement is word of mouth, it at that point, is as significant as you want marriage to be.
      _____________________________________________________________________

      I like this idea. When are you running for office?

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    • let us prey
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:29pm

      Where was the opposition?

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    • scuba13
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:29pm

      They all voted for Obama and all of them will vote for Obama again no matter what . See you in November of 2012.

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    • The_Bees_Assume
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:31pm

      Does this mean the Dems will get additional votes?

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    • Sgt.Crust
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:32pm

      I’ve NEVER understood the Hispanic Democratic vote, other than to open the borders! I say great for them on this issue! But I also say all illegals must leave, I don’t care if your a sweedish dish or a iranian mud pie…GET THE HELL OUT! Come back the legal way and I’ll extend a hand of peace, otherwise, you are the enemy of me!

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:37pm

      @MANNAX

      That is the approach that Ron Paul takes so,

      he is running for office right now!

      Honestly, the only thing he says is take the government out of the institution of marriage and allow churches to proceed with marriages.

      He also wants to abolish Income tax, so why not combine both ideas.

      I really think people get offended at gay marriage simply because they feel it allows them perks by defaming their opinion of the institution of marriage.

      Solution? No more marriage license, and tax breaks.

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    • Debra
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:43pm

      I am inspired and moved. Amen

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    • fulcrum
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:43pm

      Actually, most hispanics are conservative in nature and have conservative values.
      The only reason why they side with Dem is because they’re promissed hand outs, and because they’re not poilitical intellects, most never come to realize that about 75% of what Dem support is against their principles.
      Also republicans are always demonized by democrats in hispanics circles

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    • jdog777
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:54pm

      principles and values…. common ground for ALL men!!

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 1:58pm

      @libertariansunite -

      Nice idea in fantasy world but there are property rights to consider – thus requireing more than a verbal agreement.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:02pm

      LibertarianDivider,
      Your ideas on marriage are almost as misguided on the very nature of the institution as that of the gay community. Govt needs to sanction marriage because marriage isn’t simply a contract about feelings. Property rights, which the govt MUST be involved with, in order for anyone to preserve theirs, are fundamentally included in a marital contract.
      You can’t just whisk that part away and hope everyone will honor all of their agreements, or else you end up with pre-modern societies where only the strong/well-armed have rights.
      Better to argue against homosexual marriage from the standpoint that the state’s interest in families (yes, it has one!) is not served by re-defining marriage.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:02pm

      @kaydeebeau

      No not true, not if you reduce marriage down to a verbal agreement.

      If two people decide that buying a property, they want to legally establish that one or the other has a certain value to it, there are legal agreements to address, at which they can address. (I know its crazy, having people hire their own lawyers and taking care of their problems.)

      I think the only one living in a fantasy world, are the individuals that believe that we cannot function without government assistance. How many tax breaks did married couples get before the institution of the income tax?

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    • devilhasforktongue
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:20pm

      Now we just have to straighten out those devils and the world would be a better place!!!

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    • libbsrnuts
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:23pm

      Don’t be fooled by this. Do you see any liberal opposition to this, i.e. union thugs? Do you hear MSNBC going off on this? You won’t either. Obama’s poll numbers in the hispanic and independent voting blocks have taken the biggest hit – he needs to gain voters back in both segments. Between now and election 2012, the adminstration and friends will go all in to bring them back on board. This is a much bigger voting block than the gay population, which he has a lock on. Bringing religion and an anti-gay message into play, or even condoning it, from a few “rogue” Democrats, fits right in with his campaign strategy.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:24pm

      LibertarianDivider,
      Your ideas on marriage are almost as misguided on the very nature of the institution as that of the gay community. Govt needs to sanction marriage because marriage isn’t simply a contract about feelings. Property rights, which the govt MUST be involved with, in order for anyone to preserve theirs, are fundamentally included in a marital contract.
      You can’t just whisk that part away and hope everyone will honor all of their agreements, or else you end up with pre-modern societies where only the strong/well-armed have rights.
      Better to argue against homosexual marriage from the standpoint that the state’s interest in families (yes, it has one!) is not served by re-defining marriage.
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      @HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN

      (May be a double post, sorry if so)

      Ok we are gonna take this nice and slow. There are these people, called lawyers, who know much about legal proceedings and how to set up legal contracts.

      SO if you got married to someone, and you were concerned a property distribution, you could….
      hire….a……lawyer…..set…..up……a contract.

      I know it is weird when you do things by yourself without the government.

      Next time: Try thinking OUTSIDE the box.

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    • coladude
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:28pm

      Bunch of morons with no moral.

      http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:29pm

      Thank God there is a miracle at hand, and an awakening taking place. Hope indeed is still alive in the people of the land across all areas and states.

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    • Obama Snake Oil Co
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:43pm

      Be honest, I am registered democrat but my party left me years ago. Carter was the first to let me know what I had in store for me. I trained as a nuclear engineer and graduated at the top of my class. Carter had destroyed the nuclear industry just as I was entering it. I have never voted democrat again except in local elections.
      When I see the damage that has been done to blacks in America, I blame it on the DNC. Is it me or do you see this trend…keep blacks on welfare so they cannot make themselves better or get better don’t educate them. Allow them to have babies so they will have to stay in the system and stay out of the way of people that want to work. If they complain…give them more, but keep em quiet. Don’t force them or make them get out of the system. Make no law either. We the DNC, will make it sound like we have compassion for you and your plight and fight for your right to stay there on food stamps and on the government dole. Just don’t try to get into the job market and compete with us, the working class people.
      How many years and generations has this been going on? You take their ambitions away, you took their hope away, worst, you took any dreams they might have had away. I was one of the lucky “mutts” to get out of the system as my father was a soldier. I have seen a lot, heard a lot and spoken to many of this. It is taboo with democrats to talk about it…its not on the table as there are more important things…like gay marriage….

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    • southerngal
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:46pm

      Marriage is meant to be the “Physical Representation of a Spiritual Relationship”. It has always meant that Christ the Bridegroom will come for His Bride and that we are to make ourselves ready. We are to are to become one in our marriage emotionally and physically to another. Homosexuals cannot physically be as one regardless of their emotional attachment. But they wish it were. that is why they practice mutual masturbation. Their emptyness will never be filled no matter how much they try to imitate Gods design for us. When a man and a woman come togeather there is always the opportunity for life. But when two of the same sex come togeather there is never life, but the opportunity for death and disease via multiple partners. This is why monogomus marriage is the best for health, family, emotional stability and society. Monogomus homosexuals? I think not, its almost never the case.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 2:47pm

      That’s great to hear.

      And for those who oppose Ron Paul for President because he thinks government should stay out of marriage, his position is DIFFERENT than saying that gay “marriage” is normal or good – he’s actually a die-hard heterosexual!

      Ron Paul simply wants the federal and state governments to uphold the Constitution.

      Ron Paul 2012! I’m going to write him in, if I have to.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 3:00pm

      The funny part about this whole ordeal, is people fall into this trap.

      They do not like the idea of gay marriage, and because they feel they can impose their will upon someone else, they give marriage an arbitrary definition of marriage, so that they can claim “gays” can’t get married.

      Again, these “pro-constitutionalists” dismiss the fact that the federal government cannot make that mandate.

      A free state isn’t however what they want, they want a theocratic state, with a little free market in between. What they don’t realize is that like it or not, “gays” are going to continue to be in society, and they are going absolutely no where.

      Instead of demonizing them, if you really want to change them spiritually, express your concern to them in a civil manner. If they reject it, you have done your duty as a christian.

      Furthermore, struggling with a sin, in God’s eyes is equal across the board. You can claim your “holy crusade” against gays, but in God’s eye, a compulsive liar is just as guilty as someone who professes homosexuality.

      All in all, “homosexuals” in society is another non issue, solely because, if the dollar crashes, and the economy fails, the amount of chaos and retribution in this country will rip it apart, regardless of “gays marriage status” or not.

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 3:02pm

      LibertarianDivider,
      O K. S L O W I T I S T H E N.
      There are these people called lawyers. They know about things called laws. Hence the word “law” in their name. And laws kinda have a little bit to do with a thing called a STATE.
      You don’t even know what the box is, in order to think outside of it.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 3:11pm

      @HAPPYSTRECHEDTHIN

      Again, sigh, you can have legal contracts without marriage. I can make a legal contract with my brother about some work agreement, or fill in the blank.

      So the idea is, if you are concerned with property distribution, if the marriage fails, make a contract.

      If you are not, don’t make a contract.

      Regardless in the countries eyes your still considered an individual, thus for any form of tax purposes (hopefully no income tax) you are treated the same if you are married or not.

      Which, creates no incentive to for individuals to hold hostility towards “gays who are married” unless they simply don’t like “gays” because of their personal habits.

      Get a clue man, bring a gun to a gun fight, not a water pistol.

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    • american1st
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 3:35pm

      pandering to the catholic Hispanic vote, judge them by what they do, not what they say!
      they will say anything to be elected…

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    • bornbitter
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 3:58pm

      @Libertariansunite

      You’re idea would be a good one, except that the government has a vested interest in protecting Marriage as the promoted and viable method for reproduction. i.e. Stable kids make better citizens and having a growing population is in the best interest of the Nation/state… you add in property rights etc… and there is a very compelling argument for legal respect and protection of the traditional family, children, etc… Otherwise, you end up much like France, Germany, England, and most of Europe, where they only maintain population through immigration… their culture is dying, their governments are unstable, in a large extent to the massive influx of arab/islamic immigrants.

      This is also the claim of the Mexican-(American) movement, that they’ll simply wait until they are the majority through immigration and child birth, and then take over. Regardless of who is growing/immigrating or diminishing… it simply is not a stable structure for government.

      No. Government has a legal vested interest in officially recognizing and sanctioning traditional marriage. Let the states decide if there is any ‘meddling’ or changing to be done with marriage, but I only see an argument for the Federal Government to jealously support and protect traditional marriages.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:09pm

      Everybody lean on the Project Gunwalker scandal HARD!

      Eric Holder is probably going to be exposed by Congress for his involvement in this scandal, and it just may expose those in the White House, as well.

      For those who don’t know, Project Gunwalker is what the government has been using to try to make it easier to take away our right to keep and bear arms. It’s a manufactured crisis to be taken advantage of by the Progressives.

      Check out this article, and show it to others!

      Grassroots rebellion in ATF ranks grows at CUATF as HQ tries to ratchet down on the coverup. Whistleblower Rene Jaquez provides Calderon interview.
      http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/05/grassroots-rebellion-in-atf-ranks-grows.html

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    • HappyStretchedThin
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:15pm

      LibertarianDivider,
      Fine. You want to divorce the issue of property from the issue of commitment of feelings. Great. What is marriage then? You’ve re-defined it as something it’s not. It’s not simply a statement that two people want to be together. And it‘s not merely the joining of two households’ worth of property.
      You’re arguing in circles.
      And why do you insinuate that I have hostility for gays just because I oppose them re-defining marriage?
      You blindly accept that free individuals will respect each other, with no regard to history or the proper context for the state’s involvement in marriage and all contracts having to do with property.
      And all that’s before children enter the equation. Do you deny that the state has an interest in the children’s welfare?
      Marriages without state sanction occur in many places around the world. Without exception, those are places where women don’t have equal rights to men. Do you want that kind of society? Do you think it’s simple coincidence that states strong enough to impose the rule of law also require registration of marriage among other things?
      If you want to argue tax law shouldn’t be preferential to married households, fine:make the argument. But there’s no need to destroy the institution of marriage to do that. In any case, tax law favors are the least the state can do to compensate women for the choice of staying at home to raise children, in my view.
      p.s. Paul is consistent on liberties, but clueless on dru

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    • siebegorman
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:31pm

      There’s no hope, they are pulling another fast one, just wait and see.

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    • Dustyluv
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:34pm

      That is where they stand on gay marriage. I am sure they are conservative on abortion too. But why get excited? They can change nothing.

      Illegal immigration…they want open borders and they want to make us spend money on Bilingual publications. They want free healthcare and for taxpayers to educate their lowlife kids. They are nothing more than Democrats. They will still vote for BHO. Count on that.

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    • dizzyinthedark
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:40pm

      I am happy you have come out and taken a stand. You have a back bone! We need more of this. But please, please, please! Why is this guy speaking in Spanish? Why is he not speaking in our native language? ENGLISH please!! Speak ENGLISH!

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    • Kitsune
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 4:40pm

      Mannax has it locked down. He knows how to handle the situation perfectly.

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 5:02pm

      @HappyStretchedThin,

      “Do you deny that the state has an interest in the children’s welfare?
      “Marriages without state sanction occur in many places around the world. Without exception, those are places where women don’t have equal rights to men. Do you want that kind of society?”

      Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, so the source of society’s interests comes from the people, not government. And marriage exists apart from government, so government shouldn’t regulate it at all.

      And like someone else said, if you want to make a contract with someone regarding the marriage, then you can go to court with them on the basis of the contract.

      The slippery slope of government interventions is that you start losing your freedoms. We have to be very careful about this.

      All Ron Paul wants to do is head the executive branch of government according to the powers derived from our Constitution. Our Founders were wise, and set up the general government with innumerated powers, leaving the majority of the powers to the several states.

      If you want to retain your inalienable rights, then vote for Ron Paul in 2012.

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    • logictrumps
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 5:19pm

      The Democrats are a party comprised of strong conflicting interests. I do not believe so long as the more radical progressives rule the Democrats they will be able to absorb and hold on to the hispanic voting bloc.

      At some point hispanics will see the progressives trying to tell them how to live, trying to pervert their children with glbt studies in gradeschool, trying to tell their young women not to have children and if they do, let the gov take care of you & keep the man out of the home or any other subversive nanny state junk. Even better can you imagine progressives telling an independent hispanic business owner he has to spend $50,000 to update his business under the guise of “environmental sustainability”? The progs will get run out of town.

      It will be interesting to see how much the Pelosi San Fran crowd can bite their lip and go along with all of this as a means to an end and worry about sorting it out later. At some point in the future the Democrat party will come apart at the seams and no amount of handouts will be able to keep it stitched together.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 6:43pm

      @HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN

      My “theory” again is not something I have heard Ron Paul advocate personally. The only thing I have heard him advocate is to pull government out of marriage period.

      So then playing on that idea, if it became a verbal contract then the value of marriage is determined by the two individuals consenting. Marriage becomes as important as it is to the consented. So if both parties value marriage little, that is what they receive. If both parties put much stock in marriage than that is what they will receive.

      You are correct in assessing that most states require licensing. They can do this, and they have that authority to impose on their people if the people consent. This however, brings up these marriage problems that we have today with today’s population. Everyone want’s an equal promoted status that comes with marriage, your proposal suggests we ignore the homosexuals, mine suggests we take incentive from the use of marriage, making it a personal commitment under the light of a church. So that is why I would almost want to see getting rid of government intervention on that level.

      Children become a different issue, yes people need to be responsible for their children, but your arguing that having children and marriage go hand in hand today. Laws for children’s rights is not guaranteed through marriage laws.

      *Cont…..

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    • rrider
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 6:43pm

      WOW….Democrats taking a stand I can agree with!!!! The end must be near

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 6:49pm

      Cont….

      To further explain my stance on the children, through their birth they are guaranteed rights by their parents, even if two people are married, or divorced, or simply see each other casually, they are guaranteed that both individuals take responsibility. Marriage and childrens responsibility is not always one in the same.

      In response to woman being abused in relationships, I am sure there are many cases here in America where woman are denied their rights by abusive men in both marriage and in relationships. I don’t see where you pit this specific causation.

      Try and put it in the perspective of the individual. If you consider marriage a truly sacred thing, then you as an individual should treat it as such. To suggest that mass chaos would ensure here in America because others do not treat it that way currently (which is already the case) is another “The Sky is Falling” tactic.

      To reiterate on your “well you are defining marriage as one way, and as another way..” Listen, marriage should be defined by each couple individually. If two people want to make marriage sacred they do not need the government to help them make it sacred. If two people simply consider it a partnership then that is how they will live one way or another. Instead of being focused on how someone else may value marriage, if you believe it is sacred, make sure you value it, because that is all that matters.

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    • LibertariansUnite
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 7:05pm

      @BORNBITTER

      I am sorry I did not see your post, here is my rebuttal:

      Let me first and foremost say that you are absolutely right in saying that states can interfere in marriage if the population consent to it. However, the byproduct of that causes many problems in that aspect, so this is just a simply idea how to avoid that.

      Your also correct in the intent of marriage licensing, etc etc, as an incentive for reproduction. However, advances in the medical field and the way we live almost guarantees that underpopulation will not be an issue for quite a while. So is there any purpose in that incentive anymore?

      In reference to your immigration: What you perceive is not always reality, I cannot imagine how immigration will produce more children then the legal population already here. There is currently much incentive to have children in this country (which I am not arguing is good or bad) simply because of the welfare state. Most single mothers find they generate more personal income due to having more children, by more child support/more welfare.

      So fearing that we will stop reproducing is not very valid in my humble opinion. As far as traditional marriages and families, I think the PEOPLE need to support those ideas, and spread their influence, not a government entity.

      The “stable kids make better citizens” is an interesting argument, but I don’t think a very valid one. If individualism was pushed more in this society, instead of entitlement, it really woul

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    • obama-mecca-me-sick
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 7:30pm

      I wonder how they feel ’bout illegal immigration…

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    • DoGooder
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 9:24pm

      Don’t kid yourself…they all like the rump rangers

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on May 18, 2011 at 10:49pm

      OOPS Looks like the progressives pushed their agenda to far.. MOST Latino‘s are CONSERVATIVE those that aren’t are playing the left to get AMNESTY.. it’s time they stood up..

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    • Melvin Spittle
      Posted on May 19, 2011 at 2:20am

      If you are a believer in the Word of God AND a democrat, you will soon either leave the party due to direct moral conflict or you will need a life time supply of “buy 10 get one free” punch cards for psychotherapy sessions.

      The DNC will never change and when they look to their left and then to their right and see the militant gay agenda, rabid feminists, jack-booted socialist union lovers and baby killing freaks on either side of them, they will look to the GOP and finally see the light of truth that is inspired by the Word of God. The Democratic Party is an advocate of evil as proven not by my declaration, but by their Godless actions and associations.

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    • savior
      Posted on May 19, 2011 at 7:59pm

      I had a conversation with a couple of gay men a while ago. I told them they are not a part of history or a new kind of race. The only thing about them is how they have sex. I told them to read Romans 1: 24-27. Anyway they are just fooling themselves.

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