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‘Not Very Christian’: MSNBC’s Bashir & His Panel Slam the Catholic Church’s Response to the Contraceptive Mandate

Martin Bashir Panel on MSNBC Slams Cardinal Dolan & the Catholic Church on the MandateMSNBC’s Martin Bashir has plenty of opinions when it comes to faith and politics. His typically-leftist perspective on these issues is often corroborated by a panel comprised of like-minded individuals who tend to agree with his every whim. Tuesday’s show proved no different when Bashir delved into the Catholic Church and its ongoing debate with the Obama administration over the infamous contraceptive mandate.

(Related: MSNBC‘s Bashir Slams Mormonism’s ‘Racially-Segregated’ History & Defends Obama Against Black Liberation Theology Claims)

The segment commenced with clips showing Cardinal Timothy Dolan weighing in on the ongoing battle and the potential service cuts that Catholic leaders may make as a result of the regulatory change. Additionally, Dolan also maintained that the church didn’t want this fight and that leaders simply hope “to be left alone to do the work that Jesus asked” of them.

“If these mandates kick in, we’re going to find ourselves faced with a terribly difficult decision as to whether or not we can continue to operate,” Dolan said. “As part of our religion — it’s part of our faith that we feed the hungry, that we educate the kids, that we take care of the sick. We’d have to give it up, because we’re unable to fit the description and the definition of a church given by — guess who — the federal government.”

Martin Bashir Panel on MSNBC Slams Cardinal Dolan & the Catholic Church on the Mandate

Bashir, of course, wasn‘t buying into Dolan’s commentary. The television host responded by bringing up the $2.9 billion that Catholic Charities received in federal funding back in 2010 to showcase the tight fiscal relationship that exists between the government and the church.

“They don’t seem to bristle at the hand of government when it comes to money, do they?,” Bashir later commented.

Throughout the segment, Mother Jones’ David Corn, the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart and Democratic strategist Krystal Ball joined in to share their opposition to the church’s views on the mandate.

(Related: University of Notre Dame, Dioceses Sue Obama Admin Over Contraceptive Mandate)

“There‘s no satisfying them on this issue and clearly they’ve decided to use this threat as an attempt to essentially bully the president and the administration into getting their way,” Ball claimed.

Corn, though, had some of the harshest commentary regarding the church’s handling of the situation.

“It strikes me as just not very Christian, if I can say so, to get out there and say, ‘We will not be providing services if you force us to do these things — or if there’s a mandate,” Corn said. ”Would Jesus take his fish and a loaf and go home?”

Watch the dialogue, below:

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  • pawley
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:38am

    Jesus would probably remove his sandals and walk away after he turned over the tables in front of the people who were handing out government mandate pro life and abortion brochures on the steps of any given church.

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    • USPATRIOT101
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:58am

      as government mandates evolve, folks will question one’s Christianity because they object to the government mandated brand of tampons forced on them. Barry “barack” needs to get out of our lives.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:09am

      Hey bashir,
      would Jesus fund abortion,would he deny a father a say in wether or not his child is born,would promote premartial sex,would he promote gay sex,would he hand out needles to junkies,would he steal trillions from tax payers,would he hire and promote on anything other than merit,would he promote slothful behavior…..would he promote a democrat….NO..IS THE ANSWER

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    • G-WHIZ
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:11am

      1] The [fish-and-loaf] wereNOT paid-for by everyone else!!
      2] “…and Jesus chased the money-changers out of the temple…”

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    • starman70
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 11:03am

      @JOHNJAMISON:

      He certainly wouldn’t hire or promote any on the IDIOTS on MSNBC. They are the modern equivalent to the Pharisees and Saducees.

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    • FormerLib
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 11:21am

      So, to recap: Bashir’s idea of “being Christian” is for Christians to abandon their understanding of Scripture and the commandments of Christ himself, and accept the mandates of people who neither understand nor believe Scripture and show no outward commitment to God. Being a “good Christina”means not being a Christian at all.

      Got it. .

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    • K Chad Roberts
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:02pm

      The solution is actually pretty simple for the church. Just stop taking government money. This whole fight is pointless.

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    • DavidInStLouis
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:10pm

      K CHAD – it’s NOT “that simple”. The Federal Government is FORCING their hand to participate in abortifacient methods of “birth control” that result in a dead human, AFTER the egg and sperm have been joined to create a new, unique human being.

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    • TH30PH1LUS
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:34pm

      Martin Bashir said: “where’s compromise in this?”

      Martin, you don’t understand the term “taking a moral stand” do you?

      David Corn – regarding your “fish/loaves” comment: People can actually DIE from starvation. No one to date has ever DIED from living a sexually pure life. Please.

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    • Amos37
      Posted on May 24, 2012 at 7:28am

      Is there anyone who isn‘t forced to do something they don’t want to do by the government? i know i am. The Word of God says there will be two beasts in the end time and they will fight against each other, and it also explains the two beasts. False government and false religion. Finally the false religion is starting to rear it’s ugly head against the false government which also runs contrary to the laws of the True God.

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    • smokegray
      Posted on May 24, 2012 at 8:54am

      i just don’t understand how these so called churches are allowed to exist? most break the very commandments they teach. just like the catholic church worshiping the virgin Mary. does it not say in the ten commandments to have no other God.and not make any graven image? how about the rest of the churches? how many so called Christians teach their children about Santa clause? isn’t that a lie? thou shalt not bear false witness? what of the so called preachers that cheat on their wives or have sins of the flesh? and just how many con men preacher are out there with their hand out looking for cash? How are the masses supposed to believe in teachings when false prophets are free to victimize without recourse? just like the very popular King James translation. even though his intentions for the translation was a noble cause he did not believe in the teachings of the very book that bares his name since homosexuality is an abomination and he was a known bi-sexual? but people are supposed to just have blind faith? if you believe in the words of our creator and his son. and his promise of a paradise on earth, then why do we let these so called preachers continue? or elect evil men to govern our lives and take away our liberty, freedom, truth and justice from our garden?

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    • MYGIRL2000
      Posted on May 28, 2012 at 12:53pm

      You may be right, because He is Jesus Christ and not you. He told you to“ GET THE PLANK OUT OF YOUR EYE BEFORE REMOVING THE PLANK OUT OF SOMEONE ELSE EYE”. Jesus Christ also told you, “THOSE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE”. And I believe you are just as much a sinner as anyone else. If not, you would be in Heaven with the God and all the other saints.

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  • essay
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:37am

    Anything to keep the focus off of the real problem, which is the infringement of religious freedom. It didn’t happen with this mandate. It has been gradually eroded by all of the court decisions favoring athiests’ rights, banning prayer in schools, etc. The Catholic Church has to take a stand on this, or we will no longer be America. Remember, Obama, over the millenia, many dictators have wagged their little weenies at the Catholic Church, and have been demolished. Be very careful when you try to confront the Church.

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    • doomytram
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:53am

      Pathetic Idiot, Obama surrogate Bashir, has just isolated himself for the last time. The Obamunist in Chief Axelrod is going to off Bashir soon. Nobody cares about Bashir’s life getting taken away by his Puppet Master, but any Catholic who would vote for Oblamer now doesn’t have a function brain.

      It’s great! It’s terrific! Obama Axelrod have isolated (Catholics, Hispanics, Black folks, Woman, Indians, Asians, White people, and all other Religions except Muslim)

      The Obamunist is going to try to win re-election on Dead People (thanks to Holder and NO ID to Vote) Illegal Aliens (thanks to Holder and NO ID) and Ridiculous Leftist 20%

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 11:50am

      you should have seen the clown protest “o stand with the sisters” in seattle yesturday. pathetic leftist tools who speak about what they do not know….Jesus. sickening. bashir needs to be deported

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    • essay
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 3:07pm

      I’m a lifelong Catholic, and I’ll stand with the Church to the death for religious freedom. I never thought it would ever come to such a dire pass in the US, but now I’m not so sure. I’ve lived through some of the best years in US history, and what I see now is breaking my heart. I’m glad my parents and grandparents are not alive, and I pray daily for my children, grandchildren, and my country. God Bless America.

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    • SREGN
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 4:41pm

      I’m reading a book by Ray Comfort about the way Hitler assisted by his National Socialist media took over the churches and twisted church teachings to support the dictatorship. The 700 pastors who resisted were murdered and several hundred more sent to the death camps. The parallels to Obama and his left-wing media cohorts is chilling.

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  • broper
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:36am

    True Christians follow Jesus, and the Bible tells us that just as Jesus did, we are to love the sinner, but we are never to love the sin. Martin wants Christians to kind of love the sin too, and that folks is measure of his morality and his lack of understanding as to who Jesus really was, and is, to the Christian. I am not a Catholic, but I stand with my Christian brother Tim Dolan. Martin you can either pick up a Bible, and see what it means to be a Christ followers, or crawl back under your favorite rock.

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    • Watcher1952
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:59am

      Oh my …if Uncle Martin even touched a Bible….his hands would be set on fire….. What do you expect from a Muslim……notice the new word now is “Bully” if you don’t agree 100% then you are a bully……What a trogladite he is

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    • Bluebonnet
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:46am

      This Bashir has to be the most filthy minded person on MSNBC, but I digress: he’s in the running with the others on that station. This whole thing aches my heart, but GOD KNOWS who you are.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:34am

    I do believe you have to be ignorant to follow MSNBC and Obama. You are lacking in Biblical knowledge and lacking in the history of the world. You couldn’t possibly follow these progressives/marxists and know any of the above. I am Catholic and did not vote for Obama. If you listened to him, knew anything about his history, you would have known what was going to happen. Those that did vote for him were naively sucked into his hope and change not even knowing what the heck hope and change meant. Really sad.

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    • sawbuck
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:41am

      Does anyone but mush minds…. Watch this marxist mouthpiece..?

      I can’t wait for this network.. …..to go belly-up.

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    • scrudge
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:49am

      AMEN well said

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    • P8riot
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:13pm

      @NHWINTER –

      Well said. In order for these guys to be able to fully control society, they need to eliminate/diminish religious freedoms – which allow loyalty to and dependence on God rather than government.

      I am a Mormon, but I firmly stand side by side with the Catholics and every other religion in defense of religious freedom!

      Please read this excellent speech on religions uniting to protect all of our religious freedoms. Yes, it was given by a member of the Twelve Apostles from my church, but it was given at Chapman University School of Law. His credentials to speak on such a topic are impeccable (Elder Oaks is a graduate of Brigham Young University (1954) and of the University of Chicago Law School (1957). He practiced law and taught law in Chicago. He was president of Brigham Young University from 1971 to 1980 and a justice of the Utah Supreme Court from 1980 until his resignation in 1984 to accept his calling to the apostleship.He has been an officer or member of the board of many business, educational, and charitable organizations.)

      http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/elder-oaks-religious-freedom-Chapman-University

      Here’s another excellent speech on religions uniting to protect religious freedom given by Cardinal George at BYU:

      http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/cardinal-george-addresses-religious-freedom-in-speech-at-byu

      Time to UNITE to protect our freedoms!

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:53pm

      @NHWINTER

      It is time for Christians to set aside their doctrinal differences and understand what is happening.

      Religion is an impediment to the new society Obama and the Progressives are trying to create.

      I saw on Pub-D-Hub a movie from the 30′s (I think) portraying the ideal community of the future. In it, the church was replaced with a school as the center of activity.

      We have differences in our interpretation of the Bible – some even have additional scriptures. The Left is aware of our tenacity to defend our separate denominations and they are using that to divide us.

      We must recognize what is happening, put aside our differences and unite to defeat this agenda.

      You believe what you want and allow me the same privilege. We are not enemies because we differ on whether priests can be married, Saturday or Sunday, wine or grape juice, sprinkled or dunked. We have a common thread of believing that Jesus is the Christ. Let’s build on that foundation, for we are told it is a foundation that cannot fail.

      Unless we do that, we are in danger of loosing our freedoms.

      We are all Catholics now.

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  • Rampart
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:32am

    Why do people continue to point cameras at these hopeless rubes…?

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    • copatriots
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:44am

      Agreed! Or pay them for their idiocy? I know their viewership is low but…….who actually watches these shows?

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 11:03am

      Because it reinforces the ideologies of other hopeless rubes.

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    • bigspike
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:33pm

      it’s probably because, after listening to the ignorance spewed by Basher, Madcow, and Tingles, the average person feels like a freaking GENIOUS in comparison

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  • JMJSS
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:28am

    This is hateful. They clearly have no understanding of the Catholic Church. If they wanted to be really fair they should have had someone from the Church to explain. Instead they spin it the way they want to those who have no clue on Church beliefs. First of all birth control is not a health issue. It prevents pregnancy. Last I checked, having a baby is a gift, not a disease. This is easily preventable by refraining from sex. But I guess that can’t happen because we are out of control animals with no free will when it comes to sex. Second, this is not really about birth control but freedom of religion.

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    • essay
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:42am

      Very well said.

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    • Beckaj
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:02am

      They want to take away consequences and conscience. Once we have a society without those 2 things, we need a government to control us.

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    • DavidInStLouis
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:01pm

      Excellent post, JMJSS!! :D

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    • snooop1e
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:06pm

      Yes very well said indeed. Monkey DNA is 99% identical to human DNA. One thing that separates us from monkeys is self control (free will) Liberals (and even some “christians”) have worked very hard to convince people thatwe are just animals and it isn’t possible to control our sexual urges, that there is no way anyone can remain chaste and that we are all slaves to our flesh (in bondage) Some “Christians” even teach that things like artificial contraception, sterilization, IVF, masturbation and even abortion are not only necessary but in some cases are the “christian” thing to do. There is a (very dangerous) trend emerging where “christians” are compartmentalizing their faith in Jesus and saying that we can follow Jesus and still be in favor of things like abortion and gay marriage because our “politics” are separate from our faith and we are already “saved”. It’s good to be a Christian in church but even more important to be a Christian OUTSIDE of Church. Not everyone who calls Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom but ONLY those who DO the will of the Father in Heaven. As Christians we have to ask ourselves honestly if things like masturbation, gay sex, sterilization,IVF, contraception and abortion lead us closer to the Lord? As Christians are we supposed to do everything possible to live for this life or lay down our lives for Jesus in the hope of resurrection? Lord have mercy Eph 5:3-12.

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  • sixtysix
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:25am

    I wonder if Bashir would tell a Muslim he wasn‘t being Islamic if he didn’t bomb somebody. To tell a Church that when they uphold what they believe to be the interpretation of Scripture that they are not Christian is to suppos Bashir knows what a Christian is. I don’t believe the Bible forbids birth control in the Church; but, I know it forbids murder of babies. When we get to the point we allow liberals to determine what is religious enough to be afforded Constitutional protection we are in deep trouble.

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    • DavidInStLouis
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:07pm

      And as many in the media forget, the Church is against the mandated birth control because many of the prescribed methods are ABORTIFACIENT (sp?). Many of the methods that would be MANDATED result in the death of an ALREADY fertilized egg. That’s an abortion. Thus the Church isn’t behind it.

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  • biohazard23
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:24am

    I guess Obummer will now try to make vegans eat meat, kids with peanut allergies eat a Snickers bar, diabetics consume Pixie Stix by the dozen, and muslims eat pork products.

    Oh wait, he wouldn’t do that to the muslims.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:40am

      Morning girl,

      Would be funny if it weren’t true. I always say if they’re willing to kill babies in the womb………

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    • biohazard23
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:28am

      Good morning! And you got that right…..

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:24am

    Bashir is nothing more than one of obama’s muslim propagandists – his (White House-scripted) opinion is meaningless – he has an agenda; obama’s agenda.

    If we are to survive as a nation, obama must be removed from power.

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  • Trenaway
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:23am

    I love how liberals invoked God, which they hate, to try to prove their points!

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    • rickc34
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:38am

      True. On this site I see many liberals posting on the hot topics dealing with God. Most claim to be atheist or agnostic which is their choice. Working in hospice I have seen both die and it is not pleasant. They are angry at God whom they do not know for something that happened in their life. They do not understand that as Christians we cannot and will not comprimise our principals. We know love because we know God. We must be of strong character and show them love like God loves us but not give into pressure and stand for what God is against. We are not perfect and stumble in our faith daily but Christ is there to pick us up and put us back on the path that one day will lead us home.

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    • JimL
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:35am

      Rick, Thank you.

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  • Azzman
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:22am

    I am almost gleeful of what each Catholic voter is getting now with their Obama vote.

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  • Azzman
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:21am

    I am almost gleeful of what each Catholic is getting now with their Obama vote.

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  • Deckle
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:21am

    Remember Bashir is an Islam so can you believe anything he says and of course he is bias!

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  • lynnissmart
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:19am

    He doesn’t like it here in the United States of America….so the thing to do is GO HOME!!!! Got that Marty…..go back to where you can live a commie life…….!!!!! ASAP

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  • gbfreak
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:19am

    This idiot is judging Christians? Please……..

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:42pm

      Bashir was actually born in London to a Pakistani family of Christian descent. He has obviously and seriously turned his back on his Christianity heritage.

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  • mrunner
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:18am

    I am proud of the Catholic Church for taking a stand. For those lefties- the answer is always more goverment and big government is always right. It will take more than just the faithful of the Catholic Church to make a big enough stand to effect the changes we need, but it is a start. In the words of Glenn – “We are all Catholics now”.

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  • sparkspeaks
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:17am

    Is Bashir an Egyptian, a Muslim, or both?

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:16am

    Churches (the earthly, denominational local groups of believers) need to get out of bed with the government. My own Baptist denomination is being silenced by the tax exempt status. It is time to just pay the full taxes and be free to preach God’s Word.

    This goes for ALL of us throughout secular life. Start turning down the entitlements and exemptions and government would no longer hold any sway over anyone.

    Never happen though…We are doomed, we are well on our way down that slippery slope.

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    • Lonescrapper
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:33am

      If churches start paying taxes, so should all 401C3′s and every PAC and Campaign Committee, etc.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:40am

      Maybe we ALL should start paying taxes? Better yet, maybe a scheme like the fair tax would work better?

      In any case, the tax exempt status is a sword hanging over the church’s head. They a
      re being silenced because of it. It is also my experience that even the smallest country churches can raise impressive amounts of cash. Simply paying the taxes should not be an obstacle to most churches.

      We need to get out from under the thumb of the government. ESPECIALLY the church.

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  • Desert Dog
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:14am

    Another brainwashed talking head.

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:14am

    Nothing makes me laugh harder than liberals referencing the Bible. It’s like listening to Meghan McCain talk about quantum physics. Thanks for the laugh MSNBC! If you think these guys suck at Jeopardy, wait until they on Foxworthy’s new Bilbe Trivia show! lol

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  • hi
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:14am

    The Catholics voted for Obama because they believe in social justice, the poor has a right to take it from the rich. I hope they see now that giving the government control of one’s life is not a good decision.

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    • drphil69
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:21am

      F.U. I‘m Catholic and I didn’t vote for that ****.

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    • hi
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:30am

      Wow that’s pretty vile.
      If the Catholics voted for McCain, McCain would have won. It’s a fact. I should have said “Most” rather than “The.” But, your FU reply is “not very Catholic!”

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:32am

      Actually the Catholic position (or any Christian for that matter) concerning Social Justice bears no resemblance to the Marxist postion of Social Justice,

      The Christian ideal of social justice is basically a just society cares about the “least of these” through personally attending to those needs (Good Samaratan story for example) or through pooling the resources of a group of individuals through the corporate structure of a body of believers (The Church). This is called charity and is done in response to a heart connection to God.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:34am

      drphil69
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:21am

      F.U. I‘m Catholic and I didn’t vote for that ****.
      ————————————————————————
      Lol

      Anger management anyone?

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:56am

      In a less strident form, I am a Catholic and did not vote for Obama. It was clear that his character was lacking. A lot of Catholics voted for Obama because they are union members.

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    • hi
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 11:26am

      Kay
      You are wrong. My kids go to Catholic school. It is nearly word for word that:
      Society makes people poor.
      Charity is diddly squat.
      Therefore the poor have a RIGHT to TAKE IT from the rich.
      Wake up!

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:53pm

      While the marxists have infiltrated some congregations of the church, (the Pope fought valiantly to remove that from the So American body and works to do so in the rest of the body) The over riding position of Catholism and the broader Christian church is not the marxist definition of Social Justice

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    • hi
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 1:18pm

      Kay
      Why not just call it “charity” then as it is called in the Bible? “Social Justice” is not in the Bible, but “everyone loves a cheerful giver” is.
      SJ has a strong, negative connotation where people are forced to compy rather than people being loving and compassionate toward others.

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    • by faith
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 5:36pm

      Hi
      Not everything you hear should be taken at face value. A deeper look into the numbers from the 08 election show the numbers are tainted with race and immagration issues:
      Support for Obama in 2008 (US Census Bureau)
      53% of all voters
      94% Black Protestants
      89% Black Catholic (Vote based more on race than religion)
      75% unaffiliated
      71% Other minority Protestant
      71% Other minority Catholic (Hispanics were not going to vote for McCain)
      52% less-observant white Catholic
      55% less-observant white protestant
      41% observant white catholic
      41% observant white protestant

      Observant refers to voters who report attending religious service at least once a week.

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  • Beckaj
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:12am

    ”Would Jesus take his fish and a loaf and go home?”

    If he was forced to sign a contract with the devil in order to be able to hand out those fishes and loaves, yes he would.

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  • Ars21689
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:12am

    You have to remember, if he really is a Christian, he is still a progressive first.

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  • gsplgtr
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:12am

    So when does the Obama administration tell the Jews they must now eat pork? The First Amendment to the Constitution states that the federal government SHALL MAKE NO LAW to the establishment of religion or prevent the FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. The Catholics believe certain things to be SIN and therefore cannot go against what they believe to be the foundations of their faith. Sorry Barry, for a constitutional “perfesser” you really are stupid!

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:10am

    Martin, He actually chose to be crucified rather than buckle to the will of the Jewish leaders. He could have recanted everything and avoided it. So in a sense, he did take his fish and a loaf and go home to His Heavenly Father.

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    • momrules
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:18am

      Well said Gonzo………very, very well said.

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    • mrunner
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:20am

      Gonzo- That was absolutely beautiful! Thank you for that post!!!

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    • Beckaj
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 9:27am

      Amen.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 10:57am

      I forgot to mention his other option. He could have called down an army of angels anf wiped the whole lot of us out, but He didn’t because he loves us…for some reason.

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    • DavidInStLouis
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 12:25pm

      Glad you posted that good reply, Gonzo. : )

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    • bigspike
      Posted on May 23, 2012 at 2:55pm

      tru dat, Gonzo…like He said, no one had the power to take His life; he willingly laid it down-even (especially?) for those who curse and revile Him

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