‘Why Are You Traveling With Stormtroopers’: Protestors and Supporters of Rep. Allen West Clash at Town Hall
- Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:00pm by
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We’ve already reported to you how Rep. Allen West, when confronted with a transparent ‘gotcha’ question, pushed back hard on the questioner in a town hall today. But what you probably didn‘t know is that the story doesn’t end there – as it turns out, the town hall in question quickly degenerated into a very tense situation, with security escorting several protesters out, shouting, and a few blows both from supporters of Congressman West, and from the protesters themselves.
Biz Pac Review has no less than three videos depicting various stages of the confrontation. First, there’s a video depicting protesters being thrown out, described by Biz Pac Review this way:
A half dozen officers from the Boca Raton police department were on hand to run interference between West supporters and those who West said were hired by “the San Francisco billionaire” from the Credo SuperPAC but the real scuffles (and yes, I mean plural ) began, as they often do, during the audience question period where a woman interrupted the Congressman to argue her point on gay marriage. When approached by West’s security, the anti- West crowd began to loudly complain about the security team’s tactics, calling them storm troopers and accusing them of “Gestapo-like” behavior.
As you’ll see from the video, “gestapo-like” might be a bit of a stretch. Moreover, as West himself explained, he wasn’t employing security in that manner out of fear for his own personal safety (a lieutenant colonel in the army doesn’t have a lot to fear from a disorganized mob), but just to prevent another Gabby Giffords situation from happening.
Ironically enough, West was so unafraid to engage in dialogue with the protesters that he engaged one or two of them in long one-on-one conversations, and good naturedly swatted down the ones that only came to scream at him. Examples of both exchanges were captured in this video, where West responded to a questioner who accused him of having no solutions with the line, “Put me in charge of this country and I’ll show you solutions.”
Unfortunately, however, these exchanges turned out to be foreplay for a particularly nasty verbal and physical exchange which occurred as West was mingling with the individual participants. BizPacReview sums up the incident this way:
Not one to back down from a fight, West said, as he was surrounded, “I’m gonna stand right here.”
The words became physical when a West supporter with a cane responded to a woman who used profanity toward a man by shoving her and threatening to hit her with the cane. Police were around, but did not act forcefully with any of the people attending. One man, an anti-West protester, gently bumped the BPR camera person twice, purposely trying to intimidate.
In the interests of fairness, one must note that West’s supporters behaved just as disruptively in this final exchange as did his detractors. However, one person at least managed to do nothing whatsoever untoward or embarrassing throughout this process, and that was Allen West himself. Kudos to the Congressman, considering how awkward this entire town hall was.





















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blackyb
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:13pmThat old lady got her cane after that punkett. She didn’t want anyone pushing her husband. She has the right kind of gumptions. Way to go lady. Beat heck out of her. Lol.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:57amthe commies are out in force and we will see more of this from the left.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:00amTh young lady was losing the argument between herself and an older gentleman, so she cursed at him and shoved him. I would have threatened her with my cane, too. When Liberals start to lose, they always turn to cursing and violence. We have a right to defend ourselves.
Report Post »venerablebede
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:25am“Why Are You Traveling With Stormtroopers?”
Because he is a fan of Star Wars?
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:35amGlenn had a coversation with West about NDAA, right here on the blaze
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-becks-passionate-interview-with-allen-west-over-indefinite-detention-bill-stance/
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:52amThe left is trying to come. They Are trying with as much vengeance as they can. this is their small portal.. Yeah BHO YOU sheep in a wolf disguise!! Right now AMERICA has one choice and ONE only. Bring her to her ROOTS or lose her forever. BHO u are a pawn of the left. Always will be always has been. I know why you are so depressed. You have never been a man.
Report Post »wdittgasn
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:09amI could not go to one of these things, I’d probably smack a lib fool in the mouth and end up in jail.
Report Post »Legalette
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:54amYeah, maybe Romney should chose that old lady for VP!!! Good for her.
Report Post »jhrusky
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:14amAssuming elections won’t be suspended/cancelled by the muslim-in-chief in OUR White House, this is going to be one hell of an election cycle.
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:18amWest is a liar and a dem operative. I believe nothing he says. You should not either.
poorrichard09
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:21amIsn’t pushing someone considered assault? Lady was totally right to defend herself and husband.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:40amSounts like da Unyion is out in force at these town hall meetings :-)
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:41amWas there a dog there or was one of those dumba$$es barking?
Report Post »brezzeone
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:41amAllen West is great. He answers all the questions and just moves on . West for VP
Report Post »79USMC83
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:11amThis is a great example of where we are heading. The FAR -LEFT is it seems are always the ones who are out to disrupt anyone who threaten thems. West threatens them with his sharp and speaking from the heart TRUTH !!! He believes in the CONSTITUTION and is outspokes about SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST !!!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:15amLet”s slow DESERTROSE’s magic trick down to see how the lefty slander machine works…
The truth is West left the service honorably and with full benefits. He was reprimanded for an Article 15 infringment (Nonjudicial punishment (NJP) refers to certain limited punishments which can be awarded for minor disciplinary offenses by a commanding officer or officer in charge to members of his/her command). He interrogated a terrorist collaborator that had information on a suspected ambush on his men. West got the information from the collaborator by discharging his service pistol next to the collaborator’s head and prevented the ambush from taking place. West -of his own volition- went to his superiors IMMEDIATELY after the incident for disciplinary action. He didn’t wait to be “investigated”.
But the truth isn‘t what ROSIE’s concerned with..it’s slander..so she offers ” He was investigated for violating Articles 128 (Assault) and 134 (General Article)”. Investigating for and actually being charged for something are two very different things. But again..it‘s the smearing that’s important to ROSIE..not the truth. Nor are the lives West saved by questioning the collaborator. After all..according to ROSIE’s beloved MSNBC..we shouldn’t be calling our armed forces “heroes” anyway.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:27amThere were so many protesters one has to question whether it is the news media pushing gay stories or the gays coming out of the wood work. It sound like there were many many LGBT activists at the meeting. Are they all from his district or were they bused in?
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:39amREDMEAT
Report Post »Put up or shut up, Give us a link to proof or you just expose yourself as a commie Troll.
LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:40amREDMEAT, you are a complete imbecile. This conversation is WAY over your head. Simpletons like you should keep their mouth shut, unless your goal is to make a fool of yourself. What pathetic statements you make, every time. Looser.
Report Post »LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:45amRED, if you think Col. West is a Dem, I have some ocean front property in Iowa to sell you. You clearly are a moron!!!!!! West a dem, lol lol lol lol!!!!!!!
Report Post »V-Forge
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:54pmPut you in charge sir? I would have but you would not run.. so put up or shut up. My body, mind, soul and CASH are ready when you get the nerve. If you had run you would have won. DO NOT tease us. Deeds sir not Words.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:57pmWhen a friend of mine was small, his brother was being beaten by a bully. The family dog came in to protect the boy and the local law officials said that the dog was in the wrong. (What’s wrong with that story?)
Report Post »My hat is off to the old lady (no disrepect meant) but she could have gotten in trouble if she used the cane; she should have handed in to her husband to use as protection/intimidation. Otherwise she would appear as the aggressor. (I don’t know how many times a day I say “This country is nuts!”)
jerimiah41
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:16pmCongressman Alan West, I wish he was my senator. This is why the Dem’s do not like the Tea Party. The candidates they select have values and are prepared to stand there ground and if we had more I would feel we would be able to resist being overthrown or lead to communism or worse. He can be on my team anytime. Keep it up Sir!
Report Post »DoomsdayProphet
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:26pmI have a solution. Stop looking at other people for the fixes to your problems. Merry Christmas Free advice. you have a great day.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:33pmIt is as though all the Progressives/Marxists are throwing a temper tantrum. They were so jealous when the Tea Party stood up to the thugs in DC and got attention that they are now trying to get attention. However, they don’t have anything to stand for, so they just become violent and call people names. That is all they got.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:50pmReally? That little liberal c/u/n/t had the guts to tell a WWII vet “F&*K You!” I wish that lady with the cane hit her with the cane to knock some sense into that flower child.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:02pm@shogun459
That’s the problem with trolls like REDMEAT. No facts, all conjecture.
Report Post »LookTowardsTheLight
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:04pmI think @REDMEAT ran away or he’s taking a real long time for a rebuttal.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:29pmI love Allen West!
However, I did not agree with the decision to remove the gentleman and the lady from the crowd for pushing an issue, any issue.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:21pm@Avengerk Let’s highlight your diversion to see what it is. You claim to be an Australian immigrant, so perhaps you aren’t familiar with the UCMJ. West’s prisoner abuse came to light because another soldier complained about the command attitude and filed a complaint. His abuses were reported as an example and he was investigated. Since the military hates to send its own for punishment, they gave him the least onorous punishment possible, but he was punished and any non-judicial punishment that is refused automatically leads to court martial. He was lucky enough to have committed his abuses before the Abu Ghraib scandal. Had he committed them a few months later, well, he might have been sent to prison as an example. We’ll never know. I’m posting the website where I got my information. And I’m posting an article from Truthout about Fox propaganda techniques, you’re very good at them Avengerk.
http://www.webcitation.org/5uL7JlWF8
http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1964:fourteen-propaganda-techniques-fox-news-uses-to-brainwash-americans
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:35pmStreet Justice because there is no justice for Americans. Just for perverts criminals and the true racists.
Report Post »Freedom.Fighter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:20pmSounds to me like he needs to start coming up with some solutions…
Report Post »Crazyotto
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:39pmDesertrose the troll, quotes “Truthout” which is a silly left-left-left wing website run by the most despicable band of leftist, commies and cretins imaginable… Bill Moyers, The now dead(thank god) Howard Zinn, Paul Krugman, on and on … so naturally when quoting this as a source one is left laughing at the absurdity of it all…Why not quote the “Little Red Book” when preaching the evils of Capitalism… what a fruitloop!
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:47pmLOL…that’s just hysterical TOKYOROSE..you’re posting a lefty propaganda site that tries to fabricate Fox “propaganda” techniques. It doesnt’ more slimy than that you craven lefty cur. You lefties really are mindless cretins.
I said earlier that you’re using slander and inuendo and sure enough…”we’ll never know” comes out of your post. You lefty robots just can’t help yourselves. You’ve got to slur and malign and insinuate when the truth is against you. Make it up and pretend when you’ve got nothing right ROSIE?
But we do know the truth dont’ we sweetie? West was reprimanded under article 15 and left the service with full honors and benefits. You can’t change the truth..try as you might.
All your mewling about “what ifs and couldabeens” doesn’t change it. And your “we’ll never know” line is as laughable as you posting a link to a lefty propaganda site about others’ supposed propaganda techniques. I was about to say I can‘t believe you’d be that stupid to offer a propaganda site that tries to smear others about propaganda…but you really are that stupid aren’t you? You really are that lost aren’t you?
Get on your knees ROSIE…keep scrubbing and santizing for the party like a good union hack.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:49pmOh and ROSIE…do you have a problem with West averting an ambush on his men?
Report Post »Now I know..as I said earlier..that your mouthpiece- and Media Matters talking point dispensary MSNBC- has suggested that we don’t use the word “heroes” in describing our military but you really begrudge West for averting an ambush on his men? Seriously sweetie?
Andy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:54pmI need to go to one of these rallies. It makes me so mad that little bi$%h told a veteran “f$%k you”. They would end up throwing me out of there because I would lose it. These people don’t deserve to be in this country, and someone should show them the door.
Report Post »jcvillar
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:13pmUh, “push” her husband? Didn’t see that. Actually, there isn’t anything very exciting in this video.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:23pm@Crazyotto, Truthout is a non-profit news service. Granted it is liberal but did you read the list? As to the people you wrote off as despicable, I happen to admire Bill Moyers a great deal. And Paul Krugman is widely respected and an award winning economist and scholar. That’s not bad company to be in, really. But what does The Blaze have to offer in comparison?
@Avengerk You must have made it to the “Cs” in your Roget’s. Good for you. You even managed to use them correctly. Bullying and name calling really won’t work with me, and you should be careful, your deep seated anger and contempt are showing. I’ve told you before, you can‘t hurt me and you can’t insult me. And really, this slobbering, impotent, rage is rather comical, in a sad and sardonic sort of way.
The New York Times is still considered a reliable source to most of the population, it was a rather complimentary article, not a “hit piece” as you alleged. You must have a reading comprehension problem, the article says there was no plan to ambush him, there were no weapons, no one was charged with an ambush. West heard a rumor and acted out of fear and when he didn’t get the answers he wanted, he tortured a man who told him a name of another policeman who was investigated and not charged. West ruined his career for an imagined threat, oh, and he allowed his men, four of them, to beat the suspect as long as they didn’t “break bones” or need for “repair”.
Report Post »judymac10
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:11pmI agree that blonde lady was ready to knock her on her butt. Not much of a rumble was it,
Report Post »the way they were talking it was a real fist fight going on.
blackyb
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:05pmAlan West would make a good President or Vice President. He has a backbone. He is brilliant and he lives for Justice for all Americans.
Report Post »Winedude
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:50pmAllen West got drummed out of the army. He’s a hack and a fool.
cgnick
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:10amI guess when you are fascist that relies on sensationalist comments and have trouble answering real questions you need to have storm troopers around. West won’t answer tough questions. He repeats a quick one liner then has his people remove someone who has follow up question. When asked for his opinion he constantly says well why don’t you go ask… then he names someone in an attempt to change the subject.
In the first video he tried to justify running peaceful people out by talking about the Gabby Giffords attack when the person was asking a follow up question to the “why don’t you go ask 41 other states” answer.
Report Post »9111315
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:25amAlan West would make a good President or Vice President. He has a backbone. He is brilliant and he lives for Justice for all Americans.
Report Post »rickc34
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:31amYeah he got a pair unlike the President. One on one match the smart money. Would be on West
Report Post »fixer
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:39ami wanna know why we can’t just start hanging these commies for treason,right up to the whitehouse? Or have an open season on them,no limit.
Report Post »JQCitizen
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:26amHey, Whine-Dude; Alan West is a REAL MAN; not some wine-sipping Lily with his pinky sticking out like you!
Based on the RIDICULOUS RHETORIC of those LOSERS in those vids, the Dems are getting DUMBER the more DESPERATE they are!
Alan West just does what needs to be done; – And that was more important to him than his on personal position in the Army. We need a couple HUNDRED more of him in our Congress.
Yep, about 400!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:18amWINEDUDE, LTC West accepted non judicial punishment for his involvement with an enhanced interrogation that he performed without sanction from higher ups. He RETIRED from the Army with full honors and his rank intact. He was not drummed out of the service. Take your lies and go pound salt.
Report Post »dutchy
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:27amAlan West is a man of integrity and common sense. As President, he would come up with real solutions to help fix what this clown in the White House has done to our country’s security, economy and deficit. He’d make a great VP also!
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:37am@Winedude You are a complete LIAR. West was NOT drummed out of the Army. He retired will FULL benefits. Yes there was an incident where he protected his own men, under his command from a plot to kill them. For that he got a mere fine $5,000. He served for 11 years! He served in Kuwait, Desert Shield and Desert Storm. All the while getting promotions. “He became battalion commander of the 2d Battalion 20th Field Artillery nicknamed ”Deep Strike,” 4th Infantry Division on June 6, 2002. He held this position until his retirement from the army.” Get your facts together. You damn liberals just think that if you say something long enough people will believe it, and the sheeple do. Fortunately this forum is for people who can look up the facts and show your out right lies for what they were. By the way, while West was serving our country, honorably, your obama was out doing drugs with his homeboys, it just didn’t stop the minute he graduated, that is IF he graduated. Barry didn’t go into the military, that’s the whole reason he is such a coward now.
Report Post »Simonne
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:33amWe don’t need someone like West as president or vice president as he seems more like a bully than anything else. Although I think Portman will be the vp candidate, I’m still hoping for Rubio.
Report Post »mhannah.vera
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:52am@Winedude, He didn’t get drummed out, he put a revolver to the enemy‘s head during a questioning session and threaten to blow his head off if he didn’t tell them what he wanted to know, knowing full well the consequences. That is against US policy in Afghanistan, so he handed in his revolver and he was let go from the Army. He’s a hero to me and to millions. US policy in Afghanistan is killing Soldiers everyday. That’s the way to do things!!
Report Post »rlimike
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:12am( he lives for Justice for all Americans) Sure he does.
Report Post »BehindBlueEyes
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:16am@WINEDUDE
Report Post »Are you Joe Blow the weather man?
Pacman116
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:53amLOL @ Winedude. Another clueless liberal.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:06amAllen West was drummed out of the service. Yes, he did receive an Article 15 and had he not accepted the nonjudicial punishment and the $5,000.00 fine, he would have been Court Martialed and quite possibly have gone to prison for what he did. Yes, they let him retire and he did keep his rank but he was asked to go because they didn’t want to embarass him further. But he was a disgrace to the uniform. You can try to poo-poo it and say it wasn’t that bad, but it was. You folks are the ones who aren’t dealing with reality here.
@Fixer, you talk about hanging people for disagreeing with you, that being a Liberal makes one guilty of treason. This is a country where free speech is allowed and protected, but you would punish my dissent with death for treason. And yet, I would never wish the same for you. You are free to express your opinions up to calling for a violent overthrow of the government, which is sedition. If you actually try to hang Liberals, you would then be guilty of treason. Take pride in your stance, Fixer. You are exactly what Liberals fear: angry, irrational, misinformed, and prown to violent rhetoric if not violence itself.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:09am@RJJinGadsden
Report Post »You answered much more eloquently than I would have. I hate it when liberals descend into their baser instincts by telling lies and trying to smear the good name of people they disagree with. Just like the lady in the video who couldn’t win an intelligent argument so said “F- you” to an older gentleman and shoved him and his wife. My parents raised me better than that. At 48, I still don’t curse at or talk disrespectfully to my elders, unless they really step over the line.
DirkPitt
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:11amI like to think of Winedude and Cgnick as chat trolls. They attempt to yank your chain for the fun of it and then run away and watch the fallout. Don’t fall for it.
Report Post »GreatGu
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:38amGet your facts right MORON! Col West was not drummed out of the Army; Oh, I forgot; you all get confused with the facts, so just stay as stupid as you are for all of us to see.
Report Post »Countryjustice
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:40am@winedude you’re the hack the name fits! You cowards show up and harass the people that have fought for our country, and shout them down so the truth can’t be heard! If you violate my space I‘ll be sure to stand my ground which means you’ll be removed or lying where you you once stood. The rights are for all citizens not just the loony left! Coward! God bless West and the other patriots out there
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:04am@ FIXER because it is better to let God kick the dirt then have men do it when they are nothing better.
@WINEDUDE Find your facts before you drink. Enough said. What he did was for America. Its all your liberal puzzzies that cant handle war. GROW A SET.
Report Post »I do not ask for war but I also do not send flowers or bow to my enemies!! Wish i could meet you at a OWS in Dallas!! I will buy your bus fair! Flea Bag
Fubared
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:11amWinedudette and DessertRosei1920 should share a box of some stellar rock gut and hold hands, singing kumbaya; again. Hahahaa. Libs are almost funny, but usually just sad little people.
Report Post »coachsmac
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:12amWine, you have had to much of your namesake. West is a decorated soldier and a very common sense fiscal conservative. He has the backing of millions and people who are offended because he is straight forward are lapdogs for fools. It will take leaders like him to straighten this mess the liberals have turned this country into!! Go Get them Colonel!!!!!
Report Post »Blazebanned
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:18am@whinedude aka encinom.
Too bad you werent born with the stones to tell West that to his face, or anyone else for that matter, you pos little worm…..
Drago.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:05amWhy doesn’t West simply answer, “The Answer To That Question Is Above My Pay Grade”. Obama got elected with those kind of answers.
Report Post »Red Meat
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:22amReply to blackyb-
Report Post »You need to review his voting record before making ignorant statements.
4truth2all
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:00amYo Desertrose1960:
What was his “crime” ?… in the world we live in when someone stands for right they get accused of wrong …
Report Post »encinom
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:22amAllen West also supports Obamacare, http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/28/rep-allen-west-defends-key-provisions-of-obamacare/
‘[Allen West] has spoken out in favor of key provisions of the Affordable Care Act, the health care reform act that is mostly known to conservatives as ‘Obamacare’… West replied, ‘Well you’ve got to replace it. You’ve got to replace it with something. If people want to keep their kid on their insurance at 26, fine. We’ve got to make sure no American gets turned back for pre-existing conditions, that’s fine. Keep the donut hole closed, that’s fine.’”
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:24amWineDude
LTC West retired with full honors and rank. He was not drummed out. Drumming out is the complete removal of rank and honors. LTC West faced non-judical punishment under Article 15, UCMJ. This is not a courts martial. He was found in violating the UCMJ and paid a $5000 fine.
In our politically correct US Army, his actions during the interrogation of a prisoner was deemed unbecoming. Even 20 years ago, he wouldn’t even been brought up on charges.
I understand that you have never ordered someone into a situation of possible wounding or death. You haven’t seen your troopers torn apart by rockets, mortors or mines.. You haven’t seen a 19 year old with his testicles blown off by a mine. You haven’t seen someone shot in the head and take 90 minutes to die. Go look a the pictures of the victim of the cannibal in a story on the Blaze. LTC West has seen worse than thant.
Report Post »Kinnison
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:25amGot any time in uniform, Winedude? I thought not. LTC Allen West made a decision while in contact with the enemy to put his career on the line to prevent any more of his soldiers from being blown to pieces by IEDs, and was given an Article 15 nonjudicial punishment for it by a politically-correct command structure. He honorably retired from the Army afterwards. As a retired LTC myself I would like to think that in a similar situation I and any other military officer would put the welfare of my troops ahead of my own career. The Iraqi jihadi in question was not harmed in any way, only intimidated into revealing the location of an IED factory. If you want to know how LTC West is perceived by actual soldiers, ask anyone in the battalion he commanded what they thought of him as a leader… They think he walked on water. His retirement was the Army‘s loss and south Florida’s gain, because the Florida citizens in his district have a man of honor and integrity to represent them in the U.S. House.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:51am@4Truth, He was investigated for violating Articles 128 (Assault) and 134 (General Article) but the matter was referred to an Article 15, Nonjudicial Punishment rather than a Court Martial (Article 32). Had he refused to take the nonjudicial punishment, he could have been subjected to a court martial.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/subtitle-A/part-II/chapter-47/subchapter-X
Report Post »pavnvet
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 10:57am@winedude. Had too much to drink this morning? When was the last time you were in a combat zone, you POS.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:02amROSIE…you said West was “drummed out of the service” yet he left honorably with full benefits.
Report Post »Are you saying one should accept your lefty speculation over the truth?
AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:05amENCINOM/MONICNE/SLEAZY HIPPO….did you feel so angry with West today that you had to use ENCINOM to denigrate him instead of your usual “soft” mockery from MONICNE? You know where you make a flaccid quip about “Palin/West 2012″ or some variation thereof?
Report Post »You felt your “serious” persona “ENCINOM” was more prudent for the moment?
BunnyHammer
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:57am@DesertRose1960
Report Post »Please explain to me why you are so focused on his Article 15, or, specifically, Articles 128 (Assault) and 134 (General Article). As Article 134 says, it is a General Article….basically a “catch all”. If you can’t be charged with any other article, Article 134 covers it.
I can’t understand anyone who would not do everything in their power, short of murder, to protect himself and the lives of his troops. But, since you are so adamant about condemning Col. West for his interrogation style, I guess you would be that one person.
But help me understand how shooting a gun next to an enemy insurgents head is in any way worse than the techniques commonly used in the Middle East. Such as: pulling teeth with pain meds, hanging you by your arms until your shoulders dislocate, shoving a water hose up someone’s rectum, then pulling it out creating a vacuum designed to pull their intestines out, or just plain old cutting someone’s head off with a dull knife.
I guess in your little utopia, these things do not happen. However, in the world Col. West and so many others of us have lived in, these things are everyday life in the Middle East. And doing this, knowing he would end his career…..I guess his troops meant more to him than his career.
So, until you walk in the boots myself and other veterans have walked in……enjoy your right to free speech, no matter how it makes you sound.
BunnyHammer
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:05pm@DesertRose1960
*pulling teeth withOUT pain meds
Report Post »LIBSALWAYSLIE
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:22pmWINEDUDE, your liberal lies wont work here moron! West was not drummed out of the army. He recieved an honorable discharge with full benifits. Gat any more lies to tell you imbecile?
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:01pmI want him to emigrate to Canada and become our Prime Minsiter, AFTER our present GOOD one, retires. What a HERO, What A MAN!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:05pmDESERTROSE1960,
“@4Truth, He was investigated for violating Articles 128 (Assault) and 134 (General Article) but the matter was referred to an Article 15, Nonjudicial Punishment rather than a Court Martial (Article 32). Had he refused to take the nonjudicial punishment, he could have been subjected to a court martial.”
I can assure you since I have many, many experiences involving investigations regarding Article 128, (Assault) that a mere investigation does not mean that he is guilty of the crime. Had the investigation resulted in an actual final charge of Assault he would not have been offered an Article 15. The Iraqi officer in question was verbally threatened and lead to believe that the end of his life was coming, but received no physical harm. West got the information that he was seeking and was able to avoid the ambush that saved the lives of a number of his troops. Why don’t you look up the names of his assigned troops at the time, then contact their families so that you can personally inform them that a number of their collective family members should have died, or been horribly maimed so that so that this horrible, horrible intimidating interrogation. Its of course on the right thing to do, since they live because LTC West is such a war criminal. I challenge you to get off your dead whining ass and do what has to be the right thing in your mind.
Report Post »WarHorse36
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 1:10pm@CGNICK- Have you ever seen Obama get a tough question? the answer is no. Most of the questions these ******** ask are repetitious and rhetoric. The questions were conjured up to trip up and that is there tactic. Simply put these moonbats only want to tarnish a perfect record. They are scared and are trying everything in their power to destroy. Obama is a flake and needs kids gloves, a bottle, and someone to change his diaper when he gets cranky. Allen Wests comments are by far superior than what Nobama could ever come up with.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:00pmDid all of these people putting West down vote for Obama? Are they still going to vote for Obama? Do they drink flourinated water? Have they had their doctors check their meds?
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:35pm@Bunnyhammer I don’t condone torture, neither did George Washington who set the policy for the next two hundred years. The Bush Administration bent over backwards, sideways and forwards to create bogus memos that allowed torture. A number of generals left the service rather than carry out these orders. Read “The Dark Side” by Jane Mayer. The New York Times article makes it pretty clear that no evidence of this conspiracy was ever found. The man West tortured was trying to save his life. He said what he needed to make it stop. He was released uncharged and so was the man he named. The man had swellings but no bruises immediately after the torture session. I’m sure there were bruises later. West ruined his career over nothing. It is an indicator of his character. He has a thin-skin and when he doesn’t get his way, he bullies people and makes wild accusations of threats to “others” that he must protect. He disgraced his uniform and he did it for an imaginary threat. Sort of like naming 79-81 Communists in Congress or having a disagreeing questioner removed from your town hall. He’s a dangerous thug.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/27/world/struggle-for-iraq-interrogations-colonel-risked-his-career-menacing-detainee.html?src=pm
Report Post »pollyanna
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:05pmWinedude…try drinking green tea for a while.
Report Post »How many libs are completely out of their minds???
It’s unbelievable…I continually want to reply to their inaccuracies with a grade schooler’s : “I know you are, but what am I.”
Isaiah 5:20: Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Upside down and backwards.
AvengerK
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:06pmLOL..nice try ROSIE..an NYT hitpiece against the Iraq War and West..yeah that’s credible.
West discharged his service pistol next to the collaborator’s head. West didnt’ hit him at all. “Swelling but no bruises immediately after the torture session”? LOL. I posted earlier about dissecting your lefty bag of tricks and how you malign and slander but d@mn ROSIE..you‘re running full steam with it aren’t you tulip? “the torture session..swelling but no bruises”…Your embellished and fictional take on the incident is very creative sweetie.
But the elephant in the room is the fact that West got the answers he needed to avoid an ambush on his men. Why can’t you acknowledget that ROSIE? Is it because your fabricated lefty narrative falls apart when you admit it? I believe that’s the case.
Ok I’ve said it already but I have to mention it again…I know your lefty mouthpiece MSNBC doesn’t want to call our fighting men and women “heroes” but do you have to deny them so energetically?
Report Post »cgnick
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:53pmWARHORSE36:
Report Post »You are pulling a West, trying to change the subject (to Obama). I was talking about Colonel West.
igetit
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:50pmThese people are using the same method used to break up delphi technique. Only West isn’t pulling a delphi technique to get concsensus on them. Weird.
Report Post »TRILO
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:49pmFat chance in hell that I would ever put you in charge. You have done enough to damage this country Mr West.
Must I remind you (Mr West) and the sheeple that you voted to support the NDAA, the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act (propaganda bill), Patriot Act, CISPA, the extension of government subsidized artificial student loan interest rates, Payroll Tax extension, 2012 Appropriation Act that spent more than revenues, Balanced Budget Amendment that did not have any caps or limits on spending, opening up the potential for unlimited tax hikes (to balance the budget of course), the Budget Control Act that gave us the useless and dangerous Super Committee, the dog and pony Debt Ceiling Increase bill that gave BHO and company the ability to increase the debt limit through this year, and he voted against the Indefinate Military Detention provision for American citizens.
Sorry, just because he can talk a good game does not mean he is what he professes to be. With a Constitutional conservative like this, we might as well toss the entire Constitution as it means nothing.
Open you eyes and read his voting record. Here is the link so you don’t have to look too hard.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/124348/allen-west
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:43amRead Obummers voting record….what a joke.
West is 100% more American than Obummer.
Obummer would have been on on the pod in Air Force in 3 seconds (the movie)
West would have been Harrison Ford figthing for his country.
Seems like all the liberal moonbats have come to this site…maybe they know Obummer is losing
Slick and Cool are not what I want in a President.Plus the poor guy doesn’t seem to now history.
My grandchild could read a teleprompter.
Empty suit that has fooled so many.
LT COL WEST is the man!!!
I’d vote for him ANYDAY
OMG 2012
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:14pmHe could NOT do any more damage than Obama has done. That POS is trying to destroy America and he done quite well.
Report Post »Paul
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:42pmIt’s always darkest before the dawn and the sun is just starting to go down…
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:09pmThat’s what I think. 6 months at most.
Report Post »pollyanna
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 6:31pmTime to fasten our seatbelts…it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:32pmThe National Socialist party began by disrupting, slowing, intimidating the opposition parties to the point where they couldn’t function anymore. Lies were told often enough that they were told and retold and eventually believed as THE TRUTH. Free press is one of the first freedoms to fall (oops, too late), but a few survived in the underground bravely typing away.
If we are to avoid the same fate we must hold EVERYONE EQUALLY to FACTS, and apply the law EQUALLY TO EVERYONE.
Report Post »TurboCat
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 4:27amFor each and every one on the video who criticized Allen West, (and that would be SIR Allen West to you hyper critics), what have you done in your life that makes you so perfect? What an excellent question! I bet that you are not so perfect and you probably need an attitude adjustment so that you can at least TRY to be a decent human being instead of just an agitator. No, really, lets see YOUR list of perfect accomplishments so that you may show us all how it should be done.
Report Post »thorntonnorth
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:16pmYes, it seems that chaos is coming and the left is ready. Nazi or Communist it is the same Red Party Banner. Maybe they use the same playbook but we are still the Great Republic and the Republican Conservatives Will Stand.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:18pmLOL – thank goodness everyone has a pocket camera these days. All three videos were pretty entertaining.
The red girl in the first video is decent looking – such a shame
Report Post »RebelPatriot
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:12pmThe people of the United States need to understand we are in a “War” with the progressive socialist. They are using the Communist Manifesto as their handbook to destruction, the destruction of our Republic.
They will lie, propagate those lies on MSM to their entitled and utopian kool-aid drinkers. They will allow more and more illegals to become citizens in order to strengthen their base. They will place us deeper and deeper into debt until we will never be able to recover and once we are broke they will step in with their government sponsored entitlement programs in order to save the country. The problem is it won’t be our Republic they will be saving, it will be their it will be the United Socialist States of America.
They weren’t ready when the stock market crashed and we had to be bailed out, but they used it as an opportunity to undermine our dollar. Then came the socialist programs that supposedly bailed us out of the depression, but actually only slowed our growth as a nation.
Wake up America we have a fight on our hands, whether or not it escalates to war depends on how hard free Americans fight back.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:35pmWe have our own handbook – the Constitution. However, about half the Republican party is against it
Report Post »nonofmybiznez
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:47pmIf they think that Hispanics are in their corner they are wrong. They are a silent minority that are anti-Obama. I loved the woman who said she would rap her cane around that libs neck. They were inviting a confrontation. Wake up folks, this is real.
Report Post »TexOkie
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:01pmThe liberals are desperate.
“Joe Blow, Weatherman for Channel 8″.
What a comedian. Sad really!
Report Post »nonofmybiznez
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:49pmYeah, they are so desperate they are going after the elderly.
Report Post »helnopeno
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:50pmAs a veteran myself it angers me that these agents for the left attack and insult our military veterans.
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:24pmThe right to do so for which we served, up to the point where the rights of another are not violated. Their power ends where my rights begin, and I have the means to defend it.
I’m sure you do too.
Report Post »BLACKDIAMONDSKIER
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:45pmThe goal of a Socialist or Communist is to agitate and aggravate the opposition into confrontation or until they just get tired and give up. They need the police, the public, and whoever else to respond aggressively. They need chaos. If the good citizens do not give them what they are looking for…….they loose. TRUTH, self-control, patience, peace, kindness, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, and love will crush those who wish to destroy our great nation.
When truth becomes your worst enemy……..you are on the wrong side of things.
Report Post »nonofmybiznez
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:53pmAnd if all else fails, the Constitution provides for other means to restore order. I sure hope it doesn’t get to that, but you better keep ur pwdr dry just in case. Total anarchy isn’t totally unheard of. Look around…We just have this problem that we think everyone is a civilized as we are. When you are at war, you have to be prepared to take action.
Report Post »gbfreak
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:38pmFarkin commie socialists being bussed in and trying to be relevant. The girl in the second video pushed a Sr. WWII vet because she didn’t agree with him…….the old lady should have wacked the commie beeee…otch upside the head.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:34pmmakes you want to just take those moron anti-American obama supporters out to sea. and leave them there.
God bless Col West.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:40pmI will chip in for that boat ride
Report Post »MNYukon
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:46amI will help load the ship
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 2:04pmI’ll help you make the hole in the boat.
Report Post »Voice_of_One
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:24pm@RamonPreston
Report Post »Dang, I wanted to make them walk the plank.
Paul
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:31pmAnother bald headed freak, hey Van, ya got a half brother?
Report Post »grannyjojo
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:30pmYa know, us old folks don‘t appreciate being cursed at and we’re not generaly afraid to say our piece. That young woman who cussed the older guy….she has no respect and the lady with the cane let her know she wasn’t gonna put up with it. Its called “respect” and if you want to get anywhere you better either know how to “respect” anothers views because the older folk will SHOW you how. :)
Report Post »garbagecanlogic
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:29pmIt is amazing that Smokey-BoJangles and Mutiny cannot seem to get their facts straight on the NDAA. Liberals are good at constantly repeating a falsehood in hopes someone will eventually begin to believe it. It might be suggested that both Smokey and Mutiny stand in front of a mirror for a day or two and repeatedly say: “I will not lie anymore”.
Praise Be To Obama. Psalm 109:8
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
Mutiny
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:39pmWell fill me in.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:19pm@garbage
Report Post »what is good about NDAA and why do we need it?
RepubliCorp
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 8:54amSOYBOMB315 why did Paul vote no to putting the military on the border? Didn’t want his supporters to lose their drug supply? Why didn’t Paul win his home state. Did the media hide his message? The tea party is all about small government and we are doing very well without Ron Paul’s help. If we need a racist letter we will give Lew Rockwell / Paul a call
Report Post »ComingUnglued
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:29pmMaybe just one time, if these idiots would just stop and listen instead of trying to disrupt they might learn something. You can see and hear they are told what to say, how to cause chaos. It really gets tiring. The American people are sick of it. The next time someone try’s disrupting a meeting find out they are from, who is paying them, then send them on there way.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 11:17amJust like in a one on one conversation, once one person begins to yell, the other person/persons stop listening to the content of the words and focus instead on the destabilized behavior, thus whatever the message expressed, even if it has merit, loses whatever value it may have held as it becomes SECONDARY to the behavior.
As the message drops to second place, the behavior, which is often rude, disruptive and sometimes violent is what sticks in the mind of observers. It is this which is remembered, and not “the message”, leaving the actors wondering why their group is perceived in a negative light when the questions they posit may have such merit.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:27pmNotice the attempt of reverse tactics; the protesters initiate hostilities and then try to claim that the police or security are ‘stormtroopers’ and ‘gestapo tactics’ being used against them. Watch for the CNN (Commie News Network) and MSNoBodyCares to portray the initiators as the ‘victims.’
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:00pmBut…But….I thought you were all for freedom of speech. The woman asked a question he didn’t want to answer so half a dozen security guards and police eject her from the meeting, fascism, here we come.
Report Post »Tree_Butcher
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 10:27pmAnother aspect is that they project their faults on others and blame the other for having those faults. like calling my dad a racist because he’s conservative.
Little do they know he’s Cherokee. :)
Report Post »RedHarley
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 7:25amSurvivorsed,
He DID answer the question. He does not support gay marriage. He believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. He points out that the people in 41 states believe the same.
Report Post »Now….what more would a continued exchange with this woman produced ? Nothing.
She didn’t like the answer (which she knew before asking the question) and at that point it was obvious she was only there to disrupt. She was allowed to ask her question and was given an answer. That is how a town hall is supposed to work. It is NOT a debate, it is not a stage for arguments.
Once it degraded into being disruptive, it was time for her to leave. Period.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 12:03pmOnly after she began a verbal tantrum that would have held up the meeting. If she would have politely said I disagree with your answer and taken her seat, there would not have been an escort out. We cannot allow for the hijacking of a townhall meeting for the other people present who also have rights.
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:25pmThe establishment left, is deathly afraid of Congressman Allen West……..cuz he may be president one day………..hopefully.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 5:06amAnd the NeoLib Code-Pink Paulbots…….
Report Post »sooner12
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:24pmThe political process……Don’t you just love it?!
Report Post »Z
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:24pmWould love to see him as VP
Report Post »Paul
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:34pmMe too…
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:21pmIf I go to see & listen to anyone… I do not accept the Opposition of the person… has the right to interfer with me, as part of the audience. And, if I become a Defender… I cannot be an Aggressor!
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:20pmThe fuse is getting short.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:27pmThe elderly do not want to V-O Day!
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:36pmThe elderly lived lives against everything these vermin are about, and yet their life time of experience is laughed at by the far left.
These people lived the cold war, Bay of pigs and Cuban missile crisis, good or bad they along with many of us now see we were asleep way to long.
Time to right the ship one way or the other, if I weren’t a civilized man I’d…..?
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:19pmI would say debate them or talk issues with them, but liberals don’t want to talk, they want to shout you down. Talking to a liberal is a waste of time. Moderate Democrats (if there are any left) you can possibly have a dialog with, but not a liberal. Liberalism is like a mental illness. Try to convice a mentally ill person that their delusions are not real.
Report Post »Blitzking
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 3:01amCorrect, And I agree with the NDAA If it were used correctly..
Report Post »Against MUSLIMS ONLY!!!
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:05pmHe can just us NDAA,that he gave to Communist Obama, to haul away the protestors for indefinite detention.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:14pmThat is why no ticket he is on will get my support until he helps repeal it.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:19pmI hate that he voted for NDAA too. But I doubt he fully understands what he did by voting for it. He did give it to a Commie POS and i for the life of me cannot understand why. He is a Patriot and a good man. But good men can be fooled too….
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:21pmI know, I know…Ron Paul. I am sorry but I can’t wait for Ron Paul to kick the bucket, so the Paulbotts will start thinking for themselves.
Report Post »mrsuperpat
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:22pmFake conservatives continuously erode the constitution as well as their comrades on the left. People in this country have been dumbed down so effectively that our Republic’s demise is for certain. Romney or Obama, it doesn’t matter. The continuity of agenda will continue. They take tyranny, wrap it in a flag, everyone salutes it and follows it down the rabbit hole.This describes several people even on this site. It‘s pathetic people can’t pay respect to our founders and be educated and responsible for their cheerleader votes. We have a culture of apathetic idiots running around thinking this is Disneyland, but when it finally falls they will have no one to blame but each other, much like they do now.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:24pmIn War… Laws are MeaningLess!
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:28pm@mt
I cannot wait till you kick the bucket and we dont have people like you dumbing down the conservative voter base.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 9:36pmmrsuperpat, Some folks just get all juicy in their nether regions when folks like West Or Newt “Slam It To The Leftist.“ They are blind when the same ”Heroes” are the ones enabling the leftist. I have promised myself I will remain more vigilant in the future and not fall for People like Allen Wests’ rhetoric again unless they back it up with actions.He disappointed me so much.
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:34amBaddoggy
West know exactly what he voted for.
2012-2013 Budget (unbalanced). Yea
Report Post »Authorizes Development of Oil Shale Resources. Nay
Federal Aviation Administration Act of 2012. Yea
National Defense Authorization Act. Yea
Increasing the Debt Ceiling. Yea
2011-2012 Budget (unbalanced). Yea
Extension Patriot Act Provisions. Yea
recoveringneocon
Posted on May 31, 2012 at 9:56amOH! I forgot one.
Bill H Amdt 1127 Repeals Indefinite Military Detention Provisions
West voted NO way!
Being a Military man that was all but thrown out, he wouldn’t have a clue what that bill was about. If asked about it he would tell you…………..why don’t you go ask the other 238 people that voted NO.
What a Hero.
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