Nuns Come Out Swinging & Claim Vatican Investigation Is Causing ‘Scandal & Pain’ for Catholics
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NEW YORK (The Blaze/AP) — The Blaze told you back in April about the Vatican’s decision to overall a large-scale group of U.S. nuns after allegations of anti-Catholic stances on a variety of issues. In the wake of controversy, the largest umbrella group for the female faith leaders officially responded on Friday.
Railing heavily against the charges waged against them, the organization said that the church-ordered overhaul of their group is based on unsubstantiated claims from a flawed investigation that has caused “scandal and pain” for Roman Catholics.
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious, which represents about 57,000 sisters, said they will bring their concerns to the Vatican orthodoxy watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in a meeting scheduled for June 12 in Rome.
In April, the Vatican agency concluded an investigation of more than two years by concluding the group has “serious doctrinal problems,” including taking positions that undermined Catholic teaching on the all-male priesthood, marriage and homosexuality.
A screen shot from the LCWR web site
The national board of the nuns’ group issued the statement, its first since the Holy See ordered the overhaul, after a three-day private meeting.
“Board members concluded that the assessment was based on unsubstantiated accusations and the result of a flawed process that lacked transparency,” the statement said. “Moreover, the sanctions imposed were disproportionate to the concerns raised and could compromise their ability to fulfill their mission.”
The Vatican reprimand prompted an outpouring of support for nuns by Catholics and non-Catholics. Vigils, protests and prayer services defending the sisters have been held nationwide, including outside the U.S. embassy of the Holy See in Washington.
(Related: Vatican Orders Overhaul of U.S. Nun Group Over Liberal Stances on Sexuality & Abortion)
“The report has furthermore caused scandal and pain throughout the church community, and created greater polarization,” the board said.
Pope Benedict XVI
In an interview, the president of the organization, Sister Pat Farrell, declined to comment on specifics of the report or go into detail about what the group considers the flaws in the findings. She said the organization would formally respond to the investigation after discussions with members at regional meetings and a national assembly in August.
“The mood at the board meeting was one of deep, deep sadness about this document that has come from the Vatican, but there was also a spirit of deep prayer and reflection and sincere searching together,” Farrell said. “It is a concern of ours that we would be faulted for what we don’t say. I don‘t think we’re talking about a matter of orthodoxy but a matter of emphasis.”
The meeting in Rome is planned with Cardinal William Levada, an American who leads the congregation, and Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain, appointed by the Vatican to take authority over the group. Sartain will oversee rewriting the group’s statutes, reviewing all its plans and programs – including approving speakers — and ensuring the organization properly follows Catholic prayer and ritual.
Farrell has been a sister for 47 years. She said she was “stunned at the severity” of the reprimand.
“I didn’t think I would ever see anything like this,” Farrell said. “Truthfully, I’m glad my mother is not alive to see this unfolding. She would be heartbroken.”
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Comments (153)
hillbillyinny
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:50pmI note that “stur’s” (1950′s version of “sister”) “habit” (dedicated Religious clothing), is now a pant’s suit. How feminine and gentile. . . not!!!
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:52pm“gentile” = genteel (sorry!)
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:29pmNuns ! now is your chance to get away from that cult . Just be a christian , and get away from the legalism ,adolatry,etc. It’s faith plus nothing .
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:47pm@TXJB
Does repentance play a role?
Is baptism necessary?
Are the commandments just suggestions?
Do we have to love our neighbor?
I could go on, but I think I proved my point that much more than faith is required. It may only be the first step.
I believe in the right to worship as I see fit, and I offer others the same privilege.
I may not agree with the Catholics, but to belittle them would be wrong.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:19pmbro ed , you are wrong . All it takes is faith and belief in the gospel of Jesus to be saved and nothing else . The four item you mentioned all come after one has been saved , you don’t do them to be saved . If that was the case then the cross was not enough .
Report Post »Chamber
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:58pmTime for you to stop believing in the heretical teachings you have been taught. You need to come out of the cult you are in and believe in the church established by Jesus Christ.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:22am@TXJB
I tire of self proclaimed righteous people condemning people to hell for sinning differently than they do, or belonging to a different church.
You have to realize that your interpretation of the Bible is not the only interpretation.
You belittle people who don’t conform to your idea of of what the scriptures say.
I cannot think of a sadder existence than trying to be the moral police of the world. What a sad and friendless life you must lead, running around proclaiming your version of the truth.
But, at least your ‘saved’!! You are pathetic!!
I bet your pastor Billy Bob is practically Jesus reincarnated and any one who disagrees is the devil in disguise!
I rarely go off on people, but you evangelicals are ruining this country with your “my way or straight to hell” rhetoric.
If all I knew about Christianity came from the evangelical posts here, I would think it was the biggest joke on the planet!!
Report Post »armati_cruicas
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 5:55amYou are showing your ignorance in Christian history my friend. It the original Faith that Jesus set up is a cult then ALL Christian Denominations are cults by the mere fact that they broke off from the supposed “cult”. Where do you think the Bible came from? Where does the understanding of the Trinity come from? Where does the understanding of heaven & hell come from? The early Christians for the first 300-600 years did not have a Bible to learn from. It was the early Church that taught & converted the pagans with no Bible. So go back and learn true history before you stick out your ignorance for the world to see. I to was an ignorant protestant once & I was raised in a true cult Jehovah’s Witness.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 8:44amHave anyone of you ever heard of the apostle Paul , he received his teaching from Jesus , he is the apostle to the gentiles or do you catholics have bible study at all or just listen to the priest ? You don’t need works to be saved ! believe on Jesus and what He did on the cross only ! Works come later , so that you can be that shinning light to others . Here are things you don’t need to do : kneel down , stand up , use holy water,make the sign of the cross ,shake bells, prey to Marry or any other statue including the one that you think looks like Jesus , repeat words , light candles etc. Just come to Jesus , it was his blood that bought you .
Report Post »Oldmantex
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:35am@Brother_ed In your first post you gave a list of things you obviously believe needs to be done to be saved. Yet all TX said was that you need to believe in Jesus. In your next post you chew him out for saying HE thinks his way is the only right way and HE is trying to be the moral police…….really??? He was not the one giving a list of things that must be done first to be saved, you were!! So HOW is it you think he is the one forcing some higher moral concepts on someone when all he said you gotta do is believe, and you are the one giving a list of steps that must be done first?
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 11:45amJames 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:42pm@OLDMANTX
Nuns ! now is your chance to get away from that cult . Just be a christian , and get away from the legalism ,adolatry,etc. It’s faith plus nothing .
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Great, the blind defending the haters.
Just in case you missed it, I posted his original post above.
Note the words: Cult, legalism ,adolatry,etc.
Any one who calls another man’s religion cult looses all credibility with me and smacks of ignorance.
Believe what you want to, and give others the same courtesy. Some evangelicals have difficulty with that concept and are among the worst Christians I have ever known.
Nice try, though.
Report Post »BlackBeaver
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 1:10pm“Cult”? Do you define every religion as a “cult”? Just because one doesn’t believe their doctrine or message, or even their politics, doesn’t make any religion a “cult”.
As for these Sisters, if they believe they are right and the catholic Church is wrong, they should break away and form their own religion. Of course, then they’d have to support themselves….
Report Post »margiericco
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 1:15pm“TXJB
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:29pm
Nuns ! now is your chance to get away from that cult . Just be a christian , and get away from the legalism ,adolatry,etc. It’s faith plus nothing .”
They have already left the Catholic Church – I wish they would just admit it and stop spreading their spiritual disease in our beloved Church. They can run straight into your arms or any other Protestant denomination – you all teach the same errors.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 1:20pmThere are 149 Diocese and Archdiocese in the U S 147 have been indicted on pedophilia charges. This includes Nuns and priests. Not a very good track record! EPH 2 V 8/9 say all needs be said re WORKS based Salvation. WORKS are the RESULT of TRUE salvation, not the cause of it. This is what is meant by Faith w/o works is DEAD. It simply is stating that if ones life shows no WORKS, after saying one has REPENTED, and believed, it was not TRUE repentance, and Faith, but a False one. Works MUST result from TRUE faith. One cannot HELP but share the GOOD NEWS of Salvation, if one has TRUE faith. I see the Chicago Dicocese has a SPECIAL on Indulgences this month! A two for one special perhaps, re family in purgatory? P/S the Aprochrypha, from which this belief springs was NOT Canon until the Council of Trent in 1546. Why then? Look at when Martin Luther left the RC Church as a monk, and started the Reformation, for your answer! Why wasn’t it considered anon for the previous millenia+? Is is POSSIBE to be a real Christian, and a member of the RC Church. YUP, but MOST aren’t. The RC Church ,the Pope, no Guru, no Preacher,no Protestant Church etc can SAVE anyone. Only GOD can through HIS SON Jesus Christ. We need NO middlemen or organization. Sola Scriptura, and Christ!
Report Post »Maranatha
Patrick74
Posted on June 4, 2012 at 11:46amHollywood – actually, purgatory does NOT come from the Apocrypha. That is a Protestant myth. The dogma of purgatory was just another example of Rome’s humanist corruption after it separated itself from the Body of Christ.
The term “apocrypha” usually relates to several books of the OT, the source of which was the LXX. Funny thing – the LXX was the ORIGINAL OT USED BY THE CHURCH, and is the source of the VAST majority of OT quotes in the NT. So, yeah, the so-called “apocrypha,” of the OT, WERE considered canon and were so considered for centuries. Only the heretics cut them out.
Report Post »Simple Catholic
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:17pmThe only ‘scandal and pain’ is that it took the Church so long to confront this issue. Release them from their vows as soon as possible.
Report Post »voxpopuli2012
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:48amAmen!
Report Post »RedBaronConservative
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 1:50amDon’t worry! Pope Benedict 16 is making some big changes within the church. It‘s coming back to it’s roots and cleaning house! Pray for the church
Report Post »Patrick74
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 7:16pmRedbaron – no, he’s not. Benedict has reiterated his belief in several heresies, even going so far as to go back on some of the changes the last bishop of Rome seemed to be hinting at.
Report Post »Commander8080
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 10:19pmI would go with all the board members and all levels of leadership to resign from their post and either resign or commit to a two year retreat.
Report Post »catholicschoolmom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:14pmMy son goes to a catholic school. There are no nuns there ever. They have certified teachers and occasionally a volunteer parent, who passed the background check, etc . People relentlessly attempt to slander Catholics. They have no realistic perception of reality. The mainstream media rarely reports facts.
Report Post »catholicschoolmom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:02pmSister Act 3, attempting to degrade, slander the authentic Catholics.
Report Post »whit30
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:57pmsince the infiltration of the church by masons and liberals the church has been falling apart. the 3rd fatima secret etc. i believe the infiltration started with jon paul the 23rd he was a mason and then came vatican 2 and gotten worse since then. im finishin up summa now and it explicitly speaks against what these nuns are doing. alot of the church now goes agasinst the true teachings of the church but thats another story.
Report Post »BatesclanMary
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:42pmOn the Internet you can look up a book called AA-1025 The Memoirs of An Anti apostle by Marie Carre it is a Tan book and can be read in PDF form. It is so good and explains the state of the church today.
Report Post »IrishGuy26
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:49pmWhat we have today are the hippies from the 1960′s in charge…. They still believe that socialism/communism is the only true way to go – regardless of how it has crumbled around the world. These whack jobs still believe “communes” are the way to live. They do not follow the tenets of Catholicism and are Catholic in name only. They should be excommunicated by the Pope, they are a cancer in the church.
Report Post »burnbabylon
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:55pmNot surprised to find commies in the covens in the convents.
Report Post »carkrueger
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:54pmSince when do nuns where dangling beaded earrings? I went to Catholic school and never had a nun who didn’t where a habit. I was no fan of nun‘s in the late 70’s and early 80‘s when I had them as teacher’s, they were nasty unloving cranks. Personally, I think the men in the church should finish cleaning the pedophiles out of the closet before pouncing on a very small minority of Marxist nuns that no one really give two craps about.
Report Post »e7705
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 11:00amwear
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:19pmI hope that these religious can accept correction with obedience but make no mistake. Orthodoxy must be enforced. The Church is not a democracy.
Report Post »ChevalierdeJohnstone
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:15pmThese “nuns” disagree with the Vatican on issues such as the Vatican’s instruction that faith organizations should not be run for a profit. Besides promoting leftist and anti-Christian causes, these “nuns” have been pocketing some of the contributions made to them for their own benefit.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:01pmYou go girls!!! The Hierachy is so out of step with the lay, priest and & nuns. They seem ti think they are still operating in charge of the Holy roman Empire.
Report Post »cfreedom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:11pmNewflash, the Catholic Church is not a democracy. There are some doctrines that must be believed and followed in order to claim to be catholic. Nuns swear to God to obey and follow the doctrines of the church. If they are not willing to obey then they should leave their order and go back to civilian life where they can as liberal as they like. The last thing we need in our Catholic Church are some more radical liberals. We are always open to good changes that make our prayer life better and helps us follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. There are plenty of ways to make modern changes but not in the doctrine that is based of the teachings of Christ.
Report Post »deerfawn
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:26pmI personally don’t believe as Catholics do, but if you are going to be a member than doesn’t that mean you follow their teachings if not, find another Church.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:47pmThe Nun’s have created a Schism… in the old days, alike the Knight Templars, they would have been Burnt at the Stake as Heretics!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:51pmNo, the Bishops, and Cardinals are creating the Schism. They have decided to play politics and are making sure that instead of feedingthe poor and taking care of the sick the nuns campaign for Cardinal Dolan, he is too busy paying off abusive priets.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:56pmENCINOM = troll
Report Post »voxpopuli2012
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 10:53amENCINOM, your comments demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge about Catholicism.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:25pmA word of warning to these leftists ‘nuns’ who I doubt are truly Catholic at heart: Excommunication.
Nuff said?
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:14pmYou should see see the comments in the New York Times ! They HATE the Catholic Church which had the nerve to stand up to ObamaCare ! Oh, our Far Lefties will milk this for all it’s worth ( anyone else heard about our leaky NYT and that Struxnet information ? ) Where is the FBI ? Where is the DOJ ? Oh,forgot.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 10:39pmI am Catholic by study and CHOICE! I love the Family of God in the Church. And like every family their are “skeletons,” there’s crazy “Uncle Jack,“ and there are ”black sheep”!
“Reformation” and/or “metanoia” (repentence) is never easy, and sometimes in the process some walk away (Martin Luther of the 15th-16th Century didn’t want to leave the Church, he just wanted to change abuses within the Church, but walk away he and as did others!). A living organism such as the Church, the Body of Christ, needs evaluation and clarification at times to remain healthy and vibrant.
The Church under the current Pope Benedict the XVI, is seeking to remind us all of our true calling as Catholics and as the Family of God. May the Holy Spirit guide the Bishops in this time of strong witness and direction. Amen.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:14pmThe Vatican is the head of the Catholic Church. As I understand it, not being Catholic myself, one of the vows that a Nun takes is to follow the orders of the Vatican. If they feel that they unable to then it is time for them to quit and start their own Church, not the Vatican change to fit the Nun’s desires. If they don’t like it, quit.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:27pmActually Jesus is the Head of the Catholic church.
The pope is only the local administrator.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:13pmWhat a dupe. The so called news reporters put anti-church rhetoric into her mouth and she agrees with them. Her own words indicate her opposition to the church – calling the bishops “the Hierarchy” and the calling for democracy in the church.
This woman is not Catholic, she is a humanist liberal.
I was also impressed by her total lack of scriptural reference for her positions – “Equality of women in the church”, “Support of gay lifestyle”?
I think she made the bishop’s point. By denying ANY wrong doing, refusing to cooperate vs. making their case in the church and challenging the churches authority to even define and monitor the teaching of Catholic doctrine.
Christianity is not a democracy.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:14pmWell said… and an excellent understanding!
Report Post »grandma7
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 11:11pmLife long Catholic here, with periods of profound connection to the Church’s doctrine. I’m going through this connection, right now. I‘m coming to the conclusion that the people haven’t left the Church, the leaders left the people…
There is no way she can quote Scripture….Scripture is proof that she and her group are not Christ based, at all.
She needs to connect with EWTN….they are stepping up for Christ, right now. Who knew a TV station would become the strongest and most factual base of the Catholic Church…..Welcome Back to the people…Thank you EWTN….
Report Post »Mr.G
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:10pmAs a Roman Catholic since birth (a “cradle Catholic”) who ignored the church for some 40 years until I returned I feel compelled to remind these nuns what they taught me in grades 1 thru 6 (I attended a parochial school, Dominican nuns taught therer): the Pope is infallible in matters of faith. Seems the good nuns have forgotten what they taught me a millions like me.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:53pmAsa another cradle catholic, that is a lie told by the pope. This Hitler Youth in Rome with Cardinal Law at his year is as corrupt as they come. Watch the scandles in Rome.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:02pm@ENCINOM is a troll
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:53pmMrG says the pope is infallible.The roman catholic church is the best man made religion in the world
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:14pm@IAMPRAYING4U “The roman catholic church is the best man made religion in the world”
While Jesus was both God and born as a man, I don’t think your statement is accurate.
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Clearly God built the church.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:02am@ enicom
Is a troll and a “cradle Catholic” who is apostate and/or has excomminicated him/her self if he/she no longer believes in the authority of the Pope when he speaks “ex cathedra” (from “the chair”), don’t let the door hit you. . . . Would love to “miss you” in this world (you can get very boring!), but sure would hate to “miss you” in the next!
“Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 2:38, NIV)
God bless. . .
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 6:01pmMR.G – Welcome home.
Report Post »South Philly Boy
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:09pmWhat they are doing is causing SCANDAL & PAIN
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:59pmShe’s an activist for Social Justice? That just about says it all…..
Report Post »PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:50pmThis may hurt but I am going to tell you the truth. Anyone who follows Catholic doctrine is forever lost.
Report Post »If you don’t agree read the Bible for yourself. I have won many Catholics to the Lord using the Bible. Jesus Christ provided salvation totally free as a gift. No good works are required to be a believer and saved. Good works + Jesus Christ to be saved leave you unsaved. Salvation is solely by Jesus Christ alone. Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are you saved by faith, and not of yourselfs, it is a gift of God, not by works, lest anyone would boast.”
The pope is a false prophet. Don’t believe me? Study the “fish god” hat he is wearing above. Study the Knights of Malta cross he is wearing above. Study the doctrines of church tradition found no where in the Bible. It’s all a lie of deception. I know that hurts but it’s true. Do your own research.
inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:23pm@PROSECUTE
Thanks for the comment Satan. Appearently you would like to lead God’s people astray.
Jesus Christ’s own words in Mathew 25: 41-46.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Do not dare say no works are required of God’s people. For while it is true that we are only saved through Christ’s mercy, we can be denied salvation by ignoring God’s Word.
But then the devil would like us to believe we can deny his Word and live as non-repentant sinners.
Report Post »JimmyP
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:01pmPPFCR, Pullese, take your foolish arguemnts somewhere else! This is a forum abt a small group of people who think they should be incharge of the entire Church because they have formed a false postion by using made up facts that are contrary to 2000 years of traditions and teaching. Opps, sorry, that is exactly what you are doing…
Report Post »Warpspeedpetey
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:12pmChrist gave authority to Peter. Belief in Sola Scriptura means that you implicitly accept our authority to define the faith. No man has the right to interpret the Gospel apart from the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. James said that faith that does not produce good works is dead. There is no such thing as Faith apart from works. We hardly need this kind of statement when secular forces are seeking to destroy us. If we do not hang together, surely we will hang apart.
Report Post »rpp
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:23pmI did my research just as you suggested. That is why I converted to the Catholic Church a few years ago. I mean, for one thing, the Catholic Church was around before the Bible was even finished being written.
As for these “nuns”, “by their fruit ye shall know them.” Unlike faithful orders, most of the houses these nuns are members of are dying on the vine as they have few, if any, new vocations. In 20 years, most of them will simply have disappeared through attrition. If it were not for the grave harm they do to souls, including their own, I would be inclined to leave them alone. Yet it is because of this great harm and scandal they bring then the assistance and guidance which, due to their grave and persistent errors, can only come directly from the Holy See is the only way to help correct them or, at the very least, guide those whom they lead astray back.
Report Post »iampraying4u
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:04pmRPP there was no roman cathloc church for 325 years AD
Report Post »IrishGuy26
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:46pmI’m curious, wh started your protestant religion? Remember, it was Jesus, Himself, that started the Catholic religion via Peter. Every Pope from Benedict back to Peter can be named in succession. Your protestant religion is the one that is of man. You’re following what is essentially a Catholic schism, you need to get in communion with the Catholic Church if you ant to be “saved.”
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:50pm@IAMPRAYING4U
“RPP there was no roman cathloc[sic] church for 325 years AD”
RPP did not say the “Roman” Catholic Church. He said the Catholic Church.
Yes the Catholic church was around since Jesus started it. See Matthew 16 and Acts.
The church moved to Rome, some time before 67AD, according to historians and Acts 28. The church had extended into Rome, and after the martyr of Peter in 67 AD, the disciples stayed there and continued to evangelize.
The term Catholic Church was first coined in 110AD by Ignatius of Antioch, a bishop of Antioch ordained by Peter.
The term “Roman Catholic” was not used until much later roughly 1618.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 6:45pm@PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON – You quote a verse commonly used by Protestants to convince people that obedience to God is not necessary for Salvation but you should have kept reading. Paul went on to say in Eph 5:3-12
“But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them”
I pray that you will read more of scripture and not just focus on anchor verses (John 3:16, John 3:36, Rom 3:28, Rom 10:9) used to deceive people they they are saved by faith alone (James 2:14-27) and obedience to God is not necessary. God Bless
Matt 7:21
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Mark 3:35
Mark 4:24
Mark 7:15
Mark 8:34-35
Mark 9:42-50
Mark 10:11-12
Mark 10:29
Mark 11:25
Mark 13:13
Mark 13:36
Luke 9:23
Luke 11:28
Luke 14:27
Luke 18:9-14
Luke 18:29-30
John 6:48-58
John 6:66
John 8:51
John 9:31
John 12:48
John 12:50
John 13:17
John 14:15
John 14:21
John 14:23
John 15:10
Acts 10:34-35
inblack
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 7:49pm@SNOOOP1E
Thank you. Good information.
Report Post »RedBaronConservative
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 1:25amYou & Your arrogance got all your accusations of the church facts all wrong! The Roman Catholic Church has been using the Bible and Traditions since the early time of the Christian church(Most of you evangelical’s do not use (Tradition) . Today! it still uses the same teachings and wonder why the Catholic Church is the greatest, biggest, strongest, growing christian church out there since day one. Someone is jealous! get a life and unite with the true church! or be in an alliance within.Without the Catholic Church you evangelicals protestants could not hold down the fort! The Muslims will conquer you like no tomarrow! God Is With Us!
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 7:44am@ PPSfCT
There is ONE FATHER, God the Almighty; ONE SON, The Word with God from the beginning; ONE SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit, One in Being with the Father and the Son–a triune God! There is ONE CHURCH, “His Church” founded on Jesus, The Cornerstone, overseen by Peter the rock (who was made “solid” in Christ through the Father–Peter, a man that failed on his own throughout Jesus time here on earth!), is guided by Jesus through the Holy Spirit, “teacher, consoler, defender, guide.”
After His Resurrection, Jesus gave His disciples this Great Commission: “Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.’” Matthew 28:18-20
Repeatedly the Apostles, the Disciples, and Paul remind Jesus followers to “pass on” ALL WE HAVE TAUGHT YOU as seen in the above and in I Corinthians 11:2, II Thessalonians 2:2 & 15, Tutis 1:9, I John, chapter 2:26-27, written long before much of the New Covenant was written, and definitely before it was compiled (through the Catholic Church!).
“Sola Scriptura” IS NOT IN THE BIBLE! Therefore I ask my fellow “Bible readers/”scholars,” what does John 6:25-68 REALLY SAY, ESPECIALLY vs. 52, 60, & 66 (keep them in context)?
“Memorial” YES, but
Report Post »DIVINEPROVIDENCE1776
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:48pmThe Vatican needs to come out swinging even harder then. Too bad sisters. Your social justice(communism) supporting and promoting agenda will fit in perfectly at Jim Wallis’s church.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:56pmHow dare nuns care for the sick and the poor, they should be campaign for Cardinal Dolan.
Report Post »rpp
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:29pm@Enicom, too bad that is not what these nuns are doing. Instead they are trying to help kill babies and change the story of Genesis to read “Adam and Steve”.
Take your silliness to where it belongs. Oh wait, there is no such place.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 5:22pm@ enicom (or whatever your name is. . . )
The particular “Sister” (not officially “nun” since they don’t live in a nunnery or monastery), featured in this artice is NEITHER “working with the poor” or “healing the sick”! In fact, she is “campaigning” for her own wants and wishes, and rallying others to be disrespectful and disgruntled against the Church that she says everytime she celebrates a service that includes the Nicene Creed, she believe in and supports–a Church with four “marks”–it is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. Yet this organization and the representatives of it have continually since the 1970′s voiced their opinions and their unsupport of the Church they say they embrace.
The Church has in repeatedly but gently shown them the error or their ways, but “they want what they want when they want it”!
So following the form of discipline for believers and within the Church as outlined in the Bible, Matthew 18:15-18 and 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15, the discipline of this group of wayward purportedly Catholic organization is at the point of “public correction.”
Finally, JESUS NOR TRADITION NOT THE BIBLE TEACHES SOCIAL JUSTICE, rahter, religious justice is exampled in the Beatitudes of Matthew 5, and elsewhere throughout both the Old Covenant and the New Covenenat. God will not tolerate less than rightousness in His prescence, that‘s why Jesus died for man’s sins. Does that mean those who accept this premise for themselves are perfect? B
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:48pmI believe there is a lot of truth to the vatican report. I am Catholic and I know Catholics who were shocked at some nuns positions on abortion and same sex marriage within the church.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:32pmAgree. Have to wonder how Pelosi, with her political stands, can still be a ” Catholic.“ Giving ” bad example” used to be considered a sin. Think excommunication needs some reviewing.
Report Post »hillbillyinny
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 9:57pmWhen John Paul II visited the U.S. for the first time as Pope, I was proud to participate in the Mass held at the “circle” in front of the Basillica of Saints Peter and Paul and hear this holy and humble man in the early days of his time as shepherd of a large and changing flock, speak on the readings from the Bible for that day, and expound on we the people as the Church of God.
A couple of days (I believe after), I was APPALLED when while he was visiting Washington, D.C., a nun in a “non-habit” suit, honored his presence, but spoke to him about changes she and others wanted of the Church that were demanding and demeaning in comparison to the already honored callings of all women within the Church. I was embarrassed that some did not understand that women, dedicated Religious and laity, already possessed gifts for the service to the people of God and those not yet part of God’s family. That all women are called to serve in so many ways from raising the future Church through their children and grandchildren; to feeding and caring for family members, friends and others who needed their help; to teaching, caring for the sick and less than skillful, to “praying always” as they go throughout their day as a dedicated Religious person, as a wife and mother, or as a single person young or old.
These individuals are self-serving and selfish in their understanding of the Church and their demands to have their own way! To whom “much is given, much is demanded.” (Luke 12
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:29am@Barber2: After her last statement and some comments here, I looked into that as well. Pelosi is essentially excommunicated due to her continual statements that are in opposition of Catholic doctrine. She can call herself Catholic all she wants, that doesn’t mean she is. While it would be nice for the Pope to publicly announce that her and those like her have been excommunicated, that would be a mere formality and unnecessary.
Report Post »RedBaronConservative
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 1:36amWell Said! and all the true liberals need to leave the church or reconcile with the church and remember what God really wants! Faith, Family, Morals, and Values.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:47pmIf anybody is causing pain for the Catholic Church, it’s the fake liberal Catholics who want to force the church to follow the modern world instead of sticking with Biblical teachings.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:19pmAmen to that!
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:28pmAgree. Social justice is all about the material. Jesus was not.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:06pmOf course the Catoholic’s HIeracrhy Dogma that human life begins ay conception on has only been a prt of church Dogma since 1900. The nus are for social justice as Christ was. The leadership is out of touch with their lay, nus & priests.
Besides the Chucrch has no business interfering with civil laws in our Democracy.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 8:33pm@BERNBART
1) What does it matter when the church proclaimed life begins at conception? Does that make it any more or less true.
2) Your statement about Christ and the Catholic nuns being for Social Justice is meaningless. The term is loosely defined at best and I’d like to see a scriptural reference for your point as well.
3) Your statement of the leadership being out of touch is meaningless. How so? On what points?
4) The church is not interfering with civil laws, the govt is interfering in the church.
5) We don’t live in a democracy we live in a Constitutional Republic.
Hope that helps.
Report Post »JediKnight
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 12:32am@Bernbart: What you don’t understand is that just because they made the statement in 1900, doesn’t mean it became true in 1900. It has always been true, they just didn’t make the statement until 1900. Similar to the Founding Fathers that made the statements of all men being created equal with certain unalienable rights. It didn’t start being true in 1776. It was always true, it just wasn’t written in that way until that point.
Report Post »snooop1e
Posted on June 2, 2012 at 6:03pmAmen!!! PRAY!
Report Post »RedBaronConservative
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 2:01amyou mean Catholic Liberals like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, The Kennedy’s, John Kerry, Kathleen Sebelius, Ben Nelson, and Etc…! It’s time to Excommunicate them all!
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 6:47pmSell the Vatican, feed the world.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:29pmHate the rich. Vote Democrat.
Report Post »inblack
Posted on June 1, 2012 at 7:55pmWhat a dope. The Vatican is feeding the world.
Bankers‘ best guesses about the Vatican’s wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion [The Catholic Churches in the US raises $5.5 Billion every weekend, so the Total Wealth of the Vatican is small in comparison]. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians.
The church is not a spa. The pope does not play 100 rounds of golf on the taxpayer dollar, like obama.
Report Post »Beerbear
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 1:47amNo Inblack, the pope just travels around, lives in his palace and sits on billions of wealth. Those are billions in the double digits. And then they whine at the rest of the world to give them money. Lead by example. But the vatican is just as bad as the rest. In some EU countries the church whines about the horrible, horrible poverty in those countries, together with the rabid left wing.
Btw, the 10 billion guess is ridiculous. Alone the property they own is worth a lot more than that.
But sure defend the fascist vatican. Yes, fascist. When Ratzinger was elected, who got to vote? The church members? Of course not, they are just sheep to be milked and oppressed.
Ban all religion. Put all religion on trial. Keep the trial based on facts. Find out which religion actually benefits mankind. Current “Christianity” wouldn’t survive long. It has long since moved away from what Jesus preached and has been hijacked by power hungry fascists for centuries.
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