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NY Police Officer Shoots and Kills Son He Thought Was An Intruder

NY Police Officer Shoots and Kills Son He Thought Was An Intruder

A police officer in New York shot and killed his son, who investigators say he thought was an intruder.

The Post-Standard of Syracuse reports that the 59-year-old Rochester man and Parry Police Department Officer was staying in a motel in Old Forge in the Adirondack Mountains where the shooting occurred Saturday morning. The man called 9-1-1 to report the shooting early Saturday, when he said he just shot someone he thought was an intruder. The intruder turned out to be his 37-year-old son, who is now dead. Troopers say the officer used his department-issued .45-caliber Glock handgun in the shooting. The shooter has been hospitalized and the investigation is continuing.

An ambulance paramedic told the Utica Observer-Dispatch that when he arrived on the scene, the father was “very distraught.” The paper reports that the crime is Herkimer County’s first homicide of the year.

Following the horrific shooting in Colorado Friday, debate has been renewed among political commentators in regards to gun control.

 

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  • OneTermPresident
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:03pm

    The LEFT would love to make us all subjects… instead of citizens.

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    • hayesstephen
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:22pm

      Yahweh grant Paradise to that young man and that the father recovers from this living nightmare. Grant him peace of Yahweh God.

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:01pm

      This story is tragic beyond belief. I cannot even imagine…

      The fact is that for every story of some person saving the day and preventing a crime because they had a gun, there are 1000 or 10,000 of people who got killed by gun who wouldn’t have otherwise. People who shoot themselves by mistake. Or on purpose. Children killed by playing with guns or adults cleaning guns.

      Everybody says that Americans would still kill other Americans if they didn’t have guns. But you don’t hear stories about somebody climbing up on the UT tower like Whitman and killing people with a hammer do you? Nobody walks into theatre and kills twelve people with a knife. Unlike anything the Founders ever imagined in the single shot musket days, a person can kill hundreds of people in a minute with the guns we have today.

      Guns are here to stay. I accept that. Actually I don’t have a problem with anyone owning a gun. But as long as people have the ability kill 100 people with a single magazine and then reload and kill another 100, these things are going to happen. Having the ability to kill 100 people in a minute or two does not add to anyone’s ability to protect themselves from an assailant. Having that ability serves only one purpose: to kill a lot of innocent people in a short time.

      We‘ve seen it used before and we’ll see it used again. The thing we won’t see is that used for a moral purpose.

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    • skippy6
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:04pm

      @JZS Join the NRA and You will see that guns do have a moral purpose… It’s called self defense, meaning protecting yourself and your family and people in danger of being killed by Evil people like the Colorado shooter…Oh,…. you will never see the stories of guns being used this way in the news, you have to read armed citizen to get the stories….That’s why gun free zones are stupid and make no sense whatsoever…..Think about it….. let it sink in for a few days…..and the hopefully common sense will make sense……..

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    • Secret Squirrel
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:19pm

      .
      So the NY cop shoots his own kid, and 25 members from his precinct
      swore the kid had a gun, and they saw the whole thing.

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    • NeoFan
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 2:27am

      In Mexico it’s a 30 year mandatory sentence for possessing a firearm. Seems to be working out well there for the average law abiding citizen. The cartels don’t have to worry about getting shot. That theater in Colorado did not allow any permit holders to carry on the premises. That worked out well for one mans purpose. What type of gun did Tim McVey use again?

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    • gbcarync
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 8:58am

      “The fact is that for every story of some person saving the day and preventing a crime because they had a gun, there are 1000 or 10,000 of people who got killed by gun who wouldn’t have otherwise. People who shoot themselves by mistake. Or on purpose. Children killed by playing with guns or adults cleaning guns. ” – GFZ

      The exact opposite is true. Check out http://gunfacts.info/

      Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.

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  • skippy6
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:55pm

    Most hunting accidents occur because the shooter did not know what their target was….Never point your gun at something that you can’t see or are not sure of!!!! If you have been drinking lock that gun up…If you have kids you have to be twice as careful….In other words KNOW YOUR TARGET!!

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    • RedManBlueState
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 11:49am

      Many hunting accidents result from trying to aim a gun with beer goggles on. Gives all hunters a bad rep.

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  • JamesTeaPartyMac
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:54pm

    This story is just fish smelling as can be. Why would he be in a motel and not be able to tell it is his son in a tiny room. He would know if his son was coming to the motel because he is a police officer. This man was SHI_ Faced. He murdered his 37 year old son on purpose.

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:10pm

      I have to agree Jamesteapartymac,somethings fishy here.

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:12pm

      And whats difference does it make what brand name pistol he used, come on Blaze, though you guys were better than the MsM……..

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    • MeteoricLimbo
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:43pm

      @ Blazebanned
      reporting; who what when where why and how……ace

      I personally like the Glock but for that darn trigger, Its like pulling a cat off a screen door and makes stabilization difficult but that’s just my opinion

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:46pm

      I cannot belive any person would intentionally murder their own flesh and blood although it happens sometimes..but in the case of someone walking in on you at night..it would be an easy mistake..you would think that the son would have said something or knocked on the door especially knowing that his dad was an armed police officer, and you would have thought the officer would have said “freeze” I have a gun”….there was negligence on both parts.. I am sure the officer is torn up unless of couse he had a big insurance policy on his son..that could change the whole perspective. THat has been a motive of many a murder..between married persons..remember the policeman in NY who went through the wives with insurance policies? Same with some mom murdering her children for either the attention or the policies..I have seen this go both ways.. I hope that this was just one of those unfortunate accidents..If it was..my heart goes out to the dad..It would be a hard thing to live with. But what are they going to do..ban guns from law enforcement now?

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    • Turin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:19pm

      Agree. This stinks it high heaven IMO.

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    • scrudge
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 4:25pm

      very fishy…… drugs or booze involved I bet

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    • Yojimbonin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:21pm

      Something may be “fishy” here, but you then jump to irrational conclusions with no evidence, making anything you say suspect. If he WAS drunk, a blood test would reveal it, and it COULD still be accidental. Then you state it was purposeful murder. Why would he plan a murder, then get drunk and risk screwing up. You make NO sense.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 8:09pm

      Just to give the benefit of doubt, it’s possible he was in the middle of a nasty divorce and staying in a hotel until he could find his own place. His son could have just found out and decided to visit his father. He could also have been having an affair, and the son found out he was at the hotel and wanted to confront him. There are just too many possibilities for speculation. There is more to this story than is being reported. But you can bet the left will have us like British Police Officers….Bobbies have a night stick, so they yell stop and if you don’t stop, they yell stop again.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:48pm

    see ex military and police officers are not the safest parents to have it seems, more issue like this happens in those families than average, hear it on the news all the time.

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    • woebegone
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:00pm

      Individualism–While I know that is the common impression I don’t know that it is actually true. I know this is what makes it into the papers, but domestic violence, domestic abuse, sexual and physical abuse of children happens all the time in all sorts of families from every strata of society. So agreed, these cases are what we hear about in the National news but truth be told the vast majority of these cases don’t even make it to the news. So I question whether the “impression” is accurate.

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  • Walkabout
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:46pm

    Obviously, we must ban police from having guns including those that protect politicians.

    We must have a zero tolerance policy.

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    • Thighmaster
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:52pm

      Politicians don’t go by the same rules as the rest of us. Some are more equal than others…

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  • NeoKong
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:24pm

    Sounds like some heavy drinking was involved here.

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  • TexasIndependant
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:21pm

    James Holmes likely affiliated with Intelligence community. Shootings took place at a midnight showing in Colorado. 1. Crazed Killer simply walks to his car and waits to be arrested peacefully. (Unlikely Scenario) 2. 3:30 AM James Holmes is in Federal Custody(Responce Time Unlikely Scenario) 3. 6:00 AM Federal Authorities know everything about every gun, where he bought it, magazines, ammunition. (Extremely Unlikely Scenario).4. Rapid arrest and rapid transfer to federal authorities to control information released. ( Likely Plot by Intelligence community).

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    • barber2
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:34pm

      And you are likely spreading rumors..why ?

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    • pwatkins
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:55pm

      Barber….He isn’t spreading rumors, but only stating information we have been told via the media. The media would be the source of rumors and ….why? I agree with Texasindependent…organizing skills in play here? Unplanned scnerios like this could only come together this fast in your nightmares.

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    • Winedude
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:01pm

      Cool! I just knew that if I looked on “The Blaze” that I would find some sort of conspiracy theory regarding a demented shooter. Not too surprising that the rumor monger is from Texas…

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:33pm

      @whinedude aka encinom.
      Im from Texas as well, you have the ****** to come here and spew your californacation crappola? I think not you cowardly little puke.

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    • Yojimbonin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:28pm

      Stupid rumor idiot. Feds responded quickly 3 hours? thats a while. many gunmen and murderers surrender, it is rarer to kill themselves. (FACT) Also, he had weapons, recently purchased on site. FEDS run numbers on priority, get gun history in few minutes (they were new), and they don’t have long history

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    • Yojimbonin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:30pm

      By the way, Blazebanned, you show why you should be banned. You are vile and rude, and need to get a life.

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    • vadale
      Posted on July 23, 2012 at 8:03am

      in the first place. the fbi has all info on every purchase. a simple key stroke, and his records are all right there. fed field offices everywhere makes it very easy be on the scene in no time…basically your full of crap. you might be a nice guy, but full of crap.

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:16pm

    enough already. go back to HuffPo. get off the cop’s back. this has nothing to do with gun control or guns. obviously the adult son gave the LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER father enough indication to think he was an intruder — not his son or a welcomed person.

    that CO registered-democrat movie-theater-massacre shooter has every communist anti-American nutjob screaming ”gun control”.

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    • Thighmaster
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:49pm

      His son was supposed t meet him there like they do every year and the dad shoots the son in the right back and you don’t find this strange ? The door has a deadbolt and a knob lock, maybe I’m just naturally suspicious.

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    • macpappy
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:10pm

      Not gun control, incompetent cop control.

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  • EBL
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:14pm

    This is not a gun control story. The officer used his department issued weapon. Very very sad. We do not know all the facts yet, but my prayers and condolences.

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:55pm

      “This is not a gun control story.”

      Yes, it is. Cons love to talk big about what they would do if they had a gun, and an intruder tried to break into their house. Well, what happened here is actual much more likely to happen, statistically speaking. Also more likely is that a child in the home will find the gun and accidentally shooting themselves or a friend.

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    • Yojimbonin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:37pm

      actually “vance” statistics show FAR more home defense scenarios ending well, and lives saved than not. I can cite MANY sources, but you just made it up. Over 1 million home defenses, most not ending in death occur every year. 65 million own guns, yet few accidental shootings occur, in fact of all the shooting deaths in the US,less than 2% are accidental (FBI). This was a legally issued gun, not one subject to controls. Pedal your lies elsewhere.

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  • Thighmaster
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:08pm

    Wouldn’t an intruder kick the door in or break a window ? I always put the chain in or the backup locking mechanism UNLESS I’m expecting someone else to enter on their own.

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  • yathink
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:01pm

    No matter the facts reveled in this situation. This is not about gun control. This is about gun uncontrolled.
    Providing the father is truly dis trot and the son was not there to harm or kill the father. Be sure it will get twisted.

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  • taxpro4u03
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:00pm

    “WE DON’T KNOW!” — not enuff details, and POOR journalism to ‘communicate’ to a morbid-curiosity “Perry Mason to CSI crime scene TV” brainwashed society — OH — ‘ratings.’ I fergot — We‘re SO ’civilized’ that basic human instincts (you know — when it used to be just lightting campfires to keep saber-toothed tigers and other neanderthals from causing us to ‘not exist’) are deemed ‘uncivilized’ — Morons with earplugs/iPods cross BUSY streets etc all day long believing ‘we will STOP’ to avoid sending them into the underworld. society has a great big empty hole in it when it comes to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of all stripes. They don‘t know HOW to ’stay alive,‘ don’t care, or think it‘s ’someone else‘s ’job’ to do it for them. Therein is 90% of American ‘civilized’ society‘s ’problem.’ MONEY based-generated… :-)

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    • taxpro4u03
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:18pm

      addendum(b) –> ‘manifest destiny’ ‘began’ in North America when chris columbus BORROWED money from the queen of Spain to seek ‘spices and gold’ ‘west.’ He landed in the west Indies, found FRIENDLY, helpful ‘humans,’ but no spices or gold… so ‘civilized man’ killed some (to scare ‘em into compliance — like the ‘crucifixion stories) — and took a few back to sell as slaves to settle his debt with the queen… same damn story of the king of england‘s ’VA CHARTER (COMMERCE)’ deal of 1606 — were it NOT for the FRIENDLY humans, they’d have died out… venture FAILED — It was ‘caucasian LUST for COMMERCE,’ see…. history sux don’t it? It‘s all there for anyone with the GUTS to get to the ROOTS of it without whining about ’opinions…’ — get the TRUTH, people :-) {That‘s why the world ’hates us…” Ron Paul — he’s PART right…}

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    • Yojimbonin
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:44pm

      Taxpro Yes history “sux”, especially your lies. Manifest destiny was invented as a phrase after the birth of the U.S., so do not say Columbus used it. Second, Indians he met were 3 tribes, 2 at war with each other, the third a nearby group of raiding canibals, not the peaceful friendlies you describe. Settlers did not need indians to survive, as they already were farmers when they came. it was thier attempt at socialism that nearly wiped them out (read a book). that fairy tale went out with school plays at Thanksgiving. You can be a self-hating lib all you want, but try to use the truth once in awhile.

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  • TexasIndependant
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:59am

    False Flag Operations currently underway in USA! Say goodbye to your 2nd Amendment. The Media attacks will increase significantly. This was predicted by SYOPS US MILITARY 2 YEARS AGO to be a likely scenario right around the time of the UN Small Arms Treaty! Make no mistake the Intelligence Community and CIA are very good at this. They have perfected it overseas and now they are using SYOPS on Americans!

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    • yathink
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:11pm

      You said a mouth full and I agree with you. It’s for sure game on TexasIndependent!

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    • VanceUppercut
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:04pm

      @TexasIndependant

      Hey, where do you buy your tinfoil hats? I’d like to get me one.

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    • Exrepublisheep
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:13pm

      @Vance. They used to get them from Caldors but the CIA didn’t like that so they shut Caldors down. Plus there was the same old problem of Democrats sneeking mind-controllers into the hats so now the nut jobs…er….true Americans I mean, just make them themeselves.

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  • Constructionist
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:52am

    Police in Britain don’t carry guns. They never accidently shoot their own children. America’s senseless gun laws allowing armed police must end now. Disarm the local, state, and federal police agencies. Then, we’ll be able to live safely and peacefully, just like they do in the rest of the world. Do if for the children.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:01pm

      I FEEL like that is dripping with sarcasm…its a sad commentary on the US that our lefties REALLY ARE stupid enough to make that argument…that is why I can’t be sure if your being sarcastic or not :(

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    • Dom321
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:01pm

      Please post an “I am not armed” sign on your window. That will make you and all our children safer.

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    • GoodStuff
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:03pm

      You forgot your sarcasm tag.

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    • feverpitch
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:04pm

      So when the criminal has a gun, do they just wave their batons at him and say, “Please drop your weapon”? Don’t dance around the question. When there are hostages do they again wave their batons and say, “Let those hostages go, you mean criminals that have guns and we don’t”?

      I think you brits should just shut the hell up about America. We don’t need your opinion.

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:05pm

      @Constructionist:
      YOU are a true leftist IDIOT. People kill people. And, SOME PEOPLE. not ALL PEOPLE, SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS.

      Accidents happen and the leftist media outlets will do everything possible to USE THIS AS AN ANTI-GUN CAMPAIGN. It is simply ridiculous, asinine, and plain IGNORANT OF THE TRUE FACTS.

      Personally, I would rather READ OR HEAR ALL THE FACTS ABOUT THIS CASE BEFORE I MAKE A PERSONAL DETERMINATION about this incident. YOU ARE IGNORANT. You are the same leftist commie who would rather OUTLAW ALL GUNS WITH ONLY THE CRIMINALS BEING ABLE TO GET THEM IN THE BLACK MARKET. Then, when those same criminals come to your home to INVADE YOUR PRIVACY, STEAL YOUR GOODS AND KILL YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN, then you will change your mind. You live in your own private cushy little world around a TV and Radio listening to the OUTLAW GUN IDIOTS and you THINK YOU ARE SAFE. YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY SAY BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT THEY SAY is not based on true facts, but fallacies.

      What will you outlaw next? KNIVES? BOW AND ARROWS? YOU ARE TRULY A MORON IF YOU THINK OUTLAWING GUNS WILL MAKE YOU SAFER.

      Lord God, where do these idiots come from?? I AM SURE THEY DID NOT COME FROM YOU, LORD. SO, THEY MUST COME FROM SATAN.

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    • RightUnite
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:08pm

      No, they don’t, just the criminals and thugs kill their children, because they still have guns…. Stop being so d*mn stupid!

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    • I support God's Israel!
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:20pm

      @usedCZARsalesman:
      If the commenter can WRITE IT, then HE THOUGHT IT OUT, which to me, means, HE BELIEVES IT.
      Saying something on a blog or comment board takes a thought process.

      THIS IDIOT BELIEVES HE IS RIGHT. I don’t believe it is sarcasm. HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE HE IS A TRUE MORON.

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    • taxpro4u03
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:52pm

      hm — ‘Progressives(?)’ — from the Farm (First Americans – Natives) to the cities (in the name of COMMERCE/slaves and ‘ownership,’ versus God-commanded STEWARDSHIP/fellowship) – even NYC GLENN scrambled to them thar hills in Tejas to attempt a lil ‘preppers’ lifestyle ‘change.‘ Might just git kicked in the haid pullin’ Bessie‘s teats milkin her twice’t a day — law of averages for ‘untrained’ country boys — perhaps StuTistics will enlighten us to the ‘facts’ on farm ‘converts’ ;-) I‘m going with you can take the boy out of the city but you can’t take the city out of the boy — 1:1million for NRA members; 1:11,000 for pools — what is it for ‘Homesteader wannabes?’ – HIGH – Oregon Trail pioneer etc History tells us what THEY were willing to sacrifice to get away from ‘the Crown/D.C. bossman’… No disrespect intended. Returning to NATURAL LAW will allow survival of the SPECIES… PERIOD. The Indians KNEW this – and were VERY knowledgeable – but the ‘caucasians’ kilt their food source (buff’s) and stuck ‘em on reservations — in the name of COMMERCE. Now our own ‘buff’s’ are being kilt: (rancid beef/JOBS? EBT cards/RFID CHIPS — coming soon) to keep US on ‘reservations’ via the ‘Eminent Domain’/housing market tanking crap :-) “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it appears to rhyme.” ~Mark Twain — Repubs/Dems/Indep — SAME STRIPES since at LEAST Thomas Jefferson was Prez… (1800-1890′s was the REAL holocaust swept under the rug…. eh?

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    • stormerwasright
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 5:42pm

      Interesting FACT …more teens will die this year due to sports injuries than die from gun shots. I know, a bunch of folks don’t like those pesky FACTS. One teen an hour….

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    • macpappy
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:15pm

      The Brits are a bunch of wussies, and don’t need guns. We are a free people and that is how we stay that way.

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  • cassandra
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:50am

    this is what happens when the police department started lowering their standards to become a police officer what happened to the word HALT either this so called officer of the law is a total moron or there is more to the story

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    • Winedude
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:08pm

      More likely a moron. While there are certainly cops that join the force because they want to “Protect & Serve”, I seriously doubt that is even close to a quarter of the numbers on local police or sheriff’s forces. Way too many of the cops I’ve encountered have been absolute pigs, demanding respect and deserving absolutely none. This trigger-happy fool is a good example of the latter…

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  • RANGER1965
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:49am

    Someone’s lying. There’s more to this.

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  • ReviveOurNation
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:45am

    Explain to me how Gun Control would prevent a police officer from using a service weapon? Idiotic!

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    • woebegone
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:03pm

      It wouldn’t. It wouldn’t have helped in Aurora. The truth is that in this case, the guy thought he was protecting himself and for all we know he was. In the case of Aurora this guy was going to find a way, and as it turns out if having a gun wasn’t the least of it, it was certainly part of a larger plan. This is what the gun control people do not understand–or maybe. cynically they do–the first thing a totalitarian government does is disarm the public. This in the end is the promise of the right to bear arms–to prevent an abusive government to rule without consequence or the ability of the opposition to mount substantial resistance. Does this come with consequence?, absolutely. I have to think about it more, but I am not sure that my government needs to keep me safe, I think maybe it needs to keep me able to be self reliant, and ultimately free. I have to think about it. I don’t know that my urge for safety overwhelms my need for the government to leave me alone. I surely do want for the government to leave me alone.

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    • yathink
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:27pm

      Revive, It won’t
      Woe, Short view is the government protects us from foreign invasion. The second Amendment protects us from within our our boarders from those who wish us harm including the government. What has been lost is we control it. It does not control us.

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    • woebegone
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Yathink–I’m right there with you. I know that the 2nd amendment is always held forth as being an archaic accommodation for the possibility of foreign invasion when America was still small and relatively weak. But whether or not the writers had the imagination to envision a time when the American government would take action to abuse its own is always unclear. Truth be told, they had just been abused by their own government (the British government) and had to raise arms to protect themselves and in the process gained independence. In the process the British were reconceptualized as “foreigners”. The lesson to me is that when your own government seeks to indenture you that makes them both toxic and foreign. So I think the writers were well aware of this and so–the right to bear arms. But I realize this is an arguable opinion. I also realize that I want to be safe, I don’t want to have to worry that going to a movie, or going to work, or walking down the street will end my life, maybe that however is the price paid for living in the times we do.

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    • cykonas
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 7:04pm

      @WOEBEGONE
      I know that the 2nd amendment is always held forth as being an archaic accommodation for the possibility of foreign invasion when America was still small and relatively weak.
      —————————————————————————————————————————————————-
      I beg to differ with you. The 2nd Amendment was designed to protect the citizens of the newly formed United States of America from a government that might turn tyrannical . Secondarily it was about foreign invasions, but the primary deterrent there was, and is, the Armed Forces of the United States.

      It’s an important distinction best summed up in this quote. “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” (Thos. Jefferson) Peace.

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  • COFemale
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:42am

    How tragic, may his son RIP.

    What made this police officer jump the gun and shoot before he identified the person. The report says early morning and it seems if he was in a motel the person either had a key or he would yell out, I have a gun. What if it was a maid who thought the room was empty and wanted to get an early start.

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  • Mapache
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:38am

    A motel room is not that big so the officer must have been in the dark. It seems that the officer failed to identify himself or identify his target or if the target was a threat. It would not be unheard of for the hotel staff to use their pass key and mistakenly enter an occupied room.
    Was the son staying with him? Why would his son enter the room? Did the son have a key? There is something very suspicious about all of this. I do not buy it.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:48am

      Something’s not adding up,if the son had a key he wasn’t intruding and the father would have expected him to enter the room at some point.

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  • 1Corinthians13
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:35am

    Sending prayers to the officer and his family. I can’t even imagine the pain he must be feeling right now.

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:34am

    We need car control. Outlaw cars. They kill far more… stupid.

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    • Mandors
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:42am

      If liberals had their way, individuals wouldn’t be able to own cars.

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    • Thighmaster
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:04pm

      Car control ? Apparently you haven’t heard about the oncoming GPS mileage tax… you’ll get your wish.

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  • woebegone
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:33am

    Odd Story. Why was he staying in a hotel? Why was his son entering the room in the early hours? Was any intoxication involved on anyone’s part? Has the makings of a movie or short story–clearly the back story is everything. Still despite all the literary possibilities the truth is that this is one of the saddest “news items” in a long time. So sorry for the family, all good will to all involved. Heart felt condolences to all involved for every reason.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:18pm

      Old Forge is half way across the state from Wyoming County, so I assume they were on vacation. It’s also the only town with any real night life in the very rustic Herkimer County, a part of the sate that tourists would visit mostly to go camping, hunting and fishing. If they were staying in a motel there on a Friday night, I would guess that they had been doing some drinking.

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    • woebegone
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:26pm

      You have the same ideas I do, but that comes from watching movies and reading fiction. I suspect some degree of intoxication was involved–it usually is. but WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING. As much as I join you in generating a story to explain this, it is a tendency that can potentially harm the coverage and more important the family. I am trying to exercise restraint in this way, I hope others will as well.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:08pm

      I do know a little that doesn’t come from watching movies and reading fiction because I live in New York State and I’ve been to Old Forge.

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  • willingtoupe
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:27am

    It was Gods plan.

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    • woebegone
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:37am

      It is part of the human condition that we strive to understand. I respect, even honor your ability to settle yourself in this way, I wish I could find solace in such a stance. Still.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:25am

    With all of our rights as explained in the Constitution comes the heavy burden of responsibility.

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  • NoTimeLikePresent
    Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:24am

    What a tragedy……..a horrible, horrible tragedy.

    Wonder what Bloomberg is going to say about this one…………..

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    • booger71
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:30am

      Well Bloomberg does think he is the mayor of the State of new york

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    • Want our country back
      Posted on July 22, 2012 at 11:38am

      Bloomberg said, no transfat, no salt, no assault weapons, no Big gulp…. People today keep screaming, it‘s my body and don’t tell me what to do with it, but they don’t seem to have a problem with the government taking over everything else.

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