NYC Mayor Cracks Down on Illegal Gun Sales… in Arizona?
- Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:11pm by
Meredith Jessup
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New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg pledged to strengthen control laws after the Jan. 8 Tucson shooting that left six dead and 13 injured, including Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. But while many may have thought the mayor would carry out his illegal gun crack down in New York, Bloomberg sent some of New York’s finest to Arizona to carry out an undercover investigation, part of broader effort by Bloomberg to crack down on illegal gun sales nationwide.
According to the New York Times, Bloomberg’s undercover task force was most recently sent to the Jan. 23 Crossroads of the West gun show in Phoenix.
“The background check system failed in Arizona, it failed in Virginia and it fails in states around the country,” said Bloomberg advisor John Feinblatt, referring to other investigations. “If we don’t fix it now, the question is not whether another massacre will occur, but when.”
Private, unlicensed sellers are not required to run federal background checks, but it is a violation of federal law to sell guns to people who may be felons or mentally ill.
In two instances, the New York undercover officers specifically said before buying a gun, “I probably couldn’t pass a background check,” but were still sold guns, city officials said.
In a third case, an investigator bought a Glock pistol and two high-capacity magazines like the ones used in the Tucson shooting. Such purchases were made without any background check but were perfectly legal. …
Crossroads of the West holds dozens of gun shows annually, in Arizona, California, Nevada and Utah. “When we find someone who isn’t complying with the law, we ask them to leave or don’t allow them back,” said Bob Templeton, president of the gun show.
After similar transgressions were uncovered at gun shows in other states, some operators entered into agreements with New York City requiring that private sellers arrange background checks of all gun buyers.
But is it Bloomberg’s responsibility to try and enforce federal laws when his jurisdiction is technically limited to the city of New York?
You’ll recall that when the state of Arizona tried to help enforce federal immigration laws, the Obama Justice Department launched a lawsuit to block their efforts.
On the one hand, Bloomberg notes that his administration is working to raise awareness of how easily people can purchase firearms at a gun show. But on the other, Arizona lawmakers were similarly calling on the federal government to crack down on illegal immigration in their own state.
Why is one effort seemingly okay while the other is being hauled off to court?
UPDATE:
Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio weighed in Monday evening via Twitter:
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Comments (297)
Mr. John Sauls
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:32pmNew York City: No bailouts for you!
Report Post »freestaterev
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:31pmMolon Labe!
Report Post »WAR PIGS CRAWLING
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:30pmSi vis pacem, para bellum
Report Post »dusko
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:29pmHow about the guy from NIU? Would anything have stopped him? He had a regular clip that nobody is saying is illegal anywhere. He walked into the class room fired the gun until it was empty, pulled another handgun and emptied that one the he had a shotgun. The point is that it is never going to be enough to pass all kinds of laws, if one single person has it in his head to do harm he will prepare and do it.
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 5:57pmRight – look at all those nutjobs in China that massacre classrooms of small children – with a KNIFE.
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:28pmI wonder if bloomburgs body guards carry guns. They can protect him but we can’t protect ourselves. Stay in NY you schmuk.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:18amHe doesn’t want anyone to have a gun when HE helps build the Ground Zero mosque. Bloomie needs to pack up and move to Egypt and join the Muslim Brotherhood.
Report Post »250superduty
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:27pmFirst rule in gun safety: NEVER POINT A WEAPON loaded or not at another person! The idiot in the video not only pointed the weapon at the camera man but also pulled the trigger! Now thats a guy that should NOT be handling any gun…Damn fools.
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:02pmDo not think it was a trained law enforcement officer. Just some Bloomberg flunky.
Report Post »Grady Curve
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 4:49pmHey Bloomberg SUCK MY BARRELL….9mm or AK take your pick but your not getting my gun so try and take it…. come on I dare ya….
Report Post »Eblaze44
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:27pmCheck out Sheriff Richard Mack on youtube – eye opening -
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:26pmGuns shows need to be closed until the loophole is closed. Clearly they can not police themselves.
Report Post »Chainsoftyranny
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:38pmClearly it is the police that can not control crime. If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one. Don’t blame crime on guns, unless you blame spelling mistakes on pencils.
Report Post »the_ancient
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:47pmthere is no “loop hole”. a Private Person should not be required to run background checks on a person to transfer ownership of private property…
What is next, will I have to run a driving record search to sell my used car?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:56pmIt is the loophole, that allow these business men to lie and calling themselves “private dealers” to avoid the expense of making sure criminals don’t buy the guns.
The police shot and kill since the begining of this year have been killed with guns bought legally in the lax states and smuggled into states that wish to protect their citizens.
Report Post »roast
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:43pmPolice shoot and killed are Obamas falt.Tax and spend till we are broke and people go to extremes to survive.If NY did not invite illegals to NY the guns would not make it to his streets.If AZ where allow to ID illegals they would not sell to them.He should stay in NY.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:08pmAnd close down the farcical “medical marijuana” bars too, until the illegal stuff gets cleaned up. Right?
Report Post »rando375
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:32pmLoophole? Illegal guns? No such thing- once again liberal dishonesty creating a catch phrases. Please describe to us, the millions of law abiding gun owners what this “loophole” is?
Report Post »The current laws are not even being enforced and are quite effective for those the abide by the law.
As for the Tucson nut, HE LIED on his Form 4473. Period. The man clearly had a mental health history the law enforcement IS NOT ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO for background checks. You can thank the HEPA laws for that.
Next, the Lib’s will be saying that its our fault that Mexico has drug/gun problems…..OH WAIT, they already tried that one!
UpInTheWoods
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:17am@Encinom
Report Post »If lax gun laws in states like Az cause the high crime in NY, wouldn’t it also CAUSE high crime in Az???
Endstatism
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 1:37amEncinom I think you should find another nation to take up residence in, preferably a place like North Korea or Cuba. Then you dont have to worry about any gangbangers, criminals or lawful citizens with guns. Just your friendly government will be the only ones armed and you will be safe. Two thing you can never get a gun banner to admit, one that they hate lawful gun owners and that they want to totally outlaw private gun ownership.
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 5:55pmMaybe you’d better go back and re-read your sources. I think you’ll find many of the illegal guns in NYC were a) stolen b) purchased out of state by friends/relatives with no criminal record c) purchased by persons never reported to national databases as ineligible for gun ownership (Cho).
The fact remains that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens is not the issue. Criminals commit crimes using whatever tools come their way and without regard to the law. To blame the tool for the acts of its user is the height of absurdity.
Report Post »Passive Avenger
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:24pmI Bet you could never get your hands on a Glock in the streets NYC! LOL!! Way to stick your nose where it don’t belong Mayor Bloomberg!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:29pmThe glock you get on the Street in NYC comes from the gun show loophole. The lax gun laws in states like Az are why there is blood in streets of NYC.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:44pmWow
laxed laws in AZ are the reason there is bloodshed in NYC
do you want to rethink that skippy
or should I just go ahead and make you look like an idiot right now
Report Post »encinom
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:52pm@DashRipRock
It is documented, the majority of illegal guns on the streets on NYChave been traced to states with lax gun laws. The States like Az. have become the wlamart in the gun trade and the weapons have find their way into the hands of NYC criminals. So yes, States like AZ. Va. Fl., etc. states that have no care fo rthe safety of others, states where men need a piece of steel to prove their manhood are the cause of the blood on the streets of NYC.
Are you going to recite the talking points of NRA or Pratt, both in the corporate pockets of their masters.
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:59pmso you can track the guns
but you cant track the criminals????
HOW ABOUT STOP LETTING BAD PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL
TRY THAT A-HOLE
AND STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR FAILED COURT SYSTEM
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:10pmENCINOM
” The lax gun laws in states like Az are why there is blood in streets of NYC.”
Funny, I thought it was because of the lunatic criminal thugs walking the streets of NYC.
Report Post »FLCRACKER
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:35amENCINOM Cocaine and heroin are completely illegal in the US. Does that stop them from being sold on the streets in NYC? Do you really think criminals won’t have access to guns if AZ, FL stop selling guns?
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:23pmSo Bloomberg thinks that it is fine for him to send people to Arizona to conduct investigations. So if Arizona sent police to NY city to see if they are enforcing emigration laws how would he react? Somehow I think that he might be upset. I certainly hope that his police that he sends to Arizona are carrying firearms. They don’t want to get arrested.
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:46pmI will make a donation to Az if they would show how big a sanctuary city NYC is.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:22pmDidn’t he do this last year in Virginia?
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:42pmVa AG told him if he and his thugs came back they would be arrested and charged. They have no jurisdiction in Va and definately no police powers.
Report Post »kissmyazobama
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:22pmkiss my az bloomberg
Report Post »jjufon
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:22pmprivate sellers are NOT required to do a BGC to sell their property.
nothing to see here.
Report Post »Belle
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:21pmBow down for Emperor Bloomberg of NYC.
Report Post »streetrodder
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:08pmThats Barry’s job.
Report Post »DeVain
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:20pmNew York cops have no jurisdiction in Arizona, the cases should be thrown out.
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:24pmIt wasn’t a police “bust” or anything… It was to raise awareness about the issue.
Report Post »rwsasinger
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:49pmAwareness about the issue huh???? I have heard about gun control forever; since the assassination of JKF, and the number of AZ-like incidents has not increased statistically. Random acts produce random data…duhhhhhh. The availability of guns for purchase has not dramatically decreased yet if you check the statistics, the statistical data for hand gun deaths has not changed and is primarily minority on minority and drug related crime. Frankly, gun control is the least of our worries and the time spent worrying about another isolated incident is a waste of anyone’s brainpower. What about the illegal drug trade; specifically the hardcore drugs in NY? What about the illegal sex trade affecting thousands of young women in this country? What about actually doing something about illegal immigration. Hey, I know, why don’t these so called public servants do something valuable and disband unions in the governmental sector and even raise awareness about the need for actual job creation? Awareness??? We don’t need to expand the heightened awareness in this country. We need to fix the issues at hand and not make another non-issue part of the liberal agenda.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:35pmActually the New York Cops committed a Fedral Felony by buying a handgun in any State other than the one they reside in. Also, it is a Federal Felony to transfer ANY Firearm accross ANY State Line unless that transfer is done between two Federal Firearms Licenced Dealers. If the NYC Cops showed the seller an I.D. that was from out of State, then the seller also commited a Federal Felony. I’d just bet the ranch that the NYC Cops used phony I.D. showing them to be residents of Arizona.
Report Post »TheGreyPiper
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:05pmOh yeah, and would be just as happy about it if they were scoping out drug dealers, instead?
Report Post »REVENANT
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:20pmBloomberg wants to take away a perfectly legal right. He wants a permanent government trace of every single gun and gun owner. Registration leds straight to confiscation. Just ask the Russians, and the victims of Katrina in New Orleans. Many pais a terrible price for the government knowing what it has no business knowing.
Report Post »psycodad36
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:57pmmuch truth
Report Post »psycodad36
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:42pmI think that maybe what we need is POLITICIAN control .they should always be monitored for unlawfull behavior against they’re constituents.Yes we need more laws to protect us from the dumbass ideas they try to impose upon us
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 1:55amI agree in the principal of your arguement, but that would require so many complicant Americans in this order to confiscate, and they all know there are so many more willing to die before their guns….and therefore “rights” are taken from them. If the government wanted to take our guns, or even the UN, there would be so many casualties that the “seige” would end very quickly, and America would win.
I for one am not worried.
Semper Fi.
Report Post »mara123
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:20pmMaybe the Mayor should save those resources for his city instead, from what i understand NY could use all the money they can cheat the tax payer out of.
Report Post »kissmyazobama
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:20pmThe law is the law………….get over it.
Report Post »psycodad36
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:50pmwell maybe you should inform Dupnick of laws he didn’t uphold prior to loughner killing innocents.pompous azz
Report Post »CowboyExpat
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:19pmThis guy Bloomberg wants to be your president….
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:25pm@ COWBOYEXPAT ~~~ My husband has a saying that he used when rearing our children, “You can spit in one hand and want or wish in the other and see which one fills up first.“ Always stopped the ”I wants”….. maybe the islamic-loving-sell-AMERICA-out- for-less-than-30 pieces-of-silver current mayor of NY should have been reared at our house! Just sayin….
Report Post »REB182
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:19pmThe NY mayor should mind his own business. How much did that cost the great people of NY.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:24pm“The NY mayor should mind his own business. ”
THANK you!!!
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:39pmProbably not a dime. I would say Obama and his rads found a way to backdoor funding. Pun intended.
Report Post »psycodad36
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:56pmwhen Rudy Guilianie?was mayor,crime dropped and he didn’t run around pointing fingers at other states to see if they were complient with his desires.bloomturd is a progressive.should man up and do the people of his city right ,then go create green jobs and solve world hunger when he’s done,on his own dime
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:18pm“The background check system failed in Arizona, it failed in Virginia and it fails in states around the country,”
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Did Bloominidiot check any Dem state or was he concentrating on Repub states only ?
Report Post »oldoldtimer
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:37pmVa has said if he conducts another of his illegal stings in Va he will be arrested and prosecuted. He and his Gestapo have absolutely no police powers to conduct these raids and raids they are.
Report Post »peezee
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:16pmIf they take our guns, all hope is truly lost. This simply can not be allowed to happen. Lay up the tools of your defence now. Have an plan and do not be afraid! You are NOT alone.
Report Post »snidley-whiplash
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:01pmPEEZEE I,m with you ,“From my cold dead hand”.
Report Post »matt708
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:15pmMayor why aren’t you doing the sam ein NY, your fn Hyprocrite
Report Post »2AM
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:56pmSeriously! I mean, maybe we should go up to a crack house in New York and buy a gun and then post a website showing how easy it is to buy a gun in NYC?
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:48pmBetter yet, just go to times square and buy a prostitute or drugs, oh, that‘s something Bloomy doesn’t want to clean up, I guess he just personnely have a use for guns, the other stuff I guess doesn’t hurt anyone (right).
Report Post »DashRipRock
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:14pmI have an idea
lets give a guns to all the illegals as they cross the border
that way the NYPD can come down and bust them.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:25pm@DASHRIPROCK ~~~ let’s do it!
Report Post »RN MOM
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:41pmLOL. Be careful what you offer! This guy has the cahoones to do it… Shining moment for NYC, again Bloomberg proves just how out of touch he really is. The only reason he is mayor is because he suspended term limits for his own tenure. He is a typical “limousine liberal”. I wish Arizona luck.
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:14pmWhat a ridiculously biased article… I wonder if the author thinks that guns should be able to be sold without background checks. Way to try to turn this into an illegal immigration story though.
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:37pmOh I’m sorry is what is good for the goose not good for the gander. While this article may be biased, it calls a spade a spade and unfortunately for people the likes of which you seemingly collude with can not stand when you are shown for the hypocrite that you are. This biased article just shows the bias of the Great Dividers administration and the media that runs along as his shills awaiting the scraps handed to them from the liberal elites. Try again.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:53pmhifi74
Good call. Bloomburger, stay in your happy progressive land and keep your moronic ideas there.
Report Post »DisillusionedDaily
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:56pmIf you cannot enforce the law in your own state, it is a good idea, politically, to shift the blame elsewhere. Bloomberg is a progressive nut that should not be allowed to hold any public office!
Report Post »Timmtamm
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:57pmBiased? Yes I would have to agree. An opinion was definitely implied in this article.
Calling a spade a spade? Yes I agree even more. I completely agree with the premise of the author.
Bloomberg, mind your own business and let the people duely elected for the purpose of making national laws deal with the national laws (and heaven help us that they make laws that do not infringe upon our freedoms.)
Report Post »UpInTheWoods
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:06amActually, you can’t equate what NY did with what Az did.
Report Post »Arizona was “punished” for making a law, which mimics the Federal law, to try to control the flow of illegals into THEIR state.
NY tried to enforce THEIR laws in someone else’s state.
Patriot Z
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:49amNIck-whats rediculous is the fact that bloomberg. the mayor of a city that has some of the strictest gun control legeslation, nearly bankrupt and one of the top violent cities in the country. is trying to tell others how to run their states. when will you understand that criminals DO NOT GGET BACKGROUND CHECKS. they do not obey the law. and the more gun control you have the more in danger the citizen is. blooberg needs to mind his own business. and we need to narc on any of his goons. blow his whole operation out of the water. no to gun control no to dictatorships, no no NO
Report Post »Nick84
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 1:51amPatriot Z-Criminals do not get background checks because they buy guns privately (such as from gun shows). Do all of you really think that people should be able to purchase firearms without a background check, or are you just taking what you consider to be the conservative stance on this? Also, if you want to call out hypocracy, I find it funny that many of the people on this site were complaining about the “liberal” sheriff in Arizona and calling for him to be fired for giving his personal opinions, but this article features tweets by the sheriff you support. Everyone on here seems to be just fine with him spewing his opinions everywhere.
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 6:38amNick two things, First your straw-man argument alluding that we just want criminals to attain weapons without backgrounds check, no one said that and I think I can speak for the others in saying that they don’t want that either so the sooner you get that the sooner we can move on to a legitimate discussion instead of the tired liberal talking points you are espousing here. Most criminals receive their weapons through theft and black markets not gun and trade shows so you can get off that bandwagon right now too. Second, the Pima county sheriff Dupnik was baselessly injecting politics and conjecture into a homicide investigation, attempting to be judge jury and executioner, which is not only unprofessional but for someone in his position can be grounds for removal from position. What sheriff Arpiao did was question the motives and question the legality of a mayor and peace officers under his jurisdiction (Bloombergs) working outside of their jurisdiction (Sheriff Arpiaos) unlawfully mind-you. See by working undercover, outside of their jurisdiction, and especially without notifying local LEO’s they are subject to prosecution under the local laws. But why would we split hairs about something silly like that, I mean this administration has done about everything it can to obfuscate the laws dictated to them by the constitution, but god forbid someone else try to uphold those laws.
Look you want to have an honest discussion by all means lets but your half cocked attempt at logical discourse is not only making you look like a fool but is way off in left field somewhere. Try again without the tired liberal talking points and you might actually come across as someone worth spending a few minutes of logical discourse with.
Report Post »taxed
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:13pmI guess NY has tons of money to blow on stuff like this?
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com
Report Post »rwsasinger
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:31pmPerhaps too much money and definitely too many liberals!!! Bloomberg seems to want only the organized and disorganized crime element that has thrived in “his” city for nearly two centuries. Once all the guns are gone who will protect us from the police, criminals, and the government in general??? History has an unusual tendency to repeat itself and the threat of what we see in Egypt and in Europe is nearing our doorstep. You will have to pry my guns and the right to bear arms out of my cold dead kung fu gripped hands. Bloomberg; mind your own business and leave the governing to the people.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:31pm“….to make sure you’re not from California, obviously.” I don’t understand that reference. Can someone explain?
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:34pmThe law didn’t FAIL. It was enforced AS WRITTEN. The feds that wrote it failed.
Bloomberg needs to do ALL his job, before taking on other’s jobs just like the Fed Govt. needs to do its 16 constitutionally manadated jobs before they do the states’ job (health insurance).
Just another short guy with a “Napoleanic complex”.
Report Post »teaisstronger
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:36pmBLOOMBERG IS A LIER
Most people with BATF Federal Firearms Licences holders are police officers, you need to be a cop to get approved. The string was fake and a fraud just so the anti-gun Blood Libelers have something to report on. The anti-gun Blood Libeler Democrats like Bloomberg will do anything it takes to get another anti-gun law passed. Bloomberg does not need guns for protection he can afford to hire armed securiety for protection.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:38pmLet’s get this straight, the tail is wagging the dog in NYC but Bloomberg is arrogant enought to stick his nose in the affairs of the other 49 states. Sir, I think you have enough to worry about in your own city, you are no Rudy Giuliani, and your unions are the ones running your city.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:42pm@ NZ probably (I don’t know this for sure) Cali has some kind of law preventing state citizens from buying guns in another state, or the high-cap mags are illegal there.
Report Post »I think it is a good idea to run background checks to make sure violent fellons don’t get them….legally get them, anyway. Still a huge black market out there…. but that is up to the individual states to enforce. What makes a MAYOR think he has the right to violate Arizona’s 10th amendment protection is beyond me. This whole story is bizzare, and I can’t wait to see the follow-up on it.
Happy Killmore
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:48pm@NZKIWI
Report Post »California has some of the strictest gun laws in the US (yet the worst gun crime levels) and MANY types of firearms are forbidden such as semi-autos that hold more than 10 rounds. Most dealers will not deal with California or Californians.
KenInIL
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:50pm33 rounds – one for each abortion every day in NYC. A regular magazine wouldn’t handle it. If Bloomberg wants to save lives, he need look no further than his own back yard.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:50pm@My Sacred Honor, thanks for that. Did you get my email?
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:50pm@nzkiwi,
Because in the FREE state of Arizona, people from California are pretty much considered being from a foreign country. They have severe gun restrictions, etc. Much like New Yorkers!
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:51pmThere is this thingy called the constitution and it kind of means that New York has the jurisdiction within its state and Arizona has jurisdiction in its own state. For New York to go to Arizona, is out of bounds. If anything this would be the ATF or FBI, you know, an Acrynom. I would bet New York and the rest of the Lib states would love to come out west and start legislating, but just remember, we have a “Make my day” law, it gives us the “RIGHT” to protect our property, with deadly force. So, Y’all back east, if you’re feeling squirrely, come across the Mississippi.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:52pmIt is NOT ILLEGAL TO SELL GUNS TO EACH OTHER WITHOUT A BACK GROUND CHECK
Report Post »which the scum AZ shooter did and passed with flying colors.
Defend the few rights you have left and tell them SCUM enough !@
nzkiwi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 7:56pm@Happy Killmore
Report Post »Thanks for the explanation. There are no handguns allowed in NZ. Except for the cops and the criminals, of course. Gun control doesn’t really seem to work all that well does it.
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Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:03pmThis is actually 2 headlines. Only the first is relevant to NYC:
“NYC Mayor Cracks Down”
Good junk, dude.
“I get no kick from champagne.
Report Post »Mere alcohol doesn’t thrill me at all.
So tell me why should it be true …
That I get a belt out of you?” -rail-worker Bart [sings], Blazing Saddles
nzkiwi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:04pm@Cemoto78
Report Post »lol, thanks.
fertlmind
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:08pmMaybe he should come down here PERSONALLY and try to take someones guns!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:25pmNZKIWI yeah, I just went and read it. “Is West Georgia a place or a university?”
Report Post »Lol, both. I was refering to the region I grew up in, all rolling hills, pulpwood land (pine trees grown for paper pulp) and cow pastures. It’s very beautiful there, especially in late September/early August (football weather, here in the south…um “there” in the south. I now live in the desolate frozen waistland of eastern Indiana) when it is mid 70′s and everything smells fresh and clean. I’ll reply back on email…
My Sacred Honor
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:27pmAlso, I am truely shocked that Bloomberg didn’t cite something redicolous like “insert certain percentage here” of illegal guns in his lil town come from other states or something. I was READY to argue THAT point!
Report Post »No1YaKnow
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:38pmAnd criminals will STILL get them despite all of this. Bloomberg needs to deal with his own backyard and quit sticking the taxpayers with rah-rah-ing for a mosque with their money and national investigations he has no business doing.
Report Post »Monkey Business
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:46pmGee wizz that’s some serious investigative work they did there. I feel safer already. Not. Notice they tried to give the video the nightly news investigation feel, to try and make it look like those people were breaking the law or doing something dangerous. The bottom line is, anyone determined enough to get a gun will get one, criminal or not, background check system or not, and wasting time and energy debating this is just that: a waste. The number of rounds in the mag really is a mute point, but I guess they just want an angle to exaggerate from which to attack legal, law abiding gun owners.
I am so happy people are waking up and seeing through this garbage… Maybe there is hope for our country yet. But we must never give up, God knows they wont.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 8:59pmI know that New York City is a country unto itself. If this person wants to send some of his clowns to Ohio I am also certain that we would be most pleased to teach the constitution to them. I know we would probably have to read it to them since it is over their skill level.
Report Post »It seems the lib’s just get crazier each day.
We even have some fine institutions they could check into.
bulletsinthegun
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:15pmCan’t clean snow from the streets, some people died because of the lack of snow removal but can send agents elsewhere to check on gun sales. Give these agents a snow shovel and let them earn their keep.. You and your city are what is wrong with this country,
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:18pmNY should just close the border … of their city … really leave the rest of us the H alone .. when you clean up all the cr*’p in your city … then you can talk .. but going outside your jurisdiction is NOT acceptable.
Report Post »mill
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:49pmMaybe he would be someone we could listen to if the gun/gang/illegal problems in his city were under control…he’s a joke. I sure hope he used his own money.
Support Arizona.
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:51pmJust what you would expect from a progressive like Mayor Bloomberg. As he is telling the people of New York City that budgets cuts are needed and some 1500 teachers will need to be let go he is wasting the cities money to make a political grand stand to push his Progressive agenda the would take away constructional right of every American.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:54pmSince the good mayor is investigating maybe he should investigate the collapse
Report Post »of WTC 7 since it happened in his own city not way off in AZ
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Building7Collapse.shtml
Bloomburg is NWO Scum just like Drip Rot.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 9:55pmJust remember Bloomy, Guns don’t kill people, fingers pulling the triggers do, so outlaw fingers, here let me give you one right now.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:05pm@NZKIWI-
Because California, as we have just recently found out, has MUCH stricter rules when it comes to gun sales and registration. What is so funny about this to me is, I really wanted to attend this gun show. My family lives in Az. and we are suppose to be moving there this summer. Anyway- I really want to start buying more guns and ammo but we just moved to California this past October. When we found out that you have to register every single gun here we decided we would not buy here in Ca. but elsewhere. Hence- I really wanted to go to the gun show in Az. We are only in Ca. for a few months so we are not transferring our driver’s licenses- thus, we could have bought guns.
Not that I have to explain myself, but it’s not that we WANT to do something illegal by purchasing weapons and not registering them- it’s just we no longer trust our government. When I found out that during Martial Law the government can come in and confiscate citizen’s arms, that really blew me away. Well, I do not trust the government to protect us and find it a real possibility that they might even try to create an environment where they COULD enforce Martial Law if for no other reason but to disarm citizens. AND THEN WHAT? How would we fight back? We resort to rocks and bricks like the people of Europe and the Middle East?- No thank you. Anyway- that is why WE WON”T BUY GUNS IN CALIFORNIA! And why other states have to make sure that you are not from California.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:38pmBloomberg ALWAYS has an ulterior motive…he is no patriot to this great nation!
I will be very sad to learn that these “private gun vendors” were so careless, especially given the Tucson massacre…I do know that private gun sales are not held to the same level of buyer scrutiny as are retail stores…I don’t believe that they have to run a background check…but, of course, you’d hope they use common sense and size buyers up instead of just selling for the profit…
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:41pmI’m not a lawyer, but I would think Bloomberg’s minions are violating the law by attempting to purchase a firearm under false pretenses. They are not in their own jurisdiction, so may also be guilty of operating under false color of authority since they cannot function as protected law enforcement outside of their legal jurisdiction.
The whole goal here is to eventually outlaw private gun owners from selling firearms to other private gun owners as a step on the path to outlawing private gun ownership altogether. If/when they come for mine, I’ll give them the ammunition first. They may need to wait for the lead, brass, and barrels to cool first, however.
Report Post »click4cheapandeasyweb
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:56pmSheriff Joe should send a couple of investigators to NYC to see if there are any real men left in Manhattan, or have they all turned into limp-wristed lefty wussies!
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 11:05pm@BlueStrat
“function as protected law enforcement outside of their legal jurisdiction.”
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Do you honestly think that “they” believe the laws apply to them? ha ha ha
and
“I’ll give them the ammunition first. They may need to wait for the lead, brass, and barrels to cool first, however.”
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I like your attitude!
My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:05am@BlueStrat
Posted on January 31, 2011 at 10:41pm
I’m not a lawyer, but I would think Bloomberg’s minions are violating the law by attempting to purchase a firearm under false pretenses. They are not in their own jurisdiction, so may also be guilty of operating under false color of authority since they cannot function as protected law enforcement outside of their legal jurisdiction.
The whole goal here is to eventually outlaw private gun owners from selling firearms to other private gun owners as a step on the path to outlawing private gun ownership altogether. If/when they come for mine, I’ll give them the ammunition first. They may need to wait for the lead, brass, and barrels to cool first, however.
AMEN, Brother! I’ll relinquish my ammo one at a time, and you can get whatever coriner that is able and willing to confiscate it from my target’s body!
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:08am@ AZDEBI….I WAS in love with KATE, but I changed my mind. Will YOU marry me?
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:22am@AZDebi
“Do you honestly think that “they” believe the laws apply to them? ha ha ha”
Oh no, I’m not under any illusions as to the depth of their arrogance. They *are* Progressives, after all. I‘m just hoping Sheriff Joe has Bloomberg’s minions wearing pink jumpsuits, pink underwear, and living in tents in the desert the next time they try something like that in AZ.
““I’ll give them the ammunition first. They may need to wait for the lead, brass, and barrels to cool first, however.”
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I like your attitude!”
Thanks! :)
Comes from having been raised by a father that trained US Army Ranger paratroopers at bases in England that were to be dropped behind enemy lines in WW2 Normandy prior to D-Day to sabotage rail lines, artillery, etc. He was an expert in specialized hand-to-hand and special weapons & techniques used in infiltration & sabotage scenarios.
Trust me when I say I was NOT one of those teenagers so foolish as to try taking a swing on the “Old Man”, even when he was in his 60s! Prior to that, he was in North Africa and was wounded in a German ambush with mortars, artillery, and MGs as he traveled in a convoy through the Kasserine Pass.
He was awarded several medals as he was instrumental in taking command and saving the lives of his entire platoon as the Lieutenant in command was killed almost immediately. It was after he recovered at a hospital in England and underwent further training that he then instructed Rangers prior to D-Day.
After what he went through to safeguard my freedom, I couldn’t even imagine allowing anyone or anything to take that freedom away even if that means my life.
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:36am@BlueStrat
Report Post »I cannot even imagine having a father that did so much as yours did in WWII. How very lucky you are! My Father was in Vietnam and “earned” medals for bravery saving the life of one of his Brothers there and I’d imagine your father would say the same as he does. That he only did it because he had the will and ability to do so. Honor and bravery comes in many forms, and as a former Marine, I know that there is no such thing as “personal gain” when these decisions must be examined right there in the heat of the moment.
Bottom line. Semper Fi to your Father and I am proud to know someone like you who had such an epic teacher of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and what it truly means to be an American, that the umbrella of liberty we live under was earned, fought for and won through the individual efforts of true Men like your Father!
Semper Fi to him, and all of God’s love to you and your family.
Atten-TION! HAND SALUTE!
KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 1:19amYeah, because nobody can buy an illegal gun in New York! Hypocrites!
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 2:16am@BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET
Report Post »California seems to be a pretty odd sort of place. In addition to the contrary gun laws that you have explained, they also seem to be permanently broke.
BlueknightUSA
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 4:34amBloomers is outta control. He has people who die in his city cuz he can’r get the streets cleared and he spends their tax dollars on this?
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 4:46amJust another progressive billionaire that knows what is best for us serfs! I do not have a beef with rich people until they decide how me and mine should live our lives. I’m talking to you Soros,Gates, Buffet,Bloomburg and Oprah. You mind yours and I’ll mind mine.
Report Post »Gerrymanderer
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:08amThe Blaze comments page for all articles should be called: rants and angry messages. It seems people who gravitate towards this website are all pessimists bent on anger toward anything Obama. I mean anything. Case in point – Bloomberg has no interest in repealing the second amendment, he just rather get ILLEGAL guns out of the hands on would be killers and gang bangers. What’s wrong with that? How is that negative? Progressive? It‘s logical to reduce violence in America by making it harder for people who don’t deserve weapons (Loughner-types, mentally ill, ex-cons, etc.). Jeeez, people here need to chillax themselves.
Report Post »BSdetector
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 7:59amNo law will keep guns out of the hands of criminals because criminals don’t follow laws. If you pretend not to understand that, then you sir are a progressive, lib moron pushing your own sick agenda.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:19am@BlueStrat: WOW…what a legacy…see…you my friend represent the very essence of AMERICA! What a proud heritage…my father passed away a couple of years ago…before he died he was trying to decide if he wanted to be buried in the Veterans Memorial Cemetery…he wrestled with that decision and eventually decided not to be buried there…when I asked him “Why not, Dad, you served your Country and you are “entitled”…you know what he told me? He said, “I was an enlisted man, I did my two years (state side)…never saw combat…never went under enemy fire…never took a bullet for my Country…if all servicemen took advantage of this “privilege” there wouldn’t be room for the “true heroes”….I wept! My Dad was a true man of integrity and honor…You sound a lot like him! Thank your Father for his service!
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:32am@My Sacred Honor
“Bottom line. Semper Fi to your Father and I am proud to know someone like you who had such an epic teacher of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and what it truly means to be an American, that the umbrella of liberty we live under was earned, fought for and won through the individual efforts of true Men like your Father!
Semper Fi to him, and all of God’s love to you and your family.
Atten-TION! HAND SALUTE!”
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I LOVE “Bottom-Line” guys! Thank you for your service (that statement never seems adequate to me…wish there was a better one)
…sorry, and thanks for the proposal…unfortunately, I’m already taken…I’m married to a herd of horses! Just one of those Arizona cowgirls… we’re a most unusual bunch out here…but…we are always armed and ready and we can be counted on…we got your back!
Report Post »jabolen1
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:44amI wonder if he knows he committed a crime in sending his people to make illegal out of state purchases of handguns. It’s illegal to purchase handguns outside of your own state.
Report Post »What-A-Joke
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 9:47amIs he planning on running for president?
http://timnbettyp.blogspot.com/p/club-sea-breeze_03.html
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 11:43amONE LAST THING before I move on…Funny isn’t it that “Bloomturd” waits a month to pull this stunt…if he wanted to “hide” the effort, he’d have thrown his actions into the chaos that was going on while this was a “really hot” story…he could have been truly stealth about it…NO…HE WAITED…HE WAITED in order to gain national attention…this is a blatant STUNT…and…who knows his “true” intent…but you can bet that it’s all ABOUT HIM!
He has about as much sympathy for the victims of the Tucson massacre as he does for the victims of 9/11…9/11 VICTIMS living in his own TOWN!
Report Post »PlowMan
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 12:52pmI fail to understand the thinking here. Most criminals get their guns illegally. That’s the reason they are called criminals! Bloomberg needs to get a handle on his criminals not law abiding citizens. Unreal!! All I know is, people in large cities need to wake up before they (and by default the rest of us) are in bondage again.
Report Post »Proud American in Buffalo
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 4:49pmThe answer in one word is no. There’s no Money to “Spend in NY City and most certiantly none in NY State.
Hell Andrew Cuomo is proposing the first Budget cuts since the ‘90’s.
Report Post »Think about that ANDREW CUOMO a liberal Democrat Cutting Spending.
DisillusionedDaily
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 8:23pmWhy shouldn’t he try to crack down on guns in AZ and at gun shows. He cannot seem to crack down on them at home!
Report Post »101
Posted on February 1, 2011 at 10:17pmWhat in the hell is the New York City “Mayor” Bloomberg doing running undercover police ops in Arizona? This really ticks me off that a mayor of New York is allowed to overstep his bounds without legal action taken against Bloomberg’s politically motivated illegal antics!
AZ state representatives Senators John McCain/ Senator Jon Kyl/Governor Jan Brewer/ Sheriff Joe & MCAO Montgomery need to step-up to the podium and demanding a full investigation of Bloomberg unlawful attack on the citizens and the state of Arizona!
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on February 2, 2011 at 1:23am@Gerrymanderer,
You completely missed the entire point of discussion in order to give your soap box opinion. The issue at hand is why in the name of all that is holy, is a mayor in New York using his resources to investigate what goes on in a state thousands of miles away? Not only is he completely overstepping his boundaries, but he is also violating a whole bunch of laws that regulate what an agency has the power to do. In essence, it is like being pulled over by an ice cream man who gives you a ticket for speeding. It doesn’t matter what your intentions are, when you are in power you cannot misuse resources for this kind of garbage.
Report Post »ricklap
Posted on February 3, 2011 at 2:22amThe guys an ass. Only reason he‘s anti gun is he knows how many people he’s pissed off.
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