Oakland’s Police Chief Takes Responsibility for Clash With Protesters But Defends Officers Use of Force
- Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:30am by
Christopher Santarelli
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Oakland’s police chief says officers used what they believed to be the least amount of force possible to protect themselves during a clash with anti-Wall Street protesters.
Oakland police Interim Chief Howard Jordan said in a statement Friday that he takes full responsibility for the actions of his officers, and ensured that allegations of misconduct and excessive use of force during Tuesday’s confrontation are being thoroughly investigated.
Iraq War veteran Scott Olsen suffered a fractured skull Tuesday night during the clash. He is in fair condition Friday morning at Highland Hospital in Oakland. Protesters claimed police shot rubber bullets and bean bags at the crowd Tuesday, and photos of Olsen taken when he was first injured appear to show flashbangs may have been used. Olsen‘s injuries have been used as a rallying cry for ’Occupy’ protesters across the country.
Jordan says he and city staff have reached out to Occupy Wall Street demonstrators, as many have re-established their camp outside Oakland’s City Hall on Friday. Oakland Mayor Jean Quan has already unsuccessfully tried to apologize to protesters for police raids last Tuesday, first by online video and then in person Thursday night where SF Gate reports that the Mayor was booed off stage.
Jordan made a visit to Olsen in the hospital on Friday. “I expressed my sorrow for what happened to their son,” Jordan said at a City Hall news conference. “They were very receptive. … I also expressed to them the process that’s involved in terms of this incident, in terms of a full review and internal investigation.”
The San Jose Mercury News reported Friday that Michael Moore addressed about 1,000 anti-Wall Street protesters in front of Oakland’s City Hall, saying the Occupy movement has changed the national discussion. The Mercury News also notes that Oakland protesters announced a general strike on Nov. 2 where they will be urging banks and corporations to close for the day.
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Comments (68)
beboc1
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:26pmIt’s eerie how close all of these troubles come to what GB told his followers way back when. Of late I‘ve noticed that O’Reilley is taking a more serious tone on the state of the country whereas he disagreed with GB only a month or so ago. And what about that guy named Steven Lerner who flat out said he was going to orchestrate this kind of movement? http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-union-plan-to-destroy-jpmorgan It’s high time we non-commies listen to what these vile people are saying and TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORDS! We shoved thses traitorous rats back into their holes back in the 60‘s but they’re still with us and so are their brainwashed children. We have to link arms and hold them back once again.
Report Post »Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:37pmHijack the movement! Plant flyers among the mob with talking points about evil capitalist and give directions to their homes. ie Michael Moore, Susan Surandon, Julia Roberts, Nancy Pelosi, GE CEO that sent took tax money to creat jobs overseas. The list is endless!
Report Post »hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:43pmIf there had been no college loans, this may never have happened.
Report Post »Cape_Lookout_RW_Extremist
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:44pmDon’t forget Oprah!
Report Post »Anne G
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 3:42amCould not agree more. I‘ve been screaming at O’Reilly for months now. I figured he’d stopped looking out for the folks. Well, I’ve noticed of late that he is coming around. It was just a week or so ago when he had Glenn on his show, let Glenn say his peace (without much interruption I might add) and then at the end only said “we’ll see”. But, as of yesterday, Bill has finally awoken! Hooray. If he keeps this stuff in front of the public, many many more listeners will begin to see the true agenda of this administration, the open society folks, and the muslim brotherhood. Take care.
Report Post »ObserverOnTheHill
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:10pmIf he dies- this is murder – caught on video -unprovoked police attack- tactics US marines NOT EVEN ALLOWED IN A WAR ZONE
http://dailybail.com/home/occupy-oakland-scott-olsen-was-shot-in-the-head-intentionall.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDailyBail+%28The+Daily+Bail%29
Report Post »beboc1
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:33pmObserver – you’re pathetic. “peaceful” demonstrations? “unprovoked” ?
Report Post »hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:36pmThe occupiers are urging one another to refrain from civil disobedience but the violent ones refuse their advice. They’ve already admitted to throwing rocks and bottles at police. They’re also planning to occupy D.C. and employ premeditated civil disobedience with no regard for collateral damage. They’re not peaceful nor innocent.
Report Post »Buzzboy317
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:06pmThe police were being assualted by “SOME” people throwing softball sized pieces of concrete, tin cans full of nails and bolts, plastic bags full of paint…what the hell are they supposed to do…walk away? No. That’s not their job. It is an unfortunate incident but “attempted murder?”…give me a break.
Report Post »hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:18pmTwo precious words: SELF DEFENSE.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:50pmI suspect his getting hit in the head with a tear gas canister was the result of an officer with bad aim. He should be given a few days off with no pay, demoted and retrained immediately.
As for the idiot cop who purposely threw a flash bang into a crowd of people who were attempting to assist an injured person, he should be arrested, charged with assault and punished like anyone else who attacks an injured, defenseless person.
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 4:45pmHey dipwad, maybe you should come down off of that hill and get a better look. Those ‘peaceful protesters’ were assaulting the police well before the sun went down and they took it much longer than any sane person should have. your link only tells a snapshot of the entire incident. It would serve you and your pitiful buddies to actually review the entire event, not just what you want to see. BTW-real great comments on your link. It really does show what you disgusting a@@es are made of.
Report Post »pahalik
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 5:18pmWhen you go to a protest, armed with a paper sign, knowing full well that your “public servants” will come armed with ALL the latest cool cop gear, then you are setting your own self up. I don’t wanna hear no boo-hooing about it. How can you ever expect to win? The tv and print media is controlled so your grievances will only show how they want them shown. Websites are censored to slant the views reflected.
The police have no problem whatsoever kicking your door in at 3am, terrorizing your family, killing your dog, planting cocaine, planting child-porn, etc.. etc.. So, until you are willing to use those same tactics on their front door, YOU WILL LOSE! Every time. (I know, I know… it’s only a few bad apples….wanna buy a bridge?)
Remember kiddies, violence is never the answer… unless your a cop, government official, or some other “official”. Strange how that works hmmm?
Jes sayin’ is all.. don’t care if you agree or disagree.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 5:54pmPlease, in a war zone the crowds start throwing bottles, the marines start throwing lead. You have never been in a war zone so STFU. We will see a war zone here soon enough.
Report Post »45Sentinel
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 8:38pmWhen someone starts throwing bricks you can walk away or be a co-conspirator. The police reacted to potentially deadly for with “less than lethal” force. Dude got hit with a CS can like the girl in Boston who took a pepper ball shot to the head in the Red Sox riot.It was an unfortunate hit in a less than lethal tool deployment.
When you protest you protest. When you occupy you take what is not yours. When you stand with anarchists what do you expect cops to do? Don‘t play I’m not with that group, I’m me. BS these union and leftist tools are starting a revolution to tear down the system and are all co-conspirators. Now they‘re crying that can’t do felonies without getting hurt. WOW.
If cops shoot felons and an innocent gets hurt in the crossfire is it the cops fault or the felon who started the chain of events. Do some research on felony murder, case law says felon is responsible for all harm.
Report Post »gypsyd
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:57am@observeronthehill “occupiers” refused to obey legally given orders. They (the occupiers) threw rocks, bottles, and cans at the police by their own admission BEFORE police used the the bean bags and flash bangs. They brought this on themselves by their own actions. These entitlement minded “occupiers” refuse to take any responsibility for their own actions. They brought this on the second they hurled their first projectile at police and are lucky more weren’t injuried. They are not heros, they are not patriots, they are infantile whiners. This crap is exactly what the “occupiers” want, violence so they can use it as an excuse to riot.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:05pmThis is yet another example of the collateral damage occurring as local law enforcement has become increasingly federalized over the past 20 – 30 years:
Flashbang grenades used on Oakland protesters:
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNOPZLw03Q
hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:45pmInteresting video. The police gave warning to disperse, which was ignored. Scott Olsen was lying on the ground close to the police as though he was wounded before the flashbang occurred. Video claims police attacked a “wounded vet”. That means there would have been more than one wound. It really looks poorly staged.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 9:12amThe flashbangs were thrown at the people trying to HELP the wounded man. He was hit ‘point blank’ with a CS can. Cops are trained in how to use the equipment. The cop KNEW that a shot to the head at that rang can be lethal. They are suppose to fire upwards and let it drop, or down and let it roll.. not straight at someone.
Before you say anything, my husband use to train SWAT in Florida.. so I know what I’m talking about. He said the cop should be stood up with his hands at his sides, just like Olsen and the same thing done to him.. “‘But that could kill me!’ Yeah, well.. attempted murder!”
The people had moved back, only the vets were standing there, not moving, silent so there’s NO excuse for what happened.. NONE
Report Post »hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:56pmALERT: OWS group member premeditating civil disobedience in NYC, D.C. and elsewhere. See comment from “Dost”: “with major protests planned in L.A., San Fran, New York, Washington, etc. with a long range plan to occupy Washington DC with civil disobedience.” website: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-dont-believe-it-is-necessary-to-continue-occupyi/
Report Post »quiltgal
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:53pmI don’t get it. Aren‘t they blaming banks and corporations for everything that’s wrong with our society? So just what would the banks and corporations be striking against? Themselves?These occupiers are such dingbats.
Report Post »Ernesto
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:48pmYour mayor is a spineless lib. I hope her office is over run with these fleabags, and when she calls the police, they don’t come.
Report Post »Ernesto
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:48pmYour mayor is a spineless lib. I hope her office is over run with thses fleabags, and when she calls the police, they don’t come.
Report Post »2smart
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:37pmHe takes responsibility? So what! Your Mayor still has thrown your department under the bus and is kissing up to the protestors. Are you willing to take the responsibility of being a useful idiot? Are you willing to back down and let the protestors do whatever as long as they “promise” to be civil and respectful? Your a bigger fool than the one you play on TV!
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:34pmCaption for Michael Moore photo: Go ahead Dorfman, spit it out.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:22pmIs Michael Moore about to eat that microphone?
He looks hungry.
Report Post »metalurgy
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:22pmHe’s a Millionaire 1%er and he still has his hand out.
No surprise there.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 5:58pmMaybe he will catch a brick to the head…would straighten him right up
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:08pmDumb asses speech yeasterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KWGH0aSLw&feature=player_detailpage
Report Post »Popp40
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:57pmDid anyone catch the last line of the artcle
The Mercury News also notes that Oakland protesters announced a general strike on Nov. 2 where they will be urging banks and corporations to close for the day.
Okay so let me get this straight the protestors are asking those that they are protesting against to join them by closing for the day on Nov. 2……..ummmm okay……I’ll just leave it at that!
Report Post »swalt
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:43pmThanks to Dogpatch65 for this link. I think it should be a story on the Blaze in and of itself. EVERYONE needs to see this piece of crap for what he really is!
http://markamerica.com/2011/10/28/injured-former-marine-honorable/
http://www.securefutureinbadtimes.com
Report Post »ObserverOnTheHill
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:26pmStill doesn’t mean he deserves to be shot point blank in the head for simply being there
Report Post »hineni
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 3:16pm@ Observer: He was not shot point blank in the head. Something hit him when they all disobeyed the order to move. The wound will be examined to determine the probable cause. There are protesters who say cannisters, rocks and bottles were flying through the crowd. When civil disobedience turns violent, self defense exonerates the police. Like it or not, we are all innocent until proven guilty.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:24am@HINENI .. in Police terms that was point blank as they are trained that they must be fired from a certain distance. Anything closer can be fatal.
People need to understand this isn’t an us vs them situation. It doesn’t matter what what the people are protesting. They have that right, agree with them or not. Police have a sworn duty to protect the Constitution. The officer that fired the grenade, and yes that’s what it is, KNEW what he was doing. You cannot in good conscience say that he had ‘bad aim.’ There was plenty of room to deploy the canister safely and properly.
Our police have been militarized. Even the EU has proposed banning any ‘riot control’ methods coming from the US until further impact studies can be done. Stating: ‘ policing assumption of the United States to organize, militarise and market public order options for the European Union without public debate or accountability.‘ and ’This would mean that no US made or licensed 2nd. generation chemical irritant, kinetic, acoustic, laser, electromagnetic frequency, capture, entanglement,
Report Post »injector or electrical disabling and paralysing weapons, should be deployed within Europe unless legally binding guarantees are forthcoming both from the manufacturers and the government agencies deploying these weapons about their alleged safety‘ Are we truly ’free?‘ It would seem the answer is ’no.’ http://www.europarl.europa.eu/stoa/publications/studies/19991401a_en.pdf
paying-for-freedom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:36pmIts time to push these mush for brains socialists back into their holes! After all this time they have been demostrating, why aren’t they homeless just like the people they are complaining are eating their free food. Where are all these people getting the money to afford demonstrating instead of working to pay their rent and other bills. Seems to me most of them aren’t very down trodden considering the clothes they are wearing.
Report Post »Kathy H
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:31pmEvery action deserves a consequence… Is this the guy who was a marine and says he hates the marines? if so I thank him for his service, and say shame on you for talking bad about your fellow brothers and saying not so nice things about them… I believe a fractured skull could have been the cause when he hit his head on the ground from being hit by something but wouldn’t a tear gas canister make a hole in his head.
Report Post »IwentThere
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:16pmSpineless in a way. I think it was the right thing to do to go visit him, but the tone still sounds like they are pushing it on to the cops a little. I got into a fight once with a bully when I was a kid. He wasn’t all that tough and underestimated me bc I was quiet. After embarrassing him in the fight, the next week a group of kids started to bully him and I stepped in to help the same kid I just fought. Moral of the story is… we need to step and do the right thing. Putting the protectors in their place when they act up is necessary and justified. Being good human beings to them afterwards is honorable. We(the Right) need to show the world that we are Just and Good, but we will not tolerate stupidity and evil.
Report Post »IwentThere
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:19pm*protestors (auto correct is a liberal)
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:34amBravo! Finally someone that understands that just because they don’t agree with the protesters, it doesn’t mean we give a green light to the police to do things uncalled for. Next time it could be US out there! THEN what would their comments be saying? There is right and there is wrong it doesn’t matter what side is standing in the cross hairs. If we tolerate it being done to ‘them’ then we have no right to complain when it happens to ‘us.‘ This is what the ’elite’ want. Divide and conquer. The ‘us against them’ mentality. Our police are more military than public servant now. It’s got to stop or there will be no more America. The police I personally know are disgusted by this. They have no love for some of the positions the protesters are taking but they know when a fellow police officer crossed the line and THIS was crossing the line, no matter WHO was standing in the line of fire.
What is tolerated in one generation is accepted in the next.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:36amJust say the correction.. protesters not protectors… now.. if you had left it the way it was originally, you’d be right. Maybe your conscience is trying to tell you something?
Report Post »garyM
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:05pmLet me translate that into redneck for the liberals, Police said: we done it and we were justified and we’ll do it again. I agree with them!
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 1:05pmChief Howard Jordan is getting thrown under the Bus by
Report Post »Pelosi and Oakland’s Libotard Mayor..These ows morons
want to riot..and the Libos will let it HAPPED..
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:58amAnd so we are seeing it happen again; most likely the administration is pressuring the chief to pass the blame on the cops on the front line for “excessive useage of force” and ignore the clearly stated facts of the demonstrators using force to begin with; the officers were responding with minimal force as well.
And mind you, one thing that will never get covered is that a glass bottle or a rock scoring a hit on a person can break bone or kill just as easily as a rubber bullet to the head or a fall onto the cement.
Michael Moore is there to stir up even more trouble, and soon enough we will see arms being used by the demonstrators against the police; this is only beginning and the admin will crank it up with all the rhetoric and pressure they can.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:11pmThey sure as he77 won’t throw the Democratic protesting Mayor herself (Quan) under the bus. It’s usually the real authority figure who has to make the real on the spot decisions who gets shafted in the end.
Report Post »BeingThere
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:56amClean up the garbage and use whatever force is necessary, including lethal.
Report Post »Christian4ever
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:02pmSadly I think it is coming to that. I‘m glad it’s not real hot weather or I think we would be at that point now.
Report Post »MIBUGNU2
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:59pmWe’ve seen the Change, and it seem’s Hopeless….
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:10pmGreat.
That’s just what Joseph Stalin used to do in order to eliminate dissenters to Communism:
“While the waves of repression that rolled across Ukraine in the early 1930s were mainly directed against Ukrainians, the Great Purge of 1937-38 encompassed the entire Soviet Union and all categories of people. Its goal was to sweep away all of Stalin’s real and imaginary enemies and to infuse all levels of Soviet society, especially upper echelons, with a sense of insecurity and abject dependence on and obedience to the “Great Leader.”
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 2:52pmYour point is taken but Stalin was acting upon the precident set for him by Lenin to ““Strengthen the Dictatorship of the Proletariat” the minority (Bolshevics) were taking on the majority (Kulaks, Cossacks, White Army, peasants and Mensheviks) at that time.
I would argue that the police are simply trying to protect the majority citizenry from the in appropriate actions of the minority, the “Dictatorship of the OWS”. So the situation at present is reversed from your example.
Report Post »pahalik
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 5:32pm@axelphantom -“I would argue that the police are simply trying to protect the majority citizenry from the in appropriate actions of the minority”
Serious? You don’t think the police were there simply following orders? You actually believe they were there to “protect” citizens who were not present and were in no immediate danger? They, the police, couldn’t be there to maintain CONTROL and possibly protect corporate property could they?
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:53amWhat else would you expect the chief to say though?…….they tossed a flash-bang grenade on top of a obviously-wounded Iraq war veteran, so they somehow have to find a way to justify it….
It’s no different than the SWAT raid in Arizona this past May in which an Iraq war veteran was shot 71 times inside his own house…..the sheriff defended the use of force in that case too:
“Murder of U.S. Marine: SWAT Raid Video From Helmet Cam”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwSv9gH5sbg
I mean….what else can you say?…. You don’t expect them to admit that they were wrong, do you?
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 12:04pmWhat were they wrong about. They spent 20 minutes telling the protesters they had to leave while the protesters yelled “F U. We’re not going anywhere!!!!!!”. Then they started throwing rocks, bottles and paint at the police officers. Should the police have done nothing?
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 6:12pmThey only him 22 time, they fired 77 rounds….doesn’t sound ;ike the swat team had enough training. Thats some piss poor shooting. But, yes it is an example of the cops using extreme force in serving a warrant. What ever happened to knocking on the door to serve warrants? All they had to do was watched all exits…..The cops will shoot you and maybe feel bad later, they rarely get punished for it.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on October 30, 2011 at 10:52amWhat were they wrong about? How about using excessive force? Yes my blinded friend, cops KNOW that hitting someone at that distance is potentially lethal and they also KNOW they can get away with a slap on the wrist. Look at the video again. Love him or hate him, he was standing still. The crowd had already moved back so there were very few people in his immediate vicinity. The hit was directly aimed straight at him, not upward as it was suppose to be to lob the grenade. Then the flashbangs were tossed when people came to help.
Lord help us if we ever find ourselves in that situation. Standing up for what we believe in and having to face down cops when others around us have done stupid things. They will aim at the non moving targets.. so run like rabbits back to the hole and kiss your freedom good-bye.
Police have right and a duty to protect themselves and others. But they have a duty to follow the rules of engagement as well. They were allowed to do here what Marines are not allowed to do in war. Go figure. It’s not alright to do it to enemy combatants but sureee.. do it to the American citizens. No problem there.. Right?
Report Post »drago
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:45amYep, Jordans investigation will determine the officers shot directly at Olsen, when mostlikely Olsen was drunk or high and fell and hit his head on the street or curb. The true facts will never come to light over this, and some police officer/s will be thrown under the bus……
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:45amWhat are they whining about? These Commies love their heroes like Mao, Stalin, or Guevara. The same heroes that killed millions of people in the name of Socialism & Communism. So why cry about a few rubber bullets or flash-bangs.
Report Post »Christian4ever
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:44amYeah I don’t think you blame the police for this nonsense. This video I think explains who is partly if not fully responsible for the garbage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRL2LdFLdVI
There is no comparison between the occupy protesters and the tea party.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:40amThe left will use this unhappy ex-Marine (I hesitate to use the proper term “former”) just as they used Cindy Sheehan to advance their cause.
The left instinctively hates the Military and it’s members until they can use them to further a cause.
Report Post »snrar
Posted on October 29, 2011 at 11:39amWhy in the world would they listen to the 1% Michael Moore ? , After the mayor of Oakland threw the police under the bus now the chief is and his troops are standing alone .
Report Post »britlynz
Posted on October 31, 2011 at 1:23amThe protesters are clueless. They fail to understand the cops stand between them and people who are more than willing to protect their own property. Whether it’s club wielding men in pickup trucks protecting public property, or hired guns protecting a rich mans estate, an attempt is always made to violently protect property if necessary.
The fact is, the cops are all that stand between us and civil war.
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