Obama and National Security Team Oppose NDAA ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill
- Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:25pm by
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(The Blaze/AP) — President Barack Obama has personally appealed to lawmakers for changes in a sweeping defense bill that would mandate military custody for some captured terrorism suspects, saying he needs greater flexibility to prosecute the war on terror, administration and congressional officials said Friday.
(Related: Does the “indefinite detention” bill mean bad news for U.S. citizens?)
The president has led a full-court press this week by his senior national security team, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and FBI Director Robert Mueller, in asking for revisions to the bill as House and Senate negotiators move swiftly to complete a final version. The White House has threatened a veto of the legislation over provisions requiring military custody for captured terrorism suspects as well as other restrictions on executive authority.
Obama spoke to Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich. Clinton and Panetta also spoke to Levin, and Mueller has met with Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private conservations.
The escalating fight between the White House and Congress reflects the politically charged dispute over whether to treat suspected terrorists as prisoners of war or criminals.
The administration insists that the military, law enforcement and intelligence agents need flexibility in prosecuting the war on terror. Obama has pointed to his administration’s successes in eliminating Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida figure Anwar al-Awlaki. Republicans counter that their efforts are necessary to respond to an evolving, post-Sept. 11 threat, and that Obama has failed to produce a consistent policy on handling terror suspects.
The Senate bill would require that the military take custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States, with an exemption for U.S. citizens. The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the military’s authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody, but the administration argues that is insufficient.
“We want to work with the Senate to ensure our counterterrorism professionals have the tools and flexibility they need to keep America safe,” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Friday.
As negotiators have raced to finish the bill, administration officials have offered various changes to the provisions but have had little success in persuading lawmakers. One potential change was to limit the cases in which the military custody provision would apply.
The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation’s borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention.
The administration also is seeking changes to potential sanctions on Iran, penalties that the Senate passed on a 100-0 vote last week.
The bill would go after foreign financial institutions that do business with Iran’s central bank by barring them from opening or maintaining correspondent operations in the United States. It would apply to foreign central banks only for transactions that involve the sale or purchase of petroleum or petroleum products.
The petroleum penalties would only apply if the president, in six months, determines there is a sufficient alternative supply and if the country with jurisdiction over the financial institution has not significantly reduced its purchases of Iranian oil. It also allows the president to waive the penalties based on national security.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, in a Dec. 1 letter to senators, said the administration opposed the measure in its current form because it would undermine its effort to bring international pressure on Iran. He also warned that the penalties could actually boost oil prices and benefit Iran financially.
“Iran’s greatest economic resource is its oil exports,” Geithner wrote. “Sales of crude oil line the regime’s pockets, sustain its human rights abuses and feed its nuclear ambitions like no other sector of the Iranian economy.”
The administration is seeking both substantive and technical changes, including delaying implementation of all the penalties for six months.
Overall, the Senate bill would authorize money for military personnel, weapons systems, national security programs in the Energy Department, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1. Reflecting a period of austerity and a winding down of decade-old conflicts, the bill is $27 billion less than President Barack Obama requested and $43 billion less than Congress gave the Pentagon this year.
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Mary Just
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:40pmWhat a surprise that those crexps McCain and Lindsay Graham are behind this bill. These people have always been enemies and traitors of US citizens
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
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ZengaPA65
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:36pmThey can see your IP too. Flexible means including you.
Report Post »Mary Just
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:53pmIt is time to put your fear away and stand up for what you believe in
In times of universal deceit all one has to do is to speak the truth to be considered a criminal
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:51pmobama is trying to distance himself from something that is part of his entire plan for ‘fundamental’ change. He hates America. And he has told the entire world repeatedly for the last three years. He’d sign it the second it hits his desk.
Report Post »ButResistWeMuch
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:57pm@causeforliberty..I googled my username for this site and it only brought me to a list of my posts.. Not my name, whew! Here‘s what I do so that my name isn’t associated with my email: I don’t put my last name in my email account settings..I just put another word in there. This is also good to do when replying to an email which you’d rather not disclose your last name, say, a Craigslist inquiry.
Report Post »Thanks for warning us, friend!
Hossua
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 5:04pmIs that a threat? Like it is that hard to figure out who someone is if they aren’t trying actively to defeat such attempts. If you are afraid to speak out and have the world know who is speaking we have already lost.
Report Post »recoveringneocon
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 7:59pmYes, and do you remember Glenn telling us about Google. Hmmm and now they are posting everything online. Really makes you wonder. Glenn are you out there?????
Report Post »Jenasus
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:26pm2012 is suppose to be the “Age of Enlightenment” but I believe our governmen,t that is controlled by the globalists, want to make 2012 the “Age of Enslavement” Prepare For “The Freedom War” that is brewing in America. World Warriors, Freedom Fighters and others like them UNITE to protect our rights of FREEDOM.
Report Post »Maxim Crux
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:15pmHe wants the ability to arrest everyone without warrant and trial on this blog extended to Homeland Security, ATF, DOJ and FBI. That will create the civilian national police force that he wants
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:29pmHe is just afraid he will be one of the prison residents in ten tears when all of his people are out of power and someone starts fixing everything he breaks.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:36pmThis NDAA Is America’s Death Knell.
The fact that our Congress, the people we elect to represent us in this thing we call a Democracy have betrayed us and plunged a dagger into our backs. Even if this never becomes law, it no longer matters. Every one of us who belongs to TEA, legally own guns, have a 7 day supply of food, or have missing fingers and who knows what else, can now be considered Domestic Terrorists. Just like in China or Russia, any one of us can be picked up on the street without cause, hearing or indictment and shipped off to a concentration camp. My Senators voted for this NDAA knowing what was in it, and never attempted to remove these clauses.
Congress has declared war on the American people and remember that the US Constitution (what is left of it) does not state what a Declaration of War must say.
There are several empty homes in my neighborhood. Did the owners get evicted or did Homeland Security arrest them and ship them to a FEMA camp on a box car or trailer truck.
May God guide us. Only TEA can save us now.
Report Post »REPUBLICforwhichitstands
Posted on December 15, 2011 at 10:33amthis “THING” is a REPUBLIC!!!
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
Report Post »Latter-Day-Soldier
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:11pmThis is JUST wonderful…I raise my right hand (I have several times already) to defend this country from all enemies foreign and domestic….now I may be looked at as an enemy of the state because I am a veteran, believe in the sanctity of life and especially in the right to bear arms. Yet the “people of interest” (as I see them) are in the White House…yet no one says anything about the camel as it is kicking everyone out of the tent!
Report Post »Will anyone even be surprised (or even care) when the White House “announces” it’s intent to begin mass arrests of people who are “politically unreliable”?
barber2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:59pmHmmmm. A bill with “restrictions on executive authority?” Don’t think the president will go for this. This is a man who has planned his presidential campaign on “running against congress/ blaming them .” This is a president who appoints czars to work around congressional control. This is a president whose supporters are also waging a war against the Supreme Court ( planning to Occupy the Courts on January 20 ) over the Citizens United decision ( unions do NOT like corporations ). This is a president who seeks more regulations over the banking industry. This is a president who wants to keep the Gitmo guys in the hands of his DOJ , not military tribunals. This is a president who has a strange “interpretation” of the Constitution and its Balance of Power ! This is a president ???
Report Post »mad_hatter_
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:10pmThis guy knows nothing on National Security or Foreign affairs. He says that he is great on National Security because our SEAL team took out bin Laden. All he had to do was say a three letter word, “Yes” when asked if they should attack. Now he is playing the bin Laden card: http://www.americanparchment.com/video/2011/dec/obama_binladen_card.html
This guy is an idiot if that is the best he can come up with.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:23pm1) Congress was dems when he was elected. 2) Obama didn’t start the czar nonsense, even georgie2 had a bunch. 3) Corporations are not people,saying they are gives the wealthy owners 2 votes. 4) Banks NEED more oversight, especially the Fed bank. 5) The Gitmo thing I’m not sure of.
If people actually read what the president is threatening to veto, its the part where American citizens, on American property, can be arrested and detained without warrants, just on the suspicion of being/helping terrorists, for as long as the government wants to hold them, without access to a court of law. It would wipe out the 4th ammendment completely. Also, look up what may be considered suspicious to the government…storing too much food, too many guns, private water supply etc…
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:53pmEX: I am more concerned with the anarchistic behavior of Obama’s Far Left and the core Occupiers than other Americans. I am very wary of protecting their rights for the destruction of “our capitalist system” which they call greed and seek to “change.“ Anarchists consider ”revolutions “ as acceptable ”change.” Especially under an administration who views civilian/ soldiers who wish to destroy our country as mere “criminals.” Would they view Marxist anarchists as guilty of a minor offense like jaywalking?
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:16pm“…White House has threatened a veto of the legislation over provisions requiring… restrictions on executive authority…” is the way that sentence was originally thought before revision to lighten its impact.
Report Post »The Turd wants uncontested control over every person in this country, then the world, and is being given it on a silver platter- and there’s not a whimper coming from the people.
THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:46pmThis story is absolutely a hack piece…In one paragraph it states American citizens are exempt and than doen below tgat they OPENLY ADMIT this will affect ALL of us American citezens…The mask has come off!!! Obamma is openly demanding complete authority and usurping the Constitution and murdering our God given rights!!! The war HAS BEGUN!! GET READY…
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:57pmMy fellow Americans..do not be distracted with this talk of Iran and oil, it is a red herring, they only added it to add more murkiness to this unconstitutional bill…keep your eyes on the fscts! The facts are that they are counting on the sheeple being distracted enough to ram this through.
Report Post »Refusetobesilent
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:07pmIsn‘t this what the Nazi’s did in the 1930′s?? We are in serious trouble my friends. These people have no reguard nor interest in the constitution, in fact it does nothing more then get into their way. We cannot let this bill get passed…………….they will tag ANYBODY that is opposed or speaks out as a national threat and lock you up!! FOREVER!! What have we become?? They should lock themselves up FOREVER for killing Gadhafi and letting the al qaeda rebels take over down there and run the show. That to me is an act of terrorism and a national security risk that didn’t need to happen.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:34pmThe Gestapo is in place. It’s the Obama followers…
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:39pmBAD: Yes. The Human Mic/ Shout Down Goons remind me o/ the ” 1%.” Very nasty rhetoric I have NEVER heard out of the mouth of a president. More like a KKK fanatic.
Report Post »jacks
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:48pmDidn’t this kind of bill happened about 75 years ago in Germany? To find out, your going to have to look up old history books for the answer..The answer is Yes.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:50pmAnd as now it came in first appearing one way, then another and finally, like with us, the nightmare came reality.
Report Post »christianUSA
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:28pmOpinion: this bill st-inks of hidden tricks: Write, call, email your congressmen now stop this!
Report Post »stop think that 2012 election of establishment old guard republicans who voted for this will magically change everything! Its later then you think! Listen or read about this 2012 NDAA bill about detain US citizens, letting regular military operate on US soil, undefined war and duration and other oddities! Do not trust or count on veto!
christianUSA
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:25pmOpinion: this bill stinks of hidden rat tricks: Write, call, email your congressmen now stop this!
Report Post »stop think that 2012 election of establishment old guard republicans who voted for this will magically change everything! Its later then you think! Listen or read about this 2012 NDAA bill about detain US citizens, letting regular military operate on US soil, undefined war and duration and other oddities! Do not trust or count on veto!
LibertyBlossom
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:22pm“…..the penalties could actually boost oil prices and benefit Iran financially.”
Report Post »Economically speaking, couldn’t we destroy Iran by simply drilling our own oil? An influx of supply would likely crush oil prices giving us and our allies some serious leverage. Cheap oil, energy independence and jobs for us, cleaner drilling practices for the environment and less money for the Iranian regime. win-win-win. Too simple?
poverty.sucks
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:30pmThe Unites States Government is a Global Oil Distributor, Retail prices will remain high.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:32pmAye, too simple. These lunkheads we have in Washington would never consider it a valid plan, it is less complex than the Communist Manifesto and actually does something beneficial for the US.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:20pm“greater flexibility to prosecute the war on terror” simply means no detention for Islamic Muslims.
Report Post »randy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:30pmEXACTLY and Tea Party Members detained by the white house.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:32pmagree. They want to deal with these terrorists as “criminals,” not enemy combatants / soldiers. They want criminal trials/ DOJ style. Sort of like calling Kamikaze pilots “criminal pilots.” The Obama Democrats and their International Left ( who are staging rebellions all over the globe ) possibly to protect their Occupier Anarchist Wing, have a tendency to not call a rose a rose. Any group determined to destroy ” the system/ i.e. the country,” used to be considered a traitor. Think Obama wants to have more power to revisit these definitions. And the way these cases are handled. Obama has a law/ community organizer background.
Report Post »Charybdis
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:19pmI’m still waiting for the article writers here to actually read this bill. Both sections 1031 and 1032 specifically exempt U.S. citizens. Yet they continue to spout this talking-point from the Salon article. I‘m growing increasingly skeptical of the ability of this site’s writers and many of the commentors here to actually engage in reading comprehension of their own and think for themselves.
And if you’re so worried about it, then don’t make it so easy to be confused with an al Queda terrorist. I realize that’s a hard thing for Paul-bots to do, since they sound borderline treasonous every time they talk foreign policy. But that’s their problem.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:24pmThe Blaze is an information processing center. There’s an interesting pattern, method to their madness.
Report Post »blackstone22
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:08pmYou need to read more carefully. In the sixth paragraph the writer states that the Senate bill has an exemption for U. S. citizens.
Report Post »It is the Obama administration ( in the ninth paragraph) that wants to remove the U.S. citizen exemption.
The Blaze rocks. Get your facts straight.
phillipwgirard
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:18pmI don’t know which candidate I want anymore, definitely not 0bama, but it seems to be getting harder to choose, they all have some good points, but none seem willing to go the distance. I‘ll keep reading your posts and get the best info here from you as the people are better than the media as far as I’m concerned.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:22pmRon Paul will abolish the unconstitutional TSA and end the fake War on Drugs, pardoning all non-violent drug offenders currently in prison.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:37pmYou can thank the Tea Party for turning the Republican Party into a clown show.
Report Post »P-51D
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 9:09amPHILLIPWGIRARD,
Report Post »If you are having a hard time deciding, go to infowars.com to get the truth on all of the candidates. Alex Jones gives you the truth in the news. He is a true patriot, and like most of us here will fight for our REPUBLIC with his last breath.
Shasta
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:07pmWhen I saw the headline, I thought the impossible, that Obummer may be keeping a campaign promise to reverse the attacks on our liberty from things like the Patriot Act. Then I see he is against these changes only because he wants more power for himself. It is a terrible law, and OBonzo is a terrible president, but at least the world makes sense again. Once a Marxist, always a Marxist,.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:19pm“The White House has threatened a veto of the legislation over …other restrictions on executive authority.”
What this really says is that the reason he threatened a veto is because he already believes he has executive authority to assassinate, detain indefinitely, or torture American citizens without any congressional approval.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:24pm@ V MAN MACE, saw your youtube video, posted yest, your my new hero, keep on!!!
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:07pmSo he vetoed it UNTIL some changes were made. The change he wants is that it doesn’t take ANY power from him, THAT’S ALL! next time around the change would have been made and he will sign it. My opinion only,Phil
Report Post »JDF10487
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:04pmObama may have realized how badly this could backfire on him should he be voted out of office in the next election.
Report Post »Phreqguru
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:53pmthis just kills me…”The petroleum penalties would only apply if the president, in six months, determines there is a sufficient alternative supply and if the country with jurisdiction over the financial institution has not significantly reduced its purchases of Iranian oil. It also allows the president to waive the penalties based on national security.” Of course he has another source…South America where he gives them our tax dollars to develop their oil exploration and drilling.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:55pmFellow Marxists come first….
Report Post »barber2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:02pmSouth America where Soros has invested millions in Petrogas.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:51pmThe administration insists that the military, law enforcement and intelligence agents need flexibility in prosecuting the war on terror. Obama has pointed to his administration’s successes in eliminating Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida figure Anwar al-Awlaki.
So translation is……… WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BLOW AMERICAN”S HEADS OFF WITH DRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wake up America. Hitler is at the helm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:04pmMaybe he is afraid that one day he will in indefinately detained.
Report Post »Ron Paul Revolution 2012
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:49pmLiberal or Conservative, if you don‘t find this legislation unconstitutional you’re better off dead.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:54pmI want a PAUL/BACHMANN or BACHMANN/PAUL ticket!
Report Post »LibertyBlossom
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:30pmObama’s already targeted and assassinated an american citizen with any due process, and he’s stated he needed a strong homeland force (brown-shirts), do you really expect to see any constitutionality from this administration? Only when it serves their purposes will you see any defense the constitution. We really do need a Ron Paul Revolution.
Report Post »Ron Paul Revolution 2012
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:45pmConservative or Liberal, if you don’t think this legislation is unconstitutional.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:54pmI do not understand your use of a double negative, Were you educated in a Public school? Of course it is unconstitutional, but does that matter anymore? Hell no it does not as far as the legislators are concerned. We are screwed.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:42pmIsn’t ironic that the man I most dislike may be the man who prevents this gross violation of the US Constitution?
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:50pmBUT…He is the one that wants the power to do this…
Report Post »Ron Paul Revolution 2012
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:50pmIronic indeed. I agree with you though.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:07pmBut WHY?
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:08pmNo, he is all for this violation of our constitution, he just wants the power in his hands.
Report Post »Wdawg
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:41pmOur Remote Wars Are Hitting Home — America’s wars may be fought in distant countries, but they’ve weakened our military, drained our treasury, and eroded our freedoms.
Ron Paul 2012!!!!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:49pmWelcome to the “war on terror” and the horrors we libertarians warned you about back in 2001 when most GOP’ers were humping each others legs in ecstasy over the Patriot act.
Here you go gang. Told you that once you let the genie out of the bottle, you’ll never get him back in. Next time, think with logic, reason and objective analysis and stop thinking with emotions like the left does.
Not picking on you folks, honestly, but I do want you to understand exactly how this came about – with laws y’all were cheering and applauding 10 years ago. Learn from it.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:23pmPlease, pat yourself on the back some more.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:32pm“Obama spoke to Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich. Clinton and Panetta also spoke to Levin, and Mueller has met with Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private conservations.”
Wow I didn’t know you could get so many “losers” in one paragraph … although I don’t know Kelly Ayotte .. but considering the rest .. it is not a group I would want my name included in.
TEA!
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:31pmNO AMERICAN should be scooped up under an ever changing description of “terrorism” and held with charge. This is America, we have laws and a constitution. Period.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:39pm“The legislation also would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens seized within the nation’s borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention.”
This legislation, if it passes, would be so friggin‘ unconstitutional that the Founding Fathers may well resurrect just to kick the GOP’s asses (they are the ones pushing this, gang, and hawk democrats).
It would also be the go signal for actual resistance against what would be an occupying, illegal force aka Congress/Executive branch, who will have branded themselves outlaws once and for all, in no uncertain terms.
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